Are the Republicans getting fed up with Trump and the Trumplicans.
Between his hardline on the wall that only excites his base, the shutdowns effect on people and the economy, the likely downturn in the economy and Giuliani now claiming he never said nobody was colluding, many Republicans are wondering how this works for 2020, what Trump’s plan, if any, is and if this is the time to move him to Mar a Lago.

Does the president own all shutdowns, or only when the president is a republican? Aren't the house democrats playing a role in this?

Repubs are fed up with Nancy and her zero stance period

It will end when terrorists get the idea, this is the time to really get that one big hit they haven't had in so long, when our defenses are down.

The other scenario this ends, is when enough republicans defect the Trump camp as their 2020 re-election chances are starting to get to odds they don't like.

Trump is learning he's not the only one capable of playing hard ball and it's got to be making him nuts. It sucks for the government workers being held hostage, it sucks that this shutdown will in fact have a really bad impact on the economy, it's not a matter of if now, just to what extent. These career politicians all suck and Trump has shown that a fu*k up real estate (bankruptcy expert) tycoon isn't any better for America.

The calls from their constituents are likely starting to ring off the hook, eventually those will start to have an impact as well.

Does the president own all shutdowns, or only when the president is a republican? Aren't the house democrats playing a role in this?

https://youtu.be/5n-Y4TIgktg

Does the president own all shutdowns, or only when the president is a republican? Aren't the house democrats playing a role in this?

Trump last week: I’ll own the shutdown.
Or

Trump says he would be 'proud' to shut down the government over border wall funding

He clearly owns it .. you can’t blame that away
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Trump last week: I’ll own the shutdown.
Or

Trump says he would be 'proud' to shut down the government over border wall funding

He clearly owns it .. you can’t blame that away
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i can ask what you think? who owned the last shutdown?
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i can ask what you think? who owned the last shutdown?
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Rand Paul

Repubs are fed up with Nancy and her zero stance period

They passed the Senate bills that Trump already agreed to. Seriously...
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This is pretty comical to watch
https://youtu.be/Zk0myOprv_k
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Rand Paul

has there ever been a shutdown that wasnt the republicans fault?
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It will end when terrorists get the idea, this is the time to really get that one big hit they haven't had in so long, when our defenses are down.

The other scenario this ends, is when enough republicans defect the Trump camp as their 2020 re-election chances are starting to get to odds they don't like.

Trump is learning he's not the only one capable of playing hard ball and it's got to be making him nuts. It sucks for the government workers being held hostage, it sucks that this shutdown will in fact have a really bad impact on the economy, it's not a matter of if now, just to what extent. These career politicians all suck and Trump has shown that a fu*k up real estate (bankruptcy expert) tycoon isn't any better for America.

The calls from their constituents are likely starting to ring off the hook, eventually those will start to have an impact as well.
Not just terrorists you have to worry about Bob
Evil thrives in chaos
Secure the border and end the chaos seems simple enough to me but our government is acting like children especially Democrats and their like.
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I won’t argue that and the biggest child of them all is sitting in the Oval Office.
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has there ever been a shutdown that wasnt the republicans fault?
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When a Republican does it on purpose, it’s his fault
I guarantee you Democrats have caused shutdowns but you asked who caused the last one
https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwjg2Ouen_bfAhWsd98KHeyLByEQzPwBegQIARAD&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.vanityfair.com%2Fnews%2F2018 %2F02%2Frand-paul-shutdown&psig=AOvVaw3ZfywxL9ih8wpPO5QNtzW3&ust=1547863560712623
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The senate has enough votes to pass a gavernment funding bill to get things rolling but Mitch the Turtle refuses to allow the vote to be held. What a turd.
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The senate has enough votes to pass a gavernment funding bill to get things rolling but Mitch the Turtle refuses to allow the vote to be held. What a turd.
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He likely has a veto proof majority even if he’d let them vote.

This is all a distraction from the investigations bearing down. It is about to get worse.
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The largest group of families this year was picked up yesterday after coming into the country thru a tunnel under the WALL.
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They passed the Senate bills that Trump already agreed to. Seriously...
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Yup....

Then Rush, Ann and Sean told him that was not ok...

