There is a new study out detailing the rise of deaths from this terrible drug between 2011-2016. Nice to see the government intervene but sad it took so long.

Don't think there are a lot of new addicts entering the ring as there was 10 years ago .. fentanyl has changed the game and even with this new danger it's not a deterrent...

And sadly it took afluent communitys to start feeling the effects of addiction for the government to pay attention
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Sadly,the Obama administration missed the mark here,maybe not enough empathy for those who were struggling.
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This is a terrible epidemic that needs to be helped to help.


The stuff coming in now (mostly from China) is extremely dangerous

Sadly,the Obama administration missed the mark here,maybe not enough empathy for those who were struggling.
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Most state were slow on the size of the issue and stuck in old views of addiction and who they were.. and have turned the corner

Not really a federal issue .outside funding and wasn't a very bipartisan topic until red and blue states both started feeling it effects. Then they came around

It's a topic with no easy fixes and it does not discriminate based on race social status or where you live

Addiction is a rapacious creditor


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Heartbreaking
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Sadly,the Obama administration missed the mark here,maybe not enough empathy for those who were struggling.
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I like how you test drove this snark a few times, got no takers so you started a thread. Epic take down :1poke:

I thought the funniest thing was mentioning Obama and empathy when Trump's budget guts cancer research, makes education more expensive, hurts health coverage of millions of Americans. It cuts 4.5B from National inst. of Health, 25B fromn S. Security, $200B from student loan programs, $818B from Medicare and $1.5T from Medicaid.

I thought the funniest thing was mentioning Obama and empathy when Trump's budget guts cancer research, makes education more expensive, hurts health coverage of millions of Americans. It cuts 4.5B from National inst. of Health, 25B fromn S. Security, $200B from student loan programs, $818B from Medicare and $1.5T from Medicaid.

If the federal gov. got out of "funding" most of those things, costs could actually go down. And wouldn't it be "funniest" if the fed gov funded everything we want and need? Then everything would be "freeeee"!!

Heartbreaking
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Such insight
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If the federal gov. got out of "funding" most of those things, costs could actually go down. And wouldn't it be "funniest" if the fed gov funded everything we want and need? Then everything would be "freeeee"!!

Or we could just say it shows the lack of empathy and compassion for the poor that this Administration has
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Or we could just say it shows the lack of empathy and compassion for the poor that this Administration has
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Empathy and compassion are not indicated as a federal responsibility in the U.S. Constitution. Why on earth would you want the federal government to be responsible for the poor? Is there anything that you think the federal government should not do for you?

So I guess your logical conclusion is don't do anything as far as those things are concerned. That shows the different outlook between people of different political persuasions. At least we don't have to hear that compassionate conservative garbage anymore
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I like how you test drove this snark a few times, got no takers so you started a thread. Epic take down :1poke:

The WaPo had an in depth article about this last week Jeff,didn’t notice I suppose. Obama fumbled but wait....it’s the states who were at fault. Why do you refer to this as a snark?
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Or we could just say it shows the lack of empathy and compassion for the poor that this Administration has
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They are addressing the opiate epidemic. Albeit without compassion and empathy.
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So I guess your logical conclusion is don't do anything as far as those things are concerned. That shows the different outlook between people of different political persuasions. At least we don't have to hear that compassionate conservative garbage anymore
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"logical conclusion"?? Where do you find this "logic" in what I posted? Did I say, or even in the minutest way imply, that nothing should be done? Why must the federal government do it as a matter of compassion or empathy? Is there any limitation, in your mind, on the federal government's compassionate and empathic responsibility? And do you think that the best empathy and compassion in our society would be that distributed by some federal bureaucratic agency? Even if compassion and empathy were its constitutional mandate? Which they are not.

The administration wants to do away with Obamacare. 20 million Americans will lose coverage. That lack of empathy keeps coming to the surface with this Administration.
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The administration wants to do away with Obamacare. 20 million Americans will lose coverage. That lack of empathy keeps coming to the surface with this Administration.
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they’re not proposing to replace it with anything?
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The administration wants to do away with Obamacare. 20 million Americans will lose coverage. That lack of empathy keeps coming to the surface with this Administration.
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Imagine how short and sweet the Constitution could be if we could only see the true nature of government--compassion. Just think of it--the Constitution wouldn't need too many more words other than "The federal government shall be compassionate."

Seems perfectly reasonable to me
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Seems perfectly reasonable to me
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I thought you'd like it.

Education - DeVos' budget would cut more than $7 billion from the Education Department, about 10 percent of its current budget and create a tax credit for individual and companies that donate to scholarships for private schools. - I guess the tax cut wasn't enough for the rich.

She also cut funding for the special Olympics - Those olympians must be the "takers" we've heard so much about. A burden on society as they don't pay their own way.

Education - DeVos' budget would cut more than $7 billion from the Education Department, about 10 percent of its current budget and create a tax credit for individual and companies that donate to scholarships for private schools. - I guess the tax cut wasn't enough for the rich.

She also cut funding for the special Olympics - Those olympians must be the "takers" we've heard so much about. A burden on society as they don't pay their own way.

I am hoping tuition counts as a donation. It could be new boat time.
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Education - DeVos' budget would cut more than $7 billion from the Education Department, about 10 percent of its current budget and create a tax credit for individual and companies that donate to scholarships for private schools. - I guess the tax cut wasn't enough for the rich.

She also cut funding for the special Olympics - Those olympians must be the "takers" we've heard so much about. A burden on society as they don't pay their own way.

Here is the proposed budget, you are tasked with decreasing by $7B, what are you saving vs what are you cutting? Let's hear it.

Something to ponder, Special Olympics is being cut by $12.6M but they still took in over $110M through other means FY17, so that is not going to shutdown the program.

yes it sucks, but they have to curb Govt Spending somewhere.

How about making the ultra wealthy pay what they were paying bf they were given a tax cut that they didn't need rather then ask the weakest in our society to take a 11% cut?
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How about making the ultra wealthy pay what they were paying bf they were given a tax cut that they didn't need rather then ask the weakest in our society to take a 11% cut?
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i agree, find something else to cut. live the special olympics
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Education - DeVos' budget would cut more than $7 billion from the Education Department, about 10 percent of its current budget and create a tax credit for individual and companies that donate to scholarships for private schools. - I guess the tax cut wasn't enough for the rich.


Why is the federal government spending money on public education? Why is there a federal Education Department? Public education is a state responsibility, and the states fund over 90% of public education. So the federal government would cut 10% of its 10% contribution (not very much money overall)--a contribution that it has no constitutional directive to give.

And we must cry over this as we keep adding to the national debt. A "compassionate" federal government which is able to spend more than it has will inevitably lead to an uncompassionate and unsustainable debt which those who are supposed to be the benefactors of government compassion will have to pay for.

i agree, find something else to cut. live the special olympics
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Why is the federal government funding special Olympics? I'm going to ask this question again, which has not been answered the several times I asked it before, ARE STATES NECESSARY?

i agree, find something else to cut. live the special olympics
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Ok, then can you tell me where we are going to make the cuts. $7B has to come out, where are you taking it from?
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Hard choices no doubt. What you cut/increase is in many ways a reflection of your values.
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Why is the federal government funding special Olympics? I'm going to ask this question again, which has not been answered the several times I asked it before, ARE STATES NECESSARY?

I totally get what you're saying, and I agree with you 100% in principle. But I have no issue with paying federal income tax to fund the Special Olympics. Sometimes decency can prevail over constitutional technicalities. Maybe that can lead to a slippery slope over what different folks define as "decency".

Cut the National Endowment for the Arts. Manhattan stock brokers don't need my money to subsidize their opera tickets.

Hard choices no doubt. What you cut/increase is in many ways a reflection of your values.
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It's education, aren't they all valuable in some respect? $7B still has to come out.

They've always said that when they have to reduce spending it's going to hurt. Special Olympics at least looks like they are solvent enough to absorb the hit.

They removed scholarships for children of Iraq/Afghanistan Vets who died in action. That one hurts too.

I totally get what you're saying, and I agree with you 100% in principle. But I have no issue with paying federal income tax to fund the Special Olympics. Sometimes decency can prevail over constitutional technicalities. Maybe that can lead to a slippery slope over what different folks define as "decency".

Cut the National Endowment for the Arts. Manhattan stock brokers don't need my money to subsidize their opera tickets.

Jim, no matter how much your sympathy desires the federal government to overreach its powers in order to do what you consider compassionate, you are not going to be allowed to pick and choose which compassionate unconstitutional measures will be allowed. None of the goodies that the left want to fund nationally will be cut in order to appease your desire to fund just the ones you prefer.

In the meantime, as you perfectly well know, the national debt rises. And is never paid down. But just continues to grow as we add new and wonderfully compassionate and nice sounding schemes to the federal roster of caring things it will do "for the people."

This has to stop. Reign the federal government back to within its constitutionally prescribed limitations and miraculously there will be wealth left to the private sector to do wonderful things "for the people". And the people will actually have a say in what those things will be.

When compassion is left to "the people," it will be humane. When it is a function of bureaucracies, it will be as humane as tasks delivered by robots. And the robots will be programmed by a few selected people who have their own interests.

Jim, no matter how much your sympathy desires the federal government to overreach its powers in order to do what you consider compassionate, you are not going to be allowed to pick and choose which compassionate unconstitutional measures will be allowed. None of the goodies that the left want to fund nationally will be cut in order to appease your desire to fund just the ones you prefer.

In the meantime, as you perfectly well know, the national debt rises. And is never paid down. But just continues to grow as we add new and wonderfully compassionate and nice sounding schemes to the federal roster of caring things it will do "for the people."

This has to stop. Reign the federal government back to within its constitutionally prescribed limitations and miraculously there will be wealth left to the private sector to do wonderful things "for the people". And the people will actually have a say in what those things will be.

When compassion is left to "the people," it will be humane. When it is a function of bureaucracies, it will be as humane as tasks delivered by robots. And the robots will be programmed by a few selected people who have their own interests.

I freely concede that I have no logical response to your constitutionally-based argument. I just don't like it. That also makes me a bit of a hypocrite, as I regularly use your logic to make the point that we're supposed to play by the rules, and the rulebook is the Constitution.

Reign the federal government back to within its constitutionally prescribed limitations

Says the guy who Has no issues with Trump's end around Congress on wall funding LOL

Pentagon Takes $1 Billion From Military Personnel Account To Build Border Fence Conservatives are all Giddy



Education Secretary Betsy DeVos proposed massive cuts in the budget request for fiscal 2020, including eliminating $17.6 million to support the Special Olympics.

"We are not doing our children any favors when we borrow from their future in order to invest in systems and policies that are not yielding better results," (is she talking about Military programs like the Osprey and others )


FYI one F-35A in 2019 cost $85 million


and Conservatives are all Giddy and making excuse with twisted Rational how this is Justifiable but again since we AKA (republicans) cut off the country's funding sources with are giant tax cut .... now need to cut spending all over .... Cause and effect

Not sure who to blame,Trump or his base🤷🏽#^&♂️.
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quick quiz for wayne....which is a constitutionally mandated role of the federal government... national defense or special olympics?

I love the special olympics...just following your genius here..:hihi:

also...did federal revenue increase or decrease last year? is it expected to increase or decrease this year?....is it projected to increase or decrease next year?

just following your genius here..:hihi:


Good luck with that....

https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/family_circus_rip1.jpg

Jim, no matter how much your sympathy desires the federal government to overreach its powers in order to do what you consider compassionate, you are not going to be allowed to pick and choose which compassionate unconstitutional measures will be allowed..

So is funding for the Special Olympics and some of the other thing that were mentioned earlier unconstitutional? Things like the education department and scholarships for the children of vets who died in action.
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So is funding for the Special Olympics and some of the other thing that were mentioned earlier unconstitutional? Things like the education department and scholarships for the children of vets who died in action.
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should the federal government give millions of dollars to every private charity organization out there and shouldn't they all get the same funding in the interest of fairness?

So is funding for the Special Olympics and some of the other thing that were mentioned earlier unconstitutional? Things like the education department and scholarships for the children of vets who died in action.
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Article one Section eight of the Constitution lists all the categories on which the Congress shall have the power to lay and collect taxes (ergo to fund). Funding for the Special Olympics would not fall under any of those categories. Therefor, Congress doing so would be exercising a spending authority which it constitutionally does not have. That is, it would be unconstitutional.

Perhaps you could read Article one Section eight and point out how funding the Special Olympics falls within any category of spending that the Constitution gives the Congress power.

So then any Repub. budget that provides funds for the Special Olympics is unconstitutional. And yet you have been crying for years about how the Dems. hate the constitution and don't understand it. Seems like your hate is only 1 sided and hypocritical.

So then any Repub. budget that provides funds for the Special Olympics is unconstitutional. And yet you have been crying for years about how the Dems. hate the constitution and don't understand it. Seems like your hate is only 1 sided and hypocritical.

are you ok? I'm worried about your mental health

are you ok? I'm worried about your mental health

I'm fine. Thanks. busy at work during this time of year.

So then any Repub. budget that provides funds for the Special Olympics is unconstitutional. And yet you have been crying for years about how the Dems. hate the constitution and don't understand it. Seems like your hate is only 1 sided and hypocritical.

I didn't say the Dems hate the Constitution. I said Progressives do. There are Progressives in both parties. Progressives have done a very good and thorough job of spreading their unconstitutional rule by fiat throughout our entire system of government.

Hard choices no doubt. What you cut/increase is in many ways a reflection of your values.
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Could be a change of heart at the White House regarding the special olympics. Would you consider such a decision a reflection of values? Does the word empathy belong in this discussion? If it is true,Trump will still be lambasted somehow.
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Could be a change of heart at the White House regarding the special olympics. Would you consider such a decision a reflection of values? Does the word empathy belong in this discussion? If it is true,Trump will still be lambasted somehow.
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No he changed his mind because it made him look bad... nothing to follow

I'll ask again....should the federal government give millions of dollars to every private charity organization out there and shouldn't they all get the same funding in the interest of fairness? Should "well-connected" wealthy private organizations and charities get more federal funding than those less well-connected and of lesser means????

from USA TODAY

Plus, Special Olympics has donors and lobbyists who are well-connected to members of Congress.

Special Olympics posted almost $149 million in revenue in 2017, with $15 million – or about 10 percent – coming from federal grants, according to its financials

Why is Special Olympics getting so much attention now, when this cut was proposed in previous years?

The same cut to Special Olympics was proposed in the 2009 department budget, long before Trump and DeVos.

No he changed his mind because it made him look bad... nothing to follow

I was wondering who would win the prize.... haha . Who would have guessed that you would be the first snowflake to stand forward and (as usual) give no credit. So he is back in a no win situation. Damned if you do,damned if you don’t. Thanks for displaying your lack of integrity on a regular basis. That could not have worked out better.
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I just learned...thanks to the tv, that single members of the military are being forced to pay for their own fertility treatment if they want to have kids....when will these horrible injustices end????

WHY ISN'T THE GOVERNMENT PAYING FOR EVERYTHING!!!!!

I was wondering who would win the prize.... haha . Who would have guessed that you would be the first snowflake to stand forward and (as usual) give no credit. So he is back in a no win situation. Damned if you do,damned if you don’t. Thanks for displaying your lack of integrity on a regular basis. That could not have worked out better.
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He tells you what happened then you need to come back and insult him.

It could not have worked out better as you demonstrated again that you have nothing to add but childish insults.

Snowflake - what a clown you are.

He tells you what happened then you need to come back and insult him.

It could not have worked out better as you demonstrated again that you have nothing to add but childish insults.

Snowflake - what a clown you are.
Does this mean you agree with the other snowflake? That this was just a pr move to calm the masses. I asked you the question but he decided to answer for you. Like I said,damned if you do and damned if you don’t. This is a perfect example of the left bashing Trump regardless of if he does what they consider to be the right thing. The policy doesn’t matter,it’s whose policy that the snowflakes are united against.
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Does this mean you agree with the other snowflake? That this was just a pr move to calm the masses. I asked you the question but he decided to answer for you. Like I said,damned if you do and damned if you don’t. This is a perfect example of the left bashing Trump regardless of if he does what they consider to be the right thing. The policy doesn’t matter,it’s whose policy that the snowflakes are united against.
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snowflakes - come up with something original (if possible).

The only reason it was reversed was that pols. on both sides hated it. Devoss didn't know what to say when questioned by reporters about it and stood there not saying anything like a 5 year old.

This is a perfect example of the Trumpsters defending his policies no matter what he says or does.

snowflakes - come up with something original (if possible).

The only reason it was reversed was that pols. on both sides hated it. Devoss didn't know what to say when questioned by reporters about it and stood there not saying anything like a 5 year old.

