There are unconfirmed reports of a US raid against Islamic State leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi

The raid was carried out by US special operations forces after they received "actionable intelligence",

The info came from the Kurds how Ironic , clearly a good thing if he is dead..

But i find the timing odd ..
Cant wait to see what the quid pro quo is I doubt the Kurds gave this info for free

I heard obama got him

There are unconfirmed reports of a US raid against Islamic State leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi

The raid was carried out by US special operations forces after they received "actionable intelligence",

The info came from the Kurds how Ironic , clearly a good thing if he is dead..

But i find the timing odd ..
Cant wait to see what the quid pro quo is I doubt the Kurds gave this info for free


^^^ This is good if true, heard last night and was waiting for conf. Trump announced it this morning so it is probably true (there is a history of top militant fighters being killed not turning out true - particularly in air strikes)


I heard obama got him

I was expecting someone to comment how , ahhh nevermond.

https://www.bbc.com/news/video_and_audio/headlines/50200383/president-trump-abu-bakr-al-baghdadi-is-dead

.. he was doing so well until 1:15 , then he went down a weird path..
For me anyway

great timing :kewl:

Saturday Night Live went on the air at 11:30 pm Eastern time with an opening skit where Alec Baldwin's Very Fake Trump was thanked by Pete Davidson's Very Fake ISIS Member for "bringing jobs back...for ISIS." Six minutes before, Jennifer Griffin of Fox News was tweeting that ISIS leader Abu-Bakr al-Baghdadi may have been killed in a raid by U.S. forces in Syria. John Santucci of ABC reported it via Twitter at 11:53.

Glad they got him but I shook my head when Trump think al-baghdadi is worse than bin Laden. Also hearing Trump describe itwhas like listening to Isis describing a raid.
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Thank you for your leadership and defending the USA Mr.President.
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Thank you for your leadership and defending the USA Mr.President.
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Trump didn’t catch that bad hombre. The military did. ;)
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America 1st never rang so true. Great leadership inspires.
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Sounds like our special ops pulled off another difficult mission. Good for them. And now back to our regularly programmed impeachment hearings :hihi:

And here I thought the mission was green lighted just to distract from these very serious hearings. I guess it didn’t work.🤷🏽#^&♂️
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There’s always a tweet for any occasion
10/22/12
Stop congratulating Obama for killing Bin Laden. The Navy Seals killed Bin Laden.
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There’s always a tweet for any occasion
10/22/12
Stop congratulating Obama for killing Bin Laden. The Navy Seals killed Bin Laden.
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i have no trouble believing that Trump downplayed Obama's role in the Bin Laden killing (which wasn't much of a role, but he deserves some credit), while Trump will claim he jumped out of a helicopter with a kabar knfe in his mouth to personally get this guy.

i have no trouble believing that Trump downplayed Obama's role in the Bin Laden killing (which wasn't much of a role, but he deserves some credit), while Trump will claim he jumped out of a helicopter with a kabar knfe in his mouth to personally get this guy.


To his credit Trump made sure
the mission was carried out before Pelosi, Schumer knew about it and had their chance to leak it
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To his credit Trump made sure
the mission was carried out before Pelosi, Schumer knew about it and had their chance to leak it
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You just eat up all Trump’s divisive baloney.
That’s the Trumplican way
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You just eat up all Trump’s divisive baloney.
That’s the Trumplican way
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Pretty hilarious
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To his credit Trump made sure
the mission was carried out before Pelosi, Schumer knew about it and had their chance to leak it
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Actually. The pentagon rushed to get this done before the Trump’s move to pull out troops had been completed. In other words, trump almost botched this
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And now back to our regularly programmed impeachment hearings
:hihi:

yup

Actually. The pentagon rushed to get this done before the Trump’s move to pull out troops had been completed. In other words, trump almost botched this
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if it makes you feel better I guess :hihi:

To his credit Trump made sure
the mission was carried out before Pelosi, Schumer knew about it and had their chance to leak it
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I am sure he had to actually pause his golf game for a few minutes to issue the order....

Either way, good shoot. 👍
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I am sure he had to actually pause his golf game for a few minutes to issue the order....

Either way, good shoot. 👍
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I heard it was mr. mustard in the parlor with the golf club
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Trump as usual really doesn’t understand Isis or the Islamic terrorist mentality. Losing the leader is important, but it by no means ends their efforts. If fact Trump provided them a wonderful recruitment video that will no doubt be of great help as they move forward. A dog insult in their culture is a low blow and they will use Trumps description of his death to recruit the next generation. In typical Trump fashion, he claimed Isis uses the internet better than anyone except him of course, because he always has to be the best.
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Trump as usual really doesn’t understand Isis or the Islamic terrorist mentality. Losing the leader is important, but it by no means ends their efforts. If fact Trump provided them a wonderful recruitment video that will no doubt be of great help as they move forward. A dog insult in their culture is a low blow and they will use Trumps description of his death to recruit the next generation. In typical Trump fashion, he claimed Isis uses the internet better than anyone except him of course, because he always has to be the best.
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so we should have left him alone because it might help recruitment?
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al qaeda survived bin laden death and morphed into to todays Isis .. the killing of both of them is a good thing .. but we tend to only kill them long after they killed so many. Until the idea is killed by a resonable standards of living in the middle east they will always be rebuilding in the shadows..

