would we have used it to help build or prevent

Japanese-American citizens internment camps ?


stop: School integration or forced busing

Fund : McCarthyism?


Fear is a dangerous thing... when its not based on facts and promoted by political parties

people can give to whom or whatever they want ....

But who's next? what person ,race ,sex ,religion, political position ..is anyone safe ?

And if go fund me site for a wall is what people think will MAGA

they never understood America to start with ... in my view

so trying to prevent millions of un-vetted people
from illegally entering, is comparable to concentration camps?

my god
man. your side handled segregation all on their own, they didn’t need funding.

my goodness. Trump is draining IQ points out of your head.

it’s fear mongering to want a secure border? seriously? really?
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fact - we have millions of illegal immigrants living here. fact or fiction? you tell us...
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so trying to prevent millions of un-vetted people
from illegally entering, is comparable to concentration camps?

my god
man. your side handles segregation all on their own, they didn’t need funding.

my goodness. Trump is s#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&g IQ points out mid
your head.
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who said concentration camps?

the point is people are willing to spend money on an issue that does created bu fear ...... as if walls are the answer

fact - we have millions of illegal immigrants living here. fact or fiction? you tell us...
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and we have had them here for since we became a nation ... PS no country is immune from illegal immigrants

Even an ocean AKA the mediterranean isn't a big enough obstacle to stop people looking for a better life! and you think a wall will be better

5 billion would be better spent creating stable countries in south America . so people wouldn't want to leave to begin with

fact - we have millions of illegal immigrants living here. fact or fiction? you tell us...
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Yes indeed it’s called America, where EVERY single one of us is descended from illegal immigration and look what our ancestors did to the true original citizens of this continent. Trump is an idiot for thinking a big cement wall is the answer to our immigration issues and while I’m not saying there isn’t an issue, but that solution makes no sense. Ask any experienced military leader if a solid line of sight blocking wall makes any sense, I’m pretty sure everyone would respond no. We have so much better technology available to surveil and react to issues at the border and FYI how do you think all the owners of the land we would have to take to get it built are going to feel.
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Yes indeed it’s called America, where EVERY single one of us is descended from illegal immigration
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this is stupid

Trump is an idiot for thinking a big cement wall is the answer to our immigration issues

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ILLEGAL!!!! immigration issues....for crying out loud


for centuries, when someone did not want others coming on to their property without their permission...they have built walls....we have a serious problem with people crossing our southern border without our permission....what exactly do you propose to stop it?

this is stupid

But as you know 100% true, no denying it, immigration is what built this country and sadly for native Americans; it's what cost them almost everything.

ILLEGAL!!!! immigration issues....for crying out loud


for centuries, when someone did not want others coming on to their property without their permission...they have built walls....we have a serious problem with people crossing our southern border without our permission....what exactly do you propose to stop it?

Put the money into surveillance technology and people (jobs) and get away from a big fat political statement. Not one person on this board is arguing against tighter security and common sense immigration reform; but a giant solid wall is just not good use of our tax dollars. Hey anyone factor in the money required to maintain it and oh yeah you better get better at detecting tunnels and oh yeah; there are coastlines by the thousands and people do own boats.

I think Trumplicans never played Stratego
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who said concentration camps?

the point is people are willing to spend money on an issue that does created bu fear ...... as if walls are the answer

the wall
works in Israel. i bet you have a door in your house that you shut at night. the prison where wdmso works has, you guessed it, walls.

a wall won’t end illegal immigration, it won’t mean we all live forever. most sane people concede that it will help.
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I think Trumplicans never played Stratego
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who won the election? the candidate who everyone said was going to win?
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the wall
works in Israel. i bet you have a door in your house that you shut at night. the prison where wdmso works has, you guessed it, walls.

a wall won’t end illegal immigration, it won’t mean we all live forever. most sane people concede that it will help.
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World War Z scene from Israel is exactly how Trump sees things, needs it big and if he had his way, with armed guard towers every mile.
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World War Z scene from Israel is exactly how Trump sees things, needs it big and if he had his way, with armed guard towers every mile.
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we’ve been talking about a wall since before trump was
on the scene.
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the wall
works in Israel. i bet you have a door in your house that you shut at night. the prison where wdmso works has, you guessed it, walls.

a wall won’t end illegal immigration, it won’t mean we all live forever. most sane people concede that it will help.
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Your truly out of touch

Israel's barrier, still under construction, is expected to reach at least 403 miles in length

ONCE AGAIN THE 2 ARE NOT REMOTELY THE SAME

Your truly out of touch

Israel's barrier, still under construction, is expected to reach at least 403 miles in length

ONCE AGAIN THE 2 ARE NOT REMOTELY THE SAME

so, i’m wrong for bringing up the wall in israel, because it’s not the same.

but YOU brought up
internment camps, school
desegregation, busing, and McCarthyism. Those have more in common with Trumps wall, than Israel’s wall?

YOU HAVE FUN ANSWERING THAT.

You tell
us why McCarthyism is
more like Trumps wall, than Israel’s wall is like Trumps wall. Please
enlighten me?
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common sense immigration reform



name some

But as you know 100% true, no denying it, immigration is what built this country and sadly for native Americans; it's what cost them almost everything.

it was stupid and wrong...

I bet the native americans wish they'd had a big wall to defend and if you think what happened to the native americans.. where a bunch of people from foreign lands just wandered in and decided to stay...shouldn't you be 100% against illegal immigration?

it was stupid and wrong...

I bet the native americans wish they'd had a big wall to defend and if you think what happened to the native americans.. where a bunch of people from foreign lands just wandered in and decided to stay...shouldn't you be 100% against illegal immigration?

Boy that was a lame attempt to defend a statement you know to be true, throwing sh*t against the WALL to see if it sticks
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Im starting to see why Trump is so much smarter than all of you guys. A stable genius. I heard he is giving up his idea of the wall and has decided to go with a moat backed with trebuchets as no one knows more about tech than Individual 1.
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Im starting to see why Trump is so much smarter than all of you guys. A stable genius. I heard he is giving up his idea of the wall and has decided to go with a moat backed with trebuchets as no one knows more about tech than Individual 1.
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you just criticized
me for
being insulting, but it’s ok for you to say we’re all dumber
than Trump. no hypocrisy here, move along, nothing to see.
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Lighten up angry man
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name some
It was proposed in 2013, bi partisan even, bohner killed it.
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Lighten up angry man
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so pointing out your naked hypocrisy is a character flaw of mine, not yours. i’m not angry in the least paul, i wouldn’t do this if it made me angry. i do it for fun.
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I think you're the only one who took that seriously. To be honest I think you're far more intelligent than president Trump. And that is sad. And I'll save you the trouble it's sad because I don't think our president is very intelligent and it's not a reflection on you.
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so, i’m wrong for bringing up the wall in israel, because it’s not the same.

but YOU brought up
internment camps, school
desegregation, busing, and McCarthyism. Those have more in common with Trumps wall, than Israel’s wall?

YOU HAVE FUN ANSWERING THAT.

You tell
us why McCarthyism is
more like Trumps wall, than Israel’s wall is like Trumps wall. Please
enlighten me?
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If we had go fund me in those eras would we have funded the things I listed

They are like Trumps wall because its stoked in fear and sold and masked as National security its amazing what people are willing to do to others with enough lies

it not hard to see the parallels...

Ps we have more wall the Israel what do you think it cost to patrol 400 miles one-third of the U.S.-Mexico line, or 654 miles, has security fencing, The border between the United States and Mexico stretches 3,145 kilometers (1,954 miles) whats good is a wall once built if you can pay to patrol it

Boy that was a lame attempt to defend a statement you know to be true, throwing sh*t against the WALL to see if it sticks
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which statement that I know to be true was I attempting to defend?...just curious

I see what you did there with "WALL"....very clever :jester:

To be honest I think you're far more intelligent than president Trump. And that is sad.

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that was funny ...Merry Christmas

You notice I didn't include myself in that. Well I'm off to the shooting range.
Merry Christmas to you too🍾🍷
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If we had go fund me in those eras would we have funded the things I listed

They are like Trumps wall because its stoked in fear and sold and masked as National security its amazing what people are willing to do to others with enough lies

it not hard to see the parallels...

Ps we have more wall the Israel what do you think it cost to patrol 400 miles one-third of the U.S.-Mexico line, or 654 miles, has security fencing, The border between the United States and Mexico stretches 3,145 kilometers (1,954 miles) whats good is a wall once built if you can pay to patrol it

we have tens of
millions of people living here, who came illegally. so is the wall
stoked in fear, or facts? does your prison have walls? do they work?

wdmso, all facts are factual, not just the ones you happen to like.
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we have tens of
millions of people living here, who came illegally. so is the wall
stoked in fear, or facts? does your prison have walls? do they work?

wdmso, all facts are factual, not just the ones you happen to like.
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Walls only work if some is watching them ... it’s already been covered the wall isn’t how you fix it..

Simple solutions for simple people that’s all the wall is

And how do we have the Lowest unemployment.. if all those illegals are taking our jobs ...??? I think you’ve suggested as much
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Walls only work if some is watching them ... it’s already been covered the wall isn’t how you fix it..

Simple solutions for simple people that’s all the wall is

And how do we have the Lowest unemployment.. if all those illegals are taking our jobs ...??? I think you’ve suggested as much
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is anyone, and i mean ANYONE, saying that no one needs to be watching the wall? is anyone saying we can get rid of birder security once it’s built?

walls work when trained people are involved, i agree with you, msondoes Trump. Can you handle that?

where has “it been covered” that the wall won’t help reduce the flow of illegals? on msnbc?

we have low unemployment because the economy is growing. going too fast for you?

i never said illegals have a huge impact on unemployment, never. i said they’re a huge drain on the economy, and obviously that’s true. as a group, they don’t pay their own way, not even close.
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i said they’re a huge drain on the economy, and obviously that’s true. as a group, they don’t pay their own way, not even close.
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A lot of studies over the years have been done on this subject and what you said just isn’t even remotely true.
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A lot of studies over the years have been done on this subject and what you said just isn’t even remotely true.
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lt cannot fail to be true. they have high school diplomas or less, and they need schools for their kids, housing, medical care, police and fire protection. i pay taxes up the you know what, and i don’t come close to covering what my town pays to educate my kids. so for many years, i will be a drain. it’s obvious common sense. put down the kool
aid for two seconds, and think honestly. millions and millions of people
with barely a high school education, who have no skills
and don’t speak english, are going to pay their own way? not possible. i saw a study saying that 64% of them receive some form of welfare.
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according to this, 70% of illegals here for ten years or more, receive welfare. and what happens when they are too d to work, but can’t collect SS? who pays for their care!

https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2018/12/census-bureau-63-of-non-citizens-are-on-welfare.php
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according to this, 70% of illegals here for ten years or more, receive welfare. and what happens when they are too d to work, but can’t collect SS? who pays for their care!

https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2018/12/census-bureau-63-of-non-citizens-are-on-welfare.php
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Funny you’re citing a right wing blog mentioning a right wing tabloid report based on research from an extreme right wing anti immigration source and you still don’t even interpret their findings correctly.

I see the problem Jim.
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Funny you’re citing a right wing blog mentioning a right wing tabloid report based on research from an extreme right wing anti immigration source and you still don’t even interpret their findings correctly.

I see the problem Jim.
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So what did they say, that was wrong, exactly?

How do millions of people who didn't graduate from high school, who have no skills and don't speak English, instantly become self sufficient?

You are insinuating that because it's right-wing, therefore it's biased. Well the judge YOU cited who accused Flynn of treason, was a Clinton appointee. So why did you assume he was credible?

lt cannot fail to be true. they have high school diplomas or less, and they need schools for their kids, housing, medical care, police and fire protection. i pay taxes up the you know what, and i don’t come close to covering what my town pays to educate my kids. so for many years, i will be a drain. it’s obvious common sense. put down the kool
aid for two seconds, and think honestly. millions and millions of people
with barely a high school education, who have no skills
and don’t speak english, are going to pay their own way? not possible. i saw a study saying that 64% of them receive some form of welfare.
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I suggest there are more US born Americans who fit your immigrant profile then them immigrants ... who you think dont pay taxes

49.2 percent of U.S. households received benefits from one or more government programs—about 151 million out of an estimated 306.8 million Americans—according to U.S. Census Bureau data released last October.

I suggest there are more US born Americans who fit your immigrant profile then them immigrants ... who you think dont pay taxes

you have this habit, of responding to something that no one ever said.
you do this very, very regularly.

i never, ever said illegals are the only ones on welfare in these numbers. but can we afford to open up our border and allow
millions more to just stroll in, without vetting them? are there limits to how many poor and unskilled people we can support?

you deny that many of them don’t pay taxes? lots of them don’t work for cash under the table?
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Yes indeed it’s called America, where EVERY single one of us is descended from illegal immigration and look what our ancestors did to the true original citizens of this continent. Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device

If you are referring to the original colonial settlers, they did not land here illegally. There were no immigration laws on this continent at the time. Just as there were no such laws when the pre-colonial natives settled here before the English colonists. There were no national borders. There was no "nation" with legalized property rights and legal borders on the land where the colonists settled.

What is now North America was still a land mass that was being settled in various parts by groups and individuals who came and went, who were successful for a period of time, and who failed as well. There were tribal wars and consolidations. Large areas were still not inhabited. There was no overall legal structure that we would recognize as a country with a claim to legal, contractual, or political ownership of all the land.

The meme that the colonists were illegal immigrants is useful to promote the Progressive globalist notion that national borders, nationalism in general, are regressive remnants of the nation states that have led to wars, economic conflicts, and all manner of personal and group oppression.

The ideal political structure of current Progressive ideology would be the elimination of nation states replaced by some form of global governance. The United Nations, the precursor governing body, is busy trying to establish model bureaucracies such as international courts, climate governing organization, evolving immigration laws that progressively eliminate the obstacles to free roaming migration, and all forms of wealth and technology transfers to connect the planet's population into one egalitarian network.

For those who prefer the globalist political structure, the meme that we are all "illegal" immigrants won't go away because it is useful for shaming us into the understanding that everyone is actually legal. That we are all equal citizens of the world.

Gotta love the "what if" threads.

What if an asteroid didn't hit the Earth 65 million years ago would super intelligent dinosaurs be ruling the Earth?Who cares,that's not the reality of the situation.

This is by far one of the dumbest threads I've ever encountered on this site.What if we had GoFundMe in 1940.Really?

Some folks need to deal with reality and stop wondering what if.....