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Jim in CT 03-24-2019, 08:09 PM in 2016, the media all said that Hilary could not
lose, that the only question was the magnitude of the landslide.
Then after they were proven wrong, for two years they said trump
and his kids were russian agents. Nope, no truth to that either, and once again they look like fools.
Here’s my question...how
many times can they be this insanely wrong, before people realize that they’re simply unreliable? Does no one care how wrong they are? Is all that matters, that they say what you want to hear?
wdmso 03-25-2019, 04:00 AM in 2016, the media all said that Hilary could not
lose, that the only question was the magnitude of the landslide.
Then after they were proven wrong, for two years they said trump
and his kids were russian agents. Nope, no truth to that either, and once again they look like fools.
Here’s my question...how
many times can they be this insanely wrong, before people realize that they’re simply unreliable? Does no one care how wrong they are? Is all that matters, that they say what you want to hear?
Spoken like a True Trump convert
Does no one care how wrong Trump and his policys are ? Is all that matters, that they say what you want to hear?
I express this same concern about Trump ^^^^^ and Trump lovers dont care
But again plz ignore everything else
"The special counsel did not find that any US person or Trump campaign official conspired or knowingly co-ordinated with Russia,"
you call this vindication I call it investigation complete
but for Hillary same basic premise
To warrant a criminal charge, Mr. Comey said, there had to be evidence that Mrs. Clinton intentionally transmitted or willfully mishandled classified information. The F.B.I. found neither, and as a result, he said, “our judgment is that no reasonable prosecutor would bring such a case.”
But Trump and supporters are still yelling lock her Up
then once in office Sessions admits there is not enough evidence for the FBI to investigate Hillary Clinton
And Trump fires him
More recently at a build the wall rally with Steve Bannon a women clearly a trump support says this
Never in my life did I think I would like to see a dictator,” the woman told the crowd. “But if there’s going to be one, I want it to be Trump.”
and then the crowd breaks into applause but to you this is Fake news and Isolated thinking of a small few (aka Trumps Base ) its boiling under the surface
https://wearemitu.com/politics/woman-calls-trump-dictatorship/
Sea Dangles 03-25-2019, 06:16 AM That pesky base and their blind support!
But it appears some are still Butthurt over hillery.
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Jim in CT 03-25-2019, 06:40 AM Spoken like a True Trump convert
Does no one care how wrong Trump and his policys are ? Is all that matters, that they say what you want to hear?
I express this same concern about Trump ^^^^^ and Trump lovers dont care
But again plz ignore everything else
"The special counsel did not find that any US person or Trump campaign official conspired or knowingly co-ordinated with Russia,"
you call this vindication I call it investigation complete
but for Hillary same basic premise
To warrant a criminal charge, Mr. Comey said, there had to be evidence that Mrs. Clinton intentionally transmitted or willfully mishandled classified information. The F.B.I. found neither, and as a result, he said, “our judgment is that no reasonable prosecutor would bring such a case.”
But Trump and supporters are still yelling lock her Up
then once in office Sessions admits there is not enough evidence for the FBI to investigate Hillary Clinton
And Trump fires him
More recently at a build the wall rally with Steve Bannon a women clearly a trump support says this
Never in my life did I think I would like to see a dictator,” the woman told the crowd. “But if there’s going to be one, I want it to be Trump.”
and then the crowd breaks into applause but to you this is Fake news and Isolated thinking of a small few (aka Trumps Base ) its boiling under the surface
https://wearemitu.com/politics/woman-calls-trump-dictatorship/
not sure you dedicated a syllable to
answering the question on the media, and pivoted immediately to trump. good thing you don’t hate him.
you can’t say good
enough things about this economy, and though you’d never see it where you get your news, the last ISIS stringhold in syria was liberated.
obama did well with the economy and terror, and trump is expanding on it. i can only imagine how
much you hate that, even though your public union absolutely requires a healthy private sector.
you’re
not being terribly honest or rational. Trump does that to people
like you, and it’s absolutely hysterical to watch.
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not sure you dedicated a syllable to
answering the question on the media, and pivoted immediately to trump.
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I also noticed the same thing.
TDS is real.
The Dad Fisherman 03-25-2019, 07:15 AM ..
