https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5znCm0Od08

MAGA - Mexicans Always Get Across
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I read that a section of fencing that the Obama admin approved to get upgraded was adorned with a plaque commemorating Trump's first section of the new border wall.

No, I didn't just make that up.

This must mean a code red is soon to follow.
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Trump ran on building a wall, then comes in and built nothing and ironically his actions and policies have dramatically increased the problem he was going to stop. This of course sets him up to run in 2020 on his favorite platform, look what’s happening still at our southern border, elect me again and I promise this time I will build that wall.
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he deserves criticism for not fulfilling that promise, no question.
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MAGA - Mexicans Always Get Across
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on a friday afternoon:
i used to take our 2 mexican workers down to tecate mexico since i was
going there anyways to buy diesel fuel @ 1/2 price

and they'd say "see you on monday" ---- as they knew the trail back like memory.... come monday, there they were all smiles
every single time

rump lying seems to be his national priority


Trump's false claim that child separations were carried out by the Obama administration has been frequently refuted.

but yet he still insists it to be True .....

rump lying seems to be his national priority


Trump's false claim that child separations were carried out by the Obama administration has been frequently refuted.

but yet he still insists it to be True .....

Pretty sure it happened under Obama, was expanded under Trump, no?

"Past administrations also separated children from the adults they arrived with in the United States. But immigration experts said those separations were relatively rare and nowhere near the scale under the Trump administration."

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2018/nov/29/donald-trump/donald-trump-falsely-says-family-separations-were-/

Pretty sure it happened under Obama, was expanded under Trump, no?

"Past administrations also separated children from the adults they arrived with in the United States. But immigration experts said those separations were relatively rare and nowhere near the scale under the Trump administration."

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2018/nov/29/donald-trump/donald-trump-falsely-says-family-separations-were-/
Obama did it in a limited manner when the parents were being charged with more serious crimes or they believed it could be child trafficking. Trump made it a policy to charge all parents with crimes and sepearate most kids. The policies are very different.

Jim, we’ve covered this like 10 times.
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Obama did it in a limited manner when the parents were being charged with more serious crimes or they believed it could be child trafficking. Trump made it a policy to charge all parents with crimes and sepearate most kids. The policies are very different.

Jim, we’ve covered this like 10 times.
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wdmso said that obama
didn’t separate kids from parents. false.
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wdmso said that obama
didn’t separate kids from parents. false.
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Use your brain.
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Use your brain.
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a cowardly, unsubstantiated insult? get outa here, so
unlike you.

i posted a link, stating that obama separated kids from parents.
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a cowardly, unsubstantiated insult? get outa here, so
unlike you.

i posted a link, stating that obama separated kids from parents.
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Yes, you did. In the cases the politico article outlines.
https://images.app.goo.gl/7cJgC4P2UrWaXpYV9

Can you admit trump vastly increased the use of this policy?
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Yes, you did. In the cases the politico article outlines.
https://images.app.goo.gl/7cJgC4P2UrWaXpYV9

Can you admit trump vastly increased the use of this policy?
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In Jim's world they are the same thing . And he clearly believes Trump at all times.
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President Obama separated children. They had child separation; I was the one that changed it," Trump said. Trump made the comments during a photo op

It was then-Attorney General Jeff Sessions who instituted the "zero tolerance" policy at the Southern border in April 2018, which resulted in children being separated from their parents who were taken into custody for criminal prosecution.

If Trump could have his way and get rid of all the judges, he would ramp it up and there would be a massive amount of humiliation violations taking place. Trump has no respect for the law, it’s hard to believe a president of the United States would call to eliminate the judges, no authoritarian impulses there boys.
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Yes, you did. In the cases the politico article outlines.
https://images.app.goo.gl/7cJgC4P2UrWaXpYV9

Can you admit trump vastly increased the use of this policy?
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i refer you to post #9, where i say explicitly that obama didn’t do it nearly on the same scale..

now, can you admit that obama separated kids from parents at the border? and that he got no criticism for it? it only became shameful when trump did it. and no one said the issue was how frequently trump was doing it ( is there an acceptable number of times to do it?), only that he was doing it.

Trump Derangement Syndrome, in all its glory.

the arrival of huge numbers of children at the border is a new thing: itbused to be that 90% of illegals were single males. not anymore. we don’t have anywhere NEAR the infrastructure to deal with it.
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In Jim's world they are the same thing . And he clearly believes Trump at all times.
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President Obama separated children. They had child separation; I was the one that changed it," Trump said. Trump made the comments during a photo op

It was then-Attorney General Jeff Sessions who instituted the "zero tolerance" policy at the Southern border in April 2018, which resulted in children being separated from their parents who were taken into custody for criminal prosecution.

read your post. you claimed obama didn’t separate kids from parents. that’s not true, it’s demonstrably false. that’s all i was responding to.
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i refer you to post #9, where i say explicitly that obama didn’t do it nearly on the same scale..
Sorry, I missed that.


now, can you admit that obama separated kids from parents at the border? and that he got no criticism for it? it only became shameful when trump did it. and no one said the issue was how frequently trump was doing it ( is there an acceptable number of times to do it?), only that he was doing it.

