The president promised you wouldn't pay for the wall, Now he's decided to bring government to a halt because he couldn't keep that promise. Is that fair?

He’s a con and a fraud. If he hadn’t won the genetic gene pool lottery he’s be selling used cars in Trenton NJ
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The president promised you wouldn't pay for the wall, Now he's decided to bring government to a halt because he couldn't keep that promise. Is that fair?

It's an obvious, explicit broken promise. He deserves criticism for that. Do you give him any praise for the promises he has kept? Or do you only care about his failures? Does he have any successes, or are 100% of the good things that have happened since 2016, solely attributable to Obama?

He’s a con and a fraud. If he hadn’t won the genetic gene pool lottery he’s be selling used cars in Trenton NJ
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How did all those buildings get built in Manhattan? Are they all a mirage?

where do the democrats find pukes like pelosi and schumer anyway?

where do the democrats find pukes like pelosi and schumer anyway?

Pelosi will look as impressive as Margaret Thatcher once that imbecile socialist from Queens arrives. She’s...whew. i don’t think she gets invited to too many MENSA picnics. She’ll make that Miss South Carolina candidate from a few years ago, look sharp. It’s all free! Everything can be free!
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Pelosi will look as impressive as Margaret Thatcher once that imbecile socialist from Queens arrives.

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oh no...I love her!...she's fun...the other day she said she was going to plant Cheerios and grow doughnuts to feed the poor :jester:

How did all those buildings get built in Manhattan? Are they all a mirage?

His inheritance. His dad started the trump empire.
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I saw obama taking credit for the trump property portfolio recently

Pelosi will look as impressive as Margaret Thatcher once that imbecile socialist from Queens arrives. She’s...whew. i don’t think she gets invited to too many MENSA picnics. She’ll make that Miss South Carolina candidate from a few years ago, look sharp. It’s all free! Everything can be free!
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Just remember it's far easier to be a brilliant conservative freshman representative.
All one has to do is say no to almost everything, except a wall, police or military spending and currently deficits and tariffs, then you'd be a shining conservative star. Why they'd probably make them Speaker of the House.

His inheritance. His dad started the trump empire.
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he inherited the buildings?

obviously he was born with a platinum spoon in his mouth. but he has made a living in construction in NYC, meaning he has navigated around regulations, politicians, unions, and the mob. his book, which i never read, was a big best seller. for some godforsaken reason his tv show was popular.

he has a lot of employees who get paid every two weeks. he’s doing some big things right. obviously he didn’t start from scratch like many people do. but he hasn’t just sat back and spent the interest in his trust fund either.

he’s not as impressive as he thinks he is ( neither was obama). He’s not the complete fraud you think he is, either.
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[QUOTE=Jim in CT;1157274]he inherited the buildings?

obviously he was born with a platinum spoon in his mouth. but he has made a living in construction in NYC, meaning he has navigated around regulations, politicians, unions, and the mob. his book, which i never read, was a big best seller. for some godforsaken reason his tv show was popular.

he has a lot of employees who get paid every two weeks. he’s doing some big things right. obviously he didn’t start from scratch like many people do. but he hasn’t just sat back and spent the interest in his trust fund either.

he’s not as impressive as he thinks he is ( neither was obama). He’s not the complete fraud you think he is, either.


Trump should have sat back. He would have made more money. How many bankruptcies has he gone through ? 6?

[QUOTE=Jim in CT;1157274]he inherited the buildings?

obviously he was born with a platinum spoon in his mouth. but he has made a living in construction in NYC, meaning he has navigated around regulations, politicians, unions, and the mob. his book, which i never read, was a big best seller. for some godforsaken reason his tv show was popular.

he has a lot of employees who get paid every two weeks. he’s doing some big things right. obviously he didn’t start from scratch like many people do. but he hasn’t just sat back and spent the interest in his trust fund either.

he’s not as impressive as he thinks he is ( neither was obama). He’s not the complete fraud you think he is, either.


Trump should have sat back. He would have made more money. How many bankruptcies has he gone through ? 6?

Persistence paid off.

[QUOTE=Nebe;1157277]

Persistence paid off.

That’s what made him #1
Individual, that is
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[QUOTE=Jim in CT;1157274]he inherited the buildings?

obviously he was born with a platinum spoon in his mouth. but he has made a living in construction in NYC, meaning he has navigated around regulations, politicians, unions, and the mob. his book, which i never read, was a big best seller. for some godforsaken reason his tv show was popular.

he has a lot of employees who get paid every two weeks. he’s doing some big things right. obviously he didn’t start from scratch like many people do. but he hasn’t just sat back and spent the interest in his trust fund either.

he’s not as impressive as he thinks he is ( neither was obama). He’s not the complete fraud you think he is, either.


Trump should have sat back. He would have made more money. How many bankruptcies has he gone through ? 6?

bankruptcy protection is there for a reason. if we don’t want people to use it, we can do away with it.

you tell me how obamas resume prior to 2008, was anywhere near as accomplished as Trumps. A CEO versus a community organizer with one partial term as a us senator, during which time he did exactly nothing except write his memoirs. you’re not gonna win that one.
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It's an obvious, explicit broken promise. He deserves criticism for that.
It wasn’t a broken promise it was a bald faced lie.
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His inheritance. His dad started the trump empire.
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That and his father’s connections. With the money he inherited it was nearly foolproof and even then he managed to break almost everything.
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where do the democrats find pukes like pelosi and schumer anyway?
They made Trump and Pence look like fools today.
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Individual 1does not own most of the buildings with his name on them. Some of them his organization manages. He always had a good Reputation as far as managing the properties. With some of the properties he has absolutely nothing to do with them.
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That and his father’s connections. With the money he inherited it was nearly foolproof and even then he managed to break almost everything.
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and get elected President of the United States :hihi:

and get elected President of the United States :hihi:

no argument there

Yesterday’s meeting open to the public was a perfect example of Trumps inability to talk about anything but the GD border wall, as if that is the biggest problem we are facing. Showed me why he scares me with his hands on the nuclear codes, when he throws a hissy fit over someone pointing out the fact he keeps threatening a shutdown in order to get his wall. Like chuck took a lollipop from a toddler and Trump being Trump took the bait and whined like a baby.
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It wasn’t a broken promise it was a bald faced lie.
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It a lie, only if he knew when he said it, that he wasn't going to pursue it. How might you know that?

And what was it (a broken promise or a lie), when Obama campaigned in 2008 about immigration reform ion his first term, and didn't deliver? Wait! Lemme guess!! It was George Bush's fault?

It a lie, only if he knew when he said it, that he wasn't going to pursue it. How might you know that?

And what was it (a broken promise or a lie), when Obama campaigned in 2008 about immigration reform ion his first term, and didn't deliver? Wait! Lemme guess!! It was George Bush's fault?

BUT OBAMA....
BUT OBAMA!!!!!!

You should like a child.
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Showed me why he scares me with his hands on the nuclear codes,

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I just read that he's not smart enough to actually punch in the nuclear codes so I think you are safe

I just read that he's not smart enough to actually punch in the nuclear codes so I think you are safe

Certainly not if it requires reading an owners manual first, but maybe after two years he has gotten by the intro and into the meat.

I just read that he's not smart enough to actually punch in the nuclear codes so I think you are safe

The code is simply to type in your worst flaw. Since Trump is in capable of pointing out any of his flaws he would never be able to solve the code
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BUT OBAMA....
BUT OBAMA!!!!!!

You should like a child.
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Nebe, can you tell me why it's not pertinent for me to ask Spence why he calls it a "lie" when Trump fails to meet promises, when he would never, under any circumstance hold Obama to the same standard?

Nebe, it's very easy to lob baseless insults. It's a lot harder to respond to what I'm actually saying, and to show me why I'm wrong. I know that's harder, because you never do it.

The libs refused to criticize Obama for these things, they attack Trump mercilessly for doing some of the same things. And if you point put the naked hypocrisy, you are guilty of whataboutism. So to you Nebe, being a hypocrite isn't a character flaw, but pointing out hypocrisy, is a character flaw. That just makes all kinds of sense.

It a lie, only if he knew when he said it, that he wasn't going to pursue it. How might you know that?

And what was it (a broken promise or a lie), when Obama campaigned in 2008 about immigration reform ion his first term, and didn't deliver? Wait! Lemme guess!! It was George Bush's fault?

No, he had a chance and didn't do it in his first two years. That was disappointing. Then congress flipped and it was basically off the table. Obama was far from perfect. There are many things he did I disagree with. I wish at times things were done in a more bi-partisan way, but with Mitch McConnells sole goal to make him a one-term president, not much was going to get done.

There is a difference between not getting a campaign promise done and a lie.

Trump lies, daily. He lies about the wall. He lies about the funding for the wall. He lies about improvements in the wall, which was basically the same process the last two administrations have done. He lies about 10 terrorists, he lies about Saudi Arabia.

See the difference?

No, he had a chance and didn't do it in his first two years. That was disappointing. Then congress flipped and it was basically off the table. Obama was far from perfect. There are many things he did I disagree with. I wish at times things were done in a more bi-partisan way, but with Mitch McConnells sole goal to make him a one-term president, not much was going to get done.

There is a difference between not getting a campaign promise done and a lie.

Trump lies, daily. He lies about the wall. He lies about the funding for the wall. He lies about improvements in the wall, which was basically the same process the last two administrations have done. He lies about 10 terrorists, he lies about Saudi Arabia.

See the difference?

"(Obama) had a chance and didn't do it in his first two years."

Agreed. He could have kept his promise, and chose not to.

"There is a difference between not getting a campaign promise done and a lie."

Also true. It appears you're saying Obama didn't lie about immigration reform, he just chose not to do it. How is that different from Trumps campaign promise about the wall, exactly? It would appear Trump could have done it if he wanted, his party controlled congress, but he chose not to pursue it. To me, it looks exactly like Obama and immigration reform. Both men made promises, both had party control of both chambers of Congress, both seem to have chosen to ignore the promise.

"Trump lies, daily"

He lies a lot, yes. I don't know, and I don't see how you or Spence could know, if hos promise to build a wall was a lie, or a broken campaign promise, which you admit Obama is also guilty of.

"See the difference?"

I see differences in the two men, absolutely. In terms of how Obama handled immigration reform, and how Trump handled construction of the wall? Many more similarities.

Did Obama take responsibility for not doing immigration reform when he had a democrat congress?

Here's a video where Obama was pressed on it. What did he do? he blamed REPUBLICANS. He had control of the house and for a time, a filibuster - proof majority in the Senate! But it's the Republican's fault, not Obama's. In this video, Obama blames everyone but himself, and lies about why it didn't happen. That doesn't remind you of Trump?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgfcCk-p54k

No, he had a chance and didn't do it in his first two years. That was disappointing. Then congress flipped and it was basically off the table. Obama was far from perfect. There are many things he did I disagree with. I wish at times things were done in a more bi-partisan way, but with Mitch McConnells sole goal to make him a one-term president, not much was going to get done.

There is a difference between not getting a campaign promise done and a lie.

