Two nice, moderate, not extremist or yahoo kooks discuss a media problem. About 36 minutes minus the ad interuptions that can be deleted:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2va_hKlDZuA

Two nice, moderate, not extremist or yahoo kooks discuss a media problem. About 36 minutes minus the ad interuptions that can be deleted:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2va_hKlDZuA



This news outlet is reportedly spending millions on pro-Trump ads in the hopes he'll destroy China's Communist Party

The Epoch Times newspaper is run by a Chinese religious sect and is the largest pro-Trump spender on Facebook.

Epoch re tweets tweets
“The LameStream Media is far beyond Fake News, they are treading in very dangerous territory!”

President Trump said internal polls from his campaign show the strongest numbers he’s had over his presidency, accusing the media of spreading "#FakeNews."

funny you guys do the same thing on climate get one persons to reinforce your view .. and you think you proved your argument ...

in your link you tried to plant what you call a not extremist or yahoo kook... in a media platform that are clearly biased and in Trumps corner
100% again in an effort Trumps not getting a fair shake ....

I never have the 30-60 minutes to watch these (work beckons) but the first 7 minutes were spot on.

You can thank Ronald regan for fake news.
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This news outlet is reportedly spending millions on pro-Trump ads in the hopes he'll destroy China's Communist Party

You make it sound like destroying the Chinese Communist Party is a bad thing. Sometimes those who are horribly oppressed by Communist dictatorships actually fight back. I'm sure the Chicoms would love to have Epoch Times marginalized and destroyed, like they are about to do with Hong Kong's "one country two systems" status, changing it to simply one country where certain people (like devout Christians) simply somehow disappear.

China, like other current totalitarian states (Islamic), understands how best to beat us. Just throw our own values back at us and pretend we're the bad guys while they carry on as if innocent. It's kind of what you do. I'm sure the Chinese Reds would love it if everyone could just see the Epoch Times the way you do.

And the Epoch Times, though they often, and with good and valid reasons. focus on Communist China and our relations with it, they do a lot of other good stuff. They did a lot of good work on the Mueller investigation, and they've done some in depth work on our economic policies, as well as many other topics.

But keep up the good work for leftist causes, kill the messenger, don't discuss the message.

The Epoch Times newspaper is run by a Chinese religious sect and is the largest pro-Trump spender on Facebook.

Would it be better if it were the smallest one? Does the spending make what they say untrue? You do here what you most always do, portray the messenger in what you think is a bad light and hope that the message is somehow discredited and needs no reason therefor to be discussed.

Epoch re tweets tweets
“The LameStream Media is far beyond Fake News, they are treading in very dangerous territory!”

Seems like most of the media retweets Trumps tweets.

President Trump said internal polls from his campaign show the strongest numbers he’s had over his presidency, accusing the media of spreading "#FakeNews."

Trump has opinions. Shocking.

funny you guys do the same thing on climate get one persons to reinforce your view .. and you think you proved your argument ...

So what are you saying--I should gather up all the folks who have what you call my view in one post? You make a stupid comment and think you have proved something.

in your link you tried to plant what you call a not extremist or yahoo kook... in a media platform that are clearly biased and in Trumps corner
100% again in an effort Trumps not getting a fair shake ....

Oh, come off it. All media are biased. You are biased. I am sure you consider your bias to be a good one. So does everyone else. The only way to come to some agreements about our biases is to actually discuss them. You don't do that. You just keep making accusations, attempting to marginalize, to discredit, without actually discussing the ideas themselves.

This video gave a rational presentation of what's going on with the mainstream media bias and you deflect with something about an attempt to destroy the Chinese Communist Party. You couldn't find anything in the 36 minutes of the video worth discussing, yet JohnR found agreement with what was said in just the first 7 minutes.

Perhaps all should try what the Epoch Times publishers promote.


Falun Dafa (also called Falun Gong) is an advanced practice of Buddha school self-cultivation, founded by Mr. Li Hongzhi, the practice’s master. It is a discipline in which “assimilation to the highest qualities of the universe—Zhen, Shan, Ren (Truthfulness, Compassion, Forbearance)—is the foundation of practice. Practice is guided by these supreme qualities, and based on the very laws which underlie the development of the cosmos.” Master Li’s teachings are set forth in a number of texts, among which are included Falun Gong, Zhuan Falun, The Great Perfection Way of Falun Dafa, Essentials for Further Advancement, and Hong Yin (The Grand Verses). These and other works have been translated into over forty languages, and are published and distributed worldwide.

The focus of Falun Dafa practice is the mind, with the cultivation of one’s mind and thoughts, or “Xinxing,” being singled out as the key to increasing Gong energy. The height of a person’s Gong is directly proportionate to that of his Xinxing. The concept of “Xinxing” encompasses the transformation of virtue (a white form of matter) and karma (a black form of matter). It also includes forbearance, discernment, and abandonment—that is, forsaking ordinary human desires and attachments, and managing to endure the most trying of ordeals. Much is encompassed by the concept.

Falun Dafa also includes the cultivation of the body, which is accomplished by performing specific exercises. One purpose of the exercises is to strengthen the practitioner’s supernatural abilities and energy mechanisms by means of his or her powerful Gong force. Another purpose is to develop many living entities in the practitioner’s body. In advanced practice, the Immortal Infant will come into being and many abilities will be developed. The exercises of Falun Dafa are necessary for the transformation and cultivation of such things. A comprehensive mind-body cultivation system such as this requires both self-cultivation and physical exercises, with cultivation taking priority over exercises. A person’s Gong simply will not increase if he or she merely does exercises while failing to cultivate Xinxing. The exercises are thus a supplemental means to achieving spiritual perfection.

Falun Dafa involves the cultivation of a Falun, or “law wheel.” The Falun is an intelligent, rotating entity composed of high-energy matter. The Falun that Master Li Hongzhi plants in a practitioner’s lower abdomen from other dimensions rotates constantly, twenty-four hours a day. (True cultivators can acquire a Falun by reading Master Li’s books, watching his 9-session lectures on video, listening to recordings of his 9-session lectures, or studying together with students of Falun Dafa.) The Falun helps practitioners to practice automatically. That is, the Falun refines the practitioner at all times, even though he or she isn’t performing the exercises at every moment. Of all practices made public in the world today, only Falun Dafa has managed to achieve a state in which, “the Fa refines the person.”

The rotating Falun has the same qualities as the universe, and is the universe’s miniature. The Buddhist Falun, the Daoist Yin-Yang, and everything of the Ten-Directional World are reflected in the Falun. The Falun provides salvation to the practitioner when it rotates inward (clockwise), since it absorbs a great amount of energy from the universe and transforms it into Gong energy. The Falun provides salvation to others when rotating outward (counter-clockwise), for it releases energy that can save any being and rectify any abnormal condition. Being in the presence of someone who practices thus benefits a person.

Falun Dafa “brings a person to a state of wisdom and harmonious existence. The movements of the practice are concise, as a great way is extremely simple and easy.” Falun Dafa is unique in eight ways:

1. A Falun is cultivated, rather than an energy elixir.

2. The Falun refines the person even when he or she is not doing the practice’s exercises.

3. One’s primary consciousness is cultivated, such that it is the person him or herself who obtains Gong energy.

4. Both mind and body are cultivated.

5. The practice consists of five exercises, which are simple and easy to learn.

6. The mind is not used to direct anything, there are no associated risks, and Gong energy increases quickly.

7. Location, time, and direction are not of concern when exercising, nor is how one concludes one’s exercise session.

8. Protection is provided by the master's Fashen, so one needn’t fear harm from malevolent entities.

The teachings of Falun Dafa are thus completely unlike those of conventional practice methods or those that are based on the development of an internal elixir, or Dan.

Falun Dafa practice begins at a high plane right from the outset, thus providing the most expedient, fast, ideal, and precious means of practice for those with a predestined connection or who have been practicing for years using other means but failed to develop Gong.

When a practitioner’s Xinxing and the strength of his Gong reach a certain height, he or she can attain an imperishable, adamantine body while still in the secular world. A person can also achieve the “unlocking of Gong,” enlightenment, and ascension of the whole person to higher planes. Those with great determination should study this upright teaching, strive to achieve their ultimate rank, elevate their Xinxing, and forsake their attachments. Only then is spiritual perfection possible.

May you cherish it—the Buddha Fa is right before you.

https://en.falundafa.org/index.html

Two nice, moderate, not extremist or yahoo kooks discuss a media problem. About 36 minutes minus the ad interuptions that can be deleted:


Just a reminder that the WH press office regularly denies reports that Trump himself later confirms to be true.

Yesterday

FOX NEWS: Is a payroll tax cut being considered?

GIDLEY: It's not being considered at this time.

Perhaps all should try what the Epoch Times publishers promote.


Falun Dafa (also called Falun Gong) is an advanced practice of Buddha school self-cultivation, founded by Mr. Li Hongzhi, the practice’s master. It is a discipline in which “assimilation to the highest qualities of the universe—Zhen, Shan, Ren (Truthfulness, Compassion, Forbearance)—is the foundation of practice. Practice is guided by these supreme qualities, and based on the very laws which underlie the development of the cosmos.” Master Li’s teachings are set forth in a number of texts, among which are included Falun Gong, Zhuan Falun, The Great Perfection Way of Falun Dafa, Essentials for Further Advancement, and Hong Yin (The Grand Verses). These and other works have been translated into over forty languages, and are published and distributed worldwide.

The focus of Falun Dafa practice is the mind, with the cultivation of one’s mind and thoughts, or “Xinxing,” being singled out as the key to increasing Gong energy. The height of a person’s Gong is directly proportionate to that of his Xinxing. The concept of “Xinxing” encompasses the transformation of virtue (a white form of matter) and karma (a black form of matter). It also includes forbearance, discernment, and abandonment—that is, forsaking ordinary human desires and attachments, and managing to endure the most trying of ordeals. Much is encompassed by the concept.

Falun Dafa also includes the cultivation of the body, which is accomplished by performing specific exercises. One purpose of the exercises is to strengthen the practitioner’s supernatural abilities and energy mechanisms by means of his or her powerful Gong force. Another purpose is to develop many living entities in the practitioner’s body. In advanced practice, the Immortal Infant will come into being and many abilities will be developed. The exercises of Falun Dafa are necessary for the transformation and cultivation of such things. A comprehensive mind-body cultivation system such as this requires both self-cultivation and physical exercises, with cultivation taking priority over exercises. A person’s Gong simply will not increase if he or she merely does exercises while failing to cultivate Xinxing. The exercises are thus a supplemental means to achieving spiritual perfection.

Falun Dafa involves the cultivation of a Falun, or “law wheel.” The Falun is an intelligent, rotating entity composed of high-energy matter. The Falun that Master Li Hongzhi plants in a practitioner’s lower abdomen from other dimensions rotates constantly, twenty-four hours a day. (True cultivators can acquire a Falun by reading Master Li’s books, watching his 9-session lectures on video, listening to recordings of his 9-session lectures, or studying together with students of Falun Dafa.) The Falun helps practitioners to practice automatically. That is, the Falun refines the practitioner at all times, even though he or she isn’t performing the exercises at every moment. Of all practices made public in the world today, only Falun Dafa has managed to achieve a state in which, “the Fa refines the person.”

The rotating Falun has the same qualities as the universe, and is the universe’s miniature. The Buddhist Falun, the Daoist Yin-Yang, and everything of the Ten-Directional World are reflected in the Falun. The Falun provides salvation to the practitioner when it rotates inward (clockwise), since it absorbs a great amount of energy from the universe and transforms it into Gong energy. The Falun provides salvation to others when rotating outward (counter-clockwise), for it releases energy that can save any being and rectify any abnormal condition. Being in the presence of someone who practices thus benefits a person.

Falun Dafa “brings a person to a state of wisdom and harmonious existence. The movements of the practice are concise, as a great way is extremely simple and easy.” Falun Dafa is unique in eight ways:

1. A Falun is cultivated, rather than an energy elixir.

2. The Falun refines the person even when he or she is not doing the practice’s exercises.

3. One’s primary consciousness is cultivated, such that it is the person him or herself who obtains Gong energy.

4. Both mind and body are cultivated.

5. The practice consists of five exercises, which are simple and easy to learn.

6. The mind is not used to direct anything, there are no associated risks, and Gong energy increases quickly.

7. Location, time, and direction are not of concern when exercising, nor is how one concludes one’s exercise session.

8. Protection is provided by the master's Fashen, so one needn’t fear harm from malevolent entities.

The teachings of Falun Dafa are thus completely unlike those of conventional practice methods or those that are based on the development of an internal elixir, or Dan.

Falun Dafa practice begins at a high plane right from the outset, thus providing the most expedient, fast, ideal, and precious means of practice for those with a predestined connection or who have been practicing for years using other means but failed to develop Gong.

When a practitioner’s Xinxing and the strength of his Gong reach a certain height, he or she can attain an imperishable, adamantine body while still in the secular world. A person can also achieve the “unlocking of Gong,” enlightenment, and ascension of the whole person to higher planes. Those with great determination should study this upright teaching, strive to achieve their ultimate rank, elevate their Xinxing, and forsake their attachments. Only then is spiritual perfection possible.

May you cherish it—the Buddha Fa is right before you.

https://en.falundafa.org/index.html

Don't know what this has to do with the video and topic of this thread. Seems to be another wdmso type deflection from it. Before you mentioned this, I had seen several articles and videos by The Epoch Times. None of them discussed, nor "promoted," Falung Gong. This "revelation" does not change anything in terms of the articles or videos that I saw. Epoch Times is one of the new media that are a balance against our leftist slanting majority traditional media.

As for your suggestion about what we should all try, I say to each his own (or her or it, etc.). Many of us would rather not try what the NYT or CNN promote in biased, leftist, mischaracterization and lying about those who have anti-Progressive values, along with strictly materialistic practices and beliefs. I don't care what Pete promotes, just that he doesn't lie about it and try to force "all' of us to be like him.

I think that it is deceptive, even malicious, of Pete F to shift from the topic of this thread to something that, I guess, would discredit it. I don't know what Pete F "tries" in order to make his life better and meaningful. For the purpose of this forum, I care what he says about the topics that are posted. It is, however, indicative of something personal about him that he so often tries to change the subject.

As far as Falun Gong, which I am not interested in trying, but am interested in the VARIOUS news delivered by those he claims promote it, here is an interesting article published in Epoch Times about it. Doesn't seem to be "promoting" it, but shows what it's like for those in China who want to practice it. Maybe Pete F and wdmso think that Falung Gong practitioners are not qualified to have valid opinions of media bias. Oh, right, the two folks discussing that in the video are not Falung Gong. But, what the heck, bring it up anyway, not to discredit, but just to . . . er . . . inform. So here is some information:

ttps://www.theepochtimes.com/couple-endures-through-years-of-persecution-and-suffering-keeping-their-faith-and-each-other-alive_2962356.html

Just a reminder that the WH press office regularly denies reports that Trump himself later confirms to be true.

Yesterday

FOX NEWS: Is a payroll tax cut being considered?

GIDLEY: It's not being considered at this time.

I'm sure there are many, many things you can remind us of. And you probably will. But let me remind you that it might be polite, if not meaningful, if you actually comment on what was posted. You know, like sometimes the other side of the story has something important to say.

I think I'D rather watch Sponge Bob square pants. Thank you.

The Epoch Times is organized as a 501(c)(3) non-profit based in New York. That means it gets some of its funding from donors. Who are the donors? Under U.S. law, The Epoch Times is required to report them to the IRS but not required to make them public.

Epoch Times is paid to espouse their founders/funders agenda, mainstream media makes money by selling advertising and subscriptions to support gathering and reporting news and events.

That is when they are not plotting to overthrow Trump.

The Epoch Times is organized as a 501(c)(3) non-profit based in New York. That means it gets some of its funding from donors. Who are the donors? Under U.S. law, The Epoch Times is required to report them to the IRS but not required to make them public.

Epoch Times is paid to espouse their founders/funders agenda, mainstream media makes money by selling advertising and subscriptions to support gathering and reporting news and events.

That is when they are not plotting to overthrow Trump.

So, again, you change the subject. Do you, or do you not, believe what was said in the video is true? See, that would amount to a discussion of it, not a dismissal on other grounds. I DON'T CARE HOW IT'S FUNDED. (so long as it's legal). I CARE WHAT IT SAYS.

Oh, come off it. All media are biased. You are biased. I am sure you consider your bias to be a good one. So does everyone else. The only way to come to some agreements about our biases is to actually discuss them. You don't do that. You just keep making accusations, attempting to marginalize, to discredit, without actually discussing the ideas themselves.

This video gave a rational presentation of what's going on with the mainstream media bias and you deflect with something about an attempt to destroy the Chinese Communist Party. You couldn't find anything in the 36 minutes of the video worth discussing, yet JohnR found agreement with what was said in just the first 7 minutes.
the issue is its as paid advertisement by a media outlet who is in trumps corner.. complaing Trump isnt getting a fair shake. You cant have it both ways

92 percent of Republicans and Republican-leaning independents "say that traditional news outlets knowingly report false or misleading stories at least sometimes,"

You dont need this women to convince republicans.. there conspiracy driven naturally
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Accuracy in Media is as far right aligned as you can get and gave the viewpoint that those who fund it support.
She speaks well and makes persuasive partisan arguments.
That does not make them true.
Trump did make the "both sides" comment.

Spinning it into something else is what I expect from a right wing organization.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=345eJdwMYVA

Just a reminder that the WH press office regularly denies reports that Trump himself later confirms to be true.

Yesterday

FOX NEWS: Is a payroll tax cut being considered?

GIDLEY: It's not being considered at this time.

And today we are back to tax cut's not being considered.

What a great leader.
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What a great leader.
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He will proclaim himself President for life sooner or later.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jNu44PokNE4

That would be ANOTHER great decision.
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That would be ANOTHER great decision.
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“Delusions of grandeur” is a symptom of several different personality disorders.

https://medicalnewstoday.com/articles/321649.php

So it is Peter,you are the smartest in the room again. Your parents must be proud.
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the issue is its as paid advertisement by a media outlet who is in trumps corner.. complaing Trump isnt getting a fair shake. You cant have it both ways

You haven't addressed the issue presented in the video. We all have issues. If you want to discuss your issue, start your own thread. Telling us what your issue is in this case does not refute, much less even discuss, what was said in the video. Either she was telling the truth or she wasn't. Either she was being logical, rational, and reasonable, or she wasn't.

As far as your issue goes, there is more statistical (and logical, rational, and reasonable) evidence that most of the mainstream media is against Trump. That it lies about Trump. And that the corner they're in is the anti-Trump corner. And their "journalists" get paid a lot to be there. Probably a lot more than Epoch Times's. And their stories are basically anti-Trump advertisements disguised as reportage.

92 percent of Republicans and Republican-leaning independents "say that traditional news outlets knowingly report false or misleading stories at least sometimes,"

Is that some other "issue" you want to discuss, or just another throw-in to avoid discussing the video?

You dont need this women to convince republicans.. there conspiracy driven naturally
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And yet another "issue." Republicans are conspiracy driven. Care to start a thread about that. Or if, good God, you really are commenting on the video by claiming that she was fabricating a conspiracy . . . do tell. Tell us how you arrived at that conclusion.

the issue is its as paid advertisement by a media outlet who is in trumps corner..

Also, since you like to rag on the messenger rather than discuss the message, Media Bias/Fact Check says this about The Epoch Times: "Typically, these stories are well sourced and reasonably low biased." And "they have not failed any fact checks."

Accuracy in Media is as far right aligned as you can get and gave the viewpoint that those who fund it support.
She speaks well and makes persuasive partisan arguments.
That does not make them true.
Trump did make the "both sides" comment.

Spinning it into something else is what I expect from a right wing organization.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=345eJdwMYVA

YOU DID NOT DISCUSS ANYTHING SHE SAID. You, typically applied a label that is supposed to be negative to her organization, and that, presumably, discredits anything she says. That's too effen easy. Put up or shut up. She made several comments and observations that you could dispute if you were able to do so. Since you didn't, it is logical to assume that you are not able.

As for Trump's "both sides" comment, it has been pointed out on this forum at least three times what exactly he said in full and in context. And it was shown every time what he meant by the comment. None of those times were you able to refute what he meant in the parsing of his actual words. He never, ever, said Neo Nazis or White Nationalists were fine people. It was only in the "interpretation" of what he said, by those who consistently "interpret" him to be Alt Right, Nazi, White Nationalist, blah, blah. The "both sides" comment is the premier canary in the coal mine test for anti-Trump media bias. It is the proof positive that the media, in conjunction with Dem politicians and all anti-Trumpers, are deliberately trying to paint Trump as something he is not.

I watched your video. It did not have the "both sides" comment nor any "interpretation" of it. Perhaps I missed that part. Watched it twice.

Keep acclaiming the “Chosen One”, The King of Israel, the Second coming of God.
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The greatest president of our lifetime
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The Anti-Christ will pretend that he is the son of Almighty God.
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The greatest president of our lifetime
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He has, quintessentially, improved the relative quality of all other American Presidents, to date.
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the issue is its as paid advertisement by a media outlet who is in trumps corner.. complaing Trump isnt getting a fair shake. You cant have it both ways

92 percent of Republicans and Republican-leaning independents "say that traditional news outlets knowingly report false or misleading stories at least sometimes,"

You dont need this women to convince republicans.. there conspiracy driven naturally
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She mentioned fox news popularity but not in the same box as abc cbs nbc. About bias

Said Trumps behavior was acceptable hes just a equal opportunity approach to attacking people .. brought up the clinton foundation and steponoplous .

And the host suggested the mainstream media is just trying to shame or guilt Trump..

Maybe you should listen to what Trump actually says ..instead of youtube video and representing them as earth shattering

Youtube truthful. Main stream media liers

Thats hilarious how much you trust and repost from youtube .
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He has, quintessentially, improved the relative quality of all other American Presidents, to date.
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You need to dumb it down a little so he knows what you mean.

This is real leadership,the kind that makes the snowflakes heads spin.
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The President had a tantrum at NATO ally Denmark only because it wouldn't sell him Greenland, doubled down on an anti-Semitic trope, basked in the praise of a right-wing conspiracy theorist, helped advance Russian foreign policy, joked he'd like to award himself a Medal of Honor, endorsed a comparison of him to a King and deified himself as a "chosen one. He is a one man.
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This is real leadership,the kind that makes the snowflakes heads spin.
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I guess you are not tired of winning yet, remember nobody goes bankrupt better than the USA under Donald Trump.

• Under current law, debt held by the public will rise by more than $12.8 trillion over the next decade – from $16.5 trillion today to $29.3 trillion by 2029.
• Debt as a share of the economy will rise rapidly, from today’s post-World War II record of 78 percent of Gross Domestic Product (GDP) to 95 percent of GDP by 2029 (up from 92 percent under the previous baseline in May). If the 2017 tax cuts and other policies are extended, it would reach 101 percent by 2029.
• Annual budget deficits will exceed the trillion-dollar mark next year and rise to $1.4 trillion, or 4.5 percent of GDP, by the end of the decade.
• Growing debt and deficits are driven by a disconnect between spending and revenue. Under current law, spending will grow from 20.8 percent of GDP this year to 22.7 percent of GDP by 2029, while revenue will remain roughly between 16 and 17 percent of GDP through 2025 and rise to 18.2 percent of GDP by 2029, assuming recent tax cuts expire as scheduled.
• The Bipartisan Budget Act of 2019 substantially worsened the fiscal outlook, adding $1.7 trillion to projected deficits over the decade. Other legislative changes increased deficits by an additional $260 billion. Partially offsetting this, revised forecasts for interest rates and other factors will reduce projected deficits by $1.1 trillion. In total, CBO projects deficits to be $872 billion higher than projected in May.

sara sanders just joined fox news ...

that's clearly different then hiring stephanopoulos after clinton's 1st term . which the women in the video and the host had an issue with..

I guess you are not tired of winning yet, remember nobody goes bankrupt better than the USA under Donald Trump.

• Under current law, debt held by the public will rise by more than $12.8 trillion over the next decade – from $16.5 trillion today to $29.3 trillion by 2029.
• Debt as a share of the economy will rise rapidly, from today’s post-World War II record of 78 percent of Gross Domestic Product (GDP) to 95 percent of GDP by 2029 (up from 92 percent under the previous baseline in May). If the 2017 tax cuts and other policies are extended, it would reach 101 percent by 2029.
• Annual budget deficits will exceed the trillion-dollar mark next year and rise to $1.4 trillion, or 4.5 percent of GDP, by the end of the decade.
• Growing debt and deficits are driven by a disconnect between spending and revenue. Under current law, spending will grow from 20.8 percent of GDP this year to 22.7 percent of GDP by 2029, while revenue will remain roughly between 16 and 17 percent of GDP through 2025 and rise to 18.2 percent of GDP by 2029, assuming recent tax cuts expire as scheduled.
• The Bipartisan Budget Act of 2019 substantially worsened the fiscal outlook, adding $1.7 trillion to projected deficits over the decade. Other legislative changes increased deficits by an additional $260 billion. Partially offsetting this, revised forecasts for interest rates and other factors will reduce projected deficits by $1.1 trillion. In total, CBO projects deficits to be $872 billion higher than projected in May.

I just don’t see debt as a problem. Maybe I am just conservative and live within my means.
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sara sanders just joined fox news ...

that's clearly different then hiring stephanopoulos after clinton's 1st term . which the women in the video and the host had an issue with..

Listening to her talk, she probably would have an issue with that as well.
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The President had a tantrum at NATO ally Denmark only because it wouldn't sell him Greenland, doubled down on an anti-Semitic trope, basked in the praise of a right-wing conspiracy theorist, helped advance Russian foreign policy, joked he'd like to award himself a Medal of Honor, endorsed a comparison of him to a King and deified himself as a "chosen one. He is a one man.
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Hah! And you guys keep saying he hasn't accomplished anything! Do you realize how difficult it is to have a noteworthy tantrum at Denmark? Could you or your mother? Who would care? Tantrums are very powerful things when done by those who have the legitimate responsibility to throw them at another country. Look at the commotion Trump has created by this. Who else could have pulled off such furor over being furious? You gotta give the man some credit. And Greenland would have been a nice addition to our collection of States. With global warming it will become green again, it could have made the green new deal work. I would throw a tantrum at Denmark for not selling it to us. Actually, throwing in Denmark into the purchase would have really sealed the deal. And why wouldn't Denmark go for it? It sold itself to the EU. It would do better being a part of the US. The EU is a squabbling mess with some wanting to exit and a bunch being subsidized by the rest, and it depends on US power to protect it anyway.

And doubling down on anti-Semitic tropes while supporting Israel like nobody else and having Jews as a very important part of his family--who could pull such a thing off? Could Ben Gurion or Golda Meijer or Neten"yahoo" have done that? It takes quite a man to pull off that stunt!

Now . . . basking in the praise of right wing conspiracy theorists is not easy. Have you ever tried it. Do you realize how quickly your basking would turn into a butt-burning scorching by the NYT or CNN. You couldn't handle that. C'mon man, the guy has some real nads.

And poor Russia. SOMEBODY has to help it advance its foreign policy. It doesn't do a very good job of it itself. We should help our neighbors. Maybe we could buy it. Vodka and Russian women--great addition.

And the humility of merely awarding himself the medal of honor. He, obviously, deserves so much more. That he would settle for only that, and miss the opportunity to bask in all the other medals and honors he is entitled to . . . I mean . . . this is the essence of magnanimous!

Also, endorsing comparisons is quite difficult and fairly rare. And to a king--that requires real stature. Very few could do this.

But the masterpiece, the magnum opus, the masterwork, the tour de force. the showpiece, the prize, the gem, the jewel of endorsing comparisons is self deification. I don't think God could even do that. This is the height of power, of magnificence, and of earthly and heavenly accomplishment! Pay attention! What he has done compares favorably in difficulty and scope to Hercules cleaning the Augean Stables.

Being a one man band ain't easy either.

Hah! And you guys keep saying he hasn't accomplished anything! Do you realize how difficult it is to have a noteworthy tantrum at Denmark? Could you or your mother? Who would care? Tantrums are very powerful things when done by those who have the legitimate responsibility to throw them at another country. Look at the commotion Trump has created by this. Who else could have pulled off such furor over being furious? You gotta give the man some credit. And Greenland would have been a nice addition to our collection of States. With global warming it will become green again, it could have made the green new deal work. I would throw a tantrum at Denmark for not selling it to us. Actually, throwing in Denmark into the purchase would have really sealed the deal. And why wouldn't Denmark go for it? It sold itself to the EU. It would do better being a part of the US. The EU is a squabbling mess with some wanting to exit and a bunch being subsidized by the rest, and it depends on US power to protect it anyway.

And doubling down on anti-Semitic tropes while supporting Israel like nobody else and having Jews as a very important part of his family--who could pull such a thing off? Could Ben Gurion or Golda Meijer or Neten"yahoo" have done that? It takes quite a man to pull off that stunt!

Now . . . basking in the praise of right wing conspiracy theorists is not easy. Have you ever tried it. Do you realize how quickly your basking would turn into a butt-burning scorching by the NYT or CNN. You couldn't handle that. C'mon man, the guy has some real nads.

And poor Russia. SOMEBODY has to help it advance its foreign policy. It doesn't do a very good job of it itself. We should help our neighbors. Maybe we could buy it. Vodka and Russian women--great addition.

And the humility of merely awarding himself the medal of honor. He, obviously, deserves so much more. That he would settle for only that, and miss the opportunity to bask in all the other medals and honors he is entitled to . . . I mean . . . this is the essence of magnanimous!

Also, endorsing comparisons is quite difficult and fairly rare. And to a king--that requires real stature. Very few could do this.

But the masterpiece, the magnum opus, the masterwork, the tour de force. the showpiece, the prize, the gem, the jewel of endorsing comparisons is self deification. I don't think God could even do that. This is the height of power, of magnificence, and of earthly and heavenly accomplishment! Pay attention! What he has done compares favorably in difficulty and scope to Hercules cleaning the Augean Stables.

Being a one man band ain't easy either.
We already know how big your man crush is.. maybe you could use your writing skills to list these accomplishments you and other supporters insist have happened..
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We already know how big your man crush is..

No you don't. You don't know what size the crush is, or what gender (out of the many and growing ones that are popping up out everywhere to normalize whatever freaky crush one desires), or if I have one.

maybe you could use your writing skills to list these accomplishments you and other supporters insist have happened..
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For you . . . no. Your robotic mind appears, to me, to have a fail safe that prevents any idea contrary to your preferred beliefs from entering. It automatically spits out any internet search which is biased against what you must cling to. Much of which you don't even seem to fundamentally understand. And when its fallacy is pointed out, you shut down and move on to the next attack on an idea that disturbs your equilibrium. And, in the inflexible robotic mind fashion, you eventually return to attacks on the same idea, as if nothing had come of your inability to validly respond before.

For you . . . no. Your robotic mind appears, to me, to have a fail safe that prevents any idea contrary to your preferred beliefs from entering. It automatically spits out any internet search which is biased against what you must cling to. Much of which you don't even seem to fundamentally understand. And when its fallacy is pointed out, you shut down and move on to the next attack on an idea that disturbs your equilibrium. And, in the inflexible robotic mind fashion, you eventually return to attacks on the same idea, as if nothing had come of your ability to validly respond before.
Says mr youtube
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Says mr youtube
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he probably figures you guys do better with pictures than words :rotf2:

he probably figures you guys do better with pictures than words :rotf2:

Pitcures or propaganda

I do like pictures while reading... lol
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he probably figures you guys do better with pictures than words :rotf2:

I wonder if John can install a Crayon font.
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nice people.....

“F*ck him...I’m glad he’s dead, and I hope the end was painful"


Bill Maher, host of HBO's "Real Time With Bill Maher" used his platform on Friday night's show like he often does -- to trash political opponents in the worst of ways possible. As Cortney reported, the billionaire donor and philanthropist David Koch died late Thursday night. Maher took the opportunity to lash into a swear-laced monologue against Koch.

"Yesterday, David Koch of the zillionaire Koch brothers died," the host said before pausing to stop the audience from applauding.

"...of prostate cancer," he continued. "I guess I’m going to have to re-evaluate my low opinion of prostate cancer," he said to laughter from the audience.

"He was 79, but his family says they wish he could live longer but at least he lived long enough to see the Amazon catch fire," he added. "Condolences poured in from the politicians he owned."


“F*ck him...I’m glad he’s dead, and I hope the end was painful," Maher remarked.




“I really want to put my money to work making the world a better place.” David H. Koch to the Wall Street Journal


$185 million Massachusetts Institute of Technology
$150 million Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center
$100 million New York-Presbyterian Hospital(Another $28 million went to other needs for the hospital.)
$100 million New York State Theater at Lincoln Center
$66.7 million Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center
$65 million The Metropolitan Museum of Art
$35 million Smithsonian’s National Museum of Natural History
$26.5 million M.D. Anderson Cancer Center
$26.2 million The Hospital for Special Surgery in New York
$20 million American Museum of Natural History, New York
$20 million Johns Hopkins University
$10 million Jaffe Food Allergy Institute at the Mount Sinai Medical Center

nice people.....

“F*ck him...I’m glad he’s dead, and I hope the end was painful"


Bill Maher, host of HBO's "Real Time With Bill Maher" used his platform on Friday night's show like he often does -- to trash political opponents in the worst of ways possible. As Cortney reported, the billionaire donor and philanthropist David Koch died late Thursday night. Maher took the opportunity to lash into a swear-laced monologue against Koch.

"Yesterday, David Koch of the zillionaire Koch brothers died," the host said before pausing to stop the audience from applauding.

"...of prostate cancer," he continued. "I guess I’m going to have to re-evaluate my low opinion of prostate cancer," he said to laughter from the audience.

"He was 79, but his family says they wish he could live longer but at least he lived long enough to see the Amazon catch fire," he added. "Condolences poured in from the politicians he owned."


“F*ck him...I’m glad he’s dead, and I hope the end was painful," Maher remarked.




“I really want to put my money to work making the world a better place.” David H. Koch to the Wall Street Journal


$185 million Massachusetts Institute of Technology
$150 million Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center
$100 million New York-Presbyterian Hospital(Another $28 million went to other needs for the hospital.)
$100 million New York State Theater at Lincoln Center
$66.7 million Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center
$65 million The Metropolitan Museum of Art
$35 million Smithsonian’s National Museum of Natural History
$26.5 million M.D. Anderson Cancer Center
$26.2 million The Hospital for Special Surgery in New York
$20 million American Museum of Natural History, New York
$20 million Johns Hopkins University
$10 million Jaffe Food Allergy Institute at the Mount Sinai Medical Center
Your point .. other than money absolves him from his actions as if he was some kind of a saint
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Your point .. other than money absolves him from his actions as if he was some kind of a saint
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did he kill someone?

Your point .. other than money absolves him from his actions as if he was some kind of a saint
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What actions does he need to be absolved from?
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There are current world leaders at G7 with doctorates in quantum chemistry, quantum physics, economics, political science, & law.

The US president is a racist failed reality star who #^&#^&#^&#^&s porn stars & can't spell.

Be proud Trumplicans and deflect to what some comedian says
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Are you aware Trump graduated from the Wharton school of business? Not exactly UVM but I know they are teaching bright minds.( such as my oldest boy)
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back to the topic

Are you aware Trump graduated from the Wharton school of business? Not exactly UVM but I know they are teaching bright minds.( such as my oldest boy)
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he spells much better than his detractors here as well

When you actually take time to look at the educational background of a lot of these leaders,you actually find out that a lot went to average schools and stumbled into politics. Many are like Trump where they come from affluent backgrounds and got great degrees and now have the urge to give back.
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There are current world leaders at G7 with doctorates in quantum chemistry, quantum physics, economics, political science, & law.

Only 25% of our Presidents have doctorates--none in quantum chemistry, quantum physic, economics, or political science. Seven, including those among the greatest, didn't go to college or university such as Washington, Lincoln, and Jackson.

The US president is a racist failed reality star who #^&#^&#^&#^&s porn stars & can't spell.

You keep saying he is a racist, but there is no real evidence that he is, and substantial evidence that he isn't.

Be proud Trumplicans and deflect to what some comedian says
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Deflect from what, stupid stuff like this irrelevant and nasty post by you.

Are you aware Trump graduated from the Wharton school of business? Not exactly UVM but I know they are teaching bright minds.( such as my oldest boy)
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And claims he was top of his class, but the program from his graduation failed to list him as any cum laude and for some reason he had his lawyer threaten Penn if they revealed his grades.
Odd that he doesn’t want it known, must be his modesty showing.
But it seems to be part of his lifelong history of puffery, embellishments or what most people would call lies.
Then again one of his professors disagrees with Trump’s self assessment.
“Professor Kelley told me 100 times over three decades that “Donald Trump was the dumbest goddam student I ever had.” I remember his emphasis and inflection — it went like this — “Donald Trump was the dumbest goddam student I ever had.” Dr. Kelley told me this after Trump had become a celebrity but long before he was considered a political figure. Dr. Kelley often referred to Trump’s arrogance when he told of this — that Trump came to Wharton thinking he already knew everything. “
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Deflect from what, stupid stuff like this irrelevant and nasty post by you.

More lying than usual today. What a great way to wrap up send-her-back, Jay-Powell-is-Xi-Jinping, let’s-buy-Greenland, let’s-nuke-hurricanes, I-am-the-Chosen-One, I-am-the-King-of-Israel, Democrat-Jews-are-disloyal August. This is exhausting and qualifies for the 25th Amendment.
Keep claiming he’s a high functioning human.
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When you actually take time to look at the educational background of a lot of these leaders,you actually find out that a lot went to average schools and stumbled into politics. Many are like Trump where they come from affluent backgrounds and got great degrees and now have the urge to give back.
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Only one president never served any major elective or appointive offices, or periods of military service prior to election to the presidency and “stumbled” into politics, Donald Trump.
Trump has never in his life had a position, where he was a direct report to anyone other than his parents. They sent him to military school, wonder why?
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More lying than usual today. What a great way to wrap up send-her-back, Jay-Powell-is-Xi-Jinping, let’s-buy-Greenland, let’s-nuke-hurricanes, I-am-the-Chosen-One, I-am-the-King-of-Israel, Democrat-Jews-are-disloyal August. This is exhausting and qualifies for the 25th Amendment.
Keep claiming he’s a high functioning human.


No, not lying. As I said, your post was irrelevant. The doctorate degrees of current world leaders at G7 have no relevance to the functioning of the U.S. President.

And your post, as I said, was stupid and nasty.

And where did I say that Trump is a "high functioning human"? Maybe he is. Probably he is. I never said that he is. Just on the basis of where he is in the hierarchy of our country and the world and where you are, it appears that he's more highly functioning than you.

Only one president never served any major elective or appointive offices, or periods of military service prior to election to the presidency

this is irrelevant.

and “stumbled” into politics,

This is a lie. He intentionally got into politics.

Donald Trump.
Trump has never in his life had a position, where he was a direct report to anyone other than his parents.

This is not true (a lie). He reports to the American people almost on a daily basis. (Also irrelevant and a bit nasty).

They sent him to military school, wonder why?


That is crude innuendo, unbecoming of a nice person, but a definite mark of a nasty one.

And what is so important about what you wonder anyway? Is there some special doctorate degree you have, or did you in your life directly report to others in such a way that what you wonder is significant to any one but you?

geeez....who are the racists???

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JGmKHrWKMQ

Only one president never served any major elective or appointive offices, or periods of military service prior to election to the presidency and “stumbled” into politics, Donald Trump.
Trump has never in his life had a position, where he was a direct report to anyone other than his parents. They sent him to military school, wonder why?
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He is one of a kind for sure,reaching for the stars and catching them. Putting aside his business dealings for us,the American people. There is simply nobody else who would dream of doing it. Let alone actually accomplishing the task.
Determination

As for reporting to somebody....I am guessing that happened while at military school. So there goes another of your foolish assumptions.
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That is crude innuendo, unbecoming of a nice person, but a definite mark of a nasty one.

Crude innuendo is one of the trademarks of Trump's rhetoric, why is it objectionable when the table is turned?

And what is so important about what you wonder anyway? Is there some special doctorate degree you have, or did you in your life directly report to others in such a way that what you wonder is significant to any one but you?

Apparently what I wonder is significant to you, hence your responses.

At some point in a discussion regarding a narcissistic psychopath you realize either:

A) everyone (and every institution) holding the psychopath accountable is crazy, immoral and dishonest.

OR

B) it’s the psychopath who is crazy, immoral and dishonest.

I choose B

Crude innuendo is one of the trademarks of Trump's rhetoric, why is it objectionable when the table is turned?

Trump is usually being more sarcastic than factual. My guess is you're usually being more factual than sarcastic. At any rate, as I've said many times, you're a lot like Trump in ways you would probably not like to admit.

Apparently what I wonder is significant to you, hence your responses.

At some point in a discussion regarding a narcissistic psychopath you realize either:

A) everyone (and every institution) holding the psychopath accountable is crazy, immoral and dishonest.

OR

B) it’s the psychopath who is crazy, immoral and dishonest.

I choose B

He does not fit this clinical definition of a psychopath: "a person suffering from chronic mental disorder with abnormal or violent social behavior."

Sarcastically, he might be considered loony, fruitcake, nutcase, or cuckoo.

It is obvious that you seriously, not sarcastically, consider Trump to be a psychopath. Maybe you're, as you put it, "crazy, immoral and dishonest."

how would we diagnose pete?

Your point .. other than money absolves him from his actions as if he was some kind of a saint
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he employed thousands of people
and gave bajillions to charity. but he was a republican, so to you, it’s. not problematic for Maher to say he hopes it was a painful death? seriously? only “saints” deserve a pain free death?

what does he need to be “absolved of”, exactly? for being a republican?

do you hear yourself? shame
on you.
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he employed thousands of people
and gave bajillions to charity. but he was a republican, so to you, it’s. not problematic for Maher to say he hopes it was a painful death? seriously? only “saints” deserve a pain free death?

what does he need to be “absolved of”, exactly? for being a republican?

do you hear yourself? shame
on you.
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maybe you should read a little history.... excuses for trump now this guy

but George Soros now there's evil .... right ...

maybe you should read a little history.... excuses for trump now this guy

but George Soros now there's evil .... right ...

i asked you what he did that requires absolution. is there an answer somewhere in your reply?

i don’t excuse trump. you didn’t say anything about what maher said. which one of the two
of us calls out reptiles
on our side, and which won’t?
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what does he need to be “absolved of”, exactly? for being a republican?
I think the disservice the Koch brothers have done to environmentalism is nearly without a peer in the world of political influence. That being said, even Bin Laden was given a proper burial.

I think the disservice the Koch brothers have done to environmentalism is nearly without a peer in the world of political influence. That being said, even Bin Laden was given a proper burial.

meh.

do you have an opinion on what Maher said?
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meh.

do you have an opinion on what Maher said?
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I just stated it.

meh.

do you have an opinion on what Maher said?
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he compared Koch to Bin Laden which makes him just as bad as Maher :hihi:

i asked you what he did that requires absolution. is there an answer somewhere in your reply?

i don’t excuse trump. you didn’t say anything about what maher said. which one of the two
of us calls out reptiles
on our side, and which won’t?
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Why would I say anything i dont get unhinged when left leaning comedians make unsavoury comments. But i do know that right wing blogers brieightbart love to flood the airwaves with it to yhe base ..yet reptilian comments from our POTUS are absent on these sites or explained away as telling it like it is or hyperbole..
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I just stated it.

it was very vague. if foxnews had said that about ginsberg, would
you have been more direct?
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If you clutched your pearl necklace too tight, here’s some help.

https://www.pearlclasp.com/pricing-for-pearl-restringing-services/
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he compared Koch to Bin Laden which makes him just as bad as Maher :hihi:
Not at all.

Not at all.

you said koch deserves a proper burial. did you comment specifically on what Maher said?
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If you clutched your pearl necklace too tight, here’s some help.

https://www.pearlclasp.com/pricing-for-pearl-restringing-services/
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this from the guy who posts a 10,000 word
manifesto, every time trump acts like a jerk. when anyone else is offended by any liberal, we’re being irrational.

how many anti trump threads have you started here?
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this from the guy who posts a 10,000 word
manifesto, every time trump acts like a jerk. when anyone else is offended by any liberal, we’re being irrational.

how many anti trump threads have you started here?
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Head pearl clutcher,
Don’t worry, I could not possibly keep up with the Tangerine Tornado and his constant display of his lack of knowledge, experience and judgment.

Apparently, I have not presented enough information to enable you to see the Con behind the man.

I’ll get back to work on it.
In the meantime feel free to read George Conway’s twitter feed.

https://mobile.twitter.com/gtconway3d
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He does not fit this clinical definition of a psychopath: "a person suffering from chronic mental disorder with abnormal or violent social behavior."


Don't know where you found that, but he does fit this one, and it is easily visible in his behavior if you pay any attention.

What Is a Psychopath?
Posted Jan 30, 2013
The neuroscience of psychopathy reports some intriguing findings.

First, a bit of terminological history to clear up any confusion about the meanings of “sociopath,” “psychopath,” and related terms. In the early 1800s, doctors who worked with mental patients began to notice that some of their patients who appeared outwardly normal had what they termed a “moral depravity” or “moral insanity,” in that they seemed to possess no sense of ethics or of the rights of other people. The term “psychopath” was first applied to these people around 1900. The term was changed to “sociopath” in the 1930s to emphasize the damage they do to society. Currently, researchers have returned to using the term “psychopath.” Some of them use that term to refer to a more serious disorder, linked to genetic traits, which produces more dangerous individuals, while continuing to use “sociopath” to refer to less dangerous people who are seen more as products of their environment, including their upbringing. Other researchers make a distinction between “primary psychopaths,” who are thought to be genetically caused, and “secondary psychopaths,” seen more as a product of their environments.

The current approach to defining psychopathy and the related concepts is to use a list of criteria. The first such list was developed by Hervey Cleckley (1941), who is known as the first person to describe the condition in detail. Anyone fitting enough of these criteria counted as a psychopath or sociopath. There are several such lists in use. The most commonly used is called the Psychopathy Checklist-Revised (PCL-R), developed by Robert Hare and his colleagues. An alternative version, called the Psychopathic Personality Inventory (PPI), was developed in 1996 by Lilienfeld and Andrews.

The book that psychologists and psychiatrists use to categorize and diagnose mental illness, the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, contains a category for something called “antisocial personality disorder” (APD), while the World Health Organization delineates a similar category it calls "dissocial personality disorder." These are much broader categories than that of psychopathy. The category of psychopath is seen as included within this category, but considerably smaller so that only roughly 1 in 5 people with APD is a psychopath (Kiehl and Buckholtz, 2010).

If we overlay all of these lists of criteria, we can see them coalescing into the following core set:

Uncaring

The PCL describes psychopaths as being callous and showing a lack of empathy, traits which the PPI describes as “coldheartedness.” The criteria for dissocial personality disorder include a “callous unconcern for the feelings of others.” There are now several lines of evidence that point to the biological grounding for the uncaring nature of the psychopath. For most people, caring is a largely emotion-driven enterprise. The brains of psychopaths have been found to have weak connections among the components of the brain’s emotional systems. These disconnects seem to be responsible for the psychopath’s inability to feel emotions deeply. Psychopaths are also not good at detecting fear in the faces of other people (Blair et al., 2004). The emotion of disgust also plays an important role in our ethical sense. We find certain types of unethical actions disgusting, and this works to keep us from engaging in them and makes us express disapproval of them. But psychopaths have extremely high thresholds for disgust, as measured by their reactions when shown disgusting photos of mutilated faces or exposed to foul odors.

One promising new line of research is based on the discovery of a brain network responsible for understanding the minds of others. Called the default mode network (because it also performs other tasks and is operating most of the time when we are awake), it involves a cluster of several different areas in the brain’s cortex. The first studies have been done on the function of this network in psychopaths, and as expected, there are problems there. Different studies have noted “aberrant functional connectivity” among the parts of the network, along with reduced volume in some of the network's crucial areas.

Shallow emotions

Psychopaths show a lack of emotion, especially social emotions such as shame, guilt, and embarrassment. Cleckley said that the psychopaths he came into contact with showed a “general poverty in major affective reactions” and a “lack of remorse or shame.” The PCL describes psychopaths as “emotionally shallow” and showing a lack of guilt. Psychopaths are notorious for their lack of fear. When normal people are put into an experimental situation where they anticipate that something painful will happen, such as a mild electric shock or a mildly aversive pressure applied to a limb, a brain network activates. Normal people will also show a clear skin conductance response produced by sweat gland activity. In psychopathic subjects, however, this brain network showed no activity, and no skin conductance responses were emitted (Birbaumer et al., 2012).

Irresponsibility

According to Cleckley psychopaths show unreliability, while the PCL mentions “irresponsibility,” and the PPI describes psychopaths as showing “blame externalization” (i.e., they blame others for events that are actually their fault). They may admit blame when forced into a corner, but these admissions are not accompanied by a sense of shame or remorse, and they have no power to change the sociopath’s future behavior.

Insincere speech

Ranging from what the PCL describes as “glibness” and “superficial charm,” to Cleckley’s “untruthfulness” and “insincerity,” to outright “pathological lying,” there is a trend toward devaluing speech among psychopaths by inflating and distorting it toward selfish ends. The criteria for APD include “conning others for personal profit or pleasure.” One concerned father of a young sociopathic woman said, “I can't understand the girl, no matter how hard I try. It's not that she seems bad or exactly that she means to do wrong. She can lie with the straightest face, and after she's found in the most outlandish lies she still seems perfectly easy in her own mind” (Cleckley, 1941, p. 47). This casual use of words may be attributable to what some researchers call a shallow sense of word meaning. Psychopaths do not show the same differential brain response to emotional terms over neutral terms that normal people do (Williamson et al., 1991). They also have trouble understanding metaphors and abstract words.

Overconfidence

The PCL describes sociopaths as possessing a “grandiose sense of self worth.” Cleckley speaks frequently of the boastfulness of his patients. Hare (1993) describes an imprisoned sociopath who believed he was a world-class swimmer.

Narrowing of attention

According to Newman and his colleagues, the core deficit in psychopathy is a failure of what they call response modulation (Hiatt and Newman, 2006). When normal people engage in a task, we are able to alter our activity or modulate our responses, depending on relevant peripheral information that appears after the task has begun. Psychopaths are specifically deficient in this ability, and according to Newman, this explains the impulsivity of psychopaths, a trait which shows up in several of the lists of criteria, as well as their problems with passive avoidance and with processing emotions.

Top-down attention tends to be under voluntary control, whereas bottom-up attention happens involuntarily. But bottom-up attention can temporarily capture top-down attention, as when movement in the periphery of our visual field attracts our attention. Psychopaths have trouble using top-down attention to accommodate information that activates bottom-up attention during a task. In normal people, this process tends to happen automatically. When the hunter is scanning for deer, a rabbit hopping into the periphery of his visual field automatically attracts his attention. Top-down attentional processes monitor the field of attention for conflicts and resolve them. The standard task for assessing this is called the Stroop task, in which the subject must state which color words are printed in. The problem is that the words themselves are conflicting color words, such as “red” printed in blue ink, so the subjects must suppress a strong inclination to read the words. There are now several studies indicating that psychopaths actually perform better than normal people on these tasks, perhaps because they are not distracted by the discrepant color (Hiatt et al., 2004; Newman et al., 1997).

Selfishness

Cleckley spoke of his psychopaths showing a “pathologic egocentricity [and incapacity for love],” which is affirmed in the PPI by its inclusion of egocentricity among its criteria. The PCL also mentions a “parasitic lifestyle.”

Inability to plan for the future

Cleckley said that his psychopaths showed a “failure to follow any life plan.” According to the PCL, psychopaths have a “lack of realistic long-term goals,” while the PPI describes them as showing a “carefree nonplanness.”

Violence

The criteria for dissocial personality include: a “very low tolerance to frustration and a low threshold for discharge of aggression, including violence.” The criteria for antisocial personality disorder include: "irritability and aggressiveness, as indicated by repeated physical fights or assaults.”

Philosophers can play a valuable role here in discerning the consequences of all of these findings for our attempts to build an ethical society. Several questions need addressing. What does the possibility that psychopathy is genetic say about human nature? What steps can we take to “correct” psychopaths, and which of these is the most ethical? If it is true that psychopaths have damaged or abnormal brains, can we hold them responsible for what they do? Are there degrees of psychopathy, so that normal people may possess psychopathic traits?

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/mindmelding/201301/what-is-psychopath-0

Don't know where you found that, but he does fit this one, and it is easily visible in his behavior if you pay any attention.


Uncaring

Trump has shown many, many instances of caring in his personal and presidential life. Remember, also, that whatever information we have about him is dwarfed by what we don't know. To clinically determine personality requires more than conflicting biographies and news reports, especially biased ones. Such as we have of these about Trump conflict with, even diametrically oppose, each other.

Shallow emotions

Psychopaths show a lack of emotion, especially social emotions such as shame, guilt, and embarrassment.

He certainly doesn't seem to have a lack of emotion. And, again we don't know all the details of his life and the number of times he may have shown embarrassment, shame, or guilt. He did show some guilt and embarrassment when he publicly apologized for his pussy grabbing comments

Irresponsibility

So, do you have some huge, comprehensive, dossier on Trump's life which shows that he is a predominantly irresponsible person? I don't know how an irresponsible person could have attained the business successes, including overcoming failure, and then have managed to become President of the U.S.

Insincere speech

He may have a peculiar, somewhat stream of conscious, manner of speaking, but I don't find him to be insincere. He sincerely praises, and sincerely condemns, and sincerely tries to make deals, and he sincerely expresses a love for this country. If you see all of that as insincere, maybe your the one with a problem, a projection problem.

Overconfidence

He certainly is confident. It wasn't overconfidence in believing he could become President. Big egos put a lot o people off. Especially those with small ones. It certainly takes a lot of confidence to do what he has done. Is it overconfidence to try what he has and is trying to do? I see no reason to think so.

Narrowing of attention

He's paying attention to a lot of things, multitasking bigly.

Selfishness

How is he more selfish than most folks. And, again, how do we, can we, even know all the details of his life which might inform us about his selfishness or any other trait? There are several examples of his generosity scattered in the narrow scope of knowledge we have of his personal and presidential life.

Inability to plan for the future

Really? He got to where he is without planning for the future? Being elected President of the most powerful country in the world does not happen strictly by a series of accidents. Many things, have to be planned for and realized along the way before one can even be considered a candidate.

Violence
". . . as indicated by repeated physical fights or assaults.”

Do you have a verified record of Trump's physical fights or physical assaults? Has this been hidden from us as part of his massive con?



Pete, it is not possible to clinically determine the status of someone's mental health without intensive examination of his whole life, and certainly not without an actual medical and psychological regimen performed on and with the patient.

This diagnosis from a distance, using limited and conflicting "facts" or anecdotes, is a prescription for misrepresenting someone, especially for political reasons.

That your so steeply engrossed in characterizing Trump as a psychopath, racist, alt-right, white nationalist, misogynist, etc., on the flimsy basis of biased reports and articles is not a good sign of your own mental well-being.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tyWUQ0jI88

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUNynMEtRFk

A source close to Deutsche Bank says Trump’s tax returns show he pays very little income tax and, more importantly, that his loans have Russian co-signers.

If true, that explains every kind word Trump has ever said about Russia and Putin.
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A source close to Deutsche Bank says Trump’s tax returns show he pays very little income tax and, more importantly, that his loans have Russian co-signers.

If true, that explains every kind word Trump has ever said about Russia and Putin.


Does it explain the unkind things Trump has ever done or said to Russia?

e.g.:

Trump criticized Russia for the nerve gas poisoning of the former Russian intelligence agent. He expelled 60 Russian diplomats and closed the consulate in Seattle.

Trumps military killed 300 Russian troops in Syria. Obama wouldn’t cross his red line in the sand in Syria for fear of antagonizing Russia.

Trump provided lethal weapons to Ukraine. When Ukraine asked Obama for weapons after Russia invaded, he sent food.

Trump placed some sanctions on Russia for the election interference.

Ah, it’s Obama’s fault.
Did he also make him go to the oligarchs for funding?
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I am just happy to see something done about the opioid crisis. F big pharma and a president who helped spur it on.
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Ah, it’s Obama’s fault.
Did he also make him go to the oligarchs for funding?


Wasn't trying to bring in the notion of "fault." Since you did, was it Obama's "fault" that he was nicer to the Russians in those cases than Trump was?

I was asking if the alleged oligarchs thing was also the reason for Trump doing unkind things to the Russians. As usual, you deflect.

Does it explain the unkind things Trump has ever done or said to Russia?

e.g.:

Trump criticized Russia for the nerve gas poisoning of the former Russian intelligence agent. He expelled 60 Russian diplomats and closed the consulate in Seattle.
The diplomats he expelled have been replaced by others, it was not a force reduction, so it sounds good but little effect. Typical Trump

Trumps military killed 300 Russian troops in Syria. Obama wouldn’t cross his red line in the sand in Syria for fear of antagonizing Russia.
Quite Trumpy of you to add 50% to the number of Mercenaries killed by US in Syria, and since when are people not expendable to Putin?

Trump provided lethal weapons to Ukraine. When Ukraine asked Obama for weapons after Russia invaded, he sent food.

He sent nonlethal support, Ukraine is not a NATO member and was invaded because they were going to sign a association agreement with the EU and Russia was concerned that after that they would face more than sanctions if they annexed Crimea. Trump is willing to think of that as water over the dam. Our allies are not.

Trump placed some sanctions on Russia for the election interference.
Some is the operative word, the sanctions Trump imposed have been largely ineffective, Russian GDP as not been decreased, Energy earnings have increased and the people in positions of power are not suffering. Things that are much more effective could be done, but the WH and Moscow Mitch stand in the way.

Wasn't trying to bring in the notion of "fault." Since you did, was it Obama's "fault" that he was nicer to the Russians in those cases than Trump was?

I was asking if the alleged oligarchs thing was also the reason for Trump doing unkind things to the Russians. As usual, you deflect.

Trump does the "unkind things" he is told to do by Putin.
Follow the money, and you will find who is Trump's true controller.
Trump's taxes, the Deutsche Banks documents and other business records will tell the tale.
Was Trump's calling of others treasonous, projection?

meltdown mode for the lefties...this is fun:bl:

meltdown mode for the lefties...this is fun:bl:

Trump is melting down......Fox has realized he's a losing proposition and wants to get rid of it's state news reputation.

Just watched @FoxNews heavily promoting the Democrats through their DNC Communications Director, spewing out whatever she wanted with zero pushback by anchor, @SandraSmithFox. Terrible considering that Fox couldn’t even land a debate, the Dems give them NOTHING! @CNN& @MSNBC....
....are all in for the Open Border Socialists (or beyond). Fox hires“give Hillary the questions” @donnabrazile, Juan Williams and low ratings Shep Smith. HOPELESS & CLUELESS! They should go all the way LEFT and I will still find a way to Win - That’s what I do, Win. Too Bad!....
....I don’t want to Win for myself, I only want to Win for the people. The New @FoxNews is letting millions of GREAT people down! We have to start looking for a new News Outlet. Fox isn’t working for us anymore!

meltdown mode for the lefties...this is fun:bl:

Somewhere Pete F. has a friend,and whoever that man is he is very concerned with Pete’s behavior.
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The diplomats he expelled have been replaced by others, it was not a force reduction, so it sounds good but little effect. Typical Trump

But it was not a nice thing.


Quite Trumpy of you to add 50% to the number of Mercenaries killed by US in Syria, and since when are people not expendable to Putin?

But it was not a nice thing.

He sent nonlethal support, Ukraine is not a NATO member and was invaded because they were going to sign a association agreement with the EU and Russia was concerned that after that they would face more than sanctions if they annexed Crimea. Trump is willing to think of that as water over the dam. Our allies are not.

But it was not a nice thing.

Some is the operative word, the sanctions Trump imposed have been largely ineffective, Russian GDP as not been decreased, Energy earnings have increased and the people in positions of power are not suffering. Things that are much more effective could be done, but the WH and Moscow Mitch stand in the way.

But it was not a nice thing.

Trump does the "unkind things" he is told to do by Putin.
Follow the money, and you will find who is Trump's true controller.
Trump's taxes, the Deutsche Banks documents and other business records will tell the tale.
Was Trump's calling of others treasonous, projection?

Putin told him to do those not nice things? Wow, this conspiracy of yours is getting real deep.

Putin told him to do those not nice things? Wow, this conspiracy of yours is getting real deep.

Don’t worry about me because in these troubled times, I like to put my hand over the kidney in my heart, stare at the moon of Mars contemplating how the wheel is older than the wall, the great things Frederick Douglass is doing & just being thankful I have ID to buy cereal & I don’t have windmill cancer.

Just keep believing in the Stable Genius, he will save you.

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He will save the dummies too so don’t despair. Free thinkers prevail!
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Don’t worry about me because in these troubled times, I like to put my hand over the kidney in my heart, stare at the moon of Mars contemplating how the wheel is older than the wall, the great things Frederick Douglass is doing & just being thankful I have ID to buy cereal & I don’t have windmill cancer.

Just keep believing in the Stable Genius, he will save you.


Yeah, hang on to that ID . . . you might need it when the ambulance comes with a straight jacket to pick you up.

The Trump administration is slow-walking $250 million in military assistance to Ukraine, annoying lawmakers and advocates who argue the funding is critical to keeping Russia at bay.

President Donald Trump asked his national security team to review the funding program, known as the Ukraine Security Assistance Initiative, in order to ensure the money is being used in the best interest of the United States, a senior administration official told POLITICO on Wednesday.
But the delays come amid questions over Trump’s approach to Russia, after a weekend in which the president repeatedly seemed to downplay Moscow’s military intervention in Ukraine and pushed for Russia to be reinstated into the Group of Seven, an annual gathering of the world’s largest advanced economies. The review is also occurring amid a broader internal debate over whether to try and halt or cut billions of dollars in foreign aid.

United States military aid to Ukraine has long been seen as a litmus test for how strongly the American government is pushing back against Moscow.
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A source close to Deutsche Bank says Trump’s tax returns show he pays very little income tax and, more importantly, that his loans have Russian co-signers.

If true, that explains every kind word Trump has ever said about Russia and Putin.
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Big "If"

https://apnews.com/5f32c14a803e43359dff5e8151dade4c

Trump is withholding vital military aid to Ukraine, while his personal lawyer seeks help from the Ukraine government to investigate his political opponent.

It doesn’t take a stable genius to see the magnitude of this conflict.
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Big "If"

https://apnews.com/5f32c14a803e43359dff5e8151dade4c

pete is a fake news purveyor

A source close to Deutsche Bank says Trump’s tax returns show he pays very little income tax and, more importantly, that his loans have Russian co-signers.

If true, that explains every kind word Trump has ever said about Russia and Putin.
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I see you believe everything lawrence o’donnell says....after getting panned by everyone for running with an unverified story, o’donnell went on the air last night and retracted that story, saying he never should have run with it.

pete, whet else are they lying about? it’s a fair question. has o’donnell lost any credibility in your view?

they are completely detanged.
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Just waiting for discovery in the lawsuit The Citrus Caligula threatened him with.
All Trump has to do is show the things he won’t disclose and that puts all the rumors to rest.
Kinda like a birth certificate.
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pete, here’s the difference between us. i can say without reservation, that trump was an azz for pushing the birther story. you, on the other hand, can’t admit o’donnell is an anti trump hack. enjoy!
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pete, here’s the difference between us. i can say without reservation, that trump was an azz for pushing the birther story. you, on the other hand, can’t admit o’donnell is an anti trump hack. enjoy!
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pete, here’s the difference between us. i can say without reservation, that trump was an azz for pushing the birther story. you, on the other hand, can’t admit o’donnell is an anti trump hack. enjoy!
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Here is the Russian State TV reaction to the Anti American Russian tool at work.

“Russian efforts either to recruit somebody as an asset or effectively coerce them into becoming an asset historically typically rely on compromise of either a financial nature or a sexual nature,” said David Kris, a former assistant attorney general in charge of the Justice Department’s National Security Division. “Or some other nature by which they can gain leverage. Either induce somebody voluntarily to cooperate or blackmail them.” Kris added that “there is long history of that kind of activity, including in the context of presidential elections,” going back to Soviet efforts to offer money to Hubert Humphrey in the 1968 election.

Great Propaganda Job by the Citrus Caligula, payment for his funding?

He's playing you for a fool, Enjoy!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpJSIZYITWI&t=107s

so according to pete, anyone who says anything complimentary about russia, must be suspected of being a russian mole. you say this, even after o’donnell retracted his story.

when romney said russia was a threat and obama mocked him for it, were you equally suspicious that obama was a russian agent?

when o’donnell says trump got loans thanks to russia, you gleefully posted it, saying trump was influenced by russia.

o’donnell retracted his story, said he never should have run with it. that doesn’t deter you one bit.

welcome to tds.
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when o’donnell says trump got loans thanks to russia, you gleefully posted it, saying trump was influenced by russia.

o’donnell retracted his story, said he never should have run with it. that doesn’t deter you one bit.
O'donnell didn't retract the story because it wasn't true, he retracted it because he didn't adhere to journalistic standards and Trump was threatening to sue NBC.

The idea that Russia has kept the Trump org afloat is no crazy secret, even Jr has admitted as much.

O'donnell didn't retract the story because it wasn't true, he retracted it because he didn't adhere to journalistic standards



this is very amusing

Trump Administration Diverts $3.6 Billion From Military Projects To Border Wall.

More fake news I guess .. 1st fema now the Military.. when's Mexico's turn
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Trump Administration Diverts $3.6 Billion From Military Projects To Border Wall.

More fake news I guess .. 1st fema now the Military.. when's Mexico's turn


Good news, not fake news.

Good news, not fake news.

would be better if mexico was paying for it as he promised. but better we pay for it, than not to have it.

in montgomery county maryland ( a sanctuary county), seven illegals have been arrested for rape in a little over a month. tell the victims that we don’t need a secure border.
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Good news, not fake news.

Circumventing Congress is good thing.. ok
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Circumventing Congress is good thing.. ok
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how many obama executive orders did you complain about?
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would be better if mexico was paying for it as he promised. but better we pay for it, than not to have it.

in montgomery county maryland ( a sanctuary county), seven illegals have been arrested for rape in a little over a month. tell the victims that we don’t need a secure border.
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Illegals rapeing other illegals.. but americans raping each other is what in your eyes??.. i know a wall will reduce rapes .. any other fantasies that the wall will fix for you.. i find it funny how wall supporters are clueless about the size of or borders..as if its like fencing in their yard
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how many obama executive orders did you complain about?
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So you didn't complain about Obama's executive actions? How many did Obama have compared to Bush and now Trump?

Should we point out all your hypocrisy on this site w/Trump?

Illegals rapeing other illegals.. but americans raping each other is what in your eyes??.. i know a wall will reduce rapes .. any other fantasies that the wall will fix for you.. i find it funny how wall supporters are clueless about the size of or borders..as if its like fencing in their yard
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Wayne, funny that you think illegal entry into this country is a fantasy. Must be Trumps fault.
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So you didn't complain about Obama's executive actions? How many did Obama have compared to Bush and now Trump?

Should we point out all your hypocrisy on this site w/Trump?
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i’d love for you to point out my hypocrisy with trump!!

for the record, i didn’t have an issue with obama’s executive orders. i had many issues, not with when he chose to issue executive orders.

is that a direct enough answer?

go ahead, tell us all about what a hypocrite i am. please be specific.
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Illegals rapeing other illegals.. but americans raping each other is what in your eyes??.. i know a wall will reduce rapes .. any other fantasies that the wall will fix for you.. i find it funny how wall supporters are clueless about the size of or borders..as if its like fencing in their yard
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i’m kind of opposed to all rape, i don’t qualify it depending on the victim. apparently you do, at least when there’s a political reason to do so.

the wall will reduce rapes. if that’s not a good enough reason to build
it, it will also reduce the number of people coming here, who we don’t track. I see that as an improvement. Do you?
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So you didn't complain about Obama's executive actions? How many did Obama have compared to Bush and now Trump?

Should we point out all your hypocrisy on this site w/Trump?

Obama had 276, Trump has 121
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Where is the wall? It does not exist. As president, Donald Trump has replaced a couple hundred miles of existing fencing. That’s it.

NOT ONE SINGLE MILE of new wall has been built.

He rejected Paul Ryan’s plan to get the wall funded and built.

He rejected the Dems plan in which Trump gives Democrats a path to citizenship for 1.8 million Dreamers; Democrats give Trump his full $25 billion wall funding request.

Trump had chances to get the wall built and he chose NO.

Nobody knew politics could be so complicated.

Certainly not someone with no political experience, that's none, zero, not one (adjective of your choice) bit.

Trump will end up on this list of presidents, Buchanan, Pierce, Wilson, G. W. Bush and Fillmore and I think the grifter has a good chance to take the bottom spot.

Hey be easy on our commander and chief, he is going to nuke that damn hurricane, he will save all in Alabama 🤪
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He has run for office one time.
Easy win over the #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^& puppet
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Obama had 276, Trump has 121
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Since we are quoting useless statistics

Total times Obama played golf during his eight year Presidency:306

Total times Trump tweeted about how bad it is that Obama's golfing 24

Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
Can you believe that,with all of the problems and difficulties facing the U.S., President Obama spent the day playing golf.Worse than Carter
8:03 PM · Oct 13, 2014·Twitter for Android

Trump's golf to date and he has the rest of this term to beat Obama.
Days at Trump properties 289
Golf outings, all but one at Trump properties 227
Cost to date for golf alone: $109,000,000 and remember, that doesn't count taking his royal family to meet the Queen.
And while Obama played at service base courses 226 times, to date Trump has not played at a base course once.

He has run for office one time.
Easy win over the #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^& puppet
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NOT ONE SINGLE MILE of new wall has been built.

Not a big win for Putin's puppet.

Sadly I’ve seen his swing, it’s not much better after all that golf, but I guarantee if asked; he is the best golfing president of all time.
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i’d love for you to point out my hypocrisy with trump!!

for the record, i didn’t have an issue with obama’s executive orders. i had many issues, not with when he chose to issue executive orders.

is that a direct enough answer?

go ahead, tell us all about what a hypocrite i am. please be specific.
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sure you did you had a problem with Obamas executive actions. There was tons of posts about how many he had even though it was less than Bush. You also used to criticize anyone who supported Clinton and as if they were morally deficient because they supported him and you claimed he should be a role model. Now you have one of the most immoral people anywhere as our president and he still enjoys overwhelming Republican approval. Funny you also don't have a problem with deficits now. Even though Obama's were the results of the horrible economy.
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sure you did you had a problem with Obamas executive actions. There was tons of posts about how many he had even though it was less than Bush. You also used to criticize anyone who supported Clinton and as if they were morally deficient because they supported him and you claimed he should be a role model. Now you have one of the most immoral people anywhere as our president and he still enjoys overwhelming Republican approval. Funny you also don't have a problem with deficits now. Even though Obama's were the results of the horrible economy.
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i have a major problem
with trumps
deficits and have said so. and ive called out those who are hypocrites in that issue. making it up as you go along.

i’ve said 100 times
i give obama
good marks on the economy.

you’re embarrassing yourself.
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i have a major problem
with trumps
deficits and have said so. and ive called out those who are hypocrites in that issue. making it up as you go along.

i’ve said 100 times
i give obama
good marks on the economy.

you’re embarrassing yourself.
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The hundreds of post showing your anger embarrass yourself. So how many times did you say that anyone who supports Clinton had no morals?
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Well at least weatherman Trump got it right about the storm was supposed to hit Alabama. Isn't it a federal crime to knowingly alter a weather map?
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Well at least weatherman Trump got it right about the storm was supposed to hit Alabama. Isn't it a federal crime to knowingly alter a weather map?
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You assume he cares, he can’t EVER admit he made an error, going so far as to get out a sharpie to alter the original to prove he was correct, what an embarrassment he is.
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The hundreds of post showing your anger embarrass yourself. So how many times did you say that anyone who supports Clinton had no morals?
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i’ve never said that everyone who
supports clinton has no
morals. not once. zero times. i said clinton has zero morals.

you’re embarrassing yourself further.
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Since we are quoting useless statistics.

Paul asked a question, I answered it.

Tinfoil might be a little to tight there, buddy
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i’ve never said that everyone who
supports clinton has no
morals. not once. zero times. i said clinton has zero morals.

you’re embarrassing yourself further.
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You said it many times and claimed any support of Clinton was a reflection of their morals.
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You said it many times and claimed any support of Clinton was a reflection of their morals.
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nope. i voted for bill
clinton, and feel
that despite his lack of morals, was a pretty good potus.

i’ve said the opposite of what you claim i said. i’ve said that supporting a president’s policies, isn’t supporting their personal
morals. that’s why i voted for clinton and trump.

you’re not only wrong, you literally could not be more wrong. quit while you’re behind.

you’ve really got me on the ropes, eh?
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NOT ONE SINGLE MILE of new wall has been built.

Not a big win for Putin's puppet.

Yet here we are on the doorstep of an easy repeat.
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Sadly I’ve seen his swing, it’s not much better after all that golf, but I guarantee if asked; he is the best golfing president of all time.
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You probably said that about Furyk...
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nope. i voted for bill
clinton, and feel
that despite his lack of morals, was a pretty good potus.

i’ve said the opposite of what you claim i said. i’ve said that supporting a president’s policies, isn’t supporting their personal
morals. that’s why i voted for clinton and trump.

you’re not only wrong, you literally could not be more wrong. quit while you’re behind.

you’ve really got me on the ropes, eh?
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Why bother with that lying tool?
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Accuracy in Media.. Wrong on every issue since 1969 . Run by Tucker Carlson and Jim Hoft .
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A bunch of random old threads to show the hypocrisy of the right.

http://www.striped-bass.com/Stripertalk/showthread.php?t=91342&highlight=Role

http://www.striped-bass.com/Stripertalk/showthread.php?t=91305&highlight=Role

http://www.striped-bass.com/Stripertalk/showthread.php?t=90044&highlight=Role

http://www.striped-bass.com/Stripertalk/showthread.php?t=84074&highlight=Role

http://www.striped-bass.com/Stripertalk/showthread.php?t=74826&highlight=Role

keep up the good work :jester:

Wayne, funny that you think illegal entry into this country is a fantasy. Must be Trumps fault.
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The only fantasies about illegal immigration. Is not that it happening.. its been happening for a 100 plus years ... but what the right claims happens once they are here....

if you listen to Jim there all getting benfits (they cant get) pay no taxes steal jobs americans dont want and contribute nothing to the country except crime. rape. That Comes with them..

. fix the issue but stop lying about why it needs fixing. and stop taking money to build a wall that Trumps great negotiations skills .. couldnt get done .. but anything to try to get re elected .. he's even keeping the incandescent light bulb around for votes lol
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So, would you prefer to just keep letting them come into the country illegally? Or do you think it would be better to have a deterrent?
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So, would you prefer to just keep letting them come into the country illegally? Or do you think it would be better to have a deterrent?
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Best deterrent would be if were they lived they could live.. but we f up central america in the 70 and 80s .. walls and moats were very effective way back then . And dont work much better now .. i just find it funny All you hear is wall wall .. no other options see day light
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Walls do work Wayne, check Google to get examples. We are not the only country to use such a deterrent.
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Walls do work Wayne, check Google to get examples. We are not the only country to use such a deterrent.
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if I have to go way down the street to get to my neighbor's house and if he builds a big wall around it without a gate so I have to go over it or under it to see him...I'm probably going to stay home

A bunch of random old threads to show the hypocrisy of the right.

http://www.striped-bass.com/Stripertalk/showthread.php?t=91342&highlight=Role

http://www.striped-bass.com/Stripertalk/showthread.php?t=91305&highlight=Role

http://www.striped-bass.com/Stripertalk/showthread.php?t=90044&highlight=Role

http://www.striped-bass.com/Stripertalk/showthread.php?t=84074&highlight=Role

http://www.striped-bass.com/Stripertalk/showthread.php?t=74826&highlight=Role

i never denied that i dislike the obamas. so
i have no idea what you’re responding to here. please show me the hypocrisy? paul, i’m as flawed as anyone, but i’m not thoughtless. and while i’m sure i’ve been hypocritical, it’s not a habit. but rather than posting old posts with zero comments from you, explain the specific hypocrisy here.

have you heard me say trump is a good person? hell no. i know exactly what he is.
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Best deterrent would be if were they lived they could live.. but we f up central america in the 70 and 80s .. walls and moats were very effective way back then . And dont work much better now .. i just find it funny All you hear is wall wall .. no other options see day light
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show me the evidence that walls
don’t work? you shut your door at night? how come?

walls don’t work, give me an effing break.
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You have to wonder why they put them around prisons if they don’t work.
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i never denied that i dislike the obamas. so
i have no idea what you’re responding to here. please show me the hypocrisy? paul, i’m as flawed as anyone, but i’m not thoughtless. and while i’m sure i’ve been hypocritical, it’s not a habit. but rather than posting old posts with zero comments from you, explain the specific hypocrisy here.

have you heard me say trump is a good person? hell no. i know exactly what he is.
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Go look at some of the posts and see the hypocrisy compared to what Trump says/is on a daily basis.

Go look at some of the posts and see the hypocrisy compared to what Trump says/is on a daily basis.

yawn...

Keep believing boys, and while the stable genius president lies, tweets and golfs, the hard-won, American-led international order goes the way of Trump University, Trump Airlines, Trump casinos, Trump steaks, Trump vodka….

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7iibunl87-I

Walls do work Wayne, check Google to get examples. We are not the only country to use such a deterrent.
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The Stable Genius has to have spikes on top as recommended by his gut, not a flat piece of steel as recommended by the experts.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36kXjJZ0mMU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rY2A5w55mV4

Go look at some of the posts and see the hypocrisy compared to what Trump says/is on a daily basis.

it’s only hypocrisy, if i give trump a pass for his behavior. how many times have i said he’s a morally bankrupt reptile, how many times have i said he’s more overtly obnoxious than obama?

maybe you don’t know what hypocrisy is?
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You have to wonder why they put them around prisons if they don’t work.
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and why people like nancy pelosi put them around their mansions.
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it’s only hypocrisy, if i give trump a pass for his behavior. how many times have i said he’s a morally bankrupt reptile, how many times have i said he’s more overtly obnoxious than obama?

maybe you don’t know what hypocrisy is?
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I know what hypocrisy is and it was demonstrated many times in those threads where people where crying about Obama but seem to have no problem with behavior many times worse by trump.

I know what hypocrisy is and it was demonstrated many times in those threads where people where crying about Obama but seem to have no problem with behavior many times worse by trump.

You're saying I refuse to criticize Trump for his language and behavior? Let's be very clear here. You think I'm Sean Hannity when it comes to Trump?

You're either way stupider than I thought, or way less honest. Take your pick.

I despise Trump, and my disdain for him is far more genuine than yours or Pete's or Spence's, because it's not based solely on politics. Trump is disgusting. Absolutely disgusting. But I am 100% certain the nation is way better off than it would be, if he had lost.

You really humiliated yourself here. Seriously. I've called him a "morally bankrupt reptile" on this board, at least 50 times. I hate his ego, his narcissism, I really hate the way he treats women and how disloyal he is to his family, I hate how vindictive and thin skinned he is.

Is that still too vague for you, Columbo?

I know what hypocrisy is .

You have demonstrated, that you have zero clue what it is.

and why people like nancy pelosi put them around their mansions.
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https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/is-this-a-wall-around-nancy-pelosis-home/

Let's be very clear here, if you truly despise Trump and only like him for his policies, you have a choice.
If you choose Trump over Walsh, the only rational explanation is that you’re voting for Trump’s character.
You can just acknowledge that character doesn't matter to you, sort of like fiscal responsibility, free trade and the Constitution and you can't look at another candidate.

Joe Walsh, similar policies on immigration, the border, Supreme Court, etc. but was born not hatched, will divest himself of his business and is not looking to become the royal family of the USA.

Can you can you walk me through how you arrived at your decision to run?

Because the guy’s a madman. The guy is completely unfit and unhinged. He lies every time he opens his mouth. When he got elected, Olivia, look: I voted for him. I didn’t love him. I didn’t like him. He wasn’t Hillary.

When he first got elected, I tried doing the good-Trump-bad-Trump thing every day. But that didn’t last that long, because I realized pretty quickly that he just lies all the time, and then he finally lost me at Helsinki, when he stood in front of the world and said, “I’m with Putin and not my own people.” From that moment on, a little over a year ago, it’s just been downhill.

I’m stunned and disappointed that a bigger Republican isn’t challenging him. I waited for months, and I thought somebody would get in. I wrote a piece in the New York Times three weeks ago, and that piece was a plea. I would tweet and say stuff on my radio show with every idiotic thing he did, Come on guys, somebody — and it just wasn’t happening, and some people came to me, and I started to look into it the last month or so.

http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/09/joe-walsh-on-racism-regret-and-why-hes-primarying-trump.html

Pete, wrong at every turn. i don’t believe Walsh can win. I believe trump has a chance. i really wish there was a viable republican candidate with a realistic chance to win, who was a better person.

how about all the democrats who voted for hilary in 2016 over bernie? were they necessarily endorsing her character?

i could
do a write in vote for Condaleeza Rice if character is literally all that matters. But winning matters.

i’m voting for
trump over walsh if theres a primary, because the choice as i see it, is trump or whatever freak comes out of the democratic primaries.
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why i voted for him over Hilary? simple. i want a potus who will secure the nation, protect the unborn, grow the economy, and appoint judges who understand that they cannot violalate the constitution when it pleases them. looking at it through that lense, just about any republican is better than
just about any democrat. and before you say i’m a thoughtless gop zombie, i voted for bill clinton and think he was a good potus. i’m also in favor of gay marriage ( supported it long before most democrats did), and in favor of
more gun control, and opposed
to the death penalty.
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Walls do work Wayne, check Google to get examples. We are not the only country to use such a deterrent.
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what other countrys Israel ? please even a prison doesn't just expect a fence to be its only line of defense .. Trump supporters however think its That easy

show me the evidence that walls
don’t work? you shut your door at night? how come?

walls don’t work, give me an effing break.
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how well are the ones all ready there working?? and you want billions more to spend on something that wont do what you say it will ...

you shut your door at night ... (omg the world has had doors for centuries.. didn't know they were to keep mexicans out?? ) what a simpleton view of the world I can see how Trump appeals to you and the base ...

what other countrys Israel ? please even a prison doesn't just expect a fence to be its only line of defense .. Trump supporters however think its That easy

Wayne,just write “walls that work” and you will be enlightened. People like you who have opinions that are based on ignorance make me chuckle. Do you think we need a wall around the White House?
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^^^I have no idea what he's talking about

how well are the ones all ready there working?? and you want billions more to spend on something that wont do what you say it will ...

you shut your door at night ... (omg the world has had doors for centuries.. didn't know they were to keep mexicans out?? ) what a simpleton view of the world I can see how Trump appeals to you and the base ...

we shut our doors to keep people out who we didn’t invite. not just mexicans. and it works.

yes doors have been around for centuries. so have walls. because they work.

who says walls are all we need? your side, not my aide, wants to abandon ICE. think for a moment man.
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we shut our doors to keep people out who we didn’t invite. not just mexicans. and it works.

yes doors have been around for centuries. so have walls. because they work.

who says walls are all we need? your side, not my aide, wants to abandon ICE. think for a moment man.
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Well some of the other things resulted in torn apart families, imprisoned children, and AOC crying on a chain link fence.....sooooooo
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Well some of the other things resulted in torn apart families, imprisoned children, and AOC crying on a chain link fence.....sooooooo
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the cause of torn apart families, was adults who chose to take children with them on an illegal
journey. it’s also always worth noting that none of the snowflakes uttered a syllable
about separated families and caged children, when obama was doing it. selective outrage is fake outrage.

if we didn’t separate the kids, and threw everyone into one facility, and even one of those kids was hurt by an adult there, then the same people would be complaining that we threw the children to the wolves.

it’s very common for adults who are being processed through the criminal justice system, to temporarily lose custody of their children. happens all the time. it’s necessary.

and if i was born in mexico and couldn’t find work and couldn’t come here legally, i’d come here illegally if i had to. i absolutely get the motivation. but regardless of intentions, breaking the law has consequences, not all of them pleasant.

take every single penny we confiscate from mexican drug dealers and gangs, and use that money to improve those facilities. we have to detain these people
until their hearings, common sense and empirical data suggest that 90% of those released dont show up for their hearings, but they deserve compassion and
dignity.

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Wayne,just write “walls that work” and you will be enlightened. People like you who have opinions that are based on ignorance make me chuckle. Do you think we need a wall around the White House?
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Talk about living in ignorance whats your worldly Job experience.. when it comes to physical security or security in general why would we need a wall around the white house ..?
please explain

PS the current fence is 6ft 6 in tall :kewl: I doubt the secret service Just depends on the fence seeing its just that easy

Call it what you want,it is a deterrent. Any guess why it is there? And did you have time to use google or do you prefer to run blind and spout off.... Are you naive enough to actually think that the wall will be the only obstacle to stop illegals from entering. Jeez
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empirical data suggest that 90% of those released dont show up for their hearings, but they deserve compassion and
dignity.

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why do you post false hoods and right talking Points


Recent data shows that asylum seekers continue to appear for immigration court proceedings at high rates. In fiscal year 2018, Department of Justice (DOJ) figures show that 89 percent of all asylum applicants attended their final court hearing to receive a decision on their application. When families and unaccompanied children have access to legal representation, the rate of compliance with immigration court obligations is nearly 98 percent.


https://www.humanrightsfirst.org/resource/fact-check-asylum-seekers-regularly-attend-immigration-court-hearings

the cause of torn apart families, was adults who chose to take children with them on an illegal
journey. it’s also always worth noting that none of the snowflakes uttered a syllable
about separated families and caged children, when obama was doing it. selective outrage is fake outrage.

The Trump administration has chosen to prosecute immigrants under criminal statutes, rather than simply placing apprehended immigrants into civil immigration removal proceedings. Under the Immigration and Naturalization Act, people can be prosecuted in the criminal justice system for illegal entry, illegal re-entry, or assisting someone in illegal entry. However, past administrations have chosen to simply deport most offenders from the United States rather than use the resources of the criminal justice system to prosecute them. Criminal action had rarely been used in cases of families or parents and children coming across the border.
The use of criminal charges against parents caught crossing the border triggers a legal situation that necessitates separating children, while the use of civil immigration detention and removal does not require this to occur. When adults are detained and prosecuted in the criminal justice system for immigration offenses, their children cannot, by law, be housed with them in criminal jails, so the family unit is separated. The children are placed with the Department of Health and Human Services in shelters until they can be released to a family member, guardian, or foster family in the United States.

Previous administrations used family detention facilities, allowing the whole family to stay together while awaiting their deportation case in immigration court, or alternatives to detention, which required families to be tracked but released from custody to await their court date. Some children may have been separated from the adults they entered with, in cases where the family relationship could not be established, child trafficking was suspected, or there were not sufficient family detention facilities available. Both the Obama and Trump administrations have tried to establish more capacity to detain families and children, rather than releasing them until their hearing date. However, the zero-tolerance policy is the first time that a policy resulting in separation is being applied across the board.

if we didn’t separate the kids, and threw everyone into one facility, and even one of those kids was hurt by an adult there, then the same people would be complaining that we threw the children to the wolves.

it’s very common for adults who are being processed through the criminal justice system, to temporarily lose custody of their children. happens all the time. it’s necessary.

The Trump administration has chosen to prosecute immigrants under criminal statutes, rather than simply placing apprehended immigrants into civil immigration removal proceedings.

and if i was born in mexico and couldn’t find work and couldn’t come here legally, i’d come here illegally if i had to. i absolutely get the motivation. but regardless of intentions, breaking the law has consequences, not all of them pleasant.

take every single penny we confiscate from mexican drug dealers and gangs, and use that money to improve those facilities. we have to detain these people
until their hearings, common sense and empirical data suggest that 90% of those released dont show up for their hearings, but they deserve compassion and
dignity.

Most Released Families Attend Immigration Court Hearings
The latest case-by-case records from the Immigration Courts indicate that as of the end of May 2019 one or more removal hearings had already been held for nearly 47,000 newly arriving families seeking refuge in this country. Of these, almost six out of every seven families released from custody had shown up for their initial court hearing. Usually multiple hearings are required before a case is decided. For those who are represented, more than 99 percent had appeared at every hearing held. Thus, court records directly contradict the widely quoted claim that "90 Percent of Recent Asylum Seekers Skipped Their Hearings."

Under our current system, there is no legal requirement that immigrants actually receive notice, let alone timely notice, of their hearing. Given many problems in court records on attendance and in the system for notifying families of the place and time of their hearings, these appearance rates were remarkably high.

These and other findings discussed below are based upon an analysis of court records conducted by the Transactional Records Access Clearinghouse (TRAC) at Syracuse University. These court records, updated through May 2019, were obtained through a series of FOIA requests submitted by TRAC to the Executive Office for Immigration Review (EOIR).

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Meanwhile the Criminal courts are bogged down prosecuting people accused of illegal immigration who previously would have been dealt with by civil proceedings and delaying prosecution and sentencing for rape and other dangerous criminal cases.

You are selectively outraged at immigrants by lies propagated by the Trump administration and state media.

Call it what you want,it is a deterrent. Any guess why it is there? And did you have time to use google or do you prefer to run blind and spout off.... Are you naive enough to actually think that the wall will be the only obstacle to stop illegals from entering. Jeez
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clearly your Naive to think Trump and his supporters care about anything else except the wall ... and their foolish enough to think its already being built ...

google Trumps wall responses More than two years later, Trump’s wall remains unbuilt

Before Trump became president, 654 miles of the nearly 2,000-mile U.S. Mexico border had primary barriers. As of today, that hasn’t increased.

Under the Obama administration, total ICE deportations were above 385,000 each year in fiscal years 2009-2011, and hit a high of 409,849 in fiscal 2012. The numbers dropped to below 250,000 in fiscal years 2015 and 2016.

Under Trump, ICE deportations fell to 226,119 in fiscal 2017, then ticked up to over 250,000 in fiscal 2018 and hit a Trump administration high of 282,242 this fiscal year (as of June).

yea googles Great

clearly your Naive to think Trump and his supporters care about anything else except the wall ... and their foolish enough to think its already being built ...

google Trumps wall responses More than two years later, Trump’s wall remains unbuilt

Before Trump became president, 654 miles of the nearly 2,000-mile U.S. Mexico border had primary barriers. As of today, that hasn’t increased.

Under the Obama administration, total ICE deportations were above 385,000 each year in fiscal years 2009-2011, and hit a high of 409,849 in fiscal 2012. The numbers dropped to below 250,000 in fiscal years 2015 and 2016.

Under Trump, ICE deportations fell to 226,119 in fiscal 2017, then ticked up to over 250,000 in fiscal 2018 and hit a Trump administration high of 282,242 this fiscal year (as of June).

yea googles Great

Ha,you are funny but seem infected withTDS. Try to picture the wall being built to discourage illegals from entering the country. Now just picture our President doing this to protect our borders and citizens from potential crime. Try not to invoke Trump into this conversation, just leave him out....

NOW does the wall work?
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The Stable Genius has to have spikes on top as recommended by his gut, not a flat piece of steel as recommended by the experts.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36kXjJZ0mMU


Thanks for the video that visually shows that the wall is a deterrent. Some will be able to scale it, a lot, including little children, won't. One piece of the puzzle on how to deter many illegal border crossings.

the cause of torn apart families, was adults who chose to take children with them on an illegal
journey. it’s also always worth noting that none of the snowflakes uttered a syllable
about separated families and caged children, when obama was doing it. selective outrage is fake outrage.

if we didn’t separate the kids, and threw everyone into one facility, and even one of those kids was hurt by an adult there, then the same people would be complaining that we threw the children to the wolves.

it’s very common for adults who are being processed through the criminal justice system, to temporarily lose custody of their children. happens all the time. it’s necessary.

and if i was born in mexico and couldn’t find work and couldn’t come here legally, i’d come here illegally if i had to. i absolutely get the motivation. but regardless of intentions, breaking the law has consequences, not all of them pleasant.

take every single penny we confiscate from mexican drug dealers and gangs, and use that money to improve those facilities. we have to detain these people
until their hearings, common sense and empirical data suggest that 90% of those released dont show up for their hearings, but they deserve compassion and
dignity.

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I was being sarcastic:hee:
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Just another little tidbit in the ongoing smorgasborg of fake news:

https://www.redstate.com/bonchie/2019/09/05/media-cancel-james-mattis-learn-book-criticizes-wrong-president/?utm_source=rsmorningbriefing&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=nl&bcid=bf6d5580969b1ebc1202d7fd625046d4

why do you post false hoods and right talking Points


Recent data shows that asylum seekers continue to appear for immigration court proceedings at high rates. In fiscal year 2018, Department of Justice (DOJ) figures show that 89 percent of all asylum applicants attended their final court hearing to receive a decision on their application. When families and unaccompanied children have access to legal representation, the rate of compliance with immigration court obligations is nearly 98 percent.


https://www.humanrightsfirst.org/resource/fact-check-asylum-seekers-regularly-attend-immigration-court-hearings

Where were the complaints when Obama used these same exact facilities, and separated families in the same way? Answer that, please...

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/report-90-of-illegals-skip-immigration-court-appearances-135-000-will-go-missing

I was being sarcastic:hee:
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I thought you were, I wasn't 100% certain though...

Where were the complaints when Obama used these same exact facilities, and separated families in the same way? Answer that, please...

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remember when Obama's family members were all here illegally and collecting benefits....that was great :uhuh:

Ha,you are funny but seem infected withTDS. Try to picture the wall being built to discourage illegals from entering the country. Now just picture our President doing this to protect our borders and citizens from potential crime. Try not to invoke Trump into this conversation, just leave him out....

NOW does the wall work?
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NOW it's brilliant.

12,000 years later the snowflakes think they don’t work.
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You do have a problem with a President demanding the federal government go ahead and seize private land and then promising to pardon those who seized the land. Don’t you?

Where were the complaints when Obama used these same exact facilities, and separated families in the same way? Answer that, please...

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/report-90-of-illegals-skip-immigration-court-appearances-135-000-will-go-missing
Jim, he didn't ... seriously do some homework.

Must be a snowflake.

Congressman Will Hurd of Texas is an increasingly lonely voice in the “build the wall” Republican Party of Donald Trump. A 41-year-old former undercover CIA officer, Hurd represents one of the largest congressional districts in America, Texas’ 23rd, a vast expanse of land roughly the size of Georgia that stretches from San Antonio to El Paso.

Hurd’s district includes 820 miles of the U.S.-Mexico border, more than any other member of the House of Representatives. But if you’re expecting Hurd, who was narrowly re-elected to a third term last year, to support President Trump’s “big, beautiful wall” and stand with the decision to partially shut down the federal government over the fight, you’ve got it all wrong. Trump’s border crisis is a “myth,” Hurd tells Rolling Stone, and a wall made of cement or steel slats is a “third-century solution to a 21st-century problem.”


“What I always say is building a wall from sea to shining sea is the most expensive and least effective way to do border security,” Hurd says.

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/will-hurd-border-wall-myth-781204/

Jim, he didn't ... seriously do some homework.

fact-check.org says between 2010 and 2016, about 500,000 illegals were referred for prosecution.! they were allowed to bring their kids?

spence, the most widely circulated photo the left used, to show what a monster trump is on this issue, turned out to have been taken during the obama administration.

nothing but hypocrisy and fake, politically motivated outrage.
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fact-check.org says between 2010 and 2016, about 500,000 illegals were referred for prosecution.! they were allowed to bring their kids?

spence, the most widely circulated photo the left used, to show what a monster trump is on this issue, turned out to have been taken during the obama administration.

nothing but hypocrisy and fake, politically motivated outrage.
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Nothing but lies and fake, politically motivated outrage from you.

Did you actually look on fact-check.org?

If you did you would have found the following and by looking further you could eliminate most of the half-truths you repeat.

Falsehoods About Family Separations Linger Online
By Angelo Fichera

Posted on August 27, 2019

Quick Take
A viral social media post falsely claims that former President Barack Obama “separated” many more children at the border than President Donald Trump.

Full Story
The Trump administration announced a new rule on Aug. 21 that would allow the U.S. government to detain immigrant families that illegally cross the border for longer periods of time than currently permitted. It’s the latest attempt by the administration to deter illegal immigration.

That rule would keep families detained together, instead of being released pending a court date. And it avoids the issue of children being separated from their parents, which occurred in large numbers last year as a result a Trump administration policy that referred “100 percent of illegal Southwest Border crossings to the Department of Justice for prosecution.”

Online, though, misinformation about such separations lingers: One deceptive social media post, shared more than 120,000 times on Facebook, erroneously claims that former President Barack Obama separated many more children than President Donald Trump did.

“1900 children separated from parents at border,” the text reads next to a photo of Trump. “Result – Media Frenzy.”

Next to a photo of Obama, it reads: “89,000 children separated from parents at border. Result – Silence.”

As we’ve written before, there were some separations under the Obama administration, but no blanket policy to prosecute parents and, therefore, separate them from their children.

The U.S. Department of Health and Human Services’ inspector general released a report in January noting that, “historically” such family “separations were rare and occurred because of circumstances such as the parent’s medical emergency or a determination that the parent was a threat to the child’s safety.”

But, the report notes, that changed as a result of the Trump administration’s “zero tolerance” policy last spring. The Department of Homeland Security “separated large numbers of alien families, with adults being held in Federal detention while their children were transferred to the care of the Office of Refugee Resettlement (ORR) within the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS),” according to the report.

That report also said the department had “thus far identified 2,737 children in its care at that time who were separated from their parents. However, thousands of children may have been separated during an influx that began in 2017 … and HHS has faced challenges in identifying separated children.” The government is under a court order to identify other children who had been separated, but either way, we know the total far surpasses the 1,900 figure used in the meme.

As for the number of children who were separated under Obama, there have been no official figures released — but, as we said, the HHS inspector general noted that such separations were rare.

The “89,000” figure used in the meme is similar to previous claims that “90,000” children were separated under Obama — a number the Associated Press last year pointed out may have been incorrectly pulled from a 2016 Senate report. The report said that, since the beginning of fiscal year 2014, the Obama administration had placed “almost 90,000” unaccompanied children “with sponsors in the United States.”

At the time, the U.S. was experiencing an influx of unaccompanied children arriving at the border from Central America. The “90,000” figure largely represented children who had arrived at the border without a parent or guardian (though, as we said earlier, there may have been limited cases in which children were separated for the child’s safety).

That process for releasing unaccompanied children to sponsors continues. For reference, HHS data show that 133,502 unaccompanied children were released to sponsors during the 36 months between October 2013 and September 2016. The figure for the 33 months from October 2016 to June 2019 (the most recent data available) was 132,340.

Amid backlash, Trump ended the widespread practice of family separations through an executive order in June 2018. Court filings show that some separations have continued to occur.

The administration’s new rule to detain families until their cases are complete would replace the 1997 Flores settlement agreement, which has limited the circumstances and duration for which children can be detained to about 20 days. The government would be able to use certain Immigration and Customs Enforcement facilities, which are not licensed by the states, to house families together.

Attorneys in the Flores case have already signaled they will challenge the rule; a federal judge in California is expected to determine whether it lives up to the settlement agreement.

https://www.factcheck.org/2019/08/falsehoods-about-family-separations-linger-online/

https://www.factcheck.org/2018/05/trump-blames-own-border-policy-on-democrats/

If you actually go to factcheck.org and put separation into the search engine you can find more similar to the above.

But that wouldn't fit your agenda of Orangeman good (but I don't really like him and that leaves me an opening if it doesn't work out) and anyone who opposes Trump and the sycophants in his house of misfit toys is a snowflake, cuck, socialist, liberal, etc.

If it makes America stronger and safer the #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&s go haywire.
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why i they cannot violalate the constitution when it pleases them.
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You mean like Trump who believes he owns the power of the purse and not congress as intended by the constitution.
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how well are the ones all ready there working?? and you want billions more to spend on something that wont do what you say it will ...

you shut your door at night ... (omg the world has had doors for centuries.. didn't know they were to keep mexicans out?? ) what a simpleton view of the world I can see how Trump appeals to you and the base ...

i’d wager the walls are working where they exist. i’ll wager most illegal immigration takes place where there are no walls.

P.S. a-der-der.
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"This (AP) story has been corrected to reflect that Alabama WAS included in charts mentioning wind speed probabilities from August 28 to August 31. The story previously said it was not."

AP Agency reverses course on Trump’s Alabama hurricane claim


The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration issued a statement that information provided by NOAA and the National Hurricane Center to the president had demonstrated that “tropical-storm-force winds from Hurricane Dorian could impact Alabama.” The advisories were dated from last Wednesday, Aug. 28, through Monday, the statement read.

Friday’s NOAA statement, points to graphics issued by the National Hurricane Center to support Trump’s claims. The maps show percentage possibility of tropical storm force winds in the United States. Parts of Alabama were covered, usually with 5% to 10% chances, between Aug. 27 and Sept. 3. Maps on Aug. 30 grew to cover far more of Alabama.

Not a single word in the NOAA statement backs up Trump’s claim on Sunday that Alabama “will most likely be hit (much) harder than anticipated.”

Only a malignant narcissist would be unable to admit they too cannot predict the weather and be obsessed with it for close to a week, so far, keeping the story alive.

Yesterday the Stable Genius tweeted this, perhaps he was worried about the late night comics having to find new material.

The Fake News Media was fixated on the fact that I properly said, at the beginnings of Hurricane Dorian, that in addition to Florida & other states, Alabama may also be grazed or hit. They went Crazy, hoping against hope that I made a mistake (which I didn’t). Check out maps.....
....This nonsense has never happened to another President. Four days of corrupt reporting, still without an apology. But there are many things that the Fake News Media has not apologized to me for, like the Witch Hunt, or SpyGate! The LameStream Media and their Democrat.....
....partner should start playing it straight. It would be so much better for our Country!
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Not a single word in the NOAA statement backs up Trump’s claim on Sunday that Alabama “will most likely be hit (much) harder than anticipated.”

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he's not a meteorologist and they get it wrong all the time...triggered snowflakes a need to settle down :kewl:

he's not a meteorologist and they get it wrong all the time...triggered snowflakes a need to settle down :kewl:
As I said:
Only a malignant narcissist would be unable to admit they too cannot predict the weather and be obsessed with it for close to a week, so far, keeping the story alive.
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You mean like Trump who believes he owns the power of the purse and not congress as intended by the constitution.
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Congress funded the military. The President is commander in chief of the military, and directs how the military and how its resources will be deployed in defense of the nation. Congress is comprised of the House and the Senate. The Senate plus the President can override the House. Which Constitution are you talking about?

As I said:
Only a malignant narcissist would be unable to admit they too cannot predict the weather and be obsessed with it for close to a week, so far, keeping the story alive.
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he likes to keep you busy cutting and pasting

Congress funded the military.

I can't believe the military is using premium gasoline??? that is disgraceful

he likes to keep you busy cutting and pasting

He’s losing it.

“President Donald Trump's aides and confidants are growing more and more worried about his mental state after days of erratic behavior, wild outbursts, and bizarre fixations.”

As of Friday evening, Trump had posted 15 tweets and five maps about Alabama and the storm to try to prove his original tweet was correct, despite the fact that he'd been publicly rebuked by the National Weather Service.
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Hey if Trump looses in 2020, he can always get a job as a weatherman, or I really think he would be the super sharpie sales rep for the eastern US. Nobody draws a better black fake wind field circle than Trump.

Hey if Trump looses in 2020, he can always get a job as a weatherman, or I really think he would be the super sharpie sales rep for the eastern US. Nobody draws a better black fake wind field circle than Trump.

I thought it was great that the triggered dummies at CNN, while attacking trump managed to mistake Alabama for Mississippi...you'd think that a high-minded, more highly educated American news organizations would know the difference

He’s losing it.


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keep banging your head on that padded wall :wave:

As I said:
Only a malignant narcissist would be unable to admit they too cannot predict the weather and be obsessed with it for close to a week, so far, keeping the story alive.
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This seems like a fuss over nothing. So I haven't paid it any attention. Did Trump predict the weather? Or was he interpreting or regurgitating what he thought the weather folks said? Did Trump actually say that he can predict the weather better than or without the forecast of weather experts?

It seems that a great portion of our population is infected by a malignant anti-Trumpism which sadistically reacts against just about everything Trump does or says.

What’s next? Will the National Air and Space Museum construct exhibits on the significance of military aviation during the Revolutionary War?
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This seems like a fuss over nothing. So I haven't paid it any attention. Did Trump predict the weather? Or was he interpreting or regurgitating what he thought the weather folks said? Did Trump actually say that he can predict the weather better than or without the forecast of weather experts?.
As of Friday evening, Trump had posted 15 tweets and five maps about Alabama and the storm to try to prove his original tweet was correct, despite the fact that he'd been publicly rebuked by the National Weather Service.
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How can we not be caught up in it, it's something stupid or dumb coming out of his mouth or twitter account week after week and when he gets called out on something he got totally wrong he reverts back to his childhood. Only a child caught in a lie takes out a sharpie to recreate the hurricane track to make his lie the truth.

You MR. (Detbuch) CONSTITUTION, you seem to be OK with Trump steeling money from the military to build his wall. The constitution was set up to prevent authoritarian leadership to have control over our tax payer money, yet now apparently you don't see a problem with him taking control of the purse. Where are you now when our Potus is ignoring the intent of the constitution, or is it as I've stated before; the means justify the ends and a rule bent here or there is ok?

Do you mean stealing $?
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Do you mean stealing $?
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I really should include you when talking about childish, you have it down pat.
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I thought it was great that the triggered dummies at CNN, while attacking trump managed to mistake Alabama for Mississippi...you'd think that a high-minded, more highly educated American news organizations would know the difference

False equivalence, if they had then started tweeting and claiming that Alabama was once or really Mississippi, they’d be in line with Trump’s behavior.
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False equivalence,
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I wasn't making an equivalence...false accusation of false equivalence..I just pointed out that the dummies at CNN don't know the difference or they were so desperately triggered to attack trump that they made themselves look dumber than trump which is par for the course in scotland

@JRubinBlogger wields her Magnum Sharpie to connect the dots. “And so it is that a map, covered widely by news media and used for comedic fodder by late-night comedians, has entrapped Trump in a web of his own lies, obsessions and insecurities.”
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I really should include you when talking about childish, you have it down pat.
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Just as you have illiteracy down pat.

Cheetahs again?
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I see a clear pattern from our resident Trump Supporters and liberal haters

Most of their responses are canned responses as if they cant articulate a reasonable argument that is Fact base .. aka TDS, snowflake , spelling

you think Climate change is real . ( response its a hoax and it any attempts to fix will destroy the economy and our way of life happens all the time ) evidence non provided

support gun control even if you own a gun and have a license to carry ( response you want to take our guns and rights seizure ) evidence none provided

Against a wall but not against fixing the issue (response you support open borders or illegal immigration ) evidence none provided

Against police who shoot unarmed people ( response you hate the police or do as your told )

Trump changing the forecast map, lying daily Pence staying at Tump property in Ireland so on and so forth , Trump supporters oddly enough have nothing to say about theses topic .. ( other than the canned TDS or snowflakes)

they only have comments towards those who highlight their existence... they even ignoring their past paper trail of written words exposing their Hypocrisy .. some who had extensive detailed posts who now only only conduct Drive by post's others who feel 1 or 2 critical post for or against response is all it takes to show objectivity with hundreds of post in 1 direction ..

Clearly My Views of the Direction Trump is taking the USA (not talking economy) is a road to Nationalism hiding behind Patriotism...

and will be seen by the cult personalties or Trump supporters as hating America again with no evidence given


A cult of personality, or cult of the leader,[1] arises when a country's regime – or, more rarely, an individual – uses the techniques of mass media, propaganda, the big lie, spectacle, the arts, patriotism, and government-organized demonstrations and rallies to create an idealized, heroic, and worshipful image of a leader, often through unquestioning flattery and praise.

And here I thought this ^^^^^ couldn't happen in America How wrong i was

NOAA Contradicts Weather Service, Backs Trump On Hurricane Threat In Alabama (don't question the leader .. fact not one forecasting map had the hurricane map any where Alabama...



After the president's tweet, the National Weather Service, in Birmingham, Ala., responded with its own tweet, saying "Alabama will NOT see any impacts from #Dorian. We repeat, no impacts from Hurricane #Dorian will be felt across Alabama. The system will remain too far east."

they also must be trying to embarrass Trump liberal operatives have infiltrated the national weather service in Alabama .. its the only logical explanation

@JRubinBlogger wields her Magnum Sharpie to connect the dots. “And so it is that a map, covered widely by news media and used for comedic fodder by late-night comedians, has entrapped Trump in a web of his own lies, obsessions and insecurities.”
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this is dumb...trump did provide the dummies with something to blabber on about mindlessly and endlessly though....marker gate.....he and his family are probably robbing the bank while the dummies talk about magic markers

I see a clear pattern from our resident Trump Supporters and liberal haters

Most of their responses are canned responses as if they cant articulate a reasonable argument that is Fact base .. aka TDS, snowflake , spelling

you think Climate change is real . ( response its a hoax and it any attempts to fix will destroy the economy and our way of life happens all the time ) evidence non provided

support gun control even if you own a gun and have a license to carry ( response you want to take our guns and rights seizure ) evidence none provided

Against a wall but not against fixing the issue (response you support open borders or illegal immigration ) evidence none provided

Against police who shoot unarmed people ( response you hate the police or do as your told )

Trump changing the forecast map, lying daily Pence staying at Tump property in Ireland so on and so forth , Trump supporters oddly enough have nothing to say about theses topic .. ( other than the canned TDS or snowflakes)

they only have comments towards those who highlight their existence... they even ignoring their past paper trail of written words exposing their Hypocrisy .. some who had extensive detailed posts who now only only conduct Drive by post's others who feel 1 or 2 critical post for or against response is all it takes to show objectivity with hundreds of post in 1 direction ..

Clearly My Views of the Direction Trump is taking the USA (not talking economy) is a road to Nationalism hiding behind Patriotism...

and will be seen by the cult personalties or Trump supporters as hating America again with no evidence given


A cult of personality, or cult of the leader,[1] arises when a country's regime – or, more rarely, an individual – uses the techniques of mass media, propaganda, the big lie, spectacle, the arts, patriotism, and government-organized demonstrations and rallies to create an idealized, heroic, and worshipful image of a leader, often through unquestioning flattery and praise.

And here I thought this ^^^^^ couldn't happen in America How wrong i was

NOAA Contradicts Weather Service, Backs Trump On Hurricane Threat In Alabama (don't question the leader .. fact not one forecasting map had the hurricane map any where Alabama...



After the president's tweet, the National Weather Service, in Birmingham, Ala., responded with its own tweet, saying "Alabama will NOT see any impacts from #Dorian. We repeat, no impacts from Hurricane #Dorian will be felt across Alabama. The system will remain too far east."

they also must be trying to embarrass Trump liberal operatives have infiltrated the national weather service in Alabama .. its the only logical explanation

Curious that you only see this on the “other” side. Yet when presented with facts that contradict your opinions,you come up with a false equivalency. Human nature I guess. But some don’t see it that way....
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How can we not be caught up in it, it's something stupid or dumb coming out of his mouth or twitter account week after week and when he gets called out on something he got totally wrong he reverts back to his childhood. Only a child caught in a lie takes out a sharpie to recreate the hurricane track to make his lie the truth.

Maybe some just find it too difficult to not get caught up in stupid stuff. I've never got caught up in Biden's constant nonsense. Maybe a sardonic chuckle or so. But never considered them relevant. My only significant opposition to him is his policies.

You MR. (Detbuch) CONSTITUTION, you seem to be OK with Trump steeling money from the military to build his wall. The constitution was set up to prevent authoritarian leadership to have control over our tax payer money, yet now apparently you don't see a problem with him taking control of the purse. Where are you now when our Potus is ignoring the intent of the constitution, or is it as I've stated before; the means justify the ends and a rule bent here or there is ok?

He has not taken control of the purse. Congress still has that control. But, as I pointed out to you, Congress is made up of two constitutional parts, the House and the Senate. Both have to agree on spending. If the Senate supports the President against the House, then the President, constitutionally, gets his funds.

As of Friday evening, Trump had posted 15 tweets and five maps about Alabama and the storm to try to prove his original tweet was correct, despite the fact that he'd been publicly rebuked by the National Weather Service.
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You focus only on one side of the barrage. Trump is constantly being bombarded by accusations and characterizations. I find no fault in him retorting back in whatever number of tweets he wishes. He may not always be right, but he often is. He was (and is) voluminously portrayed, and "publicly rebuked", as a traitor, Russian collaborator, Nazi, Fascist, homophobe, misogynist, alt-right, racist, and it has demonstrably been shown that he isn't. But if he didn't fight back, with lots and lots of tweets among other ways, he probably would have been destroyed. And it is obvious to me that the intention has been to destroy him.

So I give him kudos for defending every millimeter and ounce of personal turf that he still has. Even when he is mistaken, I understand the gravity of what is being attempted against him and the need to counter it. And I understand why you so strenuously speak in accord with those who oppose him. And why every little possibly denigrating word or move he speaks or makes must be weaponized against him when the big, important, stuff he is accused of fails.

You focus only on one side of the barrage. Trump is constantly being bombarded by accusations and characterizations. I find no fault in him retorting back in whatever number of tweets he wishes. He may not always be right, but he often is. He was (and is) voluminously portrayed, and "publicly rebuked", as a traitor, Russian collaborator, Nazi, Fascist, homophobe, misogynist, alt-right, racist, and it has demonstrably been shown that he isn't. But if he didn't fight back, with lots and lots of tweets among other ways, he probably would have been destroyed. And it is obvious to me that the intention has been to destroy him.

So I give him kudos for defending every millimeter and ounce of personal turf that he still has. Even when he is mistaken, I understand the gravity of what is being attempted against him and the need to counter it. And I understand why you so strenuously speak in accord with those who oppose him. And why every little possibly denigrating word or move he speaks or makes must be weaponized against him when the big, important, stuff he is accused of fails.

last week, cnn had the head of the psychology department of Duke university on. he said trump has killed millions more than hitler, stalin, or mao, and the host didn’t object. that’s as crazy and as antithetical to fair play as anything trump has ever done. the libs changed the rules in 2008, and after two cycles the right figured out to nominate someone quite at home in the arena of dirty fighting, and now the left acts as if they did nothing to bring this about. they portrayed mccain as a senile old racist, and romney as a heartless plutocrat who objectified women, too bad for them if someone’s better at that game than they are, you reap what you sow.
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this is dumb...trump did provide the dummies with something to blabber on about mindlessly and endlessly though....marker gate.....he and his family are probably robbing the bank while the dummies talk about magic markers
Well, you finally put your proverbial finger on Trump’s MO
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You focus only on one side of the barrage. Trump is constantly being bombarded by accusations and characterizations. I find no fault in him retorting back in whatever number of tweets he wishes. He may not always be right, but he often is. He was (and is) voluminously portrayed, and "publicly rebuked", as a traitor, Russian collaborator, Nazi, Fascist, homophobe, misogynist, alt-right, racist, and it has demonstrably been shown that he isn't.
Trump sets himself against anyone who doesn’t support him.
He consistently denigrates anyone who criticizes him in any way and demands praise that in his mind and perhaps yours is due.
His base, of which you seem to be part, has shown no growth despite the good economy.
I have seen no demonstrable evidence that he is not any of the things he has been accused of, and far more evidence that he is. Claiming that you are the least........does not make you so, but in most people’s minds, reinforces the belief that the converse is true.
60% of Americans are too smart to fall for Trump.
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last week, cnn had the head of the psychology department of Duke university on. he said trump has killed millions more than hitler, stalin, or mao,
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was his name Pete F. ?

Trump sets himself against anyone who doesn’t support him.

How do you know such a thing? How do you know that there are not many instances in which he doesn't? Just because your preferred media hasn't reported it or isn't even aware of it? You seem to be an absolutist for that which you think you know. Yet it is apparent that you're ignorant of a whole lot more things than the limited number of things you think you know.

And, anyway, what's so wrong about being against those who do not support you, especially when you are in a war with those who want to destroy you?

He consistently denigrates anyone who criticizes him in any way and demands praise that in his mind and perhaps yours is due.

Again, what makes you think you know of every instance where someone criticized him? How do you know that there are not times when he was criticized and he not only didn't denigrate, but thanked or agreed with someone who pointed out his error? And what's so bad about denigrating someone who unfairly criticizes you, especially when you are in a war with those who want to destroy you?

His base, of which you seem to be part, has shown no growth despite the good economy.

I don't know if that is true or significant to me if it were. I have no faith in media statistics. They have so often been wrong. And about stuff that is irrelevant to what is politically important to me.

I have seen no demonstrable evidence that he is not any of the things he has been accused of, and far more evidence that he is.

I don't believe that you would accept demonstrable evidence. I have, many times, pointed out how long lists of what you consider evidence were neither demonstrable nor correctly applicable to Trump. You never were able to demonstrably refute me. You seem to just keep throwing out stuff you read or saw which denigrated Trump, some of which you haven't fully understood or which actually refuted your opinion. But which ultimately are no more than opinion. Biased, unsubstantiated opinion.

Claiming that you are the least........does not make you so, but in most people’s minds, reinforces the belief that the converse is true.
60% of Americans are too smart to fall for Trump.


Again, you spout vague, biased opinion. And throw in some media statistic that is irrelevant, not truly substantiated (no-one has polled 60% of Americans), and probably has internal biases and contradictions which, when considered, skew the totality in a direction not intended by a bald sample. One can find statistics which favor Trump as well. If all the agenda driven statistics were quoted, could we tally them and claim that if anti-Trump stats outnumber pro-Trump stats, then the anti would win and therefore prove that Trump is a bad guy, or vice versa? This is nonsense.


Just so you know where I'm coming from, let me say that your opinions may be right. And they may be wrong. But proof requires, for me, a high bar to hurdle. For me, your supposed evidences have not even come close to jumping that high. Your stuff is like the Russian collusion, conspiracy thing was and which went up in smoke when media and political anti-Trumpists had their constantly iterated and expanding inflammatory bubble burst when their narrative was actually scrutinized rather than just merely being accepted. And like plans B, C, et al (racist, white nationalist, and so forth) that followed when that failed. A whole lot of circumstantial factoids, spiced up with biased opinion, presented as a plausible package of destructive Trump guilt.

There is nothing substantial in all that diatribe, biased accusation, and shear puffery or propaganda to outweigh my desire for policies that lead to the actual constitutional government that I prefer. Progressivism, no matter how nice or moral or honest the candidate, is counter to what I stand for. If the only other viable choice is a Republican, a lesser devil, giving some hope for constitutionalism, then that will win my vote.

There’s always a tweet for that
http://www.trumptwitterarchive.com/
Trump is an odd way to get to a strict Constitutionalist government. Keep believing, the gong will sound soon for Trump’s amateur hour.
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Oh good.....a prediction.
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He has not taken control of the purse. Congress still has that control. But, as I pointed out to you, Congress is made up of two constitutional parts, the House and the Senate. Both have to agree on spending. If the Senate supports the President against the House, then the President, constitutionally, gets his funds.

I’m sure our forefathers didn’t want the president having the ability to call anything an emergency in order to steel money appropriated for military use. Congress using the power of the purse approved those projects and Trump is so fing desperate to get some of his fence built ahead of 2020, he feels he can overstep and steel those funds.
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Do you mean steal?
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I’m sure our forefathers didn’t want the president having the ability to call anything an emergency in order to steel money appropriated for military use. Congress using the power of the purse approved those projects and Trump is being so fing desperate to get some of his fence built ahead of 2020, he feels he can overstep and steel those funds.
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Our forefathers didn't use loose language when they wrote the Constitution. "Anything" is too vague in this instance. A specific thing is being addressed here as needing speedy attention. Many thousands of foreigners are illegally crossing our borders without regard to our laws, wishes, national stability, and economic and cultural well being.

You vaguely, loosely, refer to Trump overstepping and stealing. He has not overstepped. He is not stealing. He is trying to protect our borders, which is the responsibility of the federal government, and the duty of the president to execute. The use of the US military resources to protect our borders is constitutionally legitimate. The major, if not entire, purpose of having a national military is to protect our country against any foreign intrigue, which would include massive, illegal penetration of our borders.

Baloney
Congress specifically did not authorize the funding for the wall.
Trump decided to declare an emergency and said in public in the Rose Garden that he did not need to declare said emergency.
If you can spin that into Article 2 powers, you have a very broad interpretation.
He was probably just kidding, or misconstrued.
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Baloney
Congress specifically did not authorize the funding for the wall.
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weren't you just whining recently that not enough wall has been built to date?


what a maroon

in order to steel money appropriated for military use. he feels he can overstep and steel those funds.

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you are precious :scream:

Do you mean steal?
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definitely smarter than the average beer...hang on....spence is asking me to be more pacific

He has not taken control of the purse. Congress still has that control. But, as I pointed out to you, Congress is made up of two constitutional parts, the House and the Senate. Both have to agree on spending. If the Senate supports the President against the House, then the President, constitutionally, gets his funds.
This makes little sense.

Regardless it seems pretty depraved for our some of our service members families to have their children's education and safety compromised just so Trump can have a talking point.

Regardless it seems pretty depraved for our some of our service members families to have their children's education and safety compromised just so Trump can have a talking point.


This makes little sense.



fixed it:wave:

Baloney
Congress specifically did not authorize the funding for the wall.
Trump decided to declare an emergency and said in public in the Rose Garden that he did not need to declare said emergency.
If you can spin that into Article 2 powers, you have a very broad interpretation.
He was probably just kidding, or misconstrued.


There are several billion dollars of UNOBLIGATED funds in the military budget that can be transferred to other projects, such as wall construction, that the Pentagon deems necessary or appropriate. Which it has. And you guys seem to miss that the Senate is the other half of Congress. In order for "Congress" to disapprove of how that money is spent, it would take both the House and the Senate to agree. At this point, the Senate is backing the President.

definitely smarter than the average beer...hang on....spence is asking me to be more pacific

Boy you two are a couple of gems, I couldn't care less to get readers on when posting from my ipad and if you can't get the meaning of the word I suspect you two might be the slower of the group. Auto fill works fast and I couldn't care less to proof read everything before I post, but hey keep up the childish insults it only proves what I already know.

There are several billion dollars of UNOBLIGATED funds in the military budget that can be transferred to other projects, such as wall construction, that the Pentagon deems necessary or appropriate. Which it has. And you guys seem to miss that the Senate is the other half of Congress. In order for "Congress" to disapprove of how that money is spent, it would take both the House and the Senate to agree. At this point, the Senate is backing the President.

That all works as long as you declare an emergency, but when you claim you didn't need to it ought to make you think. I suppose it was just hyperbole, puffery or it could be another lie.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLMRo0x7_3c

The Space Control Facility at Peterson Air Force Base is out. No doubt Gen. John W. Raymond, the newly appointed head of Space Command, would have objected to robbing Peterson to pay for the wall.

The Fire/Crash/Rescue Station at Tyndall Air Force Base in Florida is no more, because who needs rescuing from a crashed or flaming airplane?

The Child Development Center at Joint Base Andrews will not be built. Those youngsters, “ages six weeks to five years,” will probably be fine at whatever facility they currently have, which the Defense Department obviously had previously considered inadequate. Ditto the middle school in Fort Campbell, Kentucky.

The Ambulatory Care Center at Camp Lejeune, North Carolina, will go without its renovation. But remember, just because President Trump’s executive order took money away from health care for servicemembers — to pay for a wall we don’t need that he promised Mexico would pay for — doesn’t mean he loves the troops any less.

The Laurel Bay Fire Station in Beaufort, South Carolina, will not be replaced. Whatever was wrong with the old fire station that convinced the Defense Department to replace it will remain wrong with it.

Joint Base Langley-Eustis in Virginia will not get a new cyber operations facility, because the future of warfare probably has nothing to do with computers and everything to do with walls.

The hazardous materials warehouse at Norfolk Navy Base in Norfolk, Virginia, will not be replaced. What could go wrong?

These are just examples from the contiguous United States. There are other programs being cancelled in U.S. territories and overseas bases, including more schools for the children of servicemembers, readiness centers, a hazardous material storage building, repair facilities for stealth fighter jets, and dozens of training facilities.

The military construction budget was gutted to build 175 miles of wall and fencing along the border with Mexico, which is about 2,000 miles long.

Good thing nothing they canceled was all that important.

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/6382263-Public-Territories-and-50-States.html?embed=true&responsive=false&sidebar=false

Just remember your justification when the next president declares an emergency to solve one of these problems.

1. Divert military money to fund renewable energy and climate-related construction projects
2. Block domestic oil drilling
3. Restrict car emissions
4. Overhaul trade with countries that buy and sell fossil fuels
5. Change gun regulations
And when you say they could not, keep in mind that at the beginning of the year it was thought that Trump couldn't.

Boy you two are a couple of gems, I couldn't care less to get readers on when posting from my ipad and if you can't get the meaning of the word I suspect you two might be the slower of the group. Auto fill works fast and I couldn't care less to proof read everything before I post, but hey keep up the childish insults it only proves what I already know.

that's a great philosophy in life...."I get stuff wrong and everyone else should just deal with it if they don't like it(or find it amusing;)) because I don't care"...hopefully you don't build things :rotf3:

Soem poepel konw teh dfiferenec betewne a becnh and a pniao.

that's a great philosophy in life...."I get stuff wrong and everyone else should just deal with it if they don't like it(or find it amusing;)) because I don't care"...hopefully you don't build things :rotf3:

Are you two that lame that when two might get auto filled into too, or steal gets turned into steel by a bit of software built in, that it’s hard to fathom the meaning. Or maybe it’s even more lame that you continue to find a need to comment, it’s really not painting either of you two (or too) in a good light.
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That all works as long as you declare an emergency, but when you claim you didn't need to it ought to make you think. I suppose it was just hyperbole, puffery or it could be another lie.

He did declare an emergency. So, as you say, it all works. Enough for me when it comes to the question of leglality and unconstitutionality. As for whether an emergency is needed for the Pentagon to spend unobligated funds on other things, I don't know. I don't think an emergency is needed to do so. But I don't know. I was responding to the objections that Trump was somehow trampling the Constitution. And that he was stealing. It seems that you have come around to seeing that he was not illegally messing with Congress's power of the purse

There are other programs being cancelled.

The military construction budget was gutted to build 175 miles of wall and fencing along the border with Mexico, which is about 2,000 miles long.

Sometimes priorities suck.

Just remember your justification when the next president declares an emergency

I didn't create a justification. I stated the legal process that exists. If you don't like that legal process, then remember how we got to the point that the federal government has far more power than the Constitution originally gave it.

to solve one of these problems.

1. Divert military money to fund renewable energy and climate-related construction projects
2. Block domestic oil drilling
3. Restrict car emissions
4. Overhaul trade with countries that buy and sell fossil fuels
5. Change gun regulations
And when you say they could not, keep in mind that at the beginning of the year it was thought that Trump couldn't.

This is rich. You didn't seem concerned about warnings about what the federal government could become and do as a result of Progressive "interpretations" of the law.

It would be nice if we didn't insist that the federal government solve many of the problems that the states and the free market should solve. If it didn't it might be easier to fund it and the things it should constitutionally solve.

Are you two that lame that when two might get auto filled into too, or steal gets turned into steel by a bit of software built in, that it’s hard to fathom the meaning. Or maybe it’s even more lame that you continue to find a need to comment, it’s really not painting either of you two (or too) in a good light.
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Geez,GS.
You already have said multiple times that it doesn’t bother you. If you keep commenting about it then people might get the wrong impression. I think between the cheetahs and the software that you are getting a bad wrap.
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I’m just concerned for you two, is it early dementia, impaired reasoning is an early symptom.
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Geez,GS.
You already have said multiple times that it doesn’t bother you. If you keep commenting about it then people might get the wrong impression. I think between the cheetahs and the software that you are getting a bad wrap.
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It probably doesn't bother him as it doesn't bother me bc everyone can see what type of person you are but I personally think your scumminess needs to be called out for what it is. When you criticize another member's sons college choice here I thought that was as low as a thing as I've ever seen. But then I remembered it was from you so it wasn't surprising. And no comment on your spelling.
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Get out the violin.
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It probably doesn't bother him as it doesn't bother me bc everyone can see what type of person you are but I personally think your scumminess needs to be called out for what it is. When you criticize another member's sons college choice here I thought that was as low as a thing as I've ever seen. But then I remembered it was from you so it wasn't surprising. And no comment on your spelling.
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I never expect anything more from a pig than a grunt.
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