Yes, but again, this was done when the parents were being charged with a serious crime OR it was suspected trafficking. Not as a 'deterrent' as Trump so proudly admitted.


the arrival of huge numbers of children at the border is a new thing: itbused to be that 90% of illegals were single males. not anymore. we don’t have anywhere NEAR the infrastructure to deal with it.
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Agreed, but I don't think the answer to this is to separate families and put kids in dog kennels.

Sorry, I missed that.



Yes, but again, this was done when the parents were being charged with a serious crime OR it was suspected trafficking. Not as a 'deterrent' as Trump so proudly admitted.



Agreed, but I don't think the answer to this is to separate families and put kids in dog kennels.

dog kennels aren’t ideal. but we also know for a fact that some of the “families” are using rented kids to appear as a family, to exploit our laws. How the hell do you respond to that?

it’s a mess. it’s a mess becuse. the snugglers know that if children are present, the group had a much better chance of staying.

a huge, huge mess. one side denies there’s even an issue.
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It wasn’t a huge mess until Trump and his policies turned it into one, but this is his bizarre strategy to create more chaos and amplify it by firing the department head. Now he will ramp up the rhetoric to instill fear in his base to prepare his 2020 campaign run to sell Trump and his policies as the solution to the mess he created so he could solve it. Classic move don’t be fooled.
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That Damn Obama separating an adult who the border patrol thinks may have committed a serious crime like murder or kidnapping a child from the minor child they are with. I guess they could have done the following instead of separating them:

1) Detain the adult in a cell with the minor child so as to not separate them.
2) Let the adult and child go so as to not separate them and hope they come back
3) Any other suggestions?

It wasn’t a huge mess until Trump and his policies turned it into one, but this is his bizarre strategy to create more chaos and amplify it by firing the department head. Now he will ramp up the rhetoric to instill fear in his base to prepare his 2020 campaign run to sell Trump and his policies as the solution to the mess he created so he could solve it. Classic move don’t be fooled.
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What? It was not a huge mess? We have anywhere from 11 million to 30 million or more illegals in this country and you say it was not a huge mess? And there was no effective, sincere, and sustained effort to stop that mess. And blocking this current President from attacking the mess is not a mess?

Right, right, all was well until the Don stepped in and mucked it all up. If he would just stay out of it, all would be just dandy.

It wasn’t a huge mess until Trump and his policies turned it into one, but this is his bizarre strategy to create more chaos and amplify it by firing the department head. Now he will ramp up the rhetoric to instill fear in his base to prepare his 2020 campaign run to sell Trump and his policies as the solution to the mess he created so he could solve it. Classic move don’t be fooled.
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That's not true. It turned into a mess when the majority of immigrants changed form being single men, to family units. American law says that single men can be quickly processed and shipped back. American law precludes that with families, we have to hold them for a period. we didn't then, nor do we now, have the facilities for that.

The criminals are aware of our laws, so are staging fake family units. There's no easy answer to this. well there is, the answer I sto change the law and ship families back as fast as we used to send individuals back. Right now, theres a huge incentive for illegals to bring kids with them.

It's a mess, and it's not one of Trumps making, any more than the recession was Obama's fault.

That Damn Obama separating an adult who the border patrol thinks may have committed a serious crime like murder or kidnapping a child from the minor child they are with. I guess they could have done the following instead of separating them:

1) Detain the adult in a cell with the minor child so as to not separate them.
2) Let the adult and child go so as to not separate them and hope they come back
3) Any other suggestions?

Paul, what would you do, when overnight, the majority of illegals switched form individuals we could ship back the next day, to families with kids who by law, cannot be shipped back right away.

Tens of thousands of such people every month. Every month, tens of thousands. You have no idea who they are, you don't know if it's an actual family or a staged family designed to skirt our laws. What would you do? What should we be doing?

If Trump didn't separate them, and put them all together in a huge pen, and any of those kids were harmed by adults, then the liberal zombies would be saying Trump would have separated those kids if he cared about them, that's it's wrong to foerce kids and adults to be penned together.

Can we let them all go in your neighborhood Paul? Are you OK with that? 100,000 in March alone? can they all get housing, education, and healthcare in your town?

What should he be doing?

That's not true. It turned into a mess when the majority of immigrants changed form being single men, to family units. American law says that single men can be quickly processed and shipped back. American law precludes that with families, we have to hold them for a period. we didn't then, nor do we now, have the facilities for that.

The criminals are aware of our laws, so are staging fake family units. There's no easy answer to this. well there is, the answer I sto change the law and ship families back as fast as we used to send individuals back. Right now, theres a huge incentive for illegals to bring kids with them.

