Once again the embarrassment and chief.. can't just be a world leader He has to bet the ONE leader


Trump’s sudden decision not to visit the American cemetery outside Paris at Belleau Wood, site of one of the most horrific battles of World War I in which around 1,800 Americans gave their lives. The White House blamed his absence on a terrible, but it turned out non-existent, rainstorm.


Arc de Triomphe in his own mini-motorcade, separated from the other heads of state who marched, arm-in-arm, up a heavily-policed Champs-Elysées. (This decision was due to security concerns, according to the White House.) The only other leader not to march with the rest? Vladimir Putin.


got a thumbs up from Putin


Trump torches allies, threatens NATO pullout

"Nationalism is a betrayal of patriotism," Macron said at a gathering of world leaders, including Russian President Vladimir Putin, German Chancellor Angela Merkel and Trump. “Nationalism is a betrayal of patriotism by saying, ‘Our interest first, who cares about the others?’ "


MAGA by losing one ally at a time ....

"Nationalism is a betrayal of patriotism," Macron said at a gathering of world leaders, including Russian President Vladimir Putin, German Chancellor Angela Merkel and Trump. “Nationalism is a betrayal of patriotism by saying, ‘Our interest first, who cares about the others?’ "


....

this is incredibly stupid :kewl:

It’s the reason I am not fishing right now.
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this is incredibly stupid :kewl:


It is.

I saw something yesterday, a couple posts by a couple people smarter than me, that hit on a few points. A politician (Macron) is going to Politik.

But maybe Nationalism is different in other countries where the culture is pretty homogeneous. You know the French are mostly French, 'cept when they've been invaded (from Germany you Dog Whistle Hearers). The Germans thinking the German race is the master race, etc.

But with America we celebrate shared ideals. We are not French or Germans or Sri Lankans (except for those that want to divide us along those lines). Since as Americans we are a mix of all different things we try to bind along ideals like opportunity and liberty. That yes, Americans should move our interest and ideals first and be the inspiration for other people to do the same.

A little nationalism in our ideals, Freedom and Opportunity is a good thing. Ultra-nationalism based on skin color and ethnicity is what is dumb, and is, ya know, racist and fascist.

It is.

I saw something yesterday, a couple posts by a couple people smarter than me, that hit on a few points. A politician (Macron) is going to Politik.

But maybe Nationalism is different in other countries where the culture is pretty homogeneous. You know the French are mostly French, 'cept when they've been invaded (from Germany you Dog Whistle Hearers). The Germans thinking the German race is the master race, etc.

But with America we celebrate shared ideals. We are not French or Germans or Sri Lankans (except for those that want to divide us along those lines). Since as Americans we are a mix of all different things we try to bind along ideals like opportunity and liberty. That yes, Americans should move our interest and ideals first and be the inspiration for other people to do the same.

A little nationalism in our ideals, Freedom and Opportunity is a good thing. Ultra-nationalism based on skin color and ethnicity is what is dumb, and is, ya know, racist and fascist.

But over 10% of people residing in France are foreign born, Germany and the rest of Europe are similar.
Then you have Great Britain, and I'll let you tell the Irish, Welsh and Scots that they are the same as English.

Trump refused to go outside bc he was afraid of stormy.

hehe

Once again the embarrassment and chief.. can't just be a world leader He has to bet the ONE leader

When did Trump say or indicate that he is the only leader of the world? You have an extreme view.

Trump’s sudden decision not to visit the American cemetery outside Paris at Belleau Wood, site of one of the most horrific battles of World War I in which around 1,800 Americans gave their lives. The White House blamed his absence on a terrible, but it turned out non-existent, rainstorm.

Doesn't sound like his nationalism runs deep.

Arc de Triomphe in his own mini-motorcade, separated from the other heads of state who marched, arm-in-arm, up a heavily-policed Champs-Elysées. (This decision was due to security concerns, according to the White House.) The only other leader not to march with the rest? Vladimir Putin.

What the H was he afraid of. Just because we are told that the Europeans hate him way more than the other heads of state (who presumably also hate him), there should be no security concerns.

got a thumbs up from Putin

Oh . . . the horror!

Trump torches allies,

That's another extreme statement.

threatens NATO pullout

Has he pulled out? You trying to scare us? Sounds like fear tactics--Trump torches and threatens.

"Nationalism is a betrayal of patriotism," Macron said at a gathering of world leaders, including Russian President Vladimir Putin, German Chancellor Angela Merkel and Trump. “Nationalism is a betrayal of patriotism by saying, ‘Our interest first, who cares about the others?’ "

Did Trump say we shouldn't care about the others? Another extreme statement . . . or lie.

MAGA by losing one ally at a time ....

Which ally have we lost?

