The Committee on Rules will meet on Wednesday, October 30, 2019 at 3:00 PM in H-313, The Capitol on the following measure:

H. Res. ___ — Directing certain committees to continue their ongoing investigations as part of the existing House of Representatives inquiry into whether sufficient grounds exist for the House of Representatives to exercise its Constitutional power to impeach Donald John Trump, President of the United States of America, and for other purposes. [Original Jurisdiction Markup]
Created: Oct 28, 2019

So since the House is going to vote on the impeachment inquiry and start public hearings, the two things Trumplicans have been asking for, I assume they’ll stop carping about the unfairness and secrecy of this whole thing.

Or will they now claim it's a public spectacle and an attempt to smear the President.

Or will they start calling for interviews to be done behind closed doors?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BApHB0sngpw

I understand it's not a vote to authorize impeachment it is a vote on a resolution asserting their right to conduct an impeachment inquiry into President Donald Trump,

seeing Republicans have made up new standards when it comes to impeachment

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I understand it's not a vote to authorize impeachment it is a vote on a resolution asserting their right to conduct an impeachment inquiry into President Donald Trump,

seeing Republicans have made up new standards when it comes to impeachment

obama asked a russian official to postpone missile talks to help him get re-elected. and he didn’t get impeached.

senate democrats sent a letter to ukraine asking them
to investigate Manafort and Trump, their political rivals, and they didn’t get impeached

all kinds of evidence that Biden engaged in a quid pro quo with ukraine, which, in addition to possibly achieving legitimate policy goals, also possibly benefitted his druggie son tremendously. Biden didn’t get impeached.

So who has different standards for what’s impeachable.
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obama asked a russian official to postpone missile talks to help him get re-elected. and he didn’t get impeached.

senate democrats sent a letter to ukraine asking them
to investigate Manafort and Trump, their political rivals, and they didn’t get impeached

all kinds of evidence that Biden engaged in a quid pro quo with ukraine, which, in addition to possibly achieving legitimate policy goals, also possibly benefitted his druggie son tremendously. Biden didn’t get impeached.

So who has different standards for what’s impeachable.
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None of them are POTUS not sure how you cant see the difference..

And you dont need a vote to have an impeachment hearing . Unless your a republican now its a thing
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None of them are POTUS not sure how you cant see the difference..

And you dont need a vote to have an impeachment hearing . Unless your a republican now its a thing
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Obama wasn't potus? Wow I need to re-read my history...

And if what Trump did was wrong, by what logic is it OK for a VP or a senator to do it.

You are desperately trying to convince yourself of something you know isn't true, that was a laughable argument.

Trump will get impeached in the house, nothing will happen in the Senate. Meanwhile the IG and Durham investigations will also come out, and it will get even uglier if that's possible.

obama asked a russian official to postpone missile talks to help him get re-elected. and he didn’t get impeached.

senate democrats sent a letter to ukraine asking them
to investigate Manafort and Trump, their political rivals, and they didn’t get impeached

all kinds of evidence that Biden engaged in a quid pro quo with ukraine, which, in addition to possibly achieving legitimate policy goals, also possibly benefitted his druggie son tremendously. Biden didn’t get impeached.

So who has different standards for what’s impeachable.
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If this is the mindset of an informed voter I'm afraid we're doomed as a Country.

Obama wasn't potus? Wow I need to re-read my history....

Maybe he was running around sky-screaming "NOT MY PRESIDENT!!!" :huh:
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Love seeing the butt hurt flakes spiraling out of control.
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If this is the mindset of an informed voter I'm afraid we're doomed as a Country.

vague insults from a little
twerp who can never criticize his own side or compliment the other side. bleating of the sheep spence, that’s 90% of what you do. what did i stay exactly, that was wrong?

from a guy who literally couldn’t bring himself
to showup here for weeks after the election.
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Love seeing the butt hurt flakes spiraling out of control.
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going to get a lot worse. a lot worse.
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vague insults from a little
twerp who can never criticize his own side or compliment the other side. bleating of the sheep spence, that’s 90% of what you do. what did i stay exactly, that was wrong?
You have pretty much all of it wrong. You are fact intolerant.

Quit with the stupid insults. I think you're better than that and you'll never be as big of a prick as your mentor SD.

You have pretty much all of it wrong. You are fact intolerant.

Quit with the stupid insults. I think you're better than that and you'll never be as big of a prick as your mentor SD.

you called me misinformed, then have the sack to ask
me to drop the insults.

i have it all wrong? i’ll go slowly...

(1)did obama, or did he not, ask
a russian official to postpone missile talks until after his reelection, because in obama’s words, he’s have more flexibility to work with the Russians, after his last election, therefore after he was answerable?

(2) did three democrats in the us senate ask ukraine to
investigate their political opponents, or did they not?

(3) did biden, or did he not, brag about withholding ukrainian aid if they didn’t fire a prosecutor, at a time when his son had a lucrative job for which his qualifications were questionable, at a ukrainian company known to be corrupt?

all of that is wrong? no truth there?

have you thought about where you’ll hide in 2020 if it doesn’t go your way?

i’m not even a little bit of a
prick. but i’ll call your crap when
you lob it at me.
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So, let’s break this down:

1. Trumplicans oppose the whistleblower because it wasn’t a first-hand account. NOW they oppose a first-hand account.

2. Trumplicans demanded a vote on impeachment inquiry. NOW they oppose the vote on the impeachment inquiry.

They’re desperate.

Just to put a cherry on top here, Graham was among the 1st to spearhead the idea that the whistleblower couldn’t be trusted cuz the account was hearsay. Now that someone on the call has come forward he says this is no different than Dems asking Ukraine to cooperate with Mueller.

Just flailing aren’t they, like jumpers without chutes.

The big question: “Is the Memorandum of Telecomm a complete and accurate record of the conversation?”
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Oh no. 🙈
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vague insults from a little
twerp who can never criticize his own side or compliment the other side. bleating of the sheep spence, that’s 90% of what you do. what did i stay exactly, that was wrong?

from a guy who literally couldn’t bring himself
to showup here for weeks after the election.
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:bl:

How many more Never Trumpers will be allowed to testify about a perfectly appropriate phone call when all anyone has to do is READ THE TRANSCRIPT! I knew people were listening in on the call (why would I say something inappropriate?), which was fine with me, but why so many?
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Good idea, here's some quotes

:
Zelensky: we are almost ready to buy more Javelins from the US for defense purposes.
DJT: I would like you to do us a favor though...
DJT: Mr. Giuliani is a highly respected man...I would like him to call you...

Jiminy crickets
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Jiminy crickets
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you called me misinformed, then have the sack to ask
me to drop the insults.

i have it all wrong? i’ll go slowly...

(1)did obama, or did he not, ask
a russian official to postpone missile talks until after his reelection, because in obama’s words, he’s have more flexibility to work with the Russians, after his last election, therefore after he was answerable?

(2) did three democrats in the us senate ask ukraine to
investigate their political opponents, or did they not?

(3) did biden, or did he not, brag about withholding ukrainian aid if they didn’t fire a prosecutor, at a time when his son had a lucrative job for which his qualifications were questionable, at a ukrainian company known to be corrupt?

all of that is wrong? no truth there?

have you thought about where you’ll hide in 2020 if it doesn’t go your way?

i’m not even a little bit of a
prick. but i’ll call your crap when
you lob it at me.
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Jim they are all irrelevant to the topic and what Trump did .. with hold aid . Unless a foreign goverment gave him dirt on a political opponent..

None of your examples are remotely the same no matter how you insist their the same ..
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House GOP Leader Says Ukraine Expert 'Is Wrong' About Trump Call

Shocking ..
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Jim they are all irrelevant to the topic and what Trump did .. with hold aid . Unless a foreign goverment gave him dirt on a political opponent..

None of your examples are remotely the same no matter how you insist their the same ..
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it’s very easy to say “‘those aren’t the same.”. please
explain the specific differences. i assume there’s a reason you didn’t do that.
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Gordon Sondland Desperately Tries to Unscrew Himself By Telling the Truth

EU Amb. Gordon Sondland now tells Congress that there was a quid pro quo involved with Ukraine after previously denying it, Wall Street Journal reports.

The prospect of perjury charges seemed to concentrate his mind wonderfully.

A growing number of Republicans are privately warning of increasing fears of a total wipeout in 2020: House, Senate, and White House.

But not Donnie, or is he just putting on a brave front?

Nervous Nancy Pelosi is doing everything possible to destroy the Republican Party. Our Polls show that it is going to be just the opposite. The Do Nothing Dems will lose many seats in 2020. They have a Death Wish, led by a corrupt politician, Adam Schiff!

A growing number of Republicans are privately warning of increasing fears of a total wipeout in 2020: House, Senate, and White House.

But not Donnie, or is he just putting on a brave front?

Nervous Nancy Pelosi is doing everything possible to destroy the Republican Party. Our Polls show that it is going to be just the opposite. The Do Nothing Dems will lose many seats in 2020. They have a Death Wish, led by a corrupt politician, Adam Schiff!

which republicans are worried
about a wipeout? funny how you automatically assume their opinions are valid.