It's a mess, and it's not one of Trumps making, any more than the recession was Obama's fault.
Ok so explain the spike?
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Ok so explain the spike?
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Could be various reasons. Perhaps the fear that something may now actually be done to stop the flow inspires a whole bunch to cross over before it becomes a lot harder to do. Perhaps some leftist orgs like Soros's "America's Voice" are helping to fund a massive inflow in order to overwhelm the system in order to bring Trump down and to instigate a so-called "comprehensive immigration plan" that gives amnesty to all those illegals here and to make it easier to promote an "open borders" policy which can forever tip the number of voters here toward transforming the great USA into the tip of the spear that militates the global community into the great, egalitarian social justice dream. Or maybe it's just a coincidence.

Thanks so we are in agreement, the policies have made it far worse
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Thanks so we are in agreement, the policies have made it far worse
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No, Trump's policies have been blocked. The previous policies, that have essentially allowed the borders to be porous while allowing millions who enter illegally to stay, are still in place. The threat that Trump's policies will actually be allowed may spur some to take advantage of the porous border en masse now while they can. When and if Trump's policies are actually wholly in place, the "mess" may become less of one.

So in 2000 856,256 aperhension 1st 6 months of that fiscal year

And 361,087 1st 6 month's of fiscal year 2019

How did we ever survive what happened in 2000

Paul, what would you do, when overnight, the majority of illegals switched form individuals we could ship back the next day, to families with kids who by law, cannot be shipped back right away.


I'm like to know what Obama should have done with criminals and the minors they were with? I can't think of anything other than those 2 options.

I don't see a comparison between the scenerio I mentioned and someone applying for asylum w/a minor.

So in 2000 856,256 aperhension 1st 6 months of that fiscal year

And 361,087 1st 6 month's of fiscal year 2019

How did we ever survive what happened in 2000

Apprehension and return are two different things. Numbers residing here are more important. You do realize that 10% of California's workforce is illegal immigrants, and 6% percent of its population are illegal immigrants?

Ok so explain the spike?
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i just did. instead of single guys crossing, they are bringing family units, because american law makes it far more likely that they can stay, than a single man could stay. they are gaming our laws. families are larger than singles. there’s the spike. plus our economy is absolutely soaring, and that usually drives up immigration, because there are lots of jobs available.
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I'm like to know what Obama should have done with criminals and the minors they were with? I can't think of anything other than those 2 options.

I don't see a comparison between the scenerio I mentioned and someone applying for asylum w/a minor.

obama
didn’t have anywhere near this many families, he had 90% single men.

when trump roof office, there was no onfasteucture to deal with this. it’s not obama’s fault, because NO ONE could have forseen the massive shift from singles to families. it’s not trumps fault either.
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i just did. instead of single guys crossing, they are bringing family units, because american law makes it far more likely that they can stay, than a single man could stay. they are gaming our laws. families are larger than singles. there’s the spike. plus our economy is absolutely soaring, and that usually drives up immigration, because there are lots of jobs available.
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Laws didn’t change during this administration , but policies did.
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Laws didn’t change during this administration , but policies did.
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Which new policy is the cause for the spike?

Apprehension and return are two different things. Numbers residing here are more important. You do realize that 10% of California's workforce is illegal immigrants, and 6% percent of its population are illegal immigrants?


Immigrants who are in California illegally make up 38% of the agriculture industry Jobs americans won't do


2016 and Nevada is 7.1 % Calf 5.6 % Texas is 5.7 and NJ is 5.2 none of this is New


2010 California (6.8%), Nevada (7.2%) and Texas (6.7%).

https://www.pewhispanic.org/interactives/u-s-unauthorized-immigrants-by-state/

So from 2010 2019 the only things that changed is Trumps rhetoric

he has tried to use executive orders ( which now are acceptable for his supporters) he hasn't attempted any meaningful immigration reform (his base wont allow that ) south america has gone to #^&#^&#^&#^& not his fault .. and we have the lowest unemployment in history
so they are stealing our jobs doesn't fly any more .

So Trump does what he does on any topic he can't control he blames everyone else the courts homeland security mexico ..

its cheeper to help these people where they live .. but foreign aid is Taboo for his base ... so they will keep coming its what desperate people do

Laws didn’t change during this administration , but policies did.
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i didn’t say laws changed. but the immigrants are now changing their tactics, because of already existing laws.

why are you denying what is irrefutable? it has nothing to do with trump. immigrants figured out that they’re better off
if they drag children with them. that’s what’s happening, it’s haioening in huge numbers that we’ve never seen before.

take off the tin foil
hat, and
listed to wht the border patrol
is saying. that’s not a defense if trump
or an attack in obama. it’s a statement if fact.

so what would
you do, if the infrastructure was built in the assumption that 90% of illegals were single
men who the law said could be sent right back, and suddenly it’s all families with children, whom the law says need to be held and then often released? there’s nowhere to put them, and we arrested 100,000 last month.

how the hell do you respond to that? beats me.
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obama
didn’t have anywhere near this many families, he had 90% single men.

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You're welcome not to answer the question but all that I've asked is what was Obama supposed to do with adults who they thought murdered someone or possibly kidnapped a minor?