Trump doesn’t read, I wonder who told him Germany was involved in WWI?
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President Donald Trump lashed out over his recent trip to Paris in a series of tweets Tuesday, blaming the Secret Service for his cancelled visit to a cemetery for fallen U.S. soldiers in France on Saturday. And tweeting make France great again what a solid guy
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That’s our commander in chief 👍🏿
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another from our butt hurt POTUS


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Emmanuel Macron suggests building its own army to protect Europe against the U.S., China and Russia. But it was Germany in World Wars One & Two - How did that work out for France? They were starting to learn German in Paris before the U.S. came along. Pay for NATO or not!

If that doesn’t make you smile...
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It is my understanding President Trump didn't even go the 5 miles to Arlington for Vet. day.

It is my understanding President Trump didn't even go the 5 miles to Arlington for Vet. day.
Seems like he’s getting tired of winning.
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He is a busy man
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He is a busy man
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Sounds like he spends most of his time in bed watching cable news.
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I didn’t hear that sound Jeff. Get some rest,you are getting sloppy.
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Sounds like he spends most of his time in bed watching cable news.
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What, your work day doesn't start at 11:30 after a morning of 'executive time' :hidin:??

What, your work day doesn't start at 11:30 after a morning of 'executive time' :hidin:??
Even then I'm not sure he does much. Doesn't like to be briefed, doesn't like to read, doesn't care to learn about history, can't take responsibility for anything and stomps his feet like a child when he doesn't get his way...

I have real concerns the administration is going from bad to worse quickly and Russia or China will move fast to take advantage of it.

Even then I'm not sure he does much. Doesn't like to be briefed, doesn't like to read, doesn't care to learn about history, can't take responsibility for anything and stomps his feet like a child when he doesn't get his way...

I have real concerns the administration is going from bad to worse quickly and Russia or China will move fast to take advantage of it.

When Kelley leaves, the wheels will really start to fall off. Mattis can't be far behind. This border deployment must really go up his ass...

You guys are all wrong. He is going to drain the swamp and only hire the best people.

It’s easy to mock what you don’t understand.
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It’s easy to mock what you don’t understand.
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Clearly, you do it daily here...

Even then I'm not sure he does much.

It's been reported that he has accomplished a good number of things as President. Probably stuff you don't like. So it's probably a bunch of lies.

Doesn't like to be briefed,

But he does it anyway.

doesn't like to read, doesn't care to learn about history,

https://www.usnews.com/news/slideshows/10-books-donald-trump-loves?slide=8 He probably didn't actually read these books. He probably just loves the covers.

can't take responsibility for anything and stomps his feet like a child when he doesn't get his way...

I have not heard about the foot stomping before. Good to know.

I have real concerns the administration is going from bad to worse quickly and Russia or China will move fast to take advantage of it.

You mean the Russians don't already own Trump?

Clearly, you do it daily here...

:laugha:

I will give you that,but #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^& is complex to more than just me.
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It’s easy to mock what you don’t understand.
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I don't need understanding to know that veteran's day desires special attention from our commander in chief, he spent more effort tweeting against the media then honoring our fallen; what am I not understanding?

I don't need understanding to know that veteran's day desires special attention from our commander in chief, he spent more effort tweeting against the media then honoring our fallen; what am I not understanding?

Come on Bob, DJT is playing 3D chess, the rest of us clearly don't understand what he is doing behind the scenes... (which definitely does not include watching hours of cable news, avoiding the press and most of his other obligations and basically cowering in the east wing suck-ng his thumb)

Come on Bob, DJT is playing 3D chess, the rest of us clearly don't understand what he is doing behind the scenes... (which definitely does not include watching hours of cable news, avoiding the press and most of his other obligations and basically cowering in the east wing suck-ng his thumb)

He is creating turmoil in ways that make him able to direct those close to him to play the market. The Iran oil embargo made that plainly obvious.
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Even then I'm not sure he does much. Doesn't like to be briefed, doesn't like to read, doesn't care to learn about history, can't take responsibility for anything and stomps his feet like a child when he doesn't get his way...


Walderman and Rubin's pieces in the WaPo today were interesting for sure...

You mean the Russians don't already own Trump?
I think the question of Russians laundering money through the Trump Organization and holding tremendous influence over the sitting POTUS is something that deserves a serious looking into, assuming Mueller doesn't already have the answers...and this isn't a partisan statement.

I think the question of Russians laundering money through the Trump Organization and holding tremendous influence over the sitting POTUS is something that deserves a serious looking into, assuming Mueller doesn't already have the answers...and this isn't a partisan statement.

Why in the hell does that "question" take so long to answer? It didn't take long to nail Manafort. Mueller didn't take that much time to indict a bunch of Russians--as meaningless as that was. Cohen was taken down pretty quick. It looks like Stone and Corsi will be indicted in short order.

It shouldn't take that much time to get someone as stupid, incompetent, shallow, unserious, careless, and so loaded with lies and corruption as you make Trump out to be. Were talking the FBI with a host of tricky, ravenous lawyers who have a record for bringing down their prey by any means necessary.

