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Jim in CT
07-27-2019, 10:14 PM
A xenophobe is someone who dislikes foreigners.

Trump is married to a foreigner.

Trump has overseen a 5-year high in approved citizenship applications.

Trump is an egomaniac, he objectifies women, he says outlandish, vindictive things. He should be held accountable for these things.

What he's not, is a xenophobe.

https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/may/31/dhs-says-citizenship-approvals-rose-2018/?fbclid=IwAR3iBPi1K8xjlxtv1RPOSXCH5cT958bLugoB4C5X nbRSCs8tBKhQkSGFu58

Pete F.
07-27-2019, 11:41 PM
1,318 days since calling Trump a "race-baiting, xenophobic bigot," Lindsey Graham is very angry that Trump is being called a racist
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Got Stripers
07-28-2019, 06:14 AM
A xenophobe is someone who dislikes foreigners.

Trump is married to a foreigner.

Trump has overseen a 5-year high in approved citizenship applications.

Trump is an egomaniac, he objectifies women, he says outlandish, vindictive things. He should be held accountable for these things.

What he's not, is a xenophobe.

https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/may/31/dhs-says-citizenship-approvals-rose-2018/?fbclid=IwAR3iBPi1K8xjlxtv1RPOSXCH5cT958bLugoB4C5X nbRSCs8tBKhQkSGFu58

He love foreigners provided they come from certain countries, I guess you haven’t been paying attention. Go to work tomorrow and suggest to the first person with dark skin they should go back to the #^&#^&#^&#^&hole country they came from, or find someone with a disability and mock them, then go grab the hottie in the break room by the pussy and then call the two ugly women dog faces on the way to the HR office to get fired. If ANY one of us did one of these things in the modern work place, you would either be fired or on probation, do it again and it’s out the door and likely into court to defend a lawsuit. Oh you are so proud of the fact you have continued to state how deplorable his behavior is, yet continue to defend him and will vote for him again. There is a word for that it’s called hypocrisy.
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scottw
07-28-2019, 06:37 AM
we were told during the clinton years that he could be a complete dirtbag on one hand and a fabulous executive at the same time and that we needed to separate the two...we were told regarding obama that things that he done and said and his associations and inexperience were irrelevant when judging his ability to lead the country

how come when you start agreeing with leftists they call you a hypocrite? :rotf2:

bottom line is he's still better than the democrat line up of all stars

Jim in CT
07-28-2019, 07:44 AM
He love foreigners provided they come from certain countries, I guess you haven’t been paying attention. Go to work tomorrow and suggest to the first person with dark skin they should go back to the #^&#^&#^&#^&hole country they came from, or find someone with a disability and mock them, then go grab the hottie in the break room by the pussy and then call the two ugly women dog faces on the way to the HR office to get fired. If ANY one of us did one of these things in the modern work place, you would either be fired or on probation, do it again and it’s out the door and likely into court to defend a lawsuit. Oh you are so proud of the fact you have continued to state how deplorable his behavior is, yet continue to defend him and will vote for him again. There is a word for that it’s called hypocrisy.
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problem for you is, he also suggested that the kneeling NFL players, black and white, would perhaps be happier if they left the country, if they hate it so much.

Your problem, like many liberals, is that every time you see Trump bring mean to someone who isn't white, you see racism. But it's only racism, if he treats white people who act the same way, differently. Is Trump more tolerant of white people who disagree with him? No. Therefore, it's not racist. It's vindictive, insensitive, thin-skinned, and juvenile. But not racist, unless their race plays a role. Trump is a horses azz to everyone who is critical of him, regardless of race.


Find me a case where a white immigrant from Albania attacks Trump and he responds by saying "well we all have a right to our opinion", and then you have a point. If he's a jerk to everyone regardless of race, then he's a jerk, not a racist.

wdmso
07-28-2019, 10:03 AM
problem for you is, he also suggested that the kneeling NFL players, black and white, would perhaps be happier if they left the country, if they hate it so much.

Your problem, like many liberals, is that every time you see Trump bring mean to someone who isn't white, you see racism. But it's only racism, if he treats white people who act the same way, differently. Is Trump more tolerant of white people who disagree with him? No. Therefore, it's not racist. It's vindictive, insensitive, thin-skinned, and juvenile. But not racist, unless their race plays a role. Trump is a horses azz to everyone who is critical of him, regardless of race.


Find me a case where a white immigrant from Albania attacks Trump and he responds by saying "well we all have a right to our opinion", and then you have a point. If he's a jerk to everyone regardless of race, then he's a jerk, not a racist.

Jim you suffering from Willful negligence .. look at his latest attacks on Rep. Elijah Cummings. Pay close attention of his word usage. rat and rodent infested.”
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Jim in CT
07-28-2019, 11:30 AM
Jim you suffering from Willful negligence .. look at his latest attacks on Rep. Elijah Cummings. Pay close attention of his word usage. rat and rodent infested.”
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orkin says that baltimore is one of the most rat infested cities in the nation. is orkin racist? should
they have said
that beverly hills
is themost rat infested?

again, you did what GS did. You saw trump say something obnoxious to a black critic, and you assumed racism. liberals do that a lot.

https://patch.com/maryland/baltimore/baltimore-among-most-rat-infested-cities-u-s-orkin
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Got Stripers
07-28-2019, 11:50 AM
Read the meat of my post, it has nothing to do with racism, it has to do with the absolute deplorable, evil, nasty, mean and totally inappropriate way he treats anyone that bugs him for any reason and that you in particular keep saying how bad that all is, yet continue to defend him and will vote for the scum bag in for another four years. I get your point that he treats everyone badly, but his family history and numerous statements since he ran and the continued behavior in office towards people without white skin seem to suggest that he racist. Sure it might be masked by the crappy behavior in general, but I think he has killed the black vote, the Hispanic vote and likely the women voting. He can pay a handful of women to hold up the signs his campaign printed out saying women for Trump, or get a handful of black and Hispanics sprinkled in as well, but the truth is his base hasn’t changed, if anything it’s shrunk.
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Jim in CT
07-28-2019, 12:00 PM
Read the meat of my post, it has nothing to do with racism, it has to do with the absolute deplorable, evil, nasty, mean and totally inappropriate way he treats anyone that bugs him for any reason and that you in particular keep saying how bad that all is, yet continue to defend him and will vote for the scum bag in for another four years. I get your point that he treats everyone badly, but his family history and numerous statements since he ran and the continued behavior in office towards people without white skin seem to suggest that he racist. Sure it might be masked by the crappy behavior in general, but I think he has killed the black vote, the Hispanic vote and likely the women voting. He can pay a handful of women to hold up the signs his campaign printed out saying women for Trump, or get a handful of black and Hispanics sprinkled in as well, but the truth is his base hasn’t changed, if anything it’s shrunk.
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i’m not defending trump, i’m
defending honesty. you say yourself hes a jerk to everyone who disagrees with him, so it’s not racism when he does it to minorities.
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Got Stripers
07-28-2019, 12:31 PM
I’m not buying that logic, but I hope he keeps it up, the more voting blocks he pisses of, the less likely he wins another term; assuming he makes it that far.
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Jim in CT
07-28-2019, 01:10 PM
I’m not buying that logic,
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interesting since it was partly your logic. you said he’s rude to all people who disagree with him. you can google the awful
things he has said to white people who criticize him.
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Got Stripers
07-28-2019, 01:43 PM
No I said he masks his racist views well by being so nasty to anyone that pisses him off, but the manor he goes after people of color is a bit extreme and another level of nasty
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Jim in CT
07-28-2019, 03:34 PM
here, Bernie Sanders compares Baltimore to a third world country. But that’s not racist, because liberals like Bernie.

https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-campaign-digs-up-2015-bernie-sanders-quote-criticizing-baltimore-2019-7?fbclid=IwAR0qen70db72OXf4VMEw1wHBdvqC5giTJvQe3Ho z6xeYW3wGQ8_PxpiQQig
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Pete F.
07-28-2019, 05:28 PM
Mulvaney also spent the day defending Trumps tweets about the horrors of poverty in Cummings district on the political talk shows.

Kind of the pot calling the kettle black, but it certainly is not honesty.


Poverty rate in MD-7 (Cummings district): 16.6%

Poverty rate in SC-5 (Mulvaney’s old district): 14.9%

Boggles the mind how many people, including the President think members of Congress run major metropolitan governments.

scottw
07-28-2019, 07:37 PM
I’m not buying that logic, but I hope he keeps it up, the more voting blocks he pisses of, the less likely he wins another term; assuming he makes it that far.
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I imagine many in those voting blocks might agree with trump and wonder why their congress people spend so much time worrying about people that sneak into the country illegally and other things rather than addressing the districts they were elected to represent and the deplorable conditions there

scottw
07-28-2019, 07:38 PM
orkin says that baltimore is one of the most rat infested cities in the nation. Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device[/size]

one of many....


California’s rat population has been exploding because of post-drought environmental reasons, the spread of filth caused by the growing homeless population, and the refusal of some cities to deal with the problem. If you ignore disease-carrying rats, it won’t take long to have more disease-carrying rats. A recent survey of pest-control companies found virtually all of them reporting dramatic increases in rat infestations.

“The state is seeing a troubling resurgence of rodents, which can carry a wide array of diseases that have been around since the Middle Ages,” the Sacramento Bee reported. “The metropolis of Los Angeles County, for one, has seen skyrocketing cases of one such disease, typhus.” In fact, the rat infestation had gotten so bad that rats had forced the California EPA to shut down its playground out of fear that workers’ kids would contract diseases.

Got Stripers
07-28-2019, 07:57 PM
I imagine many in those voting blocks might agree with trump and wonder why their congress people spend so much time worrying about people that sneak into the country illegally and other things rather than addressing the districts they were elected to represent and the deplorable conditions there

So you believe that’s all he thinks about and that drives all he does in Washington? Well I guess from that we can assume you also believe he governs his district and is capable of making changes to clean up his rat infested district.
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Pete F.
07-28-2019, 08:32 PM
problem for you is, he also suggested that the kneeling NFL players, black and white, would perhaps be happier if they left the country, if they hate it so much.

Your problem, like many liberals, is that every time you see Trump bring mean to someone who isn't white, you see racism. But it's only racism, if he treats white people who act the same way, differently. Is Trump more tolerant of white people who disagree with him? No. Therefore, it's not racist. It's vindictive, insensitive, thin-skinned, and juvenile. But not racist, unless their race plays a role. Trump is a horses azz to everyone who is critical of him, regardless of race.


Find me a case where a white immigrant from Albania attacks Trump and he responds by saying "well we all have a right to our opinion", and then you have a point. If he's a jerk to everyone regardless of race, then he's a jerk, not a racist.
From Twitter
I just asked my neighbor why he removed the Trump sign from his lawn, where it had been since 2016. He replied, “I couldn’t ignore his racism any longer. My son [10 years old] asked why I still support him, and I had no answer. If you lose your kid’s respect, you’ve got nothing.”
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detbuch
07-28-2019, 09:05 PM
I imagine many in those voting blocks might agree with trump and wonder why their congress people spend so much time worrying about people that sneak into the country illegally and other things rather than addressing the districts they were elected to represent and the deplorable conditions there

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ui2rEkvqJs0

scottw
07-29-2019, 04:58 AM
So you believe that’s all he thinks about and that drives all he does in Washington? Well I guess from that we can assume

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assume what you want.....maybe that's part of your problem


he's been in office and in Washington for a very long time and his district is a disaster.....why are you making excuses ?

