as VP, Biden threatened to withhold
US aid to Ukraine, unless they canned a top
prosecutor Biden said was corrupt. this is not in dispute i don’t think.

Also not in dispute, is that his son Hunter Biden was, at the time, a highly paid employee of a Ukrainian energy company.

What Trump and Guliani are saying, is that at the time Biden demanded the prosecutor be canned, he was looking into impropriety at Hunter Biden’s Ukrainian energy company.

My my, what a funny turn of events. I can’t wait to see how it plays out.

You go after a guy like
Trump, and especially his
kid, you better
not miss, else retribution will be swift and severe.

trumps turn.

All I can say is thank god you’re not a moth.
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All I can say is thank god you’re not a moth.
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yes, that’s a great comeback.
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yes, that’s a great comeback.
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Jim, at this point it’s like you’re freebasing Trump’s talking points.
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Jim, at this point it’s like you’re freebasing Trump’s talking points.
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i called Trump a turd yesterday. That he’s a turd, doesn’t mean laws weren’t broken to keep him from winning.

In any event, we can’t all be as independent and middle-of-the-road as you are.

enjoy this investigation.
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enjoy this investigation.
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It’s not an investigation Jim, it’s a political stunt that is likely illegal.

The entire Western world was behind what Biden did. Again, do some #^&#^&#^&#^&ing homework.
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It’s not an investigation Jim, it’s a political stunt that is likely illegal.

The entire Western world was behind what Biden did. Again, do some #^&#^&#^&#^&ing homework.
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even if the prosecutor was corrupt, if his kid was
making money there, Biden might have let someone else make the threats. I had
no idea Hunter Biden was there.

well, as your side was
find of saying for the last few years, let’s doa thorough investigation, get to the facts, and see what’s what.


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It’s not an investigation Jim, it’s a political stunt that is likely illegal.

The entire Western world was behind what Biden did. Again, do some #^&#^&#^&#^&ing homework.
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i’m asking a sincere question here. did everyone who supported Biden know, that at the time he was pressuring ukraine to fire this guy, that Biden’s son was
making big money at a fishy Ukrainian energy company?

And if ( and this is a big if), Biden was in reality trying to keep this guy from investigating his son, wouldn’t that be the same
kind of obstruction you claim to be concerned about Trump doing?

Let’s investigate. if there’s nothing to it, Trump looks like an idiot before the election. If there is something to it ( also to stories that the obama administration worked with ukrainians to get dirt on the Trumps), isn’t that worth knowing? or are you finally admitting that you are only interested in uncovering wrongdoing done by Republicans.

As to your cursing, come on, no need to stop being a lady.
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that trump/russia collusion conspiracy theory was a good one :rotf3: some dummies are still pushing it

Have we already forgot Trump and his supporters. there is absolutely nothing wrong with asking a foreign Goverment to help with information against a domestic politician.

So surveillance is spying

But what trump and his people did and are doing isn't collusion?? Or will we ignore Webster on this

Collusion
secret or illegal cooperation or conspiracy, especially in order to cheat or deceive others.
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SEE WHAT I MEAN :rotf2:

You guys need to get a hobby
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SEE WHAT I MEAN :rotf2:

now that you
mention it...
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So surveillance is spying

But what trump and his people did and are doing isn't collusion?? Or will we ignore Webster on this


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collusion, maybe. a crime? apparently not.

i’m not ignoring Webster. I’m going by the mueller report, which for two years i was told would
be the definitive say. i was fine with that either way.

Now there be another investigation, into the origins of the Trump investigation. I’m also willing to stand by whatever those results are.

Why is that unfair?
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bitter clingers.....:bl:

collusion, maybe. a crime? apparently not.

i’m not ignoring Webster. I’m going by the mueller report, which for two years i was told would
be the definitive say. i was fine with that either way.

Now there be another investigation, into the origins of the Trump investigation. I’m also willing to stand by whatever those results are.