Why in the hell does that "question" take so long to answer? It didn't take long to nail Manafort. Mueller didn't take that much time to indict a bunch of Russians--as meaningless as that was. Cohen was taken down pretty quick. It looks like Stone and Corsi will be indicted in short order.

It shouldn't take that much time to get someone as stupid, incompetent, shallow, unserious, careless, and so loaded with lies and corruption as you make Trump out to be. Were talking the FBI with a host of tricky, ravenous lawyers who have a record for bringing down their prey by any means necessary.
This investigation seems to be going very quickly and is producing a lot of results compared to others of this importance.

This investigation seems to be going very quickly and is producing a lot of results compared to others of this importance.

Finally, some crystal clarity rather than the usual insinuations, peripheral maybes, accusations, name-calling, labeling, and murky suppositions.

someone as stupid, incompetent, shallow, unserious, careless, and so loaded with lies and corruption.

Finally something that makes sense, your starting to see the light!
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Finally something that makes sense, your starting to see the light!
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X2
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This investigation seems to be going very quickly and is producing a lot of results compared to others of this importance.

Are you going to make another prediction regarding this matter Jeff? You have a track record on things like this. Tell us what your insiders say.
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Finally something that makes sense, your starting to see the light!
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For someone who embraces seeing the light, it is a deceitful leap back into darkness for you to leave out the words between the period and the last word of my sentence which you quoted. :devil2:

For someone who embraces seeing the light, it is a deceitful leap back into darkness for you to leave out the words between the period and the last word of my sentence which you quoted. :devil2:
Back into darkness, oh goodness no, I was looking to lighten it up, this forum is dark enough as it is.
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Back into darkness, oh goodness no, I was looking to lighten it up, this forum is dark enough as it is.
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That's why I added the emoticon.

Are you going to make another prediction regarding this matter Jeff? You have a track record on things like this. Tell us what your insiders say.
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Is my track record based on reality or you reading Scott’s posts. What is my track record?
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It’s easy to mock what you don’t understand.
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Isn’t this Trump’s tagline?
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Is my track record based on reality or you reading Scott’s posts. What is my track record?
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Who is Scott? And what does he have to do with you making predictions that never come true?
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Isn’t this Trump’s tagline?
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Listening to his rallies it is funny.

"lock her up" for a woman who hasn't been arrested for anything when you are shouting it w/a Pres. under investigation and dozens of his staff arrested, indicted or under investigation

"drain the swamp" when you have cabinet members and people in the admin. who have lost their jobs for using their office to benefit from it.

What is the definition of mouth breather?

w/a Pres. under investigation and dozens of his staff arrested, indicted or under investigation



huh?

https://www.businessinsider.com/who-has-been-charged-in-russia-investigation-mueller-trump-2017-12

A performance of “Fiddler on the Roof” in Baltimore Wednesday night was marred by a man yelling “Heil Hitler, Heil Trump,” according to the Baltimore Sun.

A performance of “Fiddler on the Roof” in Baltimore Wednesday night was marred by a man yelling “Heil Hitler, Heil Trump,” according to the Baltimore Sun.

Her name was Michelle Obama.
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Her name was Michelle Obama.
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Hahahahaha!
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“Veterans Day often follows a hard-fought political campaign, an exercise in the free speech and self-government that you fought for. It often lays bare disagreements across our nation. But the American instinct has never been to find isolation in opposite corners. It is to find strength in our common creed, to forge unity from our great diversity, to sustain that strength and unity even when it is hard.

“It’s the example of the single most diverse institution in our country—soldiers, sailors, airmen, marines, and coastguardsmen who represent every corner of our country, every shade of humanity, immigrant and native-born, Christian, Muslim, Jew, and nonbeliever alike, all forged into common service.”
Barack Obama at Arlington, Veterans Day 2016

I suppose he could have stayed in the White House and sulked.

“Veterans Day often follows a hard-fought political campaign, an exercise in the free speech and self-government that you fought for. It often lays bare disagreements across our nation. But the American instinct has never been to find isolation in opposite corners. It is to find strength in our common creed, to forge unity from our great diversity, to sustain that strength and unity even when it is hard.

“It’s the example of the single most diverse institution in our country—soldiers, sailors, airmen, marines, and coastguardsmen who represent every corner of our country, every shade of humanity, immigrant and native-born, Christian, Muslim, Jew, and nonbeliever alike, all forged into common service.”
Barack Obama at Arlington, Veterans Day 2016

I suppose he could have stayed in the White House and sulked.

He regrets that he didn't go, and says he should have gone, but he reveals, contrary to the false notions created by various media. This is a very good interview with him by Chris Wallace. It covers a lot of things, including what HE means by fake news as opposed to what the media says he means:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=19&v=e9pPFpGoy5E

It is.

I saw something yesterday, a couple posts by a couple people smarter than me, that hit on a few points. A politician (Macron) is going to Politik.