One of the libs here started a thread recently, where Moody’s analytics firm, with a good record of predicting presidential races, says a trump reelection is likely. how do you know that nervous republicans are more credible?

i think it’s you, not trump, who is putting on a brave face, desperately trying to convince yourself of something you don’t actually believe.

if the economy holds and if he inks a good deal with china, and if the democrat candidate isn’t named Joe Biden, he’ll probably get re-elected.

when you exist in a bubble, and you get all facts from sources that agree with you, and you never listen with an open mind to anything that anyone else has to say, it’s very easy to believe that everyone is exactly like you, and that the election will go your way.


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you called me misinformed, then have the sack to ask
me to drop the insults.

i have it all wrong? i’ll go slowly...

(1)did obama, or did he not, ask
a russian official to postpone missile talks until after his reelection, because in obama’s words, he’s have more flexibility to work with the Russians, after his last election, therefore after he was answerable?

What's the illegal action? Starting negotiations after an election is not illegal.
Obama was quoted the following day saying he wasn’t trying to “hide the ball,” and would carry through with negotiations with Russia. In May 2016, after nearly a decade of planning (and over the continued objections of Russia), the NATO missile defense system in Europe was finally launched.

(2) did three democrats in the us senate ask ukraine to
investigate their political opponents, or did they not?

The three senators sent this public letter https://www.foreign.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/5-4-18%20Menendez%20joint%20letter%20to%20General%20Pr osecutor%20of%20Ukraine%20on%20Mueller%20investiga tion.pdf asking the Ukrainian Prosecutor General to answer some questions regarding interference and cooperation with the ongoing Mueller investigation.

(3) did biden, or did he not, brag about withholding ukrainian aid if they didn’t fire a prosecutor, at a time when his son had a lucrative job for which his qualifications were questionable, at a ukrainian company known to be corrupt?

He absolutely bragged about it as he should have. But you missed the facts to push another fairy tale.
Ukraine has long struggled to combat corruption, and anti-graft efforts scaled up in the wake of the 2014 Ukrainian revolution that toppled then-President Viktor Yanukovych.
Paul Manafort spent from 2004 to 2014 as a consultant to Ukraine's Party of Regions and its standardbearer, Viktor Yanukovych.
In 2014, then-Vice President Biden’s son Hunter joined the board of Burisma Holdings, a large private Ukrainian gas firm. Also in 2014, the firm’s owner, Mykola Zlochevsky (the former Ukrainian ecology minister and a political ally of Yanukovych), came under investigation for corrupt business dealings. In 2015, Viktor Shokin was appointed to the role of prosecutor general and thus assumed control over the investigation into Zlochevsky and his businesses.

Following cries from observers about Shokin’s own ineptitude and corruption and pressure from Vice President Biden, among others, Shokin was fired in 2016. Shokin’s firing drew praise from Western observers, including from the European Union’s envoy to Ukraine, who noted that the firing of Shokin “creates an opportunity to make a fresh start in the prosecutor general’s office” and expressed “hope that the new prosecutor general will ensure that [his] office ... becomes independent from political influence and pressure and enjoys public trust.”

Notably, Ukraine’s then-Prosecutor General Yuriy Lutsenko stated in May 2019 that he was aware of no evidence of criminal wrongdoing by Hunter Biden. The New York Times reports that “no evidence has surfaced to support” President Trump’s allegations that the former vice president sought to dismiss Shokin in order to help his son.

all of that is wrong? no truth there?
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All good false narratives have connections to the truth, but the dots don't connect.

All good false narratives have connections to the truth, but the dots don't connect.

"What's the illegal action?

I didn't say there was an illegal action. I said it's an example of Obama asking a foreign power for a favor which would help him get reelected (obviously,Obama didn't want the voters to know his intentions regarding Russian missiles until after his election was behind him). Does that sound familiar, sound like any part of why Trump is being impeached? If it's OK for Obama to ask for a favor which would benefit him politically, why can't Trump do it?

"Obama was quoted the following day saying he wasn’t trying to “hide the ball,”"

And if you're going to believe what Obama says in a prepared statement after he got caught on a hot mic and take his word for it, we can take Trump at his word.

"The three senators sent this public letter https://www.foreign.senate.gov/imo/m...estigation.pdf asking the Ukrainian Prosecutor General to answer some questions regarding interference and cooperation with the ongoing Mueller investigation. "

In other words, they asked a foreign power to assist/investigate in getting dirt on a political rival. Does that sound familiar, sound like any part of why Trump is being impeached? If it's OK for senate democrats to ask a foreign power to assist in the investigation of a political rival, why isn't it OK for Trump to do it?

As to Biden, your response completely ignored the evidence that Biden's family, namely his son, personally benefitted from Biden's actions as VP. You dodged that issue completely. But if Biden can use the leverage of a quid pro quo to benefit his son, why can't Trump do the same to benefit himself? I'm not saying the prosecutor didn't deserve to be fired, I'm saying someone else should have pressured them to do it, someone whose son didn't have a lot at risk.

None of this will matter. He's probably getting impeached in the house, obviously not convicted in they Senate, and the voters can decide if the impeachment was legit or a sham based on previous similar actions that were OK at the time, and which you defend today.

Then the IG and Durham reports will come out, which you have already made up your mind are a sham, and which most conservatives have already made up their minds is legit.

I go where facts and common sense take me. In this case, I can make a very compelling case that Trump is being held to a different standard than Obama, senate democrats, and Biden. I don't believe that because I want it to be true (that's what you and Spence do), I believe it because the facts suggest it's true. If Trump in fact committed an impeachable offense, I'd be happy to see him impeached, I like Pence a lot better. Nicer guy, more truly conservative.

"What's the illegal action?

I didn't say there was an illegal action. I said it's an example of Obama asking a foreign power for a favor which would help him get reelected (obviously,Obama didn't want the voters to know his intentions regarding Russian missiles until after his election was behind him). Does that sound familiar, sound like any part of why Trump is being impeached? If it's OK for Obama to ask for a favor which would benefit him politically, why can't Trump do it?
Because it is a violation of his oath of office, to ask a foreign government for assistance in his election.

"Obama was quoted the following day saying he wasn’t trying to “hide the ball,”"

And if you're going to believe what Obama says in a prepared statement after he got caught on a hot mic and take his word for it, we can take Trump at his word.

"The three senators sent this public letter https://www.foreign.senate.gov/imo/m...estigation.pdf asking the Ukrainian Prosecutor General to answer some questions regarding interference and cooperation with the ongoing Mueller investigation. "

In other words, they asked a foreign power to assist/investigate in getting dirt on a political rival. Does that sound familiar, sound like any part of why Trump is being impeached? If it's OK for senate democrats to ask a foreign power to assist in the investigation of a political rival, why isn't it OK for Trump to do it?

I guess it would have been ok if instead of sending an official letter as members of Congress, they had asked Rudy to do it for them with the assistance of a couple hirelings of Russian Oligarchs

As to Biden, your response completely ignored the evidence that Biden's family, namely his son, personally benefitted from Biden's actions as VP. You dodged that issue completely. But if Biden can use the leverage of a quid pro quo to benefit his son, why can't Trump do the same to benefit himself? I'm not saying the prosecutor didn't deserve to be fired, I'm saying someone else should have pressured them to do it, someone whose son didn't have a lot at risk.

What evidence is there that Hunter Biden's hiring was in exchange for anything? As far as pressure goes, lot's of other organizations wanted the corruption in Ukraine stopped, Biden was chosen to be the spokesman for the USA.

None of this will matter. He's probably getting impeached in the house, obviously not convicted in they Senate, and the voters can decide if the impeachment was legit or a sham based on previous similar actions that were OK at the time, and which you defend today.

Then the IG and Durham reports will come out, which you have already made up your mind are a sham, and which most conservatives have already made up their minds is legit.

I go where facts and common sense take me. In this case, I can make a very compelling case that Trump is being held to a different standard than Obama, senate democrats, and Biden. I don't believe that because I want it to be true (that's what you and Spence do), I believe it because the facts suggest it's true. If Trump in fact committed an impeachable offense, I'd be happy to see him impeached, I like Pence a lot better. Nicer guy, more truly conservative.

Kelley told Trump that if he hired a yes-man, he would be impeached.
There are plenty of people in this administration that know the truth and it is starting to open up.
Sondland is next, he will recant his testimony and I expect, admit that Trump told him to say there is no quid pro quo.
This is not the Trump Organization, it's the US government and it is hard to hide the underhanded BS like Trump did for years in his business. There's a reason he was party to thousands of lawsuits, in fact if you google "party to thousands of lawsuits" guess who is number one.
Things in Trumpland will crash fast, until weeks before his resignation Republicans stood firmly behind Nixon.

