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Jim in CT
03-22-2019, 06:42 PM
First reports suggest that it's what Spence would call, a big fat nothingburger.

Unless reports are way off...

Sea Dangles
03-22-2019, 07:22 PM
Tell me it is not so.

Wait until the next fabricated distraction the left puts forth. Tick,tick,tick.....
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Jim in CT
03-22-2019, 07:27 PM
meanwhile, the Obama justice dept relied on a garbage dossier funded by Hilary, to spy on an american citizen and to allege he was a traitor. nothing to see there, move along.
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Ian
03-22-2019, 08:27 PM
It was such a good story though, and pretty believable... especially the urination part
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Jim in CT
03-23-2019, 05:33 AM
It was such a good story though, and pretty believable... especially the urination part
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it was a very good story for them
to cling to. So what if it bankrupted a ge w fellow citizens who didn’t do anything wrong? They were working for Hilary’s opponent, and therefore deserve to be called traitors on TV.

and it was a long night on msnbc and cnn last night. once again, the trump haters in the media have egg on their faces, and Trump is still there, another victory over them.

Chris Matthews really went off the deep end.

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Jim in CT
03-23-2019, 06:16 AM
and again thanks to Trump, “The Narrative” has checked itself into rehab.
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Ian
03-23-2019, 06:26 AM
and again thanks to Trump, “The Narrative” has checked itself into rehab.
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What did he have to do with it?
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wdmso
03-23-2019, 06:46 AM
Only conservatives can call an investigation that has how many convictions of Trumps people and call it a nothing burger

But bengiza was clearly Hillary's fault and the outrage over the lie it was because of a video by the Obama administration's. Which ended in no convictions or anything

If people like jim and dangle were honest enough to apply the logic to Muller's report as they did bengiza investigation . Or hilliarys email and lock her up rally cry... they may have some credibility on calling this a nothing burger .. but they do not

They have fell for the Trump narrative of only one question matters did trump collude (singular just him) .. ignoring who is the captain of the ship


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Duke41
03-23-2019, 06:53 AM
The convictions are a tough pill to swallow. Trump seems to be surrounded by a cadre if "grey area" people. However unless I am wrong and I am sure someone will let me know. Nothing has been proved that either Trump was involved with their own personal illegal activity or that the Russians got him elected. So there's that. I have my own idea which I think is pretty darn nifty. Lets have both parties focus on running the country and the world the best they can in an atmosphere of mutual discussion and debate focusing on bringing the best ideas forward to make this a better nation. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH Sorry if you just spit your coffee all over your screen.

Got Stripers
03-23-2019, 07:10 AM
Not even Barr has delivered the primary report conclusions, you guys must have some really good connections to have gotten such an early look. Even if Trump turns out to be the deaf and dumb recipient of others attempts to gain a political advantage by communicating with the Russians, there very well be damaging information in the report congress will move forward on. New York is still probably his biggest concern, I’m happy that in the near future we won’t have to hear the no collusion war cry.

Let’s keep in mind all the indictments prove the Russians interfered and attempted to collude with the Trump campaign and yet I don’t think this administration has really increased funding and efforts to address the hacking efforts that continue by Russia and others.
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wdmso
03-23-2019, 07:13 AM
Russian help him win the elections ( that was a Republican narrative) influenced the elections happened

Pompeo says God may have sent Trump to save Israel from Iran

With this type of Idolatry . We might as well be North Korea
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Sea Dangles
03-23-2019, 07:13 AM
Only conservatives can call an investigation that has how many convictions of Trumps people and call it a nothing burger

But bengiza was clearly Hillary's fault and the outrage over the lie it was because of a video by the Obama administration's. Which ended in no convictions or anything

If people like jim and dangle were honest enough to apply the logic to Muller's report as they did bengiza investigation . Or hilliarys email and lock her up rally cry... they may have some credibility on calling this a nothing burger .. but they do not

They have fell for the Trump narrative of only one question matters did trump collude (singular just him) .. ignoring who is the captain of the ship