But maybe Nationalism is different in other countries where the culture is pretty homogeneous. You know the French are mostly French, 'cept when they've been invaded (from Germany you Dog Whistle Hearers). The Germans thinking the German race is the master race, etc.

But with America we celebrate shared ideals. We are not French or Germans or Sri Lankans (except for those that want to divide us along those lines). Since as Americans we are a mix of all different things we try to bind along ideals like opportunity and liberty. That yes, Americans should move our interest and ideals first and be the inspiration for other people to do the same.

A little nationalism in our ideals, Freedom and Opportunity is a good thing. Ultra-nationalism based on skin color and ethnicity is what is dumb, and is, ya know, racist and fascist.

I don't think what you say here is a difficult concept to understand. Your idea of what is now being touted as an American nationalism is what Bannon refers to as American economic nationalism and what Trump refers to when he claims to be a nationalist.

But the anti-Trump media either can't, or won't recognize Trump's easy to understand version by insisting on another version promulgated by Mussolini and Hitler, in which nationalism has strong ingredients of racism, fascism. This insinuates that Trump is a fascist racist whatever. And I believe that they stubbornly refuse to recognize the version you speak of in order to intentionally cast Trump as a fascist racist. As I say, it is not at all difficult to understand your version, nor Trump's version which is virtually the same as yours. Which is why I think the media intentionally distorts the truth and is "fake" when it does so.

He regrets that he didn't go, and says he should have gone, but he reveals, contrary to the false notions created by various media. This is a very good interview with him by Chris Wallace. It covers a lot of things, including what HE means by fake news as opposed to what the media says he means:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=19&v=e9pPFpGoy5E
I don't have time to rebut all of Trumps false claims in this interview, he continually issues false statements or half-truths and claims that they are true.
Listen to this supposed Clinton supporter, who's given more to this country than Trump could ever think of
https://youtu.be/K5D6z0VSpEc

Fake news
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He regrets that he didn't go, and says he should have gone, but he reveals, contrary to the false notions created by various media. This is a very good interview with him by Chris Wallace. It covers a lot of things, including what HE means by fake news as opposed to what the media says he means:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=19&v=e9pPFpGoy5E
He regrets not going because of the bad press, not because it means anything to him personally.

As for the interview, he didn’t look good.
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I don't have time to rebut all of Trumps false claims in this interview

https://youtu.be/K5D6z0VSpEc

sure ya do...

go for it .

I don't have time to rebut all of Trumps false claims in this interview, he continually issues false statements or half-truths and claims that they are true.
Listen to this supposed Clinton supporter, who's given more to this country than Trump could ever think of
https://youtu.be/K5D6z0VSpEc
Not to mention disparaging such a respected and dedicated military hero. You have to wonder if he has any concept for patriotism, sacrifice, duty...
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I don't think what you say here is a difficult concept to understand. Your idea of what is now being touted as an American nationalism is what Bannon refers to as American economic nationalism and what Trump refers to when he claims to be a nationalist.

But the anti-Trump media either can't, or won't recognize Trump's easy to understand version by insisting on another version promulgated by Mussolini and Hitler, in which nationalism has strong ingredients of racism, fascism. This insinuates that Trump is a fascist racist whatever. And I believe that they stubbornly refuse to recognize the version you speak of in order to intentionally cast Trump as a fascist racist. As I say, it is not at all difficult to understand your version, nor Trump's version which is virtually the same as yours. Which is why I think the media intentionally distorts the truth and is "fake" when it does so.

He knows he's blowing a dogwhistle and you respond every time, like a good obedient Trump Nationalist.

He's not a narcissist at all: "I would give myself, I would -- look, I hate to do it, but I will do it. I would give myself an A-plus, is that enough? Can I go higher than that?"

And when the media doesn't concur, he then judges them fake

And then you have Real news written by a Real president consisting of halftruths, falsehoods and a remark that would be expected from a sixth grader :biglaugh:

So funny to see little Adam Schitt (D-CA) talking about the fact that Acting Attorney General Matt Whitaker was not approved by the Senate, but not mentioning the fact that Bob Mueller (who is highly conflicted) was not approved by the Senate!

Hopefully you can figure out the lack of truth in the tweet above, or perhaps in your's and Trump's America, Trumps claims outweigh the rule of law.

He knows he's blowing a dogwhistle



leftists need some new material...

Pres. Trump has said that he has made a lot of sacrifices.

Pres. Trump has said that he has made a lot of sacrifices.

Avoiding STD's was his Vietnam, after all... :nailem::nailem::nailem::nailem:

He knows he's blowing a dogwhistle and you respond every time, like a good obedient Trump Nationalist.

You could have said what I think you meant to say here without resulting to memes. And it's an idiotic meme. You don't need the notion of a dog whistle and me being a dog to say that I agree with much, not all, of what Trump means by nationalism. But if you had used plain, direct, non-symbolic, non-derogatory language, my agreement would have been perfectly rational and wouldn't have the negative connotations you wrap it in.