Kelley told Trump that if he hired a yes-man, he would be impeached.
There are plenty of people in this administration that know the truth and it is starting to open up.
Sondland is next, he will recant his testimony and I expect, admit that Trump told him to say there is no quid pro quo.
This is not the Trump Organization, it's the US government and it is hard to hide the underhanded BS like Trump did for years in his business. There's a reason he was party to thousands of lawsuits, in fact if you google "party to thousands of lawsuits" guess who is number one.
Things in Trumpland will crash fast, until weeks before his resignation Republicans stood firmly behind Nixon.

"Because it is a violation of his oath of office, to ask a foreign government for assistance in his election"

You mean it's a violationwhen Trump did it, not when Obama did it.

"I guess it would have been ok if instead of sending an official letter as members of Congress, they had asked Rudy to do it for them with the assistance of a couple hirelings of Russian Oligarchs "

Huh? Now you're saying what Trump did was wrong, because he didn't use official letterhead to make the request? Sure, that makes sense...You're talking absolute gibberish now.

"What evidence is there that Hunter Biden's hiring was in exchange for anything?"

So there's nothing to see, that Hunter got a very lucrative job on the board of a ukranian energy company. And he got that job not because his father was the Executive branch's point person in Ukraine, but because he was the most qualified for that job., based on getting kicked out of the Navy for drug use. And all the stories that the prosecutor was getting ready to look at this energy company are unfounded. They must be unfounded, because if it was legitimate, it would hurt the Bidens.

"Kelley told Trump that if he hired a yes-man, he would be impeached."

I love General Kelly.

"Things in Trumpland will crash fast"

You say so.

And let me take a wild guess. You predict that the IG report and Durhams report on the possible wrongdoings in the origins of the Russian probe, will be a nothingburger. The fact that Durham is a very accomplished prosecutor, and had this changed to a criminal probe, means nothing, that's just Trump being vindictive, it's not humanly possible that the Obama DOJ was acting as hired security for the Clinton campaign. You already know it's impossible, even though nothing in the investigations has been released. Do I have that right?

PeteF will be getting his dinner soon enough🍔
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"Because it is a violation of his oath of office, to ask a foreign government for assistance in his election"

You mean it's a violationwhen Trump did it, not when Obama did it.
No, not doing something is different than "do me a favor", it is legal. Bribery is not.

"I guess it would have been ok if instead of sending an official letter as members of Congress, they had asked Rudy to do it for them with the assistance of a couple hirelings of Russian Oligarchs "

Huh? Now you're saying what Trump did was wrong, because he didn't use official letterhead to make the request? Sure, that makes sense...You're talking absolute gibberish now.

No, I was being facetious. What Trump did "do me a favor" in return for aid was a violation of his oath of office. The Senators asking for aid to an official investigation of the US government was not.


"What evidence is there that Hunter Biden's hiring was in exchange for anything?"

So there's nothing to see, that Hunter got a very lucrative job on the board of a ukranian energy company. And he got that job not because his father was the Executive branch's point person in Ukraine, but because he was the most qualified for that job., based on getting kicked out of the Navy for drug use. And all the stories that the prosecutor was getting ready to look at this energy company are unfounded. They must be unfounded, because if it was legitimate, it would hurt the Bidens.

What is illegal about that? Unethical at best, but what law was broken? He doesn't have a wimpy CV prior to 2014.

After graduating from law school, Biden took a position at MBNA America, a major bank holding company which was also a major contributor to his father's political campaigns. By 1998, he had risen to the rank of executive vice president. From 1998 to 2001, he served in the United States Department of Commerce, focusing on ecommerce policy. Biden became a lobbyist in 2001, co-founding the firm of Oldaker, Biden & Belair. According to Adam Entous of The New Yorker, Biden and his father established a relationship in which "Biden wouldn't ask Hunter about his lobbying clients, and Hunter wouldn't tell his father about them." In 2006, Biden and his uncle, James Biden, attempted to buy Paradigm, a hedge-fund group, but the deal fell apart before completion. That same year, Biden was appointed by President George W. Bush to the board of directors of Amtrak; he was on the board of Amtrak from 2006 to 2009.

Later career, 2009–present
After his father was elected as vice president in 2008, Biden resigned from his position on the Amtrak board of directors and left his career as a lobbyist. Along with Christopher Heinz, stepson of John Kerry, and Devon Archer, Biden founded the investment firm Rosemont Seneca.

He also became an attorney with the law firm Boies Schiller Flexner LLP, and founded Eudora Global, a venture capital firm.

"Kelley told Trump that if he hired a yes-man, he would be impeached."

I love General Kelly.

"Things in Trumpland will crash fast"

You say so.

And let me take a wild guess. You predict that the IG report and Durhams report on the possible wrongdoings in the origins of the Russian probe, will be a nothingburger. The fact that Durham is a very accomplished prosecutor, and had this changed to a criminal probe, means nothing, that's just Trump being vindictive, it's not humanly possible that the Obama DOJ was acting as hired security for the Clinton campaign. You already know it's impossible, even though nothing in the investigations has been released. Do I have that right?

Now your Adderall is kicking in.
We will see what Durham finds won't we?
You certainly believe in a deep state plot.
Durham’s reputation as a professional prosecutor “known for his modesty and restraint” gives reason for hope that this criminal investigation isn’t a runaway, politically-motivated escapade.

Barr’s reputation as a shameless toady gives reason to suspect the opposite.

We simply don’t know which sensibility is driving the investigation.

We’ll know soon enough. But until then, it’s probably best not to read too much into this development.

Maybe since R's have no problem Trump can stipulate in Senate trial:
I asked Ukraine to find damaging material on Biden.
The aid and the meeting would not happen without a public statement from Ukraine's president.
I withheld the aid to encourage Ukraine to find information.
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If Trump in fact committed an impeachable offense, I'd be happy to see him impeached, I like Pence a lot better. Nicer guy, more truly conservative.
Pence needs to join with Republicans to survive, Trump will drag him down with him.
“The people around the Vice President are increasingly worried because he has his own political ambitions. It's no secret to anyone that he aspires to potentially run some day for President, and this could wind up being a real blemish on him"
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Pence needs to join with Republicans to survive, Trump will drag him down with him.
“The people around the Vice President are increasingly worried because he has his own political ambitions. It's no secret to anyone that he aspires to potentially run some day for President, and this could wind up being a real blemish on him"
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wow, an anonymous quote. good enough for me.
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Reminder, Vindman’s testimony doesn’t just impeach Trump.

It also impeaches Pompeo.
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wow, an anonymous quote. good enough for me.
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Pence's career is over -fittingly will go down with the Trump Titanic
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Now your Adderall is kicking in.
We will see what Durham finds won't we?
.

In the thread I started about Durhams inquiry, all of the reliable lefties here, downplayed or dismissed the investigation, before a syllable has been released.

Pence's career is over -fittingly will go down with the Trump Titanic
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When is Trump going down?

I agree Pence is not electable as POTUS. Next up, my prediction, Nikki Haley. Then we'll see who is waging war on women.

Pretty sad that the desperate GOP mouth pieces and RNC media disparage a loyal patriot and someone willing to put his life on the line for OUR freedom, in order to discredit his honest accounting of the “perfect” call. The cover up is beginning to unravel and the distraction tactics will ramp up out of necessity.
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The White House Changed The Ukraine Call Memo To Cover Up Trump's Crimes
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Pretty sad that the desperate GOP mouth pieces and RNC media disparage a loyal patriot and someone willing to put his life on the line for OUR freedom, in order to discredit his honest accounting of the “perfect” call. The cover up is beginning to unravel and the distraction tactics will ramp up out of necessity.
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it would be fun to compile your predictions of doom

When is Trump going down?

I agree Pence is not electable as POTUS. Next up, my prediction, Nikki Haley. Then we'll see who is waging war on women.

Surprised you like her
She won’t reduce our presence in the ME
NikkiHaley takes a thinly-veiled shot at Trump’s foreign policy: “It would be nicer and cheaper if the world didn’t need American leadership. Sadly, that’s not the world we live in.”
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NikkiHaley takes a thinly-veiled shot at Trump’s foreign policy: “It would be nicer and cheaper if the world didn’t need American leadership. Sadly, that’s not the world we live in.”

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sounds like a thinly-veiled shot at the world

Pretty sad that the desperate GOP mouth pieces and RNC media disparage a loyal patriot and someone willing to put his life on the line for OUR freedom, in order to discredit his honest accounting of the “perfect” call. The cover up is beginning to unravel and the distraction tactics will ramp up out of necessity.
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Supporters dont care it was on Fox or BREITBART it has to be True

Funny hearings for nixon Clinton Impeachments and benghazi probe were all conducted behind closed door .. Republicans complaining about precedence is laughable.. (and spewing revisionist history )

can you say Merrick Garland yet they have said if a vacancy occurs within the same time frame prior until the next election they will not wait until after the election so much for precedence


Republicans Accuse Colonel Vindman, a Jew Who Fled Soviet Persecution, of Dual Loyalty

“Here we have a U.S. national security official who is advising Ukraine while working inside the White House, apparently against the president’s interest,” Fox News host Laura Ingraham said on Monday night.

Only republicans get away with claiming to be patriots and attacking patriots... its always conspiracy after conspiracy supported by state new FOX :kewl:

Surprised you like her
She won’t reduce our presence in the ME
NikkiHaley takes a thinly-veiled shot at Trump’s foreign policy: “It would be nicer and cheaper if the world didn’t need American leadership. Sadly, that’s not the world we live in.”
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There isn’t anybody i’m going to agree with on every issue. She’s conservative, and in my opinion she’s electable. i don’t see how that’s a shot at trump. is trump saying the world doesn’t need us at all? you’re really obsessed.
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sounds like a thinly-veiled shot at the world

exactly.

but to him, everything is an excuse to attack trump. it’s something to see.
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I heard Trumps staff is going to start raising money for lawyers by selling Tshirts

Sondlands is first

I gave Trump a million for an Ambassadorship

All I got was this lousy perjury charge

Surprised you like her
She won’t reduce our presence in the ME
NikkiHaley takes a thinly-veiled shot at Trump’s foreign policy: “It would be nicer and cheaper if the world didn’t need American leadership. Sadly, that’s not the world we live in.”
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you can cherry pick with the best if ‘em.

i read her whole speech, she defended the president, specifically called out those undermining him, and she blasted those who deny america’s greatness, blasted those who rewrite our history, and specifically blasted those who call for open borders. those were explicit criticisms, not thinly veiled, and guess who they were aimed at?
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Here’s the twisted view
She’s doing the setup for Pence to resign, DJT to appoint her VP, Trump to resign/ make deal, she to pardon him. It’s gonna play that way. Too little too late, Nikki.
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Here’s the twisted view
She’s doing the setup for Pence to resign, DJT to appoint her VP, Trump to resign/ make deal, she to pardon him. It’s gonna play that way. Too little too late, Nikki.
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earlier you were saying she was criticizing trump, now you’re saying she’s trying to get him to make her the VP?

i have news for you, trump is not resigning, not based on what we know right now. He’s going to be the candidate. take off your tin foil
hat, put down the kool
aid, and take a nice, deep breath. Trump may lose the election, but based on what we know right now, he is going to be the candidate, and Pence is likely to be the VP.
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earlier you were saying she was criticizing trump, now you’re saying she’s trying to get him to make her the VP?

i have news for you, trump is not resigning, not based on what we know right now. He’s going to be the candidate. take off your tin foil
hat, put down the kool
aid, and take a nice, deep breath. Trump may lose the election, but based on what we know right now, he is going to be the candidate, and Pence is likely to be the VP.
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"Here’s the twisted view"

Of course, he has a transcript so exonerating it had to be edited.
Perfect conversation.......

More and more people will testify, then....

A few weeks of public hearings and the Draftdodger in chief will have called everyone in DC names on either side of the aisle.

Republicans are looking for the point when they can ship him out of DC and claim the high ground for doing so.

Notice the Senators other than the Trump mouthpieces are saying they don't want to comment since they will be jurors...gotta keep those options open.

Meanwhile he's sending Wilber Ross to sleep thru the East Asian Summit and U.S.-ASEAN Summit after pulling out of the TPP and leaving partners looking for stable trade deals, China is happy.

And in Africa, those #^&#^&#^&#^&hole countries, Putin hosted 40 countries in Sochi last week, has signed military agreements with half and has increased it's trade with Africa by almost 20% each year Trump has been in office.

His dream of signing a trade deal in Chile evaporated when they canceled the meeting.

Keep believing in the Stable Genius

it would be fun to compile your predictions of doom

Predicting Trump and his news station will go after anyone who comes out with truth that contradicts the narrative is so easy, I wish Vegas put odds on it I’d be buying a really big boat with captain and crew. Not much of a prediction to suggest the “no quid pro quo” narrative was eventually doomed to be dispelled.
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"Here’s the twisted view"

Of course, he has a transcript so exonerating it had to be edited.
Perfect conversation.......

More and more people will testify, then....

A few weeks of public hearings and the Draftdodger in chief will have called everyone in DC names on either side of the aisle.

Republicans are looking for the point when they can ship him out of DC and claim the high ground for doing so.

Notice the Senators other than the Trump mouthpieces are saying they don't want to comment since they will be jurors...gotta keep those options open.

Meanwhile he's sending Wilber Ross to sleep thru the East Asian Summit and U.S.-ASEAN Summit after pulling out of the TPP and leaving partners looking for stable trade deals, China is happy.

And in Africa, those #^&#^&#^&#^&hole countries, Putin hosted 40 countries in Sochi last week, has signed military agreements with half and has increased it's trade with Africa by almost 20% each year Trump has been in office.

His dream of signing a trade deal in Chile evaporated when they canceled the meeting.

Keep believing in the Stable Genius

if you think the gop wants him out, you’re clueless. he annihilated hilary, and is obviously their best shot at retaining the white house.

the american people
don’t want us making military commitments all over the world. that’s one reason why he won.

you criticize him when he fails to fulfill campaign promises ( the wall), and you criticize him when he exactly follows through on promises ( bringing troops home).

the gop leadership is also beyond thrilled with the judges he’s appointing. they aren't looking to show him the door.

id love to know where you get your news from.

you think more than 2-3 gop
senators will vote to convict, based on what we know right now? really?
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I heard democrat debbie dingbat state that they were not voting on impeachment today but they were voting to follow the facts...she also insisted that all of the testimony to date has been conducted in a classified setting....

these people are laughable....:rotflmao:

she also insisted that all of the testimony to date has been conducted in a classified setting....

these people are laughable....:rotflmao:

Whats laughable about this? It seems like it has been done properly, until the GOP wingnuts decided to storm the secure room with their cellphones...

Whats laughable about this? It seems like it has been done properly, until the GOP wingnuts decided to storm the secure room with their cellphones...

so all of the leaked classified testimony came from the GOP wingnuts on their secure cell phones?

so all of the leaked classified testimony came from the GOP wingnuts on their secure cell phones?

It's coming from 'sources', no different than during Bengahzi, Clinton impeachment, probably during Nixon. Most of the real info released so far have been the opening statements, not the testimony.

The republicans are running around trying to muddy the waters because they know what is being said behind closed doors in that testimony is not good for Trump et al.

We have him on record up and down stating the transcript is exact, and know there are multi witnesses, and I think Vindman is pretty credible, waiting for Bolton, that it was doctored to remove damaging phrases and context from the transcript to downplay 'Rudy's drug deal'

Oh no, I hope it’s nothing serious. 🙈
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We have him on record up and down stating the transcript is exact



I think what he's said is the the call was "perfect"...in terms of getting the ball rolling exposing all of this democrat wrongdoing...it was!

I think what he's said is the the call was "perfect"...in terms of getting the ball rolling exposing all of this democrat wrongdoing...it was!

No.. his quote is this:
""I had a transcript done by very, very talented people -- word for word, comma for comma," said Trump at one point in that early October news conference. "Done by people that do it for a living. We had an exact transcript." Later, he added that the document was "an exact transcript of my call, done by very talented people that do this -- exact, word for word."

You must be kidding, Trump doesn't lie, if he says it's word for word it's the truth.

A few facts to keep handy in the face of intellectually dishonest GOP arguments today.

1. Impeachment of a President is not the process of undoing a previous election. It is the process whereby Congress indicts a President for wrongdoing while in office.
2. Though a quid pro quo is obvious, none is needed.

The drafters of the impeachment clause said so.

Madison was worried about the perfidy of a President, or deceit. He worried a President would wrongly work with a foreign power.

Edmund Randolph was concerned a President would seek to profit from the office, would seek emoluments from the presidency.

George Mason was concerned a President would undermine an investigation into himself, or might interfere with the work and duty of electors.

3. The whistleblower testimony is not needed.

Trump confessed to impeachable activity through release of the call notes.

Mulvaney corroborated it with his presser.

Bill Taylor confirmed it factually.

Lt. Col. Vindman contextualized it all as undermining US national security.

Eisenberg hid the transcript in an ultra secure server, showing consciousness of guilt, obstructing justice and abusing power.
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A few facts to keep handy in the face of intellectually dishonest GOP arguments today.

1. Impeachment of a President is not the process of undoing a previous election. It is the process whereby Congress indicts a President for wrongdoing while in office.
2. Though a quid pro quo is obvious, none is needed.

The drafters of the impeachment clause said so.

Madison was worried about the perfidy of a President, or deceit. He worried a President would wrongly work with a foreign power.

Edmund Randolph was concerned a President would seek to profit from the office, would seek emoluments from the presidency.

George Mason was concerned a President would undermine an investigation into himself, or might interfere with the work and duty of electors.

3. The whistleblower testimony is not needed.

Trump confessed to impeachable activity through release of the call notes.

Mulvaney corroborated it with his presser.

Bill Taylor confirmed it factually.

Lt. Col. Vindman contextualized it all as undermining US national security.

Eisenberg hid the transcript in an ultra secure server, showing consciousness of guilt, obstructing justice and abusing power.
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And clinton got a blow job and lied under oath. This outraged Republicans

Yet Trumps behavior the use of executive privilege the refusal of congressional subpoenas by his people . The list is endless..

Why doesn't it bother his supporter that Trump wont go under oath.

Simple.. party of country .. the next evolution in Trumps party..
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Clearly the greatest president of our lifetime
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Jackie Spier

Devin Nunes calling the Intelligence Committee’s fact-finding mission a cult is despicable. I know about cults. Cults are led by maniacal narcissists who expect complete adoration and relinquishment of independent thought. I suggest Mr. Nunes look elsewhere.
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In 1978, Speier was shot five times as a congressional staffer trying to save people from the cult at Jonestown. She survived after being left for dead on airstrip for 22 hours. Speier almost never talks about the experience, so this is a real rebuke of Nunes.

Perhaps you can think of another maniacal narcissist

Jackie Spier

Devin Nunes calling the Intelligence Committee’s fact-finding mission a cult is despicable. I know about cults. Cults are led by maniacal narcissists who expect complete adoration and relinquishment of independent thought. I suggest Mr. Nunes look elsewhere.
10:21 AM · Oct 31, 2019·Twitter for iPhone

In 1978, Speier was shot five times as a congressional staffer trying to save people from the cult at Jonestown. She survived after being left for dead on airstrip for 22 hours. Speier almost never talks about the experience, so this is a real rebuke of Nunes.

Perhaps you can think of another maniacal narcissist

you act like a cult member

Trump Campaign Holds ‘Witch Hunt’ Halloween Party in Pennsylvania

:hihi:

Trump cared about corruption in Ukraine like Bonnie & Clyde cared about the FDIC - as a source of financial opportunity. His jailed funders were working with his attorney to replace the directors of the state gas company with themselves.
Trump didn’t see Ukraine as the one country he would push to become less corrupt. Instead, he saw it as a weak, dependent country he could leverage for his own self-interest, political and financial.

A few facts to keep handy in the face of intellectually dishonest GOP arguments today.

1. Impeachment of a President is not the process of undoing a previous election. It is the process whereby Congress indicts a President for wrongdoing while in office.
2. Though a quid pro quo is obvious, none is needed.

The drafters of the impeachment clause said so.

Madison was worried about the perfidy of a President, or deceit. He worried a President would wrongly work with a foreign power.

Edmund Randolph was concerned a President would seek to profit from the office, would seek emoluments from the presidency.

George Mason was concerned a President would undermine an investigation into himself, or might interfere with the work and duty of electors.

3. The whistleblower testimony is not needed.

Trump confessed to impeachable activity through release of the call notes.

Mulvaney corroborated it with his presser.

Bill Taylor confirmed it factually.

Lt. Col. Vindman contextualized it all as undermining US national security.

Eisenberg hid the transcript in an ultra secure server, showing consciousness of guilt, obstructing justice and abusing power.
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Save all that and print it out and wave it at the TV on January 20th, 2021 as you watch Trump's second inauguration.

it will be fun watching trump get 4 more years and many democrats getting prison time for seditious and criminal behavior

oh snap...

https://www.thedailybeast.com/latest-impeachment-witness-i-wasnt-worried-that-trump-broke-the-law-with-ukraine-call/

oh snap...

https://www.thedailybeast.com/latest-impeachment-witness-i-wasnt-worried-that-trump-broke-the-law-with-ukraine-call/

oh snap

But other parts of Morrison’s opening statement did seem to bolster the idea that Trump was applying a pressure campaign on the Ukrainians through a non-official channel. Morrison noted that his predecessor, former national security official Fiona Hill, had told him that Sondland and the president’s personal lawyer Rudy Giuliani "were trying to get President Zelensky to reopen a Ukrainian investigation into Burisma.” Morrison went on to say that “At the time, I did not know what Burisma was or what the investigation entailed.”

“I did not understand why Ambassador Sondland would be involved in Ukraine policy,” he added.

so?

Asking for quid pro quo is illegal. Collision is illegal
Hiring a hitman illegal
Yelling fire in a theater illegal

No of these crimes require completion to be found guilty of a crime

Unless your a Republican the laws meaning and intent magically change.
To it was not completed so there can be no quid pro quo..
Yet if your name is Biden your guilty of corruption with no evidence no due process . All in attempt to deflect Trumps behavior a destroy any one who stands against him to include a decorated veteran Who just confirmed what we already know.
Republicans demanding there left out of the proceedings. when they are in the room , claim its unfair as it follows past hearings .. Just shows their willingness to lie present alternative facts so as not to upset the Dear leader and his worshipers
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Yet if your name is Biden your guilty of corruption with no evidence

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:rotflmao:

a decorated veteran Who just confirmed what we already know.


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that info was disputed yesterday....try to keep up

Unless your a Republican the laws meaning and intent magically change.

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there were actually a couple of dems that voted yesterday that would disagree with you

Collision is illegal


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if this is true, lots of democrats, media members and deep state hacks should/will be parading to prison :cheers:

Does that mean if the Dems can get a witness to say “the President committed impeachable offenses” then Trump is out because that’s basically your argument at this point. Try and keep up

The call is about 1% of the issue. Don’t lose sight of that, the Trumplicans will want you to. It’s ALL the pressure — by Rudy, Sondland, etc. for months and months. It’s Mulvaney. It’s the withholding of the $. It’s the firing of the Ambassador. It’s all of it. It’s all part of the quid pro quo aka conspiracy.
And: the issue IS NOT whether Ukraine felt “pressured” (although clearly they did). A politician can be guilty of attempted bribery by trying to bribe an undercover FBI agent who of course could never feel actually pressured. The intent that matters of the BRIBER not the BRIBEE.
And: Start to focus on the fact that Mitch McConnell kept asking the White House why the aid to Ukraine was being withheld and Mitch McConnell said that the White House would not tell him. Ummmmm ... if it was being withheld for a legit reason ... um ... why wouldn't they tell him?

Does that mean if the Dems can get a witness to say “the President committed impeachable offenses” then Trump is out because that’s basically your argument at this point. Try and keep up

The call is about 1% of the issue. Don’t lose sight of that, the Trumplicans will want you to. It’s ALL the pressure — by Rudy, Sondland, etc. for months and months. It’s Mulvaney. It’s the withholding of the $. It’s the firing of the Ambassador. It’s all of it. It’s all part of the quid pro quo.
And: the issue IS NOT whether Ukraine felt “pressured” (although clearly they did). A politician can be guilty of attempted bribery by trying to bribe an undercover FBI agent who of course could never feel actually pressured. The intent that matters of the BRIBER not the BRIBEE.
And: Start to focus on the fact that Mitch McConnell kept asking the White House why the aid to Ukraine was being withheld and Mitch McConnell said that the White House would not tell him. Ummmmm ... if it was being withheld for a legit reason ... um ... why wouldn't they tell him?

:screwy: hang in there

:screwy: hang in there
Mitch McConnell kept asking the White House why the aid to Ukraine was being withheld and Mitch McConnell said that the White House would not tell him. Ummmmm ... if it was being withheld for a legit reason ... um ... why wouldn't they tell him?:huh:

🍔
Nothing burger
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My judgment is that those House Republicans open to voting for impeachment simply decided to stick with the party yesterday, and to save their dissent for the real vote. No point telegraphing the jail break to the prison guards ahead of time.

Good for you PeteF, but as we have seen demonstrated in the past you have terrible judgement. Next...
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Asking for quid pro quo is illegal.
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Says who? That doesn't happen in politics every single day? Votes are paid for by favors every single day.

Trump administration who argued that current and former senior White House aides have "absolute immunity" from being questioned by House impeachment investigators.


can you say dictator

Says who? That doesn't happen in politics every single day? Votes are paid for by favors every single day.


guess you never heard of the casting couch

A POTUS asking a foreign leader to provide dirt on an opponent Via his personal lawyer (non elected or appointed ) or you wont get your Aid sure that happens every day in US politics

PS everyone on the planet says its a crime unless your a Trump supporter... then its no big deal :D

if this is true, lots of democrats, media members and deep state hacks should/will be parading to prison :cheers:

but as always you lack supporting evidence for your conclusion

guess you never heard of the casting couch

A POTUS asking a foreign leader to provide dirt on an opponent Via his personal lawyer (non elected or appointed ) or you wont get your Aid sure that happens every day in US politics

PS everyone on the planet says its a crime unless your a Trump supporter... then its no big deal :D

OK, casting couch is illegal.

But it's not illegal in politics, for one politician to tell anther, "I'll vote for your bill if you vote for my bill." That's also a quid pro quo, happens every single day.

guess you never heard of the casting couch

A POTUS asking a foreign leader to provide dirt on an opponent Via his personal lawyer (non elected or appointed ) or you wont get your Aid sure that happens every day in US politics

PS everyone on the planet says its a crime unless your a Trump supporter... then its no big deal :D

you are mischaracterizing the call as schiff did to suit your agenda...he was looking for evidence of crimes...as the democrats now claim to be doing...they won't find any but Barr and Durham will have a LONG list :D

but as always you lack supporting evidence for your conclusion

be patient

Rudy spilled the beans back in May about him and his client and who was receiving benefits.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/09/us/politics/giuliani-ukraine-trump.html

May 9: Giuliani tells The New York Times he will travel to Ukraine "in the coming days" to push for investigations that could help Trump. Giuliani says he hopes to meet with President-elect Zelenskiy to push for inquiries into the origins of the Russia investigation and the Bidens' involvement with Burisma.

"We're not meddling in an election, we're meddling in an investigation, which we have a right to do," Giuliani tells the Times.

"There's nothing illegal about it," he says. "Somebody could say it's improper. And this isn't foreign policy — I'm asking them to do an investigation that they're doing already and that other people are telling them to stop. And I'm going to give them reasons why they shouldn't stop it because that information will be very, very helpful to my client and may turn out to be helpful to my government."

Trump administration who argued that current and former senior White House aides have "absolute immunity" from being questioned by House impeachment investigators.


can you say dictator


LOL


https://www.judicialwatch.org/corruption-chronicles/obama-asserts-fast-furious-executive-privilege-claim-holders-wife-2/

Rudy spilled the beans back in May about him and his client and who was receiving benefits.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/09/us/politics/giuliani-ukraine-trump.html

May 9: Giuliani tells The New York Times he will travel to Ukraine "in the coming days" to push for investigations that could help Trump. Giuliani says he hopes to meet with President-elect Zelenskiy to push for inquiries into the origins of the Russia investigation and the Bidens' involvement with Burisma.

"We're not meddling in an election, we're meddling in an investigation, which we have a right to do," Giuliani tells the Times.

"There's nothing illegal about it," he says. "Somebody could say it's improper. And this isn't foreign policy — I'm asking them to do an investigation that they're doing already and that other people are telling them to stop. And I'm going to give them reasons why they shouldn't stop it because that information will be very, very helpful to my client and may turn out to be helpful to my government."

So Rudy is trying to help Trump do his job to the best of his ability, which in turn, if the investigation turns up sufficient evidence, could be helpful to our government in rooting out corruption, which could go a long way to preventing it in the future.

Good to know that Rudy is being helpful in such a good cause.

If they didn’t hold the funding hostage it would have been just sleazy.
But they did
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LOL


https://www.judicialwatch.org/corruption-chronicles/obama-asserts-fast-furious-executive-privilege-claim-holders-wife-2/

Wow 20 letters .. looks like your in the crowd some how they are the same .executive privilege and Absolute immunity are not the same.. but but Obama
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.. but but Obama
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How come it's not valid to ask why Trump is obviously being held to a different standard than Obama? Instead of responding with "but Obama", how about either admitting that there is a double standard, or kindly explaining why the specific comparison isn't valid?

"But Obama" is a lazy excuse for small people who know they've been caught in hypocrisy, but won't admit it. That's all it is...

. looks like your in the crowd some how they are the same .executive privilege and Absolute immunity are not the same.. but but Obama

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don't forget absolute privilege and executive immunity

If they didn’t hold the funding hostage it would have been just sleazy.
But they did
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They didn't.

They didn't.

shhhhh...he's on a roll

They did, you can be incompetent and still be guilty
Given the breaking news about govt lawyers John Eisenberg & maybe Michael Ellis allegedly helping cover up Trump's crimes...
it's a good time to remember both of Nixon's AGs and 6 other govt lawyers were convicted of crimes related to cover-ups:
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They did, you can be incompetent and still be guilty
Given the breaking news about govt lawyers John Eisenberg & maybe Michael Ellis allegedly helping cover up Trump's crimes...
it's a good time to remember both of Nixon's AGs and 6 other govt lawyers were convicted of crimes related to cover-ups:
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I they withheld the aid, what was the trigger that incentivized them to release the aid? Did the investigate Biden?

They did, you can be incompetent and still be guilty
Given the breaking news about govt lawyers John Eisenberg & maybe Michael Ellis allegedly helping cover up Trump's crimes...
it's a good time to remember both of Nixon's AGs and 6 other govt lawyers were convicted of crimes related to cover-ups:
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We been having "breaking news" allegations about Trump for four years. Is this the big one?

And no, they didn't.

We been having "breaking news" allegations about Trump for four years. Is this the big one?

And no, they didn't.

breaking news! Rachael Maddow has his tax return!

breaking news! buzzfeed says trump told Cohen to lie under oath!

now, impeach the motherf*cker.
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I they withheld the aid, what was the trigger that incentivized them to release the aid? Did the investigate Biden?
You could try that after you offered a cop a bribe, wouldn’t work in that case either
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You could try that after you offered a cop a bribe, wouldn’t work in that case either
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No bribe was offered.

I they withheld the aid, what was the trigger that incentivized them to release the aid?
Likely all the people rushing to legal council with what they were witnessing.
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A prosecutors explanation

Conspiracies are often caught and punished severely before they are completed. And interestingly, to be liable for a conspiracy, one need only have been part of the agreement to commit a crime and committed an overt act (however small) in furtherance of it.
In other words, the question that the law looks to isn’t “What was the outcome?” (though that might be relevant in sentencing), it’s “What was your state of mind/intent?” and “What actions did you undertake that manifest this intent?”
This is the right approach, because otherwise criminals who had the most nefarious goals would get off lightly simply because law enforcement was good at their job, or because someone helped thwart it, or simply because they were too dumb to get away with it!
The question for Trump, therefore, isn’t whether his plan “worked.” It’s what he hoped to achieve (coerce a country for election assistance; generate propaganda about a sham investigation; use money appropriated by Congress as personal leverage)
He also took numerous steps to achieve this goal, beyond the phone call: ordered aid withheld; made it clear to subordinates that he wanted “deliverables”; directed Ukraine to deal with his personal lawyer; had his team draft a statement for Zelensky to deliver.
Minimizing the severity of Trump’s actions is an attempt to 1) narrow the focus to *only* the phone call (ignoring everything before and after); and 2) looking at the results, rather than commission, of the crime(s). Doesn’t work that way.
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You could try that after you offered a cop a bribe, wouldn’t work in that case either
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i’m asking a question. if the aid was originally withheld, what made them eventually hand over the aid?
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Likely all the people rushing to legal council with what they were witnessing.
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“likely”. so you don’t know, but know he should be removed from office for it.
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i’m asking a question. if the aid was originally withheld, what made them eventually hand over the aid?
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Doesn’t matter, crime was already committed.
That’s the reason you have people testifying, even though the WH told them not to
They don’t want to be part of the conspiracy.
Two choices
A. Try and convince the electorate that it’s perfectly acceptable to withhold authorized funds for a personal benefit.
B. Show that you objected to the abuse of power or didn’t know about it.
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Doesn’t matter, crime was already committed.
That’s the reason you have people testifying, even though the WH told them not to
They don’t want to be part of the conspiracy.
Two choices
A. Try and convince the electorate that it’s perfectly acceptable to withhold authorized funds for a personal benefit.
B. Show that you objected to the abuse of power or didn’t know about it.
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"Doesn’t matter,"

So you don't know either, got it.

"crime was already committed." If threatening to withhold foreign aid unless the recipient does what you want is a crime, explain why Biden didn't commit a crime, for what he bragged about in front of the cameras?

Or was that not the crime you refer to?

A prosecutors explanation

Conspiracies are often caught and punished severely before they are completed. And interestingly, to be liable for a conspiracy, one need only have been part of the agreement to commit a crime and committed an overt act (however small) in furtherance of it.
In other words, the question that the law looks to isn’t “What was the outcome?” (though that might be relevant in sentencing), it’s “What was your state of mind/intent?” and “What actions did you undertake that manifest this intent?”
This is the right approach, because otherwise criminals who had the most nefarious goals would get off lightly simply because law enforcement was good at their job, or because someone helped thwart it, or simply because they were too dumb to get away with it!
The question for Trump, therefore, isn’t whether his plan “worked.” It’s what he hoped to achieve (coerce a country for election assistance; generate propaganda about a sham investigation; use money appropriated by Congress as personal leverage)
He also took numerous steps to achieve this goal, beyond the phone call: ordered aid withheld; made it clear to subordinates that he wanted “deliverables”; directed Ukraine to deal with his personal lawyer; had his team draft a statement for Zelensky to deliver.
Minimizing the severity of Trump’s actions is an attempt to 1) narrow the focus to *only* the phone call (ignoring everything before and after); and 2) looking at the results, rather than commission, of the crime(s). Doesn’t work that way.
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As I said before re the Mueller report wherein he did not state that there was sufficient evidence to indict for obstruction. Nothing was proven to be obstructed. And the investigation showed that there was no underlying crime. So an intent to commit an illegal act would have to be proved. But if Trump's state of mind was that he knew he didn't commit conspiracy, then it would be very difficult, if not impossible, to show intent to commit a crime.

Same would apply here. If Trump believed that asking Ukraine to investigate (which he had a legal right to do) would help to expose corruption, and no underlying crime was proven to have occurred, (remember as well That Zelensky said he was not pressured and didn't know about the aid being withheld at the time of the call and that Trump said it was for other reasons), then it would be very difficult to prove an intent to commit a criminal act.

the "smoking gun" tape ensuring Nixon's impeachment was an order by him to have the CIA impede the FBI investigation into Watergate burglaries. The CIA didn't follow through; the FBI investigation continued. RN's request alone was (rightly) deemed corrupt enough.
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"Doesn’t matter,"

So you don't know either, got it.

"crime was already committed." If threatening to withhold foreign aid unless the recipient does what you want is a crime, explain why Biden didn't commit a crime, for what he bragged about in front of the cameras?

Or was that not the crime you refer to?

People ranging from former Obama administration officials to an anti-corruption advocate in Ukraine say the official, Viktor Shokin, was ousted for the opposite reason Trump and his allies claim.

It wasn't because Shokin was investigating a natural gas company tied to Biden's son; it was because Shokin wasn't pursuing corruption among the country's politicians, according to a Ukrainian official and four former American officials who specialized in Ukraine and Europe.
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People ranging from former Obama administration officials to an anti-corruption advocate in Ukraine say the official, Viktor Shokin, was ousted for the opposite reason Trump and his allies claim.

It wasn't because Shokin was investigating a natural gas company tied to Biden's son; it was because Shokin wasn't pursuing corruption among the country's politicians, according to a Ukrainian official and four former American officials who specialized in Ukraine and Europe.
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lotta people on the Burisma payroll apparently

lotta people on the Burisma payroll apparently

🍑🤡
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People ranging from former Obama administration officials to an anti-corruption advocate in Ukraine say the official, Viktor Shokin, was ousted for the opposite reason Trump and his allies claim.

It wasn't because Shokin was investigating a natural gas company tied to Biden's son; it was because Shokin wasn't pursuing corruption among the country's politicians, according to a Ukrainian official and four former American officials who specialized in Ukraine and Europe.
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doesn’t come close to answering the question i asked.

do you need me to repeat it? if withholding aid as leverage to get a foreign power to do what you want, is a crime, how can you deny that biden committed the same crime?
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doesn’t come close to answering the question i asked.

do you need me to repeat it? if withholding aid as leverage to get a foreign power to do what you want, is a crime, how can you deny that biden committed the same crime?
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What benefit did he receive?
Did he receive assistance from a foreign government in our elections
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What benefit did he receive?
Did he receive assistance from a foreign government in our elections
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his son may have benefitted enormously.

and if ukraine investigates biden, wed all benefit. some people
may not feel this way when politics is concerned, but there's value in learning truth.

think of it this way, if the ukrainians investigated biden and found that the biden’s did nothing wrong, then what does trump gain? zilch. it makes trump look stupid.

make that wrong.
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What benefit did he receive?
Did he receive assistance from a foreign government in our elections
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and biden did benefit, he was able to brag in front of cameras, very trump-like actually, about how he flexed his muscles and got a guy fired. it gave biden something to put on his resume
and brag about, which he did.

biden benefitted in political capital, just as trump would have if biden was investigated and found to be corrupt.

they all do things that benefit themselves politically. it’s only problematic when trump does it.

you can’t win this, not based on what we now know.
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the "smoking gun" tape ensuring Nixon's impeachment was an order by him to have the CIA impede the FBI investigation into Watergate burglaries. The CIA didn't follow through; the FBI investigation continued. RN's request alone was (rightly) corrupt enough.
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This is a switch from criminal prosecution to which your "prosecutor's explanation" referred, to impeachment. Criminal standards and impeachment "standards" (if there are any), as they are currently practiced, are not the same.

And Trump wasn't asking Ukraine to impede an investigation, but to conduct one.

CHRIS WALLACE: Aid was released 2 days after the IG informed the House about the whistleblower. It wasn't released until the story was out

KELLYANNE CONWAY: You're trying to make that causation. It may be coincidence

CW: You really think that's a coincidence?

KC: ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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and biden did benefit, he was able to brag in front of cameras, very trump-like actually, about how he flexed his muscles and got a guy fired. it gave biden something to put on his resume
and brag about, which he did.

biden benefitted in political capital, just as trump would have if biden was investigated and found to be corrupt.

they all do things that benefit themselves politically. it’s only problematic when trump does it.

you can’t win this, not based on what we now know.
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Biden did it in public all in the open with support from Congress and allies
Trump did it in private with a backchannel investigation and made a phone call that even Bolton was wound about and numerous people said was wrong and refused to tell Congress why the aid was being held
You don’t have a prayer
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Biden did it in public all in the open with support from Congress and allies
Trump did it in private with a backchannel investigation and made a phone call that even Bolton was wound about and numerous people said was wrong and refused to tell Congress why the aid was being held
You don’t have a prayer
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You're getting more and more desperate to differentiate. Here's what you are currently saying. You're saying it's OK to withhold aid to get a foreign power to do something that benefits you, as long as you do it in the open. But doing it behind closed doors, is an impeachable offense. Do I have that right? You're the first person I've heard say that. Everyone in DC is saying that the quid pro quo itself was impeachable, never mind that Biden obviously did it too.

I don't need to have a prayer, I'm not that married to either side. No matter what happens, I'm not going to have a breakdown.

But let's clarify, hen you say I don't have a prayer, what do you mean - that he's going to get removed from office?

You're getting more and more desperate to differentiate. Here's what you are currently saying. You're saying it's OK to withhold aid to get a foreign power to do something that benefits you, as long as you do it in the open. But doing it behind closed doors, is an impeachable offense. Do I have that right? You're the first person I've heard say that. Everyone in DC is saying that the quid pro quo itself was impeachable, never mind that Biden obviously did it too.

I don't need to have a prayer, I'm not that married to either side. No matter what happens, I'm not going to have a breakdown.

But let's clarify, hen you say I don't have a prayer, what do you mean - that he's going to get removed from office?
If you think those two are equal, he really could shoot someone on 5th Avenue. More and more people will tell the truth or “flip” as Trump calls it.
If you think he is thought of as a desirable President by the majority of the Republican Senators you don’t understand politicians. They all know there’s more there there.
He will be Impeached and convicted in the Senate.
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🍔🙅🏿#^&♂️
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🍑🤡
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CHRIS WALLACE: Aid was released 2 days after the IG informed the House about the whistleblower. It wasn't released until the story was out

KELLYANNE CONWAY: You're trying to make that causation. It may be coincidence

CW: You really think that's a coincidence?

KC: ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Consciousness of guilty.

Sleaziest admin. in our lifetime.

any president inviting a foreign government to interfere in an election.

Not sure what part of this Trump supporters dont accept

Its like being on Tinder and telling your. Wife whats the problem we only talked.. which may be100% accurate.. but OMG what a pathetic defense..

Just like they eventually got the money.. whats the big deal. Yet ignoring why is was with held to start with.. and why congress wasnt aware of it being with held.
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And Trump is saying that the WB id should be revealed - telling people to break the law.

Cesspool.

better get you prescriptions filled and buckle in for 4 more years...:shocked:

better get you prescriptions filled and buckle in for 4 more years...:shocked:

I did take an aleve yesterday for a stiff neck after a long bike ride. 1st pill I think I've taken in about 10 years other than vitamins. Gonna start w/centrum silver soon:wave:

Your right in that if the economy holds up, Trump may win another term.

If you think those two are equal, he really could shoot someone on 5th Avenue. More and more people will tell the truth or “flip” as Trump calls it.
If you think he is thought of as a desirable President by the majority of the Republican Senators you don’t understand politicians. They all know there’s more there there.
He will be Impeached and convicted in the Senate.
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you dodged my question. one does that when they know they’ve backed themselves into a corner.

you stated that the difference was that biden did it ( “it” being, threatening to withhold aid to get a foreign power to do something which would benefit him politically, in the open), while trump
did it privately. your words, not mine.
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you dodged my question. one does that when they know they’ve backed themselves into a corner.

you stated that the difference was that biden did it ( “it” being, threatening to withhold aid to get a foreign power to do something which would benefit him politically, in the open), while trump
did it privately. your words, not mine.
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I didn't dodge your question, you just cannot accept that the Con man did anything wrong.

The difference is Trump committed Extortion, Bribery and Abuse of Power by using the money appropriated by Congress to try and get dirt on his opponent and has demonstrated consciousness of guilt by engaging in a coverup and other examples of obstruction.

Biden did his job.

Was there an attempted coverup?
Why was the file hidden in a secret server?
Why was Vindman told not to discuss the call?
Why did the OGC feel it necessary to hide the conversation?
Why was the aid released 2 days after the whistleblower report was made and very shortly after the IG went to the OGC with the report?

Then name one piece of “false information” in the whistleblower complaint. One.

Now Trump's retreat is falling back from Biden did it also, to alternative facts.

Trump's new demand that Rs falsify congressional testimony shows how his propaganda works:

1) Trump/Rs claim that witnesses testified in private collapsed

2) When transcripts show that's BS, media has moved on

3) Trump/Rs are directed to substitute a set of lies, there's a tweet for that

Now his latest idea is to threaten to shut down the Government.
Threatening that unless Congress stops impeaching you is exactly the kind of behavior one should be impeached for.

The facade and walls of the malignant narcissist deranged conman are crumbling, piece by piece.

I didn't dodge your question, you just cannot accept that the Con man did anything wrong.

The difference is Trump committed Extortion, Bribery and Abuse of Power by using the money appropriated by Congress to try and get dirt on his opponent and has demonstrated consciousness of guilt by engaging in a coverup and other examples of obstruction.

Biden did his job.

Was there an attempted coverup?
Why was the file hidden in a secret server?
Why was Vindman told not to discuss the call?
Why did the OGC feel it necessary to hide the conversation?
Why was the aid released 2 days after the whistleblower report was made and very shortly after the IG went to the OGC with the report?

Then name one piece of “false information” in the whistleblower complaint. One.

Now Trump's retreat is falling back from Biden did it also, to alternative facts.

Trump's new demand that Rs falsify congressional testimony shows how his propaganda works:

1) Trump/Rs claim that witnesses testified in private collapsed

2) When transcripts show that's BS, media has moved on

3) Trump/Rs are directed to substitute a set of lies, there's a tweet for that

Now his latest idea is to threaten to shut down the Government.
Threatening that unless Congress stops impeaching you is exactly the kind of behavior one should be impeached for.

The facade and walls of the malignant narcissist deranged conman are crumbling, piece by piece.

You've compiled a very impressive list of talking points. You're very good at that.

I didn't dodge your question, you just cannot accept that the Con man did anything wrong.

The difference is Trump committed Extortion, Bribery and Abuse of Power by using the money appropriated by Congress to try and get dirt on his opponent and has demonstrated consciousness of guilt by engaging in a coverup and other examples of obstruction.

Biden did his job.

Was there an attempted coverup?
Why was the file hidden in a secret server?
Why was Vindman told not to discuss the call?
Why did the OGC feel it necessary to hide the conversation?
Why was the aid released 2 days after the whistleblower report was made and very shortly after the IG went to the OGC with the report?

Then name one piece of “false information” in the whistleblower complaint. One.

Now Trump's retreat is falling back from Biden did it also, to alternative facts.

Trump's new demand that Rs falsify congressional testimony shows how his propaganda works:

1) Trump/Rs claim that witnesses testified in private collapsed

2) When transcripts show that's BS, media has moved on

3) Trump/Rs are directed to substitute a set of lies, there's a tweet for that

Now his latest idea is to threaten to shut down the Government.
Threatening that unless Congress stops impeaching you is exactly the kind of behavior one should be impeached for.

The facade and walls of the malignant narcissist deranged conman are crumbling, piece by piece.

first you dodged, now you’re
moving the goalposts. last time you said trump was only wrong because he committed his extortion behind closed doors. now you’re changing you tune.

trump and biden each extorted a foreign power to get said power to do something that would help them
politically.

you can’t make that wrong. you cannot.
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any president inviting a foreign government to interfere in an election.

Interesting. Investigating corruption interferes with an election. I suppose that depends on your personal definition of "interferes."

Not sure what part of this Trump supporters dont accept

I don't "support" Trump, but I do support the defeat of Progressivism, Socialism, and Communism. In that respect, I support the defeat of the Democrats. And I probably don't accept your definition of "interfere." But not sure what you mean by that word.

Its like being on Tinder and telling your. Wife whats the problem we only talked.. which may be100% accurate.. but OMG what a pathetic defense..

Again, interesting. You're a very interesting person with very interesting ideas. The President of the U.S. talking to the President of Ukraine and making a legal request is like being on Tinder.

And didn't know that Trump "defended" his conversation by saying that they only talked.

Just like they eventually got the money.. whats the big deal. Yet ignoring why is was with held to start with.. and why congress wasnt aware of it being with held.


Exactly. They got the money. So Zelensky doesn't have to conduct the investigation. He's got the money. And Trump made it known why the money was withheld. And he spoke to at least one Congressman about it.

first you dodged, now you’re
moving the goalposts. last time you said trump was only wrong because he committed his extortion behind closed doors. now you’re changing you tune.

trump and biden each extorted a foreign power to get said power to do something that would help them
politically.

you can’t make that wrong. you cannot.
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My tune has never changed, it's just that Trump is so corrupt that it is hard to keep track of all his egregious actions.

What benefit did Trump's employers (the people) receive for his pursuit of the investigation of Biden?
If this was of benefit to the citizens of the United States Trump's attempt to do the following things would be explained in what manner to paraphrase you as "right"? you cannot.

Why was there an attempted coverup?
Why was the file hidden in a secret server?
Why was Vindman told not to discuss the call?
Why did the OGC feel it necessary to hide the conversation?
Why was the aid released 2 days after the whistleblower report was made and very shortly after the IG went to the OGC with the report?
Show one instance where the Trump administration was concerned about corruption that didn't involve a political opponent.

If there are correct, or noble reasons to do this it is easily explained and sunlight would show that there was no issue, however the WH is stonewalling the investigation in every way possible.

If the White House were confident that the soon-to-be-released impeachment inquiry transcripts would exonerate Trump, he wouldn't be panicking.

If the White House were confident that the soon-to-be-released impeachment inquiry transcripts would exonerate Trump, he wouldn't be panicking.

So, going in, the assumption is that Trump is guilty. No doubt that a well choreographed inquiry specifically composed to produce a picture of that assumption is soon-to-be-released.

My tune has never changed, it's just that Trump is so corrupt that it is hard to keep track of all his egregious actions.

What benefit did Trump's employers (the people) receive for his pursuit of the investigation of Biden?
If this was of benefit to the citizens of the United States Trump's attempt to do the following things would be explained in what manner to paraphrase you as "right"? you cannot.

Why was there an attempted coverup?
Why was the file hidden in a secret server?
Why was Vindman told not to discuss the call?
Why did the OGC feel it necessary to hide the conversation?
Why was the aid released 2 days after the whistleblower report was made and very shortly after the IG went to the OGC with the report?
Show one instance where the Trump administration was concerned about corruption that didn't involve a political opponent.

If there are correct, or noble reasons to do this it is easily explained and sunlight would show that there was no issue, however the WH is stonewalling the investigation in every way possible.

the benefit we’d receive from investigating the biden’s, is the learning the truth about what they did there. if trump requested an investigation, and it turned out Biden didn’t do
anything, trump would look stupid. he had nothing to gain from a phony investigation that didn’t conclude wrongdoing.

yes you’re changing your tune.
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the benefit we’d receive from investigating the biden’s, is the learning the truth about what they did there. if trump requested an investigation, and it turned out Biden didn’t do
anything, trump would look stupid. he had nothing to gain from a phony investigation that didn’t conclude wrongdoing.

yes you’re changing your tune.
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I never said Trump wasn't stupid, stupidity is not a valid defense. He may get away with incompetence as a defense.

We as the government of the people, by the people, for the people investigate things all the time. We have laws, rules, regulations and people to do that and it is done every day. The FBI and CIA have no equal in the world.

Instead of learning how to manage the bureaucracy, Trump prefers to make an end-run around them. That’s what got him into trouble in Ukraine, where Rudy Giuliani was running a parallel foreign policy outside the normal channels in order to promote a conspiracy theory that the professionals in the bureaucracy refused to embrace.

Here's the link for the first two transcripts (not Memos) of witness testimony.

https://intelligence.house.gov/news/documentsingle.aspx?DocumentID=757

It will all play out, though you won't read it just like the Mueller Report.

So, going in, the assumption is that Trump is guilty. No doubt that a well choreographed inquiry specifically composed to produce a picture of that assumption is soon-to-be-released.

The first transcripts are out.

https://intelligence.house.gov/news/documentsingle.aspx?DocumentID=757

Perhaps you can read them while listening to this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5npBnIqnRdg

So here is a shocker,PeteF thinks he has uncovered yet even more evidence of wrongdoing by Trump. Thank you for sharing this nothing burger. I am confident it will leave you confused as usual.
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The first transcripts are out.

https://intelligence.house.gov/news/documentsingle.aspx?DocumentID=757


The full transcripts were not shown. Only selected excerpts. Selected by whom? Were any of the selected questions asked by Republicans?

I tried to pour through the Yovanovitch selections which were opinions of her perceptions. I couldn't submit myself to try the selected excerpts of McKinley. Like I said, well choreographed.

Exactly. They got the money. So Zelensky doesn't have to conduct the investigation. He's got the money. And Trump made it known why the money was withheld. And he spoke to at least one Congressman about it.

Wow nice kool aid moustache
Completion of the quid pro quo is irrelevant.

Trump's attorneys claim that as president, he is immune from criminal investigation

Got a comment on that postition ?
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Wow nice kool aid moustache
Completion of the quid pro quo is irrelevant.

Trump's attorneys claim that as president, