I’m still not sure I believe he said this, but there’s a video. If this is what it sounds like, he’s a lot worse than I thought he was. Al Gore
promised that people
like Christopher Reeves would walk if he got elected. that’s really ghoulish.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/joe-biden-cure-cancer-president?fbclid=IwAR0VMa1JboGPOKa8YDpsChL3zBxvtH9 6FTedMY3o1bFYXvUFiMOsqTdTPN0

Legalize weed federally !
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i’d rather he promised that, because he can deliver on that. promising desperate cancer patients that their lives depend on him getting elected, is ghoulish.
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Trump said we would be tired of winning. When is that going to happen.

Trump said we would be tired of winning. When is that going to happen.

is that really the same thing? you’re better than that. He’s telling desperately sick people
that voting for him will result in their
being cured. He’s promising to save their lives, but only if he gets elected. Come on!

and you went right to trump, which is fine, but you can’t them make fun of others for responding to trump criticism by pointing to obama.
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is that really the same thing? you’re better than that.

and you went right to trump, which is fine, but you can’t them make fun of others for responding to trump criticism by pointing to obama.
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It is a goal - something to shoot for. Not the outright lies we hear on a daily (almost hourly?) basis from Trump.

Trump is our President. Obama isn't. H. Clinton is a nobody now yet how many times is she mentioned here?

It is a goal - something to shoot for. Not the outright lies we hear on a daily (almost hourly?) basis from Trump.

Trump is our President. Obama isn't. H. Clinton is a nobody now yet how many times is she mentioned here?

no it’s not a goal. He promised a cure, and the delivery of the cure, depends on his winning.

You blew that one, Paul, that was disappointing. That was a spence answer.
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no it’s not a goal. He promised a cure, and the delivery of the cure, depends on his winning.

You blew that one, Paul, that was disappointing. That was a spence answer.
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Ok Jim.

You do know his son died of cancer?
Meanwhile the current reality TV show President claimed:
"Nobody but Donald Trump will save Israel"
"Nobody knows jobs like I do!"
"Nobody understands politicians like I do"
"Nobody beats me on National Security"
"Nobody would fight harder for free speech than me"
"Nobody will protect our Nation like Donald J. Trump"
"Nobody more against ObamaCare than me"
"Nobody has more respect for women than Donald Trump!"
"No-one has done more for people with disabilities than me"
Illegal immigration "Our Southern border is unsecure. I am the only one that can fix it"
Illegal immigration "Such a big problem for our country-I will solve"
Infrastructure "The only one to fix the infrastructure of our country is me"
Infrastructure "I am the only one that knows how to build cities"
Infrastructure "all falling apart. I can fix for 20% of pols, & better"
ISIS "ISIS is still running around wild. I can fix it fast"
ISIS "5000 ISIS fighters have infiltrated Europe. Also, many in U.S. I TOLD YOU SO! I alone can fix this problem!"
Jobs "I am the only presidential candidate who will bring jobs back to the U.S.and protect car industry!"
Jobs "I will bring our jobs back to the U.S., and keep our companies from leaving. Nobody else can do it."
Making America great "I am the only one who can Make America Great Again"
Making America great "If I run, and if I win, our country will be great again."
Moving jobs to Mexico "I am the only one who can fix this. Very sad."
Obamacare "We will immediately repeal and replace ObamaCare - and nobody can do that like me"
Slow GDP "I TOLD YOU SO! Only I can fix"
Social Security "I am going to save Social Security without any cuts. I know where to get the money from. Nobody else does."
Tax laws "I know our complex tax laws better than anyone who has ever run for president and am the only one who can fix them."
Terrorism "At least 67 dead,400 injured. I alone can solve"
Terrorism "TIME FOR A CHANGE, I WILL SOLVE - AND FAST!"
Tough calls "Govt. collapsing in Iraq...Sadly, I called this one and please remember, I alone called it.
Veterans Affairs "I will fix VA quickly."
Why are people upset w/ me over Pres Obama’s birth certificate? I got him to release it, or whatever it was, when nobody else could!"

i’d rather he promised that, because he can deliver on that. promising desperate cancer patients that their lives depend on him getting elected, is ghoulish.
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Agreed 100%
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You do know his son died of cancer?
Meanwhile the current reality TV show President claimed:
"Nobody but Donald Trump will save Israel"
"Nobody knows jobs like I do!"
"Nobody understands politicians like I do"
"Nobody beats me on National Security"
"Nobody would fight harder for free speech than me"
"Nobody will protect our Nation like Donald J. Trump"
"Nobody more against ObamaCare than me"
"Nobody has more respect for women than Donald Trump!"
"No-one has done more for people with disabilities than me"
Illegal immigration "Our Southern border is unsecure. I am the only one that can fix it"
Illegal immigration "Such a big problem for our country-I will solve"
Infrastructure "The only one to fix the infrastructure of our country is me"
Infrastructure "I am the only one that knows how to build cities"
Infrastructure "all falling apart. I can fix for 20% of pols, & better"
ISIS "ISIS is still running around wild. I can fix it fast"
ISIS "5000 ISIS fighters have infiltrated Europe. Also, many in U.S. I TOLD YOU SO! I alone can fix this problem!"
Jobs "I am the only presidential candidate who will bring jobs back to the U.S.and protect car industry!"
Jobs "I will bring our jobs back to the U.S., and keep our companies from leaving. Nobody else can do it."
Making America great "I am the only one who can Make America Great Again"
Making America great "If I run, and if I win, our country will be great again."
Moving jobs to Mexico "I am the only one who can fix this. Very sad."
Obamacare "We will immediately repeal and replace ObamaCare - and nobody can do that like me"
Slow GDP "I TOLD YOU SO! Only I can fix"
Social Security "I am going to save Social Security without any cuts. I know where to get the money from. Nobody else does."
Tax laws "I know our complex tax laws better than anyone who has ever run for president and am the only one who can fix them."
Terrorism "At least 67 dead,400 injured. I alone can solve"
Terrorism "TIME FOR A CHANGE, I WILL SOLVE - AND FAST!"
Tough calls "Govt. collapsing in Iraq...Sadly, I called this one and please remember, I alone called it.
Veterans Affairs "I will fix VA quickly."
Why are people upset w/ me over Pres Obama’s birth certificate? I got him to release it, or whatever it was, when nobody else could!"

i know his son died of cancer, which is why he should
know better than to make this promise. he promised that if he wins, we will cure cancer.

he knows how desperate people are in this situation, and he’s trying to exploit that to win an election.

i’m concerned about border security, and that's why i’m unhappy trump lied about building a wall. that’s not anywhere near the same thing, as telling desperate parents who have children battling cancer and fighting for their lives, that voting for him will cure their children. Not even close to the same.
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i know his son died of cancer, which is why he should
know better than to make this promise. he promised that if he wins, we will cure cancer.

he knows how desperate people are in this situation, and he’s trying to exploit that to win an election.

i’m concerned about border security, and that's why i’m unhappy trump lied about building a wall. that’s not anywhere near the same thing, as telling desperate parents who have children battling cancer and fighting for their lives, that voting for him will cure their children. Not even close to the same.
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Pile on about a bad choice of words.
Perhaps you could quantify how many desperate people's votes, not just parents who have children battling cancer and fighting for their lives, this will get Biden, since you claim that is his objective. Keep in mind that he knows exactly how they feel.
More than 1.75 million people will be diagnosed and 600 thousand people will die this year from cancer and because of research, cancer deaths have decreased by 2% a year over the past decade.
If we doubled the amount spent per year from less than 5 billion a year, would it make a difference?
Probably important and more likely to effect a lot more people than the possibility of being killed by an illegal immigrant, but you're willing to spend much more for that.
And likely tomorrow Trump will say he's the only one who can cure cancer, because nobody knows cancer like Trump.

Pile on about a bad choice of words.
Perhaps you could quantify how many desperate people's votes, not just parents who have children battling cancer and fighting for their lives, this will get Biden, since you claim that is his objective. Keep in mind that he knows exactly how they feel.
More than 1.75 million people will be diagnosed and 600 thousand people will die this year from cancer and because of research, cancer deaths have decreased by 2% a year over the past decade.
If we doubled the amount spent per year from less than 5 billion a year, would it make a difference?
Probably important and more likely to effect a lot more people than the possibility of being killed by an illegal immigrant, but you're willing to spend much more for that.
And likely tomorrow Trump will say he's the only one who can cure cancer, because nobody knows cancer like Trump.

"Pile on about a bad choice of words"

I believe you are the one piling on in this thread, I'm being more succinct.

"since you claim that is his objective"

Oh give me an effing break, what other possible objective could he have had? "Vote for me, and we'll have a cure for cancer". He's not saying that to get votes? At a campaign rally in Iowa?

If you're that irrational, we can stop. You can't criticize the left, can't compliment the right.

If you're that irrational, we can stop. You can't criticize the left, can't compliment the right.

And your being irrational given we have a party who constantly ignores the Pres. 0000s of outright lies and focusing on what a candidate says.

And your being irrational given we have a party who constantly ignores the Pres. 0000s of outright lies and focusing on what a candidate says.

What am I doing that's irrational, exactly? In this thread, I said Trump deserves criticism for failing to deliver on the wall, and I criticized Biden for this putrid exploitative statement. I'm one of the few here who don't support my party every single time, not even close. Pete is saying Biden wasn't trying to get votes when he said it? IF I'm elected, we'll cure cancer? The cure hinges on his winning the election, and that's not an attempt to get votes? You tell me, Paul, what his intent was, if not to get votes. I'm all ears...

When Al Gore promised that people with spinal injuries would walk again if he was elected, he was slammed. This is worse to me, because you're talking about people who are dying. Maybe I'm being too sensitive, but it sounds repulsive to me...

"Pile on about a bad choice of words"

I believe you are the one piling on in this thread, I'm being more succinct.

"since you claim that is his objective"

Oh give me an effing break, what other possible objective could he have had? "Vote for me, and we'll have a cure for cancer". He's not saying that to get votes? At a campaign rally in Iowa?

If you're that irrational, we can stop. You can't criticize the left, can't compliment the right.

Can't do it, can you?
Trump has done some things
First President to conceal his High School and College grades.
First President to defeat a female major party candidate in the Electoral College.
First President to be elected with the help of a foreign power.
First President to reach the age of 70 prior to his election to the presidency.
First golfing President to never play golf at a military course.
First President to assume the office without having had any prior public service experience, military or political.
First President to claim to be a stable genius.
First President to have an Orthodox Jewish Rabbi give a benediction at his inauguration.
First President to claim to be a billionaire prior to assuming office.
First President to have been divorced more than once.
First President to marry three times.
First President to call the Press the enemy of the people.
First President to have a Jewish member of his first family (Ivanka Trump).
First President to not have a pet.
First President to have children from three different wives.
First President to have a wife who posed nude.
First President to have a female campaign manager (Kellyanne Conway).
First President to spend more than 100 million to play golf.
First President to appoint an Indian-American to a Cabinet-level position (Nikki Haley).
First President to begin tenure with a net negative approval rating in the history of modern political polling.
First President to voice support for same-sex marriage before taking office.
First President to have a wife born in a Communist country.
First President to meet with a Supreme Leader of North Korea (Kim Jong-un) while in office.
First President to lie more times daily than most people wash their hands (12x vs 10x).
First President to meet with two emperors of Japan while in office, Emperor Akihito & Emperor Naruhito.