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The largest group of families this year was picked up yesterday after coming into the country thru a tunnel under the WALL.
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We all know that a wall isn't foolproof, no one is saying it is. We are saying it will HELP. We say that, because walls HELPED in San Diego and Yuma.

GS, let's say 300,000 illegals cross our border each year. Are you really going to say, that a wall won't reduce that number? NO ONE IS SAYING it will reduce it to zero. So you can stop pointing to examples of people circumventing walls. We know it happens.

But walls help reduce the number who cross. No one is saying anything else, and there is no rational argument against that. Telling us that some people bypass the barrier, doesn't refute the notion that walls block SOME people.

In the 20 years I've been following politics, I have never seen honesty and logic abandoned as completely as it has on this issue. Never.

The senate has enough votes to pass a gavernment funding bill to get things rolling but Mitch the Turtle refuses to allow the vote to be held. What a turd.
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The democrats would have no reason to compromise on the wall, without the pressure of the shutdown.

The entire GOP screwed the workers by not doing this when they controlled the congress. And today, the democrats are screwing the workers by refusing to agree to the wall, when they supported in in 2006 and 2013. They are only opposing it now, and saying the idiotic things they're saying (walls are immoral and don't work) because they have lost their minds with hatred for Trump.

Both sides hate each other more than they care about the workers. And this is why I'm conservative, I don't want the feds anywhere near my family's well being.

We all know that a wall isn't foolproof, no one is saying it is. We are saying it will HELP. We say that, because walls HELPED in San Diego and Yuma.

GS, let's say 300,000 illegals cross our border each year. Are you really going to say, that a wall won't reduce that number? NO ONE IS SAYING it will reduce it to zero. So you can stop pointing to examples of people circumventing walls. We know it happens.

But walls help reduce the number who cross. No one is saying anything else, and there is no rational argument against that. Telling us that some people bypass the barrier, doesn't refute the notion that walls block SOME people.

In the 20 years I've been following politics, I have never seen honesty and logic abandoned as completely as it has on this issue. Never.

A wall the entire length isn’t the answer, THAT is the argument, taking the same money and spreading it out over various technologies including some sections of wall makes more sense. Will you just admit this is all political and to fulfill a campaign promise. You keep asking everyone to give Trimp credit where credit is due, well I think it’s time for you to at least be honest about his intent here.
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He likely has a veto proof majority even if he’d let them vote.

This is all a distraction from the investigations bearing down. It is about to get worse.
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Code red Jeff?
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A wall the entire length isn’t the answer, THAT is the argument, taking the same money and spreading it out over various technologies including some sections of wall makes more sense. Will you just admit this is all political and to fulfill a campaign promise. You keep asking everyone to give Trimp credit where credit is due, well I think it’s time for you to at least be honest about his intent here.
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"A wall the entire length isn’t the answer"

Then you'll be glad to hear, that's not what Trump is asking for, not even close. He wants to extend what we have, not run it the whole border. You don't even know what you're arguing against.

People die in car accidents. Does that mean air bags don't work? They help. H-E-L-P, help. They make it better than things would be without them. Not perfect, but better.

"spreading it out over various technologies including some sections of wall makes more sense"

Great, again I have good news, Trump also wants to incorporate different technologies - cameras, drones, more agents. Again, you are opposing Trump even when you want the same thing.

Walls HELPED in San Diego and Yuma, there is no arguing that. Why wouldn't they help elsewhere?

Howling at the moon here...

The party that is currently whining about the other party spent 6 years prior to this administration blocking everything possible that administration wanted to do
It’s politics what goes around comes around
Somebody needs to learn how to negotiate and stick to his word. Ask McConnell if he got boned by Trump on this shutdown
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The party that is currently whining about the other party spent 6 years prior to this administration blocking everything possible that administration wanted to do
It’s politics what goes around comes around
Somebody needs to learn how to negotiate and stick to his word. Ask McConnell if he got boned by Trump on this shutdown
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That's true. But let's at least admit that the democrats aren't opposing on principle, because they were in favor of this in 2006 and 2013. This is all about Trump.

Did the GOP block anything that they had previously been on record as supporting?