JohnR 03-25-2019, 07:17 AM To warrant a criminal charge, Mr. Comey said, there had to be evidence that Mrs. Clinton intentionally transmitted or willfully mishandled classified information. The F.B.I. found neither, and as a result, he said, “our judgment is that no reasonable prosecutor would bring such a case.”
Wayne, go grab the OPLAN for invading Worcseterstan, put it on a couple flash drives, share amongst some friends, store it in your gym locker, lose one of the flashes, and then have a conversation with the division's legal arm and see if you don't do time.
Anyone else would have been making little rocks out of big rocks in Kansas and you know it.
Jim in CT 03-25-2019, 08:10 AM Spoken like a True Trump convert
Does no one care how wrong Trump and his policys are ? Is all that matters, that they say what you want to hear?
I express this same concern about Trump ^^^^^ and Trump lovers dont care
But again plz ignore everything else
"The special counsel did not find that any US person or Trump campaign official conspired or knowingly co-ordinated with Russia,"
you call this vindication I call it investigation complete
but for Hillary same basic premise
To warrant a criminal charge, Mr. Comey said, there had to be evidence that Mrs. Clinton intentionally transmitted or willfully mishandled classified information. The F.B.I. found neither, and as a result, he said, “our judgment is that no reasonable prosecutor would bring such a case.”
But Trump and supporters are still yelling lock her Up
then once in office Sessions admits there is not enough evidence for the FBI to investigate Hillary Clinton
And Trump fires him
More recently at a build the wall rally with Steve Bannon a women clearly a trump support says this
Never in my life did I think I would like to see a dictator,” the woman told the crowd. “But if there’s going to be one, I want it to be Trump.”
and then the crowd breaks into applause but to you this is Fake news and Isolated thinking of a small few (aka Trumps Base ) its boiling under the surface
https://wearemitu.com/politics/woman-calls-trump-dictatorship/
"The special counsel did not find that any US person or Trump campaign official conspired or knowingly co-ordinated with Russia,"
you call this vindication
Yes, when the point of the investigation was to indict him for collusion, and Mueller says there was no evidence of collusion after a 2 year investigation, yes I call that vindication. All sane people call that vindication, which is precisely why the folks at MSNBC were crushed.
Oh, Trump is a dictator now? Please tell me, what he's doing that's dictatorial, what ha she done that is outside the authority of what the constitution allows? Has he disbanded the Supreme Court?
WDMSO, think about this for a nanosecond...would a dictator let Jim Acosta do what he does? No. A dictator would have Jim Acosta executed.
You are completely un-hinged, you are talking gibberish.
Jim in CT 03-25-2019, 08:12 AM Wayne, go grab the OPLAN for invading Worcseterstan, put it on a couple flash drives, share amongst some friends, store it in your gym locker, lose one of the flashes, and then have a conversation with the division's legal arm and see if you don't do time.
Anyone else would have been making little rocks out of big rocks in Kansas and you know it.
Correct. What he failed to mention, is that there's clear evidence that senior people at the DOJ and FBI, wanted Hilary to win. So much so, that they used the garbage dossier that she paid for, as evidence to get a FISA warrant to spy on Carter Page, an American citizen who the left said was a traitor, and who has been charged with nothing.
Jim in CT 03-25-2019, 08:14 AM 66108
Jim in CT 03-25-2019, 08:41 AM ..
The left isn't going to let a trivial thing like a total lack of facts or evidence, interfere with their witch hunt.
Trump beat them, and humiliated them in the process. We now know that there's zero evidence that Trump and Russia "stole" the election, and rather, it's more likely Hilary lost because she never set foot in Wisconsin.
The craziness we see, is something. I mean it's really, really something.
Has anyone on the left said "well, we investigated for two years and found nothing, so it's time to put this behind us and move on?" Has a single democrat said that?
And to my original question, why would ANYONE in their right mind, watch CNN or MSNBC? Why do they have any remaining credibility?
I'm right leaning. But I cannot watch Sean Hannity, he's a joke, he's not reliable. The entire mainstream media, is a mirror image of him.