If that was the situation w/a US citizen, wouldn't the 2 be separated in state/city jail?

i didn’t say laws changed. but the immigrants are now changing their tactics, because of already existing laws.

why are you denying what is irrefutable? it has nothing to do with trump. immigrants figured out that they’re better off
if they drag children with them. that’s what’s happening, it’s haioening in huge numbers that we’ve never seen before.

take off the tin foil
hat, and
listed to wht the border patrol
is saying. that’s not a defense if trump
or an attack in obama. it’s a statement if fact.

so what would
you do, if the infrastructure was built in the assumption that 90% of illegals were single
men who the law said could be sent right back, and suddenly it’s all families with children, whom the law says need to be held and then often released? there’s nowhere to put them, and we arrested 100,000 last month.

how the hell do you respond to that? beats me.
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Show me the study proving the percentage of crossings by fake family units, I know it happens, but I don’t believe it’s anywhere near the crisis and fear level Trump would have you believe; but then again it’s clear the base believes it regardless of facts. Do you admit a trumps rhetoric, current and future policies on the radar have resulted in the spike at the border, I’m guessing not.
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You're welcome not to answer the question but all that I've asked is what was Obama supposed to do with adults who they thought murdered someone or possibly kidnapped a minor?

If that was the situation w/a US citizen, wouldn't the 2 be separated in state/city jail?

sorry , i agree 100%, i have no wurtel
with what obama
did. ok?

now, faced with a massive increase in the number of
migrant families with kids, and zero infrastructure to deal with it, what is trump supposed to do.

we caught 100,000 people
in march. most are decent people, a small number are not, and the bad ones don’t wear signs. so should we put all the men , women, and children in a big pen together? if we do that, and a couple of those men are oedipbiles andbatta k the kids, are you going to blame trump for that?

it’s a mess. it’s not the fault ifmobama or trump. i told you i think obama handle it well. what should trump be doing? should
be build a federal disney world
and put the families there wh
we figure out what to do with them?
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sorry , i agree 100%, i have no wurtel
with what obama
did. ok?
Thank you for the response. I just don't think the 2 situations are comparable. Obama had no choice and Trump made a conscious decision to separate the families.

now, faced with a massive increase in the number of
migrant families with kids, and zero infrastructure to deal with it, what is trump supposed to do.

we caught 100,000 people
in march. most are decent people, a small number are not, and the bad ones don’t wear signs. so should we put all the men , women, and children in a big pen together? if we do that, and a couple of those men are oedipbiles andbatta k the kids, are you going to blame trump for that?

it’s a mess. it’s not the fault ifmobama or trump. i told you i think obama handle it well. what should trump be doing? should
be build a federal disney world
and put the families there wh
we figure out what to do with them?
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I don't blame Trump for the problem at the border - ie the amount of people trying to get into the US, only for trying to cause pain by separating families.

I actually agreed with what Sessions said at one point and it was something like asylum is not supposed to be bc you fear violence or your spouse is threatening you, it should only be for actual violence committed by a govern (he might have said gangs also).

Show me the study proving the percentage of crossings by fake family units, I know it happens, but I don’t believe it’s anywhere near the crisis and fear level Trump would have you believe; but then again it’s clear the base believes it regardless of facts. Do you admit a trumps rhetoric, current and future policies on the radar have resulted in the spike at the border, I’m guessing not.
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"Show me the study proving the percentage of crossings by fake family units, I know it happens, but I don’t believe it’s anywhere "

well, what you believe doesn't matter a fig. What matters, is what is actually happening. Watch the news, and listen to what border patrol agents are saying.

There are a million articles you could google, here is an article in the right wing, pro-Trump New York Times.

Here is a pull out quote...

"Traveling with children is helping migrants avoid detention"

Now, since you have clearly concluded that there was no logidtical reason for the increased separation of kids, and that Trump was just doing it because he's cruel, I'd love to ask you, do you feel like you've been duped, and lied to, by whoever you get your news from?

Huge numbers of kids showed up that weren't there before. American law doesn't allow for quick deportation when children are present. Those two things together, have created a huge logistical challenge. Add to that, the raw numbers of immigrants are surging, as poor people from Central America (as opposed to just Mexico) are making the trip.

So I'll ask you what I asked Paul...if you were president, and huge numbers of children starting showing up, and American law said that you can't just deport them as easily as you can single males, and you have zero infrastructure to deal with it, what would you do?

Trump separated the children while figuring out what to do. He is attacked for that (even though no one cared when Obama did it on a smaller scale). If Trump put everyone in one huge area, and kids were raped by a couple of pedophiles, he'd get attacked for that.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/05/us/crossing-the-border-statistics.html?te=1

Immigrants who are in California illegally make up 38% of the agriculture industry Jobs americans won't do

"Jobs Americans won't do" is a fake talking point. Americans will do them if they have to. What's even more appropriate is that they would do them if those jobs paid more. Illegals who will work for less suppresses the wages to below what many Americans won't work for. The U6 method of counting the number of unemployed (the real number) hovers around 11 million, which is incidentally the supposed total number of illegals here--even those who are not working. So there are enough unemployed "Americans" to do the work. But illegals suppress the wages to an unacceptable level.

So from 2010 2019 the only things that changed is Trumps rhetoric

That's an extreme view. A lot of things have changed. And previous rhetoric that was more inviting to illegal immigration encouraged it. Opposition to the implementation of Trump's policies has maintained a status quo that is similar to the previous policies.

he has tried to use executive orders ( which now are acceptable for his supporters)

Executive orders that emanate from the Executive's actual constitutional power are "acceptable". Executive orders outside of constitutional power are not acceptable.

he hasn't attempted any meaningful immigration reform (his base wont allow that )

Meaningful immigration reform has not been made long before Trump--unless by "meaningful" you mean amnesty which invites more of the same, as well as other measures that make illegal immigration easier rather than actually stopping it (which a significant part of the Dem base won't allow).

south america has gone to #^&#^&#^&#^& not his fault ..

Right.

and we have the lowest unemployment in history

thank you Trump

so they are stealing our jobs doesn't fly any more .

See above.

So Trump does what he does on any topic he can't control he blames everyone else the courts homeland security mexico ..

Much of that blame is correct.

its cheeper to help these people where they live .. but foreign aid is Taboo for his base ... so they will keep coming its what desperate people do

Foreign aid has not helped. The mess continued and got worse in spite of foreign aid. The "aid" may well have helped to maintain the mess. Ultimately, the only "meaningful" solution is for those people and their governments to solve their own problem. Foreign aid helps to put off the hard, even revolutionary, work that needs to be done.

Economists disagree whether or how much an influx of immigrants depresses wages. Some have found that new immigrants depress wages for certain groups, such as teenagers or workers with a high school diploma or less. Others say the overall effect on the economy is tiny, and an influx of immigrant workers vitalizes the economy overall.

Either way, the forces driving wage reductions for blue-collar workers go far beyond immigration.

Another strawman argument from the right if the pay was better Americans would do it total BS

Economists disagree whether or how much an influx of immigrants depresses wages.

Another strawman argument from the right if the pay was better Americans would do it total BS

Impressive.

Economists disagree whether or how much an influx of immigrants depresses wages. Some have found that new immigrants depress wages for certain groups, such as teenagers or workers with a high school diploma or less. Others say the overall effect on the economy is tiny, and an influx of immigrant workers vitalizes the economy overall.

Either way, the forces driving wage reductions for blue-collar workers go far beyond immigration.

Another strawman argument from the right if the pay was better Americans would do it total BS

"Economists disagree whether or how much an influx of immigrants depresses wages"

They don't disagree, at least the honest ones, on the fact that they are a huge drain on the economy, and a huge drain on local resources (they need places to live, schools, medical care, police protection, etc). And they don't pay sufficient taxes to fund these things.

If I was born in Mexico or Central America I'd come here, no question. But we can't afford huge numbers of penniless, unskilled immigrants. And the more who come illegally, the fewer spots there are for people playing by the rules, waiting to come legally. That's grotesquely unfair to them. I have a friend who waited in Albania for 2+ years for his chance to come here, and we look the other way while people essentially cut him in line? It's not close to fair.

"Economists disagree whether or how much an influx of immigrants depresses wages"

They don't disagree, at least the honest ones, on the fact that they are a huge drain on the economy, and a huge drain on local resources (they need places to live, schools, medical care, police protection, etc). And they don't pay sufficient taxes to fund these things.

If I was born in Mexico or Central America I'd come here, no question. But we can't afford huge numbers of penniless, unskilled immigrants. And the more who come illegally, the fewer spots there are for people playing by the rules, waiting to come legally. That's grotesquely unfair to them. I have a friend who waited in Albania for 2+ years for his chance to come here, and we look the other way while people essentially cut him in line? It's not close to fair.

Jim if you pay only rent do you pay enought taxes for school police? you speak as if they don't work spend money any place most states get the majority from sales and property tax my town has kids in its school from other towns who get dropped off at grandma's.


Homeland Security raised the cap on H-2B visas for foreign guest workers from 66,000 visas per year to 81,000.

On Thursday — just three days later — Trump’s properties told the Department of Labor that they wanted approval to hire 76 guest workers us

Ask those who live on the cape about H 2B there's a brazillian of the working in the summer

So again they are not stealing jobs of depressing wages .. a 20cent hike in gas prices do more damage the avacodo and landscapers

There is no fair system comprehensive immigration may help but Republicans will never give up something that motivates their base
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Jim if you pay only rent do you pay enought taxes for school police? you speak as if they don't work spend money any place most states get the majority from sales and property tax my town has kids in its school from other towns who get dropped off at grandma's.


Homeland Security raised the cap on H-2B visas for foreign guest workers from 66,000 visas per year to 81,000.

