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Jim in CT
09-17-2019, 10:37 AM
i had thought that was settled, but then the NYT runs a piece about a sexual assault, and they left out the minor detail that the alleged victim has no memory of the event. but that’s a minor detail not worth including.

i’m not sure these deranged witch hunts help the democrats, maybe they do.

i also learned that Yales does regularly have “nude parties” where the kids wear no clothes. The students say it leads to more sophisticated conversation. i’m sure. And parents kill themselves to send their children there.

PaulS
09-17-2019, 11:22 AM
From your post it looks like you don't care about sexual assault. It is a joke how the Admin. told the FBI to investigate. People came forward to state they had info. and the FBI was constrained and couldn't interview them.

The NYT corrected the story I bet that you will bring that up again and again. The witnesses who came forward w/the story stated they doubted she would remember bc she was drunk.

Why not do a good and complete investigation so there isn't a cloud over his head?

wdmso
09-17-2019, 11:29 AM
But Antonio Brown
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Jim in CT
09-17-2019, 11:33 AM
From your post it looks like you don't care about sexual assault. It is a joke how the Admin. told the FBI to investigate. People came forward to state they had info. and the FBI was constrained and couldn't interview them.

The NYT corrected the story I bet that you will bring that up again and again. The witnesses who came forward w/the story stated they doubted she would remember bc she was drunk.

Why not do a good and complete investigation so there isn't a cloud over his head?

i care a lot about actual
sexual assaults. stuff
that appears made up for political purposes, is a little
different from a woman actually getting hurt.

paul, we have two democrat presidential candidates saying he should
be impeached, when the victim isn’t making a complaint, and has reportedly said she doesn’t know if the event took place. that’s probable cause? harris is a prosecutor, and warren is a harvard law professor. they of all people
should know better.

they’re pusses trump won and got to pick two justices. elections have consequences. the gop didn’t do this with kagan or sotomayor.
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RIROCKHOUND
09-17-2019, 11:33 AM
It is a bit disturbing that a Senator (Cooms) sent a letter to the FBI asking them to talk to witnesses from Yale that apparently was never acted on.

If Garland had moved forward under a similar cloud, and Jim Jordan had sent a similar letter, heads on the right would have exploded....

Jim in CT
09-17-2019, 11:35 AM
From your post it looks like you don't care about sexual assault. It is a joke how the Admin. told the FBI to investigate. People came forward to state they had info. and the FBI was constrained and couldn't interview them.

The NYT corrected the story I bet that you will bring that up again and again. The witnesses who came forward w/the story stated they doubted she would remember bc she was drunk.

Why not do a good and complete investigation so there isn't a cloud over his head?

yes the nyt corrected the story, only after the editors actively deleted key facts from the original
piece, and also only after they were vilified for doing so. big whoop they fixed it. we all know what they did.
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Jim in CT
09-17-2019, 11:38 AM
If Garland had moved forward under a similar cloud, and Jim Jordan had sent a similar letter, heads on the right would have exploded....

and if my aunt had wheels, she’d be a tea cart. the gop doesn’t resort to these smear tactics with democratic scotus nominees. kagan and sotomayor got confirmed, each got plenty of gop votes.
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PaulS
09-17-2019, 11:48 AM
i care a lot about actual
sexual assaults. stuff
that appears made up for political purposes, is a little
different from a woman actually getting hurt. How do you know w/o an actual investigation?

paul, we have two democrat presidential candidates saying he should
be impeached, when the victim isn’t making a complaint, and has reportedly said she doesn’t know if the event took place. that’s probable cause? harris is a prosecutor, and warren is a harvard law professor. they of all people
should know better.I don't think the Dems. S/h said he should be impeached. They should have said they wanted an actual investigation.

they’re pusses trump won and got to pick two justices. elections have consequences. the gop didn’t do this with kagan or sotomayor.
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NM

The Dad Fisherman
09-17-2019, 12:01 PM
#BelieveHer even if she doesn’t remember it happening :rolleyes:
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Jim in CT
09-17-2019, 12:11 PM
#BelieveHer even if she doesn’t remember it happening :rolleyes:
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right. paul, if the alleged
victim isn’t making a complaint and isn’t saying it happened, what’s there to investigate?

he’s a serial predator, and there’s zero direct, credible evidence? come on.
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spence
09-17-2019, 12:28 PM
It is a bit disturbing that a Senator (Cooms) sent a letter to the FBI asking them to talk to witnesses from Yale that apparently was never acted on.
From what I've heard the new incident had some pretty credible sourcing. Should have been investigated at a min.

Pete F.
09-17-2019, 12:34 PM
The truth is credible people wanted to speak to the FBI and were not allowed to.
The lesson the Senate, the FBI, the president and Kavanaugh sent to victims was: The male perpetrator and his allies can orchestrate, choreograph and curate the process to avoid accountability.

Jim in CT
09-17-2019, 12:39 PM
who cares if the victim agrees that the event took place. how about going to the CT police, they have no jurisdiction? or does the Yale University, as well as the CT state government, bend over backwards to protect trump? that makes all
kinds of sense, yale and the state of CT being so conservative.
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Jim in CT
09-17-2019, 12:40 PM
From what I've heard the new incident had some pretty credible sourcing. Should have been investigated at a min.

makes you wonder why then, the NYT edited the story the way they did.
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scottw
09-17-2019, 12:42 PM
there is no low that is too low for the despicable democrats to stoop to...they are shameless..and relentless...like rabid creatures

RIROCKHOUND
09-17-2019, 12:50 PM
and if my aunt had wheels, she’d be a tea cart. the gop doesn’t resort to these smear tactics with democratic scotus nominees. kagan and sotomayor got confirmed, each got plenty of gop votes.
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So, if these claims came forward they should not have investigated them?

If RGB is off the court early in 2020, should we expect the GOP and Trump to not put forth a nominee because if is an election year following the Garland precedent?

PaulS
09-17-2019, 12:52 PM
right. paul, if the alleged
victim isn’t making a complaint and isn’t saying it happened, what’s there to investigate? There are witnesses to the incident.

he’s a serial predator, and there’s zero direct, credible evidence? come on.
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So if someone doesn't know something happened to them, in your mind it is ok to do something to them?

Raping a handicapped or someone not cognizant is ok in your book?

spence
09-17-2019, 12:58 PM
makes you wonder why then, the NYT edited the story the way they did.
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Even the NYTimes makes mistakes. Difference is a credible outlet corrects the record as they did.

Pete F.
09-17-2019, 01:03 PM
A Senate hearing for a lifetime appointment is not a criminal trial nor should it be.
Confirmation hearings were not intended to be based on the rules of evidence, but on the judgement of Senators, the hundred top ranked elected officials in a coequal branch of government.
It is wiser to err and not confirm than it is to put a person on the Supreme Court for life who, even in appearance, is tainted in some way.
No person is important enough to take that chance.

scottw
09-17-2019, 01:06 PM
Even the NYTimes makes mistakes.



yeah..."mistake"

scottw
09-17-2019, 01:06 PM
So if someone doesn't know something happened to them, in your mind it is ok to do something to them?

Raping a handicapped or someone not cognizant is ok in your book?

this is idiocy....where do you come up with this crap?

oops...was that snarky?

Sea Dangles
09-17-2019, 01:27 PM
The stuff that runs through his mind...🙄
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Jim in CT
09-17-2019, 01:28 PM
So, if these claims came forward they should not have investigated them?

If RGB is off the court early in 2020, should we expect the GOP and Trump to not put forth a nominee because if is an election year following the Garland precedent?

if the victim isn’t asking for an investigation, and won’t even concede that the event took place, then i’m not sure there’s anything to investigate.

ahhh, ginsberg and the scotus. that’s what this is all about, obviously. let me start by saying i think garland should
have been given a hearing, and then he should have been rejected. but he wasn’t.

if ginsburg retires, i don’t think the senate should wait. the american people, in free elections, have chosen to give senate control
to the republicans. for 8 years, from 2009 - 2016, obama liked to say that elections have consequences. i agree with him. unlike democrats, i agree with that even when it’s not good for
my personal agenda.

when passing on garland, the gop
senate should not have said its best to wait for the next election. they should have said “ the american people gave senate control to the gop, and that includes responsibility for confirming judges, and no logic would lead anyone to conclude that he people did that, because they wanted Scalia replaced with Garland.”. that’s what they should have said. they didn’t, which means they will look very hypocritical if they try to sneak one in, in 2020. but i hope that’s what happens.

the party that controls the senate, confirms judges. today, that’s the gop.

ginsberg blew it by not retiring when the democrats had the white house and the senate. if trump gets re elected ( unlikely imo but i said that in 2016 too), and the gop keeps the senate, it’s very likely she gets replaced with Amy Barrett. a conservative catholic, and during those conformation hearings, you’ll see just how much democrats like women.
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PaulS
09-17-2019, 01:30 PM
this is idiocy....where do you come up with this crap?

oops...was that snarky?

So you must be of the mindset that if the person is not aware something is happening to them it is ok to do it to them and there is no recourse.

Looks like your that low despicable person you ranted about earlier.

Pete F.
09-17-2019, 01:31 PM
Did Kavanaugh repeatedly lie to Congress is the question?

The Supreme Court nominee has been adamant that while he enjoys beer and perhaps at time drank “too many,” it was never to the point of passing out, blacking out, or even causing slight lapses in memory.

He grew “belligerent and aggressive” as a drunk, according to Chad Ludington, one of Kavanaugh’s former classmates.

Liz Swisher, another former Yale classmate “There’s no problem with drinking beer in college. The problem is lying about it.”

In 2004, Kavanaugh said he did not “personally” handle the nomination of Judge William Pryor, who currently sits on the 11th Circuit Court of Appeals (which covers Alabama, Georgia, and Florida).

Kavanaugh, who worked in Bush’s White House counsel office in the early 2000s, distanced himself from Pryor’s nomination in 2004, saying during his own confirmation hearing, “No, I was not involved in handling his nomination.”

Between 2002 and 2003, Kavanaugh is included in several emails referencing the Pryor nomination. In one exchange between Kavanaugh and White House aide Kyle Sampson, Kavanaugh is asked: “How did the Pryor interview go?” He responded, “Call me.” In another email chain, Kavanaugh is included in a conversation about a conference call to “coordinate plans and efforts” around Pryor.

There’s also the case of the improperly obtained Democratic files, detailing strategies for opposing Bush’s judicial nominees in the 2000s, which a Republican Senate aide circulated with White House staff.

In 2004, Kavanaugh claimed that he had never seen “any documents that appeared ... to have been drafted or prepared by Democratic staff members of the Senate Judiciary Committee.” But an email between the Republican staffer and Kavanaugh showed him receiving some of the documents.

Sen. John Kennedy (R-LA) asked Kavanaugh directly: “Are Ramirez’s allegations about you true?”

Kavanaugh responded with a little slithery lawyer speak, “None of the witnesses in the room support that. If that had happened, that would have been the talk of campus in our freshman dorm.” And apparently interviewing his dorm-mates is not worth doing.

PaulS
09-17-2019, 01:32 PM
The stuff that runs through his mind...��
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The lack of stuff what runs through your mind:rude:

Jim in CT
09-17-2019, 01:34 PM
Even the NYTimes makes mistakes. Difference is a credible outlet corrects the record as they did.

just a simple, honest mistake, no political motivations behind it.

how many mistakes have they made, which portray liberals
as predators?
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Jim in CT
09-17-2019, 01:35 PM
So if someone doesn't know something happened to them, in your mind it is ok to do something to them?

Raping a handicapped or someone not cognizant is ok in your book?

who is saying that’s what happened here? again, why didn’t Yale ( has its own police), or the CT police, look into this? ask them.
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Got Stripers
09-17-2019, 01:40 PM
We have a sexual predator in the White House it shouldn’t surprise anyone the FBI’s investigation was limited in time and scope.
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Pete F.
09-17-2019, 01:43 PM
who is saying that’s what happened here? again, why didn’t Yale ( has its own police), or the CT police, look into this? ask them.
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Until recently colleges did not ever admit that their students or employees did any wrong and covered it up. If anything was done about it, there was a NDA involved.
In the past few years, it has started to change but it is not over yet.
Ask Gym Jordan.

Jim in CT
09-17-2019, 01:46 PM
Until recently colleges did not ever admit that their students or employees did any wrong and covered it up. If anything was done about it, there was a NDA involved.
In the past few years, it has started to change but it is not over yet.
Ask Gym Jordan.

also recently, democrats abandoned any sense of decency and decided that winning is all that matters and that there’s no limit to how low they’ll go. ask clarence thomas. or robert bork.
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PaulS
09-17-2019, 01:52 PM
who is saying that’s what happened here? again, why didn’t Yale ( has its own police), or the CT police, look into this? ask them.
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People are saying she (and he) were wasted.

PaulS
09-17-2019, 01:55 PM
also recently, democrats abandoned any sense of decency and decided that winning is all that matters and that there’s no limit to how low they’ll go. ask clarence thomas. or robert bork.
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And yet the Republican's elected a predator Pres. and he has 90% approval rating who admitted to sexual assault. What # of Alabamians voted for a child molester?

Why didn't all the Repubs. vote for Bork? Thomas had credible allegations of assault against him but the Repubs didn't care -(can you see a pattern here).

Get over your hate.

scottw
09-17-2019, 02:04 PM
People are saying she (and he) were wasted.

I’m starting to think you are wasted
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Pete F.
09-17-2019, 02:06 PM
also recently, democrats abandoned any sense of decency and decided that winning is all that matters and that there’s no limit to how low they’ll go. ask clarence thomas. or robert bork.
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Perhaps you could ask Anita Hill and Archibald Cox.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4oPnd911FcM

This one is eerily similar to current events

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVENmlvvHYY

scottw
09-17-2019, 02:06 PM
Looks like your that low despicable person you ranted about earlier.

You shouldn’t emphasize your horrible spelling
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PaulS
09-17-2019, 02:12 PM
You shouldn’t emphasize your horrible spelling
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It gives the petty folks here an opportunity to .... I guess show their pettiness?

scottw
09-17-2019, 02:14 PM
Get over your hate.



how come when you get all angry you accuse others of hate?:bl:

scottw
09-17-2019, 02:14 PM
It gives the petty folks here an opportunity to .... I guess show their pettiness?

that's petty snarky...:heybaby:

just saying...if you italicize a word for emphasis...you should probably try to spell it correctly or use the right word if you want people to take you seriously...I'm providing a public service..it's free...I thought you guys liked free services?

PaulS
09-17-2019, 02:20 PM
how come when you get all angry you accuse others of hate?:bl:

Why is that angry?

I don't usually bitch about all Republicans like you and Jim do.

PaulS
09-17-2019, 02:21 PM
that's petty snarky...:heybaby:

just saying...if you italicize a word for emphasis...you should probably try to spell it correctly or use the right word if you want people to take you seriously...I'm providing a public service..it's free...I thought you guys liked free services?

I did it (and have in the past) so when the petty people here point it out I can show them it was done just so they can show how miserable they are.

What free services do us guys like and who is us guys?

wdmso
09-17-2019, 02:22 PM
and if my aunt had wheels, she’d be a tea cart. the gop doesn’t resort to these smear tactics with democratic scotus nominees. kagan and sotomayor got confirmed, each got plenty of gop votes.
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no they lie cheat suppress votes stonewall congress refuse to bring anything to the senate to debate unless they already know trump will pass it... Jim your funny on how ethical you think your side is :kewl:

Jim in CT
09-17-2019, 02:44 PM
People are saying she (and he) were wasted.

who?

also, the NYT piece says that all the kids were at a naked party, and that someone else thrust kavanaugh’s penis into her hand.

If that happened, how is that kavanaughs fault? seems like
he’s a victim too.

i could be wrong, but i’m 95% certain that’s what it said, someone else thrust it into her hand.
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PaulS
09-17-2019, 02:53 PM
who?

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the person who claimed he saw it. Something like Steir. He is now a DC lawyer I believe

Jim in CT
09-17-2019, 03:09 PM
the person who claimed he saw it. Something like Steir. He is now a DC lawyer I believe

and who is he exactly? you left out one additional thing we know
about him. Right?

and if the “it” he saw ( and this is an ‘if’), is that someone else thrust kavanaughs penis toward this girl, then kavanaugh is also a victim. right?

these yalies have nothing better to do, than set up nudist colonies on campus?
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Pete F.
09-17-2019, 03:09 PM
who?

also, the NYT piece says that all the kids were at a naked party, and that someone else thrust kavanaugh’s penis into her hand.

If that happened, how is that kavanaughs fault? seems like
he’s a victim too.

i could be wrong, but i’m 95% certain that’s what it said, someone else thrust it into her hand.
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Just how would that work?
Does Kavanaugh have a detachable penis? :gf:
Must be a Trumplican thing.

Jim in CT
09-17-2019, 03:12 PM
Just how would that work?
Does Kavanaugh have a detachable penis? :gf:
Must be a Trumplican thing.

they could have pushed him from behind, or grabbed it and pulled it forward, Columbo. nothing can be moved from where it currently is, u less it’s detachable?
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Jim in CT
09-17-2019, 03:15 PM
Just how would that work?
Does Kavanaugh have a detachable penis? :gf:
Must be a Trumplican thing.

i just read the NYT report, the accuser says that friends pushed kavanaughs penis into her hand. so if this happened, he's a victim too.

make that wrong.
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Jim in CT
09-17-2019, 03:23 PM
And yet the Republican's elected a predator Pres. and he has 90% approval rating who admitted to sexual assault. What # of Alabamians voted for a child molester?

Why didn't all the Repubs. vote for Bork? Thomas had credible allegations of assault against him but the Repubs didn't care -(can you see a pattern here).

Get over your hate.

how come it’s only hateful when i post, not you?

funny how his credible accuser chose to follow him from job to job.
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nightfighter
09-17-2019, 04:54 PM
Everyone in Washington is scum. And it is a result of where they have chosen to spend their professional lives in their working lives, making decisions related to their career advancement, NOT the result of how they spent their social time at college.… I am not about to condone rape, assault, or other morally wrong predation, but... it is the onus of a victim to come forward and state an 'attack' took place, is it not? Given the widespread coverage of the MeToo movement, one would have to think that any woman (or man) who had long ago been the victim of such an attack, that they would have used that platform to come forward...
I was in a large, rowdy, jock fraternity at UMass in the late 70s. Hell, I ended up president of the thing.... So I saw plenty of chit. And dealt with the PD when necessary... The MeToo movement had me racking my memory bank, believe me. Drinking blurs the lines. But heavy alcohol consumption was the norm of the time. This was discussed at a recent funeral of a fraternity brother that was heavily attended by my house and the widow's sorority sisters. We partied and played HARD... But that was not what has made us who we are or have become professionally. And that is what concerns me more when considering a candidate for POTUS, Senate, Congress, SCOTUS or an employee. Not how they partied in college...

detbuch
09-17-2019, 05:25 PM
how come it’s only hateful when i post, not you?

funny how his credible accuser chose to follow him from job to job.
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I didn't see any hate in what you said. He just likes to throw that word around, whether it applies or not. Like the left throws the word "racism" around, usually when it doesn't apply. "Hate" and "racism" are some of the most devastating things you can be accused of. That's why they do it. And it is a despicable thing to do.

PaulS
09-17-2019, 05:26 PM
how come it’s only hateful when i post, not you?

funny how his credible accuser chose to follow him from job to job.
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I only respond to your hateful posts as I think it's despicable
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detbuch
09-17-2019, 05:26 PM
Everyone in Washington is scum. And it is a result of where they have chosen to spend their professional lives in their working lives, making decisions related to their career advancement, NOT the result of how they spent their social time at college.… I am not about to condone rape, assault, or other morally wrong predation, but... it is the onus of a victim to come forward and state an 'attack' took place, is it not? Given the widespread coverage of the MeToo movement, one would have to think that any woman (or man) who had long ago been the victim of such an attack, that they would have used that platform to come forward...
I was in a large, rowdy, jock fraternity at UMass in the late 70s. Hell, I ended up president of the thing.... So I saw plenty of chit. And dealt with the PD when necessary... The MeToo movement had me racking my memory bank, believe me. Drinking blurs the lines. But heavy alcohol consumption was the norm of the time. This was discussed at a recent funeral of a fraternity brother that was heavily attended by my house and the widow's sorority sisters. We partied and played HARD... But that was not what has made us who we are or have become professionally. And that is what concerns me more when considering a candidate for POTUS, Senate, Congress, SCOTUS or an employee. Not how they partied in college...

Very well said.

PaulS
09-17-2019, 05:28 PM
i just read the NYT report, the accuser says that friends pushed kavanaughs penis into her hand. so if this happened, he's a victim too.

make that wrong.
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Then let's have an honest thorough investigation and what evidence shows comes out. Make that wrong.
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spence
09-17-2019, 05:31 PM
But that was not what has made us who we are or have become professionally. And that is what concerns me more when considering a candidate for POTUS, Senate, Congress, SCOTUS or an employee. Not how they partied in college...
I would generally agree. That being said if Kavanaugh responded that way he might have gotten a pass, instead he denied most of everything and made up stories to cover his college days that he documented.

What's even crazier is that he blamed the entire think on a Clinton conspiracy when he was a participant in the Clinton conspiracy era of the 1990s.

I don't want to hang anyone for behavior in college if it's not provable but his performance during the hearings was below par for SCOTUS.

detbuch
09-17-2019, 05:34 PM
I only respond to your hateful posts as I think it's despicable
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Yes, I agree that loosely and incorrectly responding with accusations of "hate" is despicable.

Got Stripers
09-17-2019, 05:34 PM
No offense Ross and having been a U-Mass Amherst SAE fraternity member in the 70’s, I hear you. However I was also married to a women who was so emotionally f’ed up by a similar sexual predator in her high school senior year, nobody in her family, police or even myself learned about it until I was married for ten years. Sh*t like that will to some make those memories get buried as that is how they need to deal. The witnesses are IMHO far more important as they were not emotionally impaired by the incident and all should have been interviewed, this is a LIFE long appointment not a two or four year term.
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Nebe
09-17-2019, 05:36 PM
The thing that discredits this guy to me is that he is not politically neutral. Judges need to remain neutral so that they can follow the word of the law in black and white. This guy to me is a puppet. Nothing more. I’m sure after a few years we can review his decisions of things and see what I mean.
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PaulS
09-17-2019, 05:38 PM
Yes, I agree that loosely and incorrectly responding with accusations of "hate" is despicable.

Good one
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detbuch
09-17-2019, 05:40 PM
I would generally agree. That being said if Kavanaugh responded that way he might have gotten a pass, instead he denied most of everything and made up stories to cover his college days that he documented.

Did he document the sexual assault he was accused of?

I don't want to hang anyone for behavior in college if it's not provable but his performance during the hearings was below par for SCOTUS.

That's debatable. It seems that you do want to hang him. Maybe you believe a subpar performance (I thought he performed well) merits hanging.

detbuch
09-17-2019, 05:49 PM
The thing that discredits this guy to me is that he is not politically neutral. Judges need to remain neutral so that they can follow the word of the law in black and white. This guy to me is a puppet. Nothing more. I’m sure after a few years we can review his decisions of things and see what I mean.
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Actually, he is a disappointment to constitutional "conservatives." He is proving to be more of a "centrist" than a textualist.

Just curious, which SCOTUS Judges do you consider politically neutral?

Sea Dangles
09-17-2019, 05:50 PM
The thing that discredits this guy to me is that he is not politically neutral. Judges need to remain neutral so that they can follow the word of the law in black and white. This guy to me is a puppet. Nothing more. I’m sure after a few years we can review his decisions of things and see what I mean.
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He has already demonstrated otherwise.
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Jim in CT
09-17-2019, 06:07 PM
I didn't see any hate in what you said. He just likes to throw that word around, whether it applies or not. Like the left throws the word "racism" around, usually when it doesn't apply. "Hate" and "racism" are some of the most devastating things you can be accused of. That's why they do it. And it is a despicable thing to do.

i know. the liberal myth of the angry white male. in their minds, it’s not possible to have a principled disagreement with them. it must be based on some kind of character flaw.
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PaulS
09-17-2019, 06:11 PM
i know. the liberal myth of the angry white male. in their minds, it’s not possible to have a principled disagreement with them. it must be based on some kind of character flaw.
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How is it a liberal myth when you constantly claim all liberals do this and all liberals do that? So you can't have a disagreement without insulting everybody who has the opposing viewpoint. look at Post 31. That is typical of your posting Style
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Jim in CT
09-17-2019, 06:16 PM
Then let's have an honest thorough investigation and what evidence shows comes out. Make thate wrong.
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investigate what? a 25 year old
party where most of the kids were drunk, where the victim is t saying anything happened, and where one accuser who just happems
to be well connected to the Clintons, says Kavanaugh was pushed. no one is saying kavanaugh did anything.

and the democrats running for president aren’t asking for an investigation. they’re saying kavanaugh should be impeached. you’d think a prosecutor and a harvard law professor would have a cursory understanding of
jurisprudence. Nope.
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Jim in CT
09-17-2019, 06:22 PM
No offense Ross and having been a U-Mass Amherst SAE fraternity member in the 70’s, I hear you. However I was also married to a women who was so emotionally f’ed up by a similar sexual predator in her high school senior year, nobody in her family, police or even myself learned about it until I was married for ten years. Sh*t like that will to some make those memories get buried as that is how they need to deal. The witnesses are IMHO far more important as they were not emotionally impaired by the incident and all should have been interviewed, this is a LIFE long appointment not a two or four year term.
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how traumatized can one be, if one chooses to go to a naked party with drunk college kids, and someone’s private’s touch your hand. i’m sorry, thus isnt from the screenplay of The Accused. how many times
did you go to an alcohol fueled party in college and not have physical contact with anyone there. she’s lucky she didn’t get gang raped putting herself in that idiotic situation. there might have been a Kennedy there, in which case she’d be swimming with the fishes.
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Jim in CT
09-17-2019, 06:24 PM
Judges need to remain neutral so that they can follow the word of the law in black and white.
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that is a spectacular argument in favor of judges that only conservatives appoint. put personal politics aside
and do what the constitution says, whether you happen to like it or
not.

using your litmus rest, sotomayor could never have gotten confirmed, she was routinely overturned
by higher judges.
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Jim in CT
09-17-2019, 06:25 PM
Actually, he is a disappointment to constitutional "conservatives." He is proving to be more of a "centrist" than a textualist.

Just curious, which SCOTUS Judges do you consider politically neutral?

ginsberg
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Nebe
09-17-2019, 07:15 PM
ginsberg
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Yeah right.
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Jim in CT
09-17-2019, 07:17 PM
also
worth noting that the “credible witness” to this event, also isnt speaking, and didn’t talk to the NYT. they spoke to friends of his, who claim he told them that he witnessed this.

so it’s a second hand account, that at a drunken
naked party 25 years ago, that someone pushed kavanaughs private’s into a woman’s hand, and the woman won’t corroborate.

this is an absolute joke.
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scottw
09-18-2019, 04:44 AM
Does Kavanaugh have a detachable penis?



maybe

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQBPgJQhQHc

scottw
09-18-2019, 05:13 AM
those dirty, dirty democrats will stop at nothing...


Jan Crawford‏
Verified account
@JanCBS

We report tonight the real bombshell: Christine Ford’s close HS friend (who Ford says was at the party when Kavanaugh allegedly assaulted her) said Ford’s story is not believable and told the FBI Ford’s allies pressured her, threatened her with a smear campaign to say otherwise.

Keyser told the writers, “I was told behind the scenes that certain things could spread about me if I didn’t comply,”

Not only did Christine Blasey Ford’s key witness and friend — Leland Keyser — state that she didn’t recall the party where Ford claimed she was assaulted, she also says she doesn’t remember “any others like it.”

“I just really didn’t have confidence in the story.”

scottw
09-18-2019, 05:22 AM
his performance during the hearings was below par for SCOTUS.



I'm glad he defended himself and stood up to the dirty democrats who were trying desperately to destroy him in the most despicable ways imaginable.....

Jim in CT
09-18-2019, 05:49 AM
those dirty, dirty democrats will stop at nothing...


Jan Crawford‏
Verified account
@JanCBS

We report tonight the real bombshell: Christine Ford’s close HS friend (who Ford says was at the party when Kavanaugh allegedly assaulted her) said Ford’s story is not believable and told the FBI Ford’s allies pressured her, threatened her with a smear campaign to say otherwise.

Keyser told the writers, “I was told behind the scenes that certain things could spread about me if I didn’t comply,”

Not only did Christine Blasey Ford’s key witness and friend — Leland Keyser — state that she didn’t recall the party where Ford claimed she was assaulted, she also says she doesn’t remember “any others like it.”

“I just really didn’t have confidence in the story.”

keyser shared texts with the fbi, from kavanaugh opponents who threatened to smear the single mom, claiming she was a druggie, if she didn’t back the allegations against kavanaugh.

this is part tds, part warning to any other conservative judges out there to think twice about trying for the supreme court, because they’ll
never stop trying to sink their teeth into you.

funny thing, is kavanaugh has shown to be less
conservative than many would like.
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Pete F.
09-18-2019, 08:17 AM
keyser shared texts with the fbi, from kavanaugh opponents who threatened to smear the single mom, claiming she was a druggie, if she didn’t back the allegations against kavanaugh.

this is part tds, part warning to any other conservative judges out there to think twice about trying for the supreme court, because they’ll
never stop trying to sink their teeth into you.

funny thing, is kavanaugh has shown to be less
conservative than many would like.
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And whose supporters issued death threats to Ford, that she shared with the FBI?
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detbuch
09-18-2019, 08:59 AM
And whose supporters issued death threats to Ford, that she shared with the FBI?
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Is this supposed to nullify what Keyser said?

Jim in CT
09-18-2019, 09:13 AM
And whose supporters issued death threats to Ford, that she shared with the FBI?
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you got me. because right up until
this moment, i had always said that all republicans are wonderful
people. i never said otherwise. nope.

Paul, our politics has gotten much uglier since the left turned on Bush. It got worse with Obama, and much worse with Trump, we’ve never seen anything like this.
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Jim in CT
09-18-2019, 09:17 AM
Is this supposed to nullify what Keyser said?

no, it’s whataboutism. which for reasons i don’t get, is valid when liberals do it, but not when conservatives do it.
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Jim in CT
09-18-2019, 09:18 AM
The latest kavanaugh claims are a joke, and the NYT made fools of themselves for editing the story the way they did. journalism doesn’t get much more yellow than that.
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Pete F.
09-18-2019, 09:43 AM
Is this supposed to nullify what Keyser said?

No, but the converse does not make Keyser's memory or lack thereof true or false.

Did Kavanaugh repeatedly lie to Congress is the question?