But you are correct, both sides care more about politics than they care about fixing things. We need to elect a different kind of congress.

That's true. But let's at least admit that the democrats aren't opposing on principle, because they were in favor of this in 2006 and 2013. This is all about Trump.

Did the GOP block anything that they had previously been on record as supporting?


First the part that consistently is overlooked here is Trump changed his budget for the Wall from 1.6 Billion that would have passed when originally presented to more than 5 Billion in December

I'll let you judge if they let anything thru, here is what the leaders of the House and Senate said at the time.

Here’s John Boehner, the likely speaker if Republicans take the House, offering his plans for Obama’s agenda: “We're going to do everything — and I mean everything we can do — to kill it, stop it, slow it down, whatever we can.”

Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell summed up his plan to National Journal: “The single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president.”

pete i dont have any issue with them saying they want obama to be a one term president. iis nancy pelosi neutral in whether or
kit trump gets a second term? i have no problem with that at all. i’m not saying the gop was accommodating to obama, but i didn’t hear any of the republicans say in public they they were going to “impeach the mother——er.”.

we are witnessing new levels of obstruction here.
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we are witnessing new levels of obstruction here.
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The dems have passed three times now a budget the senate already passed out of committee and that Trump said he would sign. You’re dellusional.
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The dems have passed three times now a budget the senate already passed out of committee and that Trump said he would sign. You’re dellusional.
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And the talk of impeaching the mother----er before there is any proof of an impeachable offense, is...?

And the talk of impeaching the mother----er before there is any proof of an impeachable offense, is...?
If you don’t think Trump is highly guilty of obstruction of justice you’re not paying attention.
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If you don’t think Trump is highly guilty of obstruction of justice you’re not paying attention.
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Jim pays attention, he just is not a sheep and also doesn't worship the likes of CNN,MSNBC and all the other biased supposed news sources

If you don’t think Trump is highly guilty of obstruction of justice you’re not paying attention.
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maybe i’m not. i have no problem
impeaching him if he committed an impeachable offense. i would
just hope that determination isn’t made by people who are foaming at the mouth with hatred of him.

trump is a unique character in this role, and not in a a good way. the democrats could resist, and do so with dignity. they are not. they are humiliating themselves.
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If you don’t think Trump is highly guilty of obstruction of justice you’re not watching CNN.
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Correct Sir

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Correct Sir

that was pretty good...

does he mean for firing comey? under comey, the fbi became the private investigative firm of the dnc.
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pete i dont have any issue with them saying they want obama to be a one term president. iis nancy pelosi neutral in whether or
kit trump gets a second term? i have no problem with that at all. i’m not saying the gop was accommodating to obama, but i didn’t hear any of the republicans say in public they they were going to “impeach the mother——er.”.

we are witnessing new levels of obstruction here.
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The other party disagreeing is not obstruction, they are allowed to do that in this country. Elections have consequences.
Nothing new here except calling the president a MF, though who knows what Nixon's "expletive deleted" was.
Here is one and there is a list of people who called for Obamas impeachment for various reasons, feel free to hunt them down or Google them up.
At a 2013 town hall meeting with constituents, two years after Obama had released his long-form birth certificate to the public, Congressman Blake Farenthold said that Obama should be impeached due to conspiracy theories relating to Obama's birth certificate. Farenthold said that he thinks that "the House is already out of the barn on this, on the whole birth certificate issue."
According to a July 2014 YouGov poll, 35% of Americans believed President Obama should be impeached, including 68% of Republicans.
Wonder if there is a Poll for that on Trump
Though there is a poll that says:
Fifty-two percent of Americans don’t trust most, or indeed any, polls, according to a … poll :hee:

pete i agree that disagreeing isn’t nevessarily obstruction. but opposing a wall that you previously supported, sure looks like pure obstruction.

nothing new? that idiot socialist from queens, alexandria cortez, isn’t new? the new congresswomen from MN who called jews “evil’, and who nancy pelosi put in the foreign affairs committee, isn’t new? democrats sitting during the SOTU when Trump brags about low black unemployment isn’t new? i don’t remember this lunacy before. calling a wall immiral and racist isn’t new? walls are racist? itnoring that the economy is roaring, isn’t new? boy when the economy improved under obama, that good news was everywhere.

yes elections have consequences. remember that if ginsberg retires.
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maybe i’m not. i have no problem
impeaching him if he committed an impeachable offense. i would
just hope that determination isn’t made by people who are foaming at the mouth with hatred of him.

trump is a unique character in this role, and not in a a good way. the democrats could resist, and do so with dignity. they are not. they are humiliating themselves.
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If he directed Cohen to lie to Congress and there is proof (beyond Cohen's statement). It is game over. Forget any of the other potential collusion, inauguration or host of other potential funny business. Both sides should see that.

Read this and see if you can tell me what the Trump administration wants to do with a wall, notice that he asked for 1.6 Billion not 5+
https://www.gao.gov/assets/700/693488.pdf

I budget and plan construction projects everyday, that is not the way to do it cost effectively.
As far as AOC goes, while I don't agree with her viewpoints, she makes Trump look like an amateur at social media and hopefully will get more young people to vote. They likely won't all agree with her either, but perhaps the Republicans should think about how to attract them. They are not doing well with that demographic now and it will grow as all the Republicans get grayer and grayer.
I believe she called Israel evil and America's view of Israel and Palestine is a false tale, look beyond the propaganda that you are fed on that. There are more sides to that story than we are told.
Better look at Obama's SOTU and see who was sitting and when
The wall and racists is political spin on both sides.
When the economy improved under Obama, Republicans were blatting about the deficit, now with Trump the economy is still improving and Republicans as usual are growing the deficit with few complaints.
Whatever happened to infrastructure, anyways?

If he directed Cohen to lie to Congress and there is proof (beyond Cohen's statement). It is game over. Forget any of the other potential collusion, inauguration or host of other potential funny business. Both sides should see that.

if he directed cohen to lie, i agree that’s proof. but that came out yesterday, and people have been screaming for impeachment for two years. he beat them, and he made them look unbelievably stupid along the way, so they hate him. they hated w bush for the same reason, and he was a good guy.

part of me hopes he gets impeached, i like pence.
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if he directed cohen to lie, i agree that’s proof. but that came out yesterday, and people have been screaming forminorachment for two years. he beat them, and he made them look unbelievably stupid along the way, so they hate him. they hated w bush for the same reason, and he was a good guy.
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One (hating him) does not preclude the need to act if he broke the law. Nor should it stop someone who doesn't hate him from acting.

If he directed Cohen to lie to Congress and there is proof (beyond Cohen's statement). It is game over. Forget any of the other potential collusion, inauguration or host of other potential funny business. Both sides should see that.
Here’s the rub, the reporting wasn’t really about Cohen’s statement. The big deal is Mueller appearently has internal Trump Org emails and texts that are the source of the story. Cohen’s confirmation is just more on the pile.

If the story is true Trump is done. Getting 20 republican senators to cross the aisle won’t be a problem.
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Here’s the rub, the reporting wasn’t really about Cohen’s statement. The big deal is Mueller appearently has internal Trump Org emails and texts that are the source of the story. Cohen’s confirmation is just more on the pile.

If the story is true Trump is done. Getting 20 republican senators to cross the aisle won’t be a problem.
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But her emails!!!!!!
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One (hating him) does not preclude the need to act if he broke the law. Nor should it stop someone who doesn't hate him from acting.
i agree. i’m talking about the comparisons to hitler, the freaking out that he’s attacking our liberties, he’s a dictator, blah blah blah.
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But her emails!!!!!!
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here’s the thing. i have said he deserves to be held accountable for his actions. who are the liberals here, who said the same about hilary? none.
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here’s the thing. i have said he deserves to be held accountable for his actions. who are the liberals here, who said the same about hilary? none.
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That’s because we knew it was a joke. ;)
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Here’s the rub, the reporting wasn’t really about Cohen’s statement. The big deal is Mueller apparently has internal Trump Org emails and texts that are the source of the story. Cohen’s confirmation is just more on the pile.