On Thursday — just three days later — Trump’s properties told the Department of Labor that they wanted approval to hire 76 guest workers us

Ask those who live on the cape about H 2B there's a brazillian of the working in the summer

So again they are not stealing jobs of depressing wages .. a 20cent hike in gas prices do more damage the avacodo and landscapers

There is no fair system comprehensive immigration may help but Republicans will never give up something that motivates their base
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no, people
who only pay a modest rent, probably aren’t paying their own way. heck, i have three kids in public school, which costs my town $42,000 a year, i don’t pay anywhere near that.

so you might say i’m as big a leech as the illegals. but there’s a slight difference. i’m an american citizen. and over time, the town will recoup most of that.

i never said they don’t work or spend money ( hearing voices again). i said they are a huge drain. and obviously i’m right.

You say republicans won’t compromise? they offered a compromise
on daca in return for the wall ( the wall which democrats supported until Trump came along). neither side is in a compromising mood, sonlittle gets done. Trump had two years to do whatever he wanted, and he blew it.
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Homeland Security raised the cap on H-2B visas for foreign guest workers from 66,000 visas per year to 81,000.

H-2B guest workers are here LEGALLY. Why do we need ILLEGAL workers if we can get what we need LEGALLY?

So again they are not stealing jobs of depressing wages .. a 20cent hike in gas prices do more damage the avacodo and landscapers

So why don't Americans who are looking for work not take those jobs?

There is no fair system comprehensive immigration may help but Republicans will never give up something that motivates their base
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Their base wants LEGAL immigrants. It doesn't want millions of ILLEGAL immigrants. It doesn't want illegal immigrants rewarded, nor given citizenship and voting rights. Why is that difficult to accomplish?

Their base wants LEGAL immigrants. It doesn't want millions of ILLEGAL immigrants. It doesn't want illegal immigrants rewarded, nor given citizenship and voting rights. Why is that difficult to accomplish?

it’s difficult because the left has astutely turned this into a wedge issue for votes. that, and there are a lot of powerful people who get cheap labor from illegal immigration, and don’t want the spigot turned off. that happens on both sides.
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Trump says he may release immigrant detainees in sanctuary cities, contradicting his own White House

True Clown

more lack of understanding what sanctuary cities means ....

it means we are not going to enforce or assist ICE when the Government won't pay the cities or states for that assistance

Their base wants LEGAL immigrants. It doesn't want millions of ILLEGAL immigrants. It doesn't want illegal immigrants rewarded, nor given citizenship and voting rights. Why is that difficult to accomplish?

yea the left wants the vote from those who can't vote another fantasy told to their base before bed..


totals dont equal a win Clinton received 2.87 million more votes nationwide (the largest margin ever for a candidate who lost the electoral college

yea the left wants the vote from those who can't vote another fantasy told to their base before bed..


totals dont equal a win Clinton received 2.87 million more votes nationwide (the largest margin ever for a candidate who lost the electoral college

the left wants to convince their base that i’m a racist. i’m aware that popular vote isn’t a guarantee, but if you’re implying that both sides don’t aspire to get as
many bites as possible, you are wrong.

so, sanctuary cities and states will cooperate with ICE, if the feds compensate them
for doing so? are you certain about that? do you have an article or link which states that? i was unaware of that.
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i said they are a huge drain. and obviously i’m right.
I've never seen a serious study indicate they are a huge drain, in fact it's just the opposite.

Where does your "obviously" come from? Please vet your sources.

President told McAleenan, since named the acting secretary of the Department of Homeland Security, that he "would pardon him if he ever went to jail for denying US entry to migrants," as one of the officials

But I am sure his supporter's won't have an issue with such a promise

the left wants to convince their base that i’m a racist. i’m aware that popular vote isn’t a guarantee, but if you’re implying that both sides don’t aspire to get as
many bites as possible, you are wrong.

so, sanctuary cities and states will cooperate with ICE, if the feds compensate them
for doing so? are you certain about that? do you have an article or link which states that? i was unaware of that.
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Yes cost is just one of the many reasons they choose not to assist ice the other reasons are easily outlined in those cities

The right sees , sanctuary cities as homeomegrown equivalent of the myth of “no-go zones” in Europe

the idea that Democratic local officials are attempting to undermine “real” America by sheltering masses of unauthorized immigrants and allowing them to terrorize Americans.
That's what Trumps selling

Here's some good reading https://www.google.com/search?q=cost+of+helping+feds+enforce+imigration+l aws&oq=cost+of+helping+feds+enforce+imigration+laws&aqs=chrome..69i57j33.21501j0j4&client=tablet-android-samsung&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8

What is the cost to state and local law enforcement agencies?

o The total cost of immigration detainers in the United States is unknown because they vary
considerably across jurisdiction. However, the cost of compliance can be quite high. The
state of California, for example, spends approximately $65 million tax dollars each year
detaining individuals for ICE.
• Does the federal government reimburse state and local governments for the cost
of holding someone under an ICE detainer?
o No, ICE does not reimburse the cost of holding individuals under a detainer. (Renting jail
space to ICE is not the same as detaining someone on an ICE detainer.) Additionally, ICE
is not liable and will not indemnify localities for any liability incurred while housing
these detainees. Several counties have faced legal action as a result of rights violations
that occurred while detaining individuals for ICE. The Sheriff’s Office in Jefferson
County, Colorado recently paid a $40,000 settlement to a man who was wrongfully
imprisoned due to an ICE detainer.
• Are state and local law enforcement agencies required to participate?
o No, ICE detainers are not criminal warrants; they are merely voluntary requests. Law
enforcement agencies can choose whether to comply.

What is the cost to state and local law enforcement agencies?

o The total cost of immigration detainers in the United States is unknown because they vary
considerably across jurisdiction. However, the cost of compliance can be quite high. The
state of California, for example, spends approximately $65 million tax dollars each year
detaining individuals for ICE.
• Does the federal government reimburse state and local governments for the cost
of holding someone under an ICE detainer?
o No, ICE does not reimburse the cost of holding individuals under a detainer. (Renting jail
space to ICE is not the same as detaining someone on an ICE detainer.) Additionally, ICE
is not liable and will not indemnify localities for any liability incurred while housing
these detainees. Several counties have faced legal action as a result of rights violations
that occurred while detaining individuals for ICE. The Sheriff’s Office in Jefferson
County, Colorado recently paid a $40,000 settlement to a man who was wrongfully
imprisoned due to an ICE detainer.
• Are state and local law enforcement agencies required to participate?
o No, ICE detainers are not criminal warrants; they are merely voluntary requests. Law
enforcement agencies can choose whether to comply.

It's a way of cost sharing for a common goal. If the Federal Government did not share the cost, even most of it, of catching and deporting illegal aliens, the states would have to take on the full cost. If some states are not willing to share the cost, and if they were not willing to take on any cost at all, then it could be assumed that they are not concerned about illegal aliens, even large numbers of them, in their community. I assume creating a sanctuary city is a statement of exactly that. So those states should not be averse to accepting large numbers of aliens since they're not willing to participate in catching, holding, and deporting illegal aliens. States which are willing to cooperate and share the cost with the Federal government, or take on the full job and cost on their own, deserve not to have a bunch of illegals dumped into their community, especially when the lack of cooperation by the others helps to create a draw for aliens to illegally cross the border.

It's a way of cost sharing for a common goal. If the Federal Government did not share the cost, even most of it, of catching and deporting illegal aliens, the states would have to take on the full cost. If some states are not willing to share the cost, and if they were not willing to take on any cost at all, then it could be assumed that they are not concerned about illegal aliens, even large numbers of them, in their community. I assume creating a sanctuary city is a statement of exactly that. So those states should not be averse to accepting large numbers of aliens since they're not willing to participate in catching, holding, and deporting illegal aliens. States which are willing to cooperate and share the cost with the Federal government, or take on the full job and cost on their own, deserve not to have a bunch of illegals dumped into their community, especially when the lack of cooperation by the others helps to create a draw for aliens to illegally cross the border.

lack of cooperation by the others helps to create a draw for aliens to illegally cross the border. (another bedtime story ) how do you explain why them came before there were things called sanctuary cities ?


Trump "Due to the fact that Democrats are unwilling to change our very dangerous immigration laws,

haven't seen any suggestions from the Potus on this topic




Funny theory l send those we dont want to sanctuary cities I'll show them

These people just walked some 2,269 mi what Makes Trump or you think they'll stay in the sanctuary cities and not just walk to their friend or family live or where there is work..

Simple solution from not simple problems Trumps 2020 slogan

Shhh dont let Trumps base know

The Trump administration has agreed to settle a lawsuit with a dozen Central American families who challenged the government's cancellation of a program that was designed to reunite children in that region with their parents living in the U.S.

lack of cooperation by the others helps to create a draw for aliens to illegally cross the border. (another bedtime story ) how do you explain why them came before there were things called sanctuary cities ?


Trump "Due to the fact that Democrats are unwilling to change our very dangerous immigration laws,

haven't seen any suggestions from the Potus on this topic




Funny theory l send those we dont want to sanctuary cities I'll show them

These people just walked some 2,269 mi what Makes Trump or you think they'll stay in the sanctuary cities and not just walk to their friend or family live or where there is work..

Simple solution from not simple problems Trumps 2020 slogan
If you think these women and children just walked 2 thousand miles you may just be a snowflake.
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If you think these women and children just walked 2 thousand miles you may just be a snowflake.
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and if you think it was easy you my be in denial


I am sure they walked farther than the both of us have ever had to walk ..

I bet it was a relaxing 2 thousand mile trip

lack of cooperation by the others helps to create a draw for aliens to illegally cross the border. (another bedtime story ) how do you explain why them came before there were things called sanctuary cities ?