This is a perfect example of the Trumpsters defending his policies no matter what he says or does.

I am honest enough to admit you have a point there Paul. Are you willing to admit the snowflakes are against his policies no matter what he says or does? This is a shining example that he can’t do the right thing in their eyes regardless of whether they agree or not. As far as Devos is concerned,you even admitted the cuts are hard and were hard pressed to come up with an alternative to slash budget. Truth is that the special olympics are well funded and would continue to flourish without public aid but the visuals were certainly bad. Again,Trump did the right thing.He appeased his base as well as the snowflakes but still gets criticized.
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Truth is that the special olympics are well funded and would continue to flourish without public aid but the visuals were certainly bad. Again,Trump did the right thing.He appeased his base as well as the snowflakes but still gets criticized.
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He did the politically correct thing, doesn't make it the right one.
If the truth is that the Special Olympics is actually well funded and doesn't need the help to survive, for what reason other than political expediency does he choose to fund it.
If you feel that the federal government's role is this type of funding, it's likely that there are many other fledgling organizations with noble purpose that could be helped to grow with the application of federal aid, and attain critical mass and also become self funding.
Or do we just give federal funding to everything that sounds like a good idea forever?

I was wondering who would win the prize.... haha . Who would have guessed that you would be the first snowflake to stand forward and (as usual) give no credit. So he is back in a no win situation. Damned if you do,damned if you don’t. Thanks for displaying your lack of integrity on a regular basis. That could not have worked out better.
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Only the faithful would think he deserves credit and a hero reversing what should have never been proposed to start with

Integrity as if you know what it means lol
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Only the faithful would think he deserves credit and a hero reversing what should have never been proposed to start with

Integrity as if you know what it means lol
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He is not a hero to me for doing this. He is either a coward in this matter, a typical politician with his finger to the wind, or too prone to sentiment and ignorant of his constitutional role in the matter. I think it is the latter. But not less wrong or excusable just because of being done by kind hearted sentiment.

The cut should damned well have been proposed, as well as cuts to all the other funding of unconstitutional obligations that the federal government has committed itself to.

Only the faithful would think he deserves credit and a hero reversing what should have never been proposed to start with

Integrity as if you know what it means lol
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You do understand that it was not he who proposed it in the first place I hope. I don’t know who thinks this makes him a hero but if that is your impression then you are a fool. If you don’t give him credit for reversing the policy then exactly who gets the credit? Try to think rather than spouting the snowflake anthem.
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He did the politically correct thing, doesn't make it the right one.
If the truth is that the Special Olympics is actually well funded and doesn't need the help to survive, for what reason other than political expediency does he choose to fund it.
If you feel that the federal government's role is this type of funding, it's likely that there are many other fledgling organizations with noble purpose that could be helped to grow with the application of federal aid, and attain critical mass and also become self funding.
Or do we just give federal funding to everything that sounds like a good idea forever?

All good points PeteF., that is why you are open to criticism no matter which way you turn in situations like these. Stealing from Peter to pay Paul.
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You do understand that it was not he who proposed it in the first place I hope. I don’t know who thinks this makes him a hero but if that is your impression then you are a fool. If you don’t give him credit for reversing the policy then exactly who gets the credit? Try to think rather than spouting the snowflake anthem.
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So who proposed the cut to the special olympics in Trump's budget?

You do understand that it was not he who proposed it in the first place I hope. I don’t know who thinks this makes him a hero but if that is your impression then you are a fool. If you don’t give him credit for reversing the policy then exactly who gets the credit? Try to think rather than spouting the snowflake anthem.
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Funny you talk about snowflakes then you expect him to get credit for reversing the policy... that should never have never been in the budget to start with ..


its called commander's intent it's his Budget its his people he is responsible ... took him 3-4 days to say

I have overridden my people': Trump says he will keep Special Olympics funded


But not once did he say Say his people were wrong ... or anything he was just feeling the Heat

After Trump made the announcement, DeVos thanked the president and said they see "eye to eye" on this, adding she pushed him to change his stance on funding the program. classics wasn't me....

