Hi Republicans.

Long time, no talk. You and I used to do a fair amount of work together. But since the party took a collective hit off of a crack pipe and nominated a morally bankrupt reality show host to be president, I haven’t been around much.

Because if there’s one thing you guys don’t need, it’s help on the PR front. Trump is a communications genius! He’s his own press secretary! Look at all those Twitter followers, amirite?

And yet, I can’t help but think the old comms strategy could use a tune up. So I thought I’d send along a few thoughts:

Stop putting Rudy Giuliani on television. He’s drunk. Or maybe just addled? I don’t know—but it doesn’t matter because he’s going to get you all sent to prison by reading text messages from State Department officials out loud on Laura Ingraham’s show. Go to the zoo. Find an adorable penguin. Put that little guy on instead.

I see you have talking points. Great! Now all you have to do is not send them directly to Nancy Pelosi’s office. Oops. But let’s turn this negative into a positive by using it as an opportunity to come up with talking points that don’t insult the intelligence of wax fruit. Why don’t you try, “What the president did was unquestionably wrong and we apologize for abusing the power of the presidency for his personal political gain. It won’t happen again.” That’s not hard, is it?

It’s great that you’re going on offense against Joe and Hunter Biden, that’s the right move. Republicans are the anti-corruption party, right?
We cannot have an elected official occupying one of the highest offices in the land while simultaneously having his children profit from his office.
So maybe—just spitballing here—you should have Ivanka, Jared, Eric, and Don Jr. shut down their White House money-printing machine for a couple of months so people forget that this president is the least credible person in the world to make that argument about the Bidens.

Buy Jim Jordan a suit jacket. I know you’re running low on people willing to publicly debase themselves for the party, but television is a visual medium. And if Jordan is going to let Jake Tapper put him in a figure-four leg lock on national TV, he should at least look like his wife hasn’t kicked him out of the house and he’s sleeping on his office couch.

Bench Kevin McCarthy altogether. He may have many gifts as a political leader, but he is really not good at going on TV.

Someone tell Lindsey Graham that his “hearsay” talking point is a bad hill to die on. The argument that the whistleblower didn’t hear things first hand isn’t exculpatory. It’s actually just another good reason to investigate the whistleblower’s claims and talk to the primary sources.
Evergreen advice: Take Trump’s phone, smash it with a hammer, and then hit any pieces leftover with BleachBit. Whatever it takes to make him to STOP. TWEETING.
Tweeting things like:

Donald J. Trump
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@realDonaldTrump
· 15h
Replying to @realDonaldTrump
....Election, and negate the votes of millions of Evangelicals in the process. They know the only Impeachable offense that President Trump has committed was beating Hillary Clinton in 2016. That’s the unpardonable sin for which the Democrats will never forgive him.....


Donald J. Trump
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@realDonaldTrump
....If the Democrats are successful in removing the President from office (which they will never be), it will cause a Civil War like fracture in this Nation from which our Country will never heal.” Pastor Robert Jeffress, @FoxNews

60.3K
9:11 PM - Sep 29, 2019

Maybe the MAGAheads like this stuff, but your job is to keep all of the marginal Republican office-holders onboard so that you don’t risk a stampede on the off-chance that some of them decide that they can’t not do the right thing. And tweets like that are only going to push the marginal R’s away from Trump. Witness Illinois Republican Rep. Adam Kinzinger, responding with:

Adam Kinzinger
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@RepKinzinger
I have visited nations ravaged by civil war. @realDonaldTrump I have never imagined such a quote to be repeated by a President. This is beyond repugnant.

Now, I know what you’re thinking: “Hey, this playbook worked for us the first time around with that whole Russia thing. A deft combination of whataboutism, obfuscation, preemptive framing, and misdirection is all we need to pull this off.”

Here’s the problem: Unlike the two-volume, 430-page Mueller report, the whistleblower report is 9 pages long. The central allegation is clear-cut and easy to understand. And it has already been proven true with the release of the call summary between Trump and Ukraine’s president.

You can try to spin the facts and fall back on process-arguments—but the battlespace is much smaller and the tempo is much faster than the Mueller wars. Most people will be able to read the report and anyone who doesn’t can clearly understand what happened: The president was acting like a mafia don by talking about the kind of “help” he could give Ukraine and then asking for “favors.” I mean, even Chris Christie understands that this is a problem: In an attempt to pre-spin all of this before the call summary was released, Christie insisted that it would only be bad for Trump if he said something blatantly extortive. Like, “do me a favor.”