What am I doing that's irrational, exactly? In this thread, I said Trump deserves criticism for failing to deliver on the wall, and I criticized Biden for this putrid exploitative statement. I'm one of the few here who don't support my party every single time, not even close. Pete is saying Biden wasn't trying to get votes when he said it? IF I'm elected, we'll cure cancer? The cure hinges on his winning the election, and that's not an attempt to get votes? You tell me, Paul, what his intent was, if not to get votes. I'm all ears...

When Al Gore promised that people with spinal injuries would walk again if he was elected, he was slammed. This is worse to me, because you're talking about people who are dying. Maybe I'm being too sensitive, but it sounds repulsive to me...

They both were stating goals - aspirations, hopes. Most people understand that he alone can't cure cancer and don't view the statement as lies. If Biden is elected and proposes a big increase in funding for cancer research most people will say that he tried. If he doesn't propose a big increase, people will rightly say he lied. That is what Trump did/does - say one thing and doesn't follow up, etc. - outright lies. That is the irrational part.

Actually what Trump does is says one thing, can't achieve it and then claims victory.
Then the Reality TV President, the Trumplicans and Jim say "Hooray for Trump".
In the era of Donald Trump, it is sometimes easy to forget that the purpose of government is governance, not entertainment.

They both were stating goals - aspirations, hopes. .

If you believe he was stating a goal/aspiration/hope, that means you see no difference between these two sentences...

(1) it is my hope that we can cure cancer

(2) give me what I want, and I promise there will be a cure for cancer.

He used the words "I promise".

I promise you if I'm elected president, you're going to see the single most important thing that changes America, we're gonna cure cancer

He promised a cure for cancer, and the delivery of that cure is contingent upon whether or not he's elected.

"Can't do it, can you?"

Can't do what, criticize Trump? Can and have.

Can you say something positive about Trump, or critical of Biden's statement? Nope. So who is the partisan hack here?

the Trumplicans and Jim say "Hooray for Trump".
In the era of Donald Trump, it is sometimes easy to forget that the purpose of government is governance, not entertainment.

" the Trumplicans and Jim say "Hooray for Trump".

I've called him a morally bankrupt scumbag, at least 50 times on these threads, and you know it. So you're lying.

"purpose of government is governance, not entertainment"

Agreed, and I hate the entertainment aspect of his presidency, I dislike it more than you do, because my disdain is genuine and not partisan.

I like much (not all) of his governance - I love the judges he's appointing (one of his most important duties), love the tax cuts, love the stock market, love the low unemployment especially for minorities, love the GDP growth, love the wage growth, love that he's adding more manufacturing jobs than Obama did in his last two years, love that Mexico is sending troops to its southern border. I don't like the deficits, I don't like that he didn't build a wall when the GOP controlled Congress.

I hate the outlandish things he says and does. I can criticize the guy on my side for being a jerk. You can't do the same.

Why is this thread?
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Promising a cure is beyond stupid, promising to insure research is ramped up, would have been more appropriate.
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" the Trumplicans and Jim say "Hooray for Trump".

I've called him a morally bankrupt scumbag, at least 50 times on these threads, and you know it. So you're lying.

"purpose of government is governance, not entertainment"

Agreed, and I hate the entertainment aspect of his presidency, I dislike it more than you do, because my disdain is genuine and not partisan.

I like much (not all) of his governance - I love the judges he's appointing (one of his most important duties), love the tax cuts, love the stock market, love the low unemployment especially for minorities, love the GDP growth, love the wage growth, love that he's adding more manufacturing jobs than Obama did in his last two years, love that Mexico is sending troops to its southern border. I don't like the deficits, I don't like that he didn't build a wall when the GOP controlled Congress.

I hate the outlandish things he says and does. I can criticize the guy on my side for being a jerk. You can't do the same.
Actually what Trump does is says one thing, can't achieve it and then claims victory.
You’re still confused about what side I’m on.
We’ll pay the price for a long time for Trump’s destruction of the Republican Party.
Just now he’s said he’ll take aid from foreign powers again to get elected, he doesn’t have to tell the FBI.
Somehow it would be Ok if it came thru Norway and the FBI director is wrong in saying you need to report it.
Keep believing Jim, there’s no consequences for his actions because you think you got something.
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Trump 2020, the president you all deserve.
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I wonder if Biden will promise to cure creepy old men groping women and little girls...if you want to be amused watch his interview on THE VIEW when he turns into a puddle before the dingbats

Trump said we would be tired of winning. When is that going to happen.

he wasn't talking about democrats :bl:

Most people understand that he alone can't cure cancer and don't view the statement as lies.

"I've worked so hard in my career, that I promise you, if I'm elected president you're gonna see single most important thing that changes America, we're gonna cure cancer," Biden said to applause.

If the Republicans believed in higher education they probably.understand what he meant.

For two years the Republicans have been saying that you shouldn't listen to Trump's words but rather what he means. Another instance of the Republican hypocrisy.
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If the Republicans believed in higher education they probably.understand what he meant.

For two years the Republicans have been saying that you shouldn't listen to Trump's words but rather what he means. Another instance of the Republican hypocrisy.
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republicans don't believe in higher education?

Why is this thread?
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PeteF is attempting to be a stable genius again.
Just a guy with nothing to do,and all day to do it.
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republicans don't believe in higher education?

Just more stupid.
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republicans don't believe in higher education?

They certainly criticize colleges constantly and the further right a school is generally it is not as good as a left leaning school.

Just more stupid.
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As usual, nothing to add says the snowflake who couldn't take the things people on this forum said about Trump so decided to start posting here.

They certainly criticize colleges constantly and the further right a school is generally it is not as good as a left leaning school.

which means republicans don't believe in higher education??

As usual, nothing to add says the snowflake who couldn't take the things people on this forum said about Trump so decided to start posting here.

I call it like I see it, sorry. Keep posting, it is always entertaining.
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Why is this thread?
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because some people would say that giving false hope to desperately sick people
for your own gain, is unethical. clearly you’re ok with it, at least when a democrat does it.
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They certainly criticize colleges constantly and the further right a school is generally it is not as good as a left leaning school.

Did you ever ask yourself if a lot of it is deserved? College campuses have been losing there minds the past few years.

I call it like I see it, sorry. Keep posting, it is always entertaining.
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Your posts always are entertaining also. In a shake my head way.

which means republicans don't believe in higher education??

They certainly don't support higher education to the same extent as the Dems. do.

he wasn't talking about democrats :bl:

Pow!!! Right in the kisser!
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They certainly don't support higher education to the same extent as the Dems. do.

evidence please?

we don’t enthusiastically endorse waste or indoctrination. education, yes.

which side opposes school
choice, can you remind me, i forgot?

to democrats, “supporting education” means giving more
money to teachers unions, so that much of that money will
get donated to democratic political campaigns. But it doesn’t necessarily improve the quality of the education being offered.

Spending more, isn’t necessarily the same thing, as supporting education.
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evidence please?look at where the majority of the great schools are - left leaning states.

we don’t enthusiastically endorse waste or indoctrination. education, yes.

which side opposes school
choice, can you remind me, i forgot? You mean segregationist schools? That is not supporting education, that is trying to take $ from public schools.

to democrats, “supporting education” means giving more
money to teachers unions, so that much of that money will
get donated to democratic political campaigns. But it doesn’t necessarily improve the quality of the education being offered.

Spending more, isn’t necessarily the same thing, as supporting education.
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Your right spending more isn't necessarily the same thing as supporting education but it is a very good proxy.

Did you ever ask yourself if a lot of it is deserved? College campuses have been losing there minds the past few years.

It is bc conservatives don't like science and the schools piss conserv. off bc of that? Conserv. didn't support colleges as much as liberals far longer than the past few years.

They certainly don't support higher education to the same extent as the Dems. do.




I'm not sure Harvard's School of West Sri-Lankan Genderfluid Archeology Department is higher education than Perdue's Aerospace Engineering program.

*Some* of higher ed's famed institutions have jumped the rails reality.

Harvard's School of West Sri-Lankan Genderfluid Archeology Department

I was thinking of auditing one of their courses :hihi:

They certainly don't support higher education to the same extent as the Dems. do.

this is just dumb

It is bc conservatives don't like science and the schools piss conserv. off bc of that? Conserv. didn't support colleges as much as liberals far longer than the past few years.

Funny, my daughter just graduated from a Southern Baptist (Assuming they lean right), University, that's located in a "Red State", with a degree in BioChemistry (I think that qualifies as a science)

Your right spending more isn't necessarily the same thing as supporting education but it is a very good proxy.

the best schools are private schools. i’m not sure that because they happen to be located in states that today are liberal, means anything. some
of them are hundreds of years old, so i’m not sure todays political climate in those states, is why those schools were built there. but that’s what you are suggesting?

show me the evidence that spending is any kind of proxy. Here in CT, we spend
more than 14k per kid in my town ( southington). schools are pretty good. the catholic school
costs 5k per year, and has much higher test scores.

there is almost zero correlation between spending and student performance. student performance is largely determined in the home. i was a public schoolteacher for a brief time, i come from a family of
many public schoolteachers. money has almost nothing to do with it, especially when 90% of
an education budget goes to teachers salaries, healthcare, and pensions. Students don’t know or care about that stuff. that does almost nothing to improve test scores.
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I love science

this is just dumb

Are you channeling your inner SD?

It is bc conservatives don't like science and the schools piss conserv. off bc of that? Conserv. didn't support colleges as much as liberals far longer than the past few years.

conservatives don’t like
engineering and
medicine? gimme a break...you’re
making stuff up out of thin air.

conservatives are probably resisting the science of climate change for political reasons, just as liberals deny the science of unborn baby development in pursuit of their own political agenda. both sides play dumb when it suits them.
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this is just dumb

Proving it to those who don’t pay attention. Not a bright bulb here.
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Don't you think that has something to do with being able to accept who they want, put certain requirements on the students/parents, charge tuition (or more tuition) which limits the pool to a certain type of people and not have to educate every student - even those who aren't invested in their education?

Proving it to those who don’t pay attention. Not a bright bulb here.
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As usual, nothing intelligent to add. Any time you want to compare education or income, let me know :)

It must be a struggle in your daily life.

Any time you want to compare education or income, let me know :)



ohhhh....gloves off!

Are you channeling your inner SD?

just being honest

just being honest

but you sound so snarky and really are not adding anything other than what seems like an attempt to annoy. Not one of them is a good quality.

ohhhh....gloves off!

Why should I take anything from a troll?

but you sound so snarky

you really need to expand your vocabulary

Don't you think that has something to do with being able to accept who they want, put certain requirements on the students/parents, charge tuition (or more tuition) which limits the pool to a certain type of people and not have to educate every student - even those who aren't invested in their education?

yes it has something to
do with that.

but spending money isn’t always the answer. if i’m a teacher at a crappy school
in hartford, and next year i get a fat raise and cheaper health insurance, how does that help my students perform better? because i’m any municipal education budget, that’s where all the money goes. because the unions control the politicians, at least here in CT. when you have to cut things like art and music, and lay-off non tenured teachers to satisfy union contracts, i don’t see how that helps students. do you?
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you really need to expand your vocabulary

Why use a different word every time to describe the same actions?

conservatives don’t like
engineering and
medicine? gimme a break...you’re
making stuff up out of thin air.

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UNC Programs - State School in a Red State

https://catalog.unc.edu/undergraduate/programs-study/

University of Alabama Programs - State School in a Red State

https://catalog.ua.edu/programs/

LSU Programs - State School in a Red State

https://www.lsu.edu/majors/a-z.php

University of Arkansas - State School in a Red State

https://fulbright.uark.edu/academics/majors-and-programs.php

Looks like plenty of STEM options to me.

yes it has something to
do with that.

but spending money isn’t always the answer. if i’m a teacher at a crappy school
in hartford, and next year i get a fat raise and cheaper health insurance, how does that help my students perform better? because i’m any municipal education budget, that’s where all the money goes. because the unions control the politicians, at least here in CT. when you have to cut things like art and music, and lay-off non tenured teachers to satisfy union contracts, i don’t see how that helps students. do you?
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I agree $ isn't the always the answer and with your example it may not help the students. However, if you can attract better teachers bc of higher pay/benefits that would benefit the students. There are many states that don't fund the teacher salaries adequately and that was reflected in the strikes last year. Some of the teachers were making like $35K and hadn't had raises in a few years.

As usual, nothing intelligent to add. Any time you want to compare education or income, let me know :)

It must be a struggle in your daily life.

I would be happy to compare. Will I need to provide tax returns?
No need to lash out at me just for calling you out after another thoughtless post Paul.
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Funny, my daughter just graduated from a Southern Baptist (Assuming they lean right), University, that's located in a "Red State", with a degree in BioChemistry (I think that qualifies as a science)

Don’t confuse the poor fellow this way. Where is the link?🤡
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I agree $ isn't the always the answer and with your example it may not help the students. However, if you can attract better teachers bc of higher pay/benefits that would benefit the students. There are many states that don't fund the teacher salaries adequately and that was reflected in the strikes last year. Some of the teachers were making like $35K and hadn't had raises in a few years.

I used to laugh at teachers who used to say, when contracts were being negotiated, that the reason the students weren't doing well was because teacher's salaries were too low. So what did that mean--if they got pay raises, they would do better? If the salaries went up to meet their demands, then they would do better? Or did it mean that they were not good teachers and that good teachers did not take the job because it didn't pay enough? So, did it mean that, if the administration raised the salaries adequately, they would fire all the teachers and hire good ones that would sign on for the better pay?

No, it would not mean that. It would mean that the same teachers that were in place, and supposedly not good, would all get pay raises. And nothing would change except they'd get paid more for continuing to do what they had been doing.

Or, maybe I'm wrong, and a pay raise would be like a magic wand and make the bad teachers into good ones.

I would be happy to compare. Will I need to provide tax returns?
No need to lash out at me just for calling you out after another thoughtless post Paul.
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We can compare anything you want. You just rarely show any intelligence. It is usually just snide comments and insults without ever trying to add anything to the discussion. I'm not sure if it due to a feeling of inferiority or what. I'm not lashing out, I'm just responding to your constant insults in this forum. Why should I take your constant childish insults?

maybe I'm wrong, and a pay raise would be like a magic wand and make the bad teachers into good ones.

I don't think it would work like a magic wand but it would bring in a different group of candidates and you might not have to settle for some of those that are hired bc there were no better candidate. Maybe it might incent some of the bad teachers to do better.

You can't teach those who don't want to learn.

Teachers arent the problem

We can compare anything you want. You just rarely show any intelligence. It is usually just snide comments and insults without ever trying to add anything to the discussion. I'm not sure if it due to a feeling of inferiority or what. I'm not lashing out, I'm just responding to your constant insults in this forum. Why should I take your constant childish insults?

If you apologize for your stupidity I will consider backing off. Otherwise, continue saying dumb stuff and get called out.
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I agree $ isn't the always the answer and with your example it may not help the students. However, if you can attract better teachers bc of higher pay/benefits that would benefit the students. There are many states that don't fund the teacher salaries adequately and that was reflected in the strikes last year. Some of the teachers were making like $35K and hadn't had raises in a few years.

we’re having decent dialogue here. there’s something to be said for better pay attracting better teachers, but again, i point you to catholic schools, where teachers are almost literally paid in dirt, yet those schools get world
class teachers. teaching is a calling, if
you offer too many perks ( great benefits, insane time off) you get people
who go into teaching for that reason, and that’s not good.

i’ve seen this from every angle. and i'm willing to bet you believe that i want what’s best for all kids, not just my kids. i’ve been a student in public and catholic school, i’ve taught in public and catholic school, i’ve been a parent of
kids in public and catholic school. Money has very little to do with it, and another truth is this, liberals
do a terrible, terrible job of spending that money. way too much money is diverted away from things that actually help
kids learn, way too much money goes to salary and benefits, which does almost nothing for students.

here’s the fix. make teacher retirement and healthcare benefits exactly equal to the average of what’s available to white collar professionals in the private sector. that will save a ton. use that savings to hire more teachers, which reduces class size, because that IS correlated with student performance. Also, there is no sane argument against school
choice. And since all that really matters is what’s going on at home, we need to do more to encourage strong, stable, close nuclear families, because that is by far, the biggest driver of student performance, nothing else even comes close. the older i get, the
more certain i am that this is almost all that matters. without it, almost nothing else works.

i do appreciate the challenging questions, and the respect with which you asked them.
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If you apologize for your stupidity I will consider backing off. Otherwise, continue saying dumb stuff and get called out.
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Why would I apologize for pushing back on a troll?

Maybe you should go back to commenting on a fellow posters son's college choice and saying it was budget shopping or some other classless insult.

I would be happy to compare. Will I need to provide tax returns?
No need to lash out at me just for calling you out after another thoughtless post Paul.
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We can compare anything you want. You just rarely show any intelligence. It is usually just snide comments and insults without ever trying to add anything to the discussion. I'm not sure if it due to a feeling of inferiority or what. I'm not lashing out, I'm just responding to your constant insults in this forum. Why should I take your constant childish insults?


This...

we’re having decent dialogue here. there’s something to be said for better pay attracting better teachers, but again, i point you to catholic schools, where teachers are almost literally paid in dirt, yet those schools get world
class teachers. teaching is a calling, if
you offer too many perks ( great benefits, insane time off) you get people
who go into teaching for that reason, and that’s not good.I went to a Catholic HS and agree the teachers were good. I wouldn't necessarily say they were better than the ones in my Freshman year HS. But I think the difference comes down to the students choice. I saw the HS kicked kids out (prob. deservedly) while the public HS would be stuck w/those kids after a suspension.

i’ve seen this from every angle. and i'm willing to bet you believe that i want what’s best for all kids, not just my kids.I agree with that. We should want all kids to be successful in whatever they do. i’ve been a student in public and catholic school, i’ve taught in public and catholic school, i’ve been a parent of
kids in public and catholic school. Money has very little to do with it, and another truth is this, liberals
do a terrible, terrible job of spending that money. way too much money is diverted away from things that actually help
kids learn, way too much money goes to salary and benefits, which does almost nothing for students.

here’s the fix. make teacher retirement and healthcare benefits exactly equal to the average of what’s available to white collar professionals in the private sector. that will save a ton. use that savings to hire more teachers, which reduces class size, because that IS correlated with student performance. But I don't think they are paid as well as other white collar professionals - that is the gist of my argument. Also, there is no sane argument against school
choice. My argument against vouchers (you didn't say vouchers) is that it skims off the cream of the cropAnd since all that really matters is what’s going on at home, we need to do more to encourage strong, stable, close nuclear families, because that is by far, the biggest driver of student performance, nothing else even comes close. the older i get, the
more certain i am that this is almost all that matters. without it, almost nothing else works.

i do appreciate the challenging questions, and the respect with which you asked them.
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How does a school encourage stable families when some educators found that providing a place for kids to wash their clothes increases the likelihood they will show up every day and that idea was mocked?

How does a school encourage stable families when some educators found that providing a place for kids to wash their clothes increases the likelihood they will show up every day and that idea was mocked?

It shouldn't be the school's job to encourage stable families. Their job is to teach. People have lost their way on how they approach building a family. It's a societal thing, not a school thing.

I'm pretty sure that everybody here approached having kids and building a family as a serious responsibility, a lot of people don't anymore.

When did terms like Baby Mama and Baby Daddy become A-OK? We need less Kardashians and more Leave it to Beaver

Why would I apologize for pushing back on a troll?

Maybe you should go back to commenting on a fellow posters son's college choice and saying it was budget shopping or some other classless insult.
When you plant corn,that is probably what you will sow. Good luck my little cupcake,you had your chance.
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Both poverty and rising inequality are largely consequences of America’s failing education system. Fix that, I believed, and we could cure much of what ails America.
Nope, Nick Hanauer wrote an article in the latest issue of the Atlantic that he feels explains why not.
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2019/07/education-isnt-enough/590611/

Is America's Education system failing, or is it American's failing to take advantage of the Education System?

When you plant corn,that is probably what you will sow. Good luck my little cupcake,you had your chance.
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As usual, don't add anything. Just throw insults. I had my chance to do what - ignore the troll?

How does a school encourage stable families when some educators found that providing a place for kids to wash their clothes increases the likelihood they will show up every day and that idea was mocked?

you’re right, their absolute salary isn’t the same as comparable
private sector
professionals. nor should it be, because that’s the sacrifice you make as a
public servant, same way a prosecutor doesn’t make
Anywhere near as much as an attorney in the private sector. people in the private sector dont get the time off teachers get, nit do we have tenure. again, catholic schools pay crap, and yet they get good teachers. you’ll never convince me that if we reduce overall compensation a bit, that no one will teach, all of the empirical
evidence refutes that. kids need
more teachers, not a smaller number of better paid teachers
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Is America's Education system failing, or is it American's failing to take advantage of the Education System?

both. but more the latter.
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How does a school encourage stable families when some educators found that providing a place for kids to wash their clothes increases the likelihood they will show up every day and that idea was mocked?

i didn’t mean the school
should encourage nuclear families, i mean all public policy should
be designed to encourage and strengthen nuclear families. paying teenage girls to have babies, and paying them
more to do so if they aren’t married, encourages shattered families. that’s the kind of idiotic public policy that needs to be changed. liberals bashing traditional
family values with every breath, probably doesn’t help
either.

sure, some
good families produce unproductive kids, and one
amazing people come
from tough family situations. but it is by far, the surest way for kids to thrive. i do t think most democrats accept that. family is the bedrock of everything, nothing else comes close. it’s old fashioned and corny, it’s also true.
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Why is this thread?
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Biden politicized curing cancer.

Either you deny he did that ( despite his promise that cancer would be cured if he wins), or you have no problem that he did that.

Which is it? Have fun squirming your way out of this one.
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i didn’t mean the school
should encourage nuclear families, i mean all public policy should
be designed to encourage and strengthen nuclear families. paying teenage girls to have babies, and paying them
more to do so if they aren’t married, encourages shattered families. that’s the kind of idiotic public policy that needs to be changed. liberals bashing traditional
family values with every breath, probably doesn’t help
either.

sure, some
good families produce unproductive kids, and one
amazing people come
from tough family situations. but it is by far, the surest way for kids to thrive. i do t think most democrats accept that. family is the bedrock of everything, nothing else comes close. it’s old fashioned and corny, it’s also true.
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This says it all too...

This says it all too...

there should be two parents who are non binary gender, then you’ve got it. what a great leap forward.

i also taught in a very affluent town a long time ago, and i taught math, and i had parents ask why their kid got a b, and when i said because they typically get about 85% of the questions right, they didn’t like that. i knew parents who threatened to come in with lawyers, rather than help their kids with homework.
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Is America's Education system failing, or is it American's failing to take advantage of the Education System?

Neither, it's being able to take advantage.
I'm sure there is anecdotal evidence of this family did well despite......
But society as a whole changes incrementally and things have changed over the last 50 years.

These are a few relevant paragraphs from the article I linked above, and will link here again: https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2019/07/education-isnt-enough/590611/

What I’ve realized, decades late, is that educationism is tragically misguided. American workers are struggling in large part because they are underpaid—and they are underpaid because 40 years of trickle-down policies have rigged the economy in favor of wealthy people like me. Americans are more highly educated than ever before, but despite that, and despite nearly record-low unemployment, most American workers—at all levels of educational attainment—have seen little if any wage growth since 2000.

Meanwhile, nearly all the benefits of economic growth have been captured by large corporations and their shareholders. After-tax corporate profits have doubled from about 5 percent of GDP in 1970 to about 10 percent, even as wages as a share of GDP have fallen by roughly 8 percent. And the wealthiest 1 percent’s share of pre-tax income has more than doubled, from 9 percent in 1973 to 21 percent today. Taken together, these two trends amount to a shift of more than $2 trillion a year from the middle class to corporations and the super-rich.

Today, after wealthy elites gobble up our outsize share of national income, the median American family is left with $76,000 a year. Had hourly compensation grown with productivity since 1973—as it did over the preceding quarter century, according to the Economic Policy Institute—that family would now be earning more than $105,000 a year. Just imagine, education reforms aside, how much larger and stronger and better educated our middle class would be if the median American family enjoyed a $29,000-a-year raise.

We have confused a symptom—educational inequality—with the underlying disease: economic inequality. Schooling may boost the prospects of individual workers, but it doesn’t change the core problem, which is that the bottom 90 percent is divvying up a shrinking share of the national wealth. Fixing that problem will require wealthy people to not merely give more, but take less.

This forum has a serious case of ADD...

Biden's "cancer-cure campaign promise" and current school problems???

Following most threads here is like watching TV with a remote control freak that changes channels like an idiot gamer...

Both poverty and rising inequality are largely consequences of America’s failing education system.

Is America's Education system failing, or is it American's failing to take advantage of the Education System?

Neither

:huh:

:huh:

i taught in an economically challenged city, and i taught in an insanely wealthy city. One thing i learned without a doubt, is that money is very, very overrated when it comes to raising happy productive kids.

poor kids from living stable homes, are a million times better off, than wealthy kids from chaotic homes. There is no comparison. None.

Fix families and our values and the things we prioritize in our culture, and the rest takes care of itself. spend your time obsessing about the material things beyond your grasp, and you’re doomed.
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:huh:
Missed the next sentences.

Both poverty and rising inequality are largely consequences of America’s failing education system. Fix that, I believed, and we could cure much of what ails America.
Nope, Nick Hanauer wrote an article in the latest issue of the Atlantic that he feels explains why not.

Missed the next sentences.

Both poverty and rising inequality are largely consequences of America’s failing education system. Fix that, I believed, and we could cure much of what ails America.
Nope, Nick Hanauer wrote an article in the latest issue of the Atlantic that he feels explains why not.


I didn't miss them, you said America's education system was failing, I asked was it the system that was failing or the people failing to use it. Then you said neither.

The other stuff you posted was really just white noise to what I responded to.

Pete, why is income inequality bad? if bill gates stops working, or if he burns all of his money, is anyone better off?

we need to help
those at the bottom, i agree. their salvation comes nit from confiscating what others have and giving it to them, but in helping them to help themselves.

Income inequality is complete bullsh*t unless you believe that aggregate wealth is finite. Do you believe that if Gates earns $1m today, that means there’s $1m less for the rest of us? if you believe that you’re an ignoramus, if you don’t believe it then you shouldn’t worry about income inequality. those with money, have an easier time
making more
money, that’s basic mathematical reality, it’s not bad, you can’t stop it and there’s no reason to try.

rich people
aren’t causing anyone else’s poverty ( most of the time). you solve a problem by addressing the cause, and one persons poverty is t caused by another persons
wealth.
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rich people
aren’t causing anyone else’s poverty

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have you seen California lately????

oh good....

The New York State Assembly on Wednesday passed legislation granting illegal immigrants the right to obtain a driver’s license by presenting foreign documentation.

The “Green Light” bill, which passed 86–50 along party lines, must now pass the state senate before moving to the desk of Democratic governor Andrew Cuomo, who has said he would sign it.

The system works if allowed to. Nobody wants to give away money to the clingers. You can get a great education in public or private or Catholic high school. There is always plenty of money for the underprivileged to attend ANY school. In this area at at least. These are great times but some want to fret. There will not be free education soon but Liz Warren is advocating....
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So Americans are better educated than ever
The gap between the wealthy and middle class is greater than ever
The wealthy control Congress
There’s no issue
And if you think there is your a socialist
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So Americans are better educated than ever
The gap between the wealthy and middle class is greater than ever
The wealthy control Congress
There’s no issue
And if you think there is your a socialist
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It's difficult to have a conversation with you. You put words in peoples mouths. You go to extremes. You veer off in different tangents. Maybe, when you attempt to respond or converse, you are actually talking to yourself. Sort of having a conversation running through your brain that gets triggered by various words mentioned by those you presumably respond to but which somehow get transfigured into a different context than that which was proffered. A context that satisfies some impulse to be right, to defend some point of view--which might suddenly take on a different shade or different direction.

Pete, why is income inequality bad? if bill gates stops working, or if he burns all of his money, is anyone better off?

we need to help
those at the bottom, i agree. their salvation comes nit from confiscating what others have and giving it to them, but in helping them to help themselves.

Income inequality is complete bullsh*t unless you believe that aggregate wealth is finite. Do you believe that if Gates earns $1m today, that means there’s $1m less for the rest of us? if you believe that you’re an ignoramus, if you don’t believe it then you shouldn’t worry about income inequality. those with money, have an easier time
making more
money, that’s basic mathematical reality, it’s not bad, you can’t stop it and there’s no reason to try.

rich people
aren’t causing anyone else’s poverty ( most of the time). you solve a problem by addressing the cause, and one persons poverty is t caused by another persons
wealth.
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Jim,
It's not poverty that is the problem, it's the shrinking of opportunity for people.
Its because nearly all the benefits of economic growth have been captured by large corporations and their shareholders.
Controlling the flow of capital so that you can capture incrementally more is how you win and the middle class has no chance in that game.
If you do it long enough you control the banks, the means of production and distribution and the government. Forty years ago when I was in my twenties I could call the loan officer at the local bank and get a loan, today that same bank is part of a large corporation with little involvement in the community. That holds true for almost everything we buy today, from fishing equipment to groceries and clothes.
This happened in the Gilded Age and history is repeating, it does that.
Corporations buy up profitable small businesses, reduce management costs per unit and buy more small businesses.
Then they start on each other.
The number of publicly traded corporations has been reduced greatly in the past twenty years, roughly by half.
Corporations have been gobbling up their competition for the past twenty years. The easiest way to control the market is eliminate your competition and the easiest example is any of the FAANG who buy anyone who could compete.
The vast majority of shares are held by the wealthiest people in the US. After-tax corporate profits have doubled from about 5 percent of GDP in 1970 to about 10 percent, even as wages as a share of GDP have fallen by roughly 8 percent. And the wealthiest 1 percent’s share of pre-tax income has more than doubled, from 9 percent in 1973 to 21 percent today. Taken together, these two trends amount to a shift of more than $2 trillion a year from the middle class to corporations and the super-rich.

It's difficult to have a conversation with you. You put words in peoples mouths. You go to extremes. You veer off in different tangents. Maybe, when you attempt to respond or converse, you are actually talking to yourself. Sort of having a conversation running through your brain that gets triggered by various words mentioned by those you presumably respond to but which somehow get transfigured into a different context than that which was proffered. A context that satisfies some impulse to be right, to defend some point of view--which might suddenly take on a different shade or different direction.

Didn't know I was having a conversation with you, but you certainly seem to think you have clairvoyant abilities.

Jim,

it's the shrinking of opportunity for people.




this is insanity

Didn't know I was having a conversation with you, but you certainly seem to think you have clairvoyant abilities.

It was a general statement based not on clairvoyance, but on observation of your deking, dodging, changing subject, and responding to words that were not spoken--as in your last response to Dangles.

It was a general statement based not on clairvoyance, but on observation of your deking, dodging, changing subject, and responding to words that were not spoken--as in your last response to Dangles.

Thank you for your diligent policing of the internet, it's obvious Dangles needs your assistance.
:thanks:

Scott,
The result is the same if corporations or government control the banks, the means of production and distribution and the government.

To some the glass is half empty.
Others act as the sky is falling.
Things look fine from my toilet. Retirement is looking better all the time. Kids have jobs with a great future. It has not been easy admittedly but this is a great time in America. Enjoy it.
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Thank you for your diligent policing of the internet, it's obvious Dangles needs your assistance.
:thanks:

You're welcome. I try to help whenever I can.

Jim,
It's not poverty that is the problem, it's the shrinking of opportunity for people.
Its because nearly all the benefits of economic growth have been captured by large corporations and their shareholders.
Controlling the flow of capital so that you can capture incrementally more is how you win and the middle class has no chance in that game.
If you do it long enough you control the banks, the means of production and distribution and the government. Forty years ago when I was in my twenties I could call the loan officer at the local bank and get a loan, today that same bank is part of a large corporation with little involvement in the community. That holds true for almost everything we buy today, from fishing equipment to groceries and clothes.
This happened in the Gilded Age and history is repeating, it does that.
Corporations buy up profitable small businesses, reduce management costs per unit and buy more small businesses.
Then they start on each other.
The number of publicly traded corporations has been reduced greatly in the past twenty years, roughly by half.
Corporations have been gobbling up their competition for the past twenty years. The easiest way to control the market is eliminate your competition and the easiest example is any of the FAANG who buy anyone who could compete.
The vast majority of shares are held by the wealthiest people in the US. After-tax corporate profits have doubled from about 5 percent of GDP in 1970 to about 10 percent, even as wages as a share of GDP have fallen by roughly 8 percent. And the wealthiest 1 percent’s share of pre-tax income has more than doubled, from 9 percent in 1973 to 21 percent today. Taken together, these two trends amount to a shift of more than $2 trillion a year from the middle class to corporations and the super-rich.

"It's not poverty that is the problem, it's the shrinking of opportunity for people"

Agreed 100%.

"Its because nearly all the benefits of economic growth have been captured by large corporations and their shareholders"

Too much energy is dedicated to enriching large corporations and shareholders. I wouldn't say "nearly all". There are too many people who move up the economic ladder for me to buy that "nearly all" of the benefits go to big business. But I agree that too many politicians prioritize bib business over families, I agree 100%.

Scott,
The result is the same if corporations or government control the banks, the means of production and distribution and the government.

Yet I have a mortgage on my home at only 3.5%. Is the bank screwing me? I don't think so.

Scott,
The result is the same if corporations or government control the banks, the means of production and distribution and the government.

Not if, but when. Corporations can't control without government acceptance, approval, partnership, sanction, rubber stamp. Actually, on the other hand, government can control without corporate approval.

The symbiotic relationship between corporations and government, in which government is the ultimate regulator, and upon which corporations must acquiesce, is the progressive model (as is also the case in other forms of authoritarian regimes).

The Progressive model is government regulatory control of banks and business and societal as well as individual "rights." All, of course, under the rubric of what is best for society--what is the most realizable utopia--as in your "progressive capitalism."

To some the glass is half empty.
Others act as the sky is falling.
Things look fine from my toilet. Retirement is looking better all the time. Kids have jobs with a great future. It has not been easy admittedly but this is a great time in America. Enjoy it.
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I think the deck is stacked in favor of the powerful and connected to some extent. If I wanted to go to Harvard and be an executive VP at Goldman Sachs and have a summer home in Watch Hill, sure it helps if my family has connections, which we don't. But if I want to be upper middle class and still be home for dinner most nights and take my kids to Disney every few years, there are plenty of ways to do that. I think it's a little harder than it should be, but still within reach of most of us. You have to work hard, and it really helps to have good parents to set kids on the right path.

I've said this before, there is a family that owns the local Shell station and convenience store near my house, they came here from Liberia, literally with nothing. They now own that business, their kids are college graduates, one is in medical school. every town in the country has families with the same exact story, and many are refugees because they don't take anything for granted and are willing to work insanely hard to get what they want. If big business runs everything, how did they pull that off? The answer is love and hard work, but our grievance and entitled culture doesn't want to hear about such things.

How many owner operated gas/convenience stores have you seen in the past few years?
How many have been bought by corporations and now have hired help paid minimum wage or slightly above and a remote manager.
Is the gas or items less expensive at the corporate store?
Those anecdotes are getting fewer and fewer around here, there are a couple in this county where there were one or two in each town.

How many owner operated gas/convenience stores have you seen in the past few years?
How many have been bought by corporations and now have hired help paid minimum wage or slightly above and a remote manager.
Is the gas or items less expensive at the corporate store?
Those anecdotes are getting fewer and fewer around here, there are a couple in this county where there were one or two in each town.

"How many owner operated gas/convenience stores have you seen in the past few years?"

I don't keep track. But many industries are being swallowed up by a small number of huge companies, you're right. This makes it harder to get ahead, but not impossibly so. There's fewer paths to independence, and smaller margin of error. And working for a large company is more demanding and less rewarding than it was in my father's time for sure.

I think the deck is stacked in favor of the powerful and connected to some extent.



ya think?

How many owner operated gas/convenience stores have you seen in the past few years?
.

I thought leftists liked centralization?

There's fewer paths to independence



what??? there has never been more diverse opportunity

what??? there has never been more diverse opportunity

Not in the Rust Belt. i guess i mean primarily manufacturing.
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funny the thread was started because of a biden statement that was positive hopeful but maybe unrealistic ... the New Green deal fall into the same category.. and without fail both were attacked wholesale from the Right


But the right ignores Trumps Messages shrugs them off as mere hyperbole..

even if his words and actions are clear

Foreign Interference And 'Opposition Research' Are Not The Same


unless your Trump

Trump disputed the idea that if a foreign government provided information on a political opponent, it would be considered interference in our election process.


"It's not an interference, they have information -- I think I'd take it," Trump said. "If I thought there was something wrong, I'd go maybe to the FBI ..

"The FBI director is wrong, because frankly it doesn't happen like that in life," Trump said. "Now maybe it will start happening, maybe today you'd think differently."

the law prohibits American political campaigns from taking "a contribution or donation of money or any other thing of value" from foreigners. The ban isn't limited to money, as Justice Department investigators wrote.


But once again Trump supporters could care less that their man is willing open to defy the Law or feel it doesn't apply to him or his administration...

BUT BUT Biden 'we're gonna cure cancer' if he's elected president

Still havent seen the word I or I am in that statement

but we have seen many Trumps statements 'Mexico will pay for the wall 'I Would Accept Information On My Opponent From Foreign Governments, "It's Called Oppo Research" or Tariffs are "paid for mostly by China, by the way, not by us."

and not a peep from the usual players here who conventely have nothing to say when it come to their side which they will insist they dont have a side :btu:

No more local hardware store...the list goes on. I am not sure how it gets back to Leave it to Beaver. Meanwhile the middle and even lower class enjoy creature comforts and even luxuries that used to be only for the rich. A lot of people don’t grasp the context here. Seriously,who even knows people who can’t afford phones or the internet?
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funny the thread was started because of a biden statement that was positive hopeful but maybe unrealistic ... the New Green deal fall into the same category.. and without fail both were attacked wholesale from the Right


But the right ignores Trumps Messages shrugs them off as mere hyperbole..

even if his words and actions are clear

Foreign Interference And 'Opposition Research' Are Not The Same


unless your Trump

Trump disputed the idea that if a foreign government provided information on a political opponent, it would be considered interference in our election process.


"It's not an interference, they have information -- I think I'd take it," Trump said. "If I thought there was something wrong, I'd go maybe to the FBI ..

"The FBI director is wrong, because frankly it doesn't happen like that in life," Trump said. "Now maybe it will start happening, maybe today you'd think differently."

the law prohibits American political campaigns from taking "a contribution or donation of money or any other thing of value" from foreigners. The ban isn't limited to money, as Justice Department investigators wrote.


But once again Trump supporters could care less that their man is willing open to defy the Law or feel it doesn't apply to him or his administration...

BUT BUT Biden 'we're gonna cure cancer' if he's elected president

Still havent seen the word I or I am in that statement

but we have seen many Trumps statements 'Mexico will pay for the wall 'I Would Accept Information On My Opponent From Foreign Governments, "It's Called Oppo Research" or Tariffs are "paid for mostly by China, by the way, not by us."

and not a peep from the usual players here who conventely have nothing to say when it come to their side which they will insist they dont have a side :btu:

Look in the mirror and what do you see?

Now point your finger and see who that guy is pointing at.

Pretty simple but you don’t seem to get it.
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WDMSO, Biden very specifically politicized curing cancer, and he clearly did so for his own benefit. Is that true or false?

I asked Spence the same question, but he’s still hiding.

Hopeful is one thing. Exploiting the desperation of people who are dying, is something else.

Biden comes with the obnoxious and outlandish behavior that Trump delivers ( not quite to the same degree), with none of the productive policy ideas. He also promised the VP slot to Stacy Abrams, who called the offer racist. Maybe he should
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No more local hardware store...the list goes on. I am not sure how it gets back to Leave it to Beaver. Meanwhile the middle and even lower class enjoy creature comforts and even luxuries that used to be only for the rich. A lot of people don’t grasp the context here. Seriously,who even knows people who can’t afford phones or the internet?
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I'd gladly go back to keeping a dime in my wallet.

He also promised the VP slot to Stacy Abrams, who called the offer racist.

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that's awesome

Look in the mirror and what do you see?

Now point your finger and see who that guy is pointing at.

Pretty simple but you don’t seem to get it.
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Once again. Your inability to understand words and actions from those in power and the ability to effect change .. and the words of those not in a position of power . Are not the same .. but please keep trying to make it so
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WDMSO, Biden very specifically politicized curing cancer, and he clearly did so for his own benefit. Is that true or false?

I asked Spence the same question, but he’s still hiding.

Hopeful is one thing. Exploiting the desperation of people who are dying, is something else.

Biden comes with the obnoxious and outlandish behavior that Trump delivers ( not quite to the same degree), with none of the productive policy ideas. He also promised the VP slot to Stacy Abrams, who called the offer racist. Maybe he should
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Same response I gave dangles
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I'd gladly go back to keeping a dime in my wallet.

The right dosen't understand how corporate America is in the game to limit choice funnel business in their direction via merger and hostile take over. Look at ATM cards hailed as great they were all free but like airlines once they saw they could charge for a seat or a bag or a hotel could charge for parking they all charge for the honor of using their product .... but some dinosaurs see iPhones and internet as luxury items that poor people have no business owning completely ignoring the world around them .. connectivity is a nessicity in today's world .. 40hr work week once paid the Bill's not anymore the federal min wage hasn't risen in 10 years . Even in this economy why do you think that is.. corporate Americas deep pocket and politics
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It’s too bad you don’t seem to comprehend even the simplest of sentences Wayne. Seriously.

But thanks for making my point again. You wear out words like the “right” and his “base” while either ignoring or just plain denying that there are two parties. You don’t seem to understand why or how we got here. Keep pointing your finger at the party you despise and there are still 4 fingers pointing back at you. Some folks understand this while others just want to place blame on the other guy. That is you,a selfish person who struggles with words like unity and team. What exactly is the middle and lower class lacking in terms of what you consider to be only attainable by the wealthy?
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Same response I gave dangles
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let’s make this very, very simple.

Yes or no, did Biden politicize finding a cure for cancer for his own benefit, when he said “ if I’m elected i promise there will be a cure”.

dangles was absolutely correct. people who are angry with their lot in life, there’s a 95% chance they are to blame, and for the other 5%, 95% of those can blame
their crappy parents. if you want to know what the problem is, look in the mirror. i’d you want to know the solution, look to the african immigrants i know who obsessed over their children’s education and worked their butts off for 90 hours a week towards their dreams.


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Too late ,! He has already stated what he thinks is deserved. It will never be enough, must be helping O pass out cell phones. After all, they are now a necessity.
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Trump Warns of Epic Stock Market Crash If He's Not Re-Elected. But but Biden. politicized cancer. Really Jim your. Lost in you bias.. you clearly own no mirrors
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It’s too bad you don’t seem to comprehend even the simplest of sentences Wayne. Seriously.

But thanks for making my point again. You wear out words like the “right” and his “base” while either ignoring or just plain denying that there are two parties. You don’t seem to understand why or how we got here. Keep pointing your finger at the party you despise and there are still 4 fingers pointing back at you. Some folks understand this while others just want to place blame on the other guy. That is you,a selfish person who struggles with words like unity and team. What exactly is the middle and lower class lacking in terms of what you consider to be only attainable by the wealthy?
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And with this rant you act as if Republicans never were in office. In the last 100 years .. your good with how we got here. As usual it's based on feeling not actual facts ..
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Trump Warns of Epic Stock Market Crash If He's Not Re-Elected. But but Biden. politicized cancer. Really Jim your. Lost in you bias.. you clearly own no mirrors
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i asked a question, you didn’t answer. how come?

i agree with trump that ifnthe dems
control the oval
office and congress, there will
be a dip. he should
not be stating it as fact. But it’s also true that under his leadership, the economy is booming. there’s no evidence that joe biden is any kind of important piece to curing cancer. i’ve said many times that Trump is a scumbag.

Now how about you answer the very simple question i asked?
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And with this rant you act as if Republicans never were in office. In the last 100 years .. your good with how we got here. As usual it's based on feeling not actual facts ..
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We got here not because of Dems nor Republicans. This is our system at work, this is our country evolving. Get on board or get out of the way because your finger pointing solves nothing. But I am guessing it helps you sleep at night, knowing you did your part.
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i asked a question, you didn’t answer. how come?

i agree with trump that ifnthe dems
control the oval
office and congress, there will
be a dip. he should
not be stating it as fact. But it’s also true that under his leadership, the economy is booming. there’s no evidence that joe biden is any kind of important piece to curing cancer. i’ve said many times that Trump is a scumbag.

Now how about you answer the very simple question i asked?
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He dodged my question also. No answers, just blame.
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i asked a question, you didn’t answer. how come?

i agree with trump that ifnthe dems
control the oval
office and congress, there will
be a dip. he should
not be stating it as fact. But it’s also true that under his leadership, the economy is booming. there’s no evidence that joe biden is any kind of important piece to curing cancer. i’ve said many times that Trump is a scumbag.

Now how about you answer the very simple question i asked?
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you stated biden politicize cancer ... that's your conclusion .. that's not a question... I clearly gave you your answer but as usual when the answer doesn't support your view you claim it wasn't answered

My quote " biden statement was positive hopeful but maybe unrealistic ..." .... you twisted his statement it into some else (were) is the key word you skip

i agree with trump that ifnthe dems
control the oval
office and congress, there will
be a dip. he should
not be stating it as fact. what a lame minimization of what he said

to bad you can't apply the same standards and vigour to what people with R next to their names say as you do if there is a D near their name

you stated biden politicize cancer ... that's your conclusion .. that's not a question... I clearly gave you your answer but as usual when the answer doesn't support your view you claim it wasn't answered

My quote " biden statement was positive hopeful but maybe unrealistic ..." .... you twisted his statement it into some else (were) is the key word you skip

i agree with trump that ifnthe dems
control the oval
office and congress, there will
be a dip. he should
not be stating it as fact. what a lame minimization of what he said

to bad you can't apply the same standards and vigour to what people with R next to their names say as you do if there is a D near their name

"you stated biden politicize cancer ... that's your conclusion .. that's not a question"

Here's what I posted...

WDMSO, Biden very specifically politicized curing cancer, and he clearly did so for his own benefit. Is that true or false?

You see that thing, the "?" at the end of my post? That's a question mark. Means I asked a question...

He dodged my question also. No answers, just blame.
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When your beliefs render you unable to answer such a simple question, it's time for some new beliefs.

He dodged my question also. No answers, just blame.
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love it a question from the person who feels people in lower income brackets are clingers and have things they shouldn't due to their status


What exactly is the middle and lower class lacking in terms of what you consider to be only attainable by the wealthy?

to bad your question has nothing to do with anything I wrote or suggested it was about corporate America Tactics

"you stated biden politicize cancer ... that's your conclusion .. that's not a question"

Here's what I posted...

WDMSO, Biden very specifically politicized curing cancer, and he clearly did so for his own benefit. Is that true or false?

You see that thing, the "?" at the end of my post? That's a question mark. Means I asked a question...

Jim did you get a new Dog whistle for fathers day... True or false questions are for you to support your view on things

2016, Biden headed the "Cancer Moonshot" program during the Obama administration in a renewed effort to find a cure for cancer. He also launched the Biden Cancer Initiative after leaving office.

yep so in your mind he's politized cancer:sleeps: but Facts and actions he's been trying to assist in finding a cure for a long time :kewl:

Jim did you get a new Dog whistle for fathers day... True or false questions are for you to support your view on things

2016, Biden headed the "Cancer Moonshot" program during the Obama administration in a renewed effort to find a cure for cancer. He also launched the Biden Cancer Initiative after leaving office.

yep so in your mind he's politized cancer:sleeps: but Facts and actions he's been trying to assist in finding a cure for a long time :kewl:

I loved the cancer moonshot program. Offerung hope and encouragement is good. Promising dying people that they will be cured if they vote for you, is a lot different than the hope and promise you are describing.

A "renewed effort" to find a cure is one thing, promising a cure if you are elected, is a very different thing.

"in your mind he's politicized cancer"

In the mind of every rational person. What do you think it means to politicize something, if his statement wasn't a politicization of cancer? (That's anther question...)

love it a question from the person who feels people in lower income brackets are clingers and have things they shouldn't due to their status


What exactly is the middle and lower class lacking in terms of what you consider to be only attainable by the wealthy?

to bad your question has nothing to do with anything I wrote or suggested it was about corporate America Tactics

Again with the struggle known as reading comprehension . I never said they should not have these things. Where do you come up with this? Try being honest with yourself.
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Why is this thread?
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Exactly what I was thinking Jeff.

Exactly what I was thinking Jeff.

i asked spence if he was ok with a presidential candidate providing false hope ( in the form
of a promised cure) to sick people, if he was ok with biden politicizing the cure for cancer. he hasn’t been back in these parts since.
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i asked spence if he was ok with a presidential candidate providing false hope ( in the form
of a promised cure) to sick people, if he was ok with biden politicizing the cure for cancer. he hasn’t been back in these parts since.
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Your premise isn’t worthy of a response.
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Your premise isn’t worthy of a response.
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Your response isn't worthy of a premise.

Your premise isn’t worthy of a response.
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ah. in other words, i’ve got you but you aren’t honest enough to admit it, so you don’t want to talk about it.

He promised a cure for cancer, only if he is elected. that’s exactly what he said.
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ah. in other words, i’ve got you but you aren’t honest enough to admit it, so you don’t want to talk about it.

He promised a cure for cancer, only if he is elected. that’s exactly what he said.
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Jim loves the catchy terms that incite and Dangles is just the snowflake to get hooked and make a a good first run.

What Biden should have said is "Mexico is going to cure cancer."

Jim loves the catchy terms that incite and Dangles is just the snowflake to get hooked and make a a good first run.

What Biden should have said is "Mexico is going to cure cancer."

Here is the difference between me and you, and between me and Spence. I have said many many times, that Trump deserves all kinds of criticism for making the false claim that Mexico would pay for the wall.

I (unlike you and Spence) am not so blindly loyal to politicians from my side, that I can't ever admit they are flawed. Trump is a morally repugnant reptile. So is Biden.

Trump is a morally repugnant reptile. So is Biden.
Good job, I think you're one of about 3 people in the country that believes this.

Here is the difference between me and you, and between me and Spence. I have said many many times, that Trump deserves all kinds of criticism for making the false claim that Mexico would pay for the wall.

I (unlike you and Spence) am not so blindly loyal to politicians from my side, that I can't ever admit they are flawed. Trump is a morally repugnant reptile. So is Biden.

But you steadfastly defend him, while constantly trying to prove anyone else to be just as bad, so you can justify your support of Trump.

You've been victimized by Warren, Biden, AOC, likely the entire democratic party and the entire state of Connecticut among others. SAD

"Do you think your contempt for America might influence your judgement?" Yes or No?

Good job, I think you're one of about 3 people in the country that believes this.

you think i care that you don’t believe it? He promised a cure for cancer if people vote for him. Just because his former boss caused your blood to pour out of your brain for points further south, doesn’t mean i don’t have a point.

ask clarence thomas, or the woman whose hair he was sniffing like a pervert.
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But you steadfastly defend him, while constantly trying to prove anyone else to be just as bad, so you can justify your support of Trump.

You've been victimized by Warren, Biden, AOC, likely the entire democratic party and the entire state of Connecticut among others. SAD

"Do you think your contempt for America might influence your judgement?" Yes or No?

i attack him all the time. but because i also point out that his policies are sometimes effective, to you that makes me a trumplican.

To liberals, there are two kinds of people. Those who never stop
criticizing Trump no matter what he does, and Trumplicans.

I’m fair. I criticize him when he deserves it, praise him when he deserves it.
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But you steadfastly defend him, while constantly trying to prove anyone else to be just as bad, so you can justify your support of Trump.

You've been victimized by Warren, Biden, AOC, likely the entire democratic party and the entire state of Connecticut among others. SAD

"Do you think your contempt for America might influence your judgement?" Yes or No?

when did i ever claim to be victimized by warren or biden?

By the CT state leadership, heck yes, that’s obvious.

Sad? How
many trump-bashing threads have you started? How many threads have you started, that weren’t designed to bash Trump?
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I’m still not sure I believe he said this, but there’s a video. If this is what it sounds like, he’s a lot worse than I thought he was. Al Gore
promised that people
like Christopher Reeves would walk if he got elected. that’s really ghoulish.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/joe-biden-cure-cancer-president?fbclid=IwAR0VMa1JboGPOKa8YDpsChL3zBxvtH9 6FTedMY3o1bFYXvUFiMOsqTdTPN0

when did i ever claim to be victimized by warren or biden?
You constantly play the victim card, look at the horrific thing Biden did to make you start this thread

By the CT state leadership, heck yes, that’s obvious.

Sad? How
many trump-bashing threads have you started? How many threads have you started, that weren’t designed to bash Trump?
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Lots of threads that were not tribal, better look
I do think though that you have far more into defending Trump :cputin: than I into bashing:smash:

Good job, I think you're one of about 3 people in the country that believes this.

who said that you can’t walk into
7-11 without an indian accent, and who told blacks that republicans “ want to put y’all back in chains”? when the gop controlled the oval
office and congress spence, did blacks (1) end up back in chains, or (2) go back to work in numbers never seen before? do you know the answer? have fun!!
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who said that you can’t walk into
7-11 without an indian accent, and who told blacks that republicans “ want to put y’all back in chains”? when the gop controlled the oval
office and congress spence, did blacks (1) end up back in chains, or (2) go back to work in numbers never seen before? do you know the answer? have fun!!
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Case closed.
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Lots of threads that were not tribal, better look
I do think though that you have far more into defending Trump :cputin: than I into bashing:smash:

Toss a coin,but you are the passionate lover.
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who said that you can’t walk into
7-11 without an indian accent, and who told blacks that republicans “ want to put y’all back in chains”? when the gop controlled the oval
office and congress spence, did blacks (1) end up back in chains, or (2) go back to work in numbers never seen before? do you know the answer? have fun!!
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WTF are you talking about?
You believe some bizarre things
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The right dosen't understand how corporate America is in the game to limit choice

After a bewildering search of the shelf where eyecare products were located, reading the directions and use listed on all the different brands and varieties within brands of eye drops, and comparing prices, I wondered if those that I wound up buying were the best at the best price. I've had the same experience with a lot of, maybe most of, the things I buy. I have found that choice and variety of stuff has gotten larger over the years.

funnel business in their direction via merger and hostile take over.

Every now and then you read about a "hostile" takeover, but the market for stuff to buy still seems to grow. I do notice that larger corporations handle government regulations more easily than smaller businesses do. Seems like a cozy relationship big corps. have with big government. They seem to grow together, almost like a very solid polygamy of central government expanding its girth as it's fed by its many fat corporate wives.

Look at ATM cards hailed as great they were all free but like airlines once they saw they could charge for a seat or a bag or a hotel could charge for parking they all charge for the honor of using their product ....

Hey, gotta pay for the growing staff of workers who manage the credit dept. 24/7.

but some dinosaurs see iPhones and internet as luxury items that poor people have no business owning completely ignoring the world around them .. connectivity is a nessicity in today's world ..

Yeah, I really feel bad now that you've pointed out how poor people are not connected with the rest of the world. I didn't realize that they were so isolated. Maybe because I'm a dinosaur who doesn't have an iPhone and feel satisfyingly connected to those who I want to be connected with.

40hr work week once paid the Bill's not anymore the federal min wage hasn't risen in 10 years .

Yeah . . . I can remember, years ago, when some wives, after the kids were raised, started getting part time jobs in order to buy a few more things than their neighbors, and to keep busy after child rearing duties were gone . . . yeah, somehow after that, more and more started to do that, not because they had to, but to be financially better off . . . and how, somehow, the more the expendable income a household had, the more stuff there appeared on the market, and the more the stuff became obsolete at a quicker pace . . . funny how markets expand when consumer buying power does . . . and how what was once a luxury becomes a "necessity" . . . and how even the poor folks are deprived when they don't have the new "necessities." But there seems to still be a lot of dinosaurs where only the dad works and the family somehow is happy even when dreadfully deprived of all the good new things that have to be updated every year or two.

But I can see how it is necessary to keep raising the minimum wage so that the poor folks can keep buying iPhones . . . so they can stay connected to the world. Seems, the way things are going, and how everyone is deprived if they only work 40 hours and such--seems like the minimum wage should be raised every year. Maybe every six months. Can't you imagine how if we constantly raised it, like every month maybe, we could all eventually get to be a one percenter? Hah! Then we wouldn't need the politicians to give us stuff anymore. I don't think they'd like that. Nah . . . I think they'd need us to keep needing them. Maybe that's why they don't want to raise the minimum wage too much.

But I do notice that McDonalds is using more machines. They even have kiosk computers to right away place an order so you don't have to wait in line. And they don't need as many order takers. Wow, it would be fantastic to watch robots receive the messages and do all the preparations and shoot the orders to the paying counter.

No telling what the price of hamburgers might become, or the price of everything else . . . it's that strange thing about how when expendable income raises, so do prices.


Even in this economy why do you think that is.. corporate Americas deep pocket and politics
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Yeah . . . we're really suffering. It's a wonder millions and millions keep wanting to come here. Maybe they haven't heard about our corporations.

Case closed.
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then on msnbc yesterday, he suggested a “ real, physical revolution” to deal with republicans. yeah i was way off, huh?
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WTF are you talking about?
You believe some bizarre things
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are you denying that biden said these things? let’s be very clear here.
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WTF are you talking about?
You believe some bizarre things
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here’s video of biden saying republicans want to “ put y’all back in chains”.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vYtEuuhFRPA
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WTF are you talking about?
You believe some bizarre things
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and here’s video of biden saying you can’t walk into a 7-11 or dunkin’ donuts without an indian accent. You said it was "bizarre" that I claimed Biden said these things, here's video evidence. Have anything else you wish to say to me?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sM19YOqs7hU


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The right dosen't understand how corporate America is in the game to limit choice
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as opposed to, say, public sector labor unions, who as we ALL know, welcome the idea of choice and competition to keep costs down for the consumer. your union doesn’t do anything to gouge the consumer, no sir. The unions are all about keeping taxes as low as possible for their customers.

Your union gets liberals elected, who then reward you with benefits that dwarf what’s available in the private sector, and then those in the private sector have zero choice
but to pay the taxes to fund those lavish benefits.

You complain about atm fees and airline baggage fees, how about the increased taxes your neighbors are forced to pay, because your union gets crooked politicians to increase taxes to pay for your lavish benefits?

here in ct, our unfunded debts for union benefits are more than $35,000 for every human being in the state. That’s $175,000 for my family of 5. You think i should
be concerned about ATM fees? The banks are the problem?

you are correct, it used to be that one person working 40 hours a week would pay the bills. those days are pretty much gone, and i think that has been a disaster for families and children, an absolute disaster. i’m not sure the GOP caused it. how did conservatism cause that exactly?
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Trump made it worse.
The tax cuts of 2017 further turbocharged economic inequities through an act of fiscal profligacy which ballooned our deficit for the benefit of corporations and the wealthy—justified, yet again, by resuscitating the discredited notion that under-taxing “wealth creators” stimulated the economy while paying for itself.

The bill distributed more than 80 percent of its individual benefits to the top 1 percent of households; the bulk of the $150 billion rebated to corporations in 2018 funded shareholder dividends and stock buy-backs—which amounted to little more than a gift to the 10 percent of Americans who own 84 percent of all stocks. This lopsided largesse was possible only through creating a $1.5 trillion deficit over the next 10 years, generating a brief economic sugar high, which is already dissipating.

then on msnbc yesterday, he suggested a “ real, physical revolution” to deal with republicans. yeah i was way off, huh?
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I think you're beyond way off.

I think you're beyond way off.

instead of lobbing baseless insults, you could look it up
and you’d see that he said exactly what i claimed he said. I am certain he didn’t mean it, but that’s what he said.
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Trump made it worse.
The tax cuts of 2017 further turbocharged economic inequities through an act of fiscal profligacy which ballooned our deficit for the benefit of corporations and the wealthy—justified, yet again, by resuscitating the discredited notion that under-taxing “wealth creators” stimulated the economy while paying for itself.

The bill distributed more than 80 percent of its individual benefits to the top 1 percent of households; the bulk of the $150 billion rebated to corporations in 2018 funded shareholder dividends and stock buy-backs—which amounted to little more than a gift to the 10 percent of Americans who own 84 percent of all stocks. This lopsided largesse was possible only through creating a $1.5 trillion deficit over the next 10 years, generating a brief economic sugar high, which is already dissipating.

when the stick
market soars, i come inequality gets worse. No one can prevent that. you think it didn’t happen under obama? would
you prefer that we have a depression and nobody has anything?

This obsession with what others have...it’s stupid, meaningless, unhealthy, and unproductive. no one would be better off if the fabulously wealthy didn’t exist. No one.
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instead of lobbing baseless insults, you could look it up
and you’d see that he said exactly what i claimed he said. I am certain he didn’t mean it, but that’s what he said.
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So what?

So what?

so if
you’re ok with biden promising a cure for cancer, and if you’re ok with him saying we need a physical
altercation to deal with republicans, you have no right to complain about trumps outlandish statements.

i said biden was a jerk, you said no one believes that. i supplied evidence to supported my statement that he’s a jerk.

you only care when republicans behave poorly, and always excuse it when democrats do the same.
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I think you're beyond way off.

and i think i’m exactly on point.

https://www.dailywire.com/news/48516/biden-suggests-starting-physical-revolution-deal-ryan-saavedra

Spence, why is only an issue for you, when Trump says outlandish things? Why do all
democrats get a pass from you, when they say outlandish things?
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Hmmmm, I assume this is acceptable.
President Trump has promised to cure cancer, eradicate AIDS, and ensure that American astronauts land on Mars if he wins a second term. “We will push onward with new medical frontiers. We will come up with the cures to many, many problems, to many, many diseases—including cancer and others and we’re getting closer all the time,” Trump said to a cheering crowd at his rally in Orlando, Florida, on Tuesday night. “We will eradicate AIDS in America once and for all and we’re very close. We will lay the foundation for landing American astronauts on the surface of Mars.”
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Clearly the greatest president of our lives
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I wonder if Pete can keep this up for another 4+ years

Hmmmm, I assume this is acceptable.
President Trump has promised to cure cancer, eradicate AIDS, and ensure that American astronauts land on Mars if he wins a second term. “We will push onward with new medical frontiers. We will come up with the cures to many, many problems, to many, many diseases—including cancer and others and we’re getting closer all the time,” Trump said to a cheering crowd at his rally in Orlando, Florida, on Tuesday night. “We will eradicate AIDS in America once and for all and we’re very close. We will lay the foundation for landing American astronauts on the surface of Mars.”
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that's awesome :humpty:

Hmmmm, I assume this is acceptable.
President Trump has promised to cure cancer, eradicate AIDS, and ensure that American astronauts land on Mars if he wins a second term. “We will push onward with new medical frontiers. We will come up with the cures to many, many problems, to many, many diseases—including cancer and others and we’re getting closer all the time,” Trump said to a cheering crowd at his rally in Orlando, Florida, on Tuesday night. “We will eradicate AIDS in America once and for all and we’re very close. We will lay the foundation for landing American astronauts on the surface of Mars.”
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Damn him for giving hope to terminal cancer patients, AIDS patience AND kids who want to go to Mars.....
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Clearly the greatest president of our lives
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Yes he is. I voted for him and will vote for him again.
Immigration is my #1 issue....I work in a trade that imo has been ruined...overrun with illegals, working for lower wages, doing substandard work, no insurances, rude and disrespectful....got to watch your tools or they will help themselves.

Clearly the greatest president of our lives
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https://assets.change.org/photos/1/rw/gc/FyrwgcecjtAMfdu-800x450-noPad.jpg

^^^ that's gonna leave a mark :rotflmao:

Pete, when i claimed
biden said some outlandish and offensive things, you called me “bizarre” for suggesting biden said those things. so i posted videos of biden saying exactly what i claimed he said. Did you miss those videos? i didn’t see you comment on them.

again, it would be nice to have a set of rules
applied consistently to presidents of both parties. both sides engage in this hypocrisy, but Trump hatred has taken that hypocrisy to new heights.
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i’d rather he promised that, because he can deliver on that. promising desperate cancer patients that their lives depend on him getting elected, is ghoulish.
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Quoting for posterity since trump added AIDS to this list as well.....
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Quoting for posterity since trump added AIDS to this list as well.....
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did trump explicitly promise a cure, only on the condition that he get elected, bryan? if he did, well, we already knew he was a jerk. if he didn’t, dont compare him to someone who did.
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Hmmmm, I assume this is acceptable.
President Trump has promised to cure cancer, eradicate AIDS, and ensure that American astronauts land on Mars if he wins a second term. “We will push onward with new medical frontiers. We will come up with the cures to many, many problems, to many, many diseases—including cancer and others and we’re getting closer all the time,” Trump said to a cheering crowd at his rally in Orlando, Florida, on Tuesday night. “We will eradicate AIDS in America once and for all and we’re very close. We will lay the foundation for landing American astronauts on the surface of Mars.”
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You're misunderstanding. It is different bc Trump built miles of new wa...ah Trump made other nations respect....ah Trump brought back clean coa… ah Trump wiped out the defi….ah Trump tells it like it....ah..

Nevermind.

again, it would be nice to have a set of rules
applied consistently to presidents of both parties. both sides engage in this hypocrisy, but Trump has taken that hypocrisy to new heights.
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Fixed it for you

did trump explicitly promise a cure, only on the condition that he get elected, bryan? if he did, well, we already knew he was a jerk. if he didn’t, dont compare him to someone who did.
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Yes, though probably he was joking again.
SAD, it's acceptable if it's your hero. (that you don't really like)

Yes, though probably he was joking again.
SAD, it's acceptable if it's your hero. (that you don't really like)

let’s back up. when i said biden said some awful things, you said it was “bizarre” of me to believe he said them. so i posted the videos showing he said exactly what i claimed he said. exactly.

did you ever respond to that? is it still bizarre for
me to claim Biden said those things?

obama separated
kids from parents at the birder. No one said anything. Trump expands in that, and he gets accused of setting up concentration camps, if being this monster. Why was it acceptable for obama to do
it?

this is the hypocrisy and derangement. pointing that out, doesn’t make me a trump sympathizer. i hate trump, but i think criticism should
be fair and accurate. not tinfoil
hat wearing gibberish.
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let’s back up. when i said biden said some awful things, you said it was “bizarre” of me to believe he said them. so i posted the videos showing he said exactly what i claimed he said. exactly.

did you ever respond to that? is it still bizarre for
me to claim Biden said those things?

obama separated
kids from parents at the birder. No one said anything. Trump expands in that, and he gets accused of setting up concentration camps, if being this monster. Why was it acceptable for obama to do
it?

this is the hypocrisy and derangement. pointing that out, doesn’t make me a trump sympathizer. i hate trump, but i think criticism should
be fair and accurate. not tinfoil
hat wearing gibberish.
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The difference between Trump and almost any other politician is quantity. No politician has been perfect in beliefs or gaffe free to my knowledge, but none have broken the envelope in the way Trump has. Apparently he is acceptable to you. SAD

did you ever respond to that? is it still bizarre for
me to claim Biden said those things?

What is bizarre is your insistence on claiming moral parity when there is none.

The difference between Trump and almost any other politician is quantity. No politician has been perfect in beliefs or gaffe free to my knowledge, but none have broken the envelope in the way Trump has.

this is a pretty myopic view

What is bizarre is your insistence on claiming moral parity when there is none.

this is dumb

this is dumb
You've got it also.

The difference between Trump and almost any other politician is quantity. No politician has been perfect in beliefs or gaffe free to my knowledge, but none have broken the envelope in the way Trump has. Apparently he is acceptable to you. SAD

You dodged my question completely. Was it "bizarre" for me to claim Biden said those things? Or is there proof that he actually said them? Do you stand my the insult you threw at me?

So you agree that past presidents, some of whom you support, did the same things Trump does. He just des it more often.

I completely, 100% agree with that statement. So stop acting as if the others didn't do the same exact thing, with your approval.

"Apparently he is acceptable to you"

His behavior is unacceptable to me, for the 1,000th time. But like with my CEO, I can put up with him being a jerk, if he makes my life better. Trump is making my life better IMO, so if he wants to be a world-class jerk along the way, that's better than a well-mannered idiot who can't do anything right. Isn't it?

It's also worth pointing out that his opponent in the 2016 election, also took lying, greed, and corruption to new heights. She wasn't as crass or as vulgar as Trump, but a disgusting person nonetheless.

Character wasn't on the ballot in 2016.

What is bizarre is your insistence on claiming moral parity when there is none.

He insulted me when I claimed Biden said some things, said it was bizarre that I could accuse Biden of saying them. You claimed that no sane person thinks Biden is a jerk. So I posted multiple videos of Biden saying the exact things I claimed he said. Neither of you had it in you, to admit I was right. What does that say about you two?

You dodged my question completely. Was it "bizarre" for me to claim Biden said those things? Or is there proof that he actually said them? Do you stand my the insult you threw at me?

So you agree that past presidents, some of whom you support, did the same things Trump does. He just des it more often.

I completely, 100% agree with that statement. So stop acting as if the others didn't do the same exact thing, with your approval.

"Apparently he is acceptable to you"

His behavior is unacceptable to me, for the 1,000th time. But like with my CEO, I can put up with him being a jerk, if he makes my life better. Trump is making my life better IMO, so if he wants to be a world-class jerk along the way, that's better than a well-mannered idiot who can't do anything right. Isn't it?

It's also worth pointing out that his opponent in the 2016 election, also took lying, greed, and corruption to new heights. She wasn't as crass or as vulgar as Trump, but a disgusting person nonetheless.

Character wasn't on the ballot in 2016.

Sorry if you are insulted, I assumed you were happy that you found the backup for your claim and your ego didn't need my approval.

Everyone can screw up, the difference between a moral person and in immoral one is knowing that you did, apologizing if needed.
Still waiting to see Trump do that once.

Trump is a congenital liar and that is unacceptable to me.

Not many CEOs i've worked for or known have been jerks, a few but they were not the most successful ones. One was comparable in narcissism to Trump, he committed suicide eventually.
I'm sorry that you have to work for a jerk and perhaps you should make your feelings known, I'm sure he'd appreciate the criticism and comparison.

Hillary lost the electoral college years ago, get over it.

Hopefully there will be a worthy candidate and character will count in this election.

Sorry if you are insulted, I assumed you were happy that you found the backup for your claim and your ego didn't need my approval.

Everyone can screw up, the difference between a moral person and in immoral one is knowing that you did, apologizing if needed.
Still waiting to see Trump do that once.

Trump is a congenital liar and that is unacceptable to me.

Not many CEOs i've worked for or known have been jerks, a few but they were not the most successful ones. One was comparable in narcissism to Trump, he committed suicide eventually.
I'm sorry that you have to work for a jerk and perhaps you should make your feelings known, I'm sure he'd appreciate the criticism and comparison.

Hillary lost the electoral college years ago, get over it.

Hopefully there will be a worthy candidate and character will count in this election.

"Sorry if you are insulted"

You asked me to answer your question, I took it head-on. I asked you to answer my question, you refused. I tried. Have a good day Pete.

Jim. Just saw a clip of Trump at a campaign rally Monday Stating were going to fix cancer ... spin that.

At the president's official re-election kickoff event on Tuesday, Don Jr. mocked Joe Biden over his cancer moonshot. And the crowd went wild. !!!! And a mere few hours later President Trump said 'we' will come up with a cure for many diseases, including cancer.

What reality does his supporters live in ??
I
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Jim. Just saw a clip of Trump at a campaign rally Monday Stating were going to fix cancer ... spin that.

At the president's official re-election kickoff event on Tuesday, Don Jr. mocked Joe Biden over his cancer moonshot. And the crowd went wild. !!!! And a mere few hours later President Trump said 'we' will come up with a cure for many diseases, including cancer.

What reality does his supporters live in ??
I
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here’s my spin, i saw it too. i don’t like when biden makes promises he can’t keep, i dont like it when Trump does it. I hold them both to the same standard. Anything hypocritical about that?

However, from what i saw, Trump didn’t say that curing cancer was
contingent to his getting elected. he didn’t say we’d cure cancer, only if he was elected.

i liked the cancer moonshot initiative. setting lofty goals
and sharing hope, is good. telling people that they will live only if you get elected, is bad.

Here’s the reality I live in. Trump signed the “right to try” act, which gives sick people who haven’t been helped
by established treatments, the right to try experimental treatment not yet approved by the FDA. no one before trump bothered to sign what is such an obvious thing. He signed it, and it’s irrefutable fact that people are alive today because of it. Obama or bush could easily have signed that, they chose not to.

trump absolutely deserves credit for that. is he a jerk? hell yes. did he do something no one else bothered to do, to save lives? hell, yes.

what do you think?
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here’s my spin, i saw it too. i don’t like when biden makes promises he can’t keep, i dont like it when Trump does it. I hold them both to the same standard. Anything hypocritical about that?

However, from what i saw, Trump didn’t say that curing cancer was
contingent to his getting elected. he didn’t say we’d cure cancer, only if he was elected. Really? As usual, you try and use semantics to excuse Trump and demonize others to justify Trump's behavior. Typical Obergruppensplainer behavior.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7zOgxQ5E38

i liked the cancer moonshot initiative. setting lofty goals
and sharing hope, is good. telling people that they will live only if you get elected, is bad.

Here’s the reality I live in. Trump signed the “right to try” act, which gives sick people who haven’t been helped
by established treatments, the right to try experimental treatment not yet approved by the FDA. no one before trump bothered to sign what is such an obvious thing. He signed it, and it’s irrefutable fact that people are alive today because of it. Obama or bush could easily have signed that, they chose not to.

trump absolutely deserves credit for that. is he a jerk? hell yes. did he do something no one else bothered to do, to save lives? hell, yes.

what do you think?
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Ask your physician about Right to Try and get his opinion.

Talk about giving false hope.

Or do a little research outside of the far right media, follow the money. I bet you'll end up at CTCA.

here’s my spin, i saw it too. i don’t like when biden makes promises he can’t keep, i dont like it when Trump does it. I hold them both to the same standard. Anything hypocritical about that?

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trumplican always defending trump and his base!!!#$#@!!!

trump didn't sound as dumb as biden and that has them perplexed...also, trump fills stadiums biden can't draw flies :jester:




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Ask your physician about Right to Try and get his opinion.

Talk about giving false hope.

Or do a little research outside of the far right media, follow the money. I bet you'll end up at CTCA.

“we’ll come up with a cure for cancer and we’re getting closer all
the time”. what trump said. not how i would have liked him to say it.

“if i’m elected...i promise we’ll cure cancer”. what biden said. there are semantic differences, you’re right!

they’re both disgusting people.

gotta get back to puttin y’all back in chains! which you denied he said, then never ever commented on it after i showed the video, because unlike me, you are physically incapable of criticizing politicians whose policies you like.
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trumplican always defending trump and his base!!!#$#@!!!

trump didn't sound as dumb as biden and that has them perplexed...also, trump fills stadiums biden can't draw flies :jester:




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trump packs stadiums, biden can’t fill the atrium of an apartment complex. i still don’t see how trump could beat biden, but (1) i said thee thing about hilary and i was as foolishly wrong as everyone else, and (2) i can’t see biden getting the nomination. they’re too wrapped
up in identity politics. if the superdelegates were still around in their old form, that would help biden. the democrats are too busy looking for a transgender, orphaned, native american candidate who is in a wheelchair, someone who checks off all the “victim” boxes. they should
create one in a lab at CNN.
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i still don’t see how trump could beat biden,

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you said the same thing about hillary


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you said the same thing about hillary


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i sure did. read the next sentence i wrote after that. plus i don’t think biden gets the nomination, he has lots of baggage that won’t play well in today’s democrat party ( which looks a lot like the ‘cantina scene ‘from the first star wars movie).
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“we’ll come up with a cure for cancer and we’re getting closer all
the time”. what trump said. not how i would have liked him to say it.

“if i’m elected...i promise we’ll cure cancer”. what biden said. there are semantic differences, you’re right!

they’re both disgusting people.

gotta get back to puttin y’all back in chains! which you denied he said, then never ever commented on it after i showed the video, because unlike me, you are physically incapable of criticizing politicians whose policies you like.
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PeteF is confused by truth and facts.
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Not as confused as the stable genius
"I’ve heard and studied the Laffer Curve for many years in the Wharton School of Finance," @realDonaldTrump (@Wharton '68) said today at the White House as he honored Art Laffer, who famously drew the curve on a napkin... in 1974
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Great school, a lot of great minds have been through those halls.
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7 pages - figured I'd pull it to the top just to reread this.