JohnR 03-25-2019, 09:40 AM I'm right leaning. But I cannot watch Sean Hannity, he's a joke, he's not reliable. The entire mainstream media, is a mirror image of him.
He's horrible.
Jim in CT 03-25-2019, 09:46 AM He's horrible.
Agreed. But how is he any different, than everyone at CNN or MSNBC, or the NYT or the Washington Post? His bias is the opposite obviously, but he's not more biased then they are.
Paul Krugman said the US economy would never survive Trump, and he also said that 3% GDP growth is as realistic as the Tooth Fairy. And yet he still gets paid to speak, and Spence absorbs every syllable without question.
These people are given more freedom to make mistakes, than weathermen.
spence 03-25-2019, 09:53 AM Has anyone on the left said "well, we investigated for two years and found nothing, so it's time to put this behind us and move on?" Has a single democrat said that?
Jim, the investigation resulted in 34 indictments including 5 people very close to Trump who have either plead guilty or been convicted and Stone who still goes to trial.
The investigation has spun off other investigations into campaign finance violations, campaign contribution fraud, Trump foundation fraud and on and on.
We now know that Trump and the campaign had numerous ties to Russia around business and political conflicts of interest and they all lied about them repeatedly to cover it up. It appears the report also lays out a case for obstruction of justice.
How is this finding nothing?
scottw 03-25-2019, 10:13 AM How is this finding nothing?
"nothingburger"
Jim in CT 03-25-2019, 10:14 AM Jim, the investigation resulted in 34 indictments including 5 people very close to Trump who have either plead guilty or been convicted and Stone who still goes to trial.
The investigation has spun off other investigations into campaign finance violations, campaign contribution fraud, Trump foundation fraud and on and on.
We now know that Trump and the campaign had numerous ties to Russia around business and political conflicts of interest and they all lied about them repeatedly to cover it up. It appears the report also lays out a case for obstruction of justice.
How is this finding nothing?
it’s finding nothing, because it found no evidence that trump or his team, collided with russia to influence the election. which if you
listened to any of your fellow shrieking marxists, was the whole point. It was a flop.
We know the trump campaign had meetings with russians? donwe knownif that happens every presidential election cycle? is that sinister, or normal? who did your man crush meet with in the run up to his elections?
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Jim in CT 03-25-2019, 10:15 AM Jim, the investigation resulted in 34 indictments including 5 people very close to Trump who have either plead guilty or been convicted and Stone who still goes to trial.
The investigation has spun off other investigations into campaign finance violations, campaign contribution fraud, Trump foundation fraud and on and on.
We now know that Trump and the campaign had numerous ties to Russia around business and political conflicts of interest and they all lied about them repeatedly to cover it up. It appears the report also lays out a case for obstruction of justice.
How is this finding nothing?
and the people
close to trump, we’re indicted for things they did after the investigation started ( lying, not cooperating), not for things they did before the investigation started. thats my understanding, is that wrong? that’s what dershowitz is saying.
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spence 03-25-2019, 10:33 AM it’s finding nothing, because it found no evidence that trump or his team, collided with russia to influence the election. which if you
listened to any of your fellow shrieking marxists, was the whole point. It was a flop.
It was a counter intelligence investigation to look for any crimes around Russian interference. They found plenty of crimes, just didn't have strong enough evidence to pass a very high bar on the specific conspiracy charge.
We know the trump campaign had meetings with russians? donwe knownif that happens every presidential election cycle? is that sinister, or normal? who did your man crush meet with in the run up to his elections?
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Campaigning while you're secretly trying to sign a huge real estate deal with a foreign nation who's approval you require, repeatedly lying about it to the American people, and heaping praise on said nation putting you in a compromised position is highly unusual. So is sharing campaign data with the same nation and people you owe millions of dollars to. So is discussing US policy and lying about it...and on and on...
There's plenty of treachery and betrayal to go around.
spence 03-25-2019, 10:34 AM and the people
close to trump, we’re indicted for things they did after the investigation started ( lying, not cooperating), not for things they did before the investigation started. thats my understanding, is that wrong? that’s what dershowitz is saying.
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This is really irrelevant. They bring the indictment against the charges they have the most confidence in.