Oops. Again.

Also, the Democrats and the media may be on to you. They’ve seen you run this play before and they’ve made adjustments. And the American people aren’t so sure anymore, either. In fact, a majority of them now back the impeachment inquiry. Including nearly 1-in-4 Republicans.

When it comes to crisis communications there’s a strategy that most professional comms people live by: Tell the truth. Tell it all. Tell it fast.

It’s good advice for most people. But some clients are constitutionally incapable of it. Trump is one of them. Obviously. For him, telling the whole truth, quickly, was never really going to be an option.

Listening to some of you grumbling privately over the last 10 days, I can tell that you are frustrated by the president right now. I understand that frustration. But you shouldn’t be surprised.

On the stump, one of Trump’s favorite bits is to read a poem called “The Snake.” He does this a lot. Here’s one of his performances:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSrOXvoNLwg

If you don’t want to watch it, I’ll just give you the punchline:

I saved you, cried the woman. And you’ve bitten me, heavens why?

You know your bite is poisonous and now I’m going to die.

Oh, shut up, silly woman, said the reptile with a grin.

You knew damn well I was a snake before you took me in.

Trump, of course, tells this story as a warning about the perceived dangers of immigration. Evidently Republicans never understood that it was also about them.

Sarah Longwell
Sarah Longwell is publisher of The Bulwark.
https://thebulwark.com/trumps-pr-meltdown/

i guess if there’s one person who knows what a meltdown is, its you.
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For someone who doesn’t really like Trump you certainly hop to quickly
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i guess if there’s one person who knows what a meltdown is, its you.
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He's not melting down he's piling on :wid:

For someone who doesn’t really like Trump you certainly hop to quickly
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i also don’t like bs. i didn’t like when conservatives said obama was a birther, i don’t like it when liberals say trump is the anti christ.
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i also don’t like bs. i didn’t like when conservatives said obama was a birther, i don’t like it when liberals say trump is the anti christ.
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Sarah Longwell is a liberal, in your dreams.

Here is the WH defense strategy: Since Hillary, Biden, The Pope, and Colonel Sanders have done far worse things in concert with The Deep State, it’s all super cool and totally not illegal because sometimes you got to do a little sinning yourself to expose the real sinners.
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Trump 2020
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They are going to need a bigger clown car, it’s not just a Trump, Barr is off chasing down his bosses conspiracy theories and now Pompeo is caught lying about knowledge of the phone call. Put Moscow Mitch in the trunk because he isn’t much use.
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Trump 2020
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amen brother.

leading up to the 2016 election, i was certain he was going to get creamed, of course i looked like a fool.

i’ll say now that unless biden or
harris is the nominee, and unless something a lot more serious is exposed about him, he wins big.

obama won in 2012, and hilary lost in 2016, in no small part because of black support ( obama had massive amounts, hilary not so
much). i don’t know if i see blacks rallying behind Lie-awatha. and trumps base will be as energized as can be with impeachment.

again, i don’t think the democrats have any clue what matters to people who live between the coasts.
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amen brother.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4dW8seDRRc

I wonder what kind of stupid hats the dummycraps will wear to the impeachment?...or maybe they will all wear the same color or come up with a catchy chant....

can't wait to see what Peto has up his sleeve for Trump's second term

I wonder what kind of stupid hats the dummycraps will wear to the impeachment?...or maybe they will all wear the same color or come up with a catchy chant....


https://i.imgur.com/FWMCPeH_d.jpg
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Trump's job approval is 37% in a new CNBC poll, matching the lowest number this poll has recorded. His net approval is -16, his worst net approval for CNBC.

Trump's approval on the economy is also now underwater: 42% approve, 50% disapprove (-8 net approval, another new low).

https://i.imgur.com/FWMCPeH_d.jpg
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that's perfect

amen brother.


i unless something a lot more serious is exposed about him,

i don’t think the democrats have any clue what matters to people who live between the coasts.
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WOW AMAZING.. how much more do yo need ... ??? AND plz what matters to those in the middle of the country but not THE rest of us on the coast... id love to hear about it
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Trump's job approval is 37% in a new CNBC poll, matching the lowest number this poll has recorded. His net approval is -16, his worst net approval for CNBC.