Is this some military tactic you constantly employ--pick what you consider a weak spot in a post, attack it while avoiding the main strength of the argument, then somehow making it all collapse because of what you think is some major victory? The main thrust of my post was a response to what you considered an important monetary reason for states not cooperating with ICE. You totally avoided my reasoning re that and went to my throw in comment and thought you could really demolish it by calling it a bedtime story. And if you think sanctuary cities or states are not an added bonus for illegals, perhaps the dream fairy helps you sleep at night.

Trump "Due to the fact that Democrats are unwilling to change our very dangerous immigration laws, haven't seen any suggestions from the Potus on this topic

I'm not very interested in your not seeing suggestions from the POTUS. And it's not a coherent response to the post to which you were presumably responding.

Funny theory l send those we dont want to sanctuary cities I'll show them These people just walked some 2,269 mi what Makes Trump or you think they'll stay in the sanctuary cities and not just walk to their friend or family live or where there is work..

More of your typical gibberish deflection (off the topic of my post to which you were presumably responding).

Simple solution from not simple problems Trumps 2020 slogan

Again, simply irrelevant to my post. Maybe you just wandered off and replied to some other post with one of your simple bedtime stories.

how do you explain why them came before there were things called sanctuary cities ?


Who said sanctuary cities are why they come here?

and if you think it was easy you my be in denial


I am sure they walked farther than the both of us have ever had to walk ..

I bet it was a relaxing 2 thousand mile trip

If you think I said it is easy you are making things up again.

If you think they had to walk you are mistaken again.

If you think the majority of immigrants who came to this country had a relaxing trip you are delusional. Again
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Who said sanctuary cities are why they come here?

You...


especially when the lack of cooperation by the others helps to create a draw for aliens to illegally cross the border.

If you think I said it is easy you are making things up again. you never said anything as usual

If you think they had to walk you are mistaken again. So are you suggesting they didn't walk any of the 2000 miles?

If you think the majority of immigrants who came to this country had a relaxing trip you are delusional. Again

Seem you missed the sarcasm in relaxing trip that was for your comment they didn't walk
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oh well

I am simply suggesting that they didn’t have to leave their country to begin with.

Wayne, you gobble up all the propaganda and swallow before you chew.
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(originally posted by detbuch "Who said sanctuary cities are why they come here?")

You...
"especially when the lack of cooperation by the others helps to create a draw for aliens to illegally cross the border."

Sanctuary cities are not mentioned in that last sentence that you quote me. Nor is that sentence referring to them as the reason why illegals come here.

What it refers to, if you read the whole paragraph which that sentence ends, is the ENTIRE lack of cooperation with ICE and the federal government (including the notion of not willing to foot the cost of holding aliens--the subject of your post to which my post was mainly responding, and to which you avoided rebutting). And all of that "helps" to create "a" draw, not "the" draw.

You don't seem to understand the different implications between definite articles "a" and "the." "A draw" is different in meaning than "the draw." "A" draw signifies one among others. But "the" draw denotes that there is only one. There are other reasons why they come which are helped to be realized by a draw that I mentioned,

Nowhere did I say that sanctuary cities are "the" reason they come here. Nor, even, "a" reason. I said that if cities "are not concerned about illegal aliens, even large numbers of them, in their community. . . I assume creating a sanctuary city is a statement of exactly that." And I added later that sanctuary cities are a "bonus" (not the reason).

I could consider that you're being dishonest when you twist and misconstrue as you're doing here, and have done many times before. But I think you are an honest person. So I assume that you either don't pay strict attention to what I've said (sloppy reading), or that you just don't understand it.

That's why I often say your posts are incoherent or illogical.

Trumps brilliant idea to put out the cathedral fire was classic, how can we possibly question the plans coming out via Twitter from such a mind. I’m surprised he didn’t use that strategy on the dreaded caravan, he’d have put that Mexican fire out with just a couple passes.
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Trumps brilliant idea to put out the cathedral fire was classic, how can we possibly question the plans coming out via Twitter from such a mind. I’m surprised he didn’t use that strategy on the dreaded caravan, he’d have put that Mexican fire out with just a couple passes.
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You are correct. His Water Tankers tweet was beyond effing stupid.

You could say he Acted Stupidly

You are correct. His Water Tankers tweet was beyond effing stupid.

You could say he Acted Stupidly

And yet it had the desired effect on those who hang by his every tweet :hihi:
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Trumps brilliant idea to put out the cathedral fire was classic, how can we possibly question the plans coming out via Twitter from such a mind. I’m surprised he didn’t use that strategy on the dreaded caravan, he’d have put that Mexican fire out with just a couple passes.
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Twitter isn't policy or a plan ... its just Twitter
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And yet it had the desired effect on those who hang by his every tweet :hihi:
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I think many people were just waiting to see how he could 'eff it up...and in his brilliance he managed just that.

I think many people were just waiting to see how he could 'eff it up...and in his brilliance he managed just that.

were you expecting something different?

I think many people were just waiting to see how he could 'eff it up...and in his brilliance he managed just that.

"many people" are constantly just waiting to see how he can 'eff it up. TDS