The Big Con is starting to show it’s true effects, it must be someone else’s fault.
Get ready for the spin

The Big Con is starting to show it’s true effects, it must be someone else’s fault.
Get ready for the spin

so when one company has layoffs, that means that the federal
government has failed? what if it’s the company’s fault?

when solyndra
went under, did you post about how obama failed?
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so when one company has layoffs, that means that the federal
government has failed? what if it’s the company’s fault?

when solyndra
went under, did you post about how obama failed?
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its called taking the money AKA tax cut buy back stock then thin legacy costs (workers) MAGA

so when one company has layoffs, that means that the federal
government has failed? what if it’s the company’s fault?

when solyndra
went under, did you post about how obama failed?
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There’s the spin
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its called taking the money AKA tax cut buy back stock then thin legacy costs (workers) MAGA


Wait. I though the Previous CINC took the money and company and gave it to the workers? Ya know the means of production to the people??

The Big Con is starting to show it’s true effects, it must be someone else’s fault.
Get ready for the spin

Are you saying that the booming economy is not a true effect of what you call the Con? Are you predicting that the economy is starting to collapse?

Or are you spinning? I think so.

Are you saying that the booming economy is not a true effect of what you call the Con? Are you predicting that the economy is starting to collapse?

Or are you spinning? I think so.
Absolutely, Yes, No
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its called taking the money AKA tax cut buy back stock then thin legacy costs (workers) MAGA

please share the evidence that the tax cut had anything to do with this. maybe if not fornthevtax cut,
they would have had to lay-off more.

Newsflash- sometimes
companies fail, and it’s not always the fault of the sitting president.
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There’s the spin
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it’s only spin if it’s not actually true. Please provide some evidence, any evidence, that Trump caused this.

Trump has done stupid things, he has attacked Amazon, causing their shres to plummet. His tariff war has hurt people. These are facts, and he deserves criticism for these actions.

Tell us why he caused GM to cut production of cars that weren’t selling. I’m listening.
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Absolutely, Yes, No
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on what basis is the economy starting to collapse? GDP growth is solid, unemployment remains low. Companies still have cash and decent profits.

The market had a correction. it happens. Some of that is Trumps tariff wars, some is the fed raising rates.

The fundamentals are pretty solid. We’re due for a recession no doubt. But we’re not on the edge of collapse. The state of CT is on the verge of collapse ( thanks to 40 years of pure liberalism), not the US.
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please share the evidence that the tax cut had anything to do with this. maybe if not fornthevtax cut,
they would have had to lay-off more.

Newsflash- sometimes
companies fail, and it’s not always the fault of the sitting president.
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Again any blame towards Trump is due to his own comments and actions why do you need evidence Trump doesn't use evidence ..

the same people who elected him dont use facts ... they see it the same way "

I smell a rat! GM planned this all the time. They got that big corporate tax break and then screwed us! POTUS "


Amid criticism from President-elect Donald Trump in January 2017, General Motors announced plans to invest an additional $1 billion in manufacturing in the United States and said it would add or keep 7,000 jobs in the US — a decision it admitted was “years in the making.” Trump thanked the company at the time.


Now they are slashing 15 percent of its salaried workforce, a total of some 14,700 jobs....

He cant bully them Now to change course they already got the money

it’s only spin if it’s not actually true. Please provide some evidence, any evidence, that Trump caused this.

Trump has done stupid things, he has attacked Amazon, causing their shres to plummet. His tariff war has hurt people. These are facts, and he deserves criticism for these actions.

Tell us why he caused GM to cut production of cars that weren’t selling. I’m listening.
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Much like Trump’s claims that all that is good is his doing, the jobs GM added in 2017 were his of course but any loss is someone else’s fault
The standard Trump pattern
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s.

Tell us why he caused GM to cut production of cars that weren’t selling. I’m listening.

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obama didn't buy the chevy volt he promised to buy after he left office...probably because he couldn't get that big government rebate they were using to get people to buy them and so he couldn't afford one...

on what basis is the economy starting to collapse? GDP growth is solid, unemployment remains low. Companies still have cash and decent profits.

The market had a correction. it happens. Some of that is Trumps tariff wars, some is the fed raising rates.