Trump's approval on the economy is also now underwater: 42% approve, 50% disapprove (-8 net approval, another new low).

oh my yes, the economy is clearly in shambles.
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WOW AMAZING.. how much more do yo need ... ??? AND plz what matters to those in the middle of the country but not THE rest of us on the coast... id love to hear about it
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so you see no cultural divide between the coasts and flyover country? have you seen the map of the 2016 elections, showing which counties were red/blue? look at that map, and then tell us that there’s no difference.

to the extent that anyone in the democratic party is talking about the policies they endorse ( as opposed to bashing trump), those policies include abortion to the moment of birth, open borders, single payer healthcare, reparations, green new deal, free everything, removing as many references to god as possible.

why don’t you post some polls on where americans stand on these issues?
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WOW AMAZING.. how much more do yo need ... ??? AND plz what matters to those in the middle of the country but not THE rest of us on the coast... id love to hear about it
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I said there's a big difference in the values of people on the coasts, versus the middle of the country.

WDMSO scoffed at that.

Behold...county level results from 2016. now tell me I'm wrong, Columbo.

to the extent that anyone in the democratic party is talking about the policies they endorse ( as opposed to bashing trump), those policies include abortion to the moment of birth, open borders, single payer healthcare, reparations, green new deal, free everything, removing as many references to god as possible.
You're behind on your info Jim. Abortion now is until 5 years, the plan is to give all illegal border entries 5 grand and a cheese basket, healthcare will be mandatory, no carbon emissions after 2020 and churches will be converted into reprogramming centers.

I said there's a big difference in the values of people on the coasts, versus the middle of the country.

WDMSO scoffed at that.

Behold...county level results from 2016. now tell me I'm wrong, Columbo.
Go find the purple map Jim.

Trump's job approval is 37% in a new CNBC poll, matching the lowest number this poll has recorded. His net approval is -16, his worst net approval for CNBC.

Trump's approval on the economy is also now underwater: 42% approve, 50% disapprove (-8 net approval, another new low).

it's weird how the msm pounds trump every minute of every day then takes a poll and reports trump has low numbers

to the extent that anyone in the democratic party is talking about the policies they endorse ( as opposed to bashing trump), those policies include abortion to the moment of birth, open borders, single payer healthcare, reparations, green new deal, free everything, removing as many references to god as possible.

why don’t you post some polls on where americans stand on these issues?
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Once again you present your lying argument that seeks to tar all democrats with the most extreme policies. The same can be said of the Trumplicans.

White supremacists identify with the Trumplican Party, as do neo-nazis and Anti Semites.

Trumplicans promote policies and make statements that would make birth control illegal, stop free trade, establish a state religion, kill the climate, keep black people in their place, Mexico will pay for the wall, eliminate coverage for preexisting conditions, windmills give you cancer, increase the deficit, claim rising sea levels are due to the erosion of the white cliffs of Dover and the California coastline, global warming was created by the Chinese, Al Qaeda has camps on the Mexican border, propose a 70% tax on the Patriots so that NFL competition is more fair and equal, eliminate social security, claim God wants women in the kitchen, privatize medicaid, prohibit sex for other than procreation, make yoga pants illegal, reduce voter turnout, claim vaccines cause autism and create government funded religious christian education.

Make that untrue

You're behind on your info Jim. Abortion now is until 5 years, the plan is to give all illegal border entries 5 grand and a cheese basket, healthcare will be mandatory, no carbon emissions after 2020 and churches will be converted into reprogramming centers.

i watched the debates spence, these are the policies endorsed by everyone on that stage except Biden, and you just torpedoed him to impeach (but not remove) trump.

if i’m wrong, tell
me which of those ideas ( wildly popular in FL, NC, and OH) are not really policies that the candidates are endorsing?
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Trump needs a defense against Ukrainegate "that doesn't look like it was put together by a bunch of pissed off pre-schoolers," says ex-WH official. "You can't go around screaming 'fake news' and 'witch hunt' when you yourself put the evidence out there."

i watched the debates spence, these are the policies endorsed by everyone on that stage except Biden, and you just torpedoed him to impeach (but not remove) trump.

if i’m wrong, tell
me which of those ideas ( wildly popular in FL, NC, and OH) are not really policies that the candidates are endorsing?
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I'm not aware of anyone wanting unlimited abortion or totally open borders. Some want Medicare for all, some want to improve the system we have, the Green New Deal wasn't policy it is a direction to start a debate and the war on God is just a rallying cry.