He's not a narcissist at all: "I would give myself, I would -- look, I hate to do it, but I will do it. I would give myself an A-plus, is that enough? Can I go higher than that?"

Why do you bring this up to me. I never said that he isn't a narcissist. I've said things like other Presidents being narcissists, even more so than Trump, but they were considered good or great Presidents anyway. No matter how important his narcissism is to you, your passionate concerns don't persuade me to care.

And when the media doesn't concur, he then judges them fake

I assume that he would know when the media says something about him that is not true. Fake is an operative word. Now, maybe the media in such cases is not false, just wrong. But he gets accused of lying when he is wrong. So I can see him giving their own chit back to them.

But I have pointed out egregious instances where media got it wrong, and did so intentionally, in my opinion. And those are just the tip of the iceberg of false or erroneous reportage that I have seen over a long period of time. "Conservatives," in general have been noticing this well before Trump. So we understand what Trump means. Not that he is always right.

And then you have Real news written by a Real president consisting of halftruths, falsehoods and a remark that would be expected from a sixth grader :biglaugh:

Yes, well, your ranting does resemble a kid who thinks he deserves the toy his mama won't buy for him. Not that it is so. Just sayin'

So funny to see little Adam Schitt (D-CA) talking about the fact that Acting Attorney General Matt Whitaker was not approved by the Senate, but not mentioning the fact that Bob Mueller (who is highly conflicted) was not approved by the Senate!

Hopefully you can figure out the lack of truth in the tweet above, or perhaps in your's and Trump's America, Trumps claims outweigh the rule of law.

I can figure out the truth in what he said. Perhaps you can figure out for me the lack of it. And why it matters so much to you.

And maybe you can tell me what my America is. I haven't been hiding it, but, perhaps I'm lying to myself . . . you know . . . like Trump and me do. I would be interested in your opinion. Then, maybe, you can get me to think like you.

Not to mention disparaging such a respected and dedicated military hero. You have to wonder if he has any concept for patriotism, sacrifice, duty...
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Bring back the respect that Obama displayed.

I hear that he bent over for the military,or something like that.
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Remember all the criticism Obama got for saluting one time with a coffee cup in his hand. The same people now seem to have lost their voice. Hippocrates.
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Remember all the criticism Obama got for saluting one time with a coffee cup in his hand. The same people now seem to have lost their voice. Hippocrates.
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What does this have to do with Ancient Greek medicine?
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Bring back the respect that Obama displayed.

I hear that he bent over for the military,or something like that.
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Did Obama disparage war heros? Please open up a little.
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But he gets accused of lying when he is wrong

There have been so many lies and probably a easily a hundred fold mistruths, that it's hard to tell them apart any longer. I'm sure if you google how many outright lies or mistruths Trump has made since he took office the count is considerably higher than the huge number that was reported after his first year in office. How many this week, I loose track, from claiming he talked to the head of state in Finland about cleaning the forests to beating up on a highly decorated serviceman over his supposed support of Hilary.

Just think for a minute how the media's reporting of him would change had he not made all those statements which proved false or if he didn't use his twitter account to show us how civil he can be towards those he sees as his enemy. He keeps throwing dozens of live bunker into a pool filled with bluefish and he wonders why there is a constant feeding frenzy; come on you present yourself as an intelligent man and yet you don't see this? I think the fishing parallel might get the point across better, after all it is a fishing website.

Side bar for all those claiming (Yeah I'm talking about you Donald and a few on this board) the stock market is the best it's ever been, if he had his wealth in stocks he'd be taking a worse beating than I am lately. I can't imagine what some are loosing, I'm at only a risk level of 3 on a 1-10 scale and my retirement is down 7% from a year ago.

There have been so many lies and probably a easily a hundred fold mistruths, that it's hard to tell them apart any longer. I'm sure if you google how many outright lies or mistruths Trump has made since he took office the count is considerably higher than the huge number that was reported after his first year in office. How many this week, I loose track, from claiming he talked to the head of state in Finland about cleaning the forests to beating up on a highly decorated serviceman over his supposed support of Hilary.

Just think for a minute how the media's reporting of him would change had he not made all those statements which proved false or if he didn't use his twitter account to show us how civil he can be towards those he sees as his enemy. He keeps throwing dozens of live bunker into a pool filled with bluefish and he wonders why there is a constant feeding frenzy; come on you present yourself as an intelligent man and yet you don't see this?

No, I see a lot of other things that you don't mention, and I don't see what are supposed to be hundreds of lies. I think I see some lies as well as a lot of truths and a host of gibberish. Perhaps I'm not intelligent.

I do care about other things that he's done that Hillary wouldn't have done. I am concerned with the constant and rapid Democrat shift toward socialism and hope that the Republican shift to the left can more easily be diminished than the Democrat shift can.

