Claim: US President Donald Trump and other Republicans say the rules for complaints made by whistleblowers were changed shortly before an anonymous whistleblower raised concerns about the president's phone call with the leader of Ukraine.

Verdict: The regulations governing whistleblower complaints have not changed. The wording of the form that whistleblowers use to raise concerns was already under review, and was changed after the whistleblower made the complaint about President Trump's phone call.

And how that changes anything i have no idea

oh good, a new vocabulary word:rotf2:

Distraction, deflection, denial, gee wiz who owns that MO?
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Notice the lack of long winded responses from our Trump defenders. But but bidens son...
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your "whistleblower" is a joke at this point

You guys are so predictable, just like Trump mirroring the Fox narrative of the day, it’s repeat, repeat, repeat. I’d bet my savings the house will impeach, that the spineless senators will not hold him accountable, although a few in tight re-election districts might and we will have to live thru one the most nasty campaigns anyone has or will likely ever see again.

Very disturbing our president and the GOP are ok with extorting a foreign power to gain an advantage over a political rival and that he would further reach out to our biggest global threat in China to do the same. If you don’t think Trump getting into a situation where he owes Ukraine, China or Russia a favor puts our national security at risk your a fool. No need to respond, I get it, I know the narrative, the whataboutism campaign by Trump is the new rallying cry echoed in here.
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Hey doofus, you are the only one here screaming whataboutism.
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You guys are so predictable, just like Trump mirroring the Fox narrative of the day, it’s repeat, repeat, repeat.

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this is a lie

Very disturbing our president and the GOP are ok with extorting a foreign power to gain an advantage over a political rival and that he would further reach out to our biggest global threat in China to do the same. If you don’t think Trump getting into a situation where he owes Ukraine, China or Russia a favor puts our national security at risk your a fool.
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you keep repeating this stupidity

your "whistleblower" is a joke at this point
It's amusing how your responses are getting more desperate. Now you have two whistleblowers and soon to be three. Evidence is increasingly corroborating the accusations.

Keep beating the drum Jeff
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It's amusing how your responses are getting more desperate. Now you have two whistleblowers and soon to be three. Evidence is increasingly corroborating the accusations.

just like the Kavanaugh hearings....weird

just like the Kavanaugh hearings....weird
Yea, it’s just like that :doh:
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You guys are so predictable,

So are you guys. Is that bad?

just like Trump mirroring the Fox narrative of the day, it’s repeat, repeat, repeat.

But it's OK for you guys to repeat, repeat, repeat? Is that bad?

I’d bet my savings the house will impeach,

The whole impeachment thing does resemble a crapshoot. Put your money on where the numbers fall.

that the spineless senators will not hold him accountable, although a few in tight re-election districts might

Wow . . . it's spineless to hold on to your convictions in the face of a constant media barrage . . .

and we will have to live thru one the most nasty campaigns anyone has or will likely ever see again.

And, of course, only one side will be nasty. Right.

Very disturbing our president and the GOP are ok with extorting

It's amazing that anyone would think that extortion in our political world is disturbing. It goes on all the time. ALL the time. Heck, pols even have to extort the public for votes, in one of the many ways, by promising the voters stuff we can't even afford, and which they shouldn't even if we could.

Oh well . . . I guess it's just a matter of how we extort, er, distort, language. In one instance call something extortion, in another calling it just politics . . . oh wait . . . they are kind of the same thing.

I suppose we could call all foreign agreements extortion in the end. So I would think that "extorting" a foreign power to help clear up corruption would be a good thing.

a foreign power to gain an advantage over a political rival

I don't think Trump thinks he needs help beating Biden, nor any other of the Dem candidates. I think he is justifiably pissed off at the corrupt attempt to bring him down from the very beginning of his presidency, even before he had a chance to make any policy or "extort" a foreign power. I think he justifiably believes that what was attempted to do to him strongly indicates that there is a corrupt, politically driven agenda in the chasms of our political system and those running it. And whether out of vengeance, or presidential duty, or both, he feels that embedded corruption must be exposed and eradicated. And a lot of us feel the same way. That's why there are the Horowitz, and Durham, and DOJ investigations going on now. And what you call "extortion" is a request to get help in those investigations from foreign powers who may have direct evidence of that corruption. And he has the legitimate power to do so, whatever negative label you wish to attach to it.

and that he would further reach out to our biggest global threat in China to do the same.

This is laughable. He is doing to China what no other President has come close to doing. China has become our biggest global threat because our past administrations stood aside and let it happen, before our eyes. It raped us and is expanding that rape globally. And we let it happen.

So now we're concerned about its threat?!! And Trump is the only one actually trying to do something about it at this 11th hour?

Trump is legally asking for assistance in corruption investigations in which China has related information. It is obligated by agreement to provide that help.

Of course, China does not live up to agreements or obligations. So it may well not cooperate and just wait it out hoping Trump will not get re-elected so the tariff stuff will go away and it can get back to its unimpeded march to global dominance.

Or maybe China thinks it's being "extorted," So it may cooperate in hopes that it will help to abate the trade war.

If you don’t think Trump getting into a situation where he owes Ukraine, China or Russia a favor puts our national security at risk your a fool. No need to respond, I get it, I know the narrative, the whataboutism campaign by Trump is the new rallying cry echoed in here.


I don't think he "owes" those countries anything. Nor that asking them to do what they are legally obligated to do will put him in a position to owe them anything other than being beholden to legally cooperate with them when and if they ask for legally binding assistance.

It's amusing how your responses are getting more desperately. Now you have two whistleblowers and soon to be three. Evidence is increasingly corroborating the accusations.

Hey unless you have tape with Trump saying "I want to offer a quid pro quo", it didn't happen snowflake.
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Hey unless you have tape with Trump saying "I want to offer a quid pro quo", it didn't happen snowflake.
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That’s pretty much what he said!
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Hey unless you have tape with Trump saying "I want to offer a quid pro quo", it didn't happen snowflake.
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snowflakes will keep making s&*t up to continue their never ending tantrum of discontent

snowflakes will keep making s&*t up to continue their never ending tantrum of discontent
Don’t have to make stuff up with Trump, it’s right out in the open :jester:
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Don’t have to make stuff up with Trump, it’s right out in the open :jester:
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you don’t have to make it up, you do have to over react hysterically.
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I heard the dummycraps are printing lots of "IMPEACH THE MOTHER%^$#ER" tee shirts and hats for the hearings

I heard the dummycraps are printing lots of "IMPEACH THE MOTHER%^$#ER" tee shirts and hats for the hearings

he deserves to be impeached, after all, he really humiliated the liberals.
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he deserves to be impeached, after all, he really humiliated the liberals.
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wait till he wins again...Oh Boy!

I don't think he "owes" those countries anything. Nor that asking them to do what they are legally obligated to do will put him in a position to owe them anything other than being beholden to legally cooperate with them when and if they ask for legally binding assistance.

I did say a response wasn’t needed, heard it all before, but you love to pontificate!
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Trump is losing it today
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Hey unless you have tape with Trump saying "I want to offer a quid pro quo", it didn't happen snowflake.
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He would, obviously, be joking ask Marco Rubio
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he deserves to be impeached, after all, he really humiliated the liberals.
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Seems like the Republicans will re-elect him as it allows there inner summiness to come out
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He would, obviously, be joking ask Marco Rubio
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With punctuation like this I find it extremely unlikely that you served on a school board. More lies or exaggerations is my guess.
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Seems like the Republicans will re-elect him as it allows there inner summiness to come out
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you can never be too summie

you can never be too summie

As if we needed that proof.
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you can never be too summie

You need to be mindful to keep it in check though, you don’t want your friends and family to suffer from your addition
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you love to pontificate!


Check mirror.

interesting...Colluding with Democrats hmmmmmm......where is Feinstein?

The anti-Trump whistleblower whose allegations against President Donald Trump sent Congress into an impeachment frenzy concealed his interactions with House Democrats from the Intelligence Community Inspector General (ICIG) and failed to disclose them as required.

An official confirms the whistleblower failed to disclose prior contacts with House Democrats regarding the allegations of his August 12 complaint. The box in Part 3, Question 1 of the form regarding contacts with Congress or congressional committees was unchecked and left blank. The dates of those contacts were also not disclosed as required. And the specific members and committees that were contacted were likewise not disclosed in the section requiring that information.

analysis finds Trump's use of heated phrases including "lamestream media," "bull#^&#^&#^&#^&," "coup," "treason," "enemy of the people" and "corrupt media" jumped considerably beginning in March of this year. October is on pace to set a record.

Lies mean more to the Trump supporter then written word or spoken words . Its odd .. and trump supporters are still under impression we are only here because of hate for Trump. And he has an R next to his name . Thats their simplicity showing. Because they believe he has done nothing wrong ... no court no law nothing will sway them from their allegiance to Him. And they support his Alliances with china Ukraine and Russia for assistance on findind dirt on his political rival clearly comes 2nd to having allegiance to the People and country and Form of Goverment which has inspired the world. And they live in it.

And to think these same people think Obama did more damage to the American image in the World .. and Some how Trump has carried us back to the zenith of American influence and world leadership .. need to brush up on their history.. because if correct spelling is the depth of your understand of the world . Its not enough..
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interesting...Colluding with Democrats hmmmmmm......where is Feinstein?

The anti-Trump whistleblower whose allegations against President Donald Trump sent Congress into an impeachment frenzy concealed his interactions with House Democrats from the Intelligence Community Inspector General (ICIG) and failed to disclose them as required.

An official confirms the whistleblower failed to disclose prior contacts with House Democrats regarding the allegations of his August 12 complaint. The box in Part 3, Question 1 of the form regarding contacts with Congress or congressional committees was unchecked and left blank. The dates of those contacts were also not disclosed as required. And the specific members and committees that were contacted were likewise not disclosed in the section requiring that information.

And how does that change Trumps actions..? An. Unchecked box is the new line of defense
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Check mirror.

Oh no sir you are the word count king, on your side of this debate, I’m certainly not on this side.
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Oh no sir you are the word count king, on your side of this debate, I’m certainly not on this side.
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Then who is it Mr. Whistleblower?
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Oh no sir you are the word count king, on your side of this debate, I’m certainly not on this side.

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pontificating has nothing to do with word count

this would be a great example...

"Very disturbing our president and the GOP are ok with extorting a foreign power to gain an advantage over a political rival and that he would further reach out to our biggest global threat in China to do the same. If you don’t think Trump getting into a situation where he owes Ukraine, China or Russia a favor puts our national security at risk your a fool. No need to respond, I get it, I know the narrative, the whataboutism campaign by Trump is the new rallying cry echoed in here." GOAT STRIPPERS

analysis finds Trump's use of heated phrases including "lamestream media," "bull#^&#^&#^&#^&," "coup," "treason," "enemy of the people" and "corrupt media" jumped considerably beginning in March of this year. October is on pace to set a record.

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Oh no, not violations of the dreaded “Heated Phrases” clause of the constitution, next you’ll be telling me there’s been multiple violations of the “ketchup on steak” amendment.
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the fact that there is someone engaged in that "analysis" is, in itself, quite amusing

Oh no, not violations of the dreaded “Heated Phrases” clause of the constitution, next you’ll be telling me there’s been multiple violations of the “ketchup on steak” amendment.
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START THE CLOCK!
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Oh no, not violations of the dreaded “Heated Phrases” clause of the constitution, next you’ll be telling me there’s been multiple violations of the “ketchup on steak” amendment.
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when thats all they have, what does that say about how even they view their policies? Is ANYONE on the left talking about why their policies will result in a better economy than Trumps policies?
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I wonder if Rudy will go to jail?
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I wonder if Rudy will go to jail?
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Thanks for thinking out loud Jeff
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I wonder if Rudy will go to jail?
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He won’t. No one will.
Im certian that DC is so corrupt that there are a lot of senators and congressmen who are concerned this issue doesn’t expand to them and their own family corrupt ties and are worried that if this gets worse they will go down with the ship. On both sides.
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when thats all they have, what does that say about how even they view their policies? Is ANYONE on the left talking about why their policies will result in a better economy than Trumps policies?
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When thats all the have!! Do you ever listen to yourself

Unlike Obama all you had were lies and conspiracy

We clearly have A POTUS who think's the media is the enemy of the people the intelligence community are spys the Dems are attempting a coup. And the speaker of the house is a Traitor amongst othert things

And your in agreement with. Him..
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when thats all they have, what does that say about how even they view their policies? Is ANYONE on the left talking about why their policies will result in a better economy than Trumps policies?
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When thats all the have!! Do you ever listen to yourself

Unlike Obama all you had were lies and conspiracy

We clearly have A POTUS who think's the media is the enemy of the people the intelligence community are spys the Dems are attempting a coup. And the speaker of the house is a Traitor amongst othert things

And your in agreement with. Him.

FYI 2nd intel officer has come forwarded ..

They must be paid actors right?
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the media is the enemy of the people the intelligence community are spys the Dems are attempting a coup. And the speaker of the house is a Traitor amongst othert things

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this is pretty accurate :cheers: I don't know if I'd call pelosi a traitor yet but she's WAY past her expiration date

but she's WAY past her expiration date

She'll live forever, she is well preserved.
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When thats all the have!! Do you ever listen to yourself

Unlike Obama all you had were lies and conspiracy

We clearly have A POTUS who think's the media is the enemy of the people the intelligence community are spys the Dems are attempting a coup. And the speaker of the house is a Traitor amongst othert things

And your in agreement with. Him..
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the media is a disgrace since obama. trumps wording is over the top, but conceptually i agree with him 100%, so do most americans

he’s also right, the dems are attempting a coup, fanatically fixated on undoing a fair election. they MAY ( we will soon see) used
obamas DOJ to do hilary’s bidding, spying on the trump campaign. let’s see what durham says.


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the media is a disgrace since obama. trumps wording is over the top, but conceptually i agree with him 100%, so do most americans

he’s also right, the dems are attempting a coup, fanatically fixated on undoing a fair election. they MAY ( we will soon see) used
obamas DOJ to do hilary’s bidding, spying on the trump campaign. let’s see what durham says.


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Keep toking on the conspiracy theories Jim! You’re helping to make this country an autocracy.
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the media is a disgrace since obama. trumps wording is over the top, but conceptually i agree with him 100%, so do most americans

he’s also right, the dems are attempting a coup, fanatically fixated on undoing a fair election. they MAY ( we will soon see) used
obamas DOJ to do hilary’s bidding, spying on the trump campaign. let’s see what durham says.


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We may see that Jim. And if your aunt had balls she may be your uncle...

In the meantime we are actually seeing what Trump did.
#^&#^&#^&#^&. Even Tucker Carlson is losing his faith in Dear Leader....

We havent really heard from JR on this... Whats up boss man, you usually have a good take when there is an international component...
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the media is a disgrace since obama. trumps wording is over the top, but conceptually i agree with him 100%, so do most americans

he’s also right, the dems are attempting a coup, fanatically fixated on undoing a fair election. they MAY ( we will soon see) used
obamas DOJ to do hilary’s bidding, spying on the trump campaign. let’s see what durham says.


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It was not a fair election. The DNC stole the primaries from Bernie so Hillary would be the choice. Had bernie won the primaries I suspect he would have beaten trump.
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i agree with him 100%, so do most americans

NO SHOCK THERE ..
SO DO MOST AMERICANS .. BASED ON WHAT?

the dems are attempting a coup,
obamas DOJ to do hilary’s bidding,

MORE CONSPIRACY

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“The Republican party has got to get a grip on itself,” Former Secy. of State Colin Powell on the state of the current GOP. “Republican leaders and members of the Congress… are holding back because they’re terrified of what will happen [to] any one of them if they speak out."

10 bucks says Trump comes out & says Gen Powell is a failed General & is part of the Deep State...and the GOP says nothing.
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Keep toking on the conspiracy theories Jim! You’re helping to make this country an autocracy.
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You deny that the majority of teh medi advocates for democrats?

You deny that democrats use superdelegates to undermine theor own voters, and decided very early on to passionately look to impeach him? Maxine Waters, and Talin haven't been pushing for impeachment since day 1?

Autocracy? YOUR side is telling the supreme court to change their approach or face restructuring. So much for separation of powers. Your side wants to ban Trump from Twitter.

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based on the fact that they'e been desperate to impeach since dy 1. Maxine waters and Talib shrieking for impeachment, just because they hate him.

As to th media, you're denyong they favor democrats?

And there's zero evidence that the Obama DOJ acted as a private investigator for the Clinton campaign? They used Clinton campaign fodder to get a FISA warrant on Carter Page, and coincidentally, didn't tell the judge the supporting evidence was paid for by the opposing campaign. Just an oversight...

It was not a fair election. The DNC stole the primaries from Bernie so Hillary would be the choice. Had bernie won the primaries I suspect he would have beaten trump.
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The democratic primary was not fair, I agree. The general was fair, with the possible exception of the Obama DOJ spyong on the Trump campaign for the purposes of helping Hilary win.

We may see that Jim. And if your aunt had balls she may be your uncle...

In the meantime we are actually seeing what Trump did.
#^&#^&#^&#^&. Even Tucker Carlson is losing his faith in Dear Leader....

We havent really heard from JR on this... Whats up boss man, you usually have a good take when there is an international component...
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Tucker Carlson has never cared for Trump. One reason why I like Carlson. He's honest.

Yes we see what Trump did. We also saw Biden explicitly threaten Ukraine, and we saw 3 senate democras ask the Ukraine to investigate Manafort and Trump, and we saw Obama ask the Russiand to postpone missile talks until after his re election.

I'm not sayong Trump wasn't unethical. I'm saying you can't make it meaningfullly less ethocal than whant Obama, Biden, and senate democrats did, But let's change the rules when it's a republican we hate, Because that's what "all men are created equal" means.

And if your aunt had balls she may be your uncle...

...
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Are you breaking with your party's orthodoxy, and conceding that having balls means you are a male?

You may want to give GS back his auto-correct, just saying

The democratic primary was not fair, I agree. The general was fair, with the possible exception of the Obama DOJ spyong on the Trump campaign for the purposes of helping Hilary win.

Whats your thought on the Republican primary processes.. some state s at Trumps request aren't having one.. and there are 3 challengers
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based on the fact that they'e been desperate to impeach since dy 1. Maxine waters and Talib shrieking for impeachment, just because they hate him.

As to th media, you're denyong they favor democrats?

And there's zero evidence that the Obama DOJ acted as a private investigator for the Clinton campaign? They used Clinton campaign fodder to get a FISA warrant on Carter Page, and coincidentally, didn't tell the judge the supporting evidence was paid for by the opposing campaign. Just an oversight...

Again i know you dont care Republicans started the steel document.. the muller report wasn't vindication as you suggest.. and we are talking about what The Potus has. Done who has power unlike the the freshman democrats you and Republicans love to parriot daily who have zero power in congress

And the press reports what the Potus says and does and hasn't done. Ever hear the saying dont shoot the messenger.. try Blaming the guy sending the message ..unemployment was at a 50 year low (it was reported ) but Trump once again
drowned out a postive for the country. To focus on his victimization
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silly man, dictators don't do primaries :humpty:

Again i know you dont care Republicans started the steel document.. the muller report wasn't vindication as you suggest.. and we are talking about what The Potus has. Done who has power unlike the the freshman democrats you and Republicans love to parriot daily who have zero power in congress
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whoa! :huh:

Whats your thought on the Republican primary processes.. some state s at Trumps request aren't having one.. and there are 3 challengers
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(1) isnt that whataboutism?

(2) i don’t like not having one, fair
enough?

(3) it’s an absurd comparison, as trump will be the nominee. in the democratic side, bernie won the vote in places and fell further behind in delegate count, thanks to superdelegates.

orange man baaaaaaaaad. keep bleating it like a sheep.
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Again i know you dont care Republicans started the steel document.. the muller report wasn't vindication as you suggest.. and we are talking about what The Potus has. Done who has power unlike the the freshman democrats you and Republicans love to parriot daily who have zero power in congress
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i’m not sure i ever said the
mueller report was vindication. if you ever took civics, you’d know it’s not a prosecutors job to vindicate, his job is to charge or
not to charge. mueller chose not to charge. so legally trump is not guilty. i’m sorry if that wasn’t the outcome you were rooting for, but that’s what happened.
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Again i know you dont care Republicans started the steel document.. the muller report wasn't vindication as you suggest.. and we are talking about what The Potus has. Done who has power unlike the the freshman democrats you and Republicans love to parriot daily who have zero power in congress

And the press reports what the Potus says and does and hasn't done. Ever hear the saying dont shoot the messenger.. try Blaming the guy sending the message ..unemployment was at a 50 year low (it was reported ) but Trump once again
drowned out a postive for the country. To focus on his victimization
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the gop has zero power in congress?

congress includes the house and the senate. do you know who controls the senate? if not, you’ll find out if the house ever votes on impeachment.

get some facts wayne.
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get some facts wayne.

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succinct VDH

‘Groundbreaking’ disclosures fall apart, hoaxes are exposed, the media are discredited, over and over and over again.

What do the Kavanaugh hearings, Jussie Smollett, the Covington kids, the Mueller investigation, and now the Trump phone call all have in common?

Staged melodrama, media collusion hysteria, progressive demands that justice be served immediately, promises of walls-are-closing-in blockbuster revelations from new witnesses, supposed surprise revelatory documents, fusions between Democratic politicians and Washington bureaucrats — and then bust, nada, and teeth-gnashing as the truth catches up to various rumor-mongers.


The disgraced purveyors of lies — a Christine Blasey Ford, Michael Avenatti, Nathan Phillips, Jussie Smollet, Adam Schiff — for a time go mute, content with progressives’ praise that they lied for a moral cause and almost pulled it off.

The particular narrative is not all that important, at least compared with a general overriding theme: We are in a virtual civil war, and the Left believes that it can win over the hearts and minds of 20 to 30 percent of the swing voters in the United States with therapeutic tales of racism, sexism, unearned white privilege, and right-wing greed and selfishness, and also by destroying the elected president. Particular events in the news are warped and twisted, to the degree that they can be, to serve that narrative — on the principle that the superior moral end of ensuring a radical equality of result more than justifies the often tawdry and dishonest means to achieve it.