Telling non-white people born in America to go back to the “crime infested” places they’re “from” is unadulterated white nationalism. The President is a white nationalist. Any doubts about that must now be put to rest.

Today’s Trump tweet

So interesting to see “Progressive” Democrat Congresswomen, who originally came from countries whose governments are a complete and total catastrophe, the worst, most corrupt and inept anywhere in the world (if they even have a functioning government at all), now loudly......
...and viciously telling the people of the United States, the greatest and most powerful Nation on earth, how our government is to be run. Why don’t they go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came. Then come back and show us how....
....it is done. These places need your help badly, you can’t leave fast enough. I’m sure that Nancy Pelosi would be very happy to quickly work out free travel arrangements!

Try believing in the Constitution

Three of the four congresswoman Trump says should go back to their original countries were born in the United States. One of them was born in Puerto Rico, not convinced that the Stable Genius accepts that it is part since they criticized him. The fourth came to the US at age 10. All were duly elected to the Congress by the voters in their districts.

Telling non-white people born in America to go back to the “crime infested” places they’re “from” is unadulterated white nationalism. The President is a white nationalist. Any doubts about that must now be put to rest.

Today’s Trump tweet

So interesting to see “Progressive” Democrat Congresswomen, who originally came from countries whose governments are a complete and total catastrophe, the worst, most corrupt and inept anywhere in the world (if they even have a functioning government at all), now loudly......
...and viciously telling the people of the United States, the greatest and most powerful Nation on earth, how our government is to be run. Why don’t they go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came. Then come back and show us how....
....it is done. These places need your help badly, you can’t leave fast enough. I’m sure that Nancy Pelosi would be very happy to quickly work out free travel arrangements!

Try believing in the Constitution

Three of the four congresswoman Trump says should go back to their original countries were born in the United States. One of them was born in Puerto Rico, not convinced that the Stable Genius accepts that it is part since they criticized him. The fourth came to the US at age 10. All were duly elected to the Congress by the voters in their districts.

a terrible comment. stupid. ignorant. 3 of the 4 are from heye. every time
these ditzy broads open their
mouths, it helps the gop. so easy to slam them without shouting yourself in the foot like he did. i don’t see it as racist, but that’s always the allegation with anyone who disagrees with a liberal about anything.
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a terrible comment. stupid. ignorant. 3 of the 4 are from heye. every time
these ditzy broads open their
mouths, it helps the gop. so easy to slam them without shouting yourself in the foot like he did. i don’t see it as racist, but that’s always the allegation with anyone who disagrees with a liberal about anything.
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Jim, it’s OK to plead the Fifth.
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a terrible comment. stupid. ignorant. 3 of the 4 are from heye. every time
these ditzy broads open their
mouths, it helps the gop. so easy to slam them without shouting yourself in the foot like he did. i don’t see it as racist, but that’s always the allegation with anyone who disagrees with a liberal about anything.
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Translation: “If you’re a black woman born in the US and a member of Congress, I think you belong in Africa.”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qC16c98hDPc

It's okay we got 3.8 + 27000
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Paul saw "racist" and got a chubby :hihi:

Unfortunately it has gotten Pretty easy to find when you look at Republicans lately.

If it wasn't for immigrants Trump would be stuck having sex with hookers.
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Telling non-white people born in America to go back to the “crime infested” places they’re “from” is unadulterated white nationalism. The President is a white nationalist. Any doubts about that must now be put to rest.

Today’s Trump tweet

So interesting to see “Progressive” Democrat Congresswomen, who originally came from countries whose governments are a complete and total catastrophe, the worst, most corrupt and inept anywhere in the world (if they even have a functioning government at all), now loudly......
...and viciously telling the people of the United States, the greatest and most powerful Nation on earth, how our government is to be run. Why don’t they go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came. Then come back and show us how....
....it is done. These places need your help badly, you can’t leave fast enough. I’m sure that Nancy Pelosi would be very happy to quickly work out free travel arrangements!

Try believing in the Constitution

Three of the four congresswoman Trump says should go back to their original countries were born in the United States. One of them was born in Puerto Rico, not convinced that the Stable Genius accepts that it is part since they criticized him. The fourth came to the US at age 10. All were duly elected to the Congress by the voters in their districts.

it’s only racist, if their race mattered to trump. he’s just as stupid
and vindictive and boorish when white people criticize him. not racist.
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Jim, it’s OK to plead the Fifth.
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spence, it’s ok to be fair once. i said it was stupid and offensive. it’s only racist, if their race mattered. is trump more gracious and diplomatic to white people
who criticize him?

you disappeared after he won, because you literally couldn’t handle the loss. what are you going to do if he wins again? it’s a possibility, especially if he inks a good trade deal with china.

go masturbate to a photo of obama while hiding in your closet. this is getting boring. all insults, you have nothing meaningful
to add anymore. angling for a job on The View with the ladies?
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it’s only racist, if their race mattered to trump. he’s just as stupid
and vindictive and boorish when white people criticize him. not racist.
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He’s the person you support and enable.
Glad to see he impressed you again
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He’s the person you support and enable.
Glad to see he impressed you again
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impressed? read what i said. it was a stupid, boorish comment. zero evidence of racism, he treats everyone who criticized him the same way, regardless of race.

please
justify your accusation that i was impressed. good luck.
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I’ll be fair
A lot of people would agree with Trump about the government in the country three of them came from. The former ambassador from Britain did also.
So interesting to see “Progressive” Democrat Congresswomen, who originally came from countries whose governments are a complete and total catastrophe, the worst, most corrupt and inept anywhere in the world (if they even have a functioning government at all)

Some people are sure his rapist reply team will correct his error. Maybe I need a rapid response team for spellcheck
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Telling non-white people

Cortez and Tlaib are non-white?

well, I guess it does help to check as many "Oppressed" check boxes as possible.

same story over at white Bart their lead in to Trumps tweets

Hollywood Erupts over Trump’s ‘Go Back’ Tweet: (hollywood another conservative trigger word)

Here are some fine Americans expressing themselves


Lawrence Russell Brewer Corgifan • 13 hours ago
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Here's some more sh-tskin congress people from sh-thole countries:

Raja Krishnamoorthi
@CongressmanRaja

Born July 19, 1973 (age 45)
New Delhi, India

Rep. Pramila Jayapal
@RepJayapal

Born September 21, 1965 (age 53)
Chennai, Tamil Nadu, India

Ro Khanna
@RoKhanna

Khanna was born in 1976 in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania.[9] His parents are Punjabi Indian immigrants

Rep. Debbie Mucarsel-Powell (D-Fla.), Ecuador
Rep. Norma J. Torres (D-Calif.), Guatemala

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Richard_Baumhammers Lawrence Russell Brewer • 13 hours ago
Look at all these foreigners in OUR congress.

Foreigners out!

Out of my country!

If they aren't white then send them back.

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John William King Something Witchy • 14 hours ago
Anyone not white is not a citizen of the USA. Return to country of origin.

America is a white nation. The USA belongs to the white race because we built it.


Melania looks like an American and so does her son, Barron.

That's why Melania is welcome here.

Trump tweets what millions of Americans think:claps::claps::claps::claps::claps:

So I guess Conservatives do have a negative outlook when it comes Race and Gender .... :wavey:

Are we supposed to take him seriously but not literally but maybe figuratively and also jokingly and perhaps hypothetically but never ironically or always cynically?

Are we supposed to take him seriously but not literally but maybe figuratively and also jokingly and perhaps hypothetically but never ironically or always cynically?

how about this...how about you take him as seriously as you took Biden, when he told
a roomful of blacks, that republicans “ want to put y’all back in chains.”

i bet you didn’t give a rats azz when Biden said that. but when Trump does it, then all of a sudden words matter.

whet trump said was so
stupid i don’t know how to describe it exactly. 3 of the 4 were born here. plus, it shifts the focus away from the idiotic policies those 4 advocate for, and puts the focus on trumps idiotic temper and stupid mouth. it was a gift to democrats. keep the focus on what those 4 dingbat broads would
do to this country if they could. it was one of the stupidest things he has said, and that’s really saying something. But not racist either.
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how about this...how about you take him as seriously as you took Biden, when he told
a roomful of blacks, that republicans “ want to put y’all back in chains.”

i bet you didn’t give a rats azz when Biden said that. but when Trump does it, then all of a sudden words matter.

whet trump said was so
stupid i don’t know how to describe it exactly. 3 of the 4 were born here. plus, it shifts the focus away from the idiotic policies those 4 advocate for, and puts the focus on trumps idiotic temper and stupid mouth. it was a gift to democrats. keep the focus on what those 4 dingbat broads would
do to this country if they could. it was one of the stupidest things he has said, and that’s really saying something. But not racist either.
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What about..........

He's quit using dogwhistles and now just says it pretty plainly.

I'll translate his words for you: You aren’t really Americans… you are aliens… go back to the sh*thole countries you came from.

Claiming he's not a racist is bull*, he is a white supremacist from rent only to Jews and executives to You know you don't want to live with them either to birtherism to Mexican rapists to Muslim bans to the “fine people” in Charlottesville.

But the only acceptable position for a Trumplican is to fall in line because he said he's the least racist person.

What about..........

He's quit using dogwhistles and now just says it pretty plainly.

I'll translate his words for you: You aren’t really Americans… you are aliens… go back to the sh*thole countries you came from.

Claiming he's not a racist is bull*, he is a white supremacist from rent only to Jews and executives to You know you don't want to live with them either to birtherism to Mexican rapists to Muslim bans to the “fine people” in Charlottesville.

But the only acceptable position for a Trumplican is to fall in line because he said he's the least racist person.

if you don’t like statements that start with “what about”, then stop being such a naked hypocrite. stop criticizing trump for things that others got a free pass for doing.

since when did it become invalid or worthless to say “what about”, when pointing out glaring hypocrisy? when trump got inaugurated, that’s when. sorry pete, what’s good for the goose, is good for trumps gander, liberals live to have it both ways.
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What about..........

He's quit using dogwhistles and now just says it pretty plainly.

I'll translate his words for you: You aren’t really Americans… you are aliens… go back to the sh*thole countries you came from.

Claiming he's not a racist is bull*, he is a white supremacist from rent only to Jews and executives to You know you don't want to live with them either to birtherism to Mexican rapists to Muslim bans to the “fine people” in Charlottesville.

But the only acceptable position for a Trumplican is to fall in line because he said he's the least racist person.

is it “racist” to say that Somalia is a dysfunctional country with a crime problem? i don’t think so. i guess you do. at least when trump says it.
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Biden is abrasive and offensive and a human gaffe machine, and as of right now ( not much longer) he’s leading the pills
among democrats. so what’s the evidence that democrats truly don’t like
people who say offensive things and who speak stupidly too often? the party of biden has little
standing to pretend to be offended when Trump says things that are stupid, offensive, vulgar.
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Trump supporters love Trump

he fights back

he's not politician

he speaks his mind

hes a alpha male

grabs pussy


they love him

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.), Ilhan Omar (D-Minn.), Ayanna Pressley (D-Mass.) and Rashida Tlaib (D-Mich.),

lets throw Megan Rapinoe for colored hair and liking pussy ..

these women do what they were elected to do by the people in there districts (just like Tump) but the right attacks them for pushing back against Trump .. for attacking the dear leader, in the same manner trump attacks others ...

strike one against them in a conservatives mind They are women

Strike 2 they aren't white women ( the one who is a lesbian more outrage ) and 2 are muslim.. (can you imagine we come to this as a country (muslim's in office the right felt the same way with drinking from the same water fountain )

Strike 3 their insolence is outrageous how dare the speak against the POTUS or things that are happening in the country or Israel

Now Trump demands they apologize to our Country, the people of Israel and even to the Office of the President, for the foul language they have used, and the terrible things they have said,”

Amazing truly amazing words spoke as if he has never cast a stone against anyone :btu:

Comments from Trump Country, The Charlotte Observer

Are you OK with a racist president, Republicans?
BY THE EDITORIAL BOARD
JULY 15, 2019 10:14 AM, UPDATED 34 MINUTES AGO

We’re not big believers in public officials being responsible for all the bad things other public officials say or do. It’s become a too-common political weapon to ask lawmakers to condemn members of their own party, even for behavior that’s not representative of anything more than one person’s poor decision. But sometimes that behavior is so troubling that our leaders need to stand up and say something.

So it was Sunday when President Donald Trump tweeted a bigoted attack on four Democratic Congresswomen of color, telling Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez of New York, Ilhan Omar of Minnesota, Ayanna Pressley of Massachusetts and Rashida Tlaib of Michigan to “go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came.” This despite three of the four women being born in the United States, and the other, Omar, being a U.S. citizen.

“Go back where you came from” is among the worst of racist tropes. It divides us by ethnicity and skin color. It says that even if someone is a citizen or legal immigrant, they are not part of the rest of us. That runs contrary to who we should be as Americans, and if Donald Trump didn’t know it when he typed the words, he surely did later when people responded with appropriate outrage. But the same president who referred to African and Haitian nations as “#^&#^&#^&#^&hole countries” and said African visitors would never “go back to their huts” once again doubled down on his racism.

It’s dangerous, destructive behavior, and at the least every Republican lawmaker in Congress should declare as much about their president’s outburst. That includes North Carolina’s most senior leaders, Sens. Richard Burr and Thom Tillis. We know this isn’t easy politically, especially for Tillis, who is running for reelection and faces a Republican primary challenger in a race to see who can embrace the president more fully. Tillis, of course, has a history of comically wavering on Trump — standing up then backing down on issues that include the Mueller investigation and the president’s declaration of a national emergency at the southern border.