And I mostly care about preserving as much of what's left of our original constitutional form of government. Hope as well that the shift can actually be reversed. For me, Trump and the wobbly Republicans were by far the better choice. Trump's supposed lies seem rather innocuous in light of what was about to happen with a Hillary and the Democrats takeover of the federal government, especially to the Supreme Court.

If the Republican party can wither into a constitutional leaning Libertarian party to face off against the Dems, that would make me happy. For a while at least. In the meantime, I'll stick with the weak kneed and shifty Repubs.

I think the fishing parallel might get the point across better, after all it is a fishing website.

Side bar for all those claiming (Yeah I'm talking about you Donald and a few on this board) the stock market is the best it's ever been, if he had his wealth in stocks he'd be taking a worse beating than I am lately. I can't imagine what some are loosing, I'm at only a risk level of 3 on a 1-10 scale and my retirement is down 7% from a year ago.

The stock market has evolved into something separate from our actual market place. It seems to have become a market of its own. I have no trust in it. And when stocks began to skyrocket in value while the economy was stagnant or propped up by phony growth, even my lack of knowledge was telling me that stocks were becoming way over-priced, depending on nothing but Fed pumping and would eventually "correct" to some sane level. I suspect either that the level will be much lower than it is now, or the economy will have to be inflated to justify present stock values.

But that's just an ignorant guess. As I said above, I may not be intelligent.

Bush wasn't a "liar" or a white nationalist but "BUSH=Hitler and "BUSH Lied People Died" was a pretty common theme for the left and media narrative through the Bush years...

so no.....

Trump could be Jesus and the left and media would still portray him as a racist, misogynist, homophobic Nazi...because that's their narrative and they stick to it as demonstrated here daily

I recall the media and left telling us during the Clinton years that lying was OK, part of the human condition and almost essential for our survival....this was all backed up by academic studies...you know..."SCIENCE"...so I really don't know what the left is all worked up about with Trump

Ivanka Trump used personal email for White House business

are we going to hear daddy start yelling lock her up?

So many Trump apologist here ... Sorry for using The term apologist kinda of like the term snowflake used by the Right .. All but forgotten when where and why they used it..


A Trump administration official told CBS News that Ms Trump's emails did not contain classified information, and what had occurred was basically a lack of understanding of the rules.

we have been told this before .... it needs to be investigated

Ivanka Trump used personal email for White House business


A Trump administration official told CBS News that Ms Trump's emails did not contain classified information, and what had occurred was basically a lack of understanding of the rules.



yeah I'd give Ivanka a pass....she's only been in Washington for what ...2 years...?

hell...

Hillary was co-President for 8 years...a Senator, candidate for President...twice...and Secretary of State and we were constantly told that she was the "smartest woman in the world" and she couldn't figure it out...:hihi:

Who’s Hillary?
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Ivanka prob. didn't realize she shouldn't use her personal email.

LOCK HER UP :hihi:
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Ignorance isn't an excuse for either Hillary or Ivanka and certainly with all the attention Hillary's use of personal emails, no fing way Ivanka didn't know that was a no no. Powerful people tend to make their own rules, been that way for centuries.

and I don't see what are supposed to be hundreds of lies

You don't see the hundreds of lies or mistruths really, that just cracks me up, the Post recently had the number up over 3000, the New York Times had it well over 1000 just ahead of year one; but I know your going to just give us the party line it's all fake news. Or as you describe it, he's just "wrong", well I'm not all that comfortable supporting a president that is that wrong so many times. I'd have to count my fingers after shaking that man's hand.

You don't see the hundreds of lies or mistruths really, that just cracks me up, the Post recently had the number up over 3000, the New York Times had it well over 1000 just ahead of year one; but I know your going to just give us the party line it's all fake news. Or as you describe it, he's just "wrong", well I'm not all that comfortable supporting a president that is that wrong so many times. I'd have to count my fingers after shaking that man's hand.
I think it’s well over 7000 now.

His lying is problematic but what’s worse is his lack of concern for the truth. Trump just makes stuff up and doesn’t care like he’s holding court.
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Ignorance isn't an excuse for either Hillary or Ivanka and certainly with all the attention Hillary's use of personal emails, no fing way Ivanka didn't know that was a no no. Powerful people tend to make their own rules, been that way for centuries.

you know that this is from September 2017 right...Wayne is just catching up...:kewl:

I think it’s well over 7000 now.


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leads the league!!...WINNING!

the Post recently had the number up over 3000, the New York Times had it well over 1000 just ahead of year one; .

it's amusing that the fake newsies are keeping track

You don't see the hundreds of lies or mistruths really, that just cracks me up, the Post recently had the number up over 3000, the New York Times had it well over 1000 just ahead of year one; but I know your going to just give us the party line it's all fake news. Or as you describe it, he's just "wrong", well I'm not all that comfortable supporting a president that is that wrong so many times. I'd have to count my fingers after shaking that man's hand.