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If you can find one post I made regarding either bengiza or hillarys emails then you might actually have a point. But you won’t find it because I did not throw a temper tantrum at every mis step. Now, you will throw another hissy fit alleging the investigation is incomplete somehow? That wolf you saw still looks like sheep....and when you point at me regarding honesty,there are four fingers pointing at the man in the mirror. Dishonest,corrupt,immoral...these are all words to describe the dog and pony show the dems have been putting on for years. This time it was even more of a nothing burger than the Kavanaugh charade. What a waste of resources.
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wdmso
03-23-2019, 07:19 AM
If you can find one post I made regarding either bengiza or hillarys emails then you might actually have a point. But you won’t find it because I did not throw a temper tantrum at every mis step. Now, you will throw another hissy fit alleging the investigation is incomplete somehow? That wolf you saw still looks like sheep....
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Wait until the next fabricated distraction the left puts forth. Tick,tick,tick.....

This says It all. what are the chances I'll find such a comment about Hillary or bengiza.
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wdmso
03-23-2019, 07:28 AM
[QUOTE=Sea Dangles;1164350]If iDishonest,corrupt,immoral...these are all words to describe the dog and pony show the dems have been putting on for years. This time it was even more of a nothing burger than the Kavanaugh charade. What a waste of resources.
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Finaly the most substantial post you've made to date .. showing how you really feel.
Nice hissy fit
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Sea Dangles
03-23-2019, 07:32 AM
I call it like I see it. Sorry if the truth hurts.
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Jim in CT
03-23-2019, 07:48 AM
Only conservatives can call an investigation that has how many convictions of Trumps people and call it a nothing burger

But bengiza was clearly Hillary's fault and the outrage over the lie it was because of a video by the Obama administration's. Which ended in no convictions or anything

If people like jim and dangle were honest enough to apply the logic to Muller's report as they did bengiza investigation . Or hilliarys email and lock her up rally cry... they may have some credibility on calling this a nothing burger .. but they do not

They have fell for the Trump narrative of only one question matters did trump collude (singular just him) .. ignoring who is the captain of the ship


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for two years, we’ve been told the lie that there were crimes. the indictments handed down, were for crimes
committed during, not before, the investigation. while those crimes
need to be punished, it’s wirth noting that there have been zero i dicemts related to collusion. everyone in the media, again, was wrong. and stupid. and partisan.
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Jim in CT
03-23-2019, 07:49 AM
Not even Barr has delivered the primary report conclusions, you guys must have some really good connections to have gotten such an early look. Even if Trump turns out to be the deaf and dumb recipient of others attempts to gain a political advantage by communicating with the Russians, there very well be damaging information in the report congress will move forward on. New York is still probably his biggest concern, I’m happy that in the near future we won’t have to hear the no collusion war cry.

Let’s keep in mind all the indictments prove the Russians interfered and attempted to collude with the Trump campaign and yet I don’t think this administration has really increased funding and efforts to address the hacking efforts that continue by Russia and others.
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i watched
msnbc last night, that’s the extent of my connections. it was almost as glorious as watching them on election night, and when Maddow broke the “scoop” on his tax returns.
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Jim in CT
03-23-2019, 07:51 AM
[QUOTE=Sea Dangles;1164350]If iDishonest,corrupt,immoral...these are all words to describe the dog and pony show the dems have been putting on for years. This time it was even more of a nothing burger than the Kavanaugh charade. What a waste of resources.
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Finaly the most substantial post you've made to date .. showing how you really feel.
Nice hissy fit
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qdmso, your side took it on the chin here. big time.
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JohnR
03-23-2019, 08:49 AM
It was such a good story though, and pretty believable... especially the urination part
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Some parts might have been true, but it was considered to be a mix
of truth, half truths, and falsifications. That is what disinformation is and it is wonderful at paralyzing things around it. What we are waiting to find is whether or not DJT asked the RUS for help to defeat HRC.


Only conservatives can call an investigation that has how many convictions of Trumps people and call it a nothing burger

But bengiza was clearly Hillary's fault and the outrage over the lie it was because of a video by the Obama administration's. Which ended in no convictions or anything

If people like jim and dangle were honest enough to apply the logic to Muller's report as they did bengiza investigation . Or hilliarys email and lock her up rally cry... they may have some credibility on calling this a nothing burger .. but they do not

They have fell for the Trump narrative of only one question matters did trump collude (singular just him) .. ignoring who is the captain of the ship


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What were the convictions for? None (yet) were for Trump's people colluding with RUS, they were for lying to FBI.

I'll use Vox so all y'all can think it is legit

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/2/20/17031772/mueller-indictments-grand-jury

for two years, we’ve been told the lie that there were crimes. the indictments handed down, were for crimes
committed during, not before, the investigation. while those crimes
need to be punished, it’s wirth noting that there have been zero i dicemts related to collusion. everyone in the media, again, was wrong. and stupid. and partisan.
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This is true

spence
03-23-2019, 01:23 PM
Threads like these really make me concerned about humanity.
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Jim in CT
03-23-2019, 01:28 PM
Threads like these really make me concerned about humanity.
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so unless people
you hate get convicted, you have concern for humanity?

the media haven’t been recklessly jumping the gun for the last two years? who still
listens to these morons? how do they have any credibility left?
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Got Stripers
03-23-2019, 03:00 PM
Talk about jumping the gun, without even a definitive conclusion reported from Barr, the right and Fox in particular says the fact there are no further indictments; this clears Trump and his campaign staff of any collusion. That is so typical, say it enough times and it must be true. There will be a lot of egg on their face if one of the conclusions is that Trump while not directing the collusion, did unwittingly (which I find hard to believe with the families admitted involvement) collude with the Russians to impact the election. Mueller may also be unwilling to indicte a sitting president and may feel the seeds he has sown with NY and DC, may bear better fruit. His scope was very narrow and the bigger trouble for Trump and his family are outside of that special investigation.
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wdmso
03-23-2019, 03:06 PM
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qdmso, your side took it on the chin here. big time.
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What are you talking about took it on the chin sn investigation was conducted .. if no direct like was made to Trump so be it ... who'd people are still chanting lock her up?? Who are making excuses like the charges were for lying to the FBI I guess that's acceptable for Trump supporter who think the FBI is in on it ..anyway
AGAIN the by anymeans nessary crowd . We don't care who he hangs with or what they've done what he has said who he insulted. As long as we get what we want

But OMG the
Jeremiah Wright controversy

But the right could care less about whom Trump associates are its comical
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The Dad Fisherman
03-23-2019, 03:15 PM
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Jim in CT
03-23-2019, 03:24 PM
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first the entire media said
he’d lose the election in a rout. then they spent the subsequent two years telling us his arrest and impeachment were around the corner.

Who still listens to these people, and why? How many times can they be this wrong and still have credibility?


NEW YORK!!! The southern district of NY will fix this for us!!!
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Jim in CT
03-23-2019, 03:26 PM
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What are you talking about took it on the chin sn investigation was conducted .. if no direct like was made to Trump so be it ... who'd people are still chanting lock her up?? Who are making excuses like the charges were for lying to the FBI I guess that's acceptable for Trump supporter who think the FBI is in on it ..anyway
AGAIN the by anymeans nessary crowd . We don't care who he hangs with or what they've done what he has said who he insulted. As long as we get what we want

But OMG the
Jeremiah Wright controversy

But the right could care less about whom Trump associates are its comical
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non stop promises
of impeachable offenses for two years. i thought he was a traitor?
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DZ
03-23-2019, 03:37 PM
I'll withhold judgement until the report comes out. But there has been some great memes floating around ;)

Raider Ronnie
03-23-2019, 05:30 PM
Threads like these really make me concerned about humanity.
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Maybe you need some time in your Safe Place you #^&#^&#^&#^&ing pussy
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JohnR
03-23-2019, 06:44 PM
Maybe you need some time in your Safe Place you #^&#^&#^&#^&ing pussy
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Now, now

Ian
03-23-2019, 07:57 PM
non stop promises
of impeachable offenses for two years. i thought he was a traitor?
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Just because he didn’t get indicted doesn’t mean he’s not a traitor
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detbuch
03-23-2019, 08:22 PM
Just because he didn’t get indicted doesn’t mean he’s not a traitor
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That's true. It's also true that no matter whatever proof might be shown that he is not a traitor, that wouldn't mean that you could not believe he is if you wanted to believe it.