Here you go Jim, while you're following Trump around dazed and confused the honorable folks at the WaPo are helping to illustrate just how stupid and wrong your map is.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/10/01/four-simple-reasons-that-trumps-impeach-this-map-doesnt-make-any-sense/?fbclid=IwAR1dNcpAtrPNjGKP4wXJbOWXeZKn7HV9Wa7mdp6C vpG-M1YLgofXHSQ-QFk

Remember: Three weeks before Khashoggi's murder, the Trump Org’s business partner in Indonesia inked an agreement with a construction firm in which the Saudi government owns a large stake to work on a development that will include Trump-branded elements.

Once again you present your lying argument that seeks to tar all democrats with the most extreme policies. The same can be said of the Trumplicans.

White supremacists identify with the Trumplican Party, as do neo-nazis and Anti Semites.

Trumplicans promote policies and make statements that would make birth control illegal, stop free trade, establish a state religion, kill the climate, keep black people in their place, Mexico will pay for the wall, eliminate coverage for preexisting conditions, windmills give you cancer, increase the deficit, claim rising sea levels are due to the erosion of the white cliffs of Dover and the California coastline, global warming was created by the Chinese, Al Qaeda has camps on the Mexican border, propose a 70% tax on the Patriots so that NFL competition is more fair and equal, eliminate social security, claim God wants women in the kitchen, privatize medicaid, prohibit sex for other than procreation, make yoga pants illegal, reduce voter turnout, claim vaccines cause autism and create government funded religious christian education.

Make that untrue

peto voted republican pre-trump

I'm not aware of anyone wanting unlimited abortion or totally open borders. Some want Medicare for all, some want to improve the system we have, the Green New Deal wasn't policy it is a direction to start a debate and the war on God is just a rallying cry.

you’re not aware of any of them
who support late term abortion? that’s what you’re saying?
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Here you go Jim, while you're following Trump around dazed and confused the honorable folks at the WaPo are helping to illustrate just how stupid and wrong your map is.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/10/01/four-simple-reasons-that-trumps-impeach-this-map-doesnt-make-any-sense/?fbclid=IwAR1dNcpAtrPNjGKP4wXJbOWXeZKn7HV9Wa7mdp6C vpG-M1YLgofXHSQ-QFk

i didn’t get it from trumps tweet. your article was a joke. i know land doesn’t vote. the point i was trying to prove, and which i proved effectively with that map, is that culturally, the coasts are different from middle america. hence obamas bitter clingers comment, he wasn’t talking about the swells
on the Vineyard or in Hollywood.
you’ve sure got me on the ropes!
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President Trump says he wants Rep Adam Schiff D-CA tried for fraud and treason.

Rep Maxine Waters wants Trump "imprisoned & placed in solitary confinement"

i didn’t get it from trumps tweet. your article was a joke. i know land doesn’t vote. the point i was trying to prove, and which i proved effectively with that map, is that culturally, the coasts are different from middle america. hence obamas bitter clingers comment, he wasn’t talking about the swells
on the Vineyard or in Hollywood.
you’ve sure got me on the ropes!
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Jeff’s brain was somewhere different again.
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I said there's a big difference in the values of people on the coasts, versus the middle of the country.

WDMSO scoffed at that.

Behold...county level results from 2016. now tell me I'm wrong, Columbo.

The maps red ok do the math on poupulation they have a minority view but majority in representation per person but thats ok
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you’re not aware of any of them
who support late term abortion? that’s what you’re saying?
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Up to the point of birth? No.

i didn’t get it from trumps tweet. your article was a joke. i know land doesn’t vote. the point i was trying to prove, and which i proved effectively with that map, is that culturally, the coasts are different from middle america. hence obamas bitter clingers comment, he wasn’t talking about the swells
on the Vineyard or in Hollywood.
you’ve sure got me on the ropes!
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It doesn't prove anything, because land can't vote. It has nothing to do with a proximity to salt water, it's mostly about urban versus rural. Additionally your map doesn't show % of blue voters in red counties. It's practically meaningless which is why Trump uses it.

The map is merely symbolic. Trump baits #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&s into hysteria and that is why he refers to it. Mission accomplished once again for our great president.
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The maps red ok do the math on poupulation they have a minority view but majority in representation per person but thats ok
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You are better than this. Sleep off the sour grapes.
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Nixon won 49 states, his map was redder than Trumps.
Electoral votes 520 to 17 for McGovern
States carried 49 he only lost Massachusetts
Popular vote Percentage 60.7% that's the widest of any US presidential election

History repeats

He was gone within weeks after the motion to impeach was sent to the floor of the house.

"I have never been a quitter. To leave office before my term is completed is abhorrent to every instinct in my body. But as president, I must put the interest of America first...Therefore, I shall resign the presidency effective at noon tomorrow."

The current Con-man doesn't have the respect for the Office and the Constitution that Nixon had.

The "Nationalist" currently flying around with Mike Pompeo openly admits they’re on a mission to smear Barack Obama and Trump’s other political enemies.

More than 352k people have registered to vote in Georgia this year, sending voting rolls to record high. 47% of new registrants are minorities, 45% under 30 -

NOW From a GOP Senate staffer: "The Civil War tweet is a tipping point for some, but not all." Says Trump's actions are pushing the GOP toward removal if that vote comes. It boils down to
@senatemajldr
. "If Sen. McConnell votes for removal, then it's over."

WOW AMAZING.. how much more do yo need ... ??? AND plz what matters to those in the middle of the country but not THE rest of us on the coast... id love to hear about it
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That myopic view is exactly the reason you have president Trump.

Do you think New Englanders care about policy affecting agriculture in the Mid West, or Nebraska cares about policy that affects the fishing industry in New England.

Does Texas care about policy affecting the Lumber industry in Washington State.

Every state/area in the country has their own economies based on their local industries.

This is why Hillary lost, because she didn’t care to waste time on the interior of America, didn’t even really acknowledge their concerns and Jim’s map shows that.
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This is why Hillary lost, because she didn’t care to waste time on the interior of America, didn’t even really acknowledge their concerns and Jim’s map shows that.
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Every one of those red counties could have been won by a single vote and the map wouldn't change.

It doesn't prove anything, because land can't vote. It has nothing to do with a proximity to salt water, it's mostly about urban versus rural. Additionally your map doesn't show % of blue voters in red counties. It's practically meaningless which is why Trump uses it.

its not the saltwater spence. it’s the culture of the people
there, which is different from the culture in middle america. the coasts are where a majority of the swells live, people who think that drinking hot toddies with cashmere sweaters tied around their necks is the zenith of civilization, especially if god plays no role.

in flyover country, they view things differently. they view family, religion, guns, and patriotism, differently. disagree all you want, as the inability to recognize that will
not help the democrats in 2020.



thanks for telling me that land doesn’t vote, though.
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Every one of those red counties could have been won by a single vote and the map wouldn't change.

yeah, and i’m sure that’s exactly what happened.

you are an absolute joke.
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The maps red ok do the math on poupulation they have a minority view but majority in representation per person but thats ok
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yes it’s ok with me, because a state is also a sovereign entity with unique needs and interests.

if you don’t like it, like
everything else in the constitution, there’s a mechanism to change it.
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Up to the point of birth? No.

sanders, buttigueg, and oroarke have said it’s the woman’s choice.

warren does everything she can to avoid an answer.

who has come
out against it, besides Gabbard?
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Every one of those red counties could have been won by a single vote and the map wouldn't change.

If the one vote flipped the county to blue, then the map would change. Pretty simple concept

Even though that’s not the case, but believe what you will.
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If the one vote flipped the county to blue, then the map would change. Pretty simple concept

Even though that’s not the case, but believe what you will.
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he has to believe it, the alternative is too much to bear. i can only hope the DNC believes it too. Hilary clearly did, either that or she thought it was based on popular vote.
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sanders, buttigueg, and oroarke have said it’s the woman’s choice.

warren does everything she can to avoid an answer.

who has come
out against it, besides Gabbard?
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Never heard them say explicitly until birth for any reason. The party platform is to support Roe.

I wonder what these child activists claiming their future has been stolen from them by adults think of abortion?

Every one of those red counties could have been won by a single vote and the map wouldn't change.

Poor liberal fool,is your brain elsewhere again?
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Never heard them say explicitly until birth for any reason. The party platform is to support Roe.

they said the choice is the moms, the government should stay out of
it. meaning, they support the right if the moms to abort until
birth.

and why shouldn’t they? if the issue centers around the moms bodily self autonomy, why wouldn’t you support abortion until
birth? it’s still the moms
body. can you explain? it makes zero sense. zip.
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its not the saltwater spence. it’s the culture of the people
there, which is different from the culture in middle america.

in flyover country, they view things differently. they view family, religion, guns, and patriotism, differently.
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You and Republicans are the only 1 selling the 2 America's.. youve bought into a lie that all thats left of America is the wholesome middle america.. you really need to get out more ...
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You and Republicans are the only 1 selling the 2 America's.. youve bought into a lie that all thats left of America is the wholesome middle america.. you really need to get out more ...
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the democrats aren’t selling the
notion of two America’s?

fascinating...

so explain obamas “bitter clingers” comment and hilary’s “deplorables” comment?

i see one america, but we aren’t all the same, there are regional and cultural differences. as your side likes to say ( but the don’t mean), diversity is good.

liberals celebrate diversity of everything, except in ideas.

love the notion that only republicans are divisive.
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they said the choice is the moms, the government should stay out of
it. meaning, they support the right if the moms to abort until
birth.

and why shouldn’t they? if the issue centers around the moms bodily self autonomy, why wouldn’t you support abortion until
birth? it’s still the moms
body. can you explain? it makes zero sense. zip.
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Jim,
Abortions at more than 24 weeks are around 1%
Abortion numbers have been going down consistently
Meanwhile, Infant mortality is worse in the US than any of the G20
Birthweight is decreasing
Average birth cost is over 30K, the highest in the world
You can ask your physician why late term abortions are necessary, he likely can explain the reasons they are performed better than I.
There is far more that can be done for life than trying to legislate medical procedures and reducing the availability of birth control.

But building a moat, filling it with alligators and snakes and shooting border crossers is ok. Just in the legs

Pete, i am aware that most abortions aren’t late term. you guys have a real back for
answering a question no one asked.

Why should any pro choice person object to late term abortion? how does that make any sense?

if you say it’s not a person and the mom has the right to bodily self autonomy ( which is what they all say), why does the right to self autonomy end at some
arbitrary, meaningless point of pregnancy? It’s still the moms body. Where’s the logic?

Any chance you can address the question i’m asking?
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Because it is purely a political question and will be used with a ghastly graphic to attack.
Not in a truthful manner, nobody gleefully pursues abortions or the legislation thereof.
I guarantee that if a politician answers that question, their smiling face will be used in an attack ad with that statement and a picture of a dead baby.

nobody gleefully pursues abortions or the legislation thereof.


Hmmm, I could have sworn NYC lit themselves up in pink lights and big smiles on the legislators faces to celebrate just such legislation.

Pretty ghoulish if you ask me
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Because it is purely a political question and will be used with a ghastly graphic to attack.
Not in a truthful manner, nobody gleefully pursues abortions or the legislation thereof.
I guarantee that if a politician answers that question, their smiling face will be used in an attack ad with that statement and a picture of a dead baby.

another dodge.

it’s not remotely political, it’s logical. if the entire pro choice movement is based on the premise that a woman can do what she wants with her body and that the thing inside her isn’t human, why does that position evaporate suddenly at some random point during pregnancy?

you can’t answer logically obviously, because there isn’t an answer with a speck of logic. you’re also not honest enough to admit that, so you desperately dance around it.
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Watch this, but you won't get a politician to say it for the reasons I put forth previously.

It is a woman's body and her decision, mind your own #^&#^&#^&#^&ing business.

You complain that liberals want to tax soft drinks with the goal of reducing healthcare costs and reducing the obesity of Americans, saying people should have the right to do whatever they want and it doesn't matter if they die.

But you claim the right to control women, their physicians and their decisions.

Hmmm, I could have sworn NYC lit themselves up in pink lights and big smiles on the legislators faces to celebrate just such legislation.

Pretty ghoulish if you ask me
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and i’ve seen planned parenthood celebrate the anniversary of Roe with of all things, birthday cake.
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Watch this, but you won't get a politician to say it for the reasons I p

It is a woman's body and her decision, mind your own #^&#^&#^&#^&ing business.

You complain that liberals want to tax soft drinks with the goal of reducing healthcare costs and reducing the obesity of Americans, saying people should have the right to do whatever they want and it doesn't matter if they die.