Only Trump supporters think trump should get credit or praise for just doing what's right .. to start with .. he is so abnormal in his behavior his supporters give him credit for doing something that most americans do normally or on a daily basis... Like please, thank you , accepting responsibility, taking criticism.... not lying all the time ya know adult stuff

So, you think he did the right thing but just don’t want to give him credit. Sounds about right. This is exactly why you are a proud snowflake.
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Sounds about right. This is exactly why you are a proud snowflake.
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..So, you think he did the right thing but just don’t want to give him credit. (who made that suggestion other than you? it's clear why he changed course it had nothing to do with doing the right thing



My son opened a door for someone years ago and was upset they didn't say Thank you...

My response to him was .. you open the door because it's polite and the right thing to do.. you do not do it with the expectation of being thanked

I am sorry it bothers you That I hold the POTUS to the same standard as my 12 year old son when this happened .... :btu:

..So, you think he did the right thing but just don’t want to give him credit. (who made that suggestion other than you? it's clear why he changed course it had nothing to do with doing the right thing



My son opened a door for someone years ago and was upset they didn't say Thank you...

My response to him was .. you open the door because it's polite and the right thing to do.. you do not do it with the expectation of being thanked

I am sorry it bothers you That I hold the POTUS to the same standard as my 12 year old son when this happened .... :btu:

Sea Dangles' posts sound calm. Your's seem agitated.

..So, you think he did the right thing but just don’t want to give him credit. (who made that suggestion other than you? it's clear why he changed course it had nothing to do with doing the right thing



My son opened a door for someone years ago and was upset they didn't say Thank you...

My response to him was .. you open the door because it's polite and the right thing to do.. you do not do it with the expectation of being thanked

I am sorry it bothers you That I hold the POTUS to the same standard as my 12 year old son when this happened .... :btu:
So now you are actually saying he did the right thing? Nobody is accusing Trump of being polite. You seem confused,or just frustrated that you agree with me.
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So now you are actually saying he did the right thing? Nobody is accusing Trump of being polite. You seem confused,or just frustrated that you agree with me.
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You're giving him credit for fixing a problem that he caused. Hilarious
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You're giving him credit for fixing a problem that he caused. Hilarious
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You think it's funny to fix your own problems? I commend those who correct their mistakes.

Although, in this instance (don't know if it was his "mistake" to begin with), I fault him for "fixing" it. Cutting the program was actually the right thing to do. Entirely eliminating it would be the right thing to do.

You're giving him credit for fixing a problem that he caused. Hilarious
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When people do the right thing do you give them credit,Paul? Or does it depend on their name and party affiliation....if you were going to assign blame for cutting the program (which would be fair), why not praise him if he did something you find to be a good decision? Who deserves the credit Paul?
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I think in general most people don't praise someone for doing the right thing. Especially politicians as most people feel it is doing their job.
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So, you think he did the right thing but just don’t want to give him credit. Sounds about right.
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nailed it. that’s what TDS is all about. he can never, ever be right, not ever, not about anything. MSNBC talked about how fat and ugly he is, the other night. they can’t attack him on the economy or ISIS or russia, so they make fun of his appearance. Classy.
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I think in general most people don't praise someone for doing the right thing. Especially politicians as most people feel it is doing their job.
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Yet you have plenty of time to criticize a decision you consider to be the wrong thing. That is fine, but is known a one way street. I hope you see my point.👍🏿
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Your point makes no sense because he caused the problem. Let me repeat that he caused the problem. I'll have to pull up all those post where you praised Obama.
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nailed it. that’s what TDS is all about. he can never, ever be right, not ever, not about anything. MSNBC talked about how fat and ugly he is, the other night. they can’t attack him on the economy or ISIS or russia, so they make fun of his appearance. Classy.
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And how much bandwidth was wasted on this formum discussing Obama's mom's jeans
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Your point makes no sense because he caused the problem. Let me repeat that he caused the problem. I'll have to pull up all those post where you praised Obama.
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Find the post where he did anything worth praising and you will find my response. Hint: it rhymes with tuba. While you are searching you can also attempt to find a single instance I criticized his traitorous ways,besides the Iran nuke blunder.size=1]Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device[/size]

I think in general most people don't praise someone for doing the right thing. Especially politicians as most people feel it is doing their job.
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You must be a crappy boss. :hee:

I know I usually get a “Nice Job” from my boss once in awhile when I finish up a project.
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I think in general most people don't praise someone for doing the right thing.
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those people suck ....:kewl: