Hard to predict the election at this point but there is no doubt it will capture the international headlines for months. Once again, I am sure democracy will win in this great country with the voting system in place. What is open for discussion is how many snowflakes will leave the forum and hibernate in their safe space if the results are the same. Spence,have you planned ahead enough to have another exit strategy?I am looking forward to more celebrities threatening to leave and then going back on their word again.
Just asking for a friend.

2020 is going to be a landslide win for Trump and some of the snowflakes here will have had enough, not be able to go on and suck on a barrel from a shot gun.
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i remember well how i felt
at this point before the 2012 election, i wasn’t happy, the thought of 4 more years was unbearable.
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2020 is going to be a landslide win for Trump and some of the snowflakes here will have had enough, not be able to go on and suck on a barrel from a shot gun.
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Wouldn't wish that on anybody.

Hopefully just more sky screaming and Pu**y hats :hihi:

As long as we have a peaceful transition of Government in less than 2 years or less than 6.

PS, I don't think anyone will be swallowing anything. Think that is a bit much.

2020 is going to be a landslide win for Trump and some of the snowflakes here will have had enough, not be able to go on and suck on a barrel from a shot gun.
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What does this post say about you ?
Just wondering.
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What does this post say about you ?
Just wondering.
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That he thinks about hard elongate things in his mouth is my interpretation
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That he thinks about hard elongate things in his mouth is my interpretation
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Ding ding ding!!!!
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Trump does get his base hard
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I always thank God that my parents raised me not to have hate to even have a thought like that.
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What does this post say about you ?
Just wondering.
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The way I see it my reply says more about you people.
You sit here on a fishing forum and bitch & complain about Trump instead of going out and live your life.
I have little doubt when Trump wins again in 2020 (by a bigger margin) some of you may be to your breaking point.
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it actually says a lot more. And your response says even more.
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Yeah I think I will shut off the Open coverage, cancel my 9:30 tee time and spend the rest of the day building snowmen with my other snowflakes⛄️⛄️⛄️⛄️⛄️⛄️. Or not😂
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it actually says a lot more. And your response says even more.
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Exactly

I wish I could take credit for this excellent recap of most of my own views towards this president, as I too am an independent and have also voted more republican than democrat, but this sums it up for me.

A person asked the question, "Why are people so hostile towards President Donald Trump?"

Before you pass my answer off as “Another Liberal Snowflake” consider that
1.) I'm an independent centrist who has voted Republican way more often in my life than Democrat, and
2.) If you want to call someone who spent the entire decade of his 20’s serving in the Marine Corps a snowflake, I’d be ready to answer the question what did you do with your 20’s?

Why Liberals (And not-so liberals) are against President Trump.

A.) He lies. A LOT. Politifact rates 69% of the words he speaks as “Mostly False or worse” Only 17% of the things he says get a “Mostly True” or better rating. That is an absolutely unbelievable number. How he doesn’t speak more truth by mistake is beyond me. To put it in context, Obama’s rating was 26% mostly false or worse, and I had a problem with that. Many of Trump’s former business associates report that he has always been a compulsive liar, but now he’s the President of the United States, and that’s a problem. And this is a man who expects you to believe him when he points at other people and says “They’re lying”

B.) He’s an authoritarian populist, not a conservative. He advances regressive social policy while proposing to expand federal spending and federalist authority over states, both of which conservatives are supposed to hate.

C.) He pretends at Christianity to court the Religious Right but fails to live anything resembling a Christ-Like Life.

D.) His nationalist “America First” message effectively alienates us and removes us from our place as leaders in the international community.

E.) His ideas on “Keeping us safe” are all thinly veiled ideas to remove our freedoms, he is, after all, an authoritarian first. They also are simply bad ideas.

F.) He couldn’t pass a 3rd-grade civics exam. He doesn't’ know what he’s doing. He doesn't understand how international relations work, he doesn’t understand how federal state or local governments work, and every time someone tries to “Run it like a business” it’s a spectacular failure. See Colorado Springs’ recent history as an example. The Short, Unhappy Life of a Libertarian Paradise And that was a businessman with a MUCH better business track record than Trump. We are talking about a man who lost money owning a freaking gambling casino.

G.) He behaves unethicaly and always has. As a businessman, he constantly left in his wake unpaid contractors and invoices, litigation, broken promises, whatever he could get away with.

H.) He is damaging our relationships with our best international friends while kissing up to nations that do not have our best interests in mind. To his question “Wouldn't’ it be great to have better relations with Russia?” The answer is Yes. But it is RUSSIA who needs to earn that, who must stop doing the things that are damaging to that relationship, or we are simply weaker for it.

I.) He has never seen a shortcut he didn't like, and you can’t take shortcuts in government. “Nuclear Option, Remove the Filibuster, I’ll change the Constitution by Executive Order…Don…what happens when you remove the filibuster and the other side retakes the majority in the Senate? Suddenly want that filibuster back? What happens if you manage to change the Constitution by Executive Order and an Anti-2A President wins the next election?

J.) He behaves and has always behaved as an unabashed racist. Yes, I’ve seen your favorite meme that claims he was never accused of racism before the Democrats…Absolutely false. Donald Trump’s long history of racism, from the 1970s to 2019 See the Central Park 5, the lawsuits and fines resulting from his refusal to lease to black tenants, the 1992 lost appeal trying to overturn penalties for removing black dealers from tables, his remarks to the house native American affairs subcommittee in 1993. The man sees and treats racial groups of people as monoliths.

K.) He is systematically steamrolling regulations specifically designed to keep a disaster like the 2007 subprime mortgage crisis from happening again.

L.) He speaks and acts like a demagogue. He sees the Legislative and Judicial branches of government as inconveniences, blows up at criticism no matter how deserved and actively tries to countermand constitutional processes, not to mention attempts to blackmail and coerce people who are saying negative things about him

M.) His choices for top positions, with the exception of Gen. Mattis, who is a gem, have been horrendous. A secretary of Education without a resume that would get her hired as a small town grammar school principal, A secretary of Energy who didn't know the Department of Energy was responsible for nuclear reserves, an EPA head whose biggest accomplishments to date had been suing the EPA on multiple occasions, an FCC head who while working for Verizon actively lobbied to kill net neutrality, and an Attorney General who thinks pot is “nearly as bad as heroin” and asked Congress for permission to go after legal pot businesses in states where it is legal. (There goes that great Republican States rights rally cry again, right? *Crickets*) An Interim AG after Firing his First AG who’s appointment is probably unconstitutional.

N.) He denies scientific fact. Ever notice that the only people you hear denying climate change are politicians and lobbyists? 99% of actual scientists studying the issue agree that it’s real, man-made and caused by greenhouse gasses. Ever notice that every big disaster movie starts with a bunch of politicians in a room ignoring a scientist's warning?

0.) He does not have the temperament to lead this nation. He is Thin Skinned, childish, and a bully, never mind misogynistic, boorish, rude, and incapable of civil discourse.

P.) He still does not understand that the words he speaks, or tweets, are the official position of 1/3 of the US government, and so does not govern his words. He still thinks when he speaks it’s good ol’ Donald Trump. It’s not. It’s the PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. You have probably spread a meme or two around talking about how no president’s every word has ever been dissected before…YES, THEY ALWAYS HAVE. It’s just that every other president in our lifetime has understood the importance of his words and took great care to govern his speech. Trump blurts out whatever comes to his mind then complains when people talk about what a dumb thing that was to say.

Q.) He’s unqualified. If you owned a small business and were looking for someone to manage it, and an unnamed resume came across your desk and you saw 6 bankruptcies, showing a man who had failed to make money running CASINOS, would you hire him? He is a very poor businessman. This is a man it has been estimated would have been worth $10 BILLION more if he’d just taken what his father had given him, invested it in Index Funds and left it alone.

R.) He is President. But he refuses to take a leadership position and understand that he is everyone’s President. Conservatives complain about liberals chanting “Not my President” while Trump himself behaves as if no one but his supporters matter.

S.) He’s a blatant hypocrite. He spent 8 years bitching Obama out for his family trips, or golfing, or any time he took for himself, and what does he do? He was already on his 20th golf outing in APRIL of his 1st year in office. He constantly rants about respect for the military, yet can’t be bothered to attend the 100th anniversary of Armistice Day because of a little rain. (And that excuse about Marine One not being able to fly in the rain is HILARIOUS.)

T.) He’s a misogynist. It's not really ok in this day and age to be a misogynist, but it’s not a huge deal if you’re a private citizen. It’s a pretty big deal if you hate half the people you’re elected to lead. The disdain for women seeps out of his …whatever…. and he just can’t hide it.

U.) Face it. In any other election “Grab Em’ By the Pussy” would have been the end of that candidate’s chances. Back in the 90’s I used to marvel about how Teflon Bill Clinton was. I no longer do. The fact that he managed to slip by on that is as much a statement about how much people hate Hillary Clinton as it is about what is wrong with politics in this country right now.

V.) He has one response to a differing opinion. Attack. A good leader listens to criticism, to different points of view, is capable of self-reflection, tries to guide people to his point of view, and when necessary stands his ground and defends his convictions. Any of that sound like Trump? His default is not to Lead, its’ to attack. Scorched Earth. The Jim Acosta reaction is a good example. There was no defense of his convictions when Acosta was asking him repeated questions about his rhetoric on the caravan. His response was to attack Acosta.

W.) He takes credit for everything positive while deflecting blame for everything negative. Look at him with the Stock Market. He’s been bragging about it since day one, and to give credit where credit is due, speculation on coming deregulation early in his presidency did fuel some rapid growth, but to pretend that it’s all him, that we’re not in the 9th year of the longest bull market in history and THEN, when the standard market volatility that deregulation inevitably brings about starts to show up? Yeah. Look at yesterday. Hey! Stock Markets losing because the Democrats won! Do I need to bring out the Stock market chart for the last 10 Years again?

X.) He emboldens the worst among us. Counter-protesters are slammed into by a car while countering actual Nazi rally, and the response is there’s fault on “Both Sides” The media is at fault for a nut job sending them and Donald’s favorite targets pipe bombs. The truth is not all Republicans, not all Trump Supporters are racist, fascist lunatics. Many are just taken in by the bombastic personality and are living in an information bubble made worse by the fact that they unfollow anyone and ignore any source of information that makes them feel uncomfortable. People on the left do that too. The Biggest problem the right has right now is that the worst of the Right is the loudest and the most in your face, and the actual right, especially the Freaking PRESIDENT needs to be standing up and saying No. Those are not our values.

Y.) He seems to think the Constitution of The United States, the document that IS who we are, the document he took an oath to support and defend is some sort of inconvenience. He demonstrates a complete lack of understanding of Constitution, from believing he can alter the 14th through executive order, to thinking The free exercise clause in the first amendment somehow supersedes the establishment clause (not that he really understands either) or that the free exercise clause only applies to Christians. Or his attacks on freedom of expression and the press. He repeatedly makes it clear that if he’s read them, he does not understand Articles 1–3, and that’s something he really should have before he took the job, because they’re not going away.

Z.) I’ll use Z for something I do blame him for, but the rest of us have to carry the blame too. Polarization. This country is more politically polarized than I can remember in my lifetime. Some of you who are a few years older than I may remember how it was in the late 60’s when construction workers in New York were being applauded for beating up hippies, I think it’s pretty close to that right now, but that was before my time. And he is the cause of much of the current level polarization, but also the result. It didn't’ start with Trump. We’ve been going down this road I think since the eruption of the Tea Party in the early years of the Obama Administration. I do hope the tide turns before it gets much worse because the thing that scares me more than anything is what if that keeps going the way it has been?”

That is brilliant,nice job
To think that despite all that he is still clearly the greatest president of our lifetime.

Amazing
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That is brilliant,nice job
To think that despite all that he is still clearly the greatest president of our lifetime.

Amazing
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Despite? That's pretty much an accurate summary of his first term so far. Takes me back to the straws, you're the poster boy.

bitter clinger

Despite? That's pretty much an accurate summary of his first term so far. Takes me back to the straws, you're the poster boy.

If you are a two year old, he IS the best president in your lifetime. Sorry... Got lost. I'm out.

Despite? That's pretty much an accurate summary of his first term so far. Takes me back to the straws, you're the poster boy.

So,you tell me about straws that I don’t know about. You seem to have replaced the maga hat with this new prop that Trumplicans put out to bait snowflakes. Now you declare me poster boy. Wow Jeff,have you been lifting?
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I wish I could take credit for this excellent recap of most of my own views towards this president, as I too am an independent and have also voted more republican than democrat, but this sums it up for me.

A person asked the question, "Why are people so hostile towards President Donald Trump?"

Before you pass my answer off as “Another Liberal Snowflake” consider that
1.) I'm an independent centrist who has voted Republican way more often in my life than Democrat, and
2.) If you want to call someone who spent the entire decade of his 20’s serving in the Marine Corps a snowflake, I’d be ready to answer the question what did you do with your 20’s?

Why Liberals (And not-so liberals) are against President Trump.

A.) He lies. A LOT. Politifact rates 69% of the words he speaks as “Mostly False or worse” Only 17% of the things he says get a “Mostly True” or better rating. That is an absolutely unbelievable number. How he doesn’t speak more truth by mistake is beyond me. To put it in context, Obama’s rating was 26% mostly false or worse, and I had a problem with that. Many of Trump’s former business associates report that he has always been a compulsive liar, but now he’s the President of the United States, and that’s a problem. And this is a man who expects you to believe him when he points at other people and says “They’re lying”

B.) He’s an authoritarian populist, not a conservative. He advances regressive social policy while proposing to expand federal spending and federalist authority over states, both of which conservatives are supposed to hate.

C.) He pretends at Christianity to court the Religious Right but fails to live anything resembling a Christ-Like Life.

D.) His nationalist “America First” message effectively alienates us and removes us from our place as leaders in the international community.

E.) His ideas on “Keeping us safe” are all thinly veiled ideas to remove our freedoms, he is, after all, an authoritarian first. They also are simply bad ideas.

F.) He couldn’t pass a 3rd-grade civics exam. He doesn't’ know what he’s doing. He doesn't understand how international relations work, he doesn’t understand how federal state or local governments work, and every time someone tries to “Run it like a business” it’s a spectacular failure. See Colorado Springs’ recent history as an example. The Short, Unhappy Life of a Libertarian Paradise And that was a businessman with a MUCH better business track record than Trump. We are talking about a man who lost money owning a freaking gambling casino.

G.) He behaves unethicaly and always has. As a businessman, he constantly left in his wake unpaid contractors and invoices, litigation, broken promises, whatever he could get away with.

H.) He is damaging our relationships with our best international friends while kissing up to nations that do not have our best interests in mind. To his question “Wouldn't’ it be great to have better relations with Russia?” The answer is Yes. But it is RUSSIA who needs to earn that, who must stop doing the things that are damaging to that relationship, or we are simply weaker for it.

I.) He has never seen a shortcut he didn't like, and you can’t take shortcuts in government. “Nuclear Option, Remove the Filibuster, I’ll change the Constitution by Executive Order…Don…what happens when you remove the filibuster and the other side retakes the majority in the Senate? Suddenly want that filibuster back? What happens if you manage to change the Constitution by Executive Order and an Anti-2A President wins the next election?

J.) He behaves and has always behaved as an unabashed racist. Yes, I’ve seen your favorite meme that claims he was never accused of racism before the Democrats…Absolutely false. Donald Trump’s long history of racism, from the 1970s to 2019 See the Central Park 5, the lawsuits and fines resulting from his refusal to lease to black tenants, the 1992 lost appeal trying to overturn penalties for removing black dealers from tables, his remarks to the house native American affairs subcommittee in 1993. The man sees and treats racial groups of people as monoliths.

K.) He is systematically steamrolling regulations specifically designed to keep a disaster like the 2007 subprime mortgage crisis from happening again.

L.) He speaks and acts like a demagogue. He sees the Legislative and Judicial branches of government as inconveniences, blows up at criticism no matter how deserved and actively tries to countermand constitutional processes, not to mention attempts to blackmail and coerce people who are saying negative things about him

M.) His choices for top positions, with the exception of Gen. Mattis, who is a gem, have been horrendous. A secretary of Education without a resume that would get her hired as a small town grammar school principal, A secretary of Energy who didn't know the Department of Energy was responsible for nuclear reserves, an EPA head whose biggest accomplishments to date had been suing the EPA on multiple occasions, an FCC head who while working for Verizon actively lobbied to kill net neutrality, and an Attorney General who thinks pot is “nearly as bad as heroin” and asked Congress for permission to go after legal pot businesses in states where it is legal. (There goes that great Republican States rights rally cry again, right? *Crickets*) An Interim AG after Firing his First AG who’s appointment is probably unconstitutional.

N.) He denies scientific fact. Ever notice that the only people you hear denying climate change are politicians and lobbyists? 99% of actual scientists studying the issue agree that it’s real, man-made and caused by greenhouse gasses. Ever notice that every big disaster movie starts with a bunch of politicians in a room ignoring a scientist's warning?

0.) He does not have the temperament to lead this nation. He is Thin Skinned, childish, and a bully, never mind misogynistic, boorish, rude, and incapable of civil discourse.

P.) He still does not understand that the words he speaks, or tweets, are the official position of 1/3 of the US government, and so does not govern his words. He still thinks when he speaks it’s good ol’ Donald Trump. It’s not. It’s the PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. You have probably spread a meme or two around talking about how no president’s every word has ever been dissected before…YES, THEY ALWAYS HAVE. It’s just that every other president in our lifetime has understood the importance of his words and took great care to govern his speech. Trump blurts out whatever comes to his mind then complains when people talk about what a dumb thing that was to say.

Q.) He’s unqualified. If you owned a small business and were looking for someone to manage it, and an unnamed resume came across your desk and you saw 6 bankruptcies, showing a man who had failed to make money running CASINOS, would you hire him? He is a very poor businessman. This is a man it has been estimated would have been worth $10 BILLION more if he’d just taken what his father had given him, invested it in Index Funds and left it alone.

R.) He is President. But he refuses to take a leadership position and understand that he is everyone’s President. Conservatives complain about liberals chanting “Not my President” while Trump himself behaves as if no one but his supporters matter.

S.) He’s a blatant hypocrite. He spent 8 years bitching Obama out for his family trips, or golfing, or any time he took for himself, and what does he do? He was already on his 20th golf outing in APRIL of his 1st year in office. He constantly rants about respect for the military, yet can’t be bothered to attend the 100th anniversary of Armistice Day because of a little rain. (And that excuse about Marine One not being able to fly in the rain is HILARIOUS.)

T.) He’s a misogynist. It's not really ok in this day and age to be a misogynist, but it’s not a huge deal if you’re a private citizen. It’s a pretty big deal if you hate half the people you’re elected to lead. The disdain for women seeps out of his …whatever…. and he just can’t hide it.

U.) Face it. In any other election “Grab Em’ By the Pussy” would have been the end of that candidate’s chances. Back in the 90’s I used to marvel about how Teflon Bill Clinton was. I no longer do. The fact that he managed to slip by on that is as much a statement about how much people hate Hillary Clinton as it is about what is wrong with politics in this country right now.

V.) He has one response to a differing opinion. Attack. A good leader listens to criticism, to different points of view, is capable of self-reflection, tries to guide people to his point of view, and when necessary stands his ground and defends his convictions. Any of that sound like Trump? His default is not to Lead, its’ to attack. Scorched Earth. The Jim Acosta reaction is a good example. There was no defense of his convictions when Acosta was asking him repeated questions about his rhetoric on the caravan. His response was to attack Acosta.

W.) He takes credit for everything positive while deflecting blame for everything negative. Look at him with the Stock Market. He’s been bragging about it since day one, and to give credit where credit is due, speculation on coming deregulation early in his presidency did fuel some rapid growth, but to pretend that it’s all him, that we’re not in the 9th year of the longest bull market in history and THEN, when the standard market volatility that deregulation inevitably brings about starts to show up? Yeah. Look at yesterday. Hey! Stock Markets losing because the Democrats won! Do I need to bring out the Stock market chart for the last 10 Years again?

X.) He emboldens the worst among us. Counter-protesters are slammed into by a car while countering actual Nazi rally, and the response is there’s fault on “Both Sides” The media is at fault for a nut job sending them and Donald’s favorite targets pipe bombs. The truth is not all Republicans, not all Trump Supporters are racist, fascist lunatics. Many are just taken in by the bombastic personality and are living in an information bubble made worse by the fact that they unfollow anyone and ignore any source of information that makes them feel uncomfortable. People on the left do that too. The Biggest problem the right has right now is that the worst of the Right is the loudest and the most in your face, and the actual right, especially the Freaking PRESIDENT needs to be standing up and saying No. Those are not our values.

Y.) He seems to think the Constitution of The United States, the document that IS who we are, the document he took an oath to support and defend is some sort of inconvenience. He demonstrates a complete lack of understanding of Constitution, from believing he can alter the 14th through executive order, to thinking The free exercise clause in the first amendment somehow supersedes the establishment clause (not that he really understands either) or that the free exercise clause only applies to Christians. Or his attacks on freedom of expression and the press. He repeatedly makes it clear that if he’s read them, he does not understand Articles 1–3, and that’s something he really should have before he took the job, because they’re not going away.

Z.) I’ll use Z for something I do blame him for, but the rest of us have to carry the blame too. Polarization. This country is more politically polarized than I can remember in my lifetime. Some of you who are a few years older than I may remember how it was in the late 60’s when construction workers in New York were being applauded for beating up hippies, I think it’s pretty close to that right now, but that was before my time. And he is the cause of much of the current level polarization, but also the result. It didn't’ start with Trump. We’ve been going down this road I think since the eruption of the Tea Party in the early years of the Obama Administration. I do hope the tide turns before it gets much worse because the thing that scares me more than anything is what if that keeps going the way it has been?”

The ussual suspects wiill dumb it down.. that you suffer from TDS.. and just hate Trump its simpler that that way .. and they have a weird fetish thing going on with Trump.. his approval ratings go up when they think hes owed libs .. with a stupid comment..
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The ussual suspects wiill dumb it down.. that you suffer from TDS.. and just hate Trump its simpler that that way .. and they have a weird fetish thing going on with Trump.. his approval ratings go up when they think hes owed libs .. with a stupid comment..
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Another one of your amazing posts that absolutely sizzles with logic and proof. Keep saying stuff. Over and over. Finger a rosary bead with each pronouncement. After you've gone through the list of Trump is bad memes, do it over. And over. Fingering the beads. Until your mind, soul, and body are fully mesmerized into the spiritual truth that Trump is the devil.

Since you brought it up

No Sympathy For The Devil

Excerpt from a blog post by Rod Dreher

To my Christian readers, I say this: when you watch Trump work those crowds, do you see the spirit of Havel, do you see the spirit of Wojtyla — or do you see something else? I saw that “something else” in Washington, at the big progressive pussyhat march. I saw it in the mob action against Judge Kavanaugh, and in the mob that attacked the Covington Catholic boys. The examples are endless. The weaponization of rage.

But it’s not just them! A mob that is on the side of justice is no less a mob. I have felt that rage too, and it’s intoxicating. If I had ever in my life been in a position to feel that rage standing shoulder to shoulder with others who felt that rage, and someone we trusted had told us to give in to it, to allow its power to run through our bones and our muscles, and to go forth and take power to work justice on those who hate us — it’s terrifying to contemplate.

This is what it means to surrender to the demonic, to the forces of destruction and vengeance and chaos. Very few people choose to do evil, knowing that it’s evil. We tell ourselves that it’s good. We tell ourselves that as good people, we could not do evil, therefore we find reasons to excuse ourselves, e.g., “Racism is a function of power, so I can’t be racist,” or “At least Trump fights, not like those gutless Republicans.”

“Evil is continuous throughout human experience,” wrote Kolakowski. “The point is not how to make one immune to it, but under what conditions one may identify and restrain the devil.”

This is our task: to identify and restrain the devil. We cannot restrain the devil by using the power of demons. It will consume us too. We will become like those we hate. This is an old lesson, and one that progressives who fight Trump should wake up and take seriously as well.


https://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/no-sympathy-for-the-devil-demonic-trump-politics/

So,you tell me about straws that I don’t know about. You seem to have replaced the maga hat with this new prop that Trumplicans put out to bait snowflakes. Now you declare me poster boy. Wow Jeff,have you been lifting?
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I wouldn't say it's bait as much as the perfect metaphor for a lot of his supporters. You can get them on Ebay BTW.

Thank you for tracking the straws for me Jeff. Consider it mission accomplished. Well done young buck!
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May as well ask Jeff... will you be in a safe place during the coming presidential election? If you need comfort again please ask. Don’t disappear like a titanic douche again,just talk it out.
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Excerpt from a blog post by Rod Dreher

This is our task: to identify and restrain the devil. We cannot restrain the devil by using the power of demons. It will consume us too. We will become like those we hate. This is an old lesson, and one that progressives who fight Trump should wake up and take seriously as well.


Sounds like Rod Dreher is giving you some personal advice. You should quit being more like Trump than Trump is. Restrain the devil in you lest you become like those you hate.

Thank you for tracking the straws for me Jeff. Consider it mission accomplished. Well done young buck!
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it's amusing that the trumplicans have never heard of trump straws and wouldn't know where to get one...however....the dummycraps know all about them and know right where to get them :rotf2:

Moths to the flame
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Sounds like Rod Dreher is giving you some personal advice. You should quit being more like Trump than Trump is. Restrain the devil in you lest you become like those you hate.

I think you missed his point.
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I think you missed his point.
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No, I didn't miss his point. But you missed that his point included you.

No, I didn't miss his point. But you missed that his point included you.
It actually spoke to all, and as one who dissents I concur.
Here’s the first paragraph of his post
I feel the need to explain to you why I am so alarmed by what Trump is doing this week, and more than that, by what is happening in our culture. For you who have read my books, or read this blog for a while, most of this will be old news. I beg your pardon, then, for repeating myself. But this stuff is all personal to me, for reasons I’m about to explain.

What worries me most about Trump and the Trump mob is the fear they give me for dissenters.
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Another one of your amazing posts that absolutely sizzles with logic and proof. Keep saying stuff. Over and over. Finger a rosary bead with each pronouncement. After you've gone through the list of Trump is bad memes, do it over. And over. Fingering the beads. Until your mind, soul, and body are fully mesmerized into the spiritual truth that Trump is the devil.

Genius. Please tell me where I am. Wrong.. latest poll numbers up. (After telling 4 Americans to go back where they came from) And you think myself and others think Trumps the devil.. ( hate Trump its simpler that that way) thanks D for making my logic and proof a reality ..
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Q.) He’s unqualified. If you owned a small business and were looking for someone to manage it, and an unnamed resume came across your desk and you saw 6 bankruptcies, showing a man who had failed to make money running CASINOS, would you hire him? He is a very poor businessman. This is a man it has been estimated would have been worth $10 BILLION more if he’d just taken what his father had given him, invested it in Index Funds and left it alone.

The bullet point from my previous post, along with the newly agreed to budget should worry anyone planning to retire and rely partly or hopefully not fully on social security. Trump and the GOP are hypocrites, promises to pay down the deficit, while bitching about previous administrations spending is a not so funny joke. If he could bankrupt casinos it should be easy to do it to this government and shame on the Democratic Party for agreeing to eliminate the ceiling. Pretty soon Monopoly money might be worth more if we keep this up.

Then consider Trump’s willingness to push our adversaries to the edge of war and his threats to wipe them off the map, what weapon do you think he might use to do that in his promise of it happening in ten days. Spend, spend, spend, promises, promises and more unfulfilled promises, but best president of our lifetime🤮
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Deal with it
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You would think that after almost 3 straight years of Trump bashing on Striped-Bass.com he would have been removed from office by now. Who would have thought that strategy wouldn't have paid off by now. keep the faith though, I'm sure your rants will hit the proper channels to make that a reality any day now. :rolleyes:

Deal with it
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I doubt I'm the one who will deal the the building deficit and out of control spending, that will be our children and the generations that follow, but hey if it's all about you then you have no worries.

May as well ask Jeff... will you be in a safe place during the coming presidential election? If you need comfort again please ask. Don’t disappear like a titanic douche again,just talk it out.
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Wow, looks like someone lost their laser etched Trump straw :jester:

Awww
Too soon still?
Let me know when the hurt goes away.
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Genius. Please tell me where I am. Wrong.. latest poll numbers up. (After telling 4 Americans to go back where they came from) And you think myself and others think Trumps the devil.. ( hate Trump its simpler that that way) thanks D for making my logic and proof a reality ..

The ussual suspects wiill dumb it down..

No one dumbed down his A-Z list, to which you were responding, and probably agreed with. So you were wrong about that. Although it would have been easy to point out that the list was mostly opinion, or lies if the standard applied to Trump is used, or other unproven notions. They were like the rosary beads I referred to that would be said over and over until, like lies that are repeated over and over, are somehow transformed into truth . . . simply by repetition.

that you suffer from TDS.. and just hate Trump its simpler that that way ..

Those labels have been used, just as labels are used by you, like Trumplican, liar, misogynist, Nazi, Fascist, racist, homophobe, xenophobe, Islamaphobe, homophobe, and so-forth. But detailed arguments have also been made by whom you refer to as "ussual suspects", which have not been refuted, and which kind you usually don't do. So either you were wrong again . . . or, as would be said about Trump when he is wrong, you lied.

and they have a weird fetish thing going on with Trump.. his approval ratings go up when they think hes owed libs .. with a stupid comment..


Your referring to it as a weird fetish is another unproven label--as you say "its simpler that way." Your guilty of your own accusation of simply using a label rather than actually and objectively and rationally arguing.

And his ratings go up not merely because of a comment. Nor could you prove that. But you gladly would assume that, because you seem to want Trump supporters to like him because he says stupid things. So I stand by my post which mocked your post because it (as quite often) it lacked logic and proof.

It actually spoke to all, and as one who dissents I concur.

If you actually stop your lying, your irrational referring to Trump and those who voted for him or attend his rallies as racists, haters, the various phobes, comparing him to Nazis, saying that he is dangerous, that he is a horrible nightmare of a person, and other such inflammatory things that can inspire the reactions and mob mentality to which you concur, then I will believe you.

Here’s the first paragraph of his post
I feel the need to explain to you why I am so alarmed by what Trump is doing this week, and more than that, by what is happening in our culture. For you who have read my books, or read this blog for a while, most of this will be old news. I beg your pardon, then, for repeating myself. But this stuff is all personal to me, for reasons I’m about to explain.

What worries me most about Trump and the Trump mob is the fear they give me for dissenters.
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You do not seem to fear for Trumplican dissenters. In a great degree, Trump is a dissent. Voting for Trump was a dissent against the yin/yang, good cop/bad cop games the so-called Liberals and Conservatives have been doing to this country for a hundred years. You don't fear for these dissenters when you and folks like you in tandem with a rabid anti-Trump media spit out far more incendiary rhetoric against Trumpists than Trumps comments are. Not when it inspires Antifa physical attacks against them. Not when our culture inspiring universities censor right leaning speakers and spread the fear mongering labels they attach to Trump. Not when People including teens are attacked physically and threatened verbally for wearing MAGA hats.

You do not fear the lying rhetoric from the left which is meant to destroy their opposition. You call Trump supporters a mob. The left has been and is becoming more so a mob. A far more effective, and dangerous, mob than "Trumplicans" who have a brief space of enthusiasm for voting for someone who does not seem to be part of the leftist mob, nor the politics as usual mob that has been transforming the constitutional republic they once thought they had into the unitary, centralized, all-powerful government they fear.

You do not seem to fear for Trumplican dissenters. In a great degree, Trump is a dissent. Voting for Trump was a dissent against the yin/yang, good cop/bad cop games the so-called Liberals and Conservatives have been doing to this country for a hundred years. You don't fear for these dissenters when you and folks like you in tandem with a rabid anti-Trump media spit out far more incendiary rhetoric against Trumpists than Trumps comments are. Not when it inspires Antifa physical attacks against them. Not when our culture inspiring universities censor right leaning speakers and spread the fear mongering labels they attach to Trump. Not when People including teens are attacked physically and threatened verbally for wearing MAGA hats.

You do not fear the lying rhetoric from the left which is meant to destroy their opposition. You call Trump supporters a mob. The left has been and is becoming more so a mob. A far more effective, and dangerous, mob than "Trumplicans" who have a brief space of enthusiasm for voting for someone who does not seem to be part of the leftist mob, nor the politics as usual mob that has been transforming the constitutional republic they once thought they had into the unitary, centralized, all-powerful government they fear.

He claims unlimited power, is that a lie?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sl_gO3uOds8

He considers and threatens committing Genocide, is that a lie?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y26BQ8SDyxk

Clearly the greatest president of our lifetime.
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Clearly the greatest president of our lifetime.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRlvZj5bC44

He claims unlimited power, is that a lie?

Yes, that's a lie. He claimed Article 2 power, not unlimited power. And your video was a specific reference to his power to remove Mueller. And yes, he constitutionally had the power to remove him. Or, in Trumpspeak, he could have done whatever he wanted in that regard. That might be questionable. But it certainly was not a claim to unlimited power. You should stop relying on edited pieces that leave out the rest of the story.

He considers and threatens committing Genocide, is that a lie?


Yes, that is a lie. He specifically said that he did not want to kill 10 million people. He did not want to wipe Afghanistan off the face of the earth. He did not consider committing, as you put it, "Genocide." You try very hard to paint whatever he says or does in the most negative way.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRlvZj5bC44

He did not exonerate, which he didn't really have the power to do anyway, and he didn't accuse Trump of obstruction, which he could have done even within the rules. He did nothing except lay out various circumstances which might indicate obstruction, or that might not.

Clearly, Trump knew, as the report concluded, that he was not guilty of conspiracy, and that any attempts or desires to stop the witch hunt would be justice, not an obstruction of it. Nor did anything he did or asked actually obstruct any justice.

So you, and the Dems, want badly to paint an unnecessary picture in order to besmirch or get rid of Trump. I think that is a far more insidious picture.

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Bask in the sun Mr. President.
Well done sir

He did not exonerate, which he didn't really have the power to do anyway, and he didn't accuse Trump of obstruction, which he could have done even within the rules. He did nothing except lay out various circumstances which might indicate obstruction, or that might not.

Clearly, Trump knew, as the report concluded, that he was not guilty of conspiracy, and that any attempts or desires to stop the witch hunt would be justice, not an obstruction of it. Nor did anything he did or asked actually obstruct any justice.

So you, and the Dems, want badly to paint an unnecessary picture in order to besmirch or get rid of Trump. I think that is a far more insidious picture.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-B9awmpKTgE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-B9awmpKTgE

He didn't say they obstructed justice. He certainly could have charged them of it. Nor that Trump did. Keep clinging.

He didn't say they obstructed justice. He certainly could have charged them of it. Nor that Trump did. Keep clinging.

"Lies by Trump campaign officials and administration officials impeded your investigation."

Mueller: "I would generally agree with that."

.@RepRichmond: So it's fair to say that president tried to protect himself by asking staff to falsify records relevant to an ongoing investigation?

MUELLER: "I would say that's generally a summary."

.@RepMcClintock: It's starting to look like, having desperately tried & failed to make a legal case against POTUS, you made a political case instead. You put it in a paper sack, lit it on fire, rang the doorbell, & ran.

MUELLER: I don't think you reviewed the same report as ours

.@RepRaskin on witness tampering: So POTUS used inducements in form of positive messages to get Cohen to not cooperate, & then used attacks & intimidation to deter the provision of information once Cohen began cooperating?

MUELLER: I believe that's accurate.

"You could charge the president of the United States after he has left office"

Mueller: "Yes"

.@RepKarenBass: To be clear, the president is asking his WH counsel, Don McGahn, to create a record that McGahn believed to be untrue, while you're investigating the president for obstruction?

MUELLER: Generally correct

.@RepKenBuck: Was there sufficient evidence to convict president of Trump or anyone else of obstruction of justice?

MUELLER: We did not make that calculation.

BUCK: Why not?

M: Because of the OLC opinion that states the president can't be charged with a crime.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uq3Y3P07bJ0

Clinger, huh?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvRLqW9AJFs

Rep. Zoe Lofgren: "Did your investigation find that the Russian government perceived it would benefit from one of the candidates winning?"

Robert Mueller: "Yes."

Lofgren: "And which candidate would that be?"

#Mueller: "Well it would be Trump."

Lofgren: "Correct."

Adam Schiff's opening statement

At the outset and on behalf of my colleagues, I want to thank you, Special Counsel Mueller, for a lifetime of service to the country.
Your report, for those who have taken the time to study it, is methodical and it is devastating, for it tells the story of a foreign adversary's sweeping and systematic intervention in a close U.S. presidential election.
That should be enough to deserve the attention of every American, as you well point out. But your report tells another story as well. For the story of the 2016 presidential election is also a story about disloyalty to country, about greed, and about lies.
Your investigation determined that the Trump campaign -- including Trump himself -- knew that a foreign power was intervening in our election and welcomed it, built Russian meddling into their strategy, and used it.
Disloyalty to country. Those are strong words, but how else are we to describe a presidential campaign which did not inform the authorities of a foreign offer of dirt on their opponent, which did not publicly shun it, or turn it away, but which instead invited it, encouraged it, and made full use of it?
That disloyalty may not have been criminal. Constrained by uncooperative witnesses, the destruction of documents and the use of encrypted communications, your team was not able to establish each of the elements of the crime of conspiracy beyond a reasonable doubt, so not a provable crime, in any event. But, I think, maybe, something worse. A crime is the violation of a law written by Congress. But disloyalty to country violates the very obligation of citizenship, our devotion to a core principle on which our nation was founded, that we, the people, not some foreign power that wishes us ill, we decide, who shall govern, us.

This also a story about money, about greed and corruption, about the leadership of a campaign willing to compromise the nation's interest not only to win, but to make money at the same time.
About a campaign chairman indebted to pro-Russian interests who tried to use his position to clear his debts and make millions. About a national security advisor using his position to make money from still other foreign interests. And about a candidate trying to make more money than all of them, through a real estate project that to him, was worth a fortune, hundreds of millions of dollars, and the realization of a lifelong ambition -- a Trump Tower in the heart of Moscow. A candidate who, in fact, viewed his whole campaign as the greatest infomercial in history.
Donald Trump and his senior staff were not alone in their desire to use the election to make money. For Russia, too, there was a powerful financial motive. Putin wanted relief from U.S. economic sanctions imposed in the wake of Russia's invasion of Ukraine and over human rights violations. The secret Trump Tower meeting between the Russians and senior campaign officials was about sanctions. The secret conversations between Flynn and the Russian ambassador were about sanctions. Trump and his team wanted more money for themselves, and the Russians wanted more money for themselves, and for their oligarchs.
But the story doesn't end here either. For your report also tells a story about lies. Lots of lies.
Lies about a gleaming tower in Moscow and lies about talks with the Kremlin. Lies about the firing of FBI Director James Comey, and lies about efforts to fire you, Mr. Mueller, and lies to cover it up. Lies about secret negotiations with the Russians over sanctions and lies about Wikileaks. Lies about polling data and lies about hush money payments. Lies about meetings in the Seychelles to set up secret back channels, and lies about a secret meeting in New York Trump Tower. Lies to the FBI, lies to your staff, and lies to our Committee.
And lies to obstruct an investigation into the most serious attack on our democracy by a foreign power in our history.
That is where your report ends, Mr. Mueller, with a scheme to cover up, obstruct and deceive every bit as systematic and pervasive as the Russian disinformation campaign itself, but far more pernicious since this rot came from within.
Even now, after 448 pages in two volumes, the deception continues. The President and his acolytes say your report found no collusion, though your report explicitly declined to address that question, since collusion can involve both criminal and non-criminal conduct.
Your report laid out multiple offers of Russian help to the Trump campaign, the campaign's acceptance of that help, and overt acts in furtherance of Russian help. To most Americans, that is the very definition of collusion, whether it is a crime or not.
They say your report found no evidence of obstruction, though you outline numerous actions by the President intended to obstruct the investigation.
They say the President has been fully exonerated, though you specifically declare you could not exonerate him.
In fact, they say your whole investigation was nothing more than a witch hunt, that the Russians didn't interfere in our election, that it's all a terrible hoax. The real crime, they say, is not that the Russians intervened to help Donald Trump, but that the FBI had the temerity to investigate it when they did.
But worst of all, worse than all the lies and the greed, is the disloyalty to country, for that too, continues. When asked, if the Russians intervene again, will you take their help, Mr. President? Why not, was the essence of his answer. Everyone does it.
No, Mr. President, they don't. Not in the America envisioned by Jefferson, Madison and Hamilton. Not for those who believe in the idea that Lincoln labored until his dying day to preserve, the idea animating our great national experiment, so unique then, so precious still — that our government is chosen by our people, through our franchise, and not by some hostile foreign power.
This is what is at stake. Our next election, and the one after that, for generations to come. Our democracy.
This is why your work matters, Mr. Mueller. This is why our investigation matters. To bring these dangers to light.

Collins: At any time in the investigation was your investigation curtailed or stopped or hindered?

Mueller: No.

earlier.....

Mueller continued:

"Second, the investigation did not establish that members of the Trump campaign conspired with the Russian government in its election interference activities. We did not address 'collusion,' which is not a legal term. Rather, we focused on whether the evidence was sufficient to charge any member of the campaign with taking part in a criminal conspiracy. It was not.

Watched about an hour before I needed to get some yard work done, DVR'd to review later. What I saw was a calm methodical questioning by the democrats, getting Mueller to confirm the key points in the report. What I saw from the republican's was anger, frustration and a futile attempt to lead Mueller where he wasn't going to go or couldn't as it was outside the boundries of the report. I'm certain the right on this board will call it a success, but unless I see anything different than I already have, I think it's a success for the democrats in getting exactly what they could out of Mueller.

I think it's a success for the democrats in getting exactly what they could out of Mueller.

The only way this is a success for the democrats is if impeachment precedings follow this up, otherwise its a win for Trump.

Joshua A. Geltzer
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A summary of the Mueller Report, told in 2 yesses:

Vol. 1:

SCHIFF: “Trump & his campaign welcomed & encouraged Russian interference?”

MUELLER: “Yes.”

Vol. 1 into 2:

SCHIFF: “And then Trump & his campaign lied about it to cover it up?”

MUELLER: “Yes.”

The only way this is a success for the democrats is if impeachment precedings follow this up, otherwise its a win for Trump.
Really, let me suggest another way they win. Enough of the public watched, believe as I do if he were not the sitting president he would have been indicted, he is voted out of office and then charged for obstruction of justice. That to me would be the ultimate win for the American people and justice. But I know, best president of our life time, 27,000 yada yada yada.
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Really, let me suggest another way they win. Enough of the public watched, believe as I do if he were not the sitting president he would have been indicted, he is voted out of office and then charged for obstruction of justice. That to me would be the ultimate win for the American people and justice. But I know, best president of our life time, 27,000 yada yada yada.
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The people who have watched, already had their minds made up before this even started, nothing has changed anybody's minds. The whole reason they are doing this today is to find something to impeach him on. Thats It. If they don't find anything, it will be back to business as usual tomorrow. Trump will be touring the country saying "See, I'm still here, they had nothing"

But I get it Russian Collusion, Islahomoraciphobic, Orange man bad, yada yada yada

These turds are so disappointed. 😢
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It is really something to see Trumplicans lining up to attack a man who was wounded in Vietnam saving a fellow Marine, dedicated his life to service, all in defense of a draft dodger elected with help of Russians. It’s like you or they are auditioning to be the dog Trump doesn’t want.
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