Jim in CT
03-23-2019, 09:17 PM
Just because he didn’t get indicted doesn’t mean he’s not a traitor
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two years, three investigations, zero evidence.
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Ian
03-24-2019, 02:07 AM
two years, three investigations, zero evidence.
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Depends on your definition of evidence.

#1: you have no idea if there is/isn’t evidence, too many people have yet to complete ongoing investigations which are targeting a man who may not be able to be indicted. The house is only recently put into the hands of a group of people willing to dig into a mountain of evidence. The unfortunate part about this one is that the house happens to be run by people who are looking for it, not just those who will read through it and accept it if they don’t find anything. But there’s a lot that remains to play out.

#2: This is the same man who has cozied up to murderous dictators from some of our most direct enemies of state. North Korea tortured a US citizen to the brink of death and shipped him back home to die, and we’re talking about lifting sanctions because of a public image campaign promise. Russia hacked our election, and was proved to have done so early in the Mueller investigation, and Trump has repeatedly bucked our own domestic intelligence agencies (multiple) to side with the Russians that they didn’t do it. All the while revealing that he was conducting business dealings well into his candidacy for president to complete real estate deals with them.

Traitor? Maybe a little harsh.

Willing to sacrifice national interests in the name of his own? (A close, non criminal second) It’s sure as heck seems that way

If this had been Obama you guys would be lighting these boards on fire... I could probably make a movie about it
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scottw
03-24-2019, 04:13 AM
Just because he didn’t get indicted doesn’t mean he’s not a traitor
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:lossinit:

this is remarkable.....

Jim in CT
03-24-2019, 06:46 AM
Depends on your definition of evidence.

#1: you have no idea if there is/isn’t evidence, too many people have yet to complete ongoing investigations which are targeting a man who may not be able to be indicted. The house is only recently put into the hands of a group of people willing to dig into a mountain of evidence. The unfortunate part about this one is that the house happens to be run by people who are looking for it, not just those who will read through it and accept it if they don’t find anything. But there’s a lot that remains to play out.

#2: This is the same man who has cozied up to murderous dictators from some of our most direct enemies of state. North Korea tortured a US citizen to the brink of death and shipped him back home to die, and we’re talking about lifting sanctions because of a public image campaign promise. Russia hacked our election, and was proved to have done so early in the Mueller investigation, and Trump has repeatedly bucked our own domestic intelligence agencies (multiple) to side with the Russians that they didn’t do it. All the while revealing that he was conducting business dealings well into his candidacy for president to complete real estate deals with them.

Traitor? Maybe a little harsh.

Willing to sacrifice national interests in the name of his own? (A close, non criminal second) It’s sure as heck seems that way

If this had been Obama you guys would be lighting these boards on fire... I could probably make a movie about it
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sorry, when i say zero evidence, that’s only because after two years, theee investigations, and tens of millions of dollars spent, there is zero direct evidence ( zero meaning ‘none’, or ‘lack of any’) that Trump worked with russia to help win.

Maybe hilary lost because she never visited wisconsin?

i don’t like trump. Can’t stand him, actually. but the media spent two years lying. And obamas DOJ worked with the hilary campaign to make serious, fabricated charges against fellow
american citizens. That’s scary.

Trump 100, media 0. He wins again, they have egg on their faces and then
they all
stepped on a rake on their way out. it’s hilarious. and half beast Rachael Maddow in tears again. Glorious.
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Ian
03-24-2019, 07:18 AM
sorry, when i say zero evidence, that’s only because after two years, theee investigations, and tens of millions of dollars spent, there is zero direct evidence ( zero meaning ‘none’, or ‘lack of any’) that Trump worked with russia to help win.

Maybe hilary lost because she never visited wisconsin?

i don’t like trump. Can’t stand him, actually. but the media spent two years lying. And obamas DOJ worked with the hilary campaign to make serious, fabricated charges against fellow
american citizens. That’s scary.

