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Pete F. 07-31-2019, 08:04 AM The escalation of racialized rhetoric from the President of the United States has evoked responses from all sides of the political spectrum. On one side, African American leaders have led the way in rightfully expressing outrage. On the other, those aligned with the President seek to downplay the racial overtones of his attacks, or remain silent.
As faith leaders who serve at Washington National Cathedral ¬– the sacred space where America gathers at moments of national significance – we feel compelled to ask: After two years of President Trump’s words and actions, when will Americans have enough?
As Americans, we have had such moments before, and as a people we have acted. Events of the last week call to mind a similarly dark period in our history:
“Until this moment, Senator, I think I never really gauged your cruelty or your recklessness. … You have done enough. Have you no sense of decency?”
That was U.S. Army attorney Joseph Welch on June 9, 1954, when he confronted Senator Joseph McCarthy before a live television audience, effectively ending McCarthy’s notorious hold on the nation. Until then, under the guise of ridding the country of Communist infiltration, McCarthy had free rein to say and do whatever he wished. With unbridled speech, he stoked the fears of an anxious nation with lies; destroyed the careers of countless Americans; and bullied into submissive silence anyone who dared criticize him.
In retrospect, it’s clear that Welch’s question was directed less toward McCarthy and more to the nation as a whole. Had Americans had enough? Where was our sense of decency?
We have come to accept a level of insult and abuse in political discourse that violates each person’s sacred identity as a child of God. We have come to accept as normal a steady stream of language and accusations coming from the highest office in the land that plays to racist elements in society.
This week, President Trump crossed another threshold. Not only did he insult a leader in the fight for racial justice and equality for all persons; not only did he savage the nations from which immigrants to this country have come; but now he has condemned the residents of an entire American city. Where will he go from here?
Make no mistake about it, words matter. And, Mr. Trump’s words are dangerous.
These words are more than a “dog-whistle.” When such violent dehumanizing words come from the President of the United States, they are a clarion call, and give cover, to white supremacists who consider people of color a sub-human “infestation” in America. They serve as a call to action from those people to keep America great by ridding it of such infestation. Violent words lead to violent actions.
When does silence become complicity? What will it take for us all to say, with one voice, that we have had enough? The question is less about the president’s sense of decency, but of ours.
As leaders of faith who believe in the sacredness of every single human being, the time for silence is over. We must boldly stand witness against the bigotry, hatred, intolerance, and xenophobia that is hurled at us, especially when it comes from the highest offices of this nation. We must say that this will not be tolerated. To stay silent in the face of such rhetoric is for us to tacitly condone the violence of these words. We are compelled to take every opportunity to oppose the indecency and dehumanization that is racism, whether it comes to us through words or actions.
There is another moment in our history worth recalling. On January 21, 2017, Washington National Cathedral hosted an interfaith national prayer service, a sacred tradition to honor the peaceful transfer of political power. We prayed for the President and his young Administration to have “wisdom and grace in the exercise of their duties that they may serve all people of this nation, and promote the dignity and freedom of every person.”
That remains our prayer today for us all.
The Right Rev. Mariann Edgar Budde, Bishop of the Episcopal Diocese of Washington
The Very Rev. Randolph Marshall Hollerith, Dean of Washington National Cathedral
The Rev. Canon Kelly Brown Douglas, Canon Theologian of Washington National Cathedral
Jim in CT 07-31-2019, 08:48 AM what about all the black leaders who say he’s not racist?
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Pete F. 07-31-2019, 08:52 AM Apparently The Rev. Canon Kelly Brown Douglas is not one of them.
Jim in CT 07-31-2019, 09:48 AM well the niece of Martin luther king jr is one of them. i never said all blacks love the guy. but many do, and many of those are leaders in the black community. so maybe the racist tag has political origins, rather than actual racism.
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Pete F. 07-31-2019, 10:17 AM 20% is not many.
From yesterday's Quinnipiac poll
Forty-six percent of white voters believe Trump is racist, compared to 80 percent of black voters.
Jim in CT 07-31-2019, 11:34 AM 20% is not many.
From yesterday's Quinnipiac poll
Forty-six percent of white voters believe Trump is racist, compared to 80 percent of black voters.
when the entire
media never stops saying it, that’s effective. that’s why your side does what they do, when they know they’ve lost the debate on policy.
why isn’t bernie sanders racist for saying baltimore looks like a 3rd world country? please explain. i’m all ears.
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Pete F. 07-31-2019, 12:01 PM when the entire
media never stops saying it, that’s effective. that’s why your side does what they do, when they know they’ve lost the debate on policy.
why isn’t bernie sanders racist for saying baltimore looks like a 3rd world country? please explain. i’m all ears.
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Poverty, homelessness, & crime can be seen across America.
Singling out one city and Congressman (especially of the pedigree of @RepCummings) is not about addressing the problems.
It's about something else.
And we all know it
Jim in CT 07-31-2019, 12:30 PM Poverty, homelessness, & crime can be seen across America.
Singling out one city and Congressman (especially of the pedigree of @RepCummings) is not about addressing the problems.
It's about something else.
And we all know it
Not good enough. bernie singled out baltimore. called it a “third world country”, which could
also easily be interpreted as having racial overtones.
It was about elijah cummings. and it wasn’t about his skin color, it was about the fact that Cummings despises trump. trump is crude to everyone who dislikes him, regardless of their race. he’s an equal opportunity azzhole.
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The Dad Fisherman 07-31-2019, 12:48 PM "What the hell? We should just take all this chit down.” - Former Baltimore Mayor (D) Cindy Pugh
"Whoa, you can smell the rats." - Former Baltimore Mayor Cindy Pugh (D)
“Baltimore is a Fu ck ing ghetto...it is chit” - Maryland Senate President Mike Miller (D-Md.)
“Anyone who took the walk that we took around this neighborhood would not think you’re in a wealthy nation. You would think that you were in a Third World country.” - Senator Bernie Sanders (D-Vt)
Jim in CT 07-31-2019, 01:01 PM "What the hell? We should just take all this chit down.” - Former Baltimore Mayor (D) Cindy Pugh
"Whoa, you can smell the rats." - Former Baltimore Mayor Cindy Pugh (D)
“Baltimore is a Fu ck ing ghetto...it is chit” - Maryland Senate President Mike Miller (D-Md.)
“Anyone who took the walk that we took around this neighborhood would not think you’re in a wealthy nation. You would think that you were in a Third World country.” - Senator Bernie Sanders (D-Vt)
but because trump also took a swipe at Elijah Cummings, his tweet was racist. Trump cannot criticize a black person without it being racist. Because he never attacks white people who dislike him, right?
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The Dad Fisherman 07-31-2019, 01:07 PM Just ask Rosie
Pete F. 07-31-2019, 01:09 PM Keep believing boys, history repeats
Peggy Wallace Kennedy went to political rallies with her dad – George Wallace – as he ran for president in the ‘60s and ‘70s.
She saw hate and anger that a child should not have to see. She felt a bitterness she did not at the time comprehend.
She didn’t know why protesters in the northeast threw ink on her new beige dress outside one of those rallies.
But then, she didn’t understand the virulence of her father’s most devoted supporters, either, or his desire to keep black people from attending the University of Alabama, or the mindless rage that drove the crowds to violence.
She understands now. She understands all too well. Her father was wrong.
“We cannot go backward,” she told a group of teachers at the Birmingham Public Library last week. “We have to go forward.”
“Unfortunately it does look like the ‘60s now,” Wallace Kennedy said. “Each of us individually need to act with compassion and pray for our democracy. I hope we don’t go back. But it looks like where we are slipping … that seems to be where the top is taking us.”
Wallace Kennedy never said Donald Trump’s name out loud, but she likened his politics to that of her father’s tactics, only worse.
“I’ve never seen anything like it,” she said. “I saw daddy a lot in 2016.”
Poverty, homelessness, & crime can be seen across America.
Singling out one city and Congressman is not about addressing the problems.
It's about something else.
And we all know it
Jim in CT 07-31-2019, 01:19 PM yeah, Trump is comparable to Wallace. Atta boy Columbo.
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The Dad Fisherman 07-31-2019, 01:34 PM The democratic party is tripping over themselves to take us back to the 60's of the south, if it will help them generate votes. It's pretty #^&#^&#^&#^&ing appalling to tell the truth.
Show me one Blacks only water fountain, Blacks only restaurant booth, or Blacks only bus seats, just one. Any examples of the National Guard walking blacks into schools? Any at all.
We have Black mayors, Black governors, Black senators and even a Black president. We have Black Coaches, Black business owners, and Black CEO's. Opportunity is everywhere, There are laws against dicrimination in hiring, housing, and public access.
You want to see the problem with racism, take a look in the mirror. People like you that see it everywhere it doesn't exist, are the problem. People that want to keep it alive because it helps push an agenda are really just terrible people.
Are Racists out there? of course they are. but lately people see it where it doesn't exist. it's been used so much that it has lost its power, its become white noise. Used to be that when you earned that moniker, it was because you were a really heinous human being, now it gets used all the time, just because you don't agree with someone's point of view.
Martin Luther King said "I look to a day when people will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character." We were getting there, then all of a sudden that wasn't good enough.
Pete F. 07-31-2019, 01:44 PM Things any person who is not a racist would never say.
I am the least racist person you will ever meet.
I don't have a racist bone in my body.
But apparently Trump has no issue calling people racists and has been doing that for a long time.
Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
See June 2007 speech--is Obama a total racist?
11:15 AM · Oct 3, 2012·Twitter Web Client
The Dad Fisherman 07-31-2019, 01:53 PM Decided to still be part of the problem, I see? Good for you.
Jim in CT 07-31-2019, 01:58 PM Things any person who is not a racist would never say.
I am the least racist person you will ever meet.
I don't have a racist bone in my body.
But apparently Trump has no issue calling people racists and has been doing that for a long time.
Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
See June 2007 speech--is Obama a total racist?
11:15 AM · Oct 3, 2012·Twitter Web Client
god you are an idiot. so
if someone denies being a racist, that means they are a racist.
so how does a true non racist defend himself, against charges of racism?
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Jim in CT 07-31-2019, 02:00 PM The democratic party is tripping over themselves to take us back to the 60's of the south, if it will help them generate votes. It's pretty #^&#^&#^&#^&ing appalling to tell the truth.
Show me one Blacks only water fountain, Blacks only restaurant booth, or Blacks only bus seats, just one. Any examples of the National Guard walking blacks into schools? Any at all.
We have Black mayors, Black governors, Black senators and even a Black president. We have Black Coaches, Black business owners, and Black CEO's. Opportunity is everywhere, There are laws against dicrimination in hiring, housing, and public access.
You want to see the problem with racism, take a look in the mirror. People like you that see it everywhere it doesn't exist, are the problem. People that want to keep it alive because it helps push an agenda are really just terrible people.
Are Racists out there? of course they are. but lately people see it where it doesn't exist. it's been used so much that it has lost its power, its become white noise. Used to be that when you earned that moniker, it was because you were a really heinous human being, now it gets used all the time, just because you don't agree with someone's point of view.
Martin Luther King said "I look to a day when people will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character." We were getting there, then all of a sudden that wasn't good enough.
its the only card they have left, and they are running the risk of over playing it. not sure endless and baseless accusations, gets them
victory in NC and OH. But we shall see.
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spence 07-31-2019, 02:11 PM so how does a true non racist defend himself, against charges of racism?
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Behavior.
Sea Dangles 07-31-2019, 02:17 PM god you are an idiot. so
if someone denies being a racist, that means they are a racist.
so how does a true non racist defend himself, against charges of racism?
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This is the same philosophy that determines tightening border security instigates more illegal entry. These are not intelligent people,they are simply malcontents throwing a Trumpy 4 year tantrum.
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Pete F. 07-31-2019, 02:19 PM Typical take one line from a speech and call it proof that someone else is a racist.
Sanders, an Independent from Vermont who caucuses with Democrats in Congress, gave the speech in question in Baltimore on Dec. 8, 2015. He said, “The fact of the matter is that America is the wealthiest country in the history of the world. But anyone who took the walk that we took around this neighborhood would not think you’re in a wealthy nation. You would think that you’re in a third world country.” and far more.
Watch the speech and then tell me it's equivalent.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fY3QKR4BnEQ
The Dad Fisherman 07-31-2019, 02:20 PM so how does a true non racist defend himself, against charges of racism?
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Trick Question, You Can't
Jim in CT 07-31-2019, 02:20 PM Behavior.
right, sure. like
when john mccain adopted a black orphaned girl, NO ONE would dare call him a racist right? Right? tel that to obama.
to you, behavior that insulates one from charges of racism, is pure liberal behavior.
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Jim in CT 07-31-2019, 02:21 PM Trick Question, You Can't
you can be a kool
aid drinking liberal. that seems to insulate one from baseless charges of racism.
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Jim in CT 07-31-2019, 02:23 PM Typical take one line from a speech and call it proof that someone else is a racist.
Sanders, an Independent from Vermont who caucuses with Democrats in Congress, gave the speech in question in Baltimore on Dec. 8, 2015. He said, “The fact of the matter is that America is the wealthiest country in the history of the world. But anyone who took the walk that we took around this neighborhood would not think you’re in a wealthy nation. You would think that you’re in a third world country.” and far more.
Watch the speech and then tell me it's equivalent.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fY3QKR4BnEQ
so if trump had said “america is great, but baltimore is rat infested”, that would have been non-racist?
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Jim in CT 07-31-2019, 02:26 PM Behavior.
trump married a foreigner, and oversaw a big increase in approved citizenship requests from immigrants. But he gets called a xenophobe 50 times a day.
He’s married to a foreigner, and gets called a xenophobe. And you’re telling us that behavior can insulate him from baseless charges of bigotry?
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Pete F. 07-31-2019, 02:26 PM right, sure. like
when john mccain adopted a black orphaned girl, NO ONE would dare call him a racist right? Right? tel that to obama.
to you, behavior that insulates one from charges of racism, is pure liberal behavior.
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Great strong men lead by example and believe in themselves, Trump is a weak insecure man and incapable of leading, only bullying.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JIjenjANqAk
spence 07-31-2019, 02:28 PM This is the same philosophy that determines tightening border security instigates more illegal entry. These are not intelligent people,they are simply malcontents throwing a Trumpy 4 year tantrum.
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Dropped your straw again didn't ya.
Jim in CT 07-31-2019, 02:37 PM Great strong men lead by example and believe in themselves, Trump is a weak insecure man and incapable of leading, only bullying.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JIjenjANqAk
i agree trump is weak.
that doesn’t support your demonstrably ludicrous claim, that if one chooses to act like a non racist, that he won’t get called a racist. this has nothing o do with trump, he’s one of many people
labeled as racist after beating the left.
george w bush has done far more for africa than any human being who has ever lived, saved the lives of more than a million africans thanks to his work with aids and malaria. but he was a racist.
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Jim in CT 07-31-2019, 02:38 PM Great strong men lead by example and believe in themselves, Trump is a weak insecure man and incapable of leading, only bullying.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JIjenjANqAk
i agree trump is weak.
that doesn’t support your demonstrably ludicrous claim, that if one chooses to act like a non racist, that he won’t get called a racist. this has nothing o do with trump, he’s one of many people
labeled as racist after beating the left.
george w bush has done far more for africa than any human being who has ever lived, saved the lives of more than a million africans thanks to his work with aids and malaria. but he was a racist.
McCains thanks for telling people
not to be afraid of obama, was being labeled a racist.
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Sea Dangles 07-31-2019, 03:15 PM Dropped your straw again didn't ya.
Jeff,the straw part can obviously be consuming but with a little understanding on all parts we will get through this. I promise you.
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Pete F. 07-31-2019, 03:24 PM i agree trump is weak.
that doesn’t support your demonstrably ludicrous claim, that if one chooses to act like a non racist, that he won’t get called a racist. this has nothing o do with trump, he’s one of many people
labeled as racist after beating the left.
george w bush has done far more for africa than any human being who has ever lived, saved the lives of more than a million africans thanks to his work with aids and malaria. but he was a racist.
McCains thanks for telling people
not to be afraid of obama, was being labeled a racist.
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A columnist, Jane Coaston, recently wrote this about just this subject.
I’ve been writing on conservatism and the right for several years. As part of that work, I spend most of my time reading right-leaning news outlets and opinion journals and talking to conservatives — fiscal conservatives and social conservatives, Trump-supportive, Trump-adjacent, and Trump-skeptical.
And in those travels, there’s an argument I hear a lot, particularly in the past week — that had liberals not been so quick to call some on the right, or some ideas on the right, racist, perhaps the right would not have resorted to uniting behind Donald Trump.
What if, in truth, the conservative movement’s inability to self-police itself against racism and establish firm guardrails against racists in the movement has resulted in an American right increasingly beholden to racism and racist arguments?
And what if, in truth, it’s the left that has seen this most clearly and that has been pointing it out again and again? Perhaps, if your movement has ultimately rallied around a racist, allegedly in response to being called racist, that’s evidence that the people who saw the power racist arguments held in your movement, and the frequency with which those views were referenced, were onto something all along.
Viewed in this light, the popularity of this excuse — the idea that if the left hadn’t been pointing out racism on the right, the right never would have embraced a racist as its leader — is the same denial that got conservatives into this mess perpetuating itself.
Right-leaning racism, weaponized
To begin with, the term “racism” includes ideas, policies, and actions that are based in prejudicial attitudes against people based on their real or perceived racial or ethnic identity and qualities associated with that background.
And it should be clear by now that racism, like any form of prejudice, has gradations. Not all racism is the racism of the men who murdered 14-year-old Emmett Till in 1955. Sometimes it’s the racism of middle-class white liberals who fervently oppose school desegregation efforts in major cities under the belief that the presence of black children would result in plummeting school quality. Sometimes it is the racism of the benighted “racial realists” who arrived at the conclusion that nonwhite people are inferior and have spent the past several centuries working to backfill an explanation. And sometimes it’s the racism of a Donald Trump, who, as I wrote last year, was shocked that members of the Congressional Black Caucus didn’t already know Housing and Urban Development Secretary Ben Carson.
And very rarely do racists think of themselves as racist. As former Alabama Gov. George Wallace, the man who once said, “segregation now, segregation tomorrow, and segregation forever,” said in an interview in 1968, “No, sir, I don’t regard myself as a racist, and I think the biggest racists in the world are those who call other folks racist. I think the biggest bigots in the world are those who call other folks bigots.”
But the kind of racism that’s most common in movement conservatism — by which I mean the political project of conservatism, with the intent of winning elections and changing policy and law — is what I call “instrumentalized” racism, the deliberate use of racism and racist tropes for the sole purpose of winning votes and elections.
People who engage in instrumentalized racism do so not necessarily because they themselves are “racist” on an individual level, but because they believe that voters will respond — and perhaps only respond — to racism. (After losing an election in 1958 to John Patterson, who had a devoted Klan following, Wallace allegedly said that he would never let a political adversary “out-ni**er” him again.) They can thus brag about the great work they’ve done on behalf of minority communities and their lack of racist bones while simultaneously wielding racism as a political cudgel — a cudgel they argue is necessary.
After all, even Patterson said in 2008 of his past racist invective, “When I became governor, there were 14 of us running for governor that time and all 14 of us were outspoken for segregation in the public schools. And if you had been perceived not to have been strong for that, you would not have won. I regret that, but there was not anything I could do about it but to live with it.” And Wallace famously said of his own campaigns, “You know, I tried to talk about good roads and good schools and all these things that have been part of my career, and nobody listened. And then I began talking about ni**ers, and they stomped the floor.”
But instrumentalized racism, of course, continued long after the fall of de jure Jim Crow. The 2000 Republican primary gave a tremendous (and considerably more recent) example of the genre:
In the 2000 Republican presidential primary then-Governor George Bush of Texas was running against Senator John McCain of Arizona. McCain won the New Hampshire primary and the race went on to South Carolina where the Bush campaign knew they had to stop McCain. Using a tried and true strategy, the phony poll, opponents of McCain spread a complete falsehood. Phone calls to South Carolina Republican voters asked “Would you be more or less likely to vote for John McCain … if you knew he had fathered an illegitimate black child?” McCain and his wife Cindy had adopted a dark-skinned girl from Bangladesh in 1991 and that child, Bridget, was campaigning with them in South Carolina.
Sea Dangles 07-31-2019, 03:39 PM Wow,PeteF. That is a fascinating opinion from a genuine expert on conservatism. Solid reporting as usual.
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Jim in CT 07-31-2019, 04:29 PM A columnist, Jane Coaston, recently wrote this about just this subject.
I’ve been writing on conservatism and the right for several years. As part of that work, I spend most of my time reading right-leaning news outlets and opinion journals and talking to conservatives — fiscal conservatives and social conservatives, Trump-supportive, Trump-adjacent, and Trump-skeptical.
And in those travels, there’s an argument I hear a lot, particularly in the past week — that had liberals not been so quick to call some on the right, or some ideas on the right, racist, perhaps the right would not have resorted to uniting behind Donald Trump.
What if, in truth, the conservative movement’s inability to self-police itself against racism and establish firm guardrails against racists in the movement has resulted in an American right increasingly beholden to racism and racist arguments?
And what if, in truth, it’s the left that has seen this most clearly and that has been pointing it out again and again? Perhaps, if your movement has ultimately rallied around a racist, allegedly in response to being called racist, that’s evidence that the people who saw the power racist arguments held in your movement, and the frequency with which those views were referenced, were onto something all along.
Viewed in this light, the popularity of this excuse — the idea that if the left hadn’t been pointing out racism on the right, the right never would have embraced a racist as its leader — is the same denial that got conservatives into this mess perpetuating itself.
Right-leaning racism, weaponized
To begin with, the term “racism” includes ideas, policies, and actions that are based in prejudicial attitudes against people based on their real or perceived racial or ethnic identity and qualities associated with that background.
And it should be clear by now that racism, like any form of prejudice, has gradations. Not all racism is the racism of the men who murdered 14-year-old Emmett Till in 1955. Sometimes it’s the racism of middle-class white liberals who fervently oppose school desegregation efforts in major cities under the belief that the presence of black children would result in plummeting school quality. Sometimes it is the racism of the benighted “racial realists” who arrived at the conclusion that nonwhite people are inferior and have spent the past several centuries working to backfill an explanation. And sometimes it’s the racism of a Donald Trump, who, as I wrote last year, was shocked that members of the Congressional Black Caucus didn’t already know Housing and Urban Development Secretary Ben Carson.
And very rarely do racists think of themselves as racist. As former Alabama Gov. George Wallace, the man who once said, “segregation now, segregation tomorrow, and segregation forever,” said in an interview in 1968, “No, sir, I don’t regard myself as a racist, and I think the biggest racists in the world are those who call other folks racist. I think the biggest bigots in the world are those who call other folks bigots.”
But the kind of racism that’s most common in movement conservatism — by which I mean the political project of conservatism, with the intent of winning elections and changing policy and law — is what I call “instrumentalized” racism, the deliberate use of racism and racist tropes for the sole purpose of winning votes and elections.
People who engage in instrumentalized racism do so not necessarily because they themselves are “racist” on an individual level, but because they believe that voters will respond — and perhaps only respond — to racism. (After losing an election in 1958 to John Patterson, who had a devoted Klan following, Wallace allegedly said that he would never let a political adversary “out-ni**er” him again.) They can thus brag about the great work they’ve done on behalf of minority communities and their lack of racist bones while simultaneously wielding racism as a political cudgel — a cudgel they argue is necessary.
After all, even Patterson said in 2008 of his past racist invective, “When I became governor, there were 14 of us running for governor that time and all 14 of us were outspoken for segregation in the public schools. And if you had been perceived not to have been strong for that, you would not have won. I regret that, but there was not anything I could do about it but to live with it.” And Wallace famously said of his own campaigns, “You know, I tried to talk about good roads and good schools and all these things that have been part of my career, and nobody listened. And then I began talking about ni**ers, and they stomped the floor.”
But instrumentalized racism, of course, continued long after the fall of de jure Jim Crow. The 2000 Republican primary gave a tremendous (and considerably more recent) example of the genre:
In the 2000 Republican presidential primary then-Governor George Bush of Texas was running against Senator John McCain of Arizona. McCain won the New Hampshire primary and the race went on to South Carolina where the Bush campaign knew they had to stop McCain. Using a tried and true strategy, the phony poll, opponents of McCain spread a complete falsehood. Phone calls to South Carolina Republican voters asked “Would you be more or less likely to vote for John McCain … if you knew he had fathered an illegitimate black child?” McCain and his wife Cindy had adopted a dark-skinned girl from Bangladesh in 1991 and that child, Bridget, was campaigning with them in South Carolina.
Big whoop, you found someone who no one has ever heard of, who thinks the GOP is racist. Doesn't make it so Pete. If I post an article saying Obama wasn't born here, would you believe it.
God almighty. Unless every single liberal agrees that the GOP isn't racist, they are racist. That's what you're saying?
If one random person says the GOP is racist, that's good enough for you! But when MLK's niece says that Trump isn't racist, you are not swayed by that. You assume everyone who agrees with you is 100% credible, and everyone who disagrees with you has zero credibility. You are exactly that simple minded
Pete, we get it. every single post of yours, EVERY SINGLE one, can be boiled down to liberal=good, conservative=bad.
Why did I resume responding to you?
Jim in CT 07-31-2019, 04:32 PM Wow,PeteF. That is a fascinating opinion from a genuine expert on conservatism. Solid reporting as usual.
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Hey if she (whoever she is) says we're racist, we better all switch to the democratic party. Who are we to question her?
Funny she said it was racism to falsely imply that McCain had an affair. But she didn't see any racism when the democrats tried to railroad Clarence Thomas, by using the old Klan notion that black men can't be trusted around women, THAT wasn't racist, not according to Jane Coaston.
All hail Jane Coaston!
spence 07-31-2019, 04:45 PM Funny she said it was racism to falsely imply that McCain had an affair. But she didn't see any racism when the democrats tried to railroad Clarence Thomas, by using the old Klan notion that black men can't be trusted around women, THAT wasn't racist, not according to Jane Coaston.
Actually that was a black woman accusing a black man of harassment.
PaulS 07-31-2019, 04:49 PM Come on, it is inconceivable that a Repub. Pres. would say anything racist.
The Dad Fisherman 07-31-2019, 05:05 PM Come on, it is inconceivable that a Repub. Pres. would say anything racist.
No, it’s not inconceivable. But is it any less inconceivable that what came out of his mouth wasn’t based on racism, but good ole azzhole-ism.
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PaulS 07-31-2019, 05:10 PM No, it’s not inconceivable. But is it any less inconceivable that what came out of his mouth wasn’t based on racism, but good ole azzhole-ism.
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If it was #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&ism he would have use something other than a racist term. I didn't hear the other Republican president scolding him for the use of that term either.
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PaulS 07-31-2019, 05:18 PM Occam's razor
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scottw 07-31-2019, 05:34 PM Occam's straw
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fixed it :)
spence 07-31-2019, 05:51 PM fixed it :)
You don’t need to discount Dangles like that.
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The Dad Fisherman 07-31-2019, 06:13 PM If it was #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&ism he would have use something other than a racist term. I didn't hear the other Republican president scolding him for the use of that term either.
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Rat infested is a racist term?
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PaulS 07-31-2019, 06:34 PM Rat infested is a racist term?
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You do know I'm talking about Reagan and Nixon right?
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scottw 07-31-2019, 06:41 PM You don’t need to discount Dangles like that.
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c'mon...that was funny
The Dad Fisherman 07-31-2019, 06:48 PM You do know I'm talking about Reagan and Nixon right?
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I'm still trying to figure out how I was supposed to know that :huh:
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PaulS 07-31-2019, 06:53 PM I'm still trying to figure out how I was supposed to know that :huh:
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There is a tape that came out today Regan calling Nixon up. Look it up and see what Reagan said
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scottw 07-31-2019, 06:53 PM I'm still trying to figure out how I was supposed to know that :huh:
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it's mostly nonsensical babble...just nod and pretend you understand what the hell they are whining about
Jim in CT 07-31-2019, 06:55 PM Come on, it is inconceivable that a Repub. Pres. would say anything racist.
never said that. but your side says it’s racist every time
he’s a jerk to a black person.’ or when he says baltimore is a failing city with a rat problem.
paul, you are by far the most reasonable
if these guys. please stop claiming that we are saying republicans can’t be racist. but just disagreeing with democrats, isn’t necessarily racist.
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Jim in CT 07-31-2019, 06:57 PM If it was #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&ism he would have use something other than a racist term. I didn't hear the other Republican president scolding him for the use of that term either.
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what racist term?
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Jim in CT 07-31-2019, 06:57 PM I'm still trying to figure out how I was supposed to know that :huh:
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i assumed we were talking about trump too...
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Sea Dangles 07-31-2019, 07:27 PM Actually that was a black woman accusing a black man of harassment.
Is this a straw based theory?
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Sea Dangles 07-31-2019, 07:29 PM There is a tape that came out today Regan calling Nixon up. Look it up and see what Reagan said
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Keep proving how smart you can be. Like the other not so smarties.
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Sea Dangles 07-31-2019, 07:31 PM Stupid azz Fuchs trying to make a point.
Haja
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