Trump looking for a win after months of losses, decides I will ignore all my advisors and pull all military out of Syria. He proves once again his grasp of world politics isn’t the best and that he couldn’t give a sh^t what his advisors think. He could save us all some tax dollars by letting go all advisors since he doesn’t listen to them anyway.

As long as we support the Kurds (most of them anyway) we should continue to step back from Syria. If Assad gasses his people again, level a couple palaces and Mil installations.

Syria could be the 21st century Sarajevo.

Right now the major players are Syria, remnants of ISIS, RUS, Turkey, Kurds, Iran, Israel, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, and the USA. With a sticky web of interconnected alliances and oppositions. I once saw a pretty smart guy I follow say if you want to see Game of Thrones level complexity in real life, just watch Syria.

Less than 2 years ago, ISIS had an enormous presence in Syria, today it is significantly smaller.

Less than a year ago, US forces had the biggest battle against Russian (mercenary) forces since ever. US forces killed a couple hundred Russian Mercs and several hundred more Syrians when that group tried to attack an American unit on the other side of the deconfliction line. This could have turned south very, very fast.

I feel sorry for the Kurds, and for the local Syrian population, but we cannot risk WW3 fuse starting there.

John don’t you think ww3 will likely start in the Middle East and we need to keep a presence there.
Though maybe the rest of the world, us included, need to stop supplying them with weapons. Some people are making a lot of money arms dealing
I have a F of F who’s making what a doctor makes in a couple yrs in a month selling in the Middle East
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John don’t you think ww3 will likely start in the Middle East and we need to keep a presence there.
Though maybe the rest of the world, us included, need to stop supplying them with weapons. Some people are making a lot of money arms dealing
I have a F of F who’s making what a doctor makes in a couple yrs in a month selling in the Middle East
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"John don’t you think ww3 will likely start in the Middle East"

Probably.

"we need to keep a presence there"

So were you opposed when Obama withdrew from Iraq against the wishes of many advisors, or is it only problematic when Trump does it? I think the entire developed world (NATO, UN) needs to have a presence there, not just us.

"the world, us included, need to stop supplying them with weapons"

Great point, I agree 100%.

Jim
Obama #^&#^&#^&#^&ed that up for domestic political reasons just like trump is
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He wants an escalation there to happen right around re election time. Step one is to create a power vacuum. Step to is to let it explode. Step 3 is to seize power while everyone is terrified by the situation.
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He wants an escalation there to happen right around re election time. Step one is to create a power vacuum. Step to is to let it explode. Step 3 is to seize power while everyone is terrified by the situation.
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You assume he has a lot more skill at critical thinking and planning than I do.
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"John don’t you think ww3 will likely start in the Middle East"

Probably.

"we need to keep a presence there"

So were you opposed when Obama withdrew from Iraq against the wishes of many advisors, or is it only problematic when Trump does it? I think the entire developed world (NATO, UN) needs to have a presence there, not just us.

"the world, us included, need to stop supplying them with weapons"

Great point, I agree 100%.
Trump didn’t ask his generals it appears or our allies again Iraq and Syria are not the same
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Leave stay not a big issue my concern it’s the reason he’s claiming isis defeated .. we are no safer from isis then we were when he took office .. they were never a threat to the states ... as republicans portrayed..

On Iraq more misinformation From the right

President George W. Bush who signed the Status of Forces agreement in 2008, which planned for all American troops to be out of Iraq by the end of 2011.

"The agreement lays out a framework for the withdrawal of American forces in Iraq

The State Department's lawyers said troops couldn't stay in Iraq unless the Iraqi parliament authorized them to do so, including granting them immunity from Iraqi law. The Iraqi parliamentarians would never OK such a decision, with Iraqi popular opinion staunchly against U.S. troops staying.

Sorry facts got in the way again
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He wants an escalation there to happen right around re election time. Step one is to create a power vacuum. Step to is to let it explode. Step 3 is to seize power while everyone is terrified by the situation.
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He may have spoken with his NatSec team . You or I do not know that.



Trump didn’t ask his generals it appears or our allies again Iraq and Syria are not the same
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Leave stay not a big issue my concern it’s the reason he’s claiming isis defeated .. we are no safer from isis then we were when he took office .. they were never a threat to the states ... as republicans portrayed..

On Iraq more misinformation From the right

President George W. Bush who signed the Status of Forces agreement in 2008, which planned for all American troops to be out of Iraq by the end of 2011.

"The agreement lays out a framework for the withdrawal of American forces in Iraq

The State Department's lawyers said troops couldn't stay in Iraq unless the Iraqi parliament authorized them to do so, including granting them immunity from Iraqi law. The Iraqi parliamentarians would never OK such a decision, with Iraqi popular opinion staunchly against U.S. troops staying.

Sorry facts got in the way again
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Excert that people in Iraq and people in USA begged Obama to improve i the SOFA, but he walked away.

Well, at least we have Mattis, best in the business, as SecDef.
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Another cabinet-level position whose views aren't aligned with the president.
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Well, at least we have Mattis, best in the business, as SecDef.
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No longer resigning as he is not in agreement with the direction this is going.

I wonder if Mulvaney can do this job too
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Well that sucks.



No longer resigning as he is not in agreement with the direction this is going.


I think you missed the sarcasm.

Well that sucks.

I’m old




I think you missed the sarcasm.
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Don’t worry Stephen Miller, a 33 year old Trump advisor with no military and little political experience outside of domestic political is helping Trump
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Trump didn’t ask his generals it appears or our allies again Iraq and Syria are not the same
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'Trump didn’t ask his generals'

How would you happen to know that?

Well that sucks.






.

Mattis is a national treasure, and if Trump can incentivize a guy like that to abandon his post, Trump really needs to be reined in. Right quick. It won't happen, he's not capable of changing course (Trump), he's never wrong.

Trump listens to only the little voices in his head, which is why the revolving door at the White House exists, it’s where sain people with some self respect get the F out of there.
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You guys are way too critical. He knows more than generals and is a stable genius
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Mattis is a national treasure, and if Trump can incentivize a guy like that to abandon his post, Trump really needs to be reined in. Right quick. It won't happen, he's not capable of changing course (Trump), he's never wrong.
Agree. Not sure if he resigned or was fired but it doesn’t really matter.

You now have the C team leading the free world with no clue what they’re doing.
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'Trump didn’t ask his generals'

How would you happen to know that?

Ask Mattis he's the Sec of defense and was surprised or did you missed the headlines of the the people shocked by the announcement and his letter is wider in scope then syria

PS mattis isn't one of his generals and he was surprised the Generals under him more likely had no idea

will thoses who are inclined to see Mattis in a non partisan... How will they see his letter...

My views on treating allies with respect and also being clear-eyed about both malign actors and strategic competitors are strongly held and informed by over four decades of immersion in these issues. We must do everything possible to advance an international order that is most conducive to our security, prosperity and values, and we are strengthened in this effort by the solidarity of our alliances.

Military speak You Can’t Lead From Behind

yet over at breitbart big leads about house spending bill with wall funding

3\4 down the page in tiny font Mattis saying Retiring as Secretary of Defense

even they cant spin this one

Agree. Not sure if he resigned or was fired but it doesn’t really matter.

You now have the C team leading the free world with no clue what they’re doing.
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In my opinion they have a good
vision on policy ( which is why ISIL continues to suffer, and why our economic fundamentals continue to be healthy despite many who say a recession is overdue, and i also love his SCOTUS picks.) I agree with most of his vision. It’s his personality that’s beyond repulsive, must make it just about impossible for people to work with him.

His policies, if you happen to care about security and the economy, are working, in my opinion. He just has no ability to make people want to work with him, and that’s also part of the job requirement. It should
benthe easy part. Not for him.
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Ask Mattis he's the Sec of defense and was surprised or did you missed the headlines of the the people shocked by the announcement and his letter is wider in scope then syria

PS mattis isn't one of his generals and he was surprised the Generals under him more likely had no idea

did you ask him?

being surprised at the decision, doesn’t mean Trump didn’t ask for
anyone’s opinion. it could
meannhe asked for opinions, and then made a different decision from what Mattis expected.

I’ll ask again, please post a link or something that says that Trump did this without asking any of the generals for their thoughts. if he did, i’d
like to know. but i don’t think that’s what happened. i think he listened to them, and then decided he knew better. two very different things.

i trust Mattis in these matters. but again, we aee the hypocrisy in both sides. when obama
pulled us out of iraq ( i know it’s different than syria), the right
attacked him and the left defended him. now we have the opposite. Hypocrisy on both sides. although in the case of syrianthere are thisenin the right, like lindsay graham, who are also criticizing Trump.

a common set of standards, applied equally to both sides by both parties, sure would be refreshing.

we need to elect different kinds of people. but we don’t.
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did you ask him?

being surprised at the decision, doesn’t mean Trump didn’t ask for
anyone’s opinion. it could
meannhe asked for opinions, and then made a different decision from what Mattis expected.

I’ll ask again, please post a link or something that says that Trump did this without asking any of the generals for their thoughts. if he did, i’d
like to know. but i don’t think that’s what happened. i think he listened to them, and then decided he knew better. two very different things.

i trust Mattis in these matters. but again, we aee the hypocrisy in both sides. when obama
pulled us out of iraq ( i know it’s different than syria), the right
attacked him and the left defended him. now we have the opposite. Hypocrisy on both sides. although in the case of syrianthere are thisenin the right, like lindsay graham, who are also criticizing Trump.

a common set of standards, applied equally to both sides by both parties, sure would be refreshing.

we need to elect different kinds of people. but we don’t.
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On Syria it hasn’t been right v. Left, this decision is most of the right and left on one side, mike lee, rand Paul, Ann Coulter, Rush and Putin on the other.....
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we need to elect different kinds of people. but we don’t.

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nancy pelosi is a big proponent of term limits...for everyone else :bl:

On Syria it hasn’t been right v. Left, this decision is most of the right and left on one side, mike lee, rand Paul, Ann Coulter, Rush and Putin on the other.....
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I saw Rand Paul praising Trump last night. Interesting stuff. Very depressing too.

did you ask him?

being surprised at the decision, doesn’t mean Trump didn’t ask for
anyone’s opinion. it could
meannhe asked for opinions, and then made a different decision from what Mattis expected.

I’ll ask again, please post a link or something that says that Trump did this without asking any of the generals for their thoughts. if he did, i’d
like to know. but i don’t think that’s what happened. i think he listened to them, and then decided he knew better. two very different things.

i trust Mattis in these matters. but again, we aee the hypocrisy in both sides. when obama
pulled us out of iraq ( i know it’s different than syria), the right
attacked him and the left defended him. now we have the opposite. Hypocrisy on both sides. although in the case of syrianthere are thisenin the right, like lindsay graham, who are also criticizing Trump.

a common set of standards, applied equally to both sides by both parties, sure would be refreshing.

we need to elect different kinds of people. but we don’t.
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Trump didn’t ask his generals it appears That’s the quote .. you know what appears means ? Or it appears he did not ask them



Trump says Mattis is 'sort of a Democrat’
Trump: 'I know more' about NATO than Defense Secretary Jim Mattis
Such statements don’t prove he didn’t ask . But you need to start from a position of openness than just an appearance you care what they have to say it appears to me his meeting are for show
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Trump didn’t ask his generals it appears That’s the quote .. you know what appears means ? Or it appears he did not ask them



Trump says Mattis is 'sort of a Democrat’
Trump: 'I know more' about NATO than Defense Secretary Jim Mattis
Such statements don’t prove he didn’t ask . But you need to start from a position of openness than just an appearance you care what they have to say it appears to me his meeting are for show
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I used to enjoy reading accounts of ghosts appearing on certain holidays, or cemeteries.

If you read Secretary Mattis letter, I think he was crystal clear and I quote
“One core belief I have always held is that our strength as a nation is inextricably linked to the strength of our unique and comprehensive system of alliances and partnerships. While the US remains the indispensable nation in the free world, we cannot protect our interests or serve that role effectively without maintaining strong alliances and showing respect to those allies.”
“My views on treating allies with respect and also being clear-eyed about both malign actors and strategic competitors are strongly held and informed by over four decades of immersion in these issues. We must do everything possible to advance an international order that is most conducive to our security, prosperity and values, and we are strengthened in this effort by the solidarity of our alliances.”
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The people praising the action should concern all of us.

The people praising the action should concern all of us.

There are a lot of things, even much more important than this, that should concern all of us. But that ain't gonna happen.

I have great admiration for Mattis. And also for his reasons for resigning. I have great admiration for generals like MacArthur, who was fired by an also admirable Present Truman.

I heard a respected general on the radio today who agreed with the pullout. We still do have troops and allies in the area. And we still have airpower there, which is what we mostly used anyway.

I have gut reactions to the Syrian involvement. And I can't explain why, but I felt a sense of relief that we're getting out of there. As well would I if we pulled out of Western Europe.

I'm not praising what Trump did. But I don't condemn it. Nor do I think that our alliances are in danger because of it. I kind of like the idea that Russia and Iran will have to spend their blood and treasure to finish off ISIS. Russia couldn't defeat the Afghan mujahideen because we armed it, and so, as a reward, we got the Taliban in return. Maybe Russia can do the job on ISIS if we don't interfere. Although, like JohnR, I would love to arm the Kurds to the hilt and somehow help them to be independent. But, considering the perfidious nature of the region, who knows how that might come back to bite us.

Oh, well, now my less than praise but lack of condemnation should be of concern to y'all. Love it.

News that the White House had ordered the Pentagon to draw up plans for a troop withdrawal from Afghanistan provoked widespread criticism that the move would kneecap efforts to broker a peace deal to end America's longest war.

But there was one group on Friday celebrating the reports — the taliban

Yep Trumps got our allies backs

seems that the US's closest allies may not have known about the prospect of troop withdrawal in Afghanistan. Before the news broke, BBC

Or Trump decided to withdraw U.S. troops after call with Turkish prime minister

News that the White House had ordered the Pentagon to draw up plans for a troop withdrawal from Afghanistan provoked widespread criticism that the move would kneecap efforts to broker a peace deal to end America's longest war.

But there was one group on Friday celebrating the reports — the taliban

Yep Trumps got our allies backs

They can get out of Afghanistan. Why are they there? Are they trying to build an Afghanistan in their own image? Are the Taliban Afghans? Can our allies arm the Afghans the way we did when they fought the Soviets? The Afghans are reputed to be these fierce fighters. They seem to lose their fierceness when big daddy America doesn't have their back.

They can get out of Afghanistan. Why are they there? .

A totally different topic then what's going on...

did you Know

In recent months, Washington has been trying to help launch a peace process between Kabul and the Taliban


Trump’s decision comes just days after senior U.S. officials met in Dubai with top representatives from the Taliban’s political office in Qatar and its Pakistan-based senior leadership. The insurgents would now enter any formal peace talks from a position of deep strength, because they’ve gotten the withdrawals they’ve always wanted without having to give up anything in return.

But but Bo bergdahl was a horrible deal .. maybe but compared to this its not a blip on the radar screen

Next thing you know he will be giving the Taliban 200Billion overnight,unmarked. Because while Bergdahl May have been a bad deal,it got horrendous at certain junctures.
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Next thing you know he will be giving the Taliban 200Billion overnight,unmarked.
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History really isn’t your friend is it?
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History really isn’t your friend is it?
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If I could reach through the computer, I would give big hugs. Do what makes you happy.
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If I could reach through the computer, I would give big hugs. Do what makes you happy.
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A top US official in the fight against the Islamic State group has quit over President Trump's decision to pull troops from Syria, reports say.

Brett McGurk, the US special presidential envoy for the Global Coalition to Defeat IS,


I know everyone is against Trump just because he is Trump

God forbid His people are bailing on him for actual reasons ....

or are are they just RINOS

A top US official in the fight against the Islamic State group has quit over President Trump's decision to pull troops from Syria, reports say.

Brett McGurk, the US special presidential envoy for the Global Coalition to Defeat IS,


I know everyone is against Trump just because he is Trump

God forbid His people are bailing on him for actual reasons ....

or are are they just RINOS

Not to worry, he has Jared and Ivanka to give him advise on global affairs.

you people
are literally turning into imbeciles. everything he does is wrong. he drank a glass of water?? you know who else drank water - Hitler!

he may well be wrong in syria. but i don’t recall the libs getting their panties bunched up when obama
pulled us out of iraq, which also had serious adverse effects.
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Not to worry, he has Jared and Ivanka to give him advise on global affairs.

does Rand Paul not know anything?

if trump always did what the military asked, the libs here would
be freaking out about the military industrial complex.
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If I could reach through the computer, I would give big hugs. Do what makes you happy.
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Ha thanks Chris.
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Not to worry, he has Jared and Ivanka to give him advise on global affairs.

You forgot that as part of his deal with the devil, he also had Roy Cohn reincarnated, hence we have Stephen Miller
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you people
are literally turning into imbeciles. everything he does is wrong. he drank a glass of water?? you know who else drank water - Hitler!

he may well be wrong in syria. but i don’t recall the libs getting their panties bunched up when obama
pulled us out of iraq, which also had serious adverse effects.
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speaking of imbeciles ever hear of research

At the end of the Bush administration, when the Status of Forces Agreement, or SOFA, was negotiated, setting 2011 as the end of the United States’ military role, officials had said the deadline was set for political reasons, to put a symbolic end to the occupation and establish Iraq’s sovereignty.

Mr. Obama was willing to support a continued military presence. In June, diplomats and Iraqi officials said that Mr. Obama had told Mr. Maliki that he was prepared to leave up to 10,000 soldiers to continue training and equipping the Iraqi security forces. Mr. Maliki agreed, but said he needed time to line up political allies.

the Iraqis were unwilling to accept anything that infringed on their sovereignty.

Acutely aware of that sentiment, the Iraqi leadership quickly said publicly that they would not support legal protections for any American troops.

So are you suggesting we should have used force and stayed .... its their country PS did anyone have a crystal ball to foresee the future ?? hindsight is always 20\20 and a provided a weak position for criticism years after

Racists and hateful people always say “you people”. It’s a dog whistle term.

Just throwing it out there as a learning tool.
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You forgot that as part of his deal with the devil, he also had Roy Cohn reincarnated, hence we have Stephen Miller
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Stephen Miller made Wolf Blitzer look like a child this week on border security. a bumbling child.
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Racists and hateful people always say “you people”. It’s a dog whistle term.

Just throwing it out there as a learning tool.
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so instead of saying you people, i should
have to list all of you by name, individually? no thanks.
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Racists and hateful people always say “you people”. It’s a dog whistle term.

Just throwing it out there as a learning tool.
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and thoughtless people who can’t defend their positions, call everyone who disagree with them a racist, a learning tool for you.
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speaking of imbeciles ever hear of research

At the end of the Bush administration, when the Status of Forces Agreement, or SOFA, was negotiated, setting 2011 as the end of the United States’ military role, officials had said the deadline was set for political reasons, to put a symbolic end to the occupation and establish Iraq’s sovereignty.

Mr. Obama was willing to support a continued military presence. In June, diplomats and Iraqi officials said that Mr. Obama had told Mr. Maliki that he was prepared to leave up to 10,000 soldiers to continue training and equipping the Iraqi security forces. Mr. Maliki agreed, but said he needed time to line up political allies.

the Iraqis were unwilling to accept anything that infringed on their sovereignty.

Acutely aware of that sentiment, the Iraqi leadership quickly said publicly that they would not support legal protections for any American troops.

So are you suggesting we should have used force and stayed .... its their country PS did anyone have a crystal ball to foresee the future ?? hindsight is always 20\20 and a provided a weak position for criticism years after

he could have tried getting another sofa, a lot of people thought he should
have. but because we’re talking about obama, everyone who disagrees with, is an idiot and a racist, while everyone who disagrees with trump, is legitimate and righteous.
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Stephen Miller made Wolf Blitzer look like a child this week on border security. a bumbling child.
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Glad you found a new alt right hero
Same technique you use, scream early and often.
Stephen Miller would never have been in public in any Republican administration
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A top US official in the fight against the Islamic State group has quit over President Trump's decision to pull troops from Syria, reports say.

Brett McGurk, the US special presidential envoy for the Global Coalition to Defeat IS,


I know everyone is against Trump just because he is Trump

God forbid His people are bailing on him for actual reasons ....

or are are they just RINOS
Why are you blaming me, all I did was vote for a person who is saving your future.
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Racists and hateful people always say “you people”. It’s a dog whistle term.

Just throwing it out there as a learning tool.
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I am amused by how the snowflakes love to Cherrypick the “dog whistle “ terms.
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and thoughtless people who can’t defend their positions, call everyone who disagree with them a racist, a learning tool for you.
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Cowardice
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Cowardice
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It’s more like genius.

:hihi:
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Glad you found a new alt right hero
Same technique you use, scream early and often.
Stephen Miller would never have been in public in any Republican administration
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Did you see the interview?

Wolf said democrats support border security. Miller asked Wolf what policies democrats advocate and listed many policies that they opposed. Wolf bumbled like an idiot, then changed the subject. Nothing sinister or alt-right about what Miller did. Do you hate Miller because he's good at making liberals look stupid?

Did you see the interview?

Wolf said democrats support border security. Miller asked Wolf what policies democrats advocate and listed many policies that they opposed. Wolf bumbled like an idiot, then changed the subject. Nothing sinister or alt-right about what Miller did. Do you hate Miller because he's good at making liberals look stupid?
Do a tiny bit of research on the guy
You’re confusing a reporter with a representative of the Democrats party. It’s not a debate with a winner.
When did Miller say these are our policies and this is why we think this is the correct remedy for this issue. All he did is, like you, scream louder and longer.
You have totally bought into the Trumplican lies.
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"Pete
In life, it's important to know when to stop arguing with people and simply let them be wrong."



you argue with yourself a lot :spin:

he could have tried getting another sofa, a lot of people thought he should
have. but because we’re talking about obama, everyone who disagrees with, is an idiot and a racist, while everyone who disagrees with trump, is legitimate and righteous.
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he did but it was not a priority... but again your criticizing a past choice

based on outcomes that happened years later with the assumption if we hadn't left things would be different .


The issue with trump and syria it the leaving the kurds hanging them out to dry against the Turks because Recep Tayyip Erdoğanand asked (another strong man he likes )

the image we dont help those who help us is the real issue not so much the the fear of ISIS making a comeback because of it

he did but it was not a priority... but again your criticizing a past choice

based on outcomes that happened years later with the assumption if we hadn't left things would be different .


The issue with trump and syria it the leaving the kurds hanging them out to dry against the Turks because Recep Tayyip Erdoğanand asked (another strong man he likes )

the image we dont help those who help us is the real issue not so much the the fear of ISIS making a comeback because of it

oh, where is it written that we shouldn’t criticize a past choice?

Do you listen to yourself?
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choice?


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Oh my god another trigger word !!

:rotfl:
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Oh my god another trigger word !!

:rotfl:
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but not a trigger word when WDMSO said it...
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oh, where is it written that we shouldn’t criticize a past choice?

Do you listen to yourself?
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you can criticize a past choice? all you want

However to use that past choice , in defence of Trump's current choice which is completely different shows a lack of understanding for the reasons people like Mattis and others have walked away

you use whataboutism to defend anything Trump does Asking the senate to change the rules you throw out harry reid as only the dems used it

In recent years, whataboutism made a comeback in Vladimir Putin's Russia, and has also seen a rise in usage by Donald Trump and his support base

Shocking

In recent years, whataboutism made a comeback



nope...only in like the last 6 months when you started using the term incessantly :tooth:

Turkey is massing troops near a town in northern Syria held by a U.S.-backed and Kurdish-led force, a war monitor said as Turkish media reported Sunday new reinforcement crossing the borders.

nope...only in like the last 6 months when you started using the term incessantly :tooth:

To bad it wasn't I who made that claim

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism

Analysts have been dinging Trump for whataboutism for months, particularly in recent weeks.

Contradicting Trump, Bolton says no withdrawal from Syria until ISIS destroyed

So Trump lied again???? say it ain't so

Four American soldiers killed today by the defeated ISIS

Four American soldiers killed today by the defeated ISIS

There will be no outrage like when Clinton was personally held responsible for the deaths in Benghazi

There was none over the 4 in Niger last February and I suspect there will be none for these 4 at the hands of the defeated isis there’s no political benefit for the right.

Unless it’s an illegal who kills a cop they could care less politically
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Four American soldiers killed today by the defeated ISIS

We were told, over and over in many ways by many Dems, that being over there, warring and killing Muslims, would just lead to the recruitment of more "radicals," jihadists, Al Qaeda, and Isis members. But now, are we to believe that we must be there to kill them in order to stop them from growing. This is confusing.

We were told, over and over in many ways by many Dems, that being over there, warring and killing Muslims, would just lead to the recruitment of more "radicals," jihadists, Al Qaeda, and Isis members. But now, are we to believe that we must be there to kill them in order to stop them from growing. This is confusing.

It is and always will be a damned if you do and damned if you don’t situation, but pulling out wholesale and allowing Putin free reign is a mistake.
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It is and always will be a damned if you do and damned if you don’t situation, but pulling out wholesale and allowing Putin free reign is a mistake.
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If we pull out after ISIS is totally eliminated, what is preventing Putin from having free reign at that time. Must we always stay there as some kind of buffer against him? Must we always have troops in Europe for the same reason? Must we always have troops in the Pacific Rim?

I'll play a Pete F and ask, isn't there a better way? Is there a road to worldwide free and open trade that peacefully benefits everyone? Is it at least a smidgeon bit possible that something like Trump's sort of mimicking the Teddy Roosevelt notion of walking softly with a big stick in negotiating with adversaries to replace animosity with mutually beneficial economic relations?

Is it that bad to actually, at least try, to convince Russia and China and North Korea to exchange some smaller political gifts that lead to better economic lives for all their people, and doing so without threatening to overthrow them if they do come on board?

And if that fails, maintain the big stick, and let it be known that you'll use it if the preference is to attack us rather than trade with us and our friends.