Why is that unfair?
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So your in the camp of asking foriegn governments for dirt on political opponents is Fine and acceptable

It's a yes or no question

I. Personally do not find it acceptable. Under any circumstance
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So your in the camp of asking foriegn governments for dirt on political opponents is Fine and acceptable

It's a yes or no question

I. Personally do not find it acceptable. Under any circumstance
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well if its unacceptable, know that part of trumps investigation, will be to see whether or
not ( as had been alleged) the clinton and obama
teams worked with ukrainian officials to get dirt on trump.

hilary’s campaign paid a foreigner to produce the Steele dossier. we’re you upset by that? or is it o my problematic when republicans work with foreigners to get dirt on opponents?
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i didn’t answer your question. if the “dirt” is true, i’m

ore
concerned
about the dirt, then i am with how it was obtained. but no, i can’t say i like foreigners being involved this way. but until
there’s a law against it, i don’t think it should disqualify a candidate.
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Lindsey Graham Thought different
https://youtu.be/sdiVn3lQDgU
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about the dirt, then i am with how it was obtained. but no, i can’t say i like foreigners being involved this way. but until
there’s a law against it, i don’t think it should disqualify a candidate.
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democrats are ok with their supporters offering thousands/millions of dollars for dirt on their opponents from any source...gimme a break....these people are hilarious and shameless.....there is no LOW where the democrats won't go....it's amusing to watch them whine about their opponents:uhuh:

So that's a yes its acceptable for Republicans and Democrats to seek help from a foreign government to get dirt on political rivals..

And again the usual suspects once again try to say getting money from supporters is no different then getting info from foreign governments..

It's sad to see what MAGA means to some and what they are willing to accept to keep their seat at the Table ..
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So that's a yes its acceptable for Republicans and Democrats to seek help from a foreign government to get dirt on political rivals..


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yes...what's good for the ass is good for the elephant....we are all citizens of the world after all......

it is hilarious watching you guys trying to compare Christopher Steele to the ukrainians and justify this by saying it's the same. Also funny to hear Trump claim for 2 years he would never work with a foreign adversary yet he sent his henchmen Giuliani to go talk to the ukrainians to get help against a political rival.
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it is hilarious watching you guys trying to compare Christopher Steele to the ukrainians and justify this by saying it's the same. Also funny to hear Trump claim for 2 years he would never work with a foreign adversary yet he sent his henchmen Giuliani to go talk to the ukrainians to get help against a political rival.
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when did the ukranians become a foreign adversary?

I'm looking forward to trump weaponizing the irs and doj to cause a little havoc among the all-star line up democrat hopefuls :bounce:

I'm looking forward to trump weaponizing the irs and doj to cause a little havoc among the all-star line up democrat hopefuls :bounce:

When did you start hating the country that much that you thought this was acceptable?
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When did you start hating the country that much that you thought this was acceptable?
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since Obama did it :rude:

I don't hate the country...I love fair play

Can you give me some links to those stories?
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Can you give me some links to those stories?
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I'm sure there are plenty of links in the archives if you do a search


so can you provide some links regarding Ukrainians being foreign adversaries?...


maybe this is what you were referring to?

POLITICO
"Ukrainian government officials tried to help Hillary Clinton and undermine Trump by publicly questioning his fitness for office. They also disseminated documents implicating a top Trump aide in corruption and suggested they were investigating the matter, only to back away after the election. And they helped Clinton’s allies research damaging information on Trump and his advisers, a Politico investigation found.

A Ukrainian-American operative who was consulting for the Democratic National Committee met with top officials in the Ukrainian Embassy in Washington in an effort to expose ties between Trump, top campaign aide Paul Manafort and Russia, according to people with direct knowledge of the situation."

since we now know there was no collusion with Russia....good grief ??? I think we need a Special Counsel Investigation

Meanwhile at the DNC headquarters....

https://youtu.be/-nc7AjLhETw
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I'm sure there are plenty of links in the archives if you do a search


so can you provide some links regarding Ukrainians being advisories

You seem to be more focused on the use of the word adversaries rather than the fact that Trump and his allies spent more than half of his term denying that he conspired with Russia and yet he immediately sent Giuliani to the Ukraine to dig up dirt on a political opponent.