Do you have a count on how many times the NYT has lied or been wrong? How about yourself, how many times have you been wrong?
If Trump was wrong 100 times about policies, that would concern me.

Do you have a count on how many times the NYT has lied or been wrong? How about yourself, how many times have you been wrong?
If Trump was wrong 100 times about policies, that would concern me.

Not sure the jury is in yet on the success or failures of his policy decisions, those typically don't show either way for years. I'm sure you have already called them successes and while I'm in favor of some, many I see as bad long term decisions.

If Trump was wrong 100 times about policies, that would concern me.
That shouldn’t be hard to tally up.
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Trump tweets:
Of course we should have captured Osama Bin Laden long before we did. I pointed him out in my book just BEFORE the attack on the World Trade Center. President Clinton famously missed his shot. We paid Pakistan Billions of Dollars & they never told us he was living there. Fools!..

Now what the fool said in his book was:One day we’re told that a shadowy figure with no fixed address named Osama bin-Laden is public enemy number one, and U.S. jetfighters lay waste to his camp in Afghanistan. He escapes back under some rock, and a few news cycles later it’s on to a new enemy and new crisis …

And it is comical how the things Trump hates most, tie back to one night in 2011.

The whole issue of the hunt for bin Laden may be a sore subject for Trump because the final countdown for the operation took place during the 2011 White House Correspondents' Dinner when Obama roasted Trump mercilessly for his penchant for spreading conspiracy theories, such as the so-called "birther" conspiracy, which claimed that Obama wasn't an American citizen.

During a break from rehearsing that speech for the correspondents' dinner, Obama called McRaven for a final status check.
"What do you think about the intel?" Obama asked. The intelligence that bin Laden was living in Abbottabad was entirely circumstantial.
"Well, if he's there, we're going to get him. If he's not, we won't," McRaven answered.
"Exactly! It's 50-50," Obama said, according to reporting from my book about the hunt for bin Laden.
The president wrapped up the call, saying, "I couldn't have any more confidence in you than the confidence I have in you and your force. Godspeed to you and your forces. Please pass on to them my personal thanks for their service and the message that I personally will be following this mission very closely."
The bin Laden raid was, of course, a success. Not only was bin Laden killed, but also thousands of important documents about al Qaeda were recovered during the operation. As a result, it is arguably the most successful special operations mission in American history.

Not sure the jury is in yet on the success or failures of his policy decisions, those typically don't show either way for years. I'm sure you have already called them successes and while I'm in favor of some, many I see as bad long term decisions.

Then I guess I'll have to wait "for years" to make a judgment on Trump. But until we can get the numbers on how many times the NYT, the Wapost, Hillary, Bill, Bush, Reagan, Kennedy, Biden, LBJ, John Kerry, CNN, NBC, CBS, Fox, all the Dems, all the Repubs, etceteraaaaaaa, have lied or been wrong, yet still managed to convince the rest of us how good they are . . . until then I'm going to pass on the importance of Trump's numbers.

The fact that media are spending more time on stuff like counting how many times Trump, according to them, lied, exhibits for me some form of desperation. I'm guessing, if they listed each lie, that the vast majority would be either a stretch or unimportant.

Long before Trump, I have noticed "lies" by politicians, Press, editorials and opinion pieces that are biased, ignorant, wrong, false, on a daily basis. If there could be a compilation of how many times these occurred, the number would be staggering. And I'm not talking party lines here. What is essentially propaganda disguised as facts crosses party lines. Just about every political article posted on this forum can be critiqued by someone as wrong, biased, or dishonest.

I don't apologize for not recognizing our Press and media as being unerring sources of truth when it comes to political matters. On the contrary, I view them primarily as promoters of agendas. So, for me, the agenda is what matters. The Progressive agenda is anathema to me in terms of what I consider the fundamentals, the foundations, of freedom.

I understand the foundation of Progressivism and how, and why it's superficial understanding of human nature has emotionally and morally gripped so many in our wealthy, technologically advanced Western civilization.

But I believe that it leads to the very opposite of that on which this nation was founded. That is what concerns me, not the number of what those who have an agenda consider to be lies--especially if those "lies" don't amount to a hill of beans.

Did Obama disparage war heros? Please open up a little.
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Not to my knowledge Jeff. But as always, actions speak louder than words. More than half the troops surveyed gave an unfavorable evaluation to Obama.It is well chronicled in a book titled Conduct Unbecoming : How Barack Obama is Destroying Our Military and Endangering our Security.
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Not to my knowledge Jeff. But as always, actions speak louder than words. More than half the troops surveyed gave an unfavorable evaluation to Obama.It is well chronicled in a book titled Conduct Unbecoming : How Barack Obama is Destroying Our Military and Endangering our Security.
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Some guy wrote a book, it might be true.
Here's a contemporaneous article from Military Times and it is interesting to look at the things the rank and file was unhappy and happy about.