If the story is true Trump is done. Getting 20 republican senators to cross the aisle won’t be a problem.
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I agree, but until we see it 'in writing', it remains mostly based on Cohen's comments right now. It seems to be well sourced right now. I don't think anyone in Congress will act before it is laid bare in front of them.

here’s the thing. i have said he deserves to be held accountable for his actions. who are the liberals here, who said the same about hilary? none.
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Hillary’s actions are in no way equal to Trump’s. Not to mention her record of public service versus his self service.
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That’s because we knew it was a joke. ;)
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so when comey said she acted very irresponsibly, and when people here said how serious it was ( and. it right wing nuts but neutral people
like john and tdf), and the demonstrable
lies she told ( never anything classified), that was all “a joke”. gotcha!

how about when she said she came under sniper fire, when video showed it was a peaceful ceremony? how would you describe that?
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Hillary’s actions are in no way equal to Trump’s. Not to mention her record of public service versus his self service.
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didn’t say they were equal. but they weren’t something to ignore and defend, yet that’s precisely what you did, because you like her.
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how about when she said she came under sniper fire, when video showed it was a peaceful ceremony? how would you describe that?
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Maybe that was her "Vietnam"

I agree, but until we see it 'in writing', it remains mostly based on Cohen's comments right now. It seems to be well sourced right now. I don't think anyone in Congress will act before it is laid bare in front of them.

When Barr was questioned on whether he would share the report, it was clear he was going to prepare a summary and his interpretation of the report and while that is a bit concerning in light of his memo; I think even he would be forced to put those cards in front of congress. I sincerely hope we are in fact getting close to the report coming so we can all be put out of our misery.

Maybe that was her "Vietnam"

you can’t just say it was a terrible thing for her to do?
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didn’t say they were equal. but they weren’t something to ignore and defend, yet that’s precisely what you did, because you like her.
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I’ve said many times the email thing was unwise but I don’t see how she used it for any gain. You just can’t get over it. But. But. But.
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you can’t just say it was a terrible thing for her to do?
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I don't care about her, she's gone
She lied

I don't care about her, she's gone
She lied
I don’t even see how you can say she lied. Out of tens of thousands of email I think there were three that carried a paragraph stamp? I wouldn’t catch that. The others had info classified retroactively like NYT reports on drones that should have never even been classified.

Lying assumes you know you’re not telling the truth.
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I don’t even see how you can say she lied. Out of tens of thousands of email I think there were three that carried a paragraph stamp? I wouldn’t catch that. The others had info classified retroactively like NYT reports on drones that should have never even been classified.

Lying assumes you know you’re not telling the truth.
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I was speaking of her claim that she was shot at, I'll stay out of the email/server argument.
Remember how many lawyer jokes there are, just three, the rest are true stories.

I’ve said many times the email thing was unwise but I don’t see how she used it for any gain. You just can’t get over it. But. But. But.
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"I’ve said many times the email thing was unwise"

Don't be so rough on her.

"I don’t see how she used it for any gain" No one ever said she gained by it. You guys have an amazing consistent habit, when backed into a corner, of offering a gotcha! answer to a question that nobody has ever asked.

"You just can’t get over it"

I'm LONG over it, I put it completely out of my mind on election night. Nebe brought it up, not me. Again, you're having some difficulty with reality here.

I don’t even see how you can say she lied. Out of tens of thousands of email I think there were three that carried a paragraph stamp? I wouldn’t catch that. The others had info classified retroactively like NYT reports on drones that should have never even been classified.

Lying assumes you know you’re not telling the truth.
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"]I don’t even see how you can say she lied"

She said she handed over all the emails (except the thousands she didn't), she said she never put anything that was ever classified on there (except for those that were). You can't see it, because at the mention of her name, all the blood gushes out of your brain and heads south.

"Out of tens of thousands of email I think there were three that carried a paragraph stamp? I wouldn’t catch that."

If you can't catch the difference between an email announcing cake for someone'e retirement party, and an email with a list of names of American undercover agents, maybe you shouldn't be Sec State.

I don't care about her, she's gone
She lied

That's not what Spence says.

I don’t even see how you can say she lied.
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How about coming under sniper fire?

I agree, but until we see it 'in writing', it remains mostly based on Cohen's comments right now. It seems to be well sourced right now. I don't think anyone in Congress will act before it is laid bare in front of them.

Seems like it is not documented after all

Similar to that unverified dossier

And it drags on more and more
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Mueller's office issued a statement, saying that the Buzzfeed report that Trump ordered Cohen to lie, is false. Sorry Spence. according to Mueller, this is fake news. not al news bashing trump is fake. but some is. because the media, like
others, cares more about bringing him down than about the truth.

if mueller’s camp is correct, which they ought to know.

CNN said this
morning that the buzzfeed story is “100 percent true”.

but russia!!!
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and Ronan Farrow is saying he had the story also, and refused to run it, because he found serious issues with the supposed sources. but it was good enough for buzzfeed and CNN.

but trump is lying when he complains of fake news.
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[QUOTE=Jim in CT;1160036]and Ronan Farrow is saying he had the story also, and refused to run it, because he found serious issues with the supposed sources. but it was good enough for buzzfeed and CNN.

but trump is lying when he complains of fake news.
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All coverage I heard or read clearly stated the story had not been coberated by other sources

Yes trump is lying about fake news .?

And your making fake claims that CNN said the buzz feed story is 100% true


This may be the smoking gun in the Russia investigation is this your 100%

Mueller's office issued a statement, saying that the Buzzfeed report that Trump ordered Cohen to lie, is false. Sorry Spence. according to Mueller, this is fake news. not al news bashing trump is fake. but some is. because the media, like
others, cares more about bringing him down than about the truth.

if mueller’s camp is correct, which they ought to know.

Now you believe Muller . And TRuth ..... until now it's been a witch hunt and fake :tm:

[QUOTE=Jim in CT;1160036]and Ronan Farrow is saying he had the story also, and refused to run it, because he found serious issues with the supposed sources. but it was good enough for buzzfeed and CNN.

but trump is lying when he complains of fake news.
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All coverage I heard or read clearly stated the story had not been coberated by other sources

Yes trump is lying about fake news .?

And your making fake claims that CNN said the buzz feed story is 100% true


This may be the smoking gun in the Russia investigation is this your 100%

cnn mornings show said
it was 100 percent true.

this isn’t fake news?
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Mueller's office issued a statement, saying that the Buzzfeed report that Trump ordered Cohen to lie, is false. Sorry Spence. according to Mueller, this is fake news. not al news bashing trump is fake. but some is. because the media, like
others, cares more about bringing him down than about the truth.

if mueller’s camp is correct, which they ought to know.
It doesn’t mean it’s fake, more likely just confused. Remember there are multiple investigations. The leaks may have come from the Southern District of NY investigation and not the Mueller investigation which doesn’t have any history of leaking.
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Mueller's office issued a statement, saying that the Buzzfeed report that Trump ordered Cohen to lie, is false.



It doesn’t mean it’s fake

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:rotf3::rotf3::rotf3::rotf3::kewl:

Seems like it is not documented after all

Similar to that unverified dossier
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Seems like a lot of the dossier has actually been verified and even the author said it was 70 to 90 percent correct.
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Mueller's office issued a statement, saying that the Buzzfeed report that Trump ordered Cohen to lie, is false
No, if you’d bother to read that’s not what the Mueller investigation statement said.
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Seems like a lot of the dossier has actually been verified and even the author said it was 70 to 90 percent correct.
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this is hilarious on so many levels....

Spence, it doesn’t mean it’s fake i guess. it does mean that buzzfeed and cnn cares
more about smearing trump than they cared about getting it right. they don’t like him, and instead of working to beat him fairly in the next election, they’re endlessly smearing him.

CNN is reporting today that Trump started the Chicago fire, and framed Mrs O’Learys cow.

this is all a joke. and i’m in favor of investigating the guy, but as often happens with the left, this is deranged, and contrary to the principles we were founded on. the media
isn’t looking for truth, they have already decided the desired outcome.
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this is hilarious on so many levels....

that really is
something. so they got the weather that day correct, so what if they fabricated what happened.
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Now you believe Muller . And TRuth ..... until now it's been a witch hunt and fake :tm:

oh man you’re
precious. has
Mueller ever said
Anything that people
widely didn’t believe? you’re suggesting Mueller is
lying to protect Trump? nah you’re not biased!!

what evidence could
youmpoasibly have, that buzzfeed is correct and mueller is lying? Just because you WANT that to be true, doesn’t make it true. i know how sad you are. hang in there.

oh and Roman Farrow is also lying to make Trump look good?

you are bonkers.
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It doesn’t mean it’s fake, more likely just confused. Remember there are multiple investigations. The leaks may have come from the Southern District of NY investigation and not the Mueller investigation which doesn’t have any history of leaking.
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how is your explanation “more likely “ than the
notion that buzzfeed got conned by a dishonest source? what do you know, which makes that more likely? please share?

i know how hot and bothered you were at the possibilities here, and now you have to take a cold
shower. i’m sorry.
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cnn mornings show said
it was 100 percent true.

this isn’t fake news?
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So if you find your needle in 1 haystack .. it’s true. Like you can keep your doctor statement you present as a lie Constantly. Even though millions kept their doctor

Did Bush’s lie when he said no new taxes ? I suggest no because at that time he ment it.. then events changed

Also Miller’s Team did not say the story was not true or false. That it was not accurate now why would they frame it those Terms?
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So if you find your needle in 1 haystack .. it’s true. Like you can keep your doctor statement you present as a lie Constantly. Even though millions kept their doctor

Did Bush’s lie when he said no new taxes ? I suggest no because at that time he ment it.. then events changed

Also Miller’s Team did not say the story was not true or false. That it was not accurate now why would they frame it those Terms?
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i don’t think obama lies about keeping your doctor, i think he was just wrong. i think he believed it when he said it.

you really don’t know how to make an argument. it doesn’t matter how many were able to keep their doctor...all that matters, is whether or not a
meaningful number we’re unable to keep their doctor. it’s like the wall, you think you can prove the wall doesn’t work by stating that it won’t stop everyone, when no one has ever said it will stop everyone.

you are correct that muellers statement leaves some questions unanswered. but roman farrow, a diehard liberal, refused to run the story because he doubted the sources. so it’s not just the mueller statement.

the press is, in effect, attempting a coup. they hate trump, they can’t bear to wait until the next fair election, so they decided to do everything they can to get him booted. obviously he’s not an innocent bystander, there’s smoke there that needs a fair investigation. but there’s also plenty of smoke with hilary, and the media would
not be doing this, not to this extent, if she had won.

the media isn’t seeking truth. they are seeking a way to get rid of trump. it’s not supposed to work that way. the country needs, really needs especially with a guy like trump, a free and fair and honest press. not one that attacks his wife’s wardrobe or christmas decorations.
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If the story is false, shame on them for fanning the flames, it’s not like the fires of desent needed more fuel. We aren’t going to get all the truth until mueller is ready to report his findings.
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What this guy is pointing out - is exactly why the Democrats are raising holy hell about the shutdown. They realize a good portion of their voting base just lost their jobs.

Sooner or later a lot of these Federal employees are going to HAVE TO go find other jobs just to keep going. The Nightly News references this every single night when it constantly finds a new family that "only has a week of savings".

Trump must have heard somebody say "starve the beast" - and actually figured out what it meant.


https://tteclod.wordpress.com/2019/01/15/the-truth-about-the-shutdown-smoke-out-the-resistance/
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What this guy is pointing out - is exactly why the Democrats are raising holy hell about the shutdown. They realize a good portion of their voting base just lost their jobs.

Sooner or later a lot of these Federal employees are going to HAVE TO go find other jobs just to keep going. The Nightly News references this every single night when it constantly finds a new family that "only has a week of savings".

Trump must have heard somebody say "starve the beast" - and actually figured out what it meant.


https://tteclod.wordpress.com/2019/01/15/the-truth-about-the-shutdown-smoke-out-the-resistance/
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He’s just draining the swamp.
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If the story is false, shame on them for fanning the flames, it’s not like the fires of desent needed more fuel. We aren’t going to get all the truth until mueller is ready to report his findings.
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Ronan Farrow wouldn't run it. He's a diehard liberal.

What this guy is pointing out - is exactly why the Democrats are raising holy hell about the shutdown. They realize a good portion of their voting base just lost their jobs.

Sooner or later a lot of these Federal employees are going to HAVE TO go find other jobs just to keep going. The Nightly News references this every single night when it constantly finds a new family that "only has a week of savings".

Trump must have heard somebody say "starve the beast" - and actually figured out what it meant.


https://tteclod.wordpress.com/2019/01/15/the-truth-about-the-shutdown-smoke-out-the-resistance/
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Just another anti Government rant ,,, willing to destroy working Americans ... cloaked in the Argument of Saving America or MAGA

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the media isn’t seeking truth. they are seeking a way to get rid of trump. it’s not supposed to work that way. the country needs, really needs especially with a guy like trump, a free and fair and honest press. not one that attacks his wife’s wardrobe or christmas decorations.
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Its amazing you start of sounding reasonable .. than you end with the above nonsense

And ignore all Trumps Actions and complain when reported you have confused Traditional media with internet bloggers and sites claiming to be Journalists (which are just click bait sites )

and no one ever said a bad word about Michelle Obama

Fox News Calls Michelle “Obama’s Baby Mama”...

and Ronan Farrow is saying he had the story also, and refused to run it, because he found serious issues with the supposed sources. but it was good enough for buzzfeed and CNN.
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This isn’t what he said. You should reread.
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Its amazing you start of sounding reasonable .. than you end with the above nonsense

And ignore all Trumps Actions and complain when reported you have confused Traditional media with internet bloggers and sites claiming to be Journalists (which are just click bait sites )

and no one ever said a bad word about Michelle Obama

Fox News Calls Michelle “Obama’s Baby Mama”...

the media attacked her wardrobe and xmas decorations. foxnews us one station that in a good night has 3 million viewers. that’s one percent of the population.

who on foxnews said that about michelle obama? which host?
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This isn’t what he said. You should reread.
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farrow found doubts as to whether or not there was evidence trump
ordered the
lying.

i can read . you should stop acting like every anti trump rumor is a cure for ED.

https://masscentral.com/ronan-farrow-just-drove-the-final-nail-into-buzzfeeds-coffin/
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Mueller might be saying something isn’t factually correct when in fact it’s very close to being correct.
#lockthemup
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Mueller might be saying something isn’t factually correct when in fact it’s very close to being correct.
#lockthemup
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maybe. and maybe the media can go back to reporting the news. you know, stuff that actually happened.
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Mueller might be saying something isn’t factually correct when in fact it’s very close to being correct.
#lockthemup
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I think it’s more simple than that, Mueller’s office is just saying the leak didn’t come from his investigation.
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I think it’s more simple than that, Mueller’s office is just saying the leak didn’t come from his investigation.
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based on what?
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Mueller might be saying something isn’t factually correct when in fact it’s very close to being correct.
#lockthemup
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yup...that is far more likely than Muller saying something isn’t factually correct because it isn't factually correct.....:doh:

based on what?
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This may shock you. Critical thinking.
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This may shock you. Critical thinking.
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it would shock all of us if you were critical of anything that benefits the left.
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it would shock all of us if you were critical of anything that benefits the left.
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I’m thinking of what would benefit the country.
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I’m thinking of what would benefit the country.
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You voted for Hillary, didn't you. That pokes a pretty big hole in that statement. :hihi:

I can just see Maury Povich telling you the lie detector proved that was a lie
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I’m thinking of what would benefit the country.
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now, you’re thinking you made up your
kind that the liberal is right, and then you focus on everything that supports that, and pretend there isn’t another viable option.

always. always.
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You voted for Hillary, didn't you. That pokes a pretty big hole in that statement. :hihi:
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I certainly did once Trump got the nomination. Probably would have gone for Kasich or even Jeb but didn’t have those options.
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I certainly did once Trump got the nomination. Probably would have gone for Kasich or even Jeb but didn’t have those options.
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Did you go H or Bernie?
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Did you go H or Bernie?
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Was never a burner like Nebe.
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Was never a burner like Nebe.
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A vote for Hillary is a vote for...unity?

I was hoping for Kasich also but knew he had no chance ultimately.
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