North Carolina’s lawmakers, however, are far from the only Republicans to struggle with Trump’s troubling tendencies. A handful have dared to step forward and criticize the president, only to equivocate when everyone else takes a step back. Most have instead decided that any criticism of Trump — be it for policy or problematic behavior — is not worth the heat that follows.

The result is that the Republican Party is firmly Donald Trump’s party now. It’s the party where insults and other ugliness are just being “rough around the edges.” It’s the party where locking legal migrants in crowded, unhealthy cages is acceptable immigration policy. It’s the party where it’s OK to say racist things so long as the next jobs report is encouraging.

If you don’t believe it, listen to the meekness today from Republicans, including those who represent our state. Instead of standing up for who we should be, they’re bowing to the worst of who we are.

On Monday morning, after Trump tweeted demanding an apology from the women he’d attacked, he posed a hypothetical: “If Democrats want to unite around the foul language & racist hatred spewed from the mouths and actions of these very unpopular & unrepresentative Congresswomen, it will be interesting to see how it plays out.”

Trump, the master of projection, is at it again here. If you want to see the effect when a political party unites around foul language and racist hatred spewed from the mouth of an unpopular and unrepresentative politician, the Trumplicking Party serves that purpose too.

3.8% and 27000

Trump supporters love Trump

he fights back

he's not politician

he speaks his mind

hes a alpha male

grabs pussy


they love him

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.), Ilhan Omar (D-Minn.), Ayanna Pressley (D-Mass.) and Rashida Tlaib (D-Mich.),

lets throw Megan Rapinoe for colored hair and liking pussy ..

these women do what they were elected to do by the people in there districts (just like Tump) but the right attacks them for pushing back against Trump .. for attacking the dear leader, in the same manner trump attacks others ...

strike one against them in a conservatives mind They are women

Strike 2 they aren't white women ( the one who is a lesbian more outrage ) and 2 are muslim.. (can you imagine we come to this as a country (muslim's in office the right felt the same way with drinking from the same water fountain )

Strike 3 their insolence is outrageous how dare the speak against the POTUS or things that are happening in the country or Israel

Now Trump demands they apologize to our Country, the people of Israel and even to the Office of the President, for the foul language they have used, and the terrible things they have said,”

Amazing truly amazing words spoke as if he has never cast a stone against anyone :btu:

i’m fairly certain that the gop opposition to those 4 has little to do with race, and everything to do with the nutty policies they endorse - open borders, comparing ICE to Nazis, green new deal, single payer healthcare, reparations, elimination of student loan debt, etc... its very easy to dismiss the gop if you try to paint them as racists. it’s a lot harder to debate their policies, which is exactly why your side ignores their policies and calls them
racists instead.

i’ll ask again. is it racist to say that Somalia is a dysfunctional country with a crime problem?
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3.8% and 27000

paul is it “racist” to say that Somalia is a terribly dysfunctional country with a crime problem? does Trump have a history of being a lot gentler to white people who attack him? or is he pretty much a jerk to all of his adversaries? if he treats these 4 the same as he treats everyone else, how is it racist?
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When asked if he was concerned white nationalists might be pleased by the president's suggestions the women leave the country, Trump said, "It doesn't concern me because many people agree with me."

paul is it “racist” to say that Somalia is a terribly dysfunctional country with a crime problem? does Trump have a history of being a lot gentler to white people who attack him? or is he pretty much a jerk to all of his adversaries? if he treats these 4 the same as he treats everyone else, how is it racist?
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So being rude/jerk to someone and saying racist things to someone else is the same? If he is a jerk to everyone - he is a jerk. If he makes racist comments - he is racist.

He certainly gets his panties in a bunch when a women of color pisses him off.

Last week his racist son said Harris wasn't an American Black. The racist apple doesn't fall far from the racist tree.

So being rude/jerk to someone and saying racist things to someone else is the same? If he is a jerk to everyone - he is a jerk. If he makes racist comments - he is racist.

He certainly gets his panties in a bunch when a women of color pisses him off.

Last week his racist son said Harris wasn't an American Black. The racist apple doesn't fall far from the racist tree.

racism and garden variety jerkiness are very different. however, i see no racism in his idiotic comments, which were also a huge gift to democrats. it was so stupid.
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So being rude/jerk to someone and saying racist things to someone else is the same? If he is a jerk to everyone - he is a jerk. If he makes racist comments - he is racist.

He certainly gets his panties in a bunch when a women of color pisses him off.

Last week his racist son said Harris wasn't an American Black. The racist apple doesn't fall far from the racist tree.

which son said that? that’s pretty stupid too.
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It was a conservative belief, way back in the time of WFB jr that manners and mores mattered.
The core belief was that life is based on the family and family values mattered, that setting a good example for your children and the people around you was of importance.
That service to your family, community and church was valued and was recognized by your peers as of value.
That while laws are needed, they matter little to people of character because they would break few of them anyways.
That civil discourse was needed for our society to succeed and that all that contributed to it on any side are important.
I see little of that in the Republican Party of today.
It's fine to condemn the other side but the first responsibility is to police yourself.
A wise man can hold his tongue, but at some point you become complicit.
If bigotry and racism become normal, then it is the silent majorities fault and burden to bear.
So you need to think about whom you choose to lead, what they say matters.

That while laws are needed, they matter little to people of character because they would break few of them anyways.
That civil discourse was needed for our society to succeed and that all that contributed to it on any side are important.
I see little of that in the Republican Party of today.


given where you must look to
get your news, it’s no shock that you see little of that. you can’t form
your entire opinion of republicans, based on what someone says who hates republicans.

go eat lunch at a chick fil
a, go hang out with people
who volunteer to read to sick children at catholic hospitals. turn off msnbc for
a moment.

what could the gop do regarding trumps behavior, that would satisfy you? should they have him assassinated?

they aren’t going to commit political
suicide, nor should
they. regarding his go back to where they come
from remark, graham said trump
should stick to criticizing their marxist agenda and a higher with his behavior. i’m fine with that. as you would
be if hilary had won and she behaved atrociously.
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It was a conservative belief, way back in the time of WFB jr that manners and mores mattered.
The core belief was that life is based on the family and family values mattered, that setting a good example for your children and the people around you was of importance.
That service to your family, community and church was valued and was recognized by your peers as of value.
That while laws are needed, they matter little to people of character because they would break few of them anyways.
That civil discourse was needed for our society to succeed and that all that contributed to it on any side are important.


hmm, funny, but those are pretty much Jim's core values, as well as most of the people on this board. But because they havent lost their GD minds over Trump, they're just Alt-Right/Trumplicans.

i’ll ask again. is it racist to say that Somalia is a dysfunctional country with a crime problem?
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Why ask a question that has no relevance with the topic? Or what Trump said .. when you explain your rationale i will happly answer your question. Ive been to many places in the world id call #^&#^&#^&#^& holes and for many different reasons
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Many folks here like to criticize without giving back. Soup kitchens need help in every town still,but let’s use that money for housing criminals at the border instead of preventing the illegal actions. Inner city charities need sponsors and tax and spend isn’t going to help. Must be Trumps fault.
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Why ask a question that has no relevance with the topic? Or what Trump said .. when you explain your rationale i will happly answer your question. Ive been to many places in the world id call #^&#^&#^&#^& holes and for many different reasons
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it’s very relevant, trump said that their home countries were broken and crime infested, and people are saying that comment was racist. the only one not born here, is from somalia.
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hmm, funny, but those are pretty much Jim's core values, as well as most of the people on this board. But because they havent lost their GD minds over Trump, they're just Alt-Right/Trumplicans.

agreed and thanks.
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If Trump recent comments have shocked you, clearly you haven’t been paying attention, it’s just more of the same. Get under his skin and his MO is personal attacks, it’s so predictable I wish there were lottery tickets I could play gambling on who he would attack next💰💰💰
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Are we supposed to take him seriously but not literally but maybe figuratively and also jokingly and perhaps hypothetically but never ironically or always cynically?

Depends on the context. Well . . . for a normal person context would matter. For you the context re Trump is always that he's a racist or one of the phobes or stupid, and always that he is dangerous.

I find him to be a refreshing divergence from the politics as usual that has mostly been a slow erosion of our country's wealth, power, spirit, optimism, and love of freedom, into a debt ridden, self doubting, apologetic, splintered nation of a constantly growing number of government dependents envious of those who succeed beyond the lower middle, and who, along with the anemically educated, social justice indoctrinated intellectual lightweights, are the useful idiots that help drive the transformation of this nation into the Progressive promised land of security and happiness for all--brought to you by our god-like infallible experts who will never fail to give you what you need--what you really need, not your stupid little wishes and desires, you silly boy.

Trump gave us a little reprieve from the anesthetizing media and political mental massaging "good" narrative that molded us into the new age people of the planet, the globe, the world "community."

But, because he frightened them, perplexed them, somehow beyond reason, beyond anything they could comprehend, he somehow defeated their good global person, he brought forth from the depths of this soulless "community" its brainwashed human harpies who screech bad words--racist, homophobe, thisphobe, thatphobe, sexist, misogynist, hater, Nazi, fascist--at him and at those who preferred him to one of their own good "world" persons. And even sometimes, like robots from their hellish bowels, some come forth with black masks and beat his supporters with rods and fists and throwing concrete laden "milk shakes" in their faces and screeching the bad words at them.

So, because Trump has somehow reverted America back to its selfish, jingo, nation centered, capitalist, outmoded individualist, successful, unapologetically wealthy and powerful place and people, the bad words cannot stop. They must continue and grow. They must be thrown at everything he says and does. Every day, every hour. He must be impeached. He must be convicted. He must be removed. He is DANGEROUS.

So how are we to take you?

Wow someone really needs to seek help, too much coolaid has really caused harm, but hey I love how your constantly looking for the next wordsmith post to strut your stuff; always makes me smile.
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Wow someone really needs to seek help, too much coolaid has really caused harm, but hey I love how your constantly looking for the next wordsmith post to strut your stuff; always makes me smile.
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Your profound little sentence made me smile too. Hey . . . we're good for each other. :love:

In my corporate past if Trump were not the owner or CEO and made those comments about fellow workers, guess who would be meeting with the HR director shortly after, in the hopes the company wouldn’t be facing a legal issues. Hey I’m happy he stepped in it, because while he may have gotten a high five from the old wonder bread he is preaching to, he may have stopped the infighting on the left and he certainly screwed himself on a major voting block.
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it’s very relevant, trump said that their home countries were broken and crime infested, and people are saying that comment was racist. the only one not born here, is from somalia.
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Three of them are native born Americans. Are you agreeing with Trump saying America is a country whose governments are a complete and total catastrophe, the worst, most corrupt and inept anywhere in the world?
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In my corporate past if Trump were not the owner or CEO and made those comments about fellow workers, guess who would be meeting with the HR director shortly after, in the hopes the company wouldn’t be facing a legal issues. Hey I’m happy he stepped in it, because while he may have gotten a high five from the old wonder bread he is preaching to, he may have stopped the infighting on the left and he certainly screwed himself on a major voting block.
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So you're saying the owner or CEO could make those comments? Hmmm . . . . So it's not the comments, it's who makes them. If a Dem pol said something like that about some "racist" or "Nazi" Republican Trumplican politician, that would probably be OK with Trump hating folks.

Personally, I don't see what's so outrageous about Trump's full tweet. It certainly wasn't racist. Calling it racist is hogwash. To begin with, countries are not races. And they were personal, said to specific persons, not to generalized races.

And those specific persons, in the eyes of many, deserved a dressing down. When Pelosi called them out, she did so because they deserved it. And the notion that the countries that their parents ran from, and which Trump criticized, are consistently defended by the ladies against US actions, including US wishes to equalize trade with, or get cooperation on illegal immigration, or defending Israel, it makes one wonder where those ladies loyalty resides. And if there is more loyalty in the hearts of those ladies to their ancestral countries than to the US, I would applaud the ladies if they spent their energies and comments on improving the condition of those countries. I have often thought that those who flee their countries in droves to come here because where they came from are chitholes, that it would be better for all of us, including those they left behind, if they had stayed and fought to make their homeland what they want this country to be.

given where you must look to
get your news, it’s no shock that you see little of that. you can’t form
your entire opinion of republicans, based on what someone says who hates republicans.

go eat lunch at a chick fil
a, go hang out with people
who volunteer to read to sick children at catholic hospitals. turn off msnbc for
a moment.

what could the gop do regarding trumps behavior, that would satisfy you? should they have him assassinated?

they aren’t going to commit political
suicide, nor should
they. regarding his go back to where they come
from remark, graham said trump
should stick to criticizing their marxist agenda and a higher with his behavior. i’m fine with that. as you would
be if hilary had won and she behaved atrociously.
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Have you read his tweets?
Have you watched his helicopter news conferences?
Watched his rallies?
Looked at news reports other than right of center?
I’m on two local government boards and the board of another organization. Hardly liberal organizations.
Sorry but There’s not one of those places where you claim correct thinking people assemble within 75 miles of me. I must be missing out by not going to fast food restaurants or being a catholic.
As far as his behavior it’s as easy as saying what you said is unacceptable. Politicians have done it for hundreds of years in this country. It’s ghastly that trump has such control of his minions in Congress that criticism is political suicide.
Lindsey Graham has gone from never trump to trump’s asskisser in two years because he’s scared. Watch the link I posted, nothing fake there but Lindsey.
As far as Hillary goes your reading comprehension must suck.
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Have you read his tweets?
Have you watched his helicopter news conferences?
Watched his rallies?
Looked at news reports other than right of center?
I’m on two local government boards and the board of another organization. Hardly liberal organizations.
Sorry but There’s not one of those places where you claim correct thinking people assemble within 75 miles of me. I must be missing out by not going to fast food restaurants or being a catholic.
As far as his behavior it’s as easy as saying what you said is unacceptable. Politicians have done it for hundreds of years in this country. It’s ghastly that trump has such control of his minions in Congress that criticism is political suicide.
Lindsey Graham has gone from never trump to trump’s asskisser in two years because he’s scared. Watch the link I posted, nothing fake there but Lindsey.
As far as Hillary goes your reading comprehension must suck.
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So you judge the entire GOP, tens of millions of people, by the actions of one man, Trump. Sounds fair and rational.

Can I judge you based on what elizabeth warren says and does? Or AOC? Or Anthone Weiner? or Hilary Clinton?

"Lindsey Graham has gone from never trump to trump’s asskisser"

Graham bashed Trump just yesterday for his "go back where you came from" comments. Graham was very critical of Trump, just yesterday. Your issue, is that you divide the world into 2 groups...those as deranged and blinded with trump hatred as you are, and everyone else is a Trump asskisser. No in between, not with you. ANyone (like me and Graham) who praises him sometimes, and criticizes him sometimes, is a Trumplican. TDF nailed it. I'll probably stop responding to you, there's literally no point, your entire perspective is orange man bad, you have nothing else, you aren't capable of seeing or hearing anything else. Look at the threads you've posted since he got elected.

Great response to an angry man. Homeschooling VT style doesn’t fly here.
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So you judge the entire GOP, tens of millions of people, by the actions of one man, Trump. Sounds fair and rational.

Can I judge you based on what elizabeth warren says and does? Or AOC? Or Anthone Weiner? or Hilary Clinton?

"Lindsey Graham has gone from never trump to trump’s asskisser"

Graham bashed Trump just yesterday for his "go back where you came from" comments. Graham was very critical of Trump, just yesterday. Your issue, is that you divide the world into 2 groups...those as deranged and blinded with trump hatred as you are, and everyone else is a Trump asskisser. No in between, not with you. ANyone (like me and Graham) who praises him sometimes, and criticizes him sometimes, is a Trumplican. TDF nailed it. I'll probably stop responding to you, there's literally no point, your entire perspective is orange man bad, you have nothing else, you aren't capable of seeing or hearing anything else. Look at the threads you've posted since he got elected.

I had to look to find what set you off, is this it? I’ll stand by it.
“So you need to think about whom you choose to lead, what they say matters.”

You keep insisting that if I despise Trump I must like liberal politicians.

Silly boy, I believe all Americans have the right to a political voice.

Trump doesn’t, as evidenced in his speech and his response to Grahams “criticism”.

“I disagree with Lindsey on that,” he said. “He said, ‘Aim higher, shoot higher.’ What am I going to do, wait until we get somebody else in a higher position, higher office? These are people that hate our country.”

I don’t find this acceptable, apparently you do.

AOC and I probably don’t agree on a single policy issue. But I don’t believe she “hates” America. I believe she & I believe in different America’s. And I will defend her right to say whatever she wants to say. And I will never demand she leaves this country because we disagree.

As I’ve said many times, I feel no need to praise Trump, he already claims more than he deserves.
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Great response to an angry man. Homeschooling VT style doesn’t fly here.
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Said the angry man
We didn’t but I’ve seen some very successful homeschooled kids grow up. Better than average students, parents efforts count.
School Board member 20+ years ago. I did a few terms, some as chairman.
Great rural school and one of the lowest per pupil costs in the state.
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PeteF. Take a step back and it is easy to see angry malcontents. They are the ones running around acting like chicken little. My sky is not falling. Similar to Trump,you beat your chest,again.
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democrats should stop electing communists and sending them to Washington

democrats are sad because trump thrives in the political sewer that they themselves created and presided over for so long....he's the monster that they created and now he's chasing them around the building :jester:..in the political environment that the democrats have created....nice guys only get neutered...democrats hurl hurtful insults every day....quit whining

democrats should stop electing communists and sending them to Washington

democrats are sad because trump thrives in the political sewer that they themselves created and presided over for so long....he's the monster that they created and now he's chasing them around the building :jester:..in the political environment that the democrats have created....nice guys only get neutered...democrats hurl hurtful insults every day....quit whining

they absolutely created the septic tank that is DC, and then they are appalled when the right nominated someone who could
beat them at the game of fighting without rules. they assumed
we’d keep nominating nice but wimpy folks who could
not defend themselves in that arena. As always, they were wrong.
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democrats should stop electing communists and sending them to Washington..quit whining

Republicans who publicly venerate a former communist exKGB Officer have no right to call anyone a communist. They admire Kim Jong Un and Xi JinPin - both hardcore communists They’re literally commie lovers!
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.quit whining

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xms8iV8ae-c&t=37s
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it’s very relevant, trump said that their home countries were broken and crime infested, and people are saying that comment was racist. the only one not born here, is from somalia.
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Only a true blue Trump enabler would defend Trump with the one not born here was.... what 11 years old when she came to the US .. and you and Trump fail to understand not being born here doesn't make you less of a citizen.. but clearly you feel that it does
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Hey Trump claimed he is the lest racist person he knows and we all know he never lies, so he must have some really racist friends. If it looks like a duck, waddles like a duck and quacks like a duck it’s a fing duck. Now if you are current serving in the Senate and are republican, or have become drunk on the coolaid, you somehow see a swan. It Trump proving yet again who he is.
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Only a true blue Trump enabler would defend Trump with the one not born here was.... what 11 years old when she came to the US .. and you and Trump fail to understand not being born here doesn't make you less of a citizen.. but clearly you feel that it does
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i’m not defending trump. i’ll go very slowly here, please try to follow the bouncing ball.

i asked if its racist to say that somalia is a dysfunctional country. ( answer- it’s not racist, because it is in fact a terrible place).

you said that question isn’t relevant.

i said it is relevant because it’s a part of his tweet that he’s getting slammed for.

now you say i’m defending him.

it was a stupid offensive tweet. but not racist.

and the more i think about it, the less of a problem i have, with telling 4 hens who clearly hate everything this country was founded upon, to get lost if they hate it that much. he shouldn’t have said go back where you came from, but if he said “you obviously hate everything the country is and stands for, so i have good news for you, you are free to leave”, id have been ok with that.

AOC is too stupid to be dangerous, she’s a harmless punchline, who i believe is actually doing more good for the GOP than could be done by any republican who could
ever win that district.

Omar is a very different animal. a reporter asked her if she would
condemn the antifa terrorist attack at an ICE facility he tried to incinerate, and she refused to condemn it, and i’m not making that up. that one is a manchurian candidate who loathes the country that took her in. she is scary. when you can’t condemn an obvious act of domestic terrorism, you have no business being in congress.
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video of Omar refusing to condemn domestic terrorism, and that's not any kind of exaggeration.

the left never stops perpetrating the myth that trump refuses to condemn white supremacists. well here is Omar in all off her radically anti-american glory, refusing to condemn domestic terrorism.
that could have killed dozens. how in christ’s name did this one get elected.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/ilhan-omar-refuses-to-answer-reporter-asking-if-she-condemns-antifa-firebomb-attack
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and you and Trump fail to understand not being born here doesn't make you less of a citizen.. but clearly you feel that it does

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this is the message the democrats keep sending to the folks sneaking into the country or coming in as a result of our generosity and refusing to leave

and you and Trump fail to understand not being born here doesn't make you less of a citizen.. but clearly you feel that it does
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i’ll give you $100
in cash if you can post anything i’ve ever said, that would
make anyone with an IQ of 50 or
higher, think that i feel that way. or
kindly admit you made it up. I’m serious, $100 in cash for
any evidence to support that bullsh*t claim you just made. i condemned what trump said, are you so slow and dim that you missed the 5 times
that i said it was an offensive tweet?

if anything, immigrants who come
here legally and become citizens, are better citizens, because unlike many of us, they don’t take the beauty and opportunity of this place for granted. they work hard, do the right things, and view education as a gift from god, many of them send their kids, first generation born here, to college. that’s the stereotype of the legal immigrant. that’s the ideal, classic, stereotypical immigrant, someone who grabs the opportunities we offer with both hands.

is that clear enough for you? or are you still a bit fuzzy?


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I don't think Trump said that all Americans do not have a right to a political voice. Or any other voice, for that matter. This appears to be another one of your many, many lies re Trump.
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“I disagree with Lindsey on that,” he said. “He said, ‘Aim higher, shoot higher.’ What am I going to do, wait until we get somebody else in a higher position, higher office? These are people that hate our country.”

I don’t find this acceptable, apparently you do.

Sounds reasonable (acceptable, you seem to place yourself in some position of moral judge who accepts or doesn't). Lindsay also said “We all know that AOC and this crowd are a bunch of communists,” “They hate Israel. They hate our own country. They’re calling the guards along our border — Border Patrol agents — concentration camp guards. They accuse people who support Israel of doing it for the Benjamins. They’re anti-Semitic. They’re anti-America."

Do you find that "acceptable"?

AOC and I probably don’t agree on a single policy issue. But I don’t believe she “hates” America. I believe she & I believe in different America’s. And I will defend her right to say whatever she wants to say. And I will never demand she leaves this country because we disagree.

Trump didn't "demand" that she leaves this country.

As I’ve said many times, I feel no need to praise Trump, he already claims more than he deserves.
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Yessir judge PeteF, you accept your verdict that Trump claims more than he deserves. In what universe are your incessant anti-Trump comments more "acceptable" than Trump's?

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if anything, immigrants who come
here legally and become citizens, are better citizens, because unlike many of us, they don’t take the beauty and opportunity of this place for granted. they work hard, do the right things, and view education as a gift from god, many of them send their kids, first generation born here, to college.

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yup...love legal immigration...I believe we have the highest percentage of immigrants on earth...and....I've repeatedly offered to keep two illegal immigrants for every 1 democrat we can deport

i’m not defending trump. i’ll go very slowly here, please try to follow the bouncing ball.

i asked if its racist to say that somalia is a dysfunctional country. ( answer- it’s not racist, because it is in fact a terrible place).

you said that question isn’t relevant.

i said it is relevant because it’s a part of his tweet that he’s getting slammed for.
The tweet is below,please point out where, read slowly if you need to

now you say i’m defending him.

it was a stupid offensive tweet. but not racist.

I would say the words of a Xenophobic Bigot might be more appropriate to describe trump, here's a link to a dictionary
https://www.dictionary.com/

and the more i think about it, the less of a problem i have, with telling 4 hens who clearly hate everything this country was founded upon, to get lost if they hate it that much. he shouldn’t have said go back where you came from, but if he said “you obviously hate everything the country is and stands for, so i have good news for you, you are free to leave”, id have been ok with that.

Odd that they would work to win an election to a post in a government that you claim they hate. Try this on for size: intolerance toward those who hold different opinions from oneself, it's the definition of bigot.

AOC is too stupid to be dangerous, she’s a harmless punchline, who i believe is actually doing more good for the GOP than could be done by any republican who could ever win that district.

Omar is a very different animal. a reporter asked her if she would
condemn the antifa terrorist attack at an ICE facility he tried to incinerate, and she refused to condemn it, and i’m not making that up. i think she wears a diaper on her head because she has sh*t for brains. that one is a manchurian candidate who loathes the country that took her in. she is scary. when you can’t condemn an obvious act of domestic terrorism, you have no business being in congress.
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If Omar is so evil and powerful as you claim, perhaps she will be impeached. More likely after this term she will fade into history as a sentence or two. You do understand that she is one of 435 members of the House, together with the other 3 Trump refers to they are less than 1%. Lot's of opportunity for them to actually do anything. You should be scared. Hopefully they will do a good job of constituent service.
I've heard Trump called a Manchurian Candidate also, that scares me far more and there is circumstantial evidence that points to it being true.

Trumps tweet
So interesting to see “Progressive” Democrat Congresswomen, who originally came from countries whose governments are a complete and total catastrophe, the worst, most corrupt and inept anywhere in the world (if they even have a functioning government at all), now loudly......
....and viciously telling the people of the United States, the greatest and most powerful Nation on earth, how our government is to be run. Why don’t they go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came. Then come back and show us how....
....it is done. These places need your help badly, you can’t leave fast enough. I’m sure that Nancy Pelosi would be very happy to quickly work out free travel arrangements!

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Silly boy, I believe all Americans have the right to a political voice.

Trump doesn’t, as evidenced in his speech and his response to Grahams “criticism”.




“I disagree with Lindsey on that,” he said. “He said, ‘Aim higher, shoot higher.’ What am I going to do, wait until we get somebody else in a higher position, higher office? These are people that hate our country.”

I don’t find this acceptable, apparently you do.

Sounds reasonable (acceptable, you seem to place yourself in some position of moral judge who accepts or doesn't). Lindsay also said “We all know that AOC and this crowd are a bunch of communists,” “They hate Israel. They hate our own country. They’re calling the guards along our border — Border Patrol agents — concentration camp guards. They accuse people who support Israel of doing it for the Benjamins. They’re anti-Semitic. They’re anti-America."

Do you find that "acceptable"?
[COLOR="Red"]Look where it came from
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4O2Ob1gVRU

AOC and I probably don’t agree on a single policy issue. But I don’t believe she “hates” America. I believe she & I believe in different America’s. And I will defend her right to say whatever she wants to say. And I will never demand she leaves this country because we disagree.

Trump didn't "demand" that she leaves this country.
Did I say he did?

As I’ve said many times, I feel no need to praise Trump, he already claims more than he deserves.
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Yessir judge PeteF, you accept your verdict that Trump claims more than he deserves. In what universe are your incessant anti-Trump comments more "acceptable" than Trump's?


Quite the "bully pulpit" I have here, isn't it?

Thoughtless liberals say Trump is a "xenophobe".

Miriam-Webster definition of xenophobe: one unduly fearful of what is foreign and especially of people of foreign origin

trump is married to a foreigner. So he hates foreigners, but is married to one?

This is about as stupid, as the left saying that John McCain, who adopted a poor black girl, was a racist. It was world-class stupid, but it didn't stop Obama and the media from saying so.

These people are so thoughtless and demonstrably wrong at every turn, it's breathtaking.

Thoughtless liberals say Trump is a "xenophobe".

Miriam-Webster definition of xenophobe: one unduly fearful of what is foreign and especially of people of foreign origin

trump is married to a foreigner. So he hates foreigners, but is married to one?

This is about as stupid, as the left saying that John McCain, who adopted a poor black girl, was a racist. It was world-class stupid, but it didn't stop Obama and the media from saying so.

These people are so thoughtless and demonstrably wrong at every turn, it's breathtaking.

Take a breath, Jim

While I'm glad that you have accepted that Trump is a bigot, as usual you've jumped on something that justifies the leader you acclaim's behavior.

Here's something that explains a little more about common usage and understanding.
The terms xenophobia and racism often overlap, but differ in how the latter encompasses prejudice based on physical characteristics while the former is generally centered on behavior based on the notion of a specified people being adverse to the culture or nation.

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Would @realDonaldTrump ever tell a white immigrant - whether 1st, 2nd, 3rd or 4th+ generation - to "go back to your country"? No. That's why the comments were racist and unacceptable.

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I think some may not understand why telling an African American to go back to your country is racist.

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Would @realDonaldTrump ever tell a white immigrant - whether 1st, 2nd, 3rd or 4th+ generation - to "go back to your country"? No. That's why the comments were racist and unacceptable.

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AOC and Tlaib are white, I know they like to throw that PoC term around alot but....

i’m not defending trump. i’ll go very slowly here, please try to follow the bouncing ball.

i asked if its racist to say that somalia is a dysfunctional country. ( answer- it’s not racist, because it is in fact a terrible place).

you said that question isn’t relevant.

i said it is relevant because it’s a part of his tweet that he’s getting slammed for.

now you say i’m defending him.

it was a stupid offensive tweet. but not racist.

and the more i think about it, the less of a problem i have, with telling 4 hens who clearly hate everything this country was founded upon, to get lost if they hate it that much. he shouldn’t have said go back where you came from, but if he said “you obviously hate everything the country is and stands for, so i have good news for you, you are free to leave”, id have been ok with that.

AOC is too stupid to be dangerous, she’s a harmless punchline, who i believe is actually doing more good for the GOP than could be done by any republican who could
ever win that district.

Omar is a very different animal. a reporter asked her if she would
condemn the antifa terrorist attack at an ICE facility he tried to incinerate, and she refused to condemn it, and i’m not making that up. that one is a manchurian candidate who loathes the country that took her in. she is scary. when you can’t condemn an obvious act of domestic terrorism, you have no business being in congress.
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again the denial is epic ... its amazing in this entire Trump tweet storm somalia is a dysfunctional country is what your mounting your defense of Trump on (stupid offensive tweet. but not racist.) then go on the blame the victim tour LOL

you need to re read some history on that phrase "go home to where you came from" its not as benign as you or trump are trying to suggest .... and any republican who also see's it as Racist get dismissed as RINOS ....

But obama was called divider & chief what does that make Trump:huh:

I think some may not understand why telling an African American to go back to your country is racist.

you’re right. i dont see why it’s racist, he didn’t mention their color, and as you guys have pointed out, trump has a long history of being a vindictive baby to everyone who disagrees with him, regardless of color.

put it this way, if they were all white women from albania, do you have any reason to believe he wouldn’t have said the same thing?

it can only be racist, if his reaction was triggered by their race. i believe his reaction had nothing to do with their race, and everything to do with the fact that he can’t handle criticism.

Paul, is it always racism, when a white person treats a black person poorly? can it ever just be garden variety jerkiness?

despite what liberals clearly believe, it is possible to be obnoxious to a black person, and not be a racist, especially if one is equally obnoxious across the racial spectrum.


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But obama was called divider & chief what does that make Trump:huh:

they were both jerks who were divisive. trump is
much more overtly obnoxious and boorish, but obama also despised his adversaries. No one sits in rev wright’s church for decades and calls him their spiritual advisor, without buying into that racist bile.

not denying anything, except your notion the tweet was racist. what is your proof that his tweet has
anything to do with their race? isn’t trump a vulgar jerk to everyone who attacks him?

JUST BECAUSE they aren’t white, doesn’t mean race played a role. To liberals obsessed with race baiting, the presence of non whites is enough to conclude there was racism. that’s horsesh*t.
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Telling Blacks to leave this country has been a racist statement for many years so to Blacks it is a loaded statement. Google the phrase and see how blacks and Latinos have been taunted by it for years.

"Americans as early as the founding generation believed whiteness was a prerequisite for the exercise of republican virtue. Before the Civil War, there was a decades-long movement to send free and freed blacks back to Africa based on the theory that black people were unfit for and incompatible with democratic life. America’s most restrictive immigration laws were rooted in the idea this was, as the popular 19th-century phrase had it, a “white man’s country,” inherently threatened by the presence of nonwhites and non-Anglo-Saxons, not to mention women."


you’re right. i dont see why it’s racist, he didn’t mention their color, and as you guys have pointed out, trump has a long history of being a vindictive baby to everyone who disagrees with him, regardless of color.

put it this way, if they were all white women from albania, do you have any reason to believe he wouldn’t have said the same thing?

it can only be racist, if his reaction was triggered by their race. i believe his reaction had nothing to do with their race, and everything to do with the fact that he can’t handle criticism.

Paul, is it always racism, when a white person treats a black person poorly? can it ever just be garden variety jerkiness? of course it could be a jerk statement but if you don't love this country, then go back to your country is a loaded statement to blacks - not to me - to blacks. Just like telling me I'm acting like a monkey isn't that big of a deal to me to but to a black it is.

despite what liberals clearly believe, it is possible to be obnoxious to a black person, and not be a racist, especially if one is equally obnoxious across the racial spectrum.


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Shelley Jackson was 7 years old the first time she heard it.

In the early 1970s, Ms. Jackson was among a group of 40 black children who were bused from one side of Los Angeles to integrate a majority-white school across town. One day, a playground squabble ended in a white classmate telling her to go back to Africa.

“That day was the first day that I became aware that maybe we weren’t supposed to be there,” Ms. Jackson, who was born in California, said in an interview, “or that wasn’t our place.”

On Sunday, President Trump used a version of a well-worn insult to tell four congresswomen to “go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came. Then come back and show us how it is done.” All but one are American-born, but all are women of color.

The president’s words reflected a love-it-or-leave-it sentiment that experts say has animated a sense of xenophobia since the dawn of the republic.

But fresh examples persist. Along with more than 4,800 other people who wrote to The New York Times to share their own experiences with the phrase in the hours since Mr. Trump wrote it on Twitter, Ms. Jackson said his words served as a cutting reminder for scores of people who had encountered some version of that phrase throughout their lives, usually when they were speaking out in predominantly white spaces.

“It’s like having a cold glass of water thrown in your face,” Ms. Jackson said, adding that she feels Mr. Trump has emboldened a culture where “you get a pass now to just say the things you only thought before.”

Those who study language and rhetoric say the president’s “go back” comments — or, at least, the sentiment behind them — have roots beginning as far back as the 1600s, when dissidents were banished from American colonies for advocating total religious freedom. Later, a set of laws passed in 1798 allowed the deportation of noncitizens who were considered dangerous, were from hostile nations or had criticized the federal government.

Amos Kiewe, who studies rhetoric at Syracuse University, guessed that the president’s tweet was most likely meant to sow divisions in the Democratic Party — and perhaps kick-start another news cycle that reporters would breathlessly follow — but that it had the side effect of surfacing a phrase with a history that is particularly racially divisive.

“There has always been this xenophobia, fear of the other,” Mr. Kiewe said, “the foreigner, the person who looks different. It has hit different minorities for many decades.”

It was there in 1882, when the Chinese Exclusion Act sought to curb the number of Chinese workers and families entering the United States to find day-labor work, from building railroads to doing laundry. And it was there in the 1840s, when anti-Irish and anti-Catholic sentiment in the United States led to the creation of a nativist political party designed to weed out foreign influence.

One of the prime examples of the “go back” sentiment has roots in the American Colonization Society, a white-led organization that sought to send freed slaves back to Africa. Fodei Batty, an assistant professor of political science at Quinnipiac University, wrote in a 2016 Washington Post analysis that some freed slaves went willingly because they were “disillusioned with the prospects of racial equality in America,” while others who wanted to stay argued that the effort to resettle slaves was a thinly veiled way to purge the United States of black people.

Descendants of those who stayed, Mr. Batty said in an interview, are now familiar with the sort of knee-jerk “go back” slur meant to immediately single out someone from a group where one trait — usually whiteness — is the default.

“You’re making this claim only to adopt a sense of place,” Mr. Batty said, “to put someone in a sense of place and give a sense of the other, that someone is different, without even having an understanding of the implications of those words.”

For African-Americans, the idea of returning to Africa, originally advocated by some whites as a better alternative than servitude, now persists as an angry slur. Outside a Trump rally in Cleveland in 2016, a man was filmed shouting “go back to Africa” at a black woman who was there to protest Mr. Trump.

“Y’all brought us here,” the woman retorted.

From the 4,800 responses The Times received, a common theme seemed to be encountering the slur when speaking up in white spaces, with the targets not limited to African-Americans. Samantha Edwards, a 47-year-old administrative assistant who grew up in Las Vegas, also wrote to The Times to share her story.

In the mid-1990s, she said she and her mother were chased out of a restaurant by two white men who screamed at them to “go back to Mexico.” She said she and her mother had been speaking together in English before the men chased them. Ms. Edwards, who was born in the United States but is of Mexican descent, said her parents avoided teaching her Spanish so she could avoid some of the discrimination they felt.

“It’s frustrating to have a leader of your own country talking like that,” Ms. Edwards said, referring to Mr. Trump. “He’s supposed to represent all of us and he’s not.”

Alanna Daniels, a 33-year-old business analyst from Waco, Tex., said that she often heard different variations of the taunt as a child, depending on which country people thought she was from. Ms. Daniels, who is mixed-race American with a white mother and a black father, said Mr. Trump’s tweet reflected back a version of a “kindergarten, exasperated” insult she has heard throughout her life.

She highlighted the irony that a president who has spent much of his campaign and presidency criticizing his country, often referring to it as a “laughingstock,” is turning that argument back on four congresswomen who have criticized it for other reasons.

“It was almost him saying that ‘this discourse is not for you,’” Ms. Daniels said. “It was almost saying ‘this isn’t yours, you have no skin in the game — literally.’”

On Monday, speaking at a Made in America event showcasing American-made sandals, hot sauce and motorcycles at the White House, Mr. Trump defended himself against assertions that what he said was racist, and that white nationalists were finding common ground with him.

“It doesn’t concern me because many people agree with me,” Mr. Trump said. “All I’m saying is that if they want to leave they can leave. It doesn’t say leave forever.”

Paul, i never said it’s never been used in a racist context, i’m talking about this case. i
live in CT, and i often about our imploding economy, and i cant tell you how many liberals have said to me, “if you don’t like it here, leave.”. this is similar to that.

you’re saying trumps insinuation must be the same insinuation that someone else made when using similar language. that’s funny, because when AOC referred to detention centers as concentration camps and she said “never again”, all the liberals claimed
that she didn’t mean nazi concentration camps, even though the phrase “never again” is a reference to the holicaust.

i have no doubt he’d have said the same thing to 4 white women from albania. i can’t prove it, you can’t disprove it.
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Paul, i never said it’s never been used in a racist context, i’m talking about this case. i
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and that statement means nothing to you bc there has never been a theory or that it has been used by certain people (racists) that you as a white male being in CT is illegitimate - that is the difference.

and that statement means nothing to you bc there has never been a theory or that it has been used by certain people (racists) that you as a white male being in CT is illegitimate - that is the difference.

I know it's different, which is why I said the two were similar, not identical.

Paul, he attacks EVERYONE who disagrees with him, regardless of color, and he does it with no thought, no maturity, no grace, no class. I don't see this as any different. I'm not a racist apologist.

This thread is a great example of snowflakes making a mountain out of a molehill.
Again (they do it a lot)
Trump (he started it)
Is there any way to twist words better than we witness here daily?
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and that statement means nothing to you bc there has never been a theory or that it has been used by certain people (racists) that you as a white male being in CT is illegitimate - that is the difference.

try again in english

try again in english

Seems like Jim is a lot smarter than you as it looks like he understood it
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Yes I understood it., I reject it, but I understand it. Only 1 of the 4 is African American, Paul.

He was obviously not responding to their color, he was responding to their idiotic, totalitarian policies, and the likelihood that they truly hate the country.

In the last 2 weeks, Biden has been called a racist by liberals, and Pelosi has been called a racist by liberals, and obviously neither of them is a racist. So forgive me if your side has lost some credibility on the subject.

GOP Sen. Joni Ernst asked if she thinks Trump tweets are racist: “yes I do. They are American citizens”

GOP Sen. Joni Ernst asked if she thinks Trump tweets are racist: “yes I do. They are American citizens”

Last time I checked, "American Citizen" wasn't a race

Last time I checked, "American Citizen" wasn't a race

right? wtf

Seems like Jim is a lot smarter than you as it looks like he understood it
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he understands liblish...I guess that makes him smarter

Last time I checked, "American Citizen" wasn't a race

You can’t fix stupid
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Last time I checked, "American Citizen" wasn't a race

gee when you put it that way, you demolish that argument. be nice if a us senator knew that.
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AOC and I probably don’t agree on a single policy issue. But I don’t believe she “hates” America. I believe she & I believe in different America’s. And I will defend her right to say whatever she wants to say. And I will never demand she leaves this country because we disagree.

Trump didn't "demand" that she leaves this country.

Did I say he did?

Perhaps I'm wrong, but it seemed clear to me that you were counterpointing Trump's tweet or his rhetoric in general by pointing out you wouldn't do what he does. If not, then I guess you just needed to let us know that you will "never demand she leaves this country because we disagree." Don't know why you needed to tell us that. Thanks, but I really don't care if you would or not. Do you find what she says acceptable?

As I’ve said many times, I feel no need to praise Trump, he already claims more than he deserves.


Yessir judge PeteF, you accept your verdict that Trump claims more than he deserves. In what universe are your incessant anti-Trump comments more "acceptable" than Trump's?

Quite the "bully pulpit" I have here, isn't it?

So because you don't have a bully pulpit your comments are more acceptable than "Trump's"? You are more sarcastic, bitter, hateful, misleading, lying than Trump. Yet you don't find his comments acceptable. You are in your own universe.

any of the liberal snowflakes here complain, or criticize Tlaib, when she referred to the president as a motherf*cker in public, for the camera? Or can we say out loud that you apply very different standards for what’s expected of public servants, depending on party?
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Pathetic,spineless crew.
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This thread is a great example of snowflakes making a mountain out of a molehill.
Again (they do it a lot)
Trump (he started it)
Is there any way to twist words better than we witness here daily?
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The only ones here twisting words are the usual suspects.. whos only interest is being antagonistic like their man child Trump. Birds of feather...
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The only ones here twisting words are the usual suspects.. whos only interest is being antagonistic like their man child Trump. Birds of feather...
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A superb display of partisanship,can I use this as an example?
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The only ones here twisting words are the usual suspects.. whos only interest is being antagonistic like their man child Trump. Birds of feather...
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In the last couple of week, your side has made baseless racism accusations against Biden, Pelosi, and Trump. No twisting there, that's what happened. When you shriek "racism" at Everyone who disagrees with you, when you say that a man who adopts a black daughter is racist because he has the nerve to run against Spence's Messiah, then at some point, you lose credibility. According to the left, everyone who disagrees with them on anything, even liberals who arent as radical as they are, are racist.

What's the limit on fake accusations before you just stop listening to the people making the fake accusations?

Oh, and ICE is running concentration camps. No twisting there, no sir, And Trump created all those detention centers, he didn't inherit them from Obama, right? The GOP created them out of this air, those bastards!! It was never a problem to keep kids in cages, until Trump started doing it. Want to explain that one?

This is how Trump got elected, this exact bullsh*t.

Trump's tweet was a stupid, counterproductive, offensive, divisive, vindictive tweet. It was all of those things. And that reaction makes me a Trumplican to you, because I also say it wasn't racist. It cannot be racist, unless you really think he would have reacted differently if they were white. Have you heard the nasty things he has said about Nancy Pelosi and Rachael Maddow and Rosie O'Donnell?

Pathetic,spineless crew.
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stupid ignorant crew
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Trump on Nancy Pelosi: a “nasty, vindictive, horrible person.”
https://news.yahoo.com/pelosi-on-trumps-personal-insults-in-normandy-im-done-with-him-154512412.html

Trump on Rosie ODonnell: fat pig, dog, slob and disgusting animal
https://www.newser.com/story/210963/rosie-odonnell-responds-to-trump-insult.html

One of my all-time favorites, Trump on Arianna Huffington: unattractive both inside and out. I fully understand why her former husband left her for a man—he made a good decision.”

https://fortune.com/2015/08/09/trump-insult-women-history/

There is a well established pattern of Trump saying horrible things to women who don't like him. This was another example of that.

Here is Trump telling NFL players (black and white) to stand proudly for the country, or else perhaps leave the country...https://www.marketwatch.com/story/trump-to-nfl-players-love-the-anthem-or-leave-the-country-2018-05-24

Finally, how many famous people threatened to leave the country if he got elected? So why can't he spit that back in their face?

In any event, there's all kinds of evidence to suggest that as bad as Trump's tweet was, that it wasn't motivated by the skin color of the people he was referring to. Sorry snowflakes, there's a mountain of evidence suggesting it wasn't racism.

stupid ignorant crew
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A little redundant tough guy, but at least we agree on something.
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A little redundant tough guy, but at least we agree on something.
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Mr. Cookie Puss to you hardo.
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Trump on Nancy Pelosi: a “nasty, vindictive, horrible person.”
https://news.yahoo.com/pelosi-on-trumps-personal-insults-in-normandy-im-done-with-him-154512412.html

Trump on Rosie ODonnell: fat pig, dog, slob and disgusting animal
https://www.newser.com/story/210963/rosie-odonnell-responds-to-trump-insult.html

One of my all-time favorites, Trump on Arianna Huffington: unattractive both inside and out. I fully understand why her former husband left her for a man—he made a good decision.”

https://fortune.com/2015/08/09/trump-insult-women-history/

There is a well established pattern of Trump saying horrible things to women who don't like him. This was another example of that.

Here is Trump telling NFL players (black and white) to stand proudly for the country, or else perhaps leave the country...https://www.marketwatch.com/story/trump-to-nfl-players-love-the-anthem-or-leave-the-country-2018-05-24

Finally, how many famous people threatened to leave the country if he got elected? So why can't he spit that back in their face?

In any event, there's all kinds of evidence to suggest that as bad as Trump's tweet was, that it wasn't motivated by the skin color of the people he was referring to. Sorry snowflakes, there's a mountain of evidence suggesting it wasn't racism.
So you have found a role model for your children to follow
I’m sure they will be happy
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So you have found a role model for your children to follow
I’m sure they will be happy
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So Jim demonstrates why Trump's remark is not racist as you lyingly claim and the best you can do is make some stupid characterization that is obviously not what Jim portrayed or meant (another one of your endless and persistent lies). Keep it up and you will be more like your version of Trump than Trump is.

So Jim demonstrates why Trump's remark is not racist as you lyingly claim and the best you can do is make some stupid characterization that is obviously not what Jim portrayed or meant (another one of your endless and persistent lies). Keep it up and you will be more like your version of Trump than Trump is.

He claims that trump is not a racist because he will attack anyone in any manner possible, glad you’re impressed. I am not.
Trumplicans may cringe at the actions Jim listed. They may wince at his easily disproved lies. They may somehow shrug off his lack of understanding of government. They may claim the ends justify the means. But he is their guy, leader, example, role model.
He’s the President, son, but don’t act like him.
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He claims that trump is not a racist because he will attack anyone in any manner possible, glad you’re impressed. I am not.
Trumplicans may cringe at the actions Jim listed. They may wince at his easily disproved lies. They may somehow shrug off his lack of understanding of government. They may claim the ends justify the means. But he is their guy, leader, example, role model.
He’s the President, son, but don’t act like him.
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Do you think Jim was trying to impress you or prove a point? Just asking for a friend.
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Do you think Jim was trying to impress you or prove a point? Just asking for a friend.
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Seriously, you have friends? You seem like such a deek.

Seriously, you have friends? You seem like such a deek.

Let him answer and wait your turn Cookie Puss. He will do fine.
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Do you think Jim was trying to impress you or prove a point? Just asking for a friend.
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Jim was trying desperately to prove a point by citing other horrible things Trump has done.
He likely succeeded in establishing at a minimum that Trump is truly a misogynist, but possibly not a racist.

I think Trump is a Xenophobic bigot.

He claims that trump is not a racist because he will attack anyone in any manner possible, glad you’re impressed. I am not.

He was responding to your version of racism. Your version does not stand up to rational and objective scrutiny. As was pointed out by Jim. And Jim was not trying to impress, but to demonstrate how you are wrong. This mode of argument by changing the subject, moving the goalpost, that you constantly employ is another form of lie that you use to squirm out of your own chit. If you're trying to impress with slight of hand, it comes off as very weak.

Trumplicans may cringe at the actions Jim listed. They may wince at his easily disproved lies. They may somehow shrug off his lack of understanding of government. They may claim the ends justify the means.

Putting words in "Trumplican's" mouth, or imputing your version of their motivation is another form of lie. It has been explained why and what motivation drove us to vote for him. It has been pointed out here over and over. So don't lie about having to paint a picture that isn't so. You lie, and lie, and lie, every time you talk about Trump, and you do that incessantly.

But he is their guy, leader, example, role model.
He’s the President, son, but don’t act like him.


Again, you're setting up a strawman lie. He has not been set up as a role model. On the other hand, he is not the frightful monster you lyingly make him out to be.

Jim was trying desperately to prove a point by citing other horrible things Trump has done.

Again, you dip into the bag of your various forms of lying, here you disparage Jim's rational observation by painting it as desperation.

He likely succeeded in establishing at a minimum that Trump is truly a misogynist, but possibly not a racist.

See, that's based on your lying version of misogyny. Saying something negative about a specific woman is not misogynous. And using that lie to squirm out of Jim's "possibly" proving that your lie about Trump being a racist is wrong, is another pathetic attempt to use the moving the goal post lie.

I think Trump is a Xenophobic bigot.

Of course you do. Can you prove that he is. Or is your mission just to throw the notion out there, hoping it sticks?

Again, you're setting up a strawman lie. He has not been set up as a role model. On the other hand, he is not the frightful monster you lyingly make him out to be.

Trump is certainly not a role model in my house.

Was Obama? Smoker, tried cocaine, his spiritual mentor (Rev Wright) was a racist maniac who hates America, his political mentor (Bill Ayers) is a domestic terrorist who hates America, his wife openly admitted that she was never proud of her country until he got the democratic nomination, Obama made fun of Special Olympians, blah, blah, blah.

I gave up a long time ago on looking to Wahsington DC to find role models. And that's fine, results are more important. Same with my company, I'd rather have a CEO who is a total pr*ck but who is effective, than a nice guy who can't do anything right.

Again, you're setting up a strawman lie. He has not been set up as a role model. On the other hand, he is not the frightful monster you lyingly make him out to be.

Your Stable Genius isn't Racist is the title of the thread

Your opinion differs from mine, so should I label yours as a lie?
Your constant refrain is that anything critical of Dear Leader is a lie and very weak.

I have not seen a quantitative study of all voters to determine exactly why Trump was elected, have you? Yet you claim to speak for all.

You claim that the President is not a role model?

I certainly agree that is true in this case.

Of course you do. Can you prove that he is. Or is your mission just to throw the notion out there, hoping it sticks?

Trump is married to a foreigner. So if he's a xenophpobe (one who dislikes foreigners), he's not a very good xenophobe, is he.

Jim was trying desperately to prove a point by citing other horrible things Trump has done.
He likely succeeded in establishing at a minimum that Trump is truly a misogynist, but possibly not a racist.

I think Trump is a Xenophobic bigot.

I get it,you don’t like Trump and waste no time in displaying such. You read a lot about him and have become an expert at exploiting his actions that offend you. You have never given him his due for any of his accomplishments and like to call him names. So rather than just answering a question with any fairness you contrive ways to call him out at any and every opportunity. You apply rules to him that are acceptable elsewhere and act like you have exposed him. You are suffering mentally under his guidance and it has encompassed your very being. This is TDS and the fishing website is your therapy. You have my pity. But at least you won’t be calling him a racist anymore.
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pelosi called
trump a xenophobe yesterday. can someone explain to me, how someone who married an immigrant, can be a xenophobe?

McCain who adopted a black girl, was racist. And trump whos married to an immigrant, is a xenophobe.

what’s the % proof in that kool aid, anyway?
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Of course you do. Can you prove that he is. Or is your mission just to throw the notion out there, hoping it sticks?

One instance does not make one a misogynist or racist, repeated behavior is needed.
Jim cited numerous examples of Trump denigrating women.

It sticks for most people, without me throwing anything out.

pelosi called
trump a xenophobe yesterday. can someone explain to me, how someone who married an immigrant, can be a xenophobe?

McCain who adopted a black girl, was racist. And trump whos married to an immigrant, is a xenophobe.

what’s the % proof in that kool aid, anyway?
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There are two types of xenophobia:

The first type is cultural in nature. Those who are xenophobic are so against the objects and elements of a culture, such as clothing or language.
The second type of xenophobia is when an entire group is not considered part of the society. This can result, most often, from a mass immigration by one group into a country, though xenophobia can be present in relation to groups in the society who joined the community quite some time ago. This type of xenophobia can result in hostility and violence on a lower level up to greater persecution of the group through genocide.

Your Stable Genius isn't Racist is the title of the thread

Should I be responding the title of this thread rather than to the comments you make in it?

Your opinion differs from mine, so should I label yours as a lie?

That would be one of the definitions of a lie that is used against Trump. So go ahead and do it. That would be another one of your lies.

I have not said because your opinion differs from mine that you are lying. Is this another of your concocted strawmen?

Your constant refrain is that anything critical of Dear Leader is a lie and very weak.

And yet another lie. I only point out the lies. I agree with valid criticism, and see no point in chirping me too.

have not seen a quantitative study of all voters to determine exactly why Trump was elected, have you? Yet you claim to speak for all.

The sample of voters on this forum is what I was going by, and whose views are clearly represented here which you either have seen since you respond to them, or your so blinded by your hate of Trump that you must twist them into something that they are not.

You claim that the President is not a role model?

I certainly agree that is true in this case.

We sort of agree. I didn't say he is not a role model. I said he was not set up as a role model. I don't think about it on that term. It's a very subjective view. Some things about Trump are admirable. Some things are not. I like what he's doing more than several of our past Presidents.

Let him answer and wait your turn Cookie Puss. He will do fine.
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So what do you and your "friend" do? Call each other up at 6 in the morning and discuss people's posts and figure out how to respond? Or do you call up your "friend" and say do you believe what so and so said? Why can't your "friend" ask the question himself?

One instance does not make one a misogynist or racist, repeated behavior is needed.
Jim cited numerous examples of Trump denigrating women.

No, there are billions of specific women on the planet. Many or all of them can have negative things said about them. That would not be misogyny unless they were being disparaged simply because they are women. It's not about the number of women. It's about the nature of the denigration.

Besides, Trump has said many things about many women that are positive and praising. And has promoted various women, including in the workplace. It is obvious, if you're honest and objective, that he is not a misogynist.

It sticks for most people, without me throwing anything out.

Have you taken a survey of most people?

There are two types of xenophobia:

The first type is cultural in nature. Those who are xenophobic are so against the objects and elements of a culture, such as clothing or language.
The second type of xenophobia is when an entire group is not considered part of the society. This can result, most often, from a mass immigration by one group into a country, though xenophobia can be present in relation to groups in the society who joined the community quite some time ago. This type of xenophobia can result in hostility and violence on a lower level up to greater persecution of the group through genocide.

Neither of those types apply to what Trump said.

Neither of those types apply to what Trump said.

In your opinion
Trump defined a group and then suggested they leave our society.

"Progressive” Democrat Congresswomen, who originally came from countries"

The second type of xenophobia is when an entire group is not considered part of the society.

Have you taken a survey of most people?
I just commissioned it, just for you.

Here are a few interviews of the woman he promoted

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/apr/27/donald-trump-barbara-res-woman-card

https://www.thedailybeast.com/former-donald-trump-executive-hes-a-supreme-sexist?ref=scroll

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/ex-trump-employee-speaks-out-on-his-treatment-of-women-104728/

So what do you and your "friend" do? Call each other up at 6 in the morning and discuss people's posts and figure out how to respond? Or do you call up your "friend" and say do you believe what so and so said? Why can't your "friend" ask the question himself?

Don't make fun of him, imaginary friends are good for children to have.

In your opinion
Trump defined a group and then suggested they leave our society.

"Progressive” Democrat Congresswomen, who originally came from countries"

He didn't "suggest" they leave our society. He said go fix those countries' problems then come back and tell us how it is done.

The second type of xenophobia is when an entire group is not considered part of the society.

Trump did not say that Progressive Democrat Congresswomen from other countries are not a part of our society.

I just commissioned it, just for you.

Here are a few interviews of the woman he promoted

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/apr/27/donald-trump-barbara-res-woman-card

https://www.thedailybeast.com/former-donald-trump-executive-hes-a-supreme-sexist?ref=scroll

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/ex-trump-employee-speaks-out-on-his-treatment-of-women-104728/

Three articles all about the same woman saying the same thing. This is supposed to be a survey of "most people"?

And this woman said that she won’t go as far as to call him a misogynist, and that "he was pretty respectful of me overall."

Three articles all about the same woman saying the same thing. This is supposed to be a survey of "most people"?

And this woman said that she won’t go as far as to call him a misogynist, and that "he was pretty respectful of me overall."

The survey was a joke, I suppose you honestly thought I'd do a survey just for you. Keep an eye on Trump's tweets if it's close to favorable he'll post the results, though I would check his numbers they are usually a little off in his favor. Just puffery, I'm sure.

Here's a few other excerpts from Barbara Res's interviews. I have seen other former employees interviewed but I don't remember their names. I have yet to see a former employee of Trumps say he would be a great President or even a good one. Google is your friend, feel free to show that is incorrect.

But over the years, I saw him change.
“I think he’s a supreme sexist,” Res said. She won’t go as far as to call him a misogynist, however, although she freely uses another M-word: megalomaniac.

“He’s terribly sexist. He’s a womanizer for sure,” she said. “He hired me for a specific reason: Because I was really good. And he told me, and he believed this, that women had to work harder and be smarter and were willing to work harder than men, and that’s what he wanted, and he had a couple of women working for him… ‘Men are better than women,’ he said, ‘but a good woman is better than 10 men.’ I think he thought I would take it as a compliment, and I think it was intended as a compliment.”

Don't make fun of him, imaginary friends are good for children to have.

Surveys say they are also good for adults. Kind of like you and Cookie Puss.
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Surveys say they are also good for adults. Kind of like you and Cookie Puss.
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So is your imaginary friend Hug-Me Bear or Fudgie the Whale?

Thank You for acknowledging that you have political discourse with a person who calls Carvel names at others. That is more deserved than you obviously care to admit. We get it,you don’t like Trump. Do you honestly believe you are xposing him to anybody who has been paying attention? Do you hope to change some minds regarding their support for Trump? Just curious to know what motivates this obsession. Is this your form of protest?
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Thank You for acknowledging that you have political discourse with a person who calls Carvel names at others. That is more deserved than you obviously care to admit. We get it,you don’t like Trump. Do you honestly believe you are xposing him to anybody who has been paying attention? Do you hope to change some minds regarding their support for Trump? Just curious to know what motivates this obsession. Is this your form of protest?
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Have had
Go discuss it with your imaginary friends
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Have you taken a survey of most people?
Here’s the poll you requested
https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwj5w6CTp73jAhVOhOAKHfWWBP4QzPwBegQIARAC&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.usatoday.com%2Fstory%2Fnews% 2Fpolitics%2F2019%2F07%2F17%2Ftrump-tweets-poll-unamerican-offensive-partisan-divide%2F1748737001%2F&psig=AOvVaw0sUs2aKHa_DCSywMxkxmUZ&ust=1563499364853811
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QUOTE=Pete F.;1170418]The survey was a joke,

Then the joke was on you. We were discussing Trump being a misogynist. Res said she wouldn't call him a misogynist. Your joke sided with my point that he is not a misogynist, and certainly didn't support your contention that he is.

I suppose you honestly thought I'd do a survey just for you.

I didn't ask you to do a survey (of most people on the subject of Trump being a misogynist). I asked if you had done one. And your joke survey, of one person, would not say he is a misogynist. You got hit in the head with your joke that turned out to be a boomerang.

Here's a few other excerpts from Barbara Res's interviews. I have seen other former employees interviewed but I don't remember their names. I have yet to see a former employee of Trumps say he would be a great President or even a good one. Google is your friend, feel free to show that is incorrect.

So you want to move on to another subject. So what? Your friend google will help you find people who think he is a good President . . . some who even think he is a great one. But I'm not impressed or persuaded by popularity type polls. From what I see, when he doesn't have to battle naysayers and liars like you, he's doing a good job. Regardless of what Res says.

But over the years, I saw him change.
“I think he’s a supreme sexist,” Res said. She won’t go as far as to call him a misogynist, however, although she freely uses another M-word: megalomaniac.

“He’s terribly sexist. He’s a womanizer for sure,” she said. “He hired me for a specific reason: Because I was really good. And he told me, and he believed this, that women had to work harder and be smarter and were willing to work harder than men, and that’s what he wanted, and he had a couple of women working for him… ‘Men are better than women,’ he said, ‘but a good woman is better than 10 men.’ I think he thought I would take it as a compliment, and I think it was intended as a compliment.”[/QUOTE]

I don't know what a supreme sexist is. Trump might be one. I don't know. But he doesn't appear to be more of a womanizer (certainly not while being President) than some of the Dems most beloved Presidents. So I don't see what being a womanizer has to do with how good a job a President does.

Have had
Go discuss it with your imaginary friends
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Isn’t that what we are doing?
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Here’s the poll you requested
https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwj5w6CTp73jAhVOhOAKHfWWBP4QzPwBegQIARAC&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.usatoday.com%2Fstory%2Fnews% 2Fpolitics%2F2019%2F07%2F17%2Ftrump-tweets-poll-unamerican-offensive-partisan-divide%2F1748737001%2F&psig=AOvVaw0sUs2aKHa_DCSywMxkxmUZ&ust=1563499364853811


I didn't request a poll. And the poll of most Americans that I asked if you had done, was regarding Trump being a misogynist. This poll that you erroneously think (lied a la standards applied to Trump) I requested says that a majority of Americans think that Trump's remarks are offensive. It has no survey about him being a misogynist. Trump doesn't mind being offensive. It seems that he often intends to be so. Often, or usually, it's tit for tat. The four congresswomen in this dispute have been very offensive with comments about Trump before Trump hit back.

Of course, you don't object to offensive remarks about Trump.

Trump MAGA Rally Crowd Chants "Send Her Back" To Rep. Ilhan Omar. They found their new voodo doll. And its a trafecta
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she said 9/11 was some people
doing something, she cannot stand jews, she refused to condemn the antifa attack on an immigration detention facility, she slandered soldiers killed in somalia. i’d say “send her back” is over the top, but clearly she hates what the country stands for. AOC is a harmless punchline. Omar is dangerous.

you reap what you sow wayne.
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Jim...you speak liblish...can you translate trafecta for me please?

Jim...you speak liblish...can you translate trafecta for me please?

If I had to guess, he means she is a "trifecta" for all the bigots and hatemongers on our side - she's a woman, a Muslim, and non-white. A deplorable's jackpot, if you will.

Therefore, when I criticize her for saying 9/11 was nothing more than "some people did something", it's not possible that I could have a rational, valid reason to criticize that comment. According to liberals, the only reason why that comment bothers me, is because the person who made the comment is brown and a muslim and doesn't have a wee-wee. It's not that she said something extremely stupid and offensive, it's that I'm a bigot. Do you see?

This is the same exact logic that leads them to believe that Trump criticized these women only because of their skin color. It's also the same exact logic that led Fredo Ocasio-Cortez to claim that Pelosi only criticizes them because of their skin color.

I have often said that it must be very nice to be anointed with "victim" status by liberals. Because once you have been so anointed, you can no longer be justly criticized for anything you say or do. Never. Any criticism of you, is necessarily bigotry.

If I had to guess, he means she is a "trifecta" for all the bigots and hatemongers on our side - she's a woman, a Muslim, and non-white. A deplorable's jackpot, if you will.


3 Victim Statuses, 1 Person

davon haben wir nichts gewusst

If 20 high school students chanted this at a classmate how many would be expelled? If 20 employees yelled this at a colleague how many would be fired? If 20 Army soldiers aimed this at a platoon mate how many would be discharged? How much of US will accept this as a new standard?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7ubLTtP88U

Therefore, when I criticize her for saying 9/11 was nothing more than "some people did something", it's not possible that I could have a rational, valid reason to criticize that comment.

What you are claiming is incorrect and takes words out of context to prove your point.

Here is the full quote, perhaps you can show what is evil about this.

"Here’s the truth. For far too long we have lived with the discomfort of being a second-class citizen and, frankly, I’m tired of it, and every single Muslim in this country should be tired of it. [The Council on American-Islamic Relations] was founded after 9/11 because they recognized that some people did something and that all of us were starting to lose access to our civil liberties. So you can’t just say that today someone is looking at me strange and that I am trying to make myself look pleasant. You have to say that this person is looking at me strange, I am not comfortable with it, and I am going to talk to them and ask them why. Because that is the right you have."

she said 9/11 was some people
doing something, she cannot stand jews, she refused to condemn the antifa attack on an immigration detention facility, she slandered soldiers killed in somalia. i’d say “send her back” is over the top, but clearly she hates what the country stands for. AOC is a harmless punchline. Omar is dangerous.
And this kids is what intolerance looks like.

And this kids is what intolerance looks like.

jim is intolerant of anti-American communists and that's a bad thing?

If 20 high school students chanted this at a classmate how many would be expelled? If 20 employees yelled this at a colleague how many would be fired? If 20 Army soldiers aimed this at a platoon mate how many would be discharged? How much of US will accept this as a new standard?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7ubLTtP88U

chanted it at an innocent classmate? or at a classmate running for student council
on the platform that 09/11 was no big deal?
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What you are claiming is incorrect and takes words out of context to prove your point.

Here is the full quote, perhaps you can show what is evil about this.

"Here’s the truth. For far too long we have lived with the discomfort of being a second-class citizen and, frankly, I’m tired of it, and every single Muslim in this country should be tired of it. [The Council on American-Islamic Relations] was founded after 9/11 because they recognized that some people did something and that all of us were starting to lose access to our civil liberties. So you can’t just say that today someone is looking at me strange and that I am trying to make myself look pleasant. You have to say that this person is looking at me strange, I am not comfortable with it, and I am going to talk to them and ask them why. Because that is the right you have."

Is that full quote less offensive? is it less dismissive of the attack?
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And this kids is what intolerance looks like.

i didn’t say throw her in prison. i said i don’t want her writing federal
law.

this folks, is what a chronic
obama masturbator looks like.
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And this kids is what intolerance looks like.

Are you referring to the anti Semite from Somalia?
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Trump MAGA Rally Crowd Chants "Send Her Back" To Rep. Ilhan Omar. They found their new voodo doll. And its a trafecta
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Maybe they were talking about Minnesota :huh:

Is that full quote less offensive? is it less dismissive of the attack?
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Where does this say anything close to what you claim?
What is Un-American or even out of order in this speech?
Is this different than what you would hope people would do?
Or do you think that all Muslims are terrorists?

Muslims for a really long time in this country have been told that there is a privilege, that there is a privilege that we are given, and it might be taken away. We are told that we should be appropriate, we should go to school, get an education, raise our children and not bother anyone, not make any kind of noise. Don’t make anyone uncomfortable — be a good Muslim. But no matter how much we have tried to be the best neighbor, people have always worked on finding a way to not allow for every single civil liberty to be extended to us. So the truth is, you can go to school and be a good student. You can listen to your dad and mom and become a doctor. You can have that beautiful wedding that makes mom and dad happy. You can buy that beautiful house. But none of that stuff matters if you one day show up to the hospital and your wife, or maybe yourself, is having a baby, and you can’t have the access that you need because someone doesn’t recognize you as fully human.

It doesn’t matter how good you were if you can’t have your prayer mat and take your 15-minute break to go pray in a country that was founded on religious liberty. It doesn’t matter how good you are if you one day find yourself in a school where other religions are talked about, but when Islam is mentioned, we are only talking about terrorists. And if you say something, you are sent to the principal’s office. So to me, I say, raise hell; make people uncomfortable.

Because here’s the truth — here’s the truth: For too long, we have lived with the discomfort of being a second-class citizen, and frankly, I’m tired of it, and every single Muslim in this country should be tired of it. CAIR was founded after 9/11 because they recognized that some people did something and that all of us were starting to lose access to our civil liberties. So you can’t just say that today someone is looking at me strange, that I am going to try to make myself look pleasant. You have to say, “This person is looking at me strange. I am not comfortable with it. I am going to go talk to them and ask them why.” Because that is a right you have.

... I say you can’t hate up close. You can’t hate up close. Any time you have an opportunity to go talk with someone, the chances of them hating you lessen. So that is a practice we all should adopt.

The U.S. Equal Employment Opportunity Commission (EEOC) specifically cites the phrase "Go back to where you came from" as the type of language that could violate anti-discrimination employment laws in certain circumstances. The phrase is nearly identical to what Mr. Trump wrote in his tweets about the congresswomen: "Why don't they go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came."

"Ethnic slurs and other verbal or physical conduct because of nationality are illegal if they are severe or pervasive and create an intimidating, hostile or offensive working environment, interfere with work performance, or negatively affect job opportunities," the EEOC's website says. "Examples of potentially unlawful conduct include insults, taunting, or ethnic epithets, such as making fun of a person's foreign accent or comments like, 'Go back to where you came from,' whether made by supervisors or by co-workers."

she said 9/11 was some people
doing something, she cannot stand jews, she refused to condemn the antifa attack on an immigration detention facility, she slandered soldiers killed in somalia. i’d say “send her back” is over the top, but clearly she hates what the country stands for. AOC is a harmless punchline. Omar is dangerous.

you reap what you sow wayne.
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Representative @IlhanMN co-sponsored a bill meant to help VICTIMS of 9/11.

The Republican Party BLOCKED the bill then told its sponsor to go back to Africa.

Trumplicans call this “patriotism.”

Is that full quote less offensive? is it less dismissive of the attack?
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Be honest your upset because she didn't say Muslims did it .. it as easy as that

jim is intolerant of anti-American communists and that's a bad thing?

who determines who is or isn't Anti American what's the standard for you and others


to warrant the Anti American sticker

Be honest your upset because she didn't say Muslims did it .. it as easy as that

stop speaking for me, you really stink at it.

if she said it was a terrible day and thousands of families were devastated, i’d have been fine with that. i don’t expect that maniac to admit muslims did it. but saying “some people did something” is very trump-like in terms of how unnecessarily offensive and insulting it is. her only concern about 9/11 in that speech, was that it made life harder for
muslims, not a syllable about 3,000 innocent people burned/crushed to death.

she’s completely deranged.
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who determines who is or isn't Anti American what's the standard for you and others


to warrant the Anti American sticker

it’s like art, i can’t define it, but we knows it when we sees it.

she hates jews, disparages soldiers killed while trying to feed people in her native Somalia ( she’s always so grateful, isnt she), she said 09/11 was some people
doing something, she’s been very slow to condemn gays being stoned to death, and to condemn antifa retrying to firebomb an ice detention center, and supports the notion that federal law enforcement officers are running concentration camps.

unamerican sounds fairly accurate to me.
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Meh, December 7, 1941 was just some people flying over Hawaii :rolleyes:

Some feel burning a flag is anti American. Some feel others fought for their right to do so. Perspective I guess. I am sure guys like PeteF. and WDSMO want them in their corner and would celebrate their actions as patriots.
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Some feel burning a flag is anti American. Some feel others fought for their right to do so. Perspective I guess. I am sure guys like PeteF. and WDSMO want them in their corner and would celebrate their actions as patriots.
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Some this some people. That.. what about you.. chris. where you stand always seems to be absent in most of responses ..

This anti Americanism labeling from the right is beyond omar. Shes the new face of the base anger... sorry but American 1st slogan has run its predictable course and morphed into the hate filled rants of The Potus .. the mob behaviour seen at his latest rally.. and Trump and minions now. trying to put the genie back in its bottle ... good luck
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Some this some people. That.. what about you.. chris. where you stand always seems to be absent in most of responses ..

This anti Americanism labeling from the right is beyond omar. Shes the new face of the base anger... sorry but American 1st slogan has run its predictable course and morphed into the hate filled rants of The Potus .. the mob behaviour seen at his latest rally.. and Trump and minions now. trying to put the genie back in its bottle ... good luck
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you’re saying the president shouldn’t proudly put america first?
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I heard that in response to "Make America Great Again" the democrats are unveiling their theme for 2020

"'No Borders, No Walls, No USA at All' :huh:

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I thought that was AOC?

have we declared "squad" a dirty word yet? :laugha:

stop speaking for me, you really stink at it.

if she said it was a terrible day and thousands of families were devastated, i’d have been fine with that. i don’t expect that maniac to admit muslims did it. but saying “some people did something” is very trump-like in terms of how unnecessarily offensive and insulting it is. her only concern about 9/11 in that speech, was that it made life harder for
muslims, not a syllable about 3,000 innocent people burned/crushed to death.

she’s completely deranged.
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Talk about speaking for someone youve got that down with omar looking for a response that had nothing to do with the question... yet you can see some people did that as proof of her hating America
So with your logic george takei when he writes about his feeling and his family's feeling with being in an internment camp.. he 1st should say how horrible pearl harbor was an the hardships for those lives lost as.. the cause of his situation.? Any thing less in un American?


But Trump saying go back to where you came from.. and it means nothing ???? JIM Do you get your info on her from Trump. Look at this gem

TRUMP
“Well, there is a lot of talk about the fact that she was married to her brother. I know nothing about it.”
— in remarks to reporters on Wednesday

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I am in the camp where I believe you have the right to burn the flag and I have the right to discourage such.
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I believe burning the American flag is anti-American

I believe that you have the right to burn the flag

I believe that I have the right to say that you are anti-American for burning the flag

I believe that you have the right to criticize me for criticizing you for burning the American flag....

see how that works?

I believe burning the American flag is anti-American

I believe that you have the right to burn the flag

I believe that I have the right to say that you are anti-American for burning the flag

I believe that you have the right to criticize me for criticizing you for burning the American flag....

see how that works?
I agree 100% not to speak for you. But i am going to guess we are not just taking about flag burning ..
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I agree 100% not to speak for you. But i am going to guess we are not just taking about flag burning ..
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maybe expand...I'm not clear on what you are saying

Talk about speaking for someone youve got that down with omar looking for a response that had nothing to do with the question... yet you can see some people did that as proof of her hating America
So with your logic george takei when he writes about his feeling and his family's feeling with being in an internment camp.. he 1st should say how horrible pearl harbor was an the hardships for those lives lost as.. the cause of his situation.? Any thing less in un American?


But Trump saying go back to where you came from.. and it means nothing ???? JIM Do you get your info on her from Trump. Look at this gem

TRUMP
“Well, there is a lot of talk about the fact that she was married to her brother. I know nothing about it.”
— in remarks to reporters on Wednesday

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I'm going to annihilate you here, so get ready, OK?

"Talk about speaking for someone youve got that down with omar looking "

I am not speaking for her. I am responding to an exact quote of what she said. She said 9/11 was "some people did something". And the only victims she showed any concern for in that speech, were fellow Muslims who surely had it rough in the days after 9/11, but not nearly as rough as thousands of American families who had loved ones get burned to death. If you are OK with her description of 09/11, that's your right, but I'm sure most Americans find it deeply offensive, as you certainly would if any Republican said it.

Because that's the rub. You and Pete and Spence can't say anything critical of a democrat. every post you make here can be boiled down to liberal=good, conservative=bad. No exceptions. You are all exactly as thoughtless as Sean Hannity, you're exactly the same. Liberal=good, conservative=bad.

"proof of her hating America"

My proof that she hates America has been laid out already, based on exact statements that she does not deny making. God knows what she says when she knows there are no cameras on her.

"So with your logic george takei when he writes about his feeling and his family's feeling with being in an internment camp.. he 1st should say how horrible pearl harbor was an the hardships for those lives lost "

If we put Muslims in internment camps after 9/11, you would have a brilliant point. But unless I missed it, we didn't, so you have NO POINT. On the eve of 9/11, on that very day, President Bush said that the religion of Islam was not responsible, and that most Muslims were good people. Is that the same as putting them in internment camp?

How did you come up with internment camps anyway? Did someone tell you that we put Muslims in interment camps after 9/11? Or will you fabricate ANYTHING, in order to avoid having to criticize a liberal?

"But Trump saying go back to where you came from.. and it means nothing ???? "

I really think there's something wrong with you. I said many times in these threads, that "go back where you came from" is over the top, offensive, stupid, and divisive. Is that not clear enough for you? Are you still going to claim that I'm a Trump apologist? Or can you be honest for ONCE?

"Do you get your info on her from Trump. "

You tell me which of these things is a made up Republican lie about her, OK?

She says that people who like Israel have questionable loyalty to the US, that theres challenge to that dual loyalty.

She said that Jews do thing for the benjamins, baby.

She said that 9/11 happened because America meddles in the affairs of other countries. There may be some truth to that as they didn't pick us at random, but it's an offensive thing to say out loud.

She says that US Servicemen in Somalis (who were there to help HER HOME COUNTRY for f*uck's sake), killed thousands of civilians.

She supports the notion that the US is operating concentration camps at the border.

She refused to condemn the Antifa domestic terrorist attack on an ICE detention facility.

These are the reasons I despise her. Now you go ahead and tell us, if any of these are fabricated, if I'm just blindly following Trump.


Go ahead, show us all what a moron I am, tell us which of those things I made up.

Is there anything to the rumors about her brother? I saw on CNN last night that she filed taxes two years jointly with her current husband, while she was still legally married to her former husband. Is CNN Trump-run TV now?

If she married her brother for an immigration scam, I'd like to know. If she didn't, no one should say she did. Fair enough?

Is there anything to the rumors about her brother? I saw on CNN last night that she filed taxes two years jointly with her current husband, while she was still legally married to her former husband. Is CNN Trump-run TV now?

If she married her brother for an immigration scam, I'd like to know. If she didn't, no one should say she did. Fair enough?

Rumors about her brother? I saw that on CNN and they said those rumors had no basis at all and where an ugly slander. Did you turn the channel bf that part of the story?

Rumors about her brother? I saw that on CNN and they said those rumors had no basis at all and where an ugly slander. Did you turn the channel bf that part of the story?

Spoiler...Paul watches CNN

Shocker...if they said then it certainly must be true.
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I'm going to annihilate you here, so get ready, OK?

"Talk about speaking for someone youve got that down with omar looking "

I am not speaking for her. I am responding to an exact quote of what she said. She said 9/11 was "some people did something". And the only victims she showed any concern for in that speech, were fellow Muslims who surely had it rough in the days after 9/11, but not nearly as rough as thousands of American families who had loved ones get burned to death. If you are OK with her description of 09/11, that's your right, but I'm sure most Americans find it deeply offensive, as you certainly would if any Republican said it.

Because that's the rub. You and Pete and Spence can't say anything critical of a democrat. every post you make here can be boiled down to liberal=good, conservative=bad. No exceptions. You are all exactly as thoughtless as Sean Hannity, you're exactly the same. Liberal=good, conservative=bad.

"proof of her hating America"

My proof that she hates America has been laid out already, based on exact statements that she does not deny making. God knows what she says when she knows there are no cameras on her.

"So with your logic george takei when he writes about his feeling and his family's feeling with being in an internment camp.. he 1st should say how horrible pearl harbor was an the hardships for those lives lost "

If we put Muslims in internment camps after 9/11, you would have a brilliant point. But unless I missed it, we didn't, so you have NO POINT. On the eve of 9/11, on that very day, President Bush said that the religion of Islam was not responsible, and that most Muslims were good people. Is that the same as putting them in internment camp?

clearly you dont understand my point you expect omar to express some deeper feeling about 9\11 when she was speaking how it impacted her and her community... same with Takei does he need t preface pearl harbor attack in his book to move you to accept his criticism

How did you come up with internment camps anyway? Did someone tell you that we put Muslims in interment camps after 9/11? Or will you fabricate ANYTHING, in order to avoid having to criticize a liberal?

"But Trump saying go back to where you came from.. and it means nothing ???? "

I really think there's something wrong with you. I said many times in these threads, that "go back where you came from" is over the top, offensive, stupid, and divisive. Is that not clear enough for you? Are you still going to claim that I'm a Trump apologist? Or can you be honest for ONCE?

But saying its a racist is to far for you i get it

"Do you get your info on her from Trump. "

You tell me which of these things is a made up Republican lie about her, OK?

She says that people who like Israel have questionable loyalty to the US, that there's challenge to that dual loyalty. ( not a new sentiment)

She said that Jews do thing for the benjamins, baby. ( for buying off congress )

She said that 9/11 happened because America meddles in the affairs of other countries. There may be some truth to that as they didn't pick us at random, but it's an offensive thing to say out loud. (why because there might be some truth in it?)

She says that US Servicemen in Somalis (who were there to help HER HOME COUNTRY for f*uck's sake), killed thousands of civilians. (another true statement same in Iraq Robert Oakley, the ambassador to Somalia under President George Bush, said in a 1998 interview that he believed between 1,500 to 2,000 Somalis were killed and wounded.
not all were combatants

She supports the notion that the US is operating concentration camps at the border. i would say concentration camps is an unacceptable comparison used for shock value or as trump supports would say hyperbole not anti semitic yet fox compares border detention centers for children to “summer camps” clearly the conditions are not acceptable

She refused to condemn the Antifa domestic terrorist attack on an ICE detention facility. another leap Jim she didn't answer a question you mean the 69 year old friends described him as an "anarchist" and "anti-fascist," funny found no connection with him being Antifa

These are the reasons I despise her. Now you go ahead and tell us, if any of these are fabricated, if I'm just blindly following Trump.


Go ahead, show us all what a moron I am, tell us which of those things I made up.

Jim Basically you made up all of your own interpretations . presenting them as Truth .. Trump does the same thing

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/18/us/politics/trump-ilhan-omar-fact-check.html

I know its the falling NY times but its interesting

Spoiler...Paul watches CNN

Shocker...if they said then it certainly must be true.
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Shocker SD has nothing to add. Did your secret "friend" tell you to post that?

Rumors about her brother? I saw that on CNN and they said those rumors had no basis at all and where an ugly slander. Did you turn the channel bf that part of the story?

maybe. they didn’t say anything about her brother. they said she filed taxes under status married filing jointly, and that they name she filed with us her current husband, but that at the time she filed as his wife, she was legally married to her former husband. had nothing to do with her brother.
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Rumors about her brother? I saw that on CNN and they said those rumors had no basis at all and where an ugly slander. Did you turn the channel bf that part of the story?

Paul forget about rumors regarding her brother. are you ok with the things she has said
about jews, about 9/11, about american soldiers, about border patrol running concentration camps? is she all that much better than Trump in terms of how divisive and offensive she is?
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maybe. they didn’t say anything about her brother. they said she filed taxes under status married filing jointly, and that they name she filed with us her current husband, but that at the time she filed as his wife, she was legally married to her former husband. had nothing to do with her brother.
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But you brought up those ugly, scummy lies and now your saying that CNN didn't say anything about her brother after you implied they did? Why would you mention her brother and then talk about CNN? Which is it - they did or they didn't?

But you brought up those ugly, scummy lies and now your saying that CNN didn't say anything about her brother after you implied they did? Why would you mention her brother and then talk about CNN? Which is it - they did or they didn't?

Read my post. What I said I saw on CNN, was a report that indicates that according to taxes, she was married to one man while still legally married to another. I heard nothing on CNN about her brother, that's a rumor I'm hearing elsewhere. OK? I heard about her brother elsewhere, what I heard on CNN was a suggestion that she was married to two people at the same time.

"But you brought up those ugly, scummy lies"

Yawn. What ugly scummy lies did I bring up, exactly? I never said the rumors about her brother were anything but rumors. Everything else I attributed to her, are things that she said and did. If any are fabricated, please let me know which. If you can't disprove them, can you tell me if you're OK with a sitting congresswoman saying and doing those things?

Seems like you're avoiding answering my question, you're responding like others do, not like you do. In any event, please specify which ugly scummy lies I am starting or perpetrating?

Regarding her brother, WDMSO was the one who brought it up, NOT me. I asked if there was anything to it, and I said if it's not true, no one should be saying it is true. You have an issue with that?

You asked about her brother - bc you know there were scummy right wing lies about her being married to her.

Scummy

You did it now live with it.

Jim Basically you made up all of your own interpretations . presenting them as Truth .. Trump does the same thing

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/18/us/politics/trump-ilhan-omar-fact-check.html

I know its the falling NY times but its interesting

The ONLY evidence you have that his comment was racist, is that the people he was criticizing, are not white. A white man saying offensive to a black person, doesn't tell me that there's necessarily racism, especially if that white man has a well documented history of being equally offensive to white people who criticize him. if he's a jerk to everybody, then their skin color played no role, necessarily meaning it's not racism.

You asked about her brother - bc you know there were scummy right wing lies about her being married to her.

Scummy

You did it now live with it.

Here's what I said...see my post...

"Is there anything to the rumors about her brother? I saw on CNN last night that she filed taxes two years jointly with her current husband, while she was still legally married to her former husband. Is CNN Trump-run TV now?

If she married her brother for an immigration scam, I'd like to know. If she didn't, no one should say she did."

What in there, exactly, is scummy? I thought you were the one liberal here better than that...

JIM is correct I posted that Trump brought up the brother rumor.. to expose Trumps willingness to repeat false information.. that many of his supporters not to include jim who repeat is as facts

Regarding her brother, WDMSO was the one who brought it up, NOT me. I asked if there was anything to it, and I said if it's not true, no one should be saying it is true. You have an issue with that?
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A white man saying offensive to a black person, doesn't tell me that there's necessarily racism, especially if that white man has a well documented history of being equally offensive to white people who criticize him. if he's a jerk to everybody, then their skin color played no role, necessarily meaning it's not racism.
Do you need some mustard with that pretzel?

Ilhan Omar and the rest of the "Squad" are Freshman Representatives and as such are each, one of the 435 duly elected people in the House of whom a majority is needed to enact anything and then a majority of 100 Senators need to agree and then The President needs to agree.

The only thing I see is that Trump has gotten all his minions to somehow believe she and the rest of the "Squad" are dangerous and scary, given the vast powers they possess.

He's doing the same lying BS as the birther stuff that propelled him to where he is today.
"Was it a birth certificate? You tell me. Some people say that was not his birth certificate. Maybe it was, maybe it wasn't. I'm saying I don't know. Nobody knows."
“Well, there is a lot of talk about the fact that she was married to her brother. I know nothing about it.”

Why would Trump say it if he or nobody knows?

Yet Trump has yet to tell Bernie, an avowed socialist, to go back to where he came from. What could explain why he says that about Ocasio-Cortez, Pressley, Omar, and Tlaib but not Sanders? I just can’t put my finger on it.

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Which is why I brought it up as rumor, because despite what you claimed, I don't believe everything that comes out of his mouth, especially when he's discussing people he doesn't like. He's a compulsive liar, obviously. Maybe remember that I said that, next time you claim that I instantly believe everything he says?

Do you need some mustard with that pretzel?

Maybe it's twisted to you. My dog would get it.

When a white person is mean to a black person, it doesn't mean he's racist.

If that's too fast for you, good luck.

You asked about her brother - bc you know there were scummy right wing lies about her being married to her.

Scummy

You did it now live with it.

Quick to call me scummy, when I ask what I said that was scummy, I hear crickets.

Ilhan Omar and the rest of the "Squad" are Freshman Representatives and as such are each, one of the 435 duly elected people in the House of whom a majority is needed to enact anything and then a majority of 100 Senators need to agree and then The President needs to agree.

The only thing I see is that Trump has gotten all his minions to somehow believe she and the rest of the "Squad" are dangerous and scary, given the vast powers they possess.

He's doing the same lying BS as the birther stuff that propelled him to where he is today.
"Was it a birth certificate? You tell me. Some people say that was not his birth certificate. Maybe it was, maybe it wasn't. I'm saying I don't know. Nobody knows."
“Well, there is a lot of talk about the fact that she was married to her brother. I know nothing about it.”

Why would Trump say it if he or nobody knows?

Omar said junk about Trump. Trump fires back junk at her. Is that unusual? Seems like a pattern.

Yet Trump has yet to tell Bernie, an avowed socialist, to go back to where he came from. What could explain why he says that about Ocasio-Cortez, Pressley, Omar, and Tlaib but not Sanders? I just can’t put my finger on it.

He has said other junk about Bernie. The connection of going back to where he came from may be harder to stick on Bernie. When you hit, aim for the weak spot.

Why do you have to make it more complicated than it is? Oh, that's right, forgot, you have to work hard to label Trump stuff that he isn't.

Quick to call me scummy, when I ask what I said that was scummy, I hear crickets.

he likes to call you names and then say he's thankful his parents didn't raise him to be someone who calls people names :rotf3: it's pretty funny

Trump told
the kneeling football players, some of who were white, that if they disliked the country, maybe they’d be happier someplace else. i don’t like that statement, but the point is, he said it in the past when it was directed at white people. This is not in dispute, it happened, and it means he is capable of saying it to people of all races, which necessarily means it’s not racist.
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Here's what I said...see my post...

"Is there anything to the rumors about her brother? I saw on CNN last night that she filed taxes two years jointly with her current husband, while she was still legally married to her former husband. Is CNN Trump-run TV now?

If she married her brother for an immigration scam, I'd like to know. If she didn't, no one should say she did."

What in there, exactly, is scummy? I thought you were the one liberal here better than that...

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Jim,

I just got back from the gym so I didn't read this earlier. If I misunderstood your post (and it looks like I did from WDMSO's post) I apologize to you as it looks like you didn't bring the marrying the brother issue up. I'm sorry and should have read the posts.

As a self imposed penalty I will not visit this site until Monday morning and will ride my bike an additional 10 miles further than I was planning Sat. morning in the heat and humidity.

I apologize again.
Paul

Trump said “They never have anything good to say. That’s why I say, ‘Hey if you don’t like it, let ‘em leave, let ‘em leave.’”

Remember this is the man who said these things about America.

"This country is a hellhole, and we're going down fast."

“The American dream, is dead.”

“China, you go there now, roads, bridges, schools, you never saw anything like it,” he marveled. “I love China,” he went on. The U.S.A.? “We’re dying. We’re dying. ... We’ve got nothing.”

His strikingly dark inauguration speech about empty factories “like tombstones across the landscape,” urban decay, crime, gangs drugs, failed education — “this American carnage.”

You can praise dictators, like Trump does, and refuse to criticize Russian President Vladimir Putin for allegedly killing critics because, “Well, I think our country does plenty of killing also.”

Why do you have to make it more complicated than it is? Oh, that's right, forgot, you have to work hard to label Trump stuff that he isn't.


Trump is who he's always been. The question is who Americans are.

About 40% of "us" seem to be exactly like him. The question is whether the remaining 60% can be bothered to defeat them at the ballot box.

Trump said “They never have anything good to say. That’s why I say, ‘Hey if you don’t like it, let ‘em leave, let ‘em leave.’”

Remember this is the man who said these things about America.

"This country is a hellhole, and we're going down fast."

“The American dream, is dead.”

“China, you go there now, roads, bridges, schools, you never saw anything like it,” he marveled. “I love China,” he went on. The U.S.A.? “We’re dying. We’re dying. ... We’ve got nothing.”

His strikingly dark inauguration speech about empty factories “like tombstones across the landscape,” urban decay, crime, gangs drugs, failed education — “this American carnage.”

You can praise dictators, like Trump does, and refuse to criticize Russian President Vladimir Putin for allegedly killing critics because, “Well, I think our country does plenty of killing also.”

Context, my boy, context. He has said many marvelously good things
about this country and negative things about China and Russia in different contexts.

Picking and choosing in order to slant, my boy, is a form of lying.

Jim,

I just got back from the gym so I didn't read this earlier. If I misunderstood your post (and it looks like I did from WDMSO's post) I apologize to you as it looks like you didn't bring the marrying the brother issue up. I'm sorry and should have read the posts.

As a self imposed penalty I will not visit this site until Monday morning and will ride my bike an additional 10 miles further than I was planning Sat. morning in the heat and humidity.

I apologize again.
Paul

No worries you're never like that. all good.

Context, my boy, context. He has said many marvelously good things
about this country and negative things about China and Russia in different contexts.

Picking and choosing in order to slant, my boy, is a form of lying.

Perhaps then you should look at what Trump has picked and chosen to say about Ilhan Omar

The framing of his attacks on Omar often targeted her refugee status, religion and ethnicity, and reveal how much the president is willing to bend the truth to make it seem that Omar is an enemy of the United States.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/jul/18/trump-ilhan-omar-attacks-factcheck

For now, on the right, we have the man with the biggest megaphone in the country leading a mob in chanting for the expulsion of a political opponent — a US citizen! — from the country. I reject most everything that Ilhan Omar stands for, but this is degrading, disgraceful behavior from an American president. This is Two-Minute Hate stuff.

https://www.theamericanconservative.com/larison/trumps-hateful-lies-about-ilhan-omar/

Was it bigoted or racist when democrats in congress tried to have Trump aide Sebastian Gorka deported for political reasons?

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I apologize again.
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you are adorable

Was it bigoted or racist when democrats in congress tried to have Trump aide Sebastian Gorka deported for political reasons?

Several Congressmen wrote to DOJ and DHS asking that they investigate news reports.

How is asking the appropriate authorities having jurisdiction to investigate comparable to lying about a sitting Congresswoman?

Perhaps then you should look at what Trump has picked and chosen to say about Ilhan Omar

Have I ever said that Trump doesn't pick and choose, doesn't slant, doesn't ever lie? I've criticized you when you claim he does when he doesn't. I don't say anything when you are right. And I've said, and demonstrated, that you are guilty of what you accuse him of. A lot. You paint a hyper-distorted picture of him by lying over and over. You also do the same distortion about those who support him.

but this is degrading, disgraceful behavior from an American president. This is Two-Minute Hate stuff.


Again, just as you accuse Trump of degrading and disgraceful stuff, you do likewise. From one to several paragraphs of hate against Trump. And that you don't have as powerful a bully pulpit as he does doesn't mean that it's OK to hypocritically do what you criticize him of, constantly, over and over again.

I may be guilty of that. Point it out when I do. I could learn something and correct it.