When was the last time you lied about something you didn't do?
scottw 03-25-2019, 11:33 AM ooooh...and when was the last time you didn't lie about something you did do?
it's fun seeing spence so desperate :bl:
scottw 03-25-2019, 11:34 AM It was a counter intelligence investigation to look for any crimes around Russian interference.
we know that's complete BS..
trump campaign slogan next year should be
"COLLUDING TO WIN IN 2020" :rotflmao:
scottw 03-25-2019, 11:36 AM There's plenty of treachery and betrayal to go around.
yes we need to investigate obama and hillary and everyone that they ever contacted
Jim in CT 03-25-2019, 12:19 PM It was a counter intelligence investigation to look for any crimes around Russian interference. They found plenty of crimes, just didn't have strong enough evidence to pass a very high bar on the specific conspiracy charge.
Campaigning while you're secretly trying to sign a huge real estate deal with a foreign nation who's approval you require, repeatedly lying about it to the American people, and heaping praise on said nation putting you in a compromised position is highly unusual. So is sharing campaign data with the same nation and people you owe millions of dollars to. So is discussing US policy and lying about it...and on and on...
There's plenty of treachery and betrayal to go around.
"It was a counter intelligence investigation to look for any crimes around Russian interference. "
I see! So it wasn't about Trump? No?
"Campaigning while you're secretly trying to sign a huge real estate deal with a foreign nation who's approval you require, repeatedly lying about it to the American people, and heaping praise on said nation putting you in a compromised position is highly unusual"
It is unusual. It's not indicative of a high ethical standard. But unfortunately, it ain't an impeachable offense. "Because I hate his guts", is not grounds for impeachment.
You really are avoiding commenting on the media's accuracy regarding all things Trump, aren't you?
Sea Dangles 03-25-2019, 01:12 PM This is really irrelevant. They bring the indictment against the charges they have the most confidence in.
When was the last time you lied about something you didn't do?
Don’t forget to add that you still think Kavanaugh raped the dingbat. Yes,you sound that desperate.
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Jim in CT 03-25-2019, 01:27 PM Don’t forget to add that you still think Kavanaugh raped the dingbat. Yes,you sound that desperate.
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correct. but it’s ok that Sanders and Gillibrand didn’t act as if they believed claims of sexual harassment in their staffs.
When the accused is a republican, THEN we have to believe all women. The VA lieutenant governor is a democrat, so we can take his word for it when he says he didn’t do it, HE is innocent until proven guilty.
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spence 03-25-2019, 02:26 PM I see! So it wasn't about Trump? No?
There certainly was concern the campaign was coordinating with foreign actors.
It is unusual. It's not indicative of a high ethical standard. But unfortunately, it ain't an impeachable offense. "Because I hate his guts", is not grounds for impeachment.
You should read this...
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/12/03/donald-trumps-moscow-deal-framers-222752
You really are avoiding commenting on the media's accuracy regarding all things Trump, aren't you?
The media gets whipped up from time to time but I think their accuracy on Trump has been pretty good and really help highlight Trump's chronic dishonesty and corrupt nature.
The Dad Fisherman 03-25-2019, 02:54 PM ..
I’m not sure how by any rational evaluation you can consider Obama a narcissist.
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funniest thing ever written here....
Hold My Beer
The media gets whipped up from time to time but I think their accuracy on Trump has been pretty good and really help highlight Trump's chronic dishonesty and corrupt nature.
The Dad Fisherman 03-25-2019, 03:15 PM and this doesn't include CNN, MSNBC, independent news channels.
https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/rich-noyes/2019/03/24/fizzle-nets-gave-whopping-2284-minutes-russia-probe
wdmso 03-25-2019, 03:35 PM Donald Trump: Time to Investigate the Left for ‘Treasonous Things’
One Potential Russian Collusion Scandal Has Not Yet Been Investigated: Hillary and Uranium One
Lindsey Graham: Senate Will Investigate FISA Abuse, Surveillance of Trump
Campaign
Here we go....
but again the right fail to see why Trump and his people were investigated to start with.. (not because they won )
Meeting with the russians lying about meetings with the russians lying about dealing with the russians Trump himself suggesting the russian didn't try to interfere in the elections Trump's refusal to cooperate with the muller investigation (if he did it would have done in a year )
again how many convictions and counting
Heres a witch hunt for ya all from Trumps lips
"He doesn't have a birth certificate, or if he does, there's something on that certificate that is very bad for him. Now, somebody told me -- and I have no idea if this is bad for him or not, but perhaps it would be -- that where it says 'religion,' it might have 'Muslim.' And if you're a Muslim, you don't change your religion, by the way."
"I have people that have been studying [Obama's birth certificate] and they cannot believe what they're finding ... I would like to have him show his birth certificate, and can I be honest with you, I hope he can. Because if he can't, if he can't, if he wasn't born in this country, which is a real possibility ... then he has pulled one of the great cons in the history of politics."
Donald J. Trump
✔
@realDonaldTrump
An 'extremely credible source' has called my office and told me that @BarackObama's birth certificate is a fraud.
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4:23 PM - Aug 6, 2012
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I guess he knows all about witch hunts
Sea Dangles 03-25-2019, 03:50 PM Love it
The old two wrongs make a right!👍🏿
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spence 03-25-2019, 03:58 PM and this doesn't include CNN, MSNBC, independent news channels.
Newsbusters puts out some good dope, very smooth.
I'd note that a lot of Trump's media coverage is driven by his need to be on TV 24/7.
JohnR 03-25-2019, 04:22 PM This is really irrelevant. They bring the indictment against the charges they have the most confidence in.
When was the last time you lied about something you didn't do?
Actually - it wasn't relevant, the charges, to collusion or obstruction. It was lying to the FBI. Which is OK when it is Hillary's email server.
And Manafort was actually for stupid sheit AND lying.
detbuch 03-25-2019, 04:46 PM Donald Trump: Time to Investigate the Left for ‘Treasonous Things’
One Potential Russian Collusion Scandal Has Not Yet Been Investigated: Hillary and Uranium One
Lindsey Graham: Senate Will Investigate FISA Abuse, Surveillance of Trump
Campaign
Here we go....
but again the right fail to see why Trump and his people were investigated to start with.. (not because they won )
Meeting with the russians lying about meetings with the russians lying about dealing with the russians Trump himself suggesting the russian didn't try to interfere in the elections Trump's refusal to cooperate with the muller investigation (if he did it would have done in a year )
again how many convictions and counting
Heres a witch hunt for ya all from Trumps lips
"He doesn't have a birth certificate, or if he does, there's something on that certificate that is very bad for him. Now, somebody told me -- and I have no idea if this is bad for him or not, but perhaps it would be -- that where it says 'religion,' it might have 'Muslim.' And if you're a Muslim, you don't change your religion, by the way."
"I have people that have been studying [Obama's birth certificate] and they cannot believe what they're finding ... I would like to have him show his birth certificate, and can I be honest with you, I hope he can. Because if he can't, if he can't, if he wasn't born in this country, which is a real possibility ... then he has pulled one of the great cons in the history of politics."
Donald J. Trump
✔
@realDonaldTrump
An 'extremely credible source' has called my office and told me that @BarackObama's birth certificate is a fraud.
20.7K
4:23 PM - Aug 6, 2012
Twitter Ads info and privacy
I guess he knows all about witch hunts
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=56&v=B57H8AxkszY
spence 03-25-2019, 05:21 PM It was lying to the FBI. Which is OK when it is Hillary's email server.
What did she lie about to the FBI?
JohnR 03-25-2019, 06:47 PM What did she lie about to the FBI?
30,000 Yoga emails.
Jim in CT 03-26-2019, 08:22 AM What did she lie about to the FBI?
FFS, she said she turned over everything (except the tens of thousands of emails she didn't), she said there were no emails on her server that were classified, except the ones that were.
What are you afraid would happen to you, if you were honest about these things, just for a minute? Of all the thoughtless parrots I've ever come across, you're one of the smartest. You're way, way too smart for this nonsense.
You work in Finance, right? Do you tell the companies you support, that they should pay a living wage with free healthcare to all employees, and that they should now adopt Green New Deal standards of clean energy? Or do you not do so, because you know its idiotic and would get you canned?
spence 03-26-2019, 09:48 AM 30,000 Yoga emails.
I've never heard she lied to the FBI about that. Even the FBI director said there was no reason to conclude she lied to the FBI about anything.
spence 03-26-2019, 09:52 AM You work in Finance, right? Do you tell the companies you support, that they should pay a living wage with free healthcare to all employees, and that they should now adopt Green New Deal standards of clean energy? Or do you not do so, because you know its idiotic and would get you canned?
No, I don't work in finance.
Jim in CT 03-26-2019, 09:56 AM I've never heard she lied to the FBI about that. Even the FBI director said there was no reason to conclude she lied to the FBI about anything.
You mean the director of the FBI, who with the DOJ, appears to have had areal rooting interest in the 2016 election?
spence 03-26-2019, 10:08 AM You mean the director of the FBI, who with the DOJ, appears to have had areal rooting interest in the 2016 election?
The only thing I've seen where the DOJ might have influenced the election was Comey breaking protocol and making a statement on the status of the investigation. This idea of a grand conspiracy to undercut Trump is nonsense.
wdmso 03-26-2019, 11:03 AM Heard this on the radio
Since when is the media expected to have the exact same outcome as a 2 year investigation with almost zero leaks
The 2 are not again remotely the same but once a gain some want us to think the same standard exists in both
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detbuch 03-26-2019, 12:10 PM Heard this on the radio
Since when is the media expected to have the exact same outcome as a 2 year investigation with almost zero leaks
The 2 are not again remotely the same but once a gain some want us to think the same standard exists in both
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You're right, it may not be ethical but the media is allowed to slant. Investigations either prove or disprove or remain uncertain. They are not supposed to imply.
Firmly basing your opinion and belief on media reportage on that which has not been proven is risky and foolish.
Jim in CT 03-26-2019, 12:32 PM The only thing I've seen where the DOJ might have influenced the election was Comey breaking protocol and making a statement on the status of the investigation. This idea of a grand conspiracy to undercut Trump is nonsense.
none of the texts from lisa page or mccabe or strzok, give you the hint of impropriety. Your concern is applied very very selectively, which of course means it’s fake.
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Jim in CT 03-26-2019, 12:33 PM Heard this on the radio
Since when is the media expected to have the exact same outcome as a 2 year investigation with almost zero leaks
The 2 are not again remotely the same but once a gain some want us to think the same standard exists in both
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the media is supposed to be fair and honest, not totally in the tank for one side.
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wdmso 03-26-2019, 12:46 PM the media is supposed to be fair and honest, not totally in the tank for one side.
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thats your tinfoil conservative Hat speaking because you're a one source news person If you watched any kind of news it was always questionable whether or not he was gonna be convicted of collusion. or if there was collusion there was no reporting of certainty.. But of course you don't have a problem with bar selling the the notion that there was no obstruction even though he penned a letter so many months prior to getting the AG job indicating just that... and what did he base that decision on? where is the evidence? that he used .there was no obstruction of Justice ..based on . What legal standard was applied to that decision ? not enough evidence ,? that needs to be explained to the American public . And of muller said there was not enough to indite or absolve trump of the question of obstruction of Justice how did Barr Come to such a decision in such a rapid timeframe. And not to worrie it wont take trump long to create another st imposed crisis =1]Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device[/size]
spence 03-26-2019, 12:50 PM none of the texts from lisa page or mccabe or strzok, give you the hint of impropriety. Your concern is applied very very selectively, which of course means it’s fake.
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I think professionals can compartmentalize their personal and work. It was investigated and found there was no influence. Have some respect for law enforcement.
Jim in CT 03-26-2019, 12:51 PM that your tinfoil conservative Hat speaking because you're a one source news person If you watched any kind of news it was always questionable whether or not he was gonna be convicted of collusion or if there was collusion there was no reporting of certainty.. But of course you don't have a problem with bar selling the the notion that there was no obstruction even though he penned a letter so many months prior to getting the AG job indicating say just that... And all without he based that on where is the evidence that he based that there was no obstruction of Justice based on what
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you think i’m the only one who no longer trusts the media? look at the approval ratings if the media. sorry, it’s not just me.
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Jim in CT 03-26-2019, 12:52 PM I think professionals can compartmentalize their personal and work. It was investigated and found there was no influence. Have some respect for law enforcement.
ok, trump collusion was investigated
much more thoroughly, and determined there was no evidence. so why do you dismiss one, and desperately cling to the other?
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Jim in CT 03-26-2019, 12:57 PM that your tinfoil conservative Hat speaking because you're a one source news person If you watched any kind of news it was always questionable whether or not he was gonna be convicted of collusion or if there was collusion there was no reporting of certainty.. But of course you don't have a problem with bar selling the the notion that there was no obstruction even though he penned a letter so many months prior to getting the AG job indicating say just that... and what did he base that decision on? where is the evidence that he used that there was no obstruction of Justice ..based . What legal standard wad applied to that decision not enough evidence Did meet the threshold that needs to be explained to the American public . And of moller said there was not enough evidence to convict or absolve trump of the question I'm obstruction of Justice how did Barr Come to such a decision in such a rapid timeframe=1]Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device[/size]
if you think that the notion of a biased media is a republican hoax, have someone read this to you. this is a Gallup poll.
https://news.gallup.com/poll/195542/americans-trust-mass-media-sinks-new-low.aspx
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The Dad Fisherman 03-26-2019, 01:06 PM you think i’m the only one who no longer trusts the media? look at the approval ratings if the media. sorry, it’s not just me.
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https://www.acsh.org/news/2018/09/11/why-americans-distrust-media-13399
According to a new bombshell report released by Gallup and the Knight Foundation, 94% of Republicans have lost some trust in the media. They aren't alone; 75% of independents and even 42% of Democrats say the same thing. Overall, nearly 7 in 10 adults report a loss of faith in the news. What is going on?
https://content.gallup.com/origin/gallupinc/GallupSpaces/Production/Cms/TGBCMS/7j9q8bqazkcqjcfisbuawa.png
Jim in CT 03-26-2019, 01:21 PM https://www.acsh.org/news/2018/09/11/why-americans-distrust-media-13399
According to a new bombshell report released by Gallup and the Knight Foundation, 94% of Republicans have lost some trust in the media. They aren't alone; 75% of independents and even 42% of Democrats say the same thing. Overall, nearly 7 in 10 adults report a loss of faith in the news. What is going on?
https://content.gallup.com/origin/gallupinc/GallupSpaces/Production/Cms/TGBCMS/7j9q8bqazkcqjcfisbuawa.png
wdmso says that what’s going on, is that Trumicans are crazy, and that explains all the data in your post.
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In today's world of instant social media news, media outlets are in such a hurry to be the first to scoop a story that they can't/don't/won't vet information.
For this they could/should be held liable for incorrect "news".
Most of CNN/MSNBC has lost all journalistic integrity IMO.
The Dad Fisherman 03-26-2019, 01:34 PM wdmso says that what’s going on, is that Trumicans are crazy, and that explains all the data in your post.
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May be time to buy stock in Reynolds Consumer Products, because thats an awful lot of Tinfoil being purchased out there.
spence 03-26-2019, 01:37 PM ok, trump collusion was investigated
much more thoroughly, and determined there was no evidence. so why do you dismiss one, and desperately cling to the other?
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Collusion isn't a legal standard. We know there was collusion, hell there were face to face meetings they tried to cover up!
The letter only says they didn't find evidence that met the threshold for a charge of criminal conspiracy. That doesn't mean there was no evidence, it means there may not have been enough. There also could be a ton of evidence that's very damning to Trump but not indictable under DOJ guidelines.
Barr's report really just made this entire mess worse, especially the conflict over obstruction. Many say he's a straight shooter, but this letter really looks like it was intended to give Trump cover while they fight to keep the report hidden.
They need to release everything legally permissible soon and let Congress sort things out.