"President Barack Obama will step down after eight years as commander in chief with one of the most influential tenures leading the U.S. military, but not necessarily the political support of service members.

His moves to slim down the armed forces, move away from traditional military might and overhaul social policies prohibiting the service of minority groups have proven divisive in the ranks. His critics have accused him of trading a strong security posture for political points, and for allowing the rise of terrorists like the Islamic State group whom the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan were supposed to silence.

But Obama’s supporters define him as the Nobel Peace Prize winner who ordered the elimination of Osama bin Laden and refocused military strategy while wrestling with an uncooperative Congress and unprecedented budget restrictions. They insist the military is more nimble now, and more prepared to deal with unconventional warfare against non-traditional threats across the globe.

More than half of troops surveyed in the latest Military Times/Institute for Veterans and Military Families poll said they have an unfavorable opinion of Obama and his two-terms leading the military. About 36 percent said they approve of his job as commander in chief.

Their complaints include the president’s decision to decrease military personnel (71 percent think it should be higher), his moves to withdraw combat troops from Iraq (59 percent say it made America less safe) and his lack of focus on the biggest dangers facing America (64 percent say China represents a significant threat to the U.S.)

But more than two-thirds support Obama's mantra that securing America means building strong alliances with foreign powers. And more than 60 percent think his use of drones and special forces teams for precision strikes — instead of large-scale military operations — has helped U.S. national security.

That’s a conflicted response to a president who entered the White House vowing to end U.S. involvement in Iraq and Afghanistan but instead leaves as the first American president to oversee two full terms with combat troops deployed to hostile zones."

Thanks Pete for helping demonstrate my point.
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The stock market has evolved into something separate from our actual market place. It seems to have become a market of its own. I have no trust in it. And when stocks began to skyrocket in value while the economy was stagnant or propped up by phony growth, even my lack of knowledge was telling me that stocks were becoming way over-priced, depending on nothing but Fed pumping and would eventually "correct" to some sane level. I suspect either that the level will be much lower than it is now, or the economy will have to be inflated to justify present stock values.

But that's just an ignorant guess. As I said above, I may not be intelligent.

What is irritating to me is that Trump inherited a growing and pretty healthy economy, but with every bump in the stock market, he never once missed an opportunity if a mic was in front of him to take credit for the stock market rise. Now that it's lost over a year's worth of gains, now I'm down 8% after yesterday's continued down-slide, he isn't mentioning the stock market at all. He loves taking credit for what he hasn't controlled and he shuts his mouth (tough for him to do remember that) when it isn't going so good.

Thanks Pete for helping demonstrate my point.
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They did Trump too
https://www.militarytimes.com/news/pentagon-congress/2018/10/15/support-for-trump-is-fading-among-active-duty-troops-new-poll-shows/

What is irritating to me is that Trump inherited a growing and pretty healthy economy, but with every bump in the stock market, he never once missed an opportunity if a mic was in front of him to take credit for the stock market rise. Now that it's lost over a year's worth of gains, now I'm down 8% after yesterday's continued down-slide, he isn't mentioning the stock market at all. He loves taking credit for what he hasn't controlled and he shuts his mouth (tough for him to do remember that) when it isn't going so good.

It's not clear at all that the economy he inherited was growing or even healthy. I forget which thread I posted a video by an economist who explained charts of various economic indicators which showed the Obama economy was fairly stagnant after a slow improvement of the economy he inherited. And rather than growing, the indicators predicted a downward trend. And that there was a dramatic spike upward after Trump that could not be explained by trends that were developing before he came to office.

I'm no student of economics and am uncomfortable getting into its weeds. I don't know what a President can do to seriously affect the economy except via taxes and regulations. Whether anything Trump has done has helped the economy or not, it has steadily improved in dramatic ways after the tax and regulation cuts, rather than the few intermittent spikes which didn't last under Obama.

But anything can happen to crash the economy again. Presidents are in peril of being blamed for poor economies, not just praised for good ones.

The stock market, in my uneducated opinion, is even less under the thumb of the President. So, yes, Trump is foolish, if not stupid, to have taken credit for the high stock prices. And when they keep dropping he'll have serious egg on his face. And many think that a larger correction is due.

They did Trump too
https://www.militarytimes.com/news/pentagon-congress/2018/10/15/support-for-trump-is-fading-among-active-duty-troops-new-poll-shows/

Nothing too shocking there.
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Ignorance isn't an excuse for either Hillary or Ivanka and certainly with all the attention Hillary's use of personal emails, no fing way Ivanka didn't know that was a no no. Powerful people tend to make their own rules, been that way for centuries.

Perhaps this "scandal" is the product of more fake news:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/the-media-goes-mad-over-ivanka-emails/ar-BBQ1aHQ?ocid=spartanntp