The fundamentals are pretty solid. We’re due for a recession no doubt. But we’re not on the edge of collapse. The state of CT is on the verge of collapse ( thanks to 40 years of pure liberalism), not the US.
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The Democrats have the House
They will surely make things fail
Trump just spent three months saying that over and over at rally after rally and then he lost the election but that was because he wasn’t on the ballot
Keep believing all Trump brings is great
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Trump just spent three months saying that over and over at rally after rally and then he lost the election but that was because he wasn’t on the ballot

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huh?

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Originally Posted by Pete F. View Post

Trump just spent three months saying that over and over at rally after rally and then he lost the election but that was because he wasn’t on the ballot

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huh?

If you paid attention to what Trump says, you wouldn't have to go huh like a preteen boy.
He is the smartest guy, ask him, he did better than A+

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Originally Posted by Pete F. View Post

Trump just spent three months saying that over and over at rally after rally and then he lost the election but that was because he wasn’t on the ballot

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If you paid attention to what Trump says, you wouldn't have to go huh like a preteen boy.
He is the smartest guy, ask him, he did better than A+



what election did trump lose?

At a minimum the house
And if you look at votes cast, the Dems won by millions
Just a taste of things to come for the Trumplican party
Shortly you'll get to see what Trump is really panicking about
Even Dershowitz says he's f-d

Pete, you used to have coherent thoughts.
What happened that made you present these thoughts as a riddle?
Just asking for a friend.
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Seems to me that when you make #^&#^&#^&#^& cars that not everyone wants to own, you would have to close your factory.

They should have done a better job designing appealing designs that reflected the times we live in now. And made cars that would take you 250,000 miles without any major repair needs. Adapt or die.
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Much like Trump’s claims that all that is good is his doing, the jobs GM added in 2017 were his of course but any loss is someone else’s fault
The standard Trump pattern
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As usual, you didn’t answer my question. What is the evidence, that Trump caused GM to struggle?

Most fair minded people
give Trump credit, in a macro sense, for helping the economy. the tax cuts, the elimination of regulations, have helped. That doesn’t mean that every job created us because of him, though he will claim it is. Sure as hell, not every corporate failure is his fault.

You didn’t give him
any credit for the economy improving, but blame him for every bad thing. You can’t have it both ways.
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At a minimum the house
And if you look at votes cast, the Dems won by millions
Just a taste of things to come for the Trumplican party
Shortly you'll get to see what Trump is really panicking about
Even Dershowitz says he's f-d

i also think the democrats will do well in 2020. That doesn’t mean Trump sabotaged GMC. Still waiting for you to supportmyou claim, with any speck of evidence. Or admit you made it up?
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Seems to me that when you make #^&#^&#^&#^& cars that not everyone wants to own, you would have to close your factory.

They should have done a better job designing appealing designs that reflected the times we live in now. And made cars that would take you 250,000 miles without any major repair needs. Adapt or die.
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Bingo. The free market didnt like all of the products. That happens
every single day. Trump didn’t issue an executive order that they needed to make cars that no one wants.
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As usual, you didn’t answer my question. What is the evidence, that Trump caused GM to struggle?
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/29/business/automakers-tariffs-job-cuts.html
Most fair minded people
give Trump credit, in a macro sense, for helping the economy. the tax cuts, the elimination of regulations, have helped. That doesn’t mean that every job created us because of him, though he will claim it is. Sure as hell, not every corporate failure is his fault.

You didn’t give him
any credit for the economy improving, but blame him for every bad thing. You can’t have it both ways.
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As i have said many times, Trump gives himself plenty of credit for anything good that happens, including much of which he had no hand in. I'll let him give himself grades all he wants, he said it would be more than A+
Months ago, GM told him the tariffs were going to hurt their business, he had no comment. Trump has no clue what he is doing, there will be worse to come. Nothing happens immediately in big business.
It's his turn in the barrel now and they purposely are hitting him where it hurts his base. He's not good for their business.

GM, Sears, Polaroid, compac and others corporations which failed to adapt go the way of the dodo bird.
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As i have said many times, Trump gives himself plenty of credit for anything good that happens, including much of which he had no hand in. I'll let him give himself grades all he wants, he said it would be more than A+
Months ago, GM told him the tariffs were going to hurt their business, he had no comment. Trump has no clue what he is doing, there will be worse to come. Nothing happens immediately in big business.
It's his turn in the barrel now and they purposely are hitting him where it hurts his base. He's not good for their business.