But you claim the right to control women, their physicians and their decisions.

i claim nothing here. for the third time, i’m asking why a woman’s right to self autonomy, ends at some point during the pregnancy?

you’re getting a little worked up here. why not just answer the question.

it’s much more logically consistent, to say that the mom has that right throughout, and therefore support abortion until
birth. i don’t agree with that, but i concede the logical consistency.

you cannot win this pete, i literally have all the cards.
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Watch this, but you won't get a politician to say it for the reasons I put forth previously.

It is a woman's body and her decision, mind your own #^&#^&#^&#^&ing business.

You complain that liberals want to tax soft drinks with the goal of reducing healthcare costs and reducing the obesity of Americans, saying people should have the right to do whatever they want and it doesn't matter if they die.

But you claim the right to control women, their physicians and their decisions.

i’m pretty sure that my decision to drink a Big Gulp from 7-11, doesn’t necessarily involve the concurrent slaughter of an unborn baby.
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i claim nothing here. for the third time, i’m asking why a woman’s right to self autonomy, ends at some point during the pregnancy?

you’re getting a little worked up here. why not just answer the question.

it’s much more logically consistent, to say that the mom has that right throughout, and therefore support abortion until
birth. i don’t agree with that, but i concede the logical consistency.

you cannot win this pete, i literally have all the cards.
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Because it is politically suicide to say that because it is purely a political question and will be used with a ghastly graphic to attack.
Not in a truthful manner, nobody gleefully pursues abortions or the legislation thereof, are you that stupid that you cannot see it.

My opinion is still: It is a woman's body and her decision, mind your own #^&#^&#^&#^&ing business.

So, I have answered your question.
Tell me why legislating for public health regarding disease is bad, but legislating for public health regarding reproductive control is acceptable?

How did this get to government intrusion into citizens lives from Trump's PR meltdown?

Because it is politically suicide to say that because it is purely a political question and will be used with a ghastly graphic to attack.
Not in a truthful manner, nobody gleefully pursues abortions or the legislation thereof, are you that stupid that you cannot see it.

My opinion is still: It is a woman's body and her decision, mind your own #^&#^&#^&#^&ing business.

So, I have answered your question.
Tell me why legislating for public health regarding disease is bad, but legislating for public health regarding reproductive control is acceptable?

How did this get to government intrusion into citizens lives from Trump's PR meltdown?

if it’s a women’s rights issue, funny how so many women are opposed to it. are they all self
loathing masochists?

and you you support
abortion until the moment of birth?

not sure how we got here...happy to drop it.
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Funny how’s its a women’s issue , until we have to discuss child support. Then it’s a “It takes two” issue.

What if the mother is pro life and the father is pro choice? Does this absolve him of child support? What if it’s reversed, does that mean he now has no say on whether to keep it or not?

It’s not as cut and dry as it’s her body and she can do what she wants.
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if it’s a women’s rights issue, funny how so many women are opposed to it. are they all self
loathing masochists?

and you you support
abortion until the moment of birth?

not sure how we got here...happy to drop it.
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80% of americans support R vs W in some form

20% want no limit

As far as I'm concerned it's between you and your god or lack thereof, I feel no more guilt about other peoples behavior than I do about black people being brought to this country as slaves.
Perhaps you do

80% of americans support R vs W in some form

20% want no limit

As far as I'm concerned it's between you and your god or lack thereof, I feel no more guilt about other peoples behavior than I do about black people being brought to this country as slaves.
Perhaps you do

i feel no guilt. what i feel, and you don’t, is empathy.
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20% want no limit
I think that's high, the number of people who really want no limits is very low. What you do get though is a political push back effect where people will position themselves based on an opposing force each trying to resist a slippery slope.

I think that's high, the number of people who really want no limits is very low. What you do get though is a political push back effect where people will position themselves based on an opposing force each trying to resist a slippery slope.

it’s not high among the democratic presidential candidates.
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Funny how’s its a women’s issue , until we have to discuss child support. Then it’s a “It takes two” issue.

What if the mother is pro life and the father is pro choice? Does this absolve him of child support? What if it’s reversed, does that mean he now has no say on whether to keep it or not?

It’s not as cut and dry as it’s her body and she can do what she wants.
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What if he raped her?

"In a shocking exchange during a press conference, a reporter directly asked the Finnish president, "What kind of favors has Mr. Trump asked from you?” referencing President Trump's call with the Ukranian president at the center of an impeachment inquiry."

Ouch :jester:

Fake news Pal
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Fake news Pal
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Fake news Pal
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What if he raped her?

Well. if that doesn't settle it, I don't know what does. :rolleyes: