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Jim in CT 12-04-2018, 07:29 PM Those deep thinkers at Slate are at it again. i’m sure i took it all out of context, or that there’s a Snopes piece which explains it all in some favorable light, or else it’s really all Trumps fault.
These people are consumed with hate. And they’re not considered the lunatic fringe by the left, are they?
They couldn’t handle the favorable ways that the nation is remembering Bush, she had to piss on the parade somehow.
liberal=good, conservative=bad, always, no exceptions, say all the bleating sheep. conservative b-a-a-a-a-a-a-d.
Newsweek said Bush was a wimp, the NYT said he had a mistress, now Slate says his service dog is a phony. Not even a little bit crazy, nope.
https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/george-h-w-bushs-service-dog-sully-isnt-a-democrat-or-republican-its-doggone-crazy-to-attack-him
Pete F. 12-04-2018, 07:58 PM Perhaps these articles are what set you and the attack dogs at State News off
I couldn’t find a dog story
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/12/trump-khashoggi-killing-lies.html
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.slate.com/business/2018/12/trumps-tariff-man-rant-nonsense-china-trade-talks.html
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.slate.com/technology/2018/12/central-european-university-hungary-technology-freedom.html
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Jim in CT 12-04-2018, 10:08 PM Perhaps these articles are what set you and the attack dogs at State News off
I couldn’t find a dog story
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/12/trump-khashoggi-killing-lies.html
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.slate.com/business/2018/12/trumps-tariff-man-rant-nonsense-china-trade-talks.html
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.slate.com/technology/2018/12/central-european-university-hungary-technology-freedom.html
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when obama gets a service dog, a designer poodle named Abu Mumia, a male dog which identifies as a female cat, lets see if Slate magazine has issues with it.
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wdmso 12-05-2018, 05:04 AM She wrote that dogs like to lie down – so there was no special significance to Sully doing so near the casket.
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But Sully is not a longtime Bush family pet, letting go of the only master he has known. He is an employee who served for less than six months.
It’s wonderful for Bush that he had a trained service animal like Sully available to him in his last months. It’s a good thing that the dog is moving on to another gig where he can be helpful to other people
wow thats some evil attack against Bush so much hate in the story so much for 2+2 = 4 again you should read the article not Fox's version ..
Service dogs are tool they are not pets.. i have no issue with the picture in front of the casket its touching .
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But conservative writer Dan McGlaughlin compared the dog to a Marine.
Now that goes to Far !!!!! LOL
RIROCKHOUND 12-05-2018, 05:26 AM Those deep thinkers at Slate are at it again. i’m sure i took it all out of context, or that there’s a Snopes piece which explains it all in some favorable light, or else it’s really all Trumps fault.
These people are consumed with hate. And they’re not considered the lunatic fringe by the left, are they?
They couldn’t handle the favorable ways that the nation is remembering Bush, she had to piss on the parade somehow.
liberal=good, conservative=bad, always, no exceptions, say all the bleating sheep. conservative b-a-a-a-a-a-a-d.
Newsweek said Bush was a wimp, the NYT said he had a mistress, now Slate says his service dog is a phony. Not even a little bit crazy, nope.
https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/george-h-w-bushs-service-dog-sully-isnt-a-democrat-or-republican-its-doggone-crazy-to-attack-him
Did you read the original article?
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scottw 12-05-2018, 06:02 AM Did you read the original article?
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yes...Graham sounds like an ahole
Jim in CT 12-05-2018, 06:50 AM Did you read the original article?
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i did.
At a time when everyone else was talking about the decency of the deceased president, Slate had to tack a different course and find something critical.
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Jim in CT 12-05-2018, 07:15 AM the title of the article is ‘don’t spend your emotional energy on Sully’.
who the hell is she to tell us not to feel emotional about the idea of a beautiful dog, trained by prisoners trying to improve themselves, dedicated to helping a beautiful man with disabilities? that’s not something we can all come together, feel a bit of warmth, and go ‘awwwww’? it’s more important to ‘set the record straight’ and point out why it’s a character flaw for us to feel good about the picture of this happy animal? She couldn’t just leave it alone and let people feel good about it?
Answer: no.
Reason: the Bush family are republicans. we aren’t supposed to feel good about them.
to even have the idea pop into your head, of seeing the reaction to Sully as some problem that needs liberal fixing, is sick.
Do you ever get tired of defending these people? is there anything they could
ever do, that you’d be able to criticize?
she points out that sully wasn’t a lifelong pet, but a companion animal he had for a short time. and if someone did make that mistake, what’s the harm? is anyone harmed by such a mistake?
She called it ‘demented’, that’s the word she used, to assume that the dog lying in front of the casket implied any loyalty to Bush, because he was more likely simply lying there. Demented. How does she know? It’s ‘demented’ to hope that the dog was feeling love and concern for Bush? That’s ‘demented’ to liberals? not surprising. Wouldnahe ever claim that PETA is demented for the elevated status they constantly bestow on animals?
She’s a disgustung bitch. Maybe next she can write an article telling 5 year olds hiw stupid they are for believing in Santa Claus.
You can’t have a soul and embrace this ideology, you just can’t.
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Pete F. 12-05-2018, 07:46 AM the title of the article is ‘don’t spend your emotional energy on Sully’.
who the hell is she to tell us not to feel emotional about the idea of a beautiful dog, trained by prisoners trying to improve themselves, dedicated to helping a beautiful man with disabilities? that’s not something we can all come together, feel a bit of warmth, and go ‘awwwww’? it’s more important to ‘set the record straight’ and point out why it’s a character flaw for us to feel good about the picture of this happy animal? She couldn’t just leave it alone and let people feel good about it?
Answer: no.
Reason: the Bush family are republicans. we aren’t supposed to feel good about them.
to even have the idea pop into your head, of seeing the reaction to Sully as some problem that needs liberal fixing, is sick.
Do you ever get tired of defending these people? is there anything they could
ever do, that you’d be able to criticize?
she points out that sully wasn’t a lifelong pet, but a companion animal he had for a short time. and if someone did make that mistake, what’s the harm? is anyone harmed by such a mistake?
She called it ‘demented’, that’s the word she used, to assume that the dog lying in front of the casket implied any loyalty to Bush, because he was more likely simply lying there. Demented. How does she know? It’s ‘demented’ to hope that the dog was feeling love and concern for Bush? That’s ‘demented’ to liberals? not surprising. Wouldnahe ever claim that PETA is demented for the elevated status they constantly bestow on animals?
She’s a disgustung bitch. Maybe next she can write an article telling 5 year olds hiw stupid they are for believing in Santa Claus.
You can’t have a soul and embrace this ideology, you just can’t.
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Victimized again
SAD
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RIROCKHOUND 12-05-2018, 07:47 AM i did.
At a time when everyone else was talking about the decency of the deceased president, Slate had to tack a different course and find something critical.
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In reading it again, where is the criticism of the bush family? I saw the article commending them for allowing sully to go to Walter reed and help someone else. I did see context of a service dog and explanation of how long sully had been with HW. I also saw it as pointing out how everyone had become sentimental about a picture of a dog laying down. We should be discussing the touching moments of Dole saluting his friend of GWB holding it together when they were bringing the casket to the capital. Much more real moments.
Slate had some much harsher criticism of HW that I only saw when I went looking for the sully piece. If you want to criticize slate those would be real targets.
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Jim in CT 12-05-2018, 07:59 AM Victimized again
SAD
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Not victimized. Empowered by pointing out the ugliness.
Jim in CT 12-05-2018, 08:18 AM In reading it again, where is the criticism of the bush family? I saw the article commending them for allowing sully to go to Walter reed and help someone else. I did see context of a service dog and explanation of how long sully had been with HW. I also saw it as pointing out how everyone had become sentimental about a picture of a dog laying down. We should be discussing the touching moments of Dole saluting his friend of GWB holding it together when they were bringing the casket to the capital. Much more real moments.
Slate had some much harsher criticism of HW that I only saw when I went looking for the sully piece. If you want to criticize slate those would be real targets.
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If your reading comprehension is sufficient to see that she didn't attack Bush in the article, it's interesting that your reading comprehension isn't up to the task of seeing that I never claimed she attacked Bush in the article. I said she wouldn't have felt the urge to write an article (the sole, stated purpose of which is to get people to stop feeling good about a service dog) if Bush wasn't a Republican. I can't offer any irrefutable proof of that, yet I'd bet my life on it. You know of any liberal magazines that took offense to the nation feeling good about the pet of a democrat President? I couldn't find any.
"We should be discussing the touching moments of Dole saluting his friend of GWB holding it together when they were bringing the casket to the capital. Much more real moments."
Tell the Slate reporter that. She's the one who tried to take us off course, not me. You're smart enough to know that.
The Bush family, once again showing their dignity, is making it clear that unlike the McCain services, this isn't going to be a Trump-bashing party.
Bryan, what do you think of Newsweek calling Bush a wimp, and of the NYT and Donna Brazile pushing a fake story that he had a mistress? The Democrats were so offended at Brazile doing that to a war hero, that they gave her the vice-chair position at the DNC, and was chair of the DNC for awhile. I'm not saying that kind of smear doesn't happen on my side, tragically it does. I'm saying it should be punished, not rewarded.
scottw 12-05-2018, 08:21 AM If your reading comprehension is sufficient to see that she didn't attack Bush in the article, it's interesting that your reading comprehension isn't up to the task of seeing that I never claimed she attacked Bush in the article. I said she wouldn't have felt the urge to write an article (the sole, stated purpose of which is to get people to stop feeling good about a service dog) if Bush wasn't a Republican.
this is true...if Bush was a democrat it would have been one of the most touching photographs in American history :hihi:
Jim in CT 12-05-2018, 08:56 AM this is true...if Bush was a democrat it would have been one of the most touching photographs in American history :hihi:
Of course it's true.
Bry told me to concentrate on the Slate pieces attacking HW himself. But this is more deranged. I expect high profile politicians to get roughed up, it's a rough business they choose to enter. It's especially un-surprising, when liberal reporters resort to yellow journalism when covering Republicans, we all expect that. But to write a hit piece on a Republican's service dog? Imagine how truly miserable and hate-filled you have to be, to feel THREATENED when large numbers of people feel good about the idea that a service dog cares about his partner. She called it "demented" to think that there was any emotion or affection or awareness displayed, when Sully laid in front of the casket. It's "demented" to see that, and feel good about things.
"Wait! Stop feeling good about that! It's not real! He's just lying down, nothing special to see here!"
Has any liberal ever criticized PETA, when they constantly anthropomorphize all living things, including plants and mold? That's OK, even heroic, to liberals. But God forbid we ascribe a speck of humanity to a Republican's service dog.
Hope this bitch never watches Old Yeller, she'll really blow a gasket. "Stop saying that he attacked those hogs to save his boy! That's not why he did it, he was just displaying canine toxic masculinity!" Come on, that's funny right there.
JohnR 12-05-2018, 08:58 AM The author is likely a radical feminist.
She probably has cats, or at least did until she joined PETA.
Since joining PETA she probably has middle-age BETAmales as pets in conversion therapy (not making this (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-6447821/Political-dominatrix-uses-mind-games-turn-right-wing-men-socialists.html) @#*&$ up ; ) ).
She erroneously believes that Cat Humans > Dog Humans. This is clearly false.
Unless, all the above is wrong, and the Article was Penned by a CAT
Jim in CT 12-05-2018, 09:05 AM Unless, all the above is wrong, and the Article was Penned by a CAT
That's the most benign possible explanation, by far!
The Trump-inspired, liberal descent into the abyss of madness, continues...
The Dad Fisherman 12-05-2018, 09:27 AM The author is likely a radical feminist.
She probably has cats, or at least did until she joined PETA.
Since joining PETA she probably has middle-age BETAmales as pets in conversion therapy (not making this (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-6447821/Political-dominatrix-uses-mind-games-turn-right-wing-men-socialists.html) @#*&$ up ; ) ).
She erroneously believes that Cat Humans > Dog Humans. This is clearly false.
Unless, all the above is wrong, and the Article was Penned by a CAT
How else are they going to keep Canine Privilege in check?
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How else are they going to keep Canine Privilege in check?
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I didn’t read the article but I’m sure they were just trying to generate Clickbait hits by writing something that would infuriate a lot of people
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spence 12-05-2018, 10:00 AM I didn’t read the article but I’m sure they were just trying to generate Clickbait hits by writing something that would infuriate a lot of people
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There's nothing particularly infuriating in the piece, but the theme about people needing to project their own emotional needs onto animals is pretty observant if a bit cold.
I didn’t read the article but I’m sure they were just trying to generate Clickbait hits by writing something that would infuriate a lot of people
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And by that I mean troll the masses.
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JohnR 12-05-2018, 10:33 AM I didn’t read the article but I’m sure they were just trying to generate Clickbait hits by writing something that would infuriate a lot of people
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Ohhh, absolutely true. Total clickbait. Breitbart meet Slate, Slate, Breitbart
There's nothing particularly infuriating in the piece, but the theme about people needing to project their own emotional needs onto animals is pretty observant if a bit cold.
Not entirely true, the author exhibits needs that might be allayed with a good dog, though that might not be good for the dog.
Jim in CT 12-05-2018, 11:41 AM There's nothing particularly infuriating in the piece, but the theme about people needing to project their own emotional needs onto animals is pretty observant if a bit cold.
She called it 'demented' to be moved by the sight of the dog in front of the casket. The word she used, was demented.
The title, also says explicitly, that it's 'wasteful' to spend emotional energy, feeling good about this Sully.
Naturally none of this is insulting to you. The entrance to liberalworld, requires one to leave their soul and conscience at the door.
Not ong ago, before the national Democratic party lost its mind, Donna Brazile was fired by Michael Dukakis for promoting the fake story that HW Bush had a mistress. In today's democratic party, she is rewarded for that kind of thing, with the office of chair, and vice-chair, of the DNC.
Hooray!
Anyone with a soul was moved by the photo of the dog laying by the casket. Only a completely broken person without a soul, would be offended by people rallying around something so pure, so innocent, and so touching.
Jim in CT 12-05-2018, 11:41 AM Ohhh, absolutely true. Total clickbait. Breitbart meet Slate, Slate, Breitbart
Not entirely true, the author exhibits needs that might be allayed with a good dog, though that might not be good for the dog.
Would be good for Cujo.
spence 12-05-2018, 12:19 PM She called it 'demented' to be moved by the sight of the dog in front of the casket. The word she used, was demented.
The title, also says explicitly, that it's 'wasteful' to spend emotional energy, feeling good about this Sully.
Naturally none of this is insulting to you. The entrance to liberalworld, requires one to leave their soul and conscience at the door.
Not ong ago, before the national Democratic party lost its mind, Donna Brazile was fired by Michael Dukakis for promoting the fake story that HW Bush had a mistress. In today's democratic party, she is rewarded for that kind of thing, with the office of chair, and vice-chair, of the DNC.
Hooray!
Anyone with a soul was moved by the photo of the dog laying by the casket. Only a completely broken person without a soul, would be offended by people rallying around something so pure, so innocent, and so touching.
I think you just made her case. It’s a picture of a dog by a casket. You have no clue what the dog is thinking. It’s your projection. Nice job Jim.
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Jim in CT 12-05-2018, 12:56 PM I think you just made her case. It’s a picture of a dog by a casket. You have no clue what the dog is thinking. It’s your projection. Nice job Jim.
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I don't know what the dog is thinking. I never said I did.
Here's what separates me from you, so pay attention.
It's comforting to me, to hope that the dog is thinking something about th person he was charged with serving, at that moment. It's not something I can prove, it's not tangible, but it's hopeful and uplifting to consider the possibility.
You just see a dog who felt like taking a load off.
I like what it triggers in me. I feel sorry for what it doesn't trigger in you.
Same thing that happens to each of us when we look at an ultrasound of an unborn baby. I see a miracle. You see nothing worth wasting emotional energy over, which was the title of that Slate hit piece.
Devoid of soul. Horrifying.
scottw 12-05-2018, 01:50 PM you know GWB is good when he has you laughing and crying at the same time
Jim in CT 12-05-2018, 01:53 PM you know GWB is good when he has you laughing and crying at the same time
Are you talking about his eulogy? It was perfect. This family is do decent, they care so much about one another.
I watched Bush finish his eulogy, he sat down, and a few rows behind his left shoulder, was W's new son-in-law who married his daughter recently, and the kid (Bush's new son-in-law) was crying.
I love these people, always have. They are made of Clinton anti-matter.
spence 12-05-2018, 03:43 PM I love these people, always have. They are made of Clinton anti-matter.
Yes, HW is such a man of integrity he became best friends with the devil. Good one.
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spence 12-05-2018, 03:46 PM It's comforting to me, to hope that the dog is thinking something about th person he was charged with serving, at that moment. It's not something I can prove, it's not tangible, but it's hopeful and uplifting to consider the possibility.
You’re putting a hell of a lot of pressure on that dog and reinforcing the author’s point once again.
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Talk about the tail walking the dog here.
All I see is a photographer had the dog lay down next to the coffin and he took a picture.
Maybe I am just a deeper thinker than most. :hihi:
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wdmso 12-05-2018, 03:58 PM https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/12/republican-democracy-stress-test-michigan-wisconsin-north-carolina.html?fbclid=IwAR1KvTwnZBHSWv_jhrsbkRfu29k HT1XZrNk0Y7wj_45Cz_ayfOMtJxw8_84
but this story will get no coverage here :cheers2:
Jim in CT 12-05-2018, 05:02 PM Yes, HW is such a man of integrity he became best friends with the devil. Good one.
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you’re right. bill clinton is a paragon of virtue. what was i thinking?
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Jim in CT 12-05-2018, 05:05 PM You’re putting a hell of a lot of pressure on that dog and reinforcing the author’s point once again.
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i’m putting exactly zero pressure in the dog.
Why doesn’t the author attack PETA for constantly anointing all living things ( including plants, mold spores, etc) with divine status? how come its only “demented” to go overboard with the Bush’s dog?
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Jim in CT 12-05-2018, 05:06 PM https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/12/republican-democracy-stress-test-michigan-wisconsin-north-carolina.html?fbclid=IwAR1KvTwnZBHSWv_jhrsbkRfu29k HT1XZrNk0Y7wj_45Cz_ayfOMtJxw8_84
but this story will get no coverage here :cheers2:
start a thread and walk us through it. you like to tell me to stay on topic so right back at you.
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spence 12-05-2018, 05:23 PM i’m putting exactly zero pressure in the dog.
Why doesn’t the author attack PETA for constantly anointing all living things ( including plants, mold spores, etc) with divine status? how come its only “demented” to go overboard with the Bush’s dog?
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You’re expecting the dog to embody the story you’ve thrust upon it to satisfy your own emotional needs. That’s kind of demented.
Don’t know the author so I can’t comment about her other lack of writings.
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https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/slate/
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wdmso 12-06-2018, 04:52 AM start a thread and walk us through it. you like to tell me to stay on topic so right back at you.
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no just pointing out a story about a dog outrages you more than a party changing the rules in a lame duck session because they Lost Hint Hint they aren't liberals
what that statement elections have consequences
scottw 12-06-2018, 06:53 AM this thread has gotten weird
Jim in CT 12-06-2018, 07:08 AM this thread has gotten weird
that’s because some here simply cannot ever concede that someone on their side made a terrible mistake. Not ever. instead of saying “ she should have left Sully alone, and simply written a nice piece about Bush’s life.”
they are physically incapable of saying that. so they try to change the conversation by pointing out bad things that republicans do ( yes we have bad oriole in the right).
It’s surreal.
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PaulS 12-06-2018, 07:41 AM that’s because some here simply cannot ever concede that someone on their side made a terrible mistake. Not ever. instead of saying “ she should have left Sully alone, and simply written a nice piece about Bush’s life.”
they are physically incapable of saying that. so they try to change the conversation by pointing out bad things that republicans do ( yes we have bad oriole in the right).
It’s surreal.
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I think it is bc you are so angry that you constantly find minute picky things to comment on so people push back. You find a pictur of the Clinton's at a funeral and for some reason need to comment on it.
The people on the left don't (for the most part) do that.
scottw 12-06-2018, 07:58 AM I think it is bc you are so angry
^^^^^ :kewl::hee:
Jim in CT 12-06-2018, 09:48 AM I think it is bc you are so angry that you constantly find minute picky things to comment on so people push back. You find a pictur of the Clinton's at a funeral and for some reason need to comment on it.
The people on the left don't (for the most part) do that.
oh yes, i forgot one thing, thanks for reminding me. when confronted with irrefutable evidence that a liberal acted badly, in addition to dodging by pointing out bad behavior by republicans, some liberals will point out that the character flaw is actually MINE, for pointing it out.
Jim : why attack a service dog when we’re celebrating the life of a decent man.
Paul: why are you always so angry?
Paul, i’m in a great mood, i cannot get angry between thanksgiving and christmas, not ever. OK?
we’ve addressed my anger. Can you comment on the character of a reporter, who at a time or
mourning this mans passing and celebrating his message, says it’s “demented” to see the photo of his service dog and go “awwwwww”?
Have fun with that.
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PaulS 12-06-2018, 10:02 AM Who cares about a service dog in the grand scheme of things? If someone is so petty to talk about a dog (and I didn't read the article) I could care less.
I think you posted a picture of the Clinton's sitting in church - big deal. It would be like my posting the picture I saw of all the Pres/families reading aloud from the Bible or the program and Trump standing there like he is bored out of his mind. I couldn't be bothered doing that bc I'm not petty (or angry) enough to start a thread about it.
Sea Dangles 12-06-2018, 10:04 AM Don’t sell yourself short Paul, you are certainly petty enough...
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The Dad Fisherman 12-06-2018, 10:19 AM ......because they Lost Hint Hint they aren't liberals
If they were liberals, they'd be looking to abolish the Electoral college, Don Pussy hats, Call everybody Nazis, Change the voting age to 16, smash store windows, and scream "Not My President" incessantly :hihi:
Jim in CT 12-06-2018, 10:40 AM Who cares about a service dog in the grand scheme of things? If someone is so petty to talk about a dog (and I didn't read the article) I could care less.
I think you posted a picture of the Clinton's sitting in church - big deal. It would be like my posting the picture I saw of all the Pres/families reading aloud from the Bible or the program and Trump standing there like he is bored out of his mind. I couldn't be bothered doing that bc I'm not petty (or angry) enough to start a thread about it.
once again, the character flaw is mine. and another diversion to Trump. How original.
apparently the Slate author cared enough about the dog, to feel obligated to put a stop to the goodwill we all felt because of the images of the dog. On my side, we like that stuff. your side calls it “demented.”. That’s why i like my side.
i do take it personally, i guess, i had an amazing golden retriever many years ago who was a certified therapy dog. I took him to Newtown a couple of times after the Sandy Hook shooting. Maybe that was ‘demented’ and ‘wasteful’ of me, Slate magazine would
say so, and none of the liberals here seem to have an issue with it.
Again, thankful for my side.
one of the best gifts of dogs, is that occasionally, they remind us what it is, to be human. I’d say liberals could use a reminder.
Here let me respond for you, save younthe teouble.
Why are you so angry? And did you see what Trump did yesterday?
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scottw 12-06-2018, 11:20 AM and another diversion to Trump.
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the whataboutismists do a lot of whataboutisming
PaulS 12-06-2018, 11:24 AM once again, the character flaw is mine. and another diversion to Trump. How original. The character flaw is yours in posting about the article. Trump really hasn't been discussed in this thread other than my giving you an example above.
apparently the Slate author cared enough about the dog, to feel obligated to put a stop to the goodwill we all felt because of the images of the dog. On my side, we like that stuff. your side calls it “demented.”. That’s why i like my side.isn't that what you did in the modified tribute thread where you added things about the Clinton's even after Bruce made a new thread and asked everyone to not do that. You did it in the very next post I believe. So you stopped the good will and caused a diversion to the Clinton. Pretty funny you complain about that here but just did the same exact thing in the other thread.
i do take it personally, i guess, i had an amazing golden retriever many years ago who was a certified therapy dog. I took him to Newtown a couple of times after the Sandy Hook shooting. Maybe that was ‘demented’ and ‘wasteful’ of me, Slate magazine would
say so, and none of the liberals here seem to have an issue with it.
Again, thankful for my side.
one of the best gifts of dogs, is that occasionally, they remind us what it is, to be human. I’d say liberals could use a reminder. I think we see what it looks like to be human when Conserv. try to cut taxes where the primary benefit goes to the rich, run up the deficit and then propose to cut benefits like food stamps for poor people.
Here let me respond for you, save younthe teouble.
Why are you so angry? Why am I angry? And did you see what Trump did yesterday? You mean when he didn't read from what everyone else was reading and stood there looking bored?
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NM
Jim in CT 12-06-2018, 11:33 AM the whataboutismists do a lot of whataboutisming
But it's brilliant and pertinent when THEY do it. Only a character flaw when we do it.
Jim in CT 12-06-2018, 11:41 AM NM
"isn't that what you did in the tribute thread where you added things about the Clinton's even after Bruce made a new thread and asked everyone to not do that"
The original tribute thread was my thread, so I'm not sure I see how I can be accused of hijacking my own thread. But if it makes you feel better, OK, that's what I did.
"So you stopped the good will and caused a diversion "
Sure. I did that, and I got criticized here by all the liberals for doing that. Yet those same liberals, cannot criticize a fellow liberal for doing that. It's only bad when I do it. Why? Can you tell me why that is?
"I think we see what it looks like to be human when Conserv. try to cut taxes where the primary benefit goes to the rich"
And what happened to black unemployment, and Hispanic unemployment, after that tax cut? How come you left that out. I agree with you 100%, that the tax cut should have been more focused on middle class and below. Where you and I differ, is that I don't have to pretend that there was no benefit to the middle class and below.
You're saying the GOP tax cut was "inhuman". Interesting. I'd say it was imperfect, not aimed enough at the people you and I both want to help. But those people were helped by the tax cut, just not as much as they could have been. Is that true or false?
"run up the deficit "
And where was your concern over the deficit, exactly, from 09-16? I agree the deficit and debt is a MAJPOR issue. But again, the difference between us, is that my concern doesn't depend on the party of the sitting president. Yours does. Which means your concern is selective, which means it's fake.
PaulS 12-06-2018, 11:49 AM "isn't that what you did in the tribute thread where you added things about the Clinton's even after Bruce made a new thread and asked everyone to not do that"
The original tribute thread was my thread, so I'm not sure I see how I can be accused of hijacking my own thread. But if it makes you feel better, OK, that's what I did. So ignore the mods. here bc why? It made you feel good to get one more dig on the Clintons?
"So you stopped the good will and caused a diversion "
Sure. I did that, and I got criticized here by all the liberals for doing that. Yet those same liberals, cannot criticize a fellow liberal for doing that. It's only bad when I do it. Why? Can you tell me why that is? It certainly is different doing it in a tribute thread than a thread about a dog.
"I think we see what it looks like to be human when Conserv. try to cut taxes where the primary benefit goes to the rich"
And what happened to black unemployment, and Hispanic unemployment, after that tax cut? It pretty much continued on the same trajectory as it was going on before. I've said here many times lower unemployment (black or othewise) is good for all us How come you left that out. I agree with you 100%, that the tax cut should have been more focused on middle class and below. Where you and I differ, is that I don't have to pretend that there was no benefit to the middle class and below. The benefit was minor to the middle class and that is why the Repubs. didn't run on it in the elections.
You're saying the GOP tax cut was "inhuman"Tax cuts are not inhumane (I think that is what you mean - hopefully Scott won't read it) but when the deficit balloons as many people said and the reaction is to cut spending for the poor- that is inhumane. . Interesting. I'd say it was imperfect, not aimed enough at the people you and I both want to help. But those people were helped by the tax cut, just not as much as they could have been. Is that true or false?
"run up the deficit "
And where was your concern over the deficit, exactly, from 09-16? You mean when the economy was in the crapper? Different times need different measures. I agree the deficit and debt is a MAJPOR issue. But again, the difference between us, is that my concern doesn't depend on the party of the sitting president. Yours does. Which means your concern is selective, which means it's fake.
Just proved that last statement wrong.
Jim in CT 12-06-2018, 12:05 PM Just proved that last statement wrong.
"It (black unemployment) pretty much continued on the same trajectory as it was going on before"
Ah yes, it was Obama's doing. How silly of me. When things continue on the same trajectory, it's because of the person who initiated that trajectory? It doesn't take work to maintain progress along that trajectory? Fascinating, simply fascinating.
"I've said here many times lower unemployment (black or othewise) is good for all us "
Have you ever said that the GOP tax cuts helped us in that goal?
"The benefit was minor to the middle class and that is why the Repubs. didn't run on it in the elections. "
$200+ a month for me, not minor, and they did run on it.
"You mean when the economy was in the crapper? "
The economy was in the crapper in the last couple of years of Obama's presidency? I missed that, I guess, lucky me.
"Just proved that last statement wrong."
No, you proved it true. Liberal=good, conservative=bad. that was your whole post.
scottw 12-06-2018, 12:09 PM Tax cuts are not inhumane (I think that is what you mean - hopefully Scott won't read it)
inhuman is a word dummy :huh:
inhuman
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1.lacking human qualities of compassion and mercy; cruel and barbaric. synonyms: cruel, harsh, inhumane, brutal, callous, sadistic, severe, savage, vicious, barbaric; More
wdmso 12-06-2018, 12:12 PM If they were liberals, they'd be looking to abolish the Electoral college, Don Pussy hats, Call everybody Nazis, Change the voting age to 16, smash store windows, and scream "Not My President" incessantly :hihi:
There is only one issue with your statement none of those things happened in a lame duck session .. but again thanks for showing how much you care that Republican power grabs .. are equal to pussy hats
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scottw 12-06-2018, 12:16 PM There is only one issue with your statement none of those things happened in a lame duck session ..
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no they happen all the time
Pete F. 12-06-2018, 12:52 PM Not victimized. Empowered by pointing out the ugliness.
I can tell by how many times you posted in this thread, that you need an intervention.
I thought the eulogies were all great, most of the articles I read also, you can tell he had good friends and family, a great sense of humor and didn't take himself too seriously.
Look for something good, Jim.
The dog moved on, you should too.
PaulS 12-06-2018, 01:12 PM "It (black unemployment) pretty much continued on the same trajectory as it was going on before"
Ah yes, it was Obama's doing. How silly of me. When things continue on the same trajectory, it's because of the person who initiated that trajectory? It doesn't take work to maintain progress along that trajectory? Fascinating, simply fascinating.I never claimed that did I? Trump can get credit for continuing if that will make you happy. Show me how the trajectory changed though?
"I've said here many times lower unemployment (black or othewise) is good for all us "
Have you ever said that the GOP tax cuts helped us in that goal?I don't think they did. Most of the tax cuts to corp. went to stock buy backs.
"The benefit was minor to the middle class and that is why the Repubs. didn't run on it in the elections. "
$200+ a month for me, not minor, and they did run on it.I'm glad you make more than the average carpenter, plumber and middle class person on this site. Most Repubs infact did not run on it.
"You mean when the economy was in the crapper? "
The economy was in the crapper in the last couple of years of Obama's presidency? I missed that, I guess, lucky me.Stick with #s (although sometimes I don't think you are that good with them). Was the deficit declining in Obama's later years from the earlier years?
"Just proved that last statement wrong."
No, you proved it true. Liberal=good, conservative=bad. that was your whole post.
I don't start threads that liberals good vs vs cons. bad I'm responding to your posts where you constantly blame liberals for everythiing and then when people point out the stupidity of the post you come back with.
"I get it Liberal=good, conservative=bad" even though your threads all imply that.
Who started this thread crying about what some mag. said about a dog?
PaulS 12-06-2018, 01:16 PM inhuman is a word dummy :huh:
inhuman
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adjective
1.lacking human qualities of compassion and mercy; cruel and barbaric. synonyms: cruel, harsh, inhumane, brutal, callous, sadistic, severe, savage, vicious, barbaric; More
I know it is a word dummy. I thought inhumane should have been used.
The Dad Fisherman 12-06-2018, 01:25 PM but again thanks for showing how much you care that Republican power grabs .. are equal to pussy hats
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Any time, glad i could help. Figured you were probably getting mixed signals between the tea leaves and the Tarot cards. Next time try tossing some chicken bones down and see if that helps clarify things.
Sea Dangles 12-06-2018, 02:06 PM I know it is a word dummy. I thought inhumane should have been used.
This wisdom sums it up.
What a ❄️
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Jim in CT 12-06-2018, 02:10 PM I can tell by how many times you posted in this thread, that you need an intervention.
I thought the eulogies were all great, most of the articles I read also, you can tell he had good friends and family, a great sense of humor and didn't take himself too seriously.
Look for something good, Jim.
The dog moved on, you should too.
so you post incessantly about what a demonic figure trump is. but because i’m simply responding often here, i need an intervention. okee-dokee.
the eulogies were great. it was all great, the sendoff he deserved.
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Pete F. 12-06-2018, 04:31 PM so you post incessantly about what a demonic figure trump is. but because i’m simply responding often here, i need an intervention. okee-dokee.
the eulogies were great. it was all great, the sendoff he deserved.
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Just trying to help
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Jim in CT 12-06-2018, 05:11 PM Just trying to help
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that’s what i figured, mighty courteous if you.
have a good night pete.
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