There's never been any proof that shows Obama weaponized the doj or the IRS or that he put anyone up to any of the stupid things or mistakes that either of those did.
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Originally Posted by scottw View Post
I'm sure there are plenty of links in the archives if you do a search


so can you provide some links regarding Ukrainians being advisories


You seem to be more focused on the use of the word adversaries rather than the fact that Trump and his allies spent more than half of his term denying that he conspired with Russia and yet he immediately sent Giuliani to the Ukraine to dig up dirt on a political opponent.

There's never been any proof that shows Obama weaponized the doj or the IRS or that he put anyone up to any of the stupid things or mistakes that either of those did.
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hey... how did you include my post in your reply and misspell what I wrote?....that's a new one :rtfm:

There's never been any proof that shows Obama weaponized the doj or the IRS or that he put anyone up to any of the stupid things or mistakes that either of those did.
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investigations are underway...stay tuned :uhuh:

It’s gonna be yuge
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You seem to be more focused on the use of the word adversaries rather than the fact that Trump and his allies spent more than half of his term denying that he conspired with Russia and yet he immediately sent Giuliani to the Ukraine to dig up dirt on a political opponent.

There's never been any proof that shows Obama weaponized the doj or the IRS or that he put anyone up to any of the stupid things or mistakes that either of those did.
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those stupid things happened on his watch. Bush didn’t cause the crash of 2008, but the entire
media said he did, to help obama.

it is an interesting question, how responsible is a potus for what happens on his watch? i don’t know what the answer is, but i know the answer should be the same regardless of party.

did obama appoint comey?
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If the Pres. appoints someone then generally I think they should be held accountable for that appointment - in most circumstances. If the person had been arrested for financial fraud and they later pad their expense acct. gave their friend insider info, etc., then the Pres. should be accountable. If it is a political appointment and the person is not qualified and later does a lousy job, it is on the Pres. etc. and that should go for both parties.

If the Pres. appoints someone then generally I think they should be held accountable for that appointment - in most circumstances. except when? If the person had been arrested for financial fraud who was the last appointee... that had previously been arrested? oh wait...Van Jones?and they later pad their expense acct. gave their friend insider info, etc., then the Pres. should be accountable. if they were previously arrested and don't do these things are they OK?If it is a political appointment and the person is not qualified and later does a lousy job, it is on the Pres. etc. and that should go for both parties. this happens ALL THE TIME

can you explain this? I read it three times and...it doesn't make much sense :hs:

can you explain this? I read it three times and...it doesn't make much sense :hs:

Stop being a #^&#^&#^&#^&.

Shocker
Another insult from paulS
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Shocker
Another insult from paulS
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Shocker another post by Sea Dangles that adds nothing to the forum.
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Shocker another post by Sea Dangles that adds nothing to the forum.
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I still love you :wavey:

I still love you :wavey:

👍♥️
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Shocker another post by Sea Dangles that adds nothing to the forum.
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What does this add to the forum?
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What does this add to the forum?
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Nothing at all. I'm just responding to your constant insults in kind. You haven't figured that out?
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Nothing at all. I'm just responding to your constant insults in kind. You haven't figured that out?
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Yet you criticize the same action,hmm. If you need a hug I am here for you.
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Yet you criticize the same action,hmm. If you need a hug I am here for you.
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Yours is the action mine is the reaction. As I said I'm just responding to your constant insults in kind.
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Yours is the action mine is the reaction. As I said I'm just responding to your constant insults in kind.
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I would love to take you fishing if you ever are near Westport MA.
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From a boat I'm like a fish out of water. Love fishing Gooseberry from shore though.

From a boat I'm like a fish out of water. Love fishing Gooseberry from shore though.

I don't know why the boat guys get mad when I wear my Korkers on board :fishin:

From a boat I'm like a fish out of water. Love fishing Gooseberry from shore though.

Wow,I call you out and that is your excuse. How the mighty have fallen.
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pretty much none of my fish this year have been mighty. Gonna try for weakfish tonight.

I don't know why the boat guys get mad when I wear my Korkers on board :fishin:

Thats why I don't invite you....