You would get better treatment as a prisoner of war, then the children being held at Trumps “summer camps” for immigrant children. Televised DOJ lawyer trying to defend a policy holding basic necessities for sanitary humane treatment was a joke. Pence wasn’t much better in an interview pressing him on why these children are sleeping on concrete floors with only a foil blanket without access to soap, toothbrushes or blankets; actually laughing at the thought the administration was being questioned about it. All these pour children are pawns in an evil game Trump is playing.

Come on, Obama created this mess, Trump is fixing it.

Right?

Right?
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Come on, Obama created this mess, Trump is fixing it.

Right?

Right?
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right. and whoever crafted the brilliant policy which says that family units, even if fake, get preferential
treatment, and no one predicted that would create a huge surge in families crossing, which we have no infrastructure for.

is trump eating those children yet? can’t be far off.
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Ship your kids or grandkids down for a week at camp Trump, I guarantee they will never be right again.
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right. and whoever crafted the brilliant policy which says that family units, even if fake, get preferential
treatment, and no one predicted that would create a huge surge in families crossing, which we have no infrastructure for.

is trump eating those children yet? can’t be far off.
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No. He only eats well done burgers with ketchup and KFC....
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Pence wasn’t much better in an interview pressing him on why these children are sleeping on concrete floors with only a foil blanket without access to soap, toothbrushes or blankets.

Why? Because their "Parents" broke the law and tried to skip the line. It's really that simple.

Put the blame where it belongs.

And before you want to call me some kind of "ist" or "phobe" just know I don't really give a fuk
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Oh I know you don’t give a f*ck, that’s old news🤪
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It also takes two to play chess.
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Trumps using the kids as pawns, just who is playing the other side. I know you don’t buy he made this so much worse with policy and a complete lack of compassion by separating over 3000 kids, so I won’t debate it. My point which had nothing to do with how it was created, was that the administration is basically involved in child abuse on a massive scale and is ok with it, holding out for more money. Now it’s in the spotlight and it’s shameful to see a DOJ lawyer and Pence suggest it’s anything other than what it is.
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No, the parents are involved in child abuse for dragging their kids along with them to commit a crime. See that's how it works.
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Come on, Obama created this mess, Trump is fixing it.

Right?

Right?
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So,now you will blame Trump for this. Or am I not getting the joke?
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It’s almost like when the Cubans sent up all their challenged citizens to Fla. They send a bunch of sick folks up north to strike it rich. A gold rush of sorts. Things will change soon,and for the better. Just wait...soon you will see a checkmate.
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Aren’t concentration camps cool ?
This is what happens when you elect fascist alt right freaks.
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The cool part is you don’t have to capture them in these camps. They just show up willingly and get impounded. Everyone should take their kids at least once.
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I can see you walking the exterior of the cages, smiling as you rattle your baton and joke welcome to America. Be the perfect job for you, suits you perfectly.
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you were suckered again....


"In an attempt to justify Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez’s absurd comparison of American detention facilities to Holocaust-era concentration camps, many figures within the media have shared a viral video clip of a legal hearing in which a Department of Justice attorney debates a panel of judges as to what constitutes “sanitary conditions.” The majority of the shares were of a version put out by NowThis News, which claimed that the video shows a Trump administration official arguing that “children don’t need soap, toothbrushes, or beds to be ‘safe and sanitary’ while in Border Patrol custody.” The claim has led to several days of outrage, and has been used repeatedly as evidence that the current administration is being intentionally cruel to migrant children. Countless journalists, along with clickbait outlets such as The Hill and the Huffington Post, have highlighted the video inside this framing.


Unsurprisingly, it is not that simple. Indeed, the hearing in the video was related not to actions taken by the Trump administration, but to a challenge of a 2017 ruling that the CBP under the Obama administration had violated the Flores Settlement agreement with its treatment of children in custody. The judge in that case cited specific infractions that she felt were in violation of the “safe and sanitary” requirement under the Flores agreement and recommended a special monitor be appointed to ensure these facilities were complying with the original standard. The DOJ attorney in the video, Sarah Fabian, was not arguing that the United States should decline to provide those items to children, but rather that the Flores Settlement agreement didn’t specifically require those items. The notoriously liberal Ninth Circuit judges disagreed with this argument, preferring to read Flores narrowly. Fabian has been arguing similar cases on behalf of the Justice Department for years; that is her job. Some of her legal arguments have upset immigration advocates before. But they have never led to this type of media coverage, or to the claim that her fulfilling her legal role is indicative of a moral shortcoming.

Predictably, the vast majority of the people and the outlets that shared this exchange failed to note that the violations being discussed had occurred during the previous administration, while those who did know failed to ask themselves (and others) why the violations didn’t receive similar coverage when they were first exposed. Instead, they jumped straight to the conclusion that the federal government, headed up by President Trump, was deliberately inflicting pain on babies. This isn’t true."

"It wasn’t true during the Obama administration either. Then, as now, the violations weren’t part of an intentional or evil ploy, but were the product of the system’s being overloaded. Then, as now, the intended care at these facilities was humane, and consistent within the requirement under Flores. In 2014, the Obama administration was dealing with a serious crisis: a large influx of unaccompanied minors that strained the facilities. In 2019, the Trump administration is dealing with a serious crisis: a large influx of unaccompanied minors that strains the facilities. In consequence, across multiple years and multiple administrations, the DOJ has repeatedly argued in court that the Flores Settlement agreement should be read narrowly, or allow for exceptions in difficult times. Certainly, governments make mistakes. Certainly, some facilities have taken shortcuts, as the result of either bureaucratic incompetence or limited resources. But those infractions will be fixed by additional funding, additional facilities, better oversight, and quicker processing, not by pretending that the president is a tyrant. The situation at the border is a difficult one, but selective outrage based on misleading facts won’t do much to address it.

This incident has been reminiscent of the recent outrage over pictures of “kids in cages” at detention facilities that, after a period, were revealed to date from the Obama administration. And, like that one, it has done a great deal of damage to our institutions, not only because it seems to neutral observers that the media gauges newsworthiness based on who is in the White House, but because the selective coverage and focus on imagined motives rather than real structural problems permits members of Congress to deflect from their own inaction, and thereby to ensure that the issues will continue ad nauseam."


There is the rest of it Scott


carry on

I can see you walking the exterior of the cages, smiling as you rattle your baton and joke welcome to America. Be the perfect job for you, suits you perfectly.
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Then I put them in my mouth and chew their bones as they pass to my belly.
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you were suckered again....


"In an attempt to justify Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez’s absurd comparison of American detention facilities to Holocaust-era concentration camps, many figures within the media have shared a viral video clip of a legal hearing in which a Department of Justice attorney debates a panel of judges as to what constitutes “sanitary conditions.” The majority of the shares were of a version put out by NowThis News, which claimed that the video shows a Trump administration official arguing that “children don’t need soap, toothbrushes, or beds to be ‘safe and sanitary’ while in Border Patrol custody.” The claim has led to several days of outrage, and has been used repeatedly as evidence that the current administration is being intentionally cruel to migrant children. Countless journalists, along with clickbait outlets such as The Hill and the Huffington Post, have highlighted the video inside this framing.


Unsurprisingly, it is not that simple. Indeed, the hearing in the video was related not to actions taken by the Trump administration, but to a challenge of a 2017 ruling that the CBP under the Obama administration had violated the Flores Settlement agreement with its treatment of children in custody. The judge in that case cited specific infractions that she felt were in violation of the “safe and sanitary” requirement under the Flores agreement and recommended a special monitor be appointed to ensure these facilities were complying with the original standard. The DOJ attorney in the video, Sarah Fabian, was not arguing that the United States should decline to provide those items to children, but rather that the Flores Settlement agreement didn’t specifically require those items. The notoriously liberal Ninth Circuit judges disagreed with this argument, preferring to read Flores narrowly. Fabian has been arguing similar cases on behalf of the Justice Department for years; that is her job. Some of her legal arguments have upset immigration advocates before. But they have never led to this type of media coverage, or to the claim that her fulfilling her legal role is indicative of a moral shortcoming.

Predictably, the vast majority of the people and the outlets that shared this exchange failed to note that the violations being discussed had occurred during the previous administration, while those who did know failed to ask themselves (and others) why the violations didn’t receive similar coverage when they were first exposed. Instead, they jumped straight to the conclusion that the federal government, headed up by President Trump, was deliberately inflicting pain on babies. This isn’t true."

Does that change the circumstances under which these children are being held? That is a BS argument, the over crowding, unsanitary conditions, lack a bare necessities, all reported by anyone who has visited them (not in this administration) is why the media is all over this. Trump can rob other funds, but sees no need to do anything to supply the funds and staffing needed there, not unless it’s tied to other things he wants.

The GOP won’t vote on a single piece of legislation, yet they hold these kids hostage to leverage something they want. Your argument is like looking at a ten car pile up on the expressway and spending a month debating who is at fault, while leaving commuters to find another way into the city. The mess exists stop the BS and clean up the mess your policies help create.
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Your argument is like looking at a ten car pile up on the expressway and spending a month debating who is at fault, while leaving commuters to find another way into the city. The mess exists stop the BS and clean up the mess your policies help create.
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Your argument is like looking at me bringing my kids along on a home invasion, then blaming DSS because my kids are in crappy foster care.

I never saw the outrage from 2008 to 2016 about facilities used in detaining people illegally entering the country. Ironically this is where and when a lot of the rage photos come from...

Bad people traffic these kids, often without family, for the purpose of making money. There is a massive economy in transporting people from other countries to our country for a chance to live under the radar, knowing there is a high probability of being caught.

The people coming here are frequently robbed, raped, beaten, and sometimes even killed.

And people on the left wield it as a tool from 2000 to 2008 and from 2016 to now, all the while calling anyone that disagrees will illegal immigration as heartless racists, xenophobes, and nazis .

You know what would have been the proper and legal solution to this?

A long time ago, close the border and increase LEGAL IMMIGRATION. That is how it should have been done legally.


(side note, if Democrats really cared about illegal immigrants they would prevent them from coming here so as not to die from Net Neutrality)

Your argument is like looking at me bringing my kids along on a home invasion, then blaming DSS because my kids are in crappy foster care.

Somewhere GS is scratching his head knowing this is a “gotcha” moment.
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I never saw the outrage from 2008 to 2016 about facilities used in detaining people illegally entering the country. Ironically this is where and when a lot of the rage photos come from...

I'd love to see this mountain of rage photos taken during the Obama years, I'm aware of one.

Your argument is like looking at me bringing my kids along on a home invasion, then blaming DSS because my kids are in crappy foster care.
I've heard people used to make the same excuses about Jews and slaves.

I've heard people used to make the same excuses about Jews and slaves.

AOCpence.....brilliant stuff

I've heard people used to make the same excuses about Jews and slaves.

Maybe congress can bring all the descendents of slaves to Six Flags to make up for all those crappy foster parents during the 1700's

Maybe congress can bring all the descendents of slaves to Six Flags to make up for all those crappy foster parents during the 1700's
How about we just treat the kids in our care today like human beings as a start.

I've heard people used to make the same excuses about Jews and slaves.




You are partially correct. With the Slaves, bad people made money and politics by taking people from another place and bring them somewhere else (though most of those people were brought someplace other than the USA).

With the Jews many were rounded up and put in actual, ya know real and not imagined, concentration camps. One important difference, Jews were taken against their will by actual Nazis to these camps, tortured and often killed.

Illegal Immigrants come here hoping to circumvent the law and somehow being able to stay.

Ship your kids or grandkids down for a week at camp Trump, I guarantee they will never be right again.
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i don’t enter places without permission with my kids. So i don’t have to worry about that.

Where would you put them? we don’t have the infastructure.
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No, the parents are involved in child abuse for dragging their kids along with them to commit a crime. See that's how it works.
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your problem, is that you believe people are responsible for the consequences of their actions. liberals abandoned that notion long ago.
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How about we just treat the kids in our care today like human beings as a start.

https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/51998327/but-what-about-the-children.jpg

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/nearly-300-migrant-children-removed-texas-facility-described-appaling-n1021151. Must be fake news. Almost 300 migrant children have been removed from a border patrol facility in Texas after media reports of lawyers describing “appalling” and potentially dangerous conditions, Department of Homeland Security officials told NBC News. size=1]Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device[/size]

Why would these kids be put in this predicament?
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You would get better treatment as a prisoner of war, then the children being held at Trumps “summer camps” for immigrant children.

You're really going to compare POWs and immigrant children?

I'd call you a complete and total retard except that would be an insult to to retarded people.

You have some serious mental issues to even make that comparison.From every vet out there here's a big GO EFF YOURSELF!

Never debated or denied there are many (not sure anyone has quantified) kids here that were brought here under questionably circumstances, doesn’t change the fact some 3000 have been separated and are living in deplorable circumstances. Trump is ok giving money to farmers to make up for the hurt he put on them due to tariffs or rob other funds to build the wall, I’m pretty sure a lot could have been done well before this point if he and his GOP boot lickers gave a damn.
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Never debated or denied there are many (not sure anyone has quantified) kids here that were brought here under questionably circumstances, doesn’t change the fact some 3000 have been separated and are living in deplorable circumstances. Trump is ok giving money to farmers to make up for the hurt he put on them due to tariffs or rob other funds to build the wall, I’m pretty sure a lot could have been done well before this point if he and his GOP boot lickers gave a damn.
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you’re pretty sure a lot
could have been done. how
about instead of a wall, we
build a 1,500 mile
long day care center?

where would
you put them? whats the alternative?
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Why would these kids be put in this predicament?
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Immigration turned into a political wedge issue to divide the country leading to an inability or unwillingness of our elected leaders to address the issues. Trump didn't invent the problem but he sure as hell has made it a lot worse.

Immigration turned into a political wedge issue to divide the country leading to an inability or unwillingness of our elected leaders to address the issues. Trump didn't invent the problem but he sure as hell has made it a lot worse.

Jeff,if you are paying attention then you should know the amount of people trying to enter our country illegally has grown exponentially. Some want to deny it and cater to the offenders. Others are trying to prevent it altogether. Nobody should be surprised that it’s getting worse. This could have been prevented but as you point out, it’s political grandstanding at its finest.
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Immigration turned into a political wedge issue to divide the country leading to an inability or unwillingness of our elected leaders to address the issues. Trump didn't invent the problem but he sure as hell has made it a lot worse.

it’s trumps fault that we’re seeing a surge in the
number of families as a percentage of people crossing?

Spence, what should he have done, when faced with all
these families? where would
you have told him to put them?
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Jeff,if you are paying attention then you should know the amount of people trying to enter our country illegally has grown exponentially.
I'm paying enough attention to know this isn't true.

I'm paying enough attention to know this isn't true.

it’s over 100,000 a month who are caught. what should we do with that number?
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I'm paying enough attention to know this isn't true.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/05/crossing-attempts-at-us-southwest-border-triple-in-march-from-year-ago.html
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a little old and not a lot of data, but...

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/05/crossing-attempts-at-us-southwest-border-triple-in-march-from-year-ago.html
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a little old and not a lot of data, but...
This doesn't back up SD's remark.

compassion human dignity access to clean water a shower clean clothes medical care recreation

are basic provisions provided to every Inmate in the United States and POW or terrorist captured by the USA

blind to their crime color or where they are from..

And yet here the Trump supports can't figure that out?? they make excuse after excuse about who's fault it is

All the while accepting theses conditions as Part of the deserved outcome for those who dare try to come to America .. regardless of age or ability to make the choice ....

Another shining example of how to make America great Again :yak5:

This doesn't back up SD's remark.

no, it’s not increasing exponentially. but it’s surging, very significantly. that’s not trumps fault, is it?
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no, it’s not increasing exponentially. but it’s surging, very significantly. that’s not trumps fault, is it?
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The asylum seekers have been up and yes Trump has contributed significantly to the problem.

Look at numbers from past administrations and today, the difference is Trump and policy, stats can’t lie like Trump. If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck and waddles like a duck; guess what it’s a duck.
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The asylum seekers have been up and yes Trump has contributed significantly to the problem.

i guess you’re right, the surging economy makes america that much more attractive to people
everywhere else...you walked right into that one.

since i’m pretty sure that’s not what you meant, please tell
us why it’s Trumps fault that many more illegals are crossing?


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Look at numbers from past administrations and today, the difference is Trump and policy, stats can’t lie like Trump. If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck and waddles like a duck; guess what it’s a duck.
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how is it trumps doing, that immigrant crossings are up? i thought he was attacking our democratic institutions, and according to you, he was weakening our global status? if he has turned america into a brutal dictatorship, and an
international laughingstock, why are more people
risking everything to come here?

can’t have it both ways, GS...
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I’ve asked the TDS sufferers here what the alternative is, where should we put the tens of thousands of people
we catch every month. i keep asking that obvious question, i haven’t seen a syllable in terms of a response.

newsflash..:if you have no better alternative, that means he’s making the best of a rotten situation. and one that the parents, not our president, created.
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by the way, dna tests have shown that about one third of the children who cross, are not related to the adults they cross with. these are fake families, sometimes
with rented children to give the adults a better shot at being allowed to stay. is it a good idea to leave children with adults who
would exploit them this way?

this is a sick situation, it shouldn’t be political. Seal
the border, discourage people
from coming illegally, and allow more legal
immigrants. that’s the answer, it’s not partisan, it’s not complicated, it’s not unfair.

our current policies encourage the criminal exploitation of little kids.

https://pluralist.com/dna-tests-reveal-30-migrants-crossing-children-unrelated/
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how is it trumps doing, that immigrant crossings are up? i thought he was attacking our democratic institutions, and according to you, he was weakening our global status? if he has turned america into a brutal dictatorship, and an
international laughingstock, why are more people
risking everything to come here?

can’t have it both ways, GS...
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Are you really arguing his policies haven’t contributed to this situation? Additionally I started this thread not to debate cause but to call out this administration for doing nothing to address this and it’s been a long time since this has been a problem.
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Are you really arguing his policies haven’t contributed to this situation? Additionally I started this thread not to debate cause but to call out this administration for doing nothing to address this and it’s been a long time since this has been a problem.
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what policies has trump
enacted, which would
encourage more illegals to come? i keep hearing that Trump is a xenophobe. now you’re saying he’s encouraging more to
come here.

wait, maybe he hates them so
much that he encourages them
to come, so that he can intern the children in concentration camps? is that it? he’s luring them
here, just to brutalize them?

there’s
no reason why these people
can’t have toothpaste. as to showers? sorry, some
months we catch over 100,000 of them. we don’t have facilities to hold that many people
where they can shower daily and be comfortable. no such facility exists, and would take.a long time
to build it.

where would
you put them?

trump did nothing to address it? you’re right he should have gotten the wall when the gop controlled congress.
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You're really going to compare POWs and immigrant children?

I'd call you a complete and total retard except that would be an insult to to retarded people.

You have some serious mental issues to even make that comparison.From every vet out there here's a big GO EFF YOURSELF!

Go read the guidelines of the Geneva convention and tell me then these kids aren’t been denied some of the basics. Here is just a snippet for those that like to throw insults without understanding the point of my post. Have a good day, I won’t get down to that level to exchange insults.

POWs must be treated humanely in all circumstances. They are protected against any act of violence, as well as against intimidation, insults, and public curiosity. IHL also defines minimum conditions of detention covering such issues as accommodation, food, clothing, hygiene and medical care.
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Clearly the best president of our lifetime. Thank him for your good nights rest snowflakes.
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Yup a man (white Bill Cosby) our children can all look up to🤣
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Yup a man (white Bill Cosby) our children can all look up to🤣
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we didn’t elect him to
be a role model, but to improve things. hard to deny that things are better now.

when i was at aetna, we had a CEO who was well known to be a world class pr*ck. but he was a terrific CEO.
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We didn’t elect him and by that I mean I didn’t vote for a man with no morals, someone with a history of screwing others for personal gain, a pig and sexual predator, narcissist to the extreme, habitual lier, a man incapable of treating anyone with respect, the negative descriptive adjectives are endless; I voted for the lesser evil. If this is the new norm we are in deep s*hit, if nothing about the means troubles you, then feel free to ignore the wrong to get that good feeling about the economy. Trump island isn’t as good as you think it is, nor is the robust economy all his doing, but keep those blinders firmly in place and you will not see anything that disturbs you.
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Sticks and stones now? Go cry a river.
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I call a spade a spade, Trump calls all Mexicans spades, bad hombres, mostly rapists and gang members. Then we have the other immigrants coming from the sh*thole country’s. Then all the lies just endless and what’s more troubling is that his base continues to believe them, like cult members. Love the reporting of numerous ICE agent interviews, where many are longing for the Obama term rules and clarity and ease of dealing with immigrants.
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We didn’t elect him and by that I mean I didn’t vote for a man with no morals, someone with a history of screwing others for personal gain, a pig and sexual predator, narcissist to the extreme, habitual lier, a man incapable of treating anyone with respect, the negative descriptive adjectives are endless; I voted for the lesser evil. If this is the new norm we are in deep s*hit, if nothing about the means troubles you, then feel free to ignore the wrong to get that good feeling about the economy. Trump island isn’t as good as you think it is, nor is the robust economy all his doing, but keep those blinders firmly in place and you will not see anything that disturbs you.
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https://pics.me.me/dont-tell-e-let-me-guess-trumps-not-their-president-25747515.png

Your as predictable as he is, insults and disrespectful behavior. If you like government to be run like The Apprentice, staffed by temps, groveling at the shows bosses feet, then you found a spot you fit in.
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Isn’t it ironic that the people who call themselves “Pro-life” are the biggest supporters of these child concentration camps.
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If you like government to be run like The Apprentice, staffed by temps, groveling at the shows bosses feet, then you found a spot you fit in.
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I don't, but I'm not consumed with permanent TDS and understand that he won, he's the president, and come the next election either he gets re-elected or he doesn't. That's how it works. I realize that, just like every other president, not everything he touches turns to gold nor does everything turn to chit.

I also know that whining like a 3 year old incessantly on a fishing board isn't going to change that fact. Ever since he won the election it's been one looooooong Sky Scream by everybody who didn't like the results. Nothing but labels and name calling.

It's been almost 3 years since the election, the country is still here, I still have my job, and my Family is healthy and happy.

and I'm going to say this one more time, and I'll type slowly so you can keep up.

I.......Didn't.....Vote....For.........Trump

See that’s where you are 100% wrong, I’m complaining about the job he is or isn’t doing and ever time I or other do it’s the canned Trumpism; what about Hillary, what about Obama. We complain about the present and others are living in the past.
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See that’s where you are 100% wrong, I’m complaining about the job he is or isn’t doing and ever time I or other do it’s the canned Trumpism; what about Hillary, what about Obama. We complain about the present and others are living in the past.
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and the previous adminstration gave us a steady chorus for 8 years of "What about Bush" on the board. Now they are just getting what they gave.

I understand not being happy with a president. But yes the daily grind has become nothing more than white noise they emit on a daily basis. How dare his base stick with him has become a battle cry of sorts. They parrot their leaders like Pelosi and Warren...ca caw.
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I don't like Trump, I did not vote for him, I wrote somebody in. He is is petty, makes bad decisions, and can't keep a full bench. He has done some good things and has done some bad.

I don't think he is worse than Obama. I liked Obama, just don't like his politics and many of his decisions have lasting negative implications.

I will probably vote for Trump in 2020 (can't believe I am saying this) as I have to choose to vote for a vile guy like Trump or for a increasingly Orwellian Democratic party that will disassemble this country, take my rights away, and tax me to death up until the point they get rid of individual rights, free speech, and self protection.

Before all you Leftniks get your panties in a bunch, the Dem's want to eliminate Borders and Border Protection, Abolish ICE and Police, define speech and restrict 2A. I am a Free Speech, Right to Keep and Bear arms, and Due Process Absolutist. Everyone that values individual liberties should be.

We didn’t elect him and by that I mean I didn’t vote for a man with no morals, someone with a history of screwing others for personal gain, a pig and sexual predator, narcissist to the extreme, habitual lier, a man incapable of treating anyone with respect, the negative descriptive adjectives are endless; I voted for the lesser evil. If this is the new norm we are in deep s*hit, if nothing about the means troubles you, then feel free to ignore the wrong to get that good feeling about the economy. Trump island isn’t as good as you think it is, nor is the robust economy all his doing, but keep those blinders firmly in place and you will not see anything that disturbs you.
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the choice was between two people
devoid of morals. that was the choice. the only real difference is that hilary isn’t accused of being a sexual predator,?but she married one, lied to defend him, and slut shamed his victims on national tv. if she’s a better role
model, i don’t see it. she’s not as overtly obnoxious as he is, but every bit as corrupt.
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Before all you Leftniks get your panties in a bunch, the Dem's want to eliminate Borders and Border Protection, Abolish ICE and Police, define speech and restrict 2A. I am a Free Speech, Right to Keep and Bear arms, and Due Process Absolutist. Everyone that values individual liberties should be.
Oh lord :doh:

and i would never, ever have voted for him in a primary. not in a million years. but i plugged my nose and cited for him in the general.

his behavior is the most outlandish of any potus in my lifetime. combined with the fact that he made everyone in the left ( as well as myself) look idiotic by annihilating someone we all said was unbeatable, and it’s clear why they despise him so much. he humiliated us. the hate is everywhere.
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Oh lord :doh:

Abolish the police ! :rotfl:
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Abolish the police ! :rotfl:
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John is starting to resemble a later season Robert Heinlein these days.

Oh lord :doh:

Abolish the police ! :rotfl:
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Awwwww, look at you two celebrating Pride Month with an internet Reach Around :hihi:

And more demented logic at work.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/25/business/wayfair-walkout-detention-camps-trnd/index.html

Dems: "These Children have no Beds, we need to get them beds"

BCFS: "We just ordered $200,000 worth of beds to help them"

Dems: "We will walk out on you if you sell them beds"

Brilliant :rolleyes:

This makes sense to #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&s
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This makes sense to #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&s
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is this real? not made up? they complain about conditions, then complain when we try to improve conditions?

ya gotta love liberal logic.
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is this real? not made up? they complain about conditions, then complain when we try to improve conditions?

ya gotta love liberal logic.
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Now who is using children as pawns?

Now who is using children as pawns?

gee, when you put it that way, it almost makes their outrage ( which didn’t exist when obama put children in cages), seem, well, less than fully sincere??


I also see that AOC is encouraging the employees to strike. Good for her.
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It boils down to one simple fact...you can't win when arguing about this topic.
If you're right, you're still wrong because someone will not like that you are right.
If you are wrong then someone else will constantly remind you of this (probable) ONE TIME you were wrong as if it were the standard of your life and thought process.

As for the bed issue, who's to say that these kids don't have (or did have) nice beds but had them removed in order to "create" this issue? What if they had beds but the drug-running mules that were paid to try and get them over the border TOOK them from them?
You know, thieves stealing from children/easy targets?

We seem to be force fed tailored stories and events with manufactured facts in order to elicit a desired response, usually from the weak willed and feeble-minded sheep of the world.

That's how it seems to me.

it’s funny, until very recently, all the liberals said the problem at our southern border was a “manufactured crisis”, fabricated by Trump to fire up his base. Now all of a sudden, the crisis is so real that we have concentration camps. that sure deteriorated quickly!!
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it’s funny, until very recently, all the liberals said the problem at our southern border was a “manufactured crisis”, fabricated by Trump to fire up his base. Now all of a sudden, the crisis is so real that we have concentration camps. that sure deteriorated quickly!!
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funny how that works...

https://www.businessinsider.com/immigration-border-crisis-photos-2014-6?fbclid=IwAR0XCdleMUGiVpjoRfkETjwT-s9_6HVnZC1nhq-aBixP6sp3hZWFQc81opQ

it’s funny, until very recently, all the liberals said the problem at our southern border was a “manufactured crisis”, fabricated by Trump to fire up his base. Now all of a sudden, the crisis is so real that we have concentration camps. that sure deteriorated quickly!!
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You really are just that blind.

You really are just that blind.

log on, lob a baseless insult, scurry off, repeat.

everyone in DC, on both sides, gets a richly deserved grade of F on this issue. but neither you nor the media gave a frogs fat azz, until Trump took office. that photo in the article TDF shared, got exactly zero attention at the time. None. Because you and the
media were too busy getting weak in the knees every time obama
spoke, to hold him accountable for
anything. But the second Trump took the oath, Bam, then you started caring.

Make. That. Wrong.
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This thread is like the middle school argument from my childhood: "your mother wears army boots", "No, your's does".

On the Trumpist right the response has been to simultaneously deny that Trump is heartless and cruel and then claim in the same breath that Obama did all of this heartless and cruel stuff first, meanwhile the Democrats are claiming to be virgins.

Never mind that the real answer is that immigration is a complex problem that warrants a serious bipartisan commitment to working toward solutions like codifying DACA, coming up with common sense policies on visas and legal immigration, and, oh, maybe, ending the war on drugs that has trashed countries like Honduras and El Salvador. Just spitballing here.

https://thebulwark.com/its-hypocrisy-all-the-way-down/

you forgot securing the border in some fashion. how did our war on drugs, trash honduras and el salvador? that’s a sincere question...
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Drug trafficking adds to the violence. U.S.-led interdiction efforts in Colombia, Mexico, and the Caribbean have pushed trafficking routes into Central America, and U.S. officials report that 90 percent of documented cocaine flows into the United States now pass through the region. DTOs sometimes partner with maras to transport and distribute narcotics, sparking turf wars. In addition to the drug trade and extortion, criminal groups in the region also profit from kidnapping for ransom and human trafficking and smuggling.

https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/central-americas-violent-northern-triangle

PeteF chooses to ignore such a policy already exists,it was just not enforced with vigor.He just wants a new policy introduced so he can blame Trump for this mess he inherited.
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log on, lob a baseless insult, scurry off, repeat.
It was an observation.

everyone in DC, on both sides, gets a richly deserved grade of F on this issue. but neither you nor the media gave a frogs fat azz, until Trump took office. that photo in the article TDF shared, got exactly zero attention at the time.
The Obama admin wasn't perfect on the issue but back in 2014 the influx of unaccompanied minors was still pretty new and the system wasn't prepared for it. Flash forward to 2018 and the Trump admin has done just about everything possible to make the problem much worse and now we have pretty much total chaos.

You guys are still buying the Trump lie that his policies were the same as Obama's or better that he's fixing Obama's problems. Far from it...

it’s funny, until very recently, all the liberals said the problem at our southern border was a “manufactured crisis”, fabricated by Trump to fire up his base. Now all of a sudden, the crisis is so real that we have concentration camps. that sure deteriorated quickly!!
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Go research the numbers for the past administrations and then this past year and then the difference will be clear (at least to many); policies have increased the flow.
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It was an observation.


The Obama admin wasn't perfect on the issue but back in 2014 the influx of unaccompanied minors was still pretty new and the system wasn't prepared for it. Flash forward to 2018 and the Trump admin has done just about everything possible to make the problem much worse and now we have pretty much total chaos.

You guys are still buying the Trump lie that his policies were the same as Obama's or better that he's fixing Obama's problems. Far from it...

i freely admit, because it’s true, trump expanded obama’s policy of kids in cages, he’s doing it
more often.

so what you’re saying then, is that a certain number of kids in cages is acceptable to the left. and by a stunning coincidence, obama
was below that number, and trump
is above that number. shocker...

obama could have started construction, way back
in 2014, of an acceptable facility capable of holding tens of thousands. he did
nothing. neither has trump. they both deserve an F on immigration.
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Go research the numbers for the past administrations and then this past year and then the difference will be clear (at least to many); policies have increased the flow.
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which trump policies have increased the flow, exactly? You’re the one who said Trump has hurt our standing in the world. if he did in fact do that, why would
more people want to come here? i thought he was a racist who hated latinos, so why in gods name would he enact policies to encourage more of them to come here?
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which trump policies have increased the flow, exactly? You’re the one who said Trump has hurt our standing in the world. if he did in fact do that, why would
more people want to come here? i thought he was a racist who hated latinos, so why in gods name would he enact policies to encourage more of them to come here?
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Please tell me you really do get it and your making a bad attempt at humor. Ok first the countries and circumstances these people are coming from are in disarray and it matters little to them what Trump thinks about them, the chances of making a life eventually in this country makes the risk worth while. Secondly, Trump has signaled to these countries your window for coming here is closing and you better beat feet. Then there is little continued effort to make life in these countries a bit more tolerable so there isn’t these increases. Then Trump uses the boarder and detention polices as punishment in an effort to slow the process, thinking if I separate families and house them with little humanitarian necessities, that will also slow the process.

Open your eyes and your willingness to see the facts for what they are. Or are you buying into Trump spinning this as Obama started it and I’m trying to fix it or that the majority of these people are just bad hombres?
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Please tell me you really do get it and your making a bad attempt at humor. Ok first the countries and circumstances these people are coming from are in disarray and it matters little to them what Trump thinks about them, the chances of making a life eventually in this country makes the risk worth while. Secondly, Trump has signaled to these countries your window for coming here is closing and you better beat feet. Then there is little continued effort to make life in these countries a bit more tolerable so there isn’t these increases. Then Trump uses the boarder and detention polices as punishment in an effort to slow the process, thinking if I separate families and house them with little humanitarian necessities, that will also slow the process.

Open your eyes and your willingness to see the facts for what they are. Or are you buying into Trump spinning this as Obama started it and I’m trying to fix it or that the majority of these people are just bad hombres?
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ahh. so because trump
thinks immigrants should
come legally, he’s responsible for the rush. so trump should say to
the world, “i’ll
turn a blind eye to this as
my predecessors have done, so there’s no reason for
any of
you to feel the need to come
now.”


i would. never say obama started it. i said trump didn’t start it. and i said obama did zip to improve it, as trump. is doing zip.
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Please tell me you really do get it and your making a bad attempt at humor. Ok first the countries and circumstances these people are coming from are in disarray and it matters little to them what Trump thinks about them, the chances of making a life eventually in this country makes the risk worth while. Secondly, Trump has signaled to these countries your window for coming here is closing and you better beat feet. Then there is little continued effort to make life in these countries a bit more tolerable so there isn’t these increases. Then Trump uses the boarder and detention polices as punishment in an effort to slow the process, thinking if I separate families and house them with little humanitarian necessities, that will also slow the process.

Open your eyes and your willingness to see the facts for what they are. Or are you buying into Trump spinning this as Obama started it and I’m trying to fix it or that the majority of these people are just bad hombres?
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never said obama started it. i said trump didn’t start it, and i said
neither did anything to stop it.

you’re blaming trump
for the increase, because people get a sense that he's the first potus who will enforce the law? maybe that’s true, but it’s not a flaw.
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Please tell me you really do get it and your making a bad attempt at humor. Ok first the countries and circumstances these people are coming from are in disarray and it matters little to them what Trump thinks about them, the chances of making a life eventually in this country makes the risk worth while. Secondly, Trump has signaled to these countries your window for coming here is closing and you better beat feet. Then there is little continued effort to make life in these countries a bit more tolerable so there isn’t these increases. Then Trump uses the boarder and detention polices as punishment in an effort to slow the process, thinking if I separate families and house them with little humanitarian necessities, that will also slow the process.

Open your eyes and your willingness to see the facts for what they are. Or are you buying into Trump spinning this as Obama started it and I’m trying to fix it or that the majority of these people are just bad hombres?
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If this is true #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^& logic we are certainly doomed. 4 more years.

I guess the welcome mat Obama put out wasn’t enough incentive 🤡
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Oh the children, we’ve got to take care of them.......
Coming from the party that’s all about abortion, and celebrate being able to kill them right up to birth @ 9 months 😤
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