Trump 100, media 0. He wins again, they have egg on their faces and then
they all
stepped on a rake on their way out. it’s hilarious. and half beast Rachael Maddow in tears again. Glorious.
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You have Mike Donaghy keeping score for you?
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Jim in CT
03-24-2019, 07:47 AM
You have Mike Donaghy keeping score for you?
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i don’t know who that is. i do know that despite the economy roaring and the islamic caliphate brought to its knees, 100% of trump coverage is negative except on one tb station ( which has some
hosts who give him 100% favorable coverage). i know the media promised arrests and impeachment for two years. and i know that their hatred of him is making them completely self destruct, as every presidential candidate is doing their best Pol Pot impression, he is causing all of them to go bonkers. the gop reaction to obama was the tea party, which worked. the democrat response to trump is vagina hats, ocasio-cortez, liz warren and corey booker?
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scottw
03-24-2019, 07:49 AM
if Pete wants a cut and paste project...he could cut and paste all of the Spence and Nebestrodamus predictions over recent history...I'd read that.....:kewl:

Sea Dangles
03-24-2019, 08:21 AM
The resident gurus have all seemingly vanished. Spence hasn’t been so quiet since the election. PeteF. Is busy searching the web for a new cut n paste. Wayne is preparing his next speech about how he doesn’t hate Trump. PaulS simply put his head in the sand again. Oh the humanity!
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Jim in CT
03-24-2019, 08:38 AM
if Pete wants a cut and paste project...he could cut and paste all of the Spence and Nebestrodamus predictions over recent history...I'd read that.....:kewl:

it’s hysterical.
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Ian
03-24-2019, 08:56 PM
i don’t know who that is. i do know that despite the economy roaring and the islamic caliphate brought to its knees, 100% of trump coverage is negative except on one tb station ( which has some
hosts who give him 100% favorable coverage). i know the media promised arrests and impeachment for two years. and i know that their hatred of him is making them completely self destruct, as every presidential candidate is doing their best Pol Pot impression, he is causing all of them to go bonkers. the gop reaction to obama was the tea party, which worked. the democrat response to trump is vagina hats, ocasio-cortez, liz warren and corey booker?
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This roaring economy couldn’t scare a gazelle... so roaring the fed just had to announce rate freezes for the rest of ‘19
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Jim in CT
03-24-2019, 09:37 PM
This roaring economy couldn’t scare a gazelle... so roaring the fed just had to announce rate freezes for the rest of ‘19
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you’re right it’s a weak economy.
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Ian
03-25-2019, 07:13 AM
you’re right it’s a weak economy.
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That was easier than I expected
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Jim in CT
03-25-2019, 08:18 AM
That was easier than I expected
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It's idiotic. Unemployment down, wages up, GDP growth up. None of that means anything to you, because you hate the guy in charge at the moment.

Paul Krugman is a Nobel prize-winning economist, who said that believing in 3% GDP growth, is like believing in the Tooth Fairy. Trump did it. He did, what they said couldn't be done. And not one of them conceded Trump was right and they were wrong.

Snack on that.

spence
03-25-2019, 09:42 AM
Paul Krugman is a Nobel prize-winning economist, who said that believing in 3% GDP growth, is like believing in the Tooth Fairy. Trump did it. He did, what they said couldn't be done. And not one of them conceded Trump was right and they were wrong.

Snack on that.
Trump said sustained 3% growth which we're nowhere near and forecasts are for a continued decline.

Sea Dangles
03-25-2019, 09:55 AM
Trump said sustained 3% growth which we're nowhere near and forecasts are for a continued decline.

Sounds familiar to previous predictions Jeff. Anyone can read. Anyone can make predictions. History tells us what actually happens. Trump is not the type to under promise and over deliver but so far the economy has exceeded expectations of your media.
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Jim in CT
03-25-2019, 10:02 AM
Trump said sustained 3% growth which we're nowhere near and forecasts are for a continued decline.

you have zip
to say about Krugman suggesting the US economy won’t survive Trump, and you pivot immediately to bashing Trump.

Yawn.
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Jim in CT
03-25-2019, 10:06 AM
Trump said sustained 3% growth which we're nowhere near and forecasts are for a continued decline.

were these forecasts generated by the same forecasters who forecasted that Hilary would win in a landslide? So you accidentally proved my point. When do YOU, Spence, conclude that these people are more driven by ideology than truth, how many times will you allow them to completely mislead you, before you stop listening to them?

You’re like Charlie Brown, confident that THIS TIME, Lucy won’t pull the football away from you at the last second.
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Ian
03-25-2019, 08:19 PM
It's idiotic. Unemployment down, wages up, GDP growth up. None of that means anything to you, because you hate the guy in charge at the moment.

Paul Krugman is a Nobel prize-winning economist, who said that believing in 3% GDP growth, is like believing in the Tooth Fairy. Trump did it. He did, what they said couldn't be done. And not one of them conceded Trump was right and they were wrong.

Snack on that.

I was wrong, you got me there... wasn’t as easy as I thought.

My comments about the economy aren’t aimed at any particular party or person in charge, they’re aimed at the current state of the economy.

It’s funny to me how all these economic indicators switch with the person in charge in the White House. When Obama was in charge, unemployment being down just meant a ton of people stopped looking for jobs. Now it means the president is an economic genius.

Spare me... please
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Jim in CT
03-26-2019, 08:01 AM
I was wrong, you got me there... wasn’t as easy as I thought.

My comments about the economy aren’t aimed at any particular party or person in charge, they’re aimed at the current state of the economy.

It’s funny to me how all these economic indicators switch with the person in charge in the White House. When Obama was in charge, unemployment being down just meant a ton of people stopped looking for jobs. Now it means the president is an economic genius.

Spare me... please
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i don’t know who you’re referring to. i give obama credit constantly, for helping the economy. i can give credit or criticism when its deserved, regardless of party.
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spence
03-26-2019, 09:50 AM
were these forecasts generated by the same forecasters who forecasted that Hilary would win in a landslide? So you accidentally proved my point. When do YOU, Spence, conclude that these people are more driven by ideology than truth, how many times will you allow them to completely mislead you, before you stop listening to them?

You’re like Charlie Brown, confident that THIS TIME, Lucy won’t pull the football away from you at the last second.
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I don't know of any economic models (except from the WH) that say we're going to maintain 3% growth.

spence
03-26-2019, 10:32 AM
Another item from the investigation people seem to be glossing over. Mueller handed out indictments to 14 Russians over the election interference.

As one reporter said this morning, Trump asked for help from Russia, Russia helped, Trump benefited in the election and Russia benefited from Trump helping to cover it up. This may not meet the legal standard for conspiracy which requires a clearly established agreement, but I'd like to see anyone who thinks this is how our democracy should function. It's a betrayal.

Sea Dangles
03-26-2019, 11:02 AM
Another item from the investigation people seem to be glossing over. Mueller handed out indictments to 14 Russians over the election interference.

As one reporter said this morning, Trump asked for help from Russia, Russia helped, Trump benefited in the election and Russia benefited from Trump helping to cover it up. This may not meet the legal standard for conspiracy which requires a clearly established agreement, but I'd like to see anyone who thinks this is how our democracy should function. It's a betrayal.

Jeff,when Hillary was given questions from Donna Brazile did it bother you at all? When she deleted 30,000 emails was that an example of how democracy should function? Why does filthy politics only upset you when there is an (R) next to the name? Just curious.
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Sea Dangles
03-26-2019, 11:10 AM
I don't know of any economic models (except from the WH) that say we're going to maintain 3% growth.

Are you still focused on believing models that have let you down already. That’s insanity.
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PaulS
03-26-2019, 11:30 AM
Jeff,when Hillary was given questions from Donna Brazile did it bother you at all? When she deleted 30,000 emails was that an example of how democracy should function? Why does filthy politics only upset you when there is an (R) next to the name? Just curious.
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Why not bring up that Trump was given questions by Roger Ailes?

Longtime Fox News president Roger Ailes fed Donald Trump debate questions, according to a lengthy new investigation from the New Yorker.
The piece, written by Jane Mayer and published on Monday in advance of their March issue, says that even Megyn Kelly’s famously tough question to Trump about his past remarks toward women were slipped to the billionaire in advance.
“A pair of Fox insiders and a source close to Trump believe that Ailes informed the Trump campaign about Kelly’s question,” Mayer said. “Two of those sources say that they know of the tipoff from a purported eyewitness. In addition, a former Trump campaign aide says that a Fox contact gave him advance notice of a different debate question, which asked the candidates whether they would support the Republican nominee, regardless of who won.”

detbuch
03-26-2019, 12:20 PM
Another item from the investigation people seem to be glossing over. Mueller handed out indictments to 14 Russians over the election interference.

As one reporter said this morning, Trump asked for help from Russia, Russia helped, Trump benefited in the election and Russia benefited from Trump helping to cover it up. This may not meet the legal standard for conspiracy which requires a clearly established agreement, but I'd like to see anyone who thinks this is how our democracy should function. It's a betrayal.

"As one reporter said"--there's your problem. Other reporters have said that Trump's asking Russia for help (in front of the entire nation and the context in which it was "asked") was pure sarcasm. That you would stoop to this sarcastic Trumpism as a "betrayal" makes you more insidious and dangerous than what you want Trump to be.

Jim in CT
03-26-2019, 12:30 PM
Spence, how about Hilary’s getting help from foreigners and foreign governments to put together the Steele dossier, which was used to get a FISA surveillance warrant on Carter Page? Hilary paid for that garbage dossier, and Obamas DOJ used it to spy on an American. If you have no problem with that, you have no reason to be worried about Trumps relationship with Russia.

Naked hypocrisy.

God we all need to start nominating differwnt kinds of people.

I like Ike.
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spence
03-26-2019, 12:37 PM
Jeff,when Hillary was given questions from Donna Brazile did it bother you at all? When she deleted 30,000 emails was that an example of how democracy should function? Why does filthy politics only upset you when there is an (R) next to the name? Just curious.
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I think Brazile gave the campaign maybe two questions, it's not ethical certainly but not worth freaking out over.

Hillary didn't delete any emails either. Her SysAdmin forgot to purge them before the investigation even started and mistakenly did it later when they should have been preserved. FBI investigation came up clean.

How you think his has parity with a US President actively covering up illegal election meddling by an adversary is beyond me.

spence
03-26-2019, 12:42 PM
"As one reporter said"--there's your problem. Other reporters have said that Trump's asking Russia for help (in front of the entire nation and the context in which it was "asked") was pure sarcasm. That you would stoop to this sarcastic Trumpism as a "betrayal" makes you more insidious and dangerous than what you want Trump to be.
He was briefed as a candidate that Russia was trying to influence the election yet he consistently and publicly claimed otherwise, likely because he knew it would benefit his chances or perhaps other areas of compromise. He was briefed as President that Russia the same and yet stood on stage with Putin and claimed otherwise for what reason we don't know. It's hard to fathom a legitimate reason.

I had thought the Mueller report was looking into Russian influence over Trump, probably one of the most concerning issues, yet Barr made zero mention in his summary.

Why?

spence
03-26-2019, 12:47 PM
Spence, how about Hilary’s getting help from foreigners and foreign governments to put together the Steele dossier, which was used to get a FISA surveillance warrant on Carter Page? Hilary paid for that garbage dossier, and Obamas DOJ used it to spy on an American. If you have no problem with that, you have no reason to be worried about Trumps relationship with Russia.
The campaign paid for opposition research to a US firm who hired an ex spy. Nothing wrong with that. The FISA thing has been gone over a thousand times. If you think Obama was able to get the DOJ and numerous Republican appointed judges to conspire against Trump you're crazy. Carter Page was being watched by the FBI for his Russia contacts long before the Dossier.

detbuch
03-26-2019, 12:59 PM
He was briefed as a candidate that Russia was trying to influence the election yet he consistently and publicly claimed otherwise, likely because he knew it would benefit his chances or perhaps other areas of compromise. He was briefed as President that Russia the same and yet stood on stage with Putin and claimed otherwise for what reason we don't know. It's hard to fathom a legitimate reason.

I had thought the Mueller report was looking into Russian influence over Trump, probably one of the most concerning issues, yet Barr made zero mention in his summary.

Why?

You have not given any evidence that there was Russian traitorous influence over Trump. Why should Barr mention something that was not proven to exist. Nor have you pointed out where Trump actually asked Russia for help. Referring to Trump's sarcastic comment on national TV is really weak.

spence
03-26-2019, 01:53 PM
You have not given any evidence that there was Russian traitorous influence over Trump. Why should Barr mention something that was not proven to exist. Nor have you pointed out where Trump actually asked Russia for help. Referring to Trump's sarcastic comment on national TV is really weak.
We know for a fact that Trump's personal business ties to Russian money are very deep. We also know they lied about very recent business dealings repeatedly. This was a major consideration heading into the investigation.

If there was found to be no influence you would assume this would be a major finding.

detbuch
03-26-2019, 02:20 PM
We know for a fact that Trump's personal business ties to Russian money are very deep. We also know they lied about very recent business dealings repeatedly. This was a major consideration heading into the investigation.

If there was found to be no influence you would assume this would be a major finding.

You still have not pointed out any traitorous influence that the Russian government had over Trump.

scottw
03-26-2019, 03:29 PM
You still have not pointed out any traitorous influence that the Russian government had over Trump.

it "appears" that there was......:heybaby:

Sea Dangles
03-26-2019, 04:36 PM
I think Brazile gave the campaign maybe two questions, it's not ethical certainly but not worth freaking out over.

Hillary didn't delete any emails either. Her SysAdmin forgot to purge them before the investigation even started and mistakenly did it later when they should have been preserved. FBI investigation came up clean.

How you think his has parity with a US President actively covering up illegal election meddling by an adversary is beyond me.

When did that happen Jeff? They should launch an investigation.
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scottw
03-26-2019, 05:00 PM
spence is freakin'.....

Pete F.
03-27-2019, 08:04 AM
You still have not pointed out any traitorous influence that the Russian government had over Trump.

Try these on for size

1, Why so many people lied to investigators about their communications with Russian officials (including former Attorney General Jeff Sessions and former National Security Adviser Michael Flynn, to name two prominent examples).

2. Why Trump publicly lied about his negotiations with Russia to build a Trump Tower in Moscow during the campaign.

3. Why Trump is so solicitous of Putin in contrast to his antagonistic approach to American allies such as Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, Angela Merkel and Macron.

4. Why Trump tried to lift sanctions on Russia in the wake of the public announcement that America’s electoral process had been attacked by the Russians.

5.Why Trump’s campaign chair, Paul Manafort, shared internal polling data with a suspected Russian asset.

6.Why Trump confiscated his interpreter’s notes from a private meeting with Putin.

Sea Dangles
03-27-2019, 08:20 AM
Try these on for size

1, Why so many people lied to investigators about their communications with Russian officials (including former Attorney General Jeff Sessions and former National Security Adviser Michael Flynn, to name two prominent examples).

2. Why Trump publicly lied about his negotiations with Russia to build a Trump Tower in Moscow during the campaign.

3. Why Trump is so solicitous of Putin in contrast to his antagonistic approach to American allies such as Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, Angela Merkel and Macron.

4. Why Trump tried to lift sanctions on Russia in the wake of the public announcement that America’s electoral process had been attacked by the Russians.

5.Why Trump’s campaign chair, Paul Manafort, shared internal polling data with a suspected Russian asset.

6.Why Trump confiscated his interpreter’s notes from a private meeting with Putin.
You might want to share these revelations with the FBI PeteF. If they knew about such activity they would launch an investigation. You have exposed quite the story here.
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detbuch
03-27-2019, 10:13 AM
You might want to share these revelations with the FBI PeteF. If they knew about such activity they would launch an investigation. You have exposed quite the story here.
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Exactly. These things were investigated and Mueller came to the conclusion that there was no conspiracy to influence the election. The six points Pete enumerated were neither illegal nor verified to be conspiratorial. Everything the anti-Trumpers kept coming up with as proof was some form of innuendo or circumstantial "evidence" that could mean many things but were not verified to be conspiratorial.