Did you even read the article you posted? The article was written in June, about what "could" happen. How about what "did" happen?

GM is not going out of business. They are shutting down production of cars that people don't want. Tariffs did not shift consumer demand away from hybrids toward full batter-operated cars. Tariffs did not shift demand away from sedans to crossovers.

"Trump gives himself plenty of credit for anything good that happens, including much of which he had no hand in"

yes he does. He's an egomaniac. That doesn't mean that everything is his doing. Not all the good things, not all the bad things.

Pete, let's make this simple. If Trump's tariffs are responsible for people no longer wanting to buy the Chevy Impala, why didn't the tariffs curtail demand for the Silverado, which is GM's best-selling vehicle?

Please answer that question? Good luck!!

GM, Sears, Polaroid, compac and others corporations which failed to adapt go the way of the dodo bird.
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That's true. But GM isn't going away. They are concentrating on the vehicles that people want to buy.

Trump has no clue what he is doing, there will be worse to come. Nothing happens immediately in big business.
It's his turn in the barrel now and they purposely are hitting him where it hurts his base. He's not good for their business.

"Trump has no clue what he is doing"

Tell that to the blacks and Hispanics who are enjoying historically low unemployment. That happened after a few years of Trump, and after several years of a GOP-led congress. I know exactly how much you hate that fact. It's still a fact.

"He's not good for their business"

GDP has risen nicely. How come? Lemme guess, because of obama...

Did you even read the article you posted? The article was written in June, about what "could" happen. How about what "did" happen?

GM is not going out of business. They are shutting down production of cars that people don't want. Tariffs did not shift consumer demand away from hybrids toward full batter-operated cars. Tariffs did not shift demand away from sedans to crossovers.

"Trump gives himself plenty of credit for anything good that happens, including much of which he had no hand in"

yes he does. He's an egomaniac. That doesn't mean that everything is his doing. Not all the good things, not all the bad things.

Pete, let's make this simple. If Trump's tariffs are responsible for people no longer wanting to buy the Chevy Impala, why didn't the tariffs curtail demand for the Silverado, which is GM's best-selling vehicle?

Please answer that question? Good luck!!
Nobody said they were going out of business. They made a business decision with the hopes that it would wake him up, I'm sure there were a number of factors involved. Don't forget he's going to meet with Xi Jinping shortly and I guarantee you GM wants this #^&#^&#^&#^& over with.
The tariffs have made long range forecasting in most multinational industries scary at best, how do you make plans a year out if you don't know costs, the impact on your pricing and what will happen to the market you are in.
I might do 10% or 50% or some other number, we'll see.........
Maybe we will grant you a waiver.......

Figure that into your plan and explain it to your shareholders when you guess wrong.

Nobody said they were going out of business. They made a business decision with the hopes that it would wake him up, I'm sure there were a number of factors involved. Don't forget he's going to meet with Xi Jinping shortly and I guarantee you GM wants this #^&#^&#^&#^& over with.
The tariffs have made long range forecasting in most multinational industries scary at best, how do you make plans a year out if you don't know costs, the impact on your pricing and what will happen to the market you are in.
I might do 10% or 50% or some other number, we'll see.........
Maybe we will grant you a waiver.......

Figure that into your plan and explain it to your shareholders when you guess wrong.

"They made a business decision with the hopes that it would wake him up, I'm sure there were a number of factors involved"

How do you know that Trump had anything to do, with their decision to discontinue production of certain vehicles? Has that been published? Because what I read, is that they cut production of vehicles that weren't selling. I didn't see Trump mentioned. Are you on the Board of Directors?

The tariffs have a big downside, they could turn out to be a disaster (we don't know yet). What I've asked you several times, is how the tariffs are responsible for GM's announcement. And you refuse to answer. Again.

"They made a business decision with the hopes that it would wake him up, I'm sure there were a number of factors involved"

How do you know that Trump had anything to do, with their decision to discontinue production of certain vehicles? Has that been published? Because what I read, is that they cut production of vehicles that weren't selling. I didn't see Trump mentioned. Are you on the Board of Directors?

The tariffs have a big downside, they could turn out to be a disaster (we don't know yet). What I've asked you several times, is how the tariffs are responsible for GM's announcement. And you refuse to answer. Again.

Which ones did they kill?
Not Silverados, they cut the weakest part of their market, the cars most likely to be bought by consumers who can least afford an increase.

From that article: The “hardest hit” cars, General Motors said in comments submitted to the Commerce Department, are likely to be the ones bought by consumers who can least afford an increase. Demand would suffer and production would slow, all of which “could lead to a smaller G.M.”

Which ones did they kill?
Not Silverados, they cut the weakest part of their market, the cars most likely to be bought by consumers who can least afford an increase.

From that article: The “hardest hit” cars, General Motors said in comments submitted to the Commerce Department, are likely to be the ones bought by consumers who can least afford an increase. Demand would suffer and production would slow, all of which “could lead to a smaller G.M.”

they cut the cars that aren’t selling. if you have evidence that the reason they aren’t selling, is Trumps tariffs, how come you won’t share it?? Where is the evidence that the Impala isnt selling, because the tariffs made it too expensive? they also cut the Chevy Volt. Are poor people
buying the Volt? I doubt that very much.

You’re making it up.

The article was what “could”
happen, not what did happen.

they also cut the cadillac CT6 andnthe cadillac XTS. are these cars that poor people are buying?
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they cut the cars that aren’t selling. if you have evidence that the reason they aren’t selling, is Trumps tariffs, how come you won’t share it?? Where is the evidence that the Impala isnt selling, because the tariffs made it too expensive? they also cut the Chevy Volt. Are poor people
buying the Volt? I doubt that very much.

You’re making it up.

The article was what “could”
happen, not what did happen.

they also cut the cadillac CT6 andnthe cadillac XTS. are these cars that poor people are buying?
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What kind of "evidence" do you need
Do you think "poor" people are the bottom of their market?
Poor people don't buy cars, middle class people do and as car prices go up they price them out of the new car market.
Are you telling me the Volt, Cruze and Impala are high end cars?

What kind of "evidence" do you need
Do you think "poor" people are the bottom of their market?
Poor people don't buy cars, middle class people do and as car prices go up they price them out of the new car market.
Are you telling me the Volt, Cruze and Impala are high end cars?

The Silverado is a popular high selling middle class auto which is not being discontinued. The volt is not popular and Cadillacs straddle upper middle to "high end" status. And Cadillacs are not being discontinued, only two models are. It's mostly the lower end less selling models being cut.

What kind of "evidence" do you need
Do you think "poor" people are the bottom of their market?
Poor people don't buy cars, middle class people do and as car prices go up they price them out of the new car market.
Are you telling me the Volt, Cruze and Impala are high end cars?

average household income of Chevy Volt buyers: $175,000.

https://www.autoblog.com/2011/10/04/why-the-chevy-volt-is-attracting-wealthy-buyers/
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It's mostly the lower end less selling models being cut.



this makes no sense!!!!! car cuts for the rich!!

Are you telling me the Volt, Cruze and Impala are high end cars?

Volt starts at 33k Premier 38K

2019 Chevrolet Spark Starting At $13,220

Chevy Camaro $25,900

Chevy/ gmc still best, longest lasting, dependable truck out there ( though they do still have their usual inherent problems such as body rot)
Their cars suck.
But truck new prices are rediculous
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average household income of Chevy Volt buyers: $175,000.

https://www.autoblog.com/2011/10/04/why-the-chevy-volt-is-attracting-wealthy-buyers/
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GM is disenfranchising poor car buyers!

this makes no sense!!!!! car cuts for the rich!!

as i showed, average household income for Volt buyers is 175k, and the democrats passed. $7,000 tax credit for buying these cars ( i believe obama passed this credit?). who says democrats are opposed to tax cuts for the rich?
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Chevy/ gmc still best, longest lasting, dependable truck out there ( though they do still have their usual inherent problems such as body rot)
Their cars suck.
But truck new prices are rediculous
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we bought a new camper trailer last year, requiring me to get a new pickup. Both the trailer and the truck ( F150) are entry level, no frills versions. And i mean NO FRILLS. The truck was $17,000 more expensive than the camper, which i could happily live in. I was absolutely stunned at the price of the pickup, stunned.

but i needed the largest cab ( three kids back there), and i wanted 4WD for our winters, and when you insist on those two things, 40k is the absolute minimum. I was shocked.
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