Trump lies, daily. He lies about the wall. He lies about the funding for the wall. He lies about improvements in the wall, which was basically the same process the last two administrations have done. He lies about 10 terrorists, he lies about Saudi Arabia.

See the difference?

OMG, when you started listing his lies, I was thinking; I don't have time to read all of them I have work to do. He lied about China buying soybeans again to appease the media and farmers, he and Pompeo lie when they say there is no conclusive evidence the Saudi leader ordered the killing, he and his lap dogs lie to make their claims work in Trumps head and to the state news at Fox. Although I have to give congrats to Fox actually asking Pompeo the hard questions about MBS and his involvement.

You can keep your doctor that's republicans favorite Obama lie

Yet millions never lost their doctors true some did .... but now they play verbal gymnastics, when it comes to Trump lies they even have changed the definition of lie

He has no equal in the lies department.. he is the undisputed champion

You can keep your doctor that's republicans favorite Obama lie

Yet millions never lost their doctors true some did .... but now they play verbal gymnastics, when it comes to Trump lies they even have changed the definition of lie

He has no equal in the lies department.. he is the undisputed champion

Alternative facts man... ALTERNATIVE FACKTZ!!!!
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You can keep your doctor that's republicans favorite Obama lie

Yet millions never lost their doctors true some did .... but now they play verbal gymnastics, when it comes to Trump lies they even have changed the definition of lie

He has no equal in the lies department.. he is the undisputed champion

And if Obama said "most of you can keep your doctor or your plan", that would be the end o fit. Obamacare was sold as a plan where we could keep our doctor, and where the average family would save $2500 a year. But it's wrong (and probably racist) for conservatives to bring that up.

We're playing "verbal gymnasitics" when we claim that Obamacare fell short. Incredible.

liberal=good, conservative=bad, always, zero exceptions.

And if Obama said "most of you can keep your doctor or your plan", that would be the end o fit. Obamacare was sold as a plan where we could keep our doctor, and where the average family would save $2500 a year. But it's wrong (and probably racist) for conservatives to bring that up.

We're playing "verbal gymnasitics" when we claim that Obamacare fell short. Incredible.

liberal=good, conservative=bad, always, zero exceptions.

It a lie, only if he knew when he said it

falling short is just that falling short a lie is as you said ^^^ above

So it's easy is Trump a liar or not it's not hard based on actual things he has said and fact checked

However Trump and the Republicans have done an outstanding job attacking facts and the enemy of the people the press . Or any information that shows the in a negtive light funny way to .MAGA

And if Obama said "most of you can keep your doctor or your plan", that would be the end o fit. Obamacare was sold as a plan where we could keep our doctor, and where the average family would save $2500 a year. But it's wrong (and probably racist) for conservatives to bring that up.

We're playing "verbal gymnasitics" when we claim that Obamacare fell short. Incredible.

liberal=good, conservative=bad, always, zero exceptions.

Again with the BUT OBAMA!!!!

So juvenile.
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Again with the BUT OBAMA!!!!

So juvenile.
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In which pointing out naked hypocrisy, is juvenile.

I'm just hoping for some consistency, that's all.

In which pointing out naked hypocrisy, is juvenile.

I'm just hoping for some consistency, that's all.

Imagine you have 2 kids. You point out something one kid did wrong and he says while pointing at his sibling. “ but he did it too!!!”

That is juvenile.
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It a lie, only if he knew when he said it

falling short is just that falling short a lie is as you said ^^^ above

So it's easy is Trump a liar or not it's not hard based on actual things he has said and fact checked

However Trump and the Republicans have done an outstanding job attacking facts and the enemy of the people the press . Or any information that shows the in a negtive light funny way to .MAGA

"falling short is just that falling short a lie is as you said ^^^ above "

Agreed, I don't think I said Obama lied. He was very, very wrong about what he said the impacts of Obamacare would be. He was also very, very wrong about the benefits of his stimulus (he said it would keep unemployment below 8%, instead it went over 10%).

I don't think he intentionally lied. I just think he's wrong a lot.

"So it's easy is Trump a liar or not it's not "

You/re right, it's easy. Yes, Trump is a liar. That doesn't mean he lied about the wall, unless you are saying that Trump is incapable of telling the truth. Trump doesn't lie every time he moves his mouth. We don't know if he actually thought he could get Mexico to pay for the wall. How could you possibly know, that he didn't actually believe it when he said it?


"However Trump and the Republicans have done an outstanding job attacking facts "

I can easily go tit for tat with you, telling you all the times that liberals explicitly lied for political gain. And if honesty was so important, why did your side nominate someone who said she came under sniper fire in Bosnia or wherever?

"enemy of the people the press "

If the press is deliberately slanting reporting to serve a political agenda, I agree with Trump. They aren't a lethal, mortal enemy like ISIS, but they are an enemy. Capable of doing massive damage. The press, in my opinion, has betrayed the trust we give them, betrayed the constitutional protections they enjoy. And not just the liberal press, some at Fox are just as guilty. Almost none are honest.

"Or any information that shows the in a negtive light "

Not me. I can easily admit when he's being an azz.

Sorry for being guilty of whaboutism again, but I posted video of Obama blaming Republicans for preventing him from doing immigration reform, when democrats controlled both chambers of Congress. But you are OK with that, because you don't like Republicans. It only bothers you when Republicans do the same thing.

Imagine you have 2 kids. You point out something one kid did wrong and he says while pointing at his sibling. “ but he did it too!!!”

That is juvenile.
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No. Your analogy is flawed, like almost everything you post.

If I choose not to punish one kid for hitting his brother, but I punish the other kid for hitting his brother back, then I'm guilty of hypocrisy and I deserve to be criticized for it.

I am not pointing to Obama to excuse Trump's behavior, I cannot possibly fathom how you could think that. I point to it, because you and your fellow liberal ilk said nothing when Obama did some of these same exact things, but you go berserk when Trump does it.

Let me go very slow for you. I am not pointing to Obama, to excuse Trump's behavior. I point to Obama, to show clearly that your side gave him a pass for doing some of the same exact things, for which you attack Trump. Is that going too fast for you?

It's not me being juvenile. It's you not following a point that my 12 year-old would get.

Nothing Obama did equals wht trump has done. Nothing.... :rtfm:

Zero scandals. Zero.......unless you count saluting a marine on air force 2 while holding a cup of coffee.
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Nothing Obama did equals wht trump has done. Nothing.... :rtfm:

Zero scandals. Zero.......unless you count saluting a marine on air force 2 while holding a cup of coffee.
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And the tan suit.
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Nothing Obama did equals wht trump has done. Nothing.... :rtfm:

Zero scandals. Zero.......unless you count saluting a marine on air force 2 while holding a cup of coffee.
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wow, zero scandals...making fun of special olympians, using the irs as a weapon against conservatives, benghazi, fast & furious. trampling on the rights of christians and catholics...

he’s not anywhere near as gross as trump. but your side is still holding trump to very, very different standards than you held obama to.
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the us government gave weapons to mexican drug dealers. but that wasn’t a scandal, no sir.

wow, zero scandals...making fun of special olympians, using the irs as a weapon against conservatives, benghazi, fast & furious. trampling on the rights of christians and catholics...

he’s not anywhere near as gross as trump. but your side is still holding trump to very, very different standards than you held obama to.
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the us government gave weapons to mexican drug dealers. but that wasn’t a scandal, no sir.
This is the problem, you’re completely dillusional. Apples and bricks are the same. Good lord.
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This is the problem, you’re completely dillusional. Apples and bricks are the same. Good lord.
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well i’m shocked. i kicked your azz, and instead
admitting there’s hypocrisy, you lob insults.

any chance you can ever try to support you insults? i asked nebe and pete multiple
times why i’m a fascist, they won’t answer.

i support what i say soence. when i call you a glaring, obvious, naked hypocrite, i point to very specific examples. your response is to say i’m delusional, with zero evidence.
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wow, zero scandals...making fun of special olympians, using the irs as a weapon against conservatives, benghazi, fast & furious. trampling on the rights of christians and catholics...

he’s not anywhere near as gross as trump. but your side is still holding trump to very, very different standards than you held obama to.
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the us government gave weapons to mexican drug dealers. but that wasn’t a scandal, no sir.

Benghazi was a manufactured scandal by the right... Niger four American soldiers lost their lives — (no outrage from the right)


making fun of special olympians

Obama Apologizes for Calling His Bad Bowling 'Like the Special Olympics' (in the context of a bad joke )

Donald Trump’s Worst Mocking Disabled Reporter
Trump insisted, “I didn’t know what he looked like. I didn’t know he was disabled."Trump has denied that he meant to mock the reporter, Serge Kovaleski, who has arthrogryposis, a congenital condition affecting the joints.

context used his name failing about attacking the article with a name
some apology


using the irs as a weapon against conservatives

But the russian investigation is a witch hunt??/


us government gave weapons to mexican drug dealers.
funny 2006- 2011 was only an issue with Obama ?

unwalking", or "letting guns walk", was a tactic of the Arizona Field Office of the United States Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF), which ran a series of sting operations[2][3] between 2006[4] and 2011[2][5]

trampling on the rights of christians and catholics...

mandating health-insurance policies should cover birth-control services for women, really that's your attack christians and catholics...


holding trump to very, very different standards than you held obama to.

thats :bs: clearly you hold Trump to very different standard then you held Obama.. your past posts and present are a clear window in to that world ...he’s not anywhere near as gross as trump.. does not equal objectivity


let me be clear even a good economy isn't enough,, there is nothing good Trump could do besides resign from office that could make up for the damage he has inflicted on the Nation our world standing our institutions our environment and the office of the POTUS will take decades to get the trust back if ever

the above is not imaginary its based on Trumps words and actions ..

the chasm is deep.....

Benghazi was a manufactured scandal by the right... Niger four American soldiers lost their lives — (no outrage from the right)


making fun of special olympians

Obama Apologizes for Calling His Bad Bowling 'Like the Special Olympics' (in the context of a bad joke )

Donald Trump’s Worst Mocking Disabled Reporter
Trump insisted, “I didn’t know what he looked like. I didn’t know he was disabled."Trump has denied that he meant to mock the reporter, Serge Kovaleski, who has arthrogryposis, a congenital condition affecting the joints.

context used his name failing about attacking the article with a name
some apology


using the irs as a weapon against conservatives

But the russian investigation is a witch hunt??/


us government gave weapons to mexican drug dealers.
funny 2006- 2011 was only an issue with Obama ?

unwalking", or "letting guns walk", was a tactic of the Arizona Field Office of the United States Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF), which ran a series of sting operations[2][3] between 2006[4] and 2011[2][5]

trampling on the rights of christians and catholics...

mandating health-insurance policies should cover birth-control services for women, really that's your attack christians and catholics...


holding trump to very, very different standards than you held obama to.

thats :bs: clearly you hold Trump to very different standard then you held Obama.. your past posts and present are a clear window in to that world ...he’s not anywhere near as gross as trump.. does not equal objectivity


let me be clear even a good economy isn't enough,, there is nothing good Trump could do besides resign from office that could make up for the damage he has inflicted on the Nation our world standing our institutions our environment and the office of the POTUS will take decades to get the trust back if ever

the above is not imaginary its based on Trumps words and actions ..
It is actually pretty funny how we look at things depending on where we stand politically. While there are some folks who say we can not recover from Trump and the impact his actions have upon our standing in the world,there are just as many that felt the same way about Obama and some of the foolishness that the country endured under his leadership. If nothing else,Trump has effectively demonstrated that stupid decisions and policies are easy to reverse. Some of these incessantly whining liberals have to learn to just shut up and roll with these changes while gaining an understanding that we get the government we deserve. As long as we have guys like Wayne,whose daily mission is to wake up and literally cry because he is butt hurt, then we will be reminded as to why and how we got here.
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Benghazi was a manufactured scandal by the right... Niger four American soldiers lost their lives — (no outrage from the right)


making fun of special olympians

Obama Apologizes for Calling His Bad Bowling 'Like the Special Olympics' (in the context of a bad joke )

Donald Trump’s Worst Mocking Disabled Reporter
Trump insisted, “I didn’t know what he looked like. I didn’t know he was disabled."Trump has denied that he meant to mock the reporter, Serge Kovaleski, who has arthrogryposis, a congenital condition affecting the joints.

context used his name failing about attacking the article with a name
some apology


using the irs as a weapon against conservatives

But the russian investigation is a witch hunt??/


us government gave weapons to mexican drug dealers.
funny 2006- 2011 was only an issue with Obama ?

unwalking", or "letting guns walk", was a tactic of the Arizona Field Office of the United States Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF), which ran a series of sting operations[2][3] between 2006[4] and 2011[2][5]

trampling on the rights of christians and catholics...

mandating health-insurance policies should cover birth-control services for women, really that's your attack christians and catholics...


holding trump to very, very different standards than you held obama to.

thats :bs: clearly you hold Trump to very different standard then you held Obama.. your past posts and present are a clear window in to that world ...he’s not anywhere near as gross as trump.. does not equal objectivity


let me be clear even a good economy isn't enough,, there is nothing good Trump could do besides resign from office that could make up for the damage he has inflicted on the Nation our world standing our institutions our environment and the office of the POTUS will take decades to get the trust back if ever

the above is not imaginary its based on Trumps words and actions ..

benghazi- other western nations and the red cross had pulled out, they saw the danger. Stephens has asked
multiple times for security which was denied. The fight lasted 13 hours and no help came. then the administration repeatedly blamed an american citizen for making a video.

which of those points did i manufacture?

why do you claim i said the russianinvestigation is a witch hunt? can you read? seriously, do you know how to read? i’ve said many times that there should be an investigation, and if he did anything wrong he should face it. is that going too fast for you? does that sound like i’m painting the investigation as a witch hunt?

Oh, obama apologizes for making fun of special olympians, which to you, meansnit never happened? so a scandal isn’t a scandal if the person apologized? wdmso, that makes all kinds of sense

on obamacare and christianity, you shouldnget some facts. the supreme court ruled that obamacare trampled on the religious beliefs of christians. these business owners were willing to provide birth control when there’s a legitimate health need ( many women have real health needs for the pill), they did not want to be forced to provide pills that are designed to be abortion-producing. the court, not me, said it was unconstitutional.

what damage has trump done, which can only be fixed by resigning? please benspecific...sires he’s a morally bankrupt reptile, so was bill clinton. just because you really reallly dislike him? i really really disliked obama, but i gave him credit when it was due, and i counted the days. i didn’t surrender my sanity like you guys.

i have no issue with the trump scandals you listed, though i don’t know why they are pertinent. i admit trump had many scandals. the point i was making, was a response to someone who said that obama had no scandals. clearly he did, and you cannot refute that by pointing to someone else’s scandals.

you say it’s not a scandal if one apologizes. unreal.

i listed obamas scandals to show his term was not scandal free, and you can’t help but go on an anti trump diatribe. you’re completely obsessed. two more years probably, hang in there.
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the chasm is deep.....

deep and deranged.
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Benghazi was a manufactured scandal by the right... Niger four American soldiers lost their lives — (no outrage from the right)


making fun of special olympians

Obama Apologizes for Calling His Bad Bowling 'Like the Special Olympics' (in the context of a bad joke )

Donald Trump’s Worst Mocking Disabled Reporter
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context used his name failing about attacking the article with a name
some apology


using the irs as a weapon against conservatives

But the russian investigation is a witch hunt??/


us government gave weapons to mexican drug dealers.
funny 2006- 2011 was only an issue with Obama ?

unwalking", or "letting guns walk", was a tactic of the Arizona Field Office of the United States Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF), which ran a series of sting operations[2][3] between 2006[4] and 2011[2][5]

trampling on the rights of christians and catholics...

mandating health-insurance policies should cover birth-control services for women, really that's your attack christians and catholics...


holding trump to very, very different standards than you held obama to.

thats :bs: clearly you hold Trump to very different standard then you held Obama.. your past posts and present are a clear window in to that world ...he’s not anywhere near as gross as trump.. does not equal objectivity


let me be clear even a good economy isn't enough,, there is nothing good Trump could do besides resign from office that could make up for the damage he has inflicted on the Nation our world standing our institutions our environment and the office of the POTUS will take decades to get the trust back if ever

the above is not imaginary its based on Trumps words and actions ..

"he’s not anywhere near as gross as trump.. does not equal objectivity "

What does equal objectivity, is my well-established pattern of saying good and bad things about both Trump and Obama, and usually not always) supporting my statements with actual events and results.

"clearly you hold Trump to very different standard then you held Obama.. "

We would all just love to see you explain that a bit further. I am frequently critical of Trump, deeply critical. But I'm rational when I do it, that's the difference between us. You and your fellow world travelers here, you cannot handle criticism of Obama, and you cannot handle praise of Trump. It's literally more than you can process.

"he’s not anywhere near as gross as trump.. does not equal objectivity "


I hold them to the same standards Trump has no standards hence


What does equal objectivity, is my well-established pattern of saying good and bad things about both Trump and Obama, and usually not always) supporting my statements with actual events and results.



"clearly you hold Trump to very different standard then you held Obama.. "

We would all just love to see you explain that a bit further. I am frequently critical of Trump, deeply critical. But I'm rational when I do it, that's the difference between us. You and your fellow world travelers here, you cannot handle criticism of Obama, and you cannot handle praise of Trump. It's literally more than you can process.

I hold them to the same standards Trump has no standards .. but again you see similarities in their behaviors.. when they are not even comparable

Finding praise in Trumps is like convincing yourself that even pedophiles deserve praise for anything seen as positive . not involving the original crime

He is beyond salvation he already dug his hole with his own hands and lips and he’s got 2 more years of digging
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Jim here’s a hypothetical
Since the election take every news story the Russian investigation all the guilty pleas the lies and even his tax returns stormy and replace Trump with Obama. In his 1st year in office ... I highly doubt your responses would even be what they are now.... but my response wouldn’t change Because it’s not about the man it never has been
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Jim here’s a hypothetical
Since the election take every news story the Russian investigation all the guilty pleas the lies and even his tax returns stormy and replace Trump with Obama. In his 1st year in office ... I highly doubt your responses would even be what they are now.... but my response wouldn’t change Because it’s not about the man it never has been
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Your assuming a whole lot without any basis for your assumptions.

Jim here’s a hypothetical
Since the election take every news story the Russian investigation all the guilty pleas the lies and even his tax returns stormy and replace Trump with Obama. In his 1st year in office ... I highly doubt your responses would even be what they are now.... but my response wouldn’t change Because it’s not about the man it never has been
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i think it’s clear that i praise them both when they do good, and criticize both when they deserve it.

trump is as irredeemable as a pedophile? seriously? wow.
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i think it’s clear that i praise them both when they do good, and criticize both when they deserve it.

trump is as irredeemable as a pedophile? seriously? wow.
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no just an extreme example.. but if was you would praise him if he gave you what you want.. that's all

It is actually pretty funny how we look at things depending on where we stand politically. While there are some folks who say we can not recover from Trump and the impact his actions have upon our standing in the world,there are just as many that felt the same way about Obama and some of the foolishness that the country endured under his leadership. If nothing else,Trump has effectively demonstrated that stupid decisions and policies are easy to reverse. Some of these incessantly whining liberals have to learn to just shut up and roll with these changes while gaining an understanding that we get the government we deserve. As long as we have guys like Wayne,whose daily mission is to wake up and literally cry because he is butt hurt, then we will be reminded as to why and how we got here.
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yep many felt that way about obama for very different reasons .. No we the government we deserve when individuals like yourself would rather throw stuff from the peanut gallery. and see no evil speak no evil hear no evil .. then actually pay attention

no just an extreme example.. but if was you would praise him if he gave you what you want.. that's all

I would praise him if he helped the country, and call for his execution is he was a pedophile.

Since you think it's wrong to praise Trump when he helps people, can I ask what you are doing with your extra take-home py thanks to his tax cuts? I hope you're not using it or enjoying it, because based on your own logic, that's evil money. Can we all assume you're burning it?

I bought a camper with my extra take-home pay. My family spent 31 nights in that thing this year, and every one of them was magical. And it would likely not have happened if not for Trump and the GOP.

I can be thankful for that, and still bash him for being the morally bankrupt reptile that he is.

We COULD have had a nice guy with the same beliefs, but your side told everyone that McCain was a senile old racist, and that Romney was a heartless plutocrat who hates women. So please tell us, exactly when did the democrats decide they wanted a GOP candidate who had integrity? Because they were merciless with McCain and Romney.

yep many felt that way about obama for very different reasons .. No we the government we deserve when individuals like yourself would rather throw stuff from the peanut gallery. and see no evil speak no evil hear no evil .. then actually pay attention

"many felt that way about obama for very different reasons "

The conservative opposition to Obama was nothing like this. Where were the riots? The right responded by getting right to work and forming the tea party. And it worked. No riots. There was no large scale right-wing equivalent to Occupy Wall Street or Black Lives Matter or Antifa. None.

The entire media was absolutely in the tank for Obama except for one TV station, which 1% of the country watches on a good night, and liberals act like it's an Orwellian thing. One percent.

"many felt that way about obama for very different reasons "

The conservative opposition to Obama was nothing like this. Where were the riots? The right responded by getting right to work and forming the tea party. And it worked. No riots. There was no large scale right-wing equivalent to Occupy Wall Street or Black Lives Matter or Antifa. None.

The entire media was absolutely in the tank for Obama except for one TV station, which 1% of the country watches on a good night, and liberals act like it's an Orwellian thing. One percent.

Your right it was nothing like this. It was all the most petty stuff - he wore a brown suit in the oval office (I think one senator called it treason) and he saluted w/a coffee cup in his other hand. A lot was based on out right lies - ie his country, his religion, etc. Made up scandals that had nothing at all to do with him - IRS.

We talked about this a few times - Antifa has NOTHING at all to do with the Dems. but bc Neo Nazis praise Trump you try to come up with a Dem. equivalant.

Let's not forget that studies have shown that Fox news watchers actually know less about news than people who don't watch any news at all. Also, their ees actually get on stage at his rallies and promote him. Pointing out the daily (hourly?) lies is not being in the tank for someone. Pointing out how the Repub. have changed on the evironment or foreigh policy or trade is not being in the tank for someone.

Let's hear more but but Obama. Remember when if anyone said that about Bush the rightys panty's got all bunched up.

I would praise him if he helped the country, and call for his execution is he was a pedophile.

Since you think it's wrong to praise Trump when he helps people, can I ask what you are doing with your extra take-home py thanks to his tax cuts? I hope you're not using it or enjoying it, because based on your own logic, that's evil money. Can we all assume you're burning it?

I bought a camper with my extra take-home pay. My family spent 31 nights in that thing this year, and every one of them was magical. And it would likely not have happened if not for Trump and the GOP.I know you have bragged here that you have an extra $200 per paycheck bc of Trump. I don't think you know very many here but most are blue collar and don't make what you do and aren't seeing that much in their paycheck. So while you got a big increase, everyone else is just seeing the deficit balloon. Remember when during the worse downturn since the great dep. the Repubs. cried bc Obama tried to stimulate the economy - fing hypocrites.

I can be thankful for that, and still bash him for being the morally bankrupt reptile that he is.

We COULD have had a nice guy with the same beliefs, but your side told everyone that McCain was a senile old racist, and that Romney was a heartless plutocrat who hates women. Romney basically said he would never care about 47% of the country. How many times do we have to remind you of that? Look at the classless, lying thing the Repubs. say about Dems.So please tell us, exactly when did the democrats decide they wanted a GOP candidate who had integrity? Because they were merciless with McCain and Romney.

You constantly say the Dems. are bad yet what the Repubs do is far worse. Saying the Dems. hate the country, treasonous, etc.

The entire media was absolutely in the tank for Obama except for one TV station, which 1% of the country watches on a good night, and liberals act like it's an Orwellian thing. One percent.

Show us the data that comes close to proving that
Another victim lie

Show us the data that comes close to proving that
Another victim lie

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/dec/06/obamas-positive-press-sets-record/

https://sites.middlebury.edu/presidentialpower/2012/06/03/obama-and-media-bias-once-more-into-the-tank/

http://markhumphrys.com/media.obama.html

https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/268841-pew-positive-media-coverage-of-obama-surged-in-campaigns-final-week

https://freebeacon.com/politics/comparing-media-portrays-trump-obama-magazine-covers/

Then there's the empirical evidence...the NYT said McCain had a mistress, the media said that Romney objectified women because he kept a binder of resumes of impressive women on him. On the 2008 election night, a CNN reporter wept with joy at Obama's election, Chris Mathews with the tingle up his leg, etc...

Not everything that makes your side look bad, is a lie.

I don't lie. I don't have to. My goal isn't to always defend one side or the other, so I can happily easily embrace things that (in my opinion) make conservatives look bad, like opposition to gay marriage. When you aren't blindly married to one ideology or the other, there's no reason to lie. You are the one who needs to lie, because you can't accept any truth which doesn't paint liberalism in a favorable light. I willingly go wherever the truth and common sense take me, which is why I agree with liberals on gay marriage and the death penalty and to a lesser extent, gun control. And it's why I can say with 100% certainty, that every TV station except one, is obviously in the tank for the democrats.

And it's why I can say with 100% certainty, that every TV station except one, is obviously in the tank for the democrats.

Show me the data that shows that statement is true

yep many felt that way about obama for very different reasons .. No we the government we deserve when individuals like yourself would rather throw stuff from the peanut gallery. and see no evil speak no evil hear no evil .. then actually pay attention

So this response is highlighting exactly why the peanut gallery exists. I pay attention but have never made it my life mission to point out every indiscretion that occurs politically on a daily basis. However, I do have time to point out people who make fools of themselves under the guise of “making a difference.” This is you,thanks for keeping up the good work. You are party blind and you don’t even realize it,what a joke.
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You constantly say the Dems. are bad yet what the Repubs do is far worse. Saying the Dems. hate the country, treasonous, etc.

Seriously Paul,? You can’t be that stupid so stop pretending you are.
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You constantly say the Dems. are bad yet what the Repubs do is far worse. Saying the Dems. hate the country, treasonous, etc.

"most are blue collar and don't make what you do "

I'm, not the plutocrat you think I am. I have a white collar job, I work in a cubicle not in a fancy office, and I have a staff of two. I'm low, low level management. I'm not going to get into details, but you don't need to be making huge bucks to realize that kind of savings.

Here's a CBS story, showing that a single mom making less than 40k a year, saved over $100 a month. So your insinuation that you need to be wealthy to save what I saved, doesn't hold water.

GOD FORBID you zealots just say, "I hate Trump, but you gotta give him credit, the cuts are helping regular people."

I'm not sure it's accurate to say I'm bragging, I'm responding to the kool aid drinkers who can't admit what the actual impact of the cuts were.

"everyone else is just seeing the deficit balloon"

Bullsh*t. Almost all of us got something.

"the Repubs. cried bc Obama tried to stimulate the economy - fing hypocrites"

Not me. I give him credit all the time for helping the economy recover. Plenty of hypocrites on my side. What you fail to admit, is that there are also hypocrites on your side, how are crying about the debt, when they didn't care when Obama racked up debt as well. Plenty of hypocrisy. Not by me, I can only control me.

"Romney basically said he would never care about 47% of the country"

NOT EVEN CLOSE TO WHAT HE SAID. What he said (something like, 47% won't work so you can't help them?) was stupid, and he deserved criticism for it. But the liberal attacks began long before that idiotic statement.

"How many times do we have to remind you of that?"

Zero, because you're remembering history very wrong.

"Look at the classless, lying thing the Repubs. say about Dems"

SO you aren't denying democrats do it, you're just saying we all do it. I agree. So let's all stop pretending that only one side does it. Deal?
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/how-the-tax-bill-will-affect-three-american-families/

So this response is highlighting exactly why the peanut gallery exists. I pay attention but have never made it my life mission to point out every indiscretion that occurs politically on a daily basis. However, I do have time to point out people who make fools of themselves under the guise of “making a difference.” This is you,thanks for keeping up the good work. You are party blind and you don’t even realize it,what a joke.
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Funny a blind man calling others blind . And what difference do you think you are making .. besides adding C02 to the atmosphere... You hold a lot of positions on people but nothing on policies funny how that is
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Seriously Paul,? You can’t be that stupid so stop pretending you are.
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Haven't we seen repeatedly how stupid you are? I've just commented on another thread about your post. It shows your lack of intelligence. You demonstrate that constantly and I wonder why you bother posting to show people that. You're like a whiney old lady who doesn't know what to add but gets mad so she comments about people's posts w/o discussing the subject.

"most are blue collar and don't make what you do "

I'm, not the plutocrat you think I am. I have a white collar job, I work in a cubicle not in a fancy office, and I have a staff of two. I'm low, low level management. I'm not going to get into details, but you don't need to be making huge bucks to realize that kind of savings. Trusty me I know what actuaries make - and it is more than most of the people on this forum.


"everyone else is just seeing the deficit balloon"

Bullsh*t. Almost all of us got something. true, but for most it was peanuts. The majority went to rich and corps.

"the Repubs. cried bc Obama tried to stimulate the economy - fing hypocrites"

Not me. I give him credit all the time for helping the economy recover. Plenty of hypocrites on my side. What you fail to admit, is that there are also hypocrites on your sideof course there are., how are crying about the debt, when they didn't care when Obama racked up debt as well. The economy was in totally different shape. Plenty of hypocrisy. Not by me, I can only control me.

"Romney basically said he would never care about 47% of the country"

NOT EVEN CLOSE TO WHAT HE SAID. What he said (something like, 47% won't work so you can't help them?) was stupid, and he deserved criticism for it. But the liberal attacks began long before that idiotic statement.Pull up the whole quote and we can discuss it bc that it not what he said.

"How many times do we have to remind you of that?"

Zero, because you're remembering history very wrong. pull up the quote.

"Look at the classless, lying thing the Repubs. say about Dems"

SO you aren't denying democrats do it, you're just saying we all do it. I agree. So let's all stop pretending that only one side does it. Deal?
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/how-the-tax-bill-will-affect-three-american-families/

I think both parties do it (but the Repubs. do it more). I'll admit that but you constantly pull the victim card and claim the Dems. do it and not the Repubs.

I think both parties do it (but the Repubs. do it more). I'll admit that but you constantly pull the victim card and claim the Dems. do it and not the Repubs.

"Trusty me I know what actuaries make - and it is more than most of the people on this forum."

Well trust me, I am me and not them. I have family needs that limit the hours I can work and which limit how high I can go. I work in a small cubicle with two kids working for me. I'm not even an AVP, I'm below that. I'm not complaining, I'm just saying that you aren't in a position to make accurate assumptions about my situation. I know what average actuaries make at my age, I'm not there for personal reasons. I posted that a woman making less than 40k is saving more than half of what I saved. So you don't need to be making a ton of money to save $200 a month.

"for most it was peanuts. The majority went to rich and corps."

I disagree it's peanuts for most. But I agree with you 100% that more should have gone to the middle class. That's a very fair thing to say.

Paul, also note that the majority of
my $200/month savings did not come from lower rates in my income bracket. i benefitted primarily from the significant expansion of child tax credits, and i have three dependent children. Maybe all of my reduction came from that?
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I have no idea. Not sure I benefit at all or how much until I do my taxes. Prop. taxes are very, very high where I live. No more mortgage deduction. We'll see.

I have no idea. Not sure I benefit at all or how much until I do my taxes. Prop. taxes are very, very high where I live. No more mortgage deduction. We'll see.

i do know that most of
my benefit was from child tax credits. any benefit i got from lower income tax rates, was likely offset by limiting my ability to deduct the massive state/local taxes i enjoy in CT.

why no more mortgage deduction for you?
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Firstly, the tax decrease occured the same paycheck I got my work raise so I haven't really tried to figure out the impact of the 2.

I had a 20 year mortgage and paid it off a little early. I am extremely fortunate in never ever having to pay any interest other than mortgage interest.

Firstly, the tax decrease occured the same paycheck I got my work raise so I haven't really tried to figure out the impact of the 2.

I had a 20 year mortgage and paid it off a little early. I am extremely fortunate in never ever having to pay any interest other than mortgage interest.

i’d call that smart and fortunate. congratulations! One heck of an accomplishment, one heck of a milestone.
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how our cousins see Trump..


Sitting up here in Canada I am amazed how good this guy is.
You have the best health care ever......all those coal miners are back to work......the wall Mexico is paying for is marvelous.......the middle class is getting richer......the deficit is falling by leaps and bounds!!!
Best president ever and if you don't believe me ...... just ask him!!

Well this is How Americans see Canadians, so I'm not to worried. :hee:

https://youtu.be/ssCZWBtwUTI
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how our cousins see Trump..


Sitting up here in Canada I am amazed how good this guy is.
You have the best health care ever......all those coal miners are back to work......the wall Mexico is paying for is marvelous.......the middle class is getting richer......the deficit is falling by leaps and bounds!!!
Best president ever and if you don't believe me ...... just ask him!!

who gives a sh*t?
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who gives a sh*t?
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Clearly you don't .... are you suggesting anything he said was not true

Clearly you don't .... are you suggesting anything he said was not true

what one canadian said? you’re right, i don’t. you’re telling me that if i posted something critical that a canadian said about obama, that would mean something to you?

trump isnt a perfect president, and he’s not a good guy. so who are you trying to convince here?

i notice that canadian jackass didn’t say anything about unemployment. god forbid we judge trump honestly. tou can be honest, and still critical. i do it all the time. you people are deranged, totally consumed with loathing.
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The guy isn’t happy unless he is throwing rocks Jim. Next thing you know he will be at the border lobbing insults at agents. Wrong party...mindless drone
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what one canadian said? you’re right, i don’t. you’re telling me that if i posted something critical that a canadian said about obama, that would mean something to you?

trump isnt a perfect president, and he’s not a good guy. so who are you trying to convince here?

i notice that canadian jackass didn’t say anything about unemployment. god forbid we judge trump honestly. tou can be honest, and still critical. i do it all the time. you people are deranged, totally consumed with loathing.
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As I have said before any POTUS is judge on the totality of their actions TRUMP IS NO different you keep pointing out the good and I will keep pointing out the bad

Not sure how us people are deranged and consumed by hate by exposing Trumps lies and his actions

But your position is some how more Honorable ?

The guy isn’t happy unless he is throwing rocks Jim. Next thing you know he will be at the border lobbing insults at agents. Wrong party...mindless drone
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A complement comming from the Number 1 insult rock thrower on the site ...

A ture keyboard warrior

As I have said before any POTUS is judge on the totality of their actions TRUMP IS NO different you keep pointing out the good and I will keep pointing out the bad

Not sure how us people are deranged and consumed by hate by exposing Trumps lies and his actions

But your position is some how more Honorable ?

i point outmthe good
and the bad. because there is good and bad. you ignore the good and obsess about the bad. you’re irrational and deranged about the guy.

for you to say i only post the good,..i no longer have any words for that.
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i point outmthe good
and the bad. because there is good and bad. you ignore the good and obsess about the bad. you’re irrational and deranged about the guy.

for you to say i only post the good,..i no longer have any words for that.
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Jim your all over the map... you try way to hardtop present yourself as some how objective when it comes to Trump .. I clearly am not

You say you see the bad but your obses about what litte good your can find and try to mold it in to how you see the guy ... then pat yourself on the back for your efforts to look objective

But anyone who pushes back against this image of Trump you offer ( which you are free to do by the way ) is seen as an irrational and deranged about the guy. And others

Were you looking in the mirror when you wrote that ? You do know that last line sounds like the last 8 years with you and Obama .... I doubt you see the parallels

As I said I will continue to point out trumps failings they are not hard to find and he creates them daily .. and I'll be on the look out for his positive actions ,, I might see big foot 1st but there is always a chance Trump will flip flop on something and it will be good

Jim your all over the map... you try way to hardtop present yourself as some how objective when it comes to Trump .. I clearly am not

You say you see the bad but your obses about what litte good your can find and try to mold it in to how you see the guy ... then pat yourself on the back for your efforts to look objective

But anyone who pushes back against this image of Trump you offer ( which you are free to do by the way ) is seen as an irrational and deranged about the guy. And others

Were you looking in the mirror when you wrote that ? You do know that last line sounds like the last 8 years with you and Obama .... I doubt you see the parallels

As I said I will continue to point out trumps failings they are not hard to find and he creates them daily .. and I'll be on the look out for his positive actions ,, I might see big foot 1st but there is always a chance Trump will flip flop on something and it will be good

i don’t obsess about the good, i routinely point out the bad. again, i can i lynwinder about your reading comprehension, not sure what else it could
be. i do not avoid criticizing the guy. but he’s not Hitler either. our constitution is still completely intact, the separation of powers and checks and balances are still exactly in tact, he’s no kind of existential threat to our republic, but that’s not what you hear at cnn or nbc or msnbc.

he’s a sleazy guy, and a boorish vindictive baby. he’s also putting a LOT of blacks and hispanics back to work. liberals will not credit him for that, because they can’t give credit to someone they don’t like. if hilary had done this, she’d have a nobel prize in economics under her belt by now.

you’re irrational, and if you think i ibsessniver the good, then you don’t have any idea what the word ‘obsess’ means.

i hates just about everything about obama, his personality and his policies and his hatred for everything i care about. but i bet i didn’t dwell on him one tenth as
much as you andmoete dwell in trump. it’s something to see. nor did i have any trouble praising obama for his handling of the economy and if terrorists. he did a good job there, and i’m thankful
for it. see? that’s what being ‘objective’ looks like.
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Objectively you repeat the standard Trumplican lie about minority unemployment every time.
The data shows that unemployment continued to fall under Trump albeit at a slightly lower rate than under Obama. I would expect that given how low it is.
It will be interesting in the next two years to see what happens as the real Trump economy shows it’s colors.
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i don’t obsess about the good, i routinely point out the bad. again, i can i lynwinder about your reading comprehension, not sure what else it could
be. i do not avoid criticizing the guy. but he’s not Hitler either. our constitution is still completely intact, the separation of powers and checks and balances are still exactly in tact, he’s no kind of existential threat to our republic, but that’s not what you hear at cnn or nbc or msnbc.

he’s a sleazy guy, and a boorish vindictive baby. he’s also putting a LOT of blacks and hispanics back to work. liberals will not credit him for that, because they can’t give credit to someone they don’t like. if hilary had done this, she’d have a nobel prize in economics under her belt by now.

you’re irrational, and if you think i ibsessniver the good, then you don’t have any idea what the word ‘obsess’ means.

i hates just about everything about obama, his personality and his policies and his hatred for everything i care about. but i bet i didn’t dwell on him one tenth as
much as you andmoete dwell in trump. it’s something to see. nor did i have any trouble praising obama for his handling of the economy and if terrorists. he did a good job there, and i’m thankful
for it. see? that’s what being ‘objective’ looks like.
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Why bother
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Jim your all over the map... you try way to hardtop present yourself as some how objective when it comes to Trump .. I clearly am not

You say you see the bad but your obses about what litte good your can find and try to mold it in to how you see the guy ... then pat yourself on the back for your efforts to look objective

But anyone who pushes back against this image of Trump you offer ( which you are free to do by the way ) is seen as an irrational and deranged about the guy. And others

Were you looking in the mirror when you wrote that ? You do know that last line sounds like the last 8 years with you and Obama .... I doubt you see the parallels

As I said I will continue to point out trumps failings they are not hard to find and he creates them daily .. and I'll be on the look out for his positive actions ,, I might see big foot 1st but there is always a chance Trump will flip flop on something and it will be good
So you were not pleased when the remains of servicemen were finally brought home to be laid to rest ?

Too much eggnog for you today as you hit submit after a 1st grader stole your laptop.
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So you were not pleased when the remains of servicemen were finally brought home to be laid to rest ?

Too much eggnog for you today as you hit submit after a 1st grader stole your laptop.
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Clearly you see that as something special Trump did ...

I saw it for is was the duty of any POTUS to bring all service members if they can do so .. it wasn't special

So yes a positive outcome for Trumps Image ...and closure from those family's but since then he has done little to improve his image or his admistration which has a revolving door

Objectively you repeat the standard Trumplican lie about minority unemployment every time.
The data shows that unemployment continued to fall under Trump albeit at a slightly lower rate than under Obama. I would expect that given how low it is.
It will be interesting in the next two years to see what happens as the real Trump economy shows it’s colors.
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oh it’s a lie that black unemployment is lower than ever?

you disprove that, by saying that black u employment started decreasing under obama. i never denied that. BUT ITS LOWER NOW, UNDER TRUMP. is that a lie, or is it true?
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oh it’s a lie that black unemployment is lower than ever?

you disprove that, by saying that black u employment started decreasing under obama. i never denied that. BUT ITS LOWER NOW, UNDER TRUMP. is that a lie, or is it true?
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It’s not a lie but it’s nothing as amazing as you and the rest of the Trumplicans have claimed to have a continuation of what happened to a far greater extent over the previous 6 years when Trump continually claimed the numbers were fake.
Funny that now they are not only real but worthy of braggadocio.
Pretty soon we’ll be in the Trump economy, but I’m sure any failures will be others fault.
I’ll just sit and watch you, while doing my Mike Pence imitation.
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It’s not a lie but it’s nothing as amazing as you and the rest of the Trumplicans have claimed to have a continuation of what happened to a far greater extent over the previous 6 years when Trump continually claimed the numbers were fake.
Funny that now they are not only real but worthy of braggadocio.
Pretty soon we’ll be in the Trump economy, but I’m sure any failures will be others fault.
I’ll just sit and watch you, while doing my Mike Pence imitation.
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ten seconds ago you said it was a lie. it’s mathematical fact. you just hate it. tough cookies.

and obamas killing of bi. laden was a continuation of many policies that bush put in place. but i give obama much credit. try it, try being rational and fair. you won’t die.
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ten seconds ago you said it was a lie. it’s mathematical fact. you just hate it. tough cookies.

and obamas killing of bi. laden was a continuation of many policies that bush put in place. but i give obama much credit. try it, try being rational and fair. you won’t die.
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Keep believing
The spin is BS, at best an exaggeration
Remember Trump said the numbers are fake, unemployment is actually much higher.
Remember all the Democrats sat and therefore Republicans like minoritys more or should be liked more by minoritys
Meanwhile Trump alienates all but his base at best, 40% of the electorate
Keep thinking Individual #1 has your best interests at heart.

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Keep believing
The spin is BS, at best an exaggeration
Remember Trump said the numbers are fake, unemployment is actually much higher.
Remember all the Democrats sat and therefore Republicans like minoritys more or should be liked more by minoritys
Meanwhile Trump alienates all but his base at best, 40% of the electorate
Keep thinking Individual #1 has your best interests at heart.

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This is gibberish.

Clearly you see that as something special Trump did ...

I saw it for is was the duty of any POTUS to bring all service members if they can do so .. it wasn't special

So yes a positive outcome for Trumps Image ...and closure from those family's but since then he has done little to improve his image or his admistration which has a revolving door

I was pleased Trump was able to bring them home. This has nothing to do with image. My guess is that there were many families and colleagues who thought it was special. But when you said you were waiting for positive action I thought this action would qualify. Would you put this action above or below trading prisoners for Bowe Bergdahl?
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I was pleased Trump was able to bring them home. This has nothing to do with image. My guess is that there were many families and colleagues who thought it was special. But when you said you were waiting for positive action I thought this action would qualify. Would you put this action above or below trading prisoners for Bowe Bergdahl?
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As i said its the duty of any sitting POTUS to bring any service member home dead or alive ...

We leave no one behind... even Bowe Bergdahl? who was court martial and dishonorably discharged...


Found this relevant

Mr. Trump’s comments may have contributed to the decision not to sentence him to prison. After Mr. Trump seemed last month to endorse his harsh criticism from the campaign trail, Colonel Nance ruled that he would consider the comments as mitigating evidence at sentencing. some military law experts said, on the grounds that the president had unlawfully influenced the case.

if i could only believe Trump is driven by doing the right thing in what he does ...

But 99% of what he does and say's is for image ... that's his character..

all former POTUS have done and said things for image but clearly they never saw it as a way to govern as Trump see it and uses it...

As i said its the duty of any sitting POTUS to bring any service member home dead or alive ...

We leave no one behind... even Bowe Bergdahl? who was court martial and dishonorably discharged
Found this relevant

Mr. Trump’s comments may have contributed to the decision not to sentence him to prison. After Mr. Trump seemed last month to endorse his harsh criticism from the campaign trail, Colonel Nance ruled that he would consider the comments as mitigating evidence at sentencing. some military law experts said, on the grounds that the president had unlawfully influenced the case.

if i could only believe Trump is driven by doing the right thing in what he does ...

But 99% of what he does and say's is for image ... that's his character..

all former POTUS have done and said things for image but clearly they never saw it as a way to govern as Trump see it and uses it...

So he was able to accomplish something that his predecessors could not get done. You,as is par for the course,fail to recognize that as something positive, despite the fact it heals the nation and certainly the families directly involved. No surprise here as you have an agenda to uphold. Party blind as usual. To think that you put this on the same table as negotiating with terrorists says a lot about your intellectual integrity.
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So he was able to accomplish something that his predecessors could not get done. You,as is par for the course,fail to recognize that as something positive, despite the fact it heals the nation and certainly the families directly involved. No surprise here as you have an agenda to uphold. Party blind as usual.
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Bingo. Trump could save babies from a burning building (not that I'd expect that he'd do that), and they wouldn't give him credit. They can't, they just can't.

Bingo. Trump could save babies from a burning building (not that I'd expect that he'd do that), and they wouldn't give him credit. They can't, they just can't.

Poor Trumplicans, abused by everyone.
You reap, what you sow.
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Poor Trumplicans, abused by everyone.
You reap, what you sow.
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Your conception of reaping is very narrow. We are reaping the fruits of the Progressive attack on the Constitution, as was warned many times. But the grab of power was far more important to them than any consequences to them and the rest of us. So now we are reaping unsustainable debt, identity politics, creation of dozens and a growing number of non-biological genders, unchecked federal power, weakening of the middle class, loss of individual rights, loss of local and state sovereignty as well as a direction of losing our nation's sovereignty to a world order, among several other things . . . including Donald Trump.

Your conception of reaping is very narrow. We are reaping the fruits of the Progressive attack on the Constitution, as was warned many times. But the grab of power was far more important to them than any consequences to them and the rest of us. So now we are reaping unsustainable debt, identity politics, creation of dozens and a growing number of non-biological genders, unchecked federal power, weakening of the middle class, loss of individual rights, loss of local and state sovereignty as well as a direction of losing our nation's sovereignty to a world order, among several other things . . . including Donald Trump.

What I think Jim was commenting on was Trumps treatment in or by the media.
Where did you get the Progressive tangent from in that?
I would claim that Trump is the result of failed neo-liberal policies, myself.

What I think Jim was commenting on was Trumps treatment in or by the media.
Where did you get the Progressive tangent from in that?

When you said (or implied--hard to get definitive about vague comments) that "Trumplicans" reap what they sow, I replied that your conception of reaping was very narrow (i.e. Trump and his treatment of and by the media). Trump is but a tail end of what we're reaping by the Progressive transformation of our system of government from a limited central government to a fairly unstoppable one. The "reaping" is much wider and deeper than Trump and his media squabbles.


I would claim that Trump is the result of failed neo-liberal policies, myself.

We do agree on that but not merely because of failed policies. Actually successful policies have also, and more so, changed this country in ways that led to the Trump "backlash." But that would require a real, in depth discussion, not back and forth, superficial, quips.

And the moniker "neo-liberal" does not deserve the "liberal" portion. Neo-authoritarian would be far more appropriate.

So he was able to accomplish something that his predecessors could not get done. You,as is par for the course,fail to recognize that as something positive, despite the fact it heals the nation and certainly the families directly involved. No surprise here as you have an agenda to uphold. Party blind as usual. To think that you put this on the same table as negotiating with terrorists says a lot about your intellectual integrity.
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when your argument is .. I have agenda to uphold what's yours insults and drive by's ?



I said it was not special .. it did give closure for those family's

unlike you I judge him on the totality of his actions not the one time he did something positive..

"To think that you put this on the same table as negotiating with terrorists says a lot about your intellectual integrity."

Seem you forgot who Trump went to visit in North korea and negotiated with to have those remains returned and you what does that say about your your intellectual integrity."

funny I saw it as POTUS duty to get thoses men home .. you see it ok for Trump to deal with Kim but Not Obama with the taliban to get an american home ... ???


U.S. Officials Meet With Taliban Again as Trump Pushes Afghan Peace Process OMG say it ain't so!!! Trump negotiates with terrorist

when your argument is .. I have agenda to uphold what's yours insults and drive by's ?



I said it was not special .. it did give closure for those family's

unlike you I judge him on the totality of his actions not the one time he did something positive..

"To think that you put this on the same table as negotiating with terrorists says a lot about your intellectual integrity."

Seem you forgot who Trump went to visit in North korea and negotiated with to have those remains returned and you what does that say about your your intellectual integrity."

funny I saw it as POTUS duty to get thoses men home .. you see it ok for Trump to deal with Kim but Not Obama with the taliban to get an american home ... ???


U.S. Officials Meet With Taliban Again as Trump Pushes Afghan Peace Process OMG say it ain't so!!! Trump negotiates with terrorist

When you said you would be on the lookout for his positive actions I thought pointing out a positive action might be a good reminder. Instead of conceding this was a positive action you decided to say it was his duty. If Obama had done this the left would have given him the Nobel peace prize. Can it not be both his duty as well as a positive action given the fact it had been close to 50 years and none of his predecessors had fulfilled their “duty”?
The fact you characterize a deserter in the same breath as those who made the ultimate sacrifice says a mouthful about your personal integrity. Truly disgraceful.
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You reap, what you sow.
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HW Bush deserved to be called a wimp and an adulterer? McCain deserved to be called a senile old racist? Romney deserved to be called a sexist?

Trump is an example of YOU reaping what YOU sow.

He's not a victim. Maybe you hadn't heard, but he won the election.

unlike you I judge him on the totality of his actions

What's the most complimentary thing you've said about him thus far? That he's Hitler?

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You reap, what you sow.
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So how do you explain the fact that the GOP controls the white house, the senate, and a majority of state legislatures and governorships?

Is this your side, reaping what they sow? Or does that phrase only apply to the GOP when they lose, not to democrats?

So how do you explain the fact that the GOP controls the white house, the senate, and a majority of state legislatures and governorships?

Is this your side, reaping what they sow? Or does that phrase only apply to the GOP when they lose, not to democrats?

Sometimes you get lucky. Republicans received far less than half of the votes cast in the midterms. Demographics are looking down for the Trumplican base. It won't hold long term, fear-mongering and division is not a way to grow a party. But your feckless leader doesn't care, since he will no longer be in office.

It applies when Trump and Trumplicans complain about their mistreatment from the many Trump has abused since he started his campaign.
Trump has been calling the media fake, anytime he did not like their coverage, since he started his campaign. Yet he expects to have them celebrate his exaggerated accomplishments without ever questioning them. As I have said many times he already praises himself more than he deserves, the man gave himself a grade higher than A+.
If you honestly think that Trump has done anything to ensure the long term viability of the Republican party, you spend too much time watching right wing media. He serves his base and does nothing to expand it.
Just look how wonderful Stephen Miller did yesterday, he is one of the least empathetic people I have ever seen, I can't believe they let him loose to speak in public. He is a living caricature of "hatred corrodes the container it is carried in".

The fact you characterize a deserter in the same breath as those who made the ultimate sacrifice says a mouthful about your personal integrity. Truly disgraceful.
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Unlike you I don't pick and choose which Americans DESERVE TO COME HOME over others . What's it like to ride on such a high horse and to be so arrogant willing to Leave any American in the hands of an enemy . For 1 min no less 5 years

Some leader you would have made if you were ever in the service .. willing to leaving men behind and you speak of personal integrity. As if you know what it means


Ps

The U.S. Army has prosecuted about 1,900 cases of desertion since 2001, despite tens of thousands of soldiers fleeing the service in the face of deadly combat, long and multiple deployments in Iraq and Afghanistan

Unlike you I don't pick and choose which Americans DESERVE TO COME HOME over others . What's it like to ride on such a high horse and to be so arrogant willing to Leave any American in the hands of an enemy . For 1 min no less 5 years

Some leader you would have made if you were ever in the service .. willing to leaving men behind and you speak of personal integrity. As if you know what it means


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The U.S. Army has prosecuted about 1,900 cases of desertion since 2001, despite tens of thousands of soldiers fleeing the service in the face of deadly combat, long and multiple deployments in Iraq and Afghanistan

To compare the two is laughable. But nice try in your effort to once again change the narrative of the discussion to one you feign outrage over. Your head must be spinning as usual. We didn’t just bring him back as you know. I also don’t remember saying or even implying that we leave him. Where do you come up with this? Get back to our discussion and stop looking for bushes to hide in.
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Sometimes you get lucky. Republicans received far less than half of the votes cast in the midterms. Demographics are looking down for the Trumplican base. It won't hold long term, fear-mongering and division is not a way to grow a party. But your feckless leader doesn't care, since he will no longer be in office.

It applies when Trump and Trumplicans complain about their mistreatment from the many Trump has abused since he started his campaign.
Trump has been calling the media fake, anytime he did not like their coverage, since he started his campaign. Yet he expects to have them celebrate his exaggerated accomplishments without ever questioning them. As I have said many times he already praises himself more than he deserves, the man gave himself a grade higher than A+.
If you honestly think that Trump has done anything to ensure the long term viability of the Republican party, you spend too much time watching right wing media. He serves his base and does nothing to expand it.
Just look how wonderful Stephen Miller did yesterday, he is one of the least empathetic people I have ever seen, I can't believe they let him loose to speak in public. He is a living caricature of "hatred corrodes the container it is carried in".

i see! when your side wins, it’s just reaping what you sow. when my side wins, it’s not reaping what you sow, itsbthat ugly politics of division got lucky. in all those state races, in the senate seats that flipped for the gop, there’s no message there for you side, nope.

trump bashing also won’t work forever. democrats will need an agenda other than claiming that trump is genghis khan and that we need the dems to protect us from him.
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Trump will destroy himself and the Trumplicans along with him.
Unfortunately they will take the Republican Party down with them
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Trump will destroy himself and the Trumplicans along with him.
Unfortunately they will take the Republican Party down with them
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The re-incarnation of Nostradamus speaks!! The Trumplicans will all be destroyed!! Sounds like a biblical prophecy.

Trump will destroy himself and the Trumplicans along with him.
Unfortunately they will take the Republican Party down with them
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So far, the numbers are crystal clear, Trump hasn't done anywhere near as much damage to the GOP, as Obama did to the democrats, in his first two years. No comparison in terms of seats lost, not even close. When Obama left, the democrats held fewer federal and state offices, than at any time in decades. Obama pulverized the democrats all across the map, I wonder sometimes if he was a Republican plant

The collapse you are desperate for, may happen over time. Trump is very offensive and polarizing. But the collapse you clearly yearn for, hasn't happened after two years.

If Trump runs again in 2020, the dems may have a really good night. But it's always temporary, neither side holds power unilaterally for long. After the 2008 election, Obama was in the white house, and the democrats controlled the house, and had a filibuster proof majority on the senate. Politically speaking, it was the low point of my life. It lasted a very short while.

The two parties are having trouble nominating moderates with broad appeal.

Trump will destroy himself and the Trumplicans along with him.
Unfortunately they will take the Republican Party down with them
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Are all Republicans Trumplicans in your eyes? Do you know how many people didn't vote for him in the primary? A lot.

To compare the two is laughable. But nice try in your effort to once again change the narrative of the discussion to one you feign outrage over. Your head must be spinning as usual. We didn’t just bring him back as you know. I also don’t remember saying or even implying that we leave him. Where do you come up with this? Get back to our discussion and stop looking for bushes to hide in.
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And I never compared him to the fallen .. you clearly. Have “ to compare the two is laughable “ so let’s get back discussions You brought the Korean remains into the conversation and bergdahl not I

So as I said it it the duty of any sitting potus to do whatever he can do to bring home any Americans home regardless if they died In combat or not .. it’s not debatable

All service members their families and the nation must have no doubts and have confidence that USA will do what’s required to bring every one home..

once home if actions of individuals were unlawful in the eyes of the UCMJ that’s when it gets resolved.

The perception of UCMJ violations should not delay attempts at repatriation ..

Clearly you feel it was wrong of Obama to make the deal for berghdal

But no issues with Trump dealing with Kim to have those remains returned

You made the comparison sacrifice good deal / deserter bad deal

It’s very clear
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And I never compared him to the fallen .. you clearly. Have “ to compare the two is laughable “ so let’s get back discussions You brought the Korean remains into the conversation and bergdahl not I

So as I said it it the duty of any sitting potus to do whatever he can do to bring home any Americans home regardless if they died In combat or not .. it’s not debatable

All service members their families and the nation must have no doubts and have confidence that USA will do what’s required to bring every one home..

once home if actions of individuals were unlawful in the eyes of the UCMJ that’s when it gets resolved.

The perception of UCMJ violations should not delay attempts at repatriation ..

Clearly you feel it was wrong of Obama to make the deal for berghdal

But no issues with Trump dealing with Kim to have those remains returned

You made the comparison sacrifice good deal / deserter bad deal

It’s very clear
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This is a discussion where you said you were waiting for a positive action from Trump. I provided the example of bringing home our fallen servicemen ,which took many years as well as many administrations to accomplish. You trivialized it.....wonder why

Wrong party is my guess.

You proceeded by smearing the accomplishment by bringing NK into the discussion despite insisting it is our duty to bring home all of our men regardless. A dizzying display of partisanship. Yes we are obligated to bring them all back. Yes it was a bad deal to bring back this deserter,we lost 6 good men bringing back a soldier who turned his back on his comrades,such a shame. Compound this by trading a handful of bad guys in order to secure the release and it is a terrible deal.
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And I never compared him to the fallen .. you clearly. Have “ to compare the two is laughable “ so let’s get back discussions You brought the Korean remains into the conversation and bergdahl not I

So as I said it it the duty of any sitting potus to do whatever he can do to bring home any Americans home regardless if they died In combat or not .. it’s not debatable

All service members their families and the nation must have no doubts and have confidence that USA will do what’s required to bring every one home..

once home if actions of individuals were unlawful in the eyes of the UCMJ that’s when it gets resolved.

The perception of UCMJ violations should not delay attempts at repatriation ..

Clearly you feel it was wrong of Obama to make the deal for berghdal

But no issues with Trump dealing with Kim to have those remains returned

You made the comparison sacrifice good deal / deserter bad deal

It’s very clear
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I really want to stay out of your pissing match, but I didn't realize we sacrificed something to have the remains returned.

And, personally, I would rather we go get our captured soldier, using whatever force, "whatever he can do to bring home" as you put it, than to trade for some who have murdered us and let them be free to do so again.

Are all Republicans Trumplicans in your eyes? Do you know how many people didn't vote for him in the primary? A lot.

Not I
Nor a large number of people I know
But Trumplicans continue to support him
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Not I
Nor a large number of people I know
But Trumplicans continue to support him
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They say he's a good guy? Or that he's a good president?

I would never, ever have voted for him in the primary - never. But I voted for him in the general. I think he's a disgusting human being, who is doing a good job as president. Does that make me a Trumplican? I said the same exact thing about Bill Clinton. Does that make me a diehard liberal, as well as a Trumplican?

They say he's a good guy? Or that he's a good president?

I would never, ever have voted for him in the primary - never. But I voted for him in the general. I think he's a disgusting human being, who is doing a good job as president. Does that make me a Trumplican? I said the same exact thing about Bill Clinton. Does that make me a diehard liberal, as well as a Trumplican?

Jim, I think by "Trumplican" Pete means someone who supports Trump. So, if you support Trump, even just as a good President, you're what he calls a Trumplican.

If he means something other than that, something sarcastic and belittling, that would be trespassing his own distaste for name calling. You know . . . like being a hypocrite.

Jim, I think by "Trumplican" Pete means someone who supports Trump. So, if you support Trump, even just as a good President, you're what he calls a Trumplican.

If he means something other than that, something sarcastic and belittling, that would be trespassing his own distaste for name calling. You know . . . like being a hypocrite.

Curious how he will respond.

Not to be confused with a Trumplethinskin. That’s like a snowflake ... but you know... hates a lot of things and has lots of guns. Probably has a 10th grade education but thinks he knows everything. :hidin:
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I really want to stay out of your pissing match, but I didn't realize we sacrificed something to have the remains returned.

And, personally, I would rather we go get our captured soldier, using whatever force, "whatever he can do to bring home" as you put it, than to trade for some who have murdered us and let them be free to do so again.

Who said we sacrificed anything with North Korea I think they gave the ultimate sacrifice was how it was used

We traded our combatant for their combatants. That’s what happen in combat .. the goal is to kill the enemy

You call them murders what do you think we are to them?
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Curious how he will respond.

Detbuch is correct
Time will tell if it is sarcastic and belittling
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This is a discussion where you said you were waiting for a positive action from Trump. I provided the example of bringing home our fallen servicemen ,which took many years as well as many administrations to accomplish. You trivialized it.....wonder why


No I said it was not special it’s expected was it positive yes
Not sure why the rights need to wave Pom poms when Trump does
Positive when it should have been done regardless


Wrong party is my guess.

You proceeded by smearing the accomplishment by bringing NK into the discussion despite insisting it is our duty to bring home all of our men regardless.

You don’t follow we’ll you brought up dealing with terroist .. but no issue dealing with Kim Wrong party right



A dizzying display of partisanship. Yes we are obligated to bring them all back. Yes it was a bad deal to bring back this deserter,we lost 6 good men bringing back a soldier who turned his back on his comrades,such a shame. Compound this by trading a handful of bad guys in order to secure the release and it is a terrible deal.

So you do want to pick and choose who comes home and uninformed to boot

https://www.stripes.com/news/command-sergeant-major-no-troops-died-searching-for-bergdahl-1.402016

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Detbuch is correct
Time will tell if it is sarcastic and belittling
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As I said, I also think Bill Clinton was disgusting, who nonetheless did some good things with policy. So is there a derogatory name you assign to people who judge democratic presidents by the job they do rather than their personal behavior? Or is it acceptable to give democrats that benefit, and only a problem when we apply it to Republicans?

Not to be confused with a Trumplethinskin. That’s like a snowflake ... but you know... hates a lot of things and has lots of guns. Probably has a 10th grade education but thinks he knows everything. :hidin:
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Pretty sure you don't understand the term snowflake. When your side hasn't gotten their way, they formed Occupy Wall Street, Antifa, and Black Lives Matter. What's the republican equivalent of this? The Tea Party?

Probably has a 10th grade education but thinks he knows everything. :hidin:
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Hold on to that thought, especially when they start the whole "Give 16 year olds the right to vote" argument when they are upset at the outcome of an election. :hee:

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If you read enough about it you will find varying accounts regarding the loss of troops looking for the deserter.

Congratulations 🎉, you said something nice about our President.
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As I said, I also think Bill Clinton was disgusting, who nonetheless did some good things with policy. So is there a derogatory name you assign to people who judge democratic presidents by the job they do rather than their personal behavior? Or is it acceptable to give democrats that benefit, and only a problem when we apply it to Republicans?

Unfortunately it has nothing to do with democrats, but everything to do with what I believe we will learn in the coming months about Trump.

Pretty sure you don't understand the term snowflake. When your side hasn't gotten their way, they formed Occupy Wall Street, Antifa, and Black Lives Matter. What's the republican equivalent of this? The Tea Party?
Jim, those are all far from mainstream groups that the right has tried to stain anyone in the center or center left with.
You need look no further than the White House at Stephen Miller for a far to the right of center powerful republican operative.

Unfortunately it having consistent standards has nothing to do with democrats, but everything to do with what I believe we will learn in the coming months about Trump.

Fixed it for you.

Jim, those are all far from mainstream groups that the right has tried to stain anyone in the center or center left with.
You need look no further than the White House at Stephen Miller for a far to the right of center powerful republican operative.

"are all far from mainstream groups"

I wouldn't call them mainstream either, but not a million miles from mainstream, and almost no one on the left holds these people accountable for their actions. Because winning is what matters, not how you win.

"You need look no further than the White House at Stephen Miller for a far to the right of center powerful republican operative"

You say so. How powerful is he? I've never heard of him...

"are all far from mainstream groups"

I wouldn't call them mainstream either, but not a million miles from mainstream, and almost no one on the left holds these people accountable for their actions. Because winning is what matters, not how you win.

"You need look no further than the White House at Stephen Miller for a far to the right of center powerful republican operative"

You say so. How powerful is he? I've never heard of him...

Seriously?
Let me introduce Stephen Miller
Incidentally, if you suffer from hair loss, this is what not to do.
https://youtu.be/aLnHYFTad8I

We traded our combatant for their combatants. That’s what happen in combat .. the goal is to kill the enemy

That seems contradictory. If the goal is to kill the enemy, why do we trade with them? Is it a trade war, or a killing war? And who's goal of killing are we enhancing when we trade 5 of their killers who will return to the field of battle for one who is not willing to kill the enemy and has deserted our field of battle?

You call them murders what do you think we are to them?
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We are murderers as well. And I presume that engaging in a war with an enemy, our intention is to murder more of them then they kill of us. To enhance the enemy's ability to kill us, and not even get reciprocity in return, is an idiotic way to prosecute a war.

And the notion that the Bergdahl trade would enhance the chance that we could come to some peace agreement was an ignorant idea given the nature of the enemy. Going against the policy of not negotiating with terrorists, there was such a ridiculous rationale in the Obama administration, and its stupidity was demonstrated by the results.

As pointed out by the Daily Caller at the time"

"In direct contradiction to Secretary of Defense Chuck Hagel’s statement that the negotiations leading to Bergdahl’s release “will [maybe] be a new opening that can produce an agreement,” Taliban spokesman Zabihullah Mujahid said that “It won’t help the peace process in any way, because we don’t believe in the peace process.”
While the exchange has been hailed by the administration as an important diplomatic step, with one senior administration official saying “U.S. efforts to facilitate reconciliation with the Taliban began in November 2010, and since May 2011 the recovery of Sgt. Bergdahl has been a central element of our reconciliation efforts,” Taliban representatives have been less irenic, The Long War Journal reports.
Emir Mullah Mohammed Omar called the return of the detainees a “great victory” and a “huge and vivid triumph,” bringing “the glad tidings of liberation of the whole country [that] reassures us that our aspirations are on the verge of fulfillment.” He also thanked “the detainers and keepers of the American prisoner ‘Bergdahl'” for their “significant role in this colossal victory.”

Detbuch is correct
Time will tell if it is sarcastic and belittling
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If you intended it to be sarcastic and belittling, time will not change your intention.

Seriously?
Let me introduce Stephen Miller
Incidentally, if you suffer from hair loss, this is what not to do.
https://youtu.be/aLnHYFTad8I

So when a right-wing person advocates for the possibility of a shutdown, he's a right wing nut?

How about the shutdown of 2013, which right-wing nutjob caused that?

We are murderers as well. And I presume that engaging in a war with an enemy, our intention is to murder more of them then they kill of us. To enhance the enemy's ability to kill us, and not even get reciprocity in return, is an idiotic way to prosecute a war.

And the notion that the Bergdahl trade would enhance the chance that we could come to some peace agreement was an ignorant idea given the nature of the enemy. Going against the policy of not negotiating with terrorists, there was such a ridiculous rationale in the Obama administration, and its stupidity was demonstrated by the results.

As pointed out by the Daily Caller at the time"

"In direct contradiction to Secretary of Defense Chuck Hagel’s statement that the negotiations leading to Bergdahl’s release “will [maybe] be a new opening that can produce an agreement,” Taliban spokesman Zabihullah Mujahid said that “It won’t help the peace process in any way, because we don’t believe in the peace process.”
While the exchange has been hailed by the administration as an important diplomatic step, with one senior administration official saying “U.S. efforts to facilitate reconciliation with the Taliban began in November 2010, and since May 2011 the recovery of Sgt. Bergdahl has been a central element of our reconciliation efforts,” Taliban representatives have been less irenic, The Long War Journal reports.
Emir Mullah Mohammed Omar called the return of the detainees a “great victory” and a “huge and vivid triumph,” bringing “the glad tidings of liberation of the whole country [that] reassures us that our aspirations are on the verge of fulfillment.” He also thanked “the detainers and keepers of the American prisoner ‘Bergdahl'” for their “significant role in this colossal victory.”

White House Orders Direct Taliban Talks to Jump-Start Afghan Negotiations
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So when a right-wing person advocates for the possibility of a shutdown, he's a right wing nut?

How about the shutdown of 2013, which right-wing nutjob caused that?

Your name not mine, he and Bannon definitely authored the most extreme parts of Trumps agenda.

If you intended it to be sarcastic and belittling, time will not change your intention.
Time will tell how Trump and Trumplicans are viewed by history, I believe he has run one of the great cons of all time. Your opinion differs.

Time will tell how Trump and Trumplicans are viewed by history, I believe he has run one of the great cons of all time. Your opinion differs.

Time will tell,neither opinion is wrong.
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Pretty sure you don't understand the term snowflake. When your side hasn't gotten their way, they formed Occupy Wall Street, Antifa, and Black Lives Matter. What's the republican equivalent of this? The Tea Party?

I guess I have to ask some aspect of this weekly.

Pls. show me some proof that "our side" - I guess you mean the Dems. "formed" Antifa.

White House Orders Direct Taliban Talks to Jump-Start Afghan Negotiations
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This has nothing to do with the Bergdahl deal. What's your point?

Time will tell how Trump and Trumplicans are viewed by history, I believe he has run one of the great cons of all time. Your opinion differs.

The con being . . .

Your name not mine, he and Bannon definitely authored the most extreme parts of Trumps agenda.

What parts were "extreme"?

If you read enough about it you will find varying accounts regarding the loss of troops looking for the deserter.

Congratulations ��, you said something nice about our President.
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you are correct if you read enough theses varying accounts they are what we call alternative facts ..

I will stick with what the Command sergeant major said in the Stars and stripes article

The con being . . .

DON

DON

So the con is DON being DON?

So the con is DON being DON?
Don the Con started his long con in the media around November 1, 1976 before most here were born. He was still Swedish then. He's no better at the truth now. And I think his fingers are still just as sticky.

Don the Con started his long con in the media around November 1, 1976 before most here were born. He was still Swedish then. He's no better at the truth now. And I think his fingers are still just as sticky.

if it's OK for a boy to say he is a girl, I don't see a problem with someone claiming whatever ethnicity he chooses.

I guess I have to ask some aspect of this weekly.

Pls. show me some proof that "our side" - I guess you mean the Dems. "formed" Antifa.

So which side's political agenda was ANTIFA formed to advocate? Are they fighting for low taxes and school choice? It's a liberal advocacy group, Paul.

They're apolitical and criticized the Democrats many times
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if it's OK for a boy to say he is a girl, I don't see a problem with someone claiming whatever ethnicity he chooses.

Except perhaps Elizabeth Warren
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Except perhaps Elizabeth Warren
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If it's OK for a girl to say she's a boy, it's OK for Warren to say she is whatever she says she is. Apparently it has worked out for Warren's career for her to be a Cherokee. Guess, for you, it doesn't work for Trump to be a Swede.

you are correct if you read enough theses varying accounts they are what we call alternative facts ..

I will stick with what the Command sergeant major said in the Stars and stripes article

Ha, glad you know what fake news is. I will stick with what retired GENERAL Michael Flynn said... as well as soldiers involved in the effort to find him. Not to
Mention officers who told cnn that we suffered 8 additional casualties at combat outpost Keating due to resources dedicated to finding your hero.
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Ha, glad you know what fake news is. I will stick with what retired GENERAL Michael Flynn said... as well as soldiers involved in the effort to find him. Not to
Mention officers who told cnn that we suffered 8 additional casualties at combat outpost Keating due to resources dedicated to finding your hero.
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So to defend your case you’re citing a man convicted of multiple felonies who just got absolutely torched by a federal judge today in court even going to far as to question his patriotism and if he was a traitor.

You don’t need to respond, it all makes sense now.
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So to defend your case you’re citing a man convicted of multiple felonies who just got absolutely torched by a federal judge today in court even going to far as to question his patriotism and if he was a traitor.

You don’t need to respond, it all makes sense now.
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That same federal judge then said in open court, as did the prosecutors, that Flynn didn't commit treason, and the same judge said explicitly, that he wasn't implying Flynn did.

But since you feel that judges saying something automatically has credibility, how about the judge striking down Obamacare? That must be just as credible, right? Or else you're a partisan hypocrite?

If it's OK for a girl to say she's a boy, it's OK for Warren to say she is whatever she says she is. Apparently it has worked out for Warren's career for her to be a Cherokee. Guess, for you, it doesn't work for Trump to be a Swede.
Only because I’m part Swedish and it’s just more of his con, or should I say alternative facts
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That same federal judge then said in open court, as did the prosecutors, that Flynn didn't commit treason, and the same judge said explicitly, that he wasn't implying Flynn did.

But since you feel that judges saying something automatically has credibility, how about the judge striking down Obamacare? That must be just as credible, right? Or else you're a partisan hypocrite?
Flynn has pleaded guilty to very serious federal crimes. The judge who rules on the ACA has been ridiculed by both sides of the aisle. Once again you seek parity where there is none.
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Only because I’m part Swedish and it’s just more of his con, or should I say alternative facts
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So you brought it up for a selfish reason. Let's see, you're a slick con artist and your selfish. You're special.

So to defend your case you’re citing a man convicted of multiple felonies who just got absolutely torched by a federal judge today in court even going to far as to question his patriotism and if he was a traitor.

You don’t need to respond, it all makes sense now.
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Jeff,if you read beyond that you would realize there are many others who substantiate this claim. I doubt any of us will ever know the real truth.
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Ha, glad you know what fake news is. I will stick with what retired GENERAL Michael Flynn said... as well as soldiers involved in the effort to find him. Not to
Mention officers who told cnn that we suffered 8 additional casualties at combat outpost Keating due to resources dedicated to finding your hero.
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So you can't accept the Truth ...

Soldiers die in combat for all kinds of reasons that's just the risk in combat we take when ever we go on patrol... I find it odd armchair generals now put a good death bad death scale into play..

FYI
One-Third Of US Casualties In Afghanistan And Iraq Were Non-Combat Accidents

An analysis of Department of Defense Trauma Registry data published in the medical journal JAMA Surgery found that 34.1% of total casualties and 11.5% percent of all deaths from January 2003 to December 2014 occurred in non-combat conditions.

also

Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel said in a congressional hearing, “I have seen no evidence that directly links any American combat death to the rescue or finding or search of Sergeant Bergdahl.”

as we say #^&#^&#^&#^& happens

Except perhaps Elizabeth Warren
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Hey, If she wants to say she's a girl, more power to her.

though she should have realized that pesky "X" chromosone would have come out during that DNA test anyways.

So you can't accept the Truth ...

Soldiers die in combat for all kinds of reasons that's just the risk in combat we take when ever we go on patrol... I find it odd armchair generals now put a good death bad death scale into play..

FYI
One-Third Of US Casualties In Afghanistan And Iraq Were Non-Combat Accidents

An analysis of Department of Defense Trauma Registry data published in the medical journal JAMA Surgery found that 34.1% of total casualties and 11.5% percent of all deaths from January 2003 to December 2014 occurred in non-combat conditions.

also

Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel said in a congressional hearing, “I have seen no evidence that directly links any American combat death to the rescue or finding or search of Sergeant Bergdahl.”

as we say #^&#^&#^&#^& happens

Like I said, varying accounts and we can both believe what we choose. Regardless, bad deal.
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Flynn has pleaded guilty to very serious federal crimes. The judge who rules on the ACA has been ridiculed by both sides of the aisle. Once again you seek parity where there is none.
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Liberal lawyer Alan Dershowitz has along piece today, spelling out how egregious it was for the judge you love, to accuse Flynn of treason.

So you say judges are credible, unless they are criticized by others, in which case their rulings are meaningless. Do you apply that logic consistently, or only when it serves your personal narrative?

Like I said, varying accounts and we can both believe what we choose. Regardless, bad deal.
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Agreed let’s move on
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