Got Stripers
07-29-2019, 05:53 AM
I’m not making excuses, his position and the fact he has been given subpoena power to look at Jared and Ivanka’s emails is one of the reasons Trump attacks him. Actually go back and look at the dozens and dozens of elected officials he has attacked and tell me you don’t see a pattern and I hope you aren’t just buying every vile hateful thing he has claimed as truth. I can’t defend Cummings, I don’t know a lot about the man or his district, but I think I have a pretty good idea who Trump is, so I don’t believe anything coming out of his mouth. Amazing to me a president who wants to be elected by the people and work (fat chance for the majority) for the people, would unzip and piss all over an entire district right in the backyard of his office. I’d flip the question around why are you defending Trumps behavior? Do you allow your children to watch TV and see the wonderful role model Trump has become?
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scottw
07-29-2019, 06:11 AM
Amazing to me a president who wants to be elected by the people and work (fat chance for the majority) for the people, would unzip and piss all over an entire district right in the backyard of his office.

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he didn't pee on the people, he criticized the people who have, for decades, presided over the demise and current state of the district....I bet the people are with trump in this regard...the left is apoplectic because they know he has a point so as usual they call it racism...if trump said the sky is blue...the left would call it racism...it's pretty funny/sad at this point

he should make every congressperson and mayor defend the crappy conditions in their districts and communities as they blabber on about impeachment and free healthcare for non-citizens, make california politicians defend their tent cities, feces on sidewalks and rat infestations and then watch the dems make the same lame excuses



Providence just had to turn over control of it's schools to the state they are so mismanaged and decrepit and this is not unique


[Blistering report details abject dysfunction and dangerous schools in Providence, R.I.]

The report, by researchers from the Johns Hopkins Institute for Education Policy, revealed miserable conditions and governance issues in the schools that have helped create an environment in which the vast majority of students don’t learn at or even near grade level, and adults and kids feel unsafe in their schools.

Got Stripers
07-29-2019, 06:22 AM
The people from Baltimore might not agree with your assessment, especially when he states NO human would want to live there, but keep waving your red hat and defending him. I expect no less and I'm sure you expect I will continue to criticize him; but I see things only getting more vile, more angry, more hateful, the campaign TV coverage will need a disclaimer to remove your children from the room.

scottw
07-29-2019, 06:26 AM
The people from Baltimore might not agree with your assessment, especially when he states NO human would want to live there, but keep waving your red hat and defending him. I expect no less and I'm sure you expect I will continue to criticize him; but I see things only getting more vile, more angry, more hateful, the campaign TV coverage will need a disclaimer to remove your children from the room.

you are not thinking

Pete F.
07-29-2019, 06:31 AM
he didn't pee on the people, he criticized the people who have, for decades, presided over the demise and current state of the district....I bet the people are with trump in this regard...the left is apoplectic because they know he has a point so as usual they call it racism...if trump said the sky is blue...the left would call it racism...it's pretty funny/sad at this point

he should make every congressperson and mayor defend the crappy conditions in their districts and communities as they blabber on about impeachment and free healthcare for non-citizens, make california politicians defend their tent cities, feces on sidewalks and rat infestations and then watch the dems make the same lame excuses

Since this is the rubric for good performance as a Congressman, Trump might look at Kentucky with a 17.2% poverty rate and ask why #MoscowMitch hasn't done anything about it despite his 5 terms in Congress. You can toss opiods in with that, since it also a big issue in #MoscowMitch's home state.

Sea Dangles
07-29-2019, 06:50 AM
Obama is the person who did nothing about opioids

Pathetic
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scottw
07-29-2019, 06:51 AM
Obama is the person who did nothing about opioids

Pathetic
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trump should run on "change and hope" for America's inner cities :jester:

The Dad Fisherman
07-29-2019, 07:00 AM
Getting ready to move my daughter down to Baltimore on Friday, went down there in June to help her do some apartment hunting. There are some nice areas and there are some where you would need an armed escort to drive through. Inner harbor is georgeous.

Wife hasn't seen the place yet, got a feeling I'm going to have to put her on Valium after we drop her off. :hihi:

Pete F.
07-29-2019, 08:38 AM
There is always a tweet for that, I'm concerned that Trump hasn't already fixed Baltimore himself. He's had years to do it.
I guess he's been busy watching TV (I'll never have time to watch TV, he claimed) and playing golf.

Trump promised never to golf. I guess that was like Mexico paying for the wall. Instead, he’s spent more than twice as many days golfing as Obama at the same point, with an estimated cost to taxpayers of over 100 million dollars and almost exclusively at Trump clubs. Hey, might just as well line his pockets with our money.


Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
"
@jrondatampier
: If Obama isnt able to solve Baltimore´s issue, no chance to solve China´s & OPEC´s abuses. The World asks for leadership!
9:28 AM · May 7, 2015·Twitter for Android


Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
President Obama, you have a big job to do. Go to Baltimore and bring both sides together. With proper leadership, it can be done! Do it.
7:55 AM · Apr 28, 2015·Twitter for Android


Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
"
@Vanderpunked
: Can we drop @realDonaldTrump off in the middle of #Baltimore so he can show Obama how it's done?" I would fix it fast!
7:31 AM · Apr 28, 2015·Twitter for Android

Sea Dangles
07-29-2019, 09:38 AM
Maybe he is like you in this instance PeteF. You know,doesn’t watch tv and only gets his news online.
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spence
07-29-2019, 01:43 PM
Getting ready to move my daughter down to Baltimore on Friday, went down there in June to help her do some apartment hunting. There are some nice areas and there are some where you would need an armed escort to drive through. Inner harbor is georgeous.
Sounds like Baltimore is good enough for the House Republicans yearly policy retreat this fall. As someone who knows something about rats I can say this doesn't look good.

wdmso
07-29-2019, 02:40 PM
orkin says that baltimore is one of the most rat infested cities in the nation. is orkin racist? should
they have said
that beverly hills
is themost rat infested?

again, you did what GS did. You saw trump say something obnoxious to a black critic, and you assumed racism. liberals do that a lot.

https://patch.com/maryland/baltimore/baltimore-among-most-rat-infested-cities-u-s-orkin
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Now your using the Orkin man for the reason trump used those words... I cant stop laughing
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The Dad Fisherman
07-29-2019, 02:48 PM
Now your using the Orkin man for the reason trump used those words... I cant stop laughing
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Looks like you can't stop misinterpreting either...

Jim in CT
07-29-2019, 03:22 PM
Now your using the Orkin man for the reason trump used those words... I cant stop laughing
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trump said the city is rat infested. was trump wrong? or are you saying that when a white man says factually correct but insulting things to a black man, it’s necessarily racist?

and i’ll ask again, why wasn’t bernie called a racist when he said parts of baltimore look like a third world nation? why isn’t that offensive?
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spence
07-29-2019, 05:53 PM
trump said the city is rat infested. was trump wrong? or are you saying that when a white man says factually correct but insulting things to a black man, it’s necessarily racist?

and i’ll ask again, why wasn’t bernie called a racist when he said parts of baltimore look like a third world nation? why isn’t that offensive?
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Really Jim?

Sea Dangles
07-29-2019, 05:55 PM
Context Jeff?
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spence
07-29-2019, 05:57 PM
Context Jeff?
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There's a lot more than context lacking.

Sea Dangles
07-29-2019, 08:28 PM
Without the first paragraph it is actually a very fair question. It should be simple enough for even you to grasp I would guess. But perhaps I overestimate you given the way you tried to dodge.
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Jim in CT
07-29-2019, 08:39 PM
There's a lot more than context lacking.

how about you tell us what i got wrong exactly, instead of lobbing vague insults again?
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wdmso
07-30-2019, 06:46 AM
trump said the city is rat infested. was trump wrong? or are you saying that when a white man says factually correct but insulting things to a black man, it’s necessarily racist?

and i’ll ask again, why wasn’t bernie called a racist when he said parts of baltimore look like a third world nation? why isn’t that offensive?
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This is the problem. You some how are convinced he was actually referring to the rat poupulation ..

And why. Are you repeating Trumps deflection..

Ps whats Sanders history with race... compared with Trump ...that might have something to do with the degree of blow back Trump's getting

Unless you in the group that hes just a white guy legitimately criticizing a black guy..
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The Dad Fisherman
07-30-2019, 07:16 AM
This is the problem. You some how are convinced he was actually referring to the rat poupulation ..

And why. Are you repeating Trumps deflection..

Ps whats Sanders history with race... compared with Trump ...that might have something to do with the degree of blow back Trump's getting

Unless you in the group that hes just a white guy legitimately criticizing a black guy..
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Sea Dangles
07-30-2019, 08:04 AM
It’s hard to believe that just 4 years ago that peaceful city was rioting.
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The Dad Fisherman
07-30-2019, 08:32 AM
"What the hell? We should just take all this chit down.” - Former Baltimore Mayor (D) Cindy Pugh

"Whoa, you can smell the rats." - Former Baltimore Mayor Cindy Pugh (D)

“Baltimore is a Fu ck ing ghetto...it is chit” - Maryland Senate President Mike Miller (D-Md.)

“Anyone who took the walk that we took around this neighborhood would not think you’re in a wealthy nation. You would think that you were in a Third World country.” - Senator Bernie Sanders (D-Vt)

Pete F.
07-30-2019, 08:34 AM
Keep thinking that it will be OK, that this too shall pass. Trump's effect on this country is horrific.

This is because instead of governing all the people, he acts as if he is the President of only those who agree with him and all dissenters are called names, denigrated and perhaps they should leave. He is the Great Divider Incarnate and celebrates it. Sad

The president, along with the vice president, are the only two public officials elected by the entire country. The president bears a unique responsibility to represent the unity of the country. Trump does not accept that responsibility. He treats his political opponents as illegitimate and even disloyal. He declared at the North Carolina rally, “A vote for any Democrat in 2020 is a vote for the rise of radical socialism and the destruction of the American dream — frankly, the destruction of our country.”

Almost all the members thought to be checks on Trumps behavior in his early Cabinet are gone now and replaced by allies, many of whom have not been confirmed by Congress as required by the Constitution.

This has all happened before in history and people believed then that nothing bad would happen, just welcome economic prosperity and the removal of constraints on the success of their nation.

Ex-Chancellor Franz Von Papen believed that conservative elites could control Hitler. Instead, by 1934 Von Papen’s political career was over, as Hitler, in a whirlwind series of personnel changes, set his propaganda machine – that same machine that denounced the media as the lugenpresse, the “lying press” – to work against his erstwhile allies and, despite not having won a majority of the votes in the previous election, purged his government of the moderating voices of non-Nazis.

Jim in CT
07-30-2019, 08:36 AM
This is the problem. You some how are convinced he was actually referring to the rat poupulation ..

And why. Are you repeating Trumps deflection..

Ps whats Sanders history with race... compared with Trump ...that might have something to do with the degree of blow back Trump's getting

Unless you in the group that hes just a white guy legitimately criticizing a black guy..
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so let’s be very clear here...because this issue is a whole lot bigger than our disagreement, it gets to the heart of where we are today.

trump says “baltimore is rat infested.”.

when he says that, what i hear, is what he actually said, that “baltimore is rat infested.”

what YOU hear, despite what he actually said, is “Baltimore is n*gger infested.”.

I am responding to what he actually said, you are responding to something not even close to what he said. and you say I am the one
with the problem?

whew.

So when do we hold people
accountable for what they actually said, and when can we pretend that they said something completely different from what was actually said? who makes that decision, what are the ground
rules?
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Jim in CT
07-30-2019, 08:38 AM
"What the hell? We should just take all this chit down.” - Former Baltimore Mayor (D) Cindy Pugh

"Whoa, you can smell the rats." - Former Baltimore Mayor Cindy Pugh (D)

“Baltimore is a Fu ck ing ghetto...it is chit” - Maryland Senate President Mike Miller (D-Md.)

“Anyone who took the walk that we took around this neighborhood would not think you’re in a wealthy nation. You would think that you were in a Third World country.” - Senator Bernie Sanders (D-Vt)

but it’s only racist when orange man says it.

i should invest in tin foil
hats.
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Jim in CT
07-30-2019, 08:46 AM
wdmso, the left has
no interest in admitting that democrats have (1) run baltimore for 50
years, and (2) that they've done a terrible job. trump pointed out their failure, and god knows they can’t admit he’s right, so they play their go-to card, racism.
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The Dad Fisherman
07-30-2019, 08:55 AM
The president, along with the vice president, are the only two public officials elected by the entire country.

You might want to tell these folks that.

Pete F.
07-30-2019, 09:19 AM
Just what part of this are Liberal Democrats responsible for?

It's always the fault of the Liberals with you :crying:

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In short, union representation helped to transform an industry with a self-replicating workforce of unskilled workers into a means for economic and social advancement.

The latter part of the 20th Century saw a nationwide decline in the manufacturing sector, and Bethlehem Steel was no exception to this trend. In 1971, when Sparrows Point was the largest steel mill in the country, a surge in steel imports led to massive layoffs among domestic producers. Three thousand workers at Sparrow Point lost their jobs that year, followed by another 7,000 in 1975.

By the late 1980s, the workforce had dwindled to 8,000, accompanied by a decline in wages and benefits as the union conceded on many pay and benefits issues. Baltimore workers could no longer look to steel as a source of middle-class wages and job security.

The story of Bethlehem’s steel mill at Sparrows Point is a microcosm of economic changes that profoundly affected Baltimore and other “rust belt” cities across the US during this period. The manufacturing industries, having long been the economic base for employment and output for nearly a century, dwindled and disappeared.

Baltimore lost over 100,000 manufacturing jobs between 1950 and 1995, 75% of its industrial employment — not to mention most of the jobs with union representation. Currently, only 6% of all jobs in the City are in manufacturing. The collapse of industry led to a number of changes in the demographic makeup of the City and the surrounding region, contributing to a crisis in urban poverty that lingers today.

American Industry failed to change in the 60s when the rest of the world rebuilt their Industry after WW2 and suffered the loss of manufacturing jobs, this destroyed city after city including Baltimore and in Connecticut and Massachusetts, Machine tool, wire mills and others that failed to modernize their production methods and facilities.

Pete F.
07-30-2019, 09:23 AM
You might want to tell these folks that.

Why post a picture of your children?

The Dad Fisherman
07-30-2019, 09:32 AM
Why post a picture of your children?

My kids are actually clean cut, productive members of society. These must be your relations, I can smell the in-breeding from here

Jim in CT
07-30-2019, 10:21 AM
obviously it’s not the fault of liberalism that so many manufacturing jobs were lost.

But liberalism makes those inner cities worse. Because liberalism (1) doesn’t come
close to adequately stressing the downside of single parent households. liberals thing that the concept of the nuclear family is an anachronism, and that if something feels good, you should just do it and not worry about consequences.

(2) liberalism also crippled those poor people
in inner cities by making them
addicted to welfare, robbing them if the initiative to take care of themselves.

A great liberal, Daniel Patrick Moynihan, predicted this long ago. he predicted that liberalism would
destroy the black. nuclearr family, and that would
be a holocaust for blacks. he was right.

i don’t know how, with decades of
empirical evidence, that liberals don’t see the damage they are doing. my guess is that it’s intentional, because if you create this permanent underclass, liberals
make them dependent on welfare, and therefore dependable reliable democrat voters.

that also explains why liberals oppose school choice.

i may well be wrong, but i can’t see a more logical explanation. liberal approach to poverty is to give poor people just enough to stay alive, but not nearly what they need to climb out of poverty. i’m not sure liberals want them
to climb out of poverty, because if they do, many will no longer vote democrat.
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Jim in CT
07-30-2019, 10:25 AM
Why post a picture of your children?

he makes a valid point, and you smear his kids?

there’s liberalism for you. liberalism in a nutshell, not even his kids are spared when a liberal is losing an argument.

F*ck you, you sniveling snowflake coward. TDF is one of the most rational middle ground people
here, and you insult his kids. one of whom is an eagle scout, yeah there’s all kinds of dysfunctionality there i’m sure.

F*ck you and the stupid, deranged, hate filled, intolerant liberal horse you rode in on.

TDF kick me off the board if you need to, i could care less.
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Pete F.
07-30-2019, 10:52 AM
he makes a valid point, and you smear his kids?

there’s liberalism for you. liberalism in a nutshell, not even his kids are spared when a liberal is losing an argument.

F*ck you, you sniveling snowflake coward. TDF is one of the most rational middle ground people
here, and you insult his kids. one of whom is an eagle scout, yeah there’s all kinds of dysfunctionality there i’m sure.

F*ck you and the stupid, deranged, hate filled, intolerant liberal horse you rode in on.

TDF kick me off the board if you need to, i could care less.
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You could have just shown me your badge!

Poor boy, you ought to realize all people have parents who love them, Jesus does also.

Even the ones who don't conform.

It's perfectly acceptable to you to insult some people because you don't like their appearance, (though I'm sure you would deflect and say he didn't really mean that) but suggest that yours might not conform and it is horrifying and a sure indicator that someone is one of the most evil things in your world.

Liberal

Would you shoot your children or yourself if those were yours?

Or just do this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MH25BsyKn0E#action=share

The Dad Fisherman
07-30-2019, 11:17 AM
Poor boy, you ought to realize all people have parents who love them, Jesus does also.
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Explain Child Abuse and Neglect then? No, not all parents love their kids, some shouldn't even be allowed to be parents.

The Dad Fisherman
07-30-2019, 11:21 AM
he makes a valid point, and you smear his kids?

there’s liberalism for you. liberalism in a nutshell, not even his kids are spared when a liberal is losing an argument.

F*ck you, you sniveling snowflake coward. TDF is one of the most rational middle ground people
here, and you insult his kids. one of whom is an eagle scout, yeah there’s all kinds of dysfunctionality there i’m sure.

F*ck you and the stupid, deranged, hate filled, intolerant liberal horse you rode in on.

TDF kick me off the board if you need to, i could care less.
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No blood, no foul.

Just another manifestation of TDS.

Didn't he post something about becoming that which you hate

Jim in CT
07-30-2019, 11:25 AM
No blood, no foul.

Just another manifestation of TDS.

if trump gets re elected, it’s gonna be so sweet on this board. can one fatally overdose on schadenfreude?

big time symptoms of TDS...


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wdmso
07-30-2019, 12:14 PM
so let’s be very clear here...because this issue is a whole lot bigger than our disagreement, it gets to the heart of where we are today.

trump says “baltimore is rat infested.”.

when he says that, what i hear, is what he actually said, that “baltimore is rat infested.”

what YOU hear, despite what he actually said, is “Baltimore is n*gger infested.”.

I am responding to what he actually said, you are responding to something not even close to what he said. and you say I am the one
with the problem?

whew.

So when do we hold people
accountable for what they actually said, and when can we pretend that they said something completely different from what was actually said? who makes that decision, what are the ground
rules?
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You just respond to what he actual said... how sad thats the depth of your objectivity. When it comes to Trump

To bad Trumps administration since day 1 is constantly telling us what he ment to say and to ignore what he said ..

But now its focus on what he said not what he ment .. can you make up your mind. Your abilities to only hear the word Rat clearly places you as one of the faithful.. trust me i hear more then just the n word .. look who he wants to label as a terrorist group...your fav antifa.. another bone for the base
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wdmso
07-30-2019, 12:30 PM
if trump gets re elected, it’s gonna be so sweet on this board. can one fatally overdose on schadenfreude?

big time symptoms of TDS...


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And if he doesn't??
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Pete F.
07-30-2019, 12:56 PM
There is a Trumplican running to replace Ilhan Omar and am I impressed......
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tg8PYhy10yg

scottw
07-30-2019, 01:03 PM
TDF is one of the most rational middle ground people
here,


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what!?....I thought I was?

scottw
07-30-2019, 01:04 PM
And if he doesn't??
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it'll REALLY be fun :rotf3:

The Dad Fisherman
07-30-2019, 01:30 PM
what!?....I thought I was?

Don't worry, Sox have a 4 game series with the Yank-mees this weekend, calm and rational will not be part of the repertoire for the weekend :hee:

Jim in CT
07-30-2019, 01:45 PM
And if he doesn't??
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I’ll be as fine as i was during the obama years. i won’t hide for three months like spence did, i won’t make daily posts attacking whoever wins. i complained here about obama, but nothing remotely like this.
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scottw
07-30-2019, 02:58 PM
i won’t hide for three months like spence did,

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at least he found his way back...i missed him

wdmso
07-30-2019, 03:14 PM
I’ll be as fine as i was during the obama years. i won’t hide for three months like spence did, i won’t make daily posts attacking whoever wins. i complained here about obama, but nothing remotely like this.
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IF the next Potus whom ever it may be acts like our currret potus . I encourage you to complain..

Its better than bending the knee .. as if whats going on now is acceptable
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Pete F.
01-19-2021, 11:31 AM
You might want to tell these folks that.

Why post a picture of your children?

The victim even squeals when someone else gets jabbed

Pete F.
09-21-2021, 11:59 AM
You might want to tell these folks that.

Why post a picture of your children?

My kids are actually clean cut, productive members of society. These must be your relations, I can smell the in-breeding from here

he makes a valid point, and you smear his kids?

there’s liberalism for you. liberalism in a nutshell, not even his kids are spared when a liberal is losing an argument.

F*ck you, you sniveling snowflake coward. TDF is one of the most rational middle ground people
here, and you insult his kids. one of whom is an eagle scout, yeah there’s all kinds of dysfunctionality there i’m sure.

F*ck you and the stupid, deranged, hate filled, intolerant liberal horse you rode in on.

TDF kick me off the board if you need to, i could care less.
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The original internet tough guy victim

PaulS
09-21-2021, 01:56 PM
he makes a valid point, and you smear his kids?

there’s liberalism for you. liberalism in a nutshell, not even his kids are spared when a liberal is losing an argument.

F*ck you, you sniveling snowflake coward. TDF is one of the most rational middle ground people
here, and you insult his kids. one of whom is an eagle scout, yeah there’s all kinds of dysfunctionality there i’m sure.

F*ck you and the stupid, deranged, hate filled, intolerant liberal horse you rode in on.

TDF kick me off the board if you need to, i could care less.
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I’ll be as fine as i was during the obama years. i won’t hide for three months like spence did, i won’t make daily posts attacking whoever wins. i complained here about obama, but nothing remotely like this.
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Too funny.

Jim in CT
09-21-2021, 04:33 PM
Too funny.

So it's funny to you that Pete smeared TDFs kids, and I stuck up for them. That's funny to you?

Pete, if you think my telling you off makes me a victim, you don't know what a victim is. It takes a small, terrified, special kind of coward to bring someone else's children into a political discussion.

Paul, you know what tells me for certain, I did the right thing there? Pete didn't like what I did, neither did you, but TDF did. All I need to know.

You also said very specifically, that you didn't care what Pete did. Good for you.

I felt great when I did that, and I feel great remembering it. Exposing a bully deranged with hate, sticking up for the kids of one of the most respectable guys here? You think youre making me look bad?

You guys can't get one right by accident.

I totally forgot how thoroughly enjoyable and satisfying it felt to slap him around here. and how revealing it was when you said you didn’t care what he did.

meanwhile TDF has a daughter in school he adores and a son who’s an eagle scout, and God only knows the horror of pete’s home life that causes him to act the way he does here, so the winners and losers here are pretty clear.

spence
09-21-2021, 04:56 PM
So it's funny to you that Pete smeared TDFs kids, and I stuck up for them. That's funny to you?
Like 15 years ago one of the forum's more colorful members who no longer posts talked about boiling my children in oil. I didn't freak out but just asked John to take down the post which he somewhat reluctantly did.

That being said, kids should be left out of politics unless they're adults and willingly part of the story. I'll never forget the time Rush Limbaugh put up a photo of a 12 year old Chelsey Clinton and compared her to a dog. Republicans thought it was funny. Thank god for political correctness cause that shat wouldn't fly today.

Jim in CT
09-21-2021, 05:01 PM
Like 15 years ago one of the forum's more colorful members who no longer posts talked about boiling my children in oil. I didn't freak out but just asked John to take down the post which he somewhat reluctantly did.

That being said, kids should be left out of politics unless they're adults and willingly part of the story. I'll never forget the time Rush Limbaugh put up a photo of a 12 year old Chelsey Clinton and compared her to a dog. Republicans thought it was funny. Thank god for political correctness cause that shat wouldn't fly today.

i’m sorry someone did that to you, and i haven’t listened to 5 total minutes of rush because of stuff just like that.

Spence we don’t agree on anything, but o know you’re a good guy deep down from your posts here especially one i made in someone else thread about loss, you said something really thoughtful when i posted an experience of mine i was trying to help the guy who suffered an enormous loss, i shared a similar story and you were great about it if i remember correctly which i’m certain i do.

i think pete is a very deranged and hate filled sick coward, and i’d say the same exact thing if he brought up your kids or anyone else’s.
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PaulS
09-21-2021, 05:44 PM
So it's funny to you that Pete smeared TDFs kids, and I stuck up for them. That's funny to you?You're anger is what is so funny to me. You want to be banned bc you can't help yourself. If you're so miserable and want to be banned, stay away. But you can't control yourself. Pete's comments could have been taken as a joke but Kevin went ballistic w/the inbreeding comment For some reason that didn't bother you.


Pete, if you think my telling you off makes me a victim, you don't know what a victim is. It takes a small, terrified, special kind of coward Why is he a coward? to bring someone else's children into a political discussion. Easily could have been taken as a joke but again, Kevin went ballistic w/the inbreeding comment.

Paul, you know what tells me for certain, I did the right thing there? Pete didn't like what I did, neither did you, but TDF did. All I need to know.Who cares what you think. You're an angry person who agues w/everyone.

You also said very specifically, that you didn't care what Pete did. Good for you.

I felt great when I did that, and I feel great remembering it. Exposing a bully deranged with hate, sticking up for the kids of one of the most respectable guys here? You think youre making me look bad?You make yourself look bad every day here with your constant insults.

You guys can't get one right by accident.

I totally forgot how thoroughly enjoyable and satisfying it felt to slap him around here. I don't think he gets slapped around. I think he is far wittier than you will ever be. You're just an t angry person and don't seem to have a sense of humor. and how revealing it was when you said you didn’t care what he did.

meanwhile TDF has a daughter in school he adores and a son who’s an eagle scout, and God only knows the horror of pete’s home life that causes him to act the way he does here, so the winners and losers here are pretty clear.

I don't think Pete's life is a horror. I just can't imagine you out w/friends (although to me you seem so miserable I really doubt you have good friends). And if you tell me you have lots of friends, good for you. I could care less.

Jim in CT
09-21-2021, 06:05 PM
I don't think Pete's life is a horror. I just can't imagine you out w/friends (although to me you seem so miserable I really doubt you have good friends). And if you tell me you have lots of friends, good for you. I could care less.

you’re right, i didn’t say anything when tdf swung back.

Because unlike you, i don’t see a moral equivalence between someone sucker punching you, and you hitting back.

continue your circle jerk with pete. the one banned from starting threads because of his dark behavior.

He’s a coward because he’s an internet bully. most men would say it’s cowardly to bring another’s kids into it. You’re ok with it, at least when he does it, most men would
say it’s cowardly.

Paul if i get banned form the political
forum for standing up to a guy who goes after kevin’s kids, and makes an issue of someone’s wife having cancer or calling out a jerk who still uses the word retard, i’ll find a way to soldier on somehow. i told
kevin at the time i was fine with it if he booted me.

Lots of good friends. Every one of them to good to use the word retard, or defend those who insult someone’s kids or defend someone who brings up the fact that someone else’s wife has cancer ( i mean that’s classy right there). that’s all fine as far as you’re concerned.

Good for you.

Why did he resurrect a two year old thread in which he behaved so pathetically?

You know what set Pete off in this thread? Pete said Trump was a racist hatemonger for criticizing the city of Baltimore. TDF posted many, many examples of powerful democrats trashing the city of Baltimore, Pete had no quarrel with those folks criticizing Baltimore, only when Trump did it. He made Pete look wrong and hypocritical. So Pete, rather than just admitting people other than Trump criticized Baltimore, he went after Kevin’s kids.

He made an idiotic argument and got exposed for it. And his reaction was to lash out at the guy who just posted truth that contradicted his post.

very mature.




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PaulS
09-21-2021, 06:44 PM
Oh yes and the other thing that I thought was funny was your insisting you won't run and hide for 3 months or make posts attacking whoever wins. How long were you hiding?
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Jim in CT
09-21-2021, 06:50 PM
Oh yes and the other thing that I thought was funny was your insisting you won't run and hide for 3 months or make posts attacking whoever wins. How long were you hiding?
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i said i wouldn’t criticize who wins? when did i say that? i criticize whoever wins, regardless of party, when they screw up.

let’s be very very clear. my vacation from this forum had absolutely nothing to do with biden, it had 100% to do with Pete’s deeply offensive actions, and yours. I said that to you very very clearly. calling out someone’s wife is beyond what i would have thought was possible here. and the use of the word retard means you’re an uncaring jerk.

I’m fine with Biden’s win. i didn’t vote for him, but have made a ton of money investing in oil and lithium. any idiot could have seen that coming. paying for catholic school and hastening my retirement. if you’re not buying things that will do well in periods of high inflation, you’re blowing a huge opportunity.

Sense of humor? I’m writing a sitcom pilot with a brother, be happy to send it to you. I have no sense of humor about using someone’s children or ill spouse as a weapon against them, nor about making fun of people unfortunate enough to be born with special needs. you’ll say that means i’m angry. in reality, it’s because i’m a better man than you are.
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PaulS
09-21-2021, 07:30 PM
i said i wouldn’t criticize who wins? when did i say that? i criticize whoever wins, regardless of party, when they screw up.

let’s be very very clear. my vacation from this forum had absolutely nothing to do with biden, it had 100% to do with Pete’s deeply offensive actions, and yours. I said that to you very very clearly. calling out someone’s wife is beyond what i would have thought was possible here. and the use of the word retard means you’re an uncaring jerk.

I’m fine with Biden’s win. i didn’t vote for him, but have made a ton of money investing in oil and lithium. any idiot could have seen that coming. paying for catholic school and hastening my retirement. if you’re not buying things that will do well in periods of high inflation, you’re blowing a huge opportunity.

Sense of humor? I’m writing a sitcom pilot with a brother, be happy to send it to you. I have no sense of humor about using someone’s children or ill spouse as a weapon against them, nor about making fun of people unfortunate enough to be born with special needs. you’ll say that means i’m angry. in reality, it’s because i’m a better man than you are.
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You're not a better man than anyone who posts here now, you're a #^&#^&#^&#^&. And you prove that every day the way you talk to everybody.
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Pete F.
09-21-2021, 07:32 PM
I’ll be as fine as i was during the obama years. i won’t hide for three months like spence did, i won’t make daily posts attacking whoever wins. i complained here about obama, but nothing remotely like this.
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Poor little man
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Jim in CT
09-21-2021, 07:42 PM
You're not a better man than anyone who posts here now, you're a #^&#^&#^&#^&. And you prove that every day the way you talk to everybody.
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im deeply flawed, but for damned sure i’m better than anyone who thinks it’s funny to call people a retard or to try to hurt someone by bringing up a wife’s illness. i don’t go there. you and pete do. kudos.
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Jim in CT
09-21-2021, 08:06 PM
Poor little man
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yet i have no trouble admitting when i’m wrong, when my side is wrong, or when the other side is right. i do all that regularly.

You are literally incapable of that. You’re too scared to do it.

So who’s little? And who’s secure?
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Pete F.
09-21-2021, 08:13 PM
Pretty tribal aren’t you
Luckily the America I live in isn’t as narrow as yours
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Jim in CT
09-22-2021, 03:39 AM
Pretty tribal aren’t you
Luckily the America I live in isn’t as narrow as yours
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interesting take, coming from the guy who got banned from starting new threads, specifically because of your psychotic obsession with attacking people who don’t agree with you.

how many guys post here? and how many have been formally banned from starting new threads? What do those answers mean to you?


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Pete F.
09-22-2021, 06:23 AM
You’re pretty confused, aren’t you
What a sad little man
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Jim in CT
09-22-2021, 07:24 AM
You’re pretty confused, aren’t you

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I am? So you didn't get banned from starting new threads, putting you in a category either all by yourself, or very close to it? I got that wrong?

Where am I confused, please straighten me out.

The Dad Fisherman
09-22-2021, 07:59 AM
I went Ballistic??? That's an interesting take.

I responded to snarky sarcasm with snarky sarcasm, that's what I do.

Whatever :rolleyes:
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