The Supreme Court nominee has been adamant that while he enjoys beer and perhaps at time drank “too many,” it was never to the point of passing out, blacking out, or even causing slight lapses in memory.

He grew “belligerent and aggressive” as a drunk, according to Chad Ludington, one of Kavanaugh’s former classmates.

Liz Swisher, another former Yale classmate “There’s no problem with drinking beer in college. The problem is lying about it.”

In 2004, Kavanaugh said he did not “personally” handle the nomination of Judge William Pryor, who currently sits on the 11th Circuit Court of Appeals (which covers Alabama, Georgia, and Florida).

Kavanaugh, who worked in Bush’s White House counsel office in the early 2000s, distanced himself from Pryor’s nomination in 2004, saying during his own confirmation hearing, “No, I was not involved in handling his nomination.”

Between 2002 and 2003, Kavanaugh is included in several emails referencing the Pryor nomination. In one exchange between Kavanaugh and White House aide Kyle Sampson, Kavanaugh is asked: “How did the Pryor interview go?” He responded, “Call me.” In another email chain, Kavanaugh is included in a conversation about a conference call to “coordinate plans and efforts” around Pryor.

There’s also the case of the improperly obtained Democratic files, detailing strategies for opposing Bush’s judicial nominees in the 2000s, which a Republican Senate aide circulated with White House staff.

In 2004, Kavanaugh claimed that he had never seen “any documents that appeared ... to have been drafted or prepared by Democratic staff members of the Senate Judiciary Committee.” But an email between the Republican staffer and Kavanaugh showed him receiving some of the documents.

Sen. John Kennedy (R-LA) asked Kavanaugh directly: “Are Ramirez’s allegations about you true?”

Kavanaugh responded with a little slithery lawyer speak, “None of the witnesses in the room support that. If that had happened, that would have been the talk of campus in our freshman dorm.” And apparently interviewing his dorm-mates is not worth doing.

scottw
09-18-2019, 10:59 AM
No, but the converse does not make Keyser's memory or lack thereof true or false.



this is hilarious

Jim in CT
09-18-2019, 11:23 AM
this is hilarious

i notice he didn’t comment on the threats Keyser received.

“hotel.”
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Pete F.
09-18-2019, 01:05 PM
i notice he didn’t comment on the threats Keyser received.

“hotel.”
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What was Keyser threatened with to change her story?
Would that be impossible for the people who employed Cohen, Stone and Roy Cohn. Paid the Enquirer to buy and kill stories.
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Pete F.
09-18-2019, 01:08 PM
The larger problem is that it appears Kavanaugh lied to Congress.
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detbuch
09-18-2019, 01:33 PM
The larger problem is that it appears Kavanaugh lied to Congress.


Yeah, that "appears" thing can be a large problem and can lead to a very expensive, waste of precious congressional time spent on things like Russian collusion.

It's ironic to me that lying to Congress is a crime while these reprobates that occupy those congressional seats lie to us in order to get elected, and when they win, they continue to lie to us nearly every time they speak politically. And, if we support them, we understand and accept why they have to lie, just so long as they do it in a skillful, polished, sophisticated manner.

scottw
09-18-2019, 02:38 PM
What was Keyser threatened with to change her story?

The larger problem is that it appears Kavanaugh lied to Congress.

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ooooh Pete....

Jim in CT
09-18-2019, 03:18 PM
What was Keyser threatened with to change her story?
Would that be impossible for the people who employed Cohen, Stone and Roy Cohn. Paid the Enquirer to buy and kill stories.
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they threatened to go on social media and smear her, tell people
she was a druggie.
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Pete F.
09-19-2019, 08:10 AM
What was Keyser threatened with to change her story?
Would that be impossible for the people who employed Cohen, Stone and Roy Cohn. Paid the Enquirer to buy and kill stories.
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ooooh Pete....

they threatened to go on social media and smear her, tell people
she was a druggie.
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One of you is sitting in the low chair.

Jim in CT
09-19-2019, 08:15 AM
One of you is sitting in the low chair.

no idea what that means. you asked what she was threatened with, and i answered. if you didn’t care to know the answer, why did you ask?
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Pete F.
09-19-2019, 08:29 AM
no idea what that means. you asked what she was threatened with, and i answered. if you didn’t care to know the answer, why did you ask?
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It went right over your head.

So, who successfully threatened her?

Could it possibly be the person or people who employed Cohen, Stone and Roy Cohn. Paid the Enquirer to buy and kill stories.

Classic Trickster move

scottw
09-19-2019, 10:42 AM
One of you is sitting in the low chair.

Pete...it's time for your treatment....