Pete F. 03-26-2019, 01:40 PM Might have something to do with these things
http://www.trumptwitterarchive.com/archive/fake%20news%20%7C%7C%20fakenews%20%7C%7C%20fake%20 media/ttff/1-19-2017_
https://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/statements/byruling/false/
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/maryanngeorgantopoulos/president-trump-lie-list
PaulS 03-26-2019, 02:25 PM Most of CNN/MSNBC has lost all journalistic integrity IMO.
https://www.politifact.com/punditfact/article/2014/sep/16/fact-checking-fox-msnbc-and-cnn-punditfacts-networ/
https://www.forbes.com/sites/quora/2016/07/21/a-rigorous-scientific-look-into-the-fox-news-effect/#8851ea712abc
https://www.poynter.org/reporting-editing/2012/survey-nprs-listeners-best-informed-fox-news-viewers-worst-informed/
The Dad Fisherman 03-26-2019, 02:44 PM https://www.politifact.com/punditfact/article/2014/sep/16/fact-checking-fox-msnbc-and-cnn-punditfacts-networ/
https://www.forbes.com/sites/quora/2016/07/21/a-rigorous-scientific-look-into-the-fox-news-effect/#8851ea712abc
https://www.poynter.org/reporting-editing/2012/survey-nprs-listeners-best-informed-fox-news-viewers-worst-informed/
Why do you folks always assume that because people have a problem with CNN that they are automatically less intelligent and Rabid FOX viewers. Quite the assumption if you ask me
PaulS 03-26-2019, 02:51 PM Why do you folks always assume that because people have a problem with CNN that they are automatically less intelligent and Rabid FOX viewers. Quite the assumption if you ask me
Denis made a statement about 2 of the larger networks yet didn't mention the one w/the highest ratings. I pointed out that Fox seems to have "less journalistic integrity" than the 2 mentioned.
Maybe he gets his news from NPR?
Jim in CT 03-26-2019, 03:01 PM https://www.politifact.com/punditfact/article/2014/sep/16/fact-checking-fox-msnbc-and-cnn-punditfacts-networ/
https://www.forbes.com/sites/quora/2016/07/21/a-rigorous-scientific-look-into-the-fox-news-effect/#8851ea712abc
https://www.poynter.org/reporting-editing/2012/survey-nprs-listeners-best-informed-fox-news-viewers-worst-informed/
I wonder if these thorough studies, were done by the same people who said Hilary was going to win in a landslide.
Fox exposes bias in most of the media, and I'm supposed to be shocked when those same people slander Fox.
Yawn.
Jim in CT 03-26-2019, 03:06 PM I pointed out that Fox seems to have "less journalistic integrity" than the 2 mentioned.
?
Watch Tucker Carlson for a week, then watch Chris Hayes or Rachael Maddow for a week on MSNBC, and then Chris Cuomo and Don Lemon at CNN, and let me know who has more integrity, and why.
I watch Tucker Carlson maybe 1-2 times a week. I've never seen a show of his where he didn't criticize Trumps behavior, and I've never seen a show of his where he didn't say to a liberal, "that's a good point".
Liberals can't ever, and I mean EVER, admit they lost a fair fight. Trump beats Hilary, it must be Russian collusion. Fox clobbers CNN and MSNBC in the ratings, they must be appealing to people who can't keep up with watching reruns of "Hee Haw".
PaulS 03-26-2019, 04:49 PM Tucker Carlson isn't he the hero of the white nationalist movement?
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spence 03-26-2019, 04:53 PM Watch Tucker Carlson for a week, then watch Chris Hayes or Rachael Maddow for a week on MSNBC, and then Chris Cuomo and Don Lemon at CNN, and let me know who has more integrity, and why.
Any of them have more integrity that Tucker. They may be liberal but they don't just make #^&#^&#^&#^& up day after day.
I watch Tucker Carlson maybe 1-2 times a week.
It shows.
Liberals can't ever, and I mean EVER, admit they lost a fair fight. Trump beats Hilary, it must be Russian collusion. Fox clobbers CNN and MSNBC in the ratings, they must be appealing to people who can't keep up with watching reruns of "Hee Haw".
Jim, not sure if you've been following the news but Mueller just handed down 14 indictments for an unprecedented Russian misinformation campaign to influence the 2016 election.
scottw 03-26-2019, 04:59 PM Jim, not sure if you've been following the news but Mueller just handed down 14 indictments for an unprecedented Russian misinformation campaign to influence the 2016 election.
did you just wake up from a long nap?
Sea Dangles 03-26-2019, 06:13 PM What that had to do with Trump is the question,they should look into it.
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