Iraqis are rioting in the streets in vast numbers its an incubator for extremists..

And Trumps granstanding and name calling .(yes he deserved to die a horrible death) and ive heard it before he's says it like it is,or hes not a politician or some just like the tough guy act.. for me it only diminishes the office of The Potus ...

And all my years in the service and correction ..

Those who have done the most been or been in the worst battles .. alway Say the least .. but the message was alway clear..
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Until the idea is killed by a resonable standards of living in the middle east they will always be rebuilding in the shadows..

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very well said. very hard to accomplish.
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Trump as usual really doesn’t understand Isis or the Islamic terrorist mentality. Losing the leader is important, but it by no means ends their efforts. If fact Trump provided them a wonderful recruitment video that will no doubt be of great help as they move forward. A dog insult in their culture is a low blow and they will use Trumps description of his death to recruit the next generation. In typical Trump fashion, he claimed Isis uses the internet better than anyone except him of course, because he always has to be the best.
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venting snowflake

so we should have left him alone because it might help recruitment?
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No just shut the fu*k, no details were needed, but Trump is ALL about the show; ran for fame and fortune.
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venting snowflake

No just calling an idiot an idiot, don’t feed their propaganda machine, no cure for stupid.
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No just shut the fu*k, no details were needed, but Trump is ALL about the show; ran for fame and fortune.
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so obama didn’t like to say, “general motors is alive and bin laden is dead”, his way of spiking the football? but it’s ok when he does it, because he does it in harvard-speak. sorry, what’s good for the goose.

this guy they killed, the head of isis, kidnapped an american girl who was a humanitarian aid worker in
syria, they kept her for
months, and he himself tortured and raped her, then they executed her and dumped her body. the parents will never even be able to bury her. trump should have announced that they brought his body home and fed it to pigs. if egging them on brings them out of the shadows, fire up the drones and release the hellfires until
our inventory is dry.

it’s ok when obama
pats himself on the back, but unbefitting a potus when trump does it.
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it’s ok when obama
pats himself on the back, but unbefitting a potus when trump does it.


The idea that Trump's insulting, fighting language would be an incentive to recruit more ISIS fighters is just propaganda to turn a positive for him into a negative. Just as the left will do, and has done, with every thing that would bolster Trump's approval numbers. The whole impeachment nonsense is for that very purpose. And anything and everything else that can bring his numbers down or keep them from going up can hopefully persuade some more Repub Senators, than the few on board now, to convict in the Senate impeachment trial.

If Trump had said what the Wapo originally said--that Bhagdadi was an austere religious scholar who died, would that have softened the ISIS remnant's desire to quit and be nice. Would they have, because Trump said nice things, decided to be less brutal and less motivated to continue what Baghdadi started? Hell no.

They could care less about any show of "civility." If anything, it would be a sign of weakness. They don't respect that. Their whole MO is based on fear. Power and the fear it evokes is the "language" they respect. They have never required insults against them to give them motivation. What would help them get new recruits is the image that they are powerful, and have the backing of Allah. Doing the will of Allah. Characterizing their leader as being killed in disgrace, dying like a cowardly whining dog would not be an attractive pull for a potential recruit. It would not be an attractive sign of successful power, or of the leader and his movement being sanctioned and protected by their God.

But Spence and the anti-Trumpers on the forum will gladly parrot the propaganda talking point to maintain their narrative of Trump being the ignorant, stupid, danger to "our Democracy."

There’s always a Trump tweet for any occasion
10/23/12
The military and Navy Seals should be given more credit for Bin Laden's death, not Obama, who works hard to take all the credit away from them.
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Keeping America safe makes it easy to believe we will see another term from our great president.
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There are always those that call out a R prez that the language is too harsh and will just foster more violence.

Then some of those same gloss over that austere religious scholar.

Reason # 136 you have Trump

The #WaPoDeathNotice was hilarious https://twitter.com/search?q=%23WaPoDeathNotice&src=typeahead_click

Trump as usual really doesn’t understand Isis or the Islamic terrorist mentality. Losing the leader is important, but it by no means ends their efforts. If fact Trump provided them a wonderful recruitment video that will no doubt be of great help as they move forward. A dog insult in their culture is a low blow and they will use Trumps description of his death to recruit the next generation. In typical Trump fashion, he claimed Isis uses the internet better than anyone except him of course, because he always has to be the best.
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This is a very bad take, Bob.


al qaeda survived bin laden death and morphed into to todays Isis .. the killing of both of them is a good thing .. but we tend to only kill them long after they killed so many. Until the idea is killed by a resonable standards of living in the middle east they will always be rebuilding in the shadows..

Iraqis are rioting in the streets in vast numbers its an incubator for extremists..

And Trumps granstanding and name calling .(yes he deserved to die a horrible death) and ive heard it before he's says it like it is,or hes not a politician or some just like the tough guy act.. for me it only diminishes the office of The Potus ...

And all my years in the service and correction ..

Those who have done the most been or been in the worst battles .. alway Say the least .. but the message was alway clear..
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I don't think standard of living is enough (nor will happen). Their religion, at least among the mainstream needs a reformation and their culture makes many of them incapable of pulling themselves forward.

Religion or culture, mox nix, doesn't matter.

Trump as usual really doesn’t understand Isis or the Islamic terrorist mentality. Losing the leader is important, but it by no means ends their efforts. If fact Trump provided them a wonderful recruitment video that will no doubt be of great help as they move forward. A dog insult in their culture is a low blow and they will use Trumps description of his death to recruit the next generation. In typical Trump fashion, he claimed Isis uses the internet better than anyone except him of course, because he always has to be the best.
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Perhaps a letter of apology would be more flakeworthy. If we use rubber bullets will they love us?
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There are always those that call out a R prez that the language is too harsh and will just foster more violence.

Then some of those same gloss over that austere religious scholar.

Reason # 136 you have Trump

The #WaPoDeathNotice was hilarious https://twitter.com/search?q=%23WaPoDeathNotice&src=typeahead_click




This is a very bad take, Bob.





I don't think standard of living is enough (nor will happen). Their religion, at least among the mainstream needs a reformation and their culture makes many of them incapable of pulling themselves forward.

Religion or culture, mox nix, doesn't matter.

Being in IT John and knowing these nuts use the internet almost exclusively for communication and recruitment, I’m surprised you wouldn’t see his comments as damaging. It feeds their hatred hearing their leaders death described that way and provides a great recruiting video for future use. No issue taking a victory lap with commendation for intelligence, military and allies, the comments about how he died are most likely fabricated and completely unnecessary. You of course are entitled to you opinion, I stand by mine.
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Perhaps a letter of apology would be more flakeworthy. If we use rubber bullets will they love us?
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You like Trump think small and don’t see this war is far from over and those comments are typical Trump grandstanding.
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The president acknowledged that he had informed some Republicans in Congress, the Russians and the Turks But not the house Democrats

He also claimed that Baghdadi's death was "the biggest"

then Lied again stating "had pointed out that the Al-Qaeda leader "had to be killed before he knocked down the World Trade Center" but that "nobody" had heeded his warning." PS Mr Trump never made such a statement in his book..

called people who oppose him Human Scum his press secretary in response They deserve strong language like that.”


Every day Trumps sound more and more like a fascists than an American president.

and his supporter prefer Trump the Fascists over American President

You like Trump think small and don’t see this war is far from over and those comments are typical Trump grandstanding.
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has anyone said the war is over?

what should trump have done, once we knew where this guy was? sent him a nice floral arrangement?
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How ill advised words get used, why you need to be careful of your speech as a leader and above reproach. There is an internet full of examples.

A ranking IRGC (Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps of Iran) commander said that Washington aims to play down the role of Resistance Axis in fighting terrorism in the region.

“ISIL has been defeated by regional nations and the Resistance Axis and Americans aim to question the role of Resistance in the fight against terrorism and say that ‘we are the one undermining ISIL and fighting terrorism’, but this is not the case,” Brigadier General Ismail Kowsari, Deputy Commander of IRGC’s Sarollah Base, told Mehr News Agency on Tuesday.

Despite creating an anti-ISIL UScoalition, Americans didn’t adopt any measure against terrorists and rather, backed these terror groups with all might and the support still continues, he added.

Trump has repeatedly admitted during his presidential election campaign that ISIL was founded by the United States, Kowsari said.

“ISIL was created by Americans and supported by them during the past years; so Americans were well aware of the terror leader’s hiding place,” he added.

“US leaders came to this conclusion that ISIL was of no use for them any longer,” he said adding that they are now mounting propaganda to claim that they are the ones fighting with terrorism.

He noted that al-Baghdadi’s story is very similar to the case of Bin-Laden al-Qaeda, saying US created both and then as soon as their expiration date arrived, made a media buzz and said that they have killed leaders of Takifiri terrorism.

Source: Mehr News Agency

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6ed0ETdpQo

Russia: Satellite Images Prove US Smuggling of Syrian Oil 
Russia, citing satellite imagery, says the United States has been smuggling Syrian oil to other countries under the protection of its troops before and after the defeat of the Daesh Takfiri terrorist group in the region.

Russian Defense Ministry spokesman Major General Igor Konashenkov said on Saturday that “the space intelligence images showed that oil was actively extracted and massively exported for processing outside Syria, under the reliable protection of US troops, before and after the defeat of the Daesh terrorists.”

Konashenkov stressed that the convoys were guarded by US private military companies and special operations forces.

Actually. The pentagon rushed to get this done before the Trump’s move to pull out troops had been completed. In other words, trump almost botched this
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so ignore that we got the guy, and focus on what could have gone wrong.

what are you afraid would
happen, if you just admitted this isna good thing? the snowflakes went in and in about how
much better off the world
was after Biden got a ukrainian prosecutor fired, but you cannot concede this victory.

enjoy your denial fest.
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flakeworthy


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:rotf3::rotf3::rotf3:

so ignore that we got the guy, and focus on what could have gone wrong.

what are you afraid would
happen, if you just admitted this isna good thing? the snowflakes went in and in about how
much better off the world
was after Biden got a ukrainian prosecutor fired, but you cannot concede this victory.

enjoy your denial fest.
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Just admit this is a good thing

Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman, the top NSC expert on Ukraine and first current White House official to testify in the impeachment inquiry, arrives on Capitol Hill.

Quote:
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Trump as usual really doesn’t understand Isis or the Islamic terrorist mentality. Losing the leader is important, but it by no means ends their efforts. If fact Trump provided them a wonderful recruitment video that will no doubt be of great help as they move forward. A dog insult in their culture is a low blow and they will use Trumps description of his death to recruit the next generation. In typical Trump fashion, he claimed Isis uses the internet better than anyone except him of course, because he always has to be the best.
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This is a very bad take, Bob.


he must have been watching THE VIEW because that was the identical take that those lunatics had :scream:

You like Trump think small

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based on trump's empire...I don't think you can accuse him of ever thinking small

Perhaps a letter of apology would be more flakeworthy. If we use rubber bullets will they love us?
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perhaps.
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Just admit this is a good thing

Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman, the top NSC expert on Ukraine and first current White House official to testify in the impeachment inquiry, arrives on Capitol Hill.

so celebrating a questionable impeachment, is the same as celebrating the killing of the head of ISIS.

i think it’s a good thing. but not for the same reasons you do. i think it’s likely that getting impeached by the squad, will help trump. it may destroy him, but it may help him. it’s a political gamble the democrats are taking.
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Keep believing in the reality TV star

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=niGjfLZ3nXo

so celebrating a questionable impeachment, is the same as celebrating the killing of the head of ISIS.

i think it’s a good thing. but not for the same reasons you do. i think it’s likely that getting impeached by the squad, will help trump. it may destroy him, but it may help him. it’s a political gamble the democrats are taking.
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Better than the gamble of letting the Con man stay in office.

The Jurors are realizing what they will lose if he stays.

Contrasting Trump talking about the raid vs Bush and Obama was very telling. What an unintelligent, vile man we have as Pres. Sad

What an unintelligent, vile man we have as Pres. Sad



let it all out buddy :err:

let it all out buddy :err:

I did get a chuckle when Pres. Trump said something like "....canine as they call it… I call it a dog"

let it all out buddy :err:

Faux News: “We should honor Tulsi Gabbard for her service. Her loyalty to this country can’t be questioned.”

Also Faux News: “Let’s disregard Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman’s service and insinuate he’s a spy.”

Also Faux News: “Let’s disregard Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman’s service and insinuate he’s a spy.”

disgusting. Where is the bottom?

Being in IT John and knowing these nuts use the internet almost exclusively for communication and recruitment, I’m surprised you wouldn’t see his comments as damaging. It feeds their hatred hearing their leaders death described that way and provides a great recruiting video for future use. No issue taking a victory lap with commendation for intelligence, military and allies, the comments about how he died are most likely fabricated and completely unnecessary. You of course are entitled to you opinion, I stand by mine.
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And I would never squash your opinion ; )

I don't like half of Trumps speeches, sentences, bad theories, and insults.

I think the bad take (also heard when Bush was Pres) was about feeding into their Promotional / Social Media mastery. Being "nice" to these people (the bad ones) is not going to work and has not worked.

I have difficulty taking seriously the wisdom, reporting, and opinions of the like that call Baghdadi an austere religious scholar (WaPo - not you, Bob).

You like Trump think small and don’t see this war is far from over and those comments are typical Trump grandstanding.
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You think if we say nice things about them then they will be nice to us. This war will never be over no matter how we treat them.
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Faux News: “We should honor Tulsi Gabbard for her service. Her loyalty to this country can’t be questioned.”

Also Faux News: “Let’s disregard Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman’s service and insinuate he’s a spy.”

Cuz tulsi looks better in a bikini on a surfboard......duh??
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You think if we say nice things about them then they will be nice to us. This war will never be over no matter how we treat them.
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Bingo
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It's not about being nice.
It's about making sure that we do not furnish them the ammunition they use to recruit disciples and further their cause, while keeping the pressure on.
It requires restraint, planning and keeping the endgoal in mind, none of which Trump seems to be capable of.
Belichick, Brady and the Patriots are a good example of how this works, our military and diplomatic corp use the same methods and have quite successfully.

It's not about being nice.
It's about making sure that we do not furnish them the ammunition they use to recruit disciples and further their cause, while keeping the pressure on.
It requires restraint, planning and keeping the endgoal in mind, none of which Trump seems to be capable of.
Belichick, Brady and the Patriots are a good example of how this works, our military and diplomatic corp use the same methods and have quite successfully.

bullsh*t.

the fact that we let girls
go to school, drive, and not force them to dress like ninjas, is enough to make them want to kill us all. the fact that i choose not to wear a beard is enough to make them
want to kill us all. appeasement isn’t a viable option here, nor should we aspire to it.

can you libs get one right, even by accident, once in a while?
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It's not about being nice.
It's about making sure that we do not furnish them the ammunition they use to recruit disciples and further their cause, while keeping the pressure on.

Pete, this did not happen in a vacuum, overnight. What was the cause 20-30 years ago? 100 years ago? 500?

It requires restraint, planning and keeping the endgoal in mind, none of which Trump seems to be capable of.


Belichick, Brady and the Patriots are a good example of how this works, our military and diplomatic corp use the same methods and have quite successfully.

Has not been applied for decades and the results show.

bullsh*t.

the fact that we let girls
go to school, drive, and not force them to dress like ninjas, is enough to make them want to kill us all. the fact that i choose not to wear a beard is enough to make them
want to kill us all. appeasement isn’t a viable option here, nor should we aspire to it.

can you libs get one right, even by accident, once in a while?
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What drugs are you on, where does anything i wrote say appeasement is the thing to do.

Giving them ammunition for propaganda like the Orange Idiot did is foolish and equally as valuable as guns to them.

No human is born hating, they are taught to hate.

to those who think the answer, or even part of the answer, is to make them like us more...consider the fate of Kayla Mueller.

Kayla was a young american girl, who was so moved by the pain of the syrian civil war, that she joined a humanitarian mission to work at a hospital there. she was kidnapped by ISIS, held for a time by the same exact guy we just killed. we know for a fact that he repeatedly tortured Kayla and raped her. eventually they killed her and dumped her body, her parents will
never even be able to bury her.

Pete and Got Stripers, I’d like for you to tell me what Kayla Mueller was doing that was so offensive to Muslims.

This war isn’t a misunderstanding that can be cleared up by putting ourselves in the other guys shoes. Bin Laden was educated and from a wealthy family, he wasn’t a lost, desperate soul.

And they named this mission after Kayla Mueller, hope she’s resting a little easier today.


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What drugs are you on, where does anything i wrote say appeasement is the thing to do.

Giving them ammunition for propaganda like the Orange Idiot did is foolish and equally as valuable as guns to them.

No human is born hating, they are taught to hate.

you’re saying we should
avoid giving them recruiting propaganda. someone said that. it’s completely absurd. no matter what we do, unless we live exactly like them, they will hate us. hell, they hate other muslims who are only slightly different than they are.
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providing universal basic income and banning plastic straws over there would probably go a long way to solving our problems with the middle east

Pete, this did not happen in a vacuum, overnight. What was the cause 20-30 years ago? 100 years ago? 500?

What changed 100 years ago when the Ottoman Empire was partitioned after WWI?




Has not been applied for decades and the results show.

When we began the so-called War on Terror after 9/11, we held the moral high ground not only in our own eyes but in the eyes of people around the world. We lost a great deal of that moral high ground over the years during incidents like Abu Ghraib and Nisour Square that showed our personnel behaving not much better than the people we fought. But even then, our Embassy spokespeople and public affairs staff were able to point to our justice system and explain that — unlike the terrorists — we have a foundational commitment to holding bad actors accountable. And we could differentiate between ourselves and the terrorists we killed because we were defending ourselves, not taking delight in death or coming close to sounding sadistic. Our friends and partners could see us claim that, though we have been at war in the Middle East for almost two decades, we don’t enjoy it and wish it were otherwise. We gave bin Laden a proper Muslim burial not because we cared about him, but because retaining the moral high ground meant showing respect for religion if not for the man. And we always talked about that killing as a necessity, not a delight. Trump, in using almost gleeful language that echoes language the terrorists themselves use when they talk about killing Americans, eroded some of our remaining moral high ground. And that, in turn, will make it more difficult to find or keep friends and partners we may need in the future. This is but one of America's strengths that Trump is throwing away.

I will give Trump credit for recognizing that it was critical to make sure that al-Baghdadi’s followers or those who might be inspired in the future do not see him as having died a hero or a martyr. But Trump, as usual, could not resist gilding the lily without apparent concern for the consequences.

Then some of those same gloss over that austere religious scholar.

Reason # 136 you have Trump

The #WaPoDeathNotice was hilarious https://twitter.com/search?q=%23WaPoDeathNotice&src=typeahead_click

Did you bother to read the obit or just decide to get baited by trolls?

you’re saying we should
avoid giving them recruiting propaganda. someone said that. it’s completely absurd. no matter what we do, unless we live exactly like them, they will hate us. hell, they hate other muslims who are only slightly different than they are.
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I said that and it is in no way absurd, it may be hard.

Do you think it should be the policy of the United States to eradicate Muslims from the face of the earth?

If not, how do you propose to choose the good from the bad?

Did you bother to read the obit or just decide to get baited by trolls?

democrats and al-bagdude have a lot in common...I can understand why they would like to participate in the celebration of his life

I said that and it is in no way absurd, it may be hard.

Do you think it should be the policy of the United States to eradicate Muslims from the face of the earth?

If not, how do you propose to choose the good from the bad?

it is absurd, because we know they’ll hate us no matter what. obama wasn’t nearly as offensive as trump is, now
many jihadists laid down their arms
because of obama’s charm? granted, spence probably had trouble functioning becUse he was always swooning, but i’m guessing obamas softer public stance and language, didn’t incentivize any jihadists into giving up the cause.

if trump had kept his
mouth shut, they’d find another propaganda tool. you’re talking about people who use adults with down’s syndrome as suicide bombers. they aren’t human, they’re filthy disgusting animals.
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I

Do you think it should be the policy of the United States to eradicate Muslims from the face of the earth?

If not, how do you propose to choose the good from the bad?

muslims, no. jihadists, yes.

it’s not easy to differentiate, but when you know you’ve identified a bad one, trap him in a tunnel and sick the dogs like we did with this scumbag. better yet, wild hogs.

and it’s not our responsibility, but the worlds.
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Pete and GS, what’s the evidence that ISIS recruits more jihadists when Trump speaks offensively, than they did when Obama was, what, more civilized and diplomatic?

i’m the first one to call out trumps offensive rhetoric, when it’s genuinely offensive. i loved what he said here. lived it. unfortunately for you, so do a lot of people
between the coasts.
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Pete and GS, what’s the evidence that ISIS recruits more jihadists when Trump speaks offensively, than they did when Obama was, what, more civilized and diplomatic?

i’m the first one to call out trumps offensive rhetoric, when it’s genuinely offensive. i loved what he said here. lived it. unfortunately for you, so do a lot of people
between the coasts.
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Once again you need "evidence" that what Trump did as opposed to what both Obama and Bush did was misguided.

The death of ISIS leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi on Saturday is being celebrated as a major victory, but terrorism and national security experts warn his death could serve as a recruitment tool for the terror group — and that Baghdadi's death doesn't signal the end of the fight against ISIS.

Despite the fall of its so-called caliphate and Baghdadi's death, some experts say ISIS could actually become even more dangerous now — particularly given the nature of the terrorist leader's death.

"It is almost certainly the case that Baghdadi's 'martyrdom' will become a propaganda bonanza for Islamic State," Michael S. Smith II, a terrorism analyst and lecturer at Johns Hopkins University's Global Security Studies Program, said.

Baghdadi killed himself with a suicide vest as US commandos stormed his compound in Syria's northwestern Idlib province. Smith noted that the fact Baghdadi killed himself "versus being captured or killed by the US is a sign of strength in the imaginations of Islamic State's current members, and, crucially, prospective new recruits — particularly people who may be persuaded to perpetrate terrorist attacks here in the West."

Smith said that while it's "good practice" to put "iconic leadership figures" from groups like ISIS and al-Qaeda "out of business," it also "doesn't necessarily make the world a less dangerous place — and it can actually have the effect of improving a group's capabilities to recruit and incite violence, particularly here in the US."

President Donald Trump described Baghdadi as "whimpering, crying and screaming all the way" during the raid. This claim has not been backed up by any clear evidence or other administration officials with knowledge of the operation. And some experts have suggested the president's language could bolster ISIS's narrative that the US is anti-Muslim and imperialistic, which is central to its recruiting efforts.

Michael Leiter, who directed the US National Counterterrorism Center from 2007 to 2011, told Vox that Trump "exaggerated Baghdadi's importance" and "repeatedly used language" that "feeds into the ISIS and the Al Qaeda narrative about the US being at war with Muslims in nations throughout the world, as well as solely caring about our own pecuniary, economic interests like oil."

Leiter said that Trump also exhibited a "clear lack of historical appreciation for how these organizations rise, take hold, and are potentially defeated."

"To the president it all became about finding and killing this one individual," Leiter added. "That's important, but it's not how these terrorist groups are ultimately ousted."

As Javed Ali, a former White House counterterrorism director, put it to The Washington Post: "In the annals of modern counterterrorism so far, what history has shown is these types of strikes do not lead to the strategic collapse or organizational defeat of a terrorism organization."

Consecutive US military operations took out Baghdadi and ISIS spokesperson Abu al-Hassan al-Muhajir in Syria over the weekend. But according to Newsweek, which initially broke the story of Baghdadi's death, the terror group already has already designated a new leader: Abdullah Qardash. It also seems to be the case that Baghdadi had largely become a symbolic leader for ISIS and not intricately involved in the group's day-to-day operations.

Joshua A. Geltzer, a former senior director for counterterrorism on the National Security Council in the Obama administration, told The Independent, "Eliminating a terrorist leader of this significance and prominence is a major accomplishment for the intelligence and military personnel who made it possible. And it's a serious step in degrading ISIS's ability to continue radicalizing and recruiting."

But Geltzer also said that ISIS as a group is "bigger" than Baghdadi, adding that "this operation alone doesn't come close to overcoming the strategic error Trump made in abandoning America's top ground partners in the fight against ISIS — a fight that's far from over."

Yes Pete, “evidence”. if
you’re going to say trump
put the world
at risk by spiking the football in his crass manner, i’d like evidence. shocker, you posted a huge piece written by someone else giving an anti trump opinion.

if trump’s
language makes recruiting easier, then there’s be evidence recruiting was harder when obama was in office. i have t seen any, you didn’t provide any.

i love his reaction to this. flail away, keep tilting at the orange windmill.

when you post an essay from someone who calls the caliphate “so called”, that tells us what we’re dealing with. an idiot.
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It’s guys like PeteF and GS that are certain the way Obama had Bin Laden killed did nothing to inspire future jihadists. The fruitcake has too much rum in it this year.

Wow
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Keep believing in his great and unmatched wisdom.
I heard he keeps it in his gut.

Keep believing in his great and unmatched wisdom.
I heard he keeps it in his gut.

keep lying about what i say.

there are no words derogatory enough for this guy we killed. That’s my $0.02.

You want to avoid insulting a man who kidnapped, raped, tortured, and murdered a young american girl. good for you.

i don’t like Trump’s divisive rhetoric. That doesn’t mean he doesn’t get one right once in awhile.


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keep lying about what i say.

there are no words derogatory enough for this guy we killed. That’s my $0.02.

You want to avoid insulting a man who kidnapped, raped, tortured, and murdered a young american girl. good for you.

i don’t like Trump’s divisive rhetoric. That doesn’t mean he doesn’t get one right once in awhile.


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That's but a minor part of what he did.

I don't want to be a rhetorical tool for terrorists saying come help us against America look what they said and having easy video of our representatives to use in recruitment.

They have and will use it.

But you are ecstatic about Trumps self-aggrandizement and overtelling, so he accomplished his goal of exciting his base.
The collateral damage to our intelligence, residents overseas and military operations doesn't matter to you.
Winner

I don't want to be a rhetorical tool



too late......

too late......

🍑🤡
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There is a reason we dont shoot prisoners on or off the battlefield.. there was a reason why Torture was bad.. but somehow Toture became acceptable to some and now with Trumps spiking of the football over this guys Death.
AMERICA knew theses things were wrong . Regardless of how deserving they may have been. We always tried to be the example..

We now have Trump . Who think other Americans are human scum , disparage the CIA FBI and the DOJ. Seeks the assistance of foreign governments ..

Poll: 63% of voters say Trump asking Ukraine to probe Biden is a ..... that the president is soliciting foreign election interference.

Blaming it on hate and whataboutism . Isn't working for Republicans anymore
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Cuz tulsi looks better in a bikini on a surfboard......duh??
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It’s about understanding your enemy and one of their recruitment tools is using stupid statements like that to whip up the hatred an$ draw in more recruits. Here let me put it in a way you might understand, it’s like an upcoming Patriots opponent going to social media and saying our defense is so overrated or calling Brady old and done, you don’t give your opponent fuel to fire up the troops. If Trump had a clue he would understand that.

Scott that response was meant for SD don’t know how that happened.
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Scott that response was meant for SD don’t know how that happened.
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I’ll make sure he gets it
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It’s for anyone who thinks a Trumps grandstanding and description of how the dog leader died is just stupid. To go further with the Patriots line, just do your job and zip it.
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I’ll make sure he gets it
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This guy lives to hear himself talk. Peg must be ignoring him.
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Nope good day, had one of my better rounds, shot 75 and then hoped I could pull your head out of the sand; but I’m afraid it’s just plain stuck.
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Nope good day, had one of my better rounds, shot 75 and then hoped I could pull your head out of the sand; but I’m afraid it’s just plain stuck.
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I'm glad that Trump calling a bloodthirsty mass murderer a "dog" didn't ruin your day.

Did you bother to read the obit or just decide to get baited by trolls?


I read the headline of the obit, it was despicable. Baghdadi was arguably the worst human since Bin Laden, WaPo tried to Ansel Adams his Obit.

If they used "austere religious scholar" with the Dalai-Lama they might be technically correct but the commentariat would be near revolution.

When we began the so-called War on Terror after 9/11, we held the moral high ground not only in our own eyes but in the eyes of people around the world. We lost a great deal of that moral high ground over the years during incidents like Abu Ghraib and Nisour Square that showed our personnel behaving not much better than the people we fought. But even then, our Embassy spokespeople and public affairs staff were able to point to our justice system and explain that — unlike the terrorists — we have a foundational commitment to holding bad actors accountable. And we could differentiate between ourselves and the terrorists we killed because we were defending ourselves, not taking delight in death or coming close to sounding sadistic. Our friends and partners could see us claim that, though we have been at war in the Middle East for almost two decades, we don’t enjoy it and wish it were otherwise. We gave bin Laden a proper Muslim burial not because we cared about him, but because retaining the moral high ground meant showing respect for religion if not for the man. And we always talked about that killing as a necessity, not a delight. Trump, in using almost gleeful language that echoes language the terrorists themselves use when they talk about killing Americans, eroded some of our remaining moral high ground. And that, in turn, will make it more difficult to find or keep friends and partners we may need in the future. This is but one of America's strengths that Trump is throwing away.

I will give Trump credit for recognizing that it was critical to make sure that al-Baghdadi’s followers or those who might be inspired in the future do not see him as having died a hero or a martyr. But Trump, as usual, could not resist gilding the lily without apparent concern for the consequences.


Yep - the US effed up several things there, and some people milked that situation for all it is worth, but still the most benevolent Army you will run into. Concede the Moral High Ground my a$$ - tell me Pete - who maintains a higher moral high ground, a higher standard than the US Military at war?

Yep - the US effed up several things there, and some people milked that situation for all it is worth, but still the most benevolent Army you will run into. Concede the Moral High Ground my a$$ - tell me Pete - who maintains a higher moral high ground, a higher standard than the US Military at war?

Nobody but
Appearance is everything
There’s always a tweet
At the request of many, I will be reviewing the case of a “U.S. Military hero,” Major Matt Golsteyn, who is charged with murder. He could face the death penalty from our own government after he admitted to killing a Terrorist bomb maker while overseas.
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Nobody but
Appearance is everything
There’s always a tweet

And there is the difference. It is not about goals (reducing terrorism, increasing stability) it is about the bad orange man.

You have achieved the remarkable, you have been able to stain Trump with Abu Ghraib - Outstanding.

I read the headline of the obit, it was despicable. Baghdadi was arguably the worst human since Bin Laden, WaPo tried to Ansel Adams his Obit.

If they used "austere religious scholar" with the Dalai-Lama they might be technically correct but the commentariat would be near revolution.
That wasn’t the headline of the obit I read on WaPo.
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And there is the difference. It is not about goals (reducing terrorism, increasing stability) it is about the bad orange man.

You have achieved the remarkable, you have been able to stain Trump with Abu Ghraib - Outstanding.

there’s no such thing as unacceptable collateral damage, when it comes to attacking the orange man.
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But you are ecstatic about Trumps self-aggrandizement and overtelling,


you are either unhinged or willfully dishonest.

i specifically said i don’t approve of trump taking undue credit. I said i did like the way he pizzed on this guys grave, calling him a dog and a coward.

that’s not any kind of self-aggrandizement. it’s trump telling the world that a horrible, horrible person has received justice.

You can’t even allow Trump that. To you, that warrants criticism.

Trump Derangement Syndrome.

Again, you’re either intentionally dishonest or unable to grasp reality, there doesn’t seem to be a third option. god help you if he gets re-elected.
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And there is the difference. It is not about goals (reducing terrorism, increasing stability) it is about the bad orange man.

You have achieved the remarkable, you have been able to stain Trump with Abu Ghraib - Outstanding.

When the Commander in Chief inserts himself into an investigation of a war crime our military and the rest of the world pay attention.
All this little #^&#^&#^&#^& matters.
The damage this idiot has done will take years to remediate.
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you are either unhinged or willfully dishonest.

i specifically said i don’t approve of trump taking undue credit. I said i did like the way he pizzed on this guys grave, calling him a dog and a coward.

that’s not any kind of self-aggrandizement. it’s trump telling the world that a horrible, horrible person has received justice.

You can’t even allow Trump that. To you, that warrants criticism.

Trump Derangement Syndrome.

Again, you’re either intentionally dishonest or unable to grasp reality, there doesn’t seem to be a third option. god help you if he gets re-elected.
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God help us all
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The damage this idiot has done will take years to remediate.

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too funny....get that prescription refilled please

When the Commander in Chief inserts himself into an investigation of a war crime our military and the rest of the world pay attention.
All this little #^&#^&#^&#^& matters.
The damage this idiot has done will take years to remediate.
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Maybe he should have just invited them over for beers in the garden
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That wasn’t the headline of the obit I read on WaPo.
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That's because they changed it after being ratioed


https://www.thedailybeast.com/washington-post-changes-baghdadi-headline-calling-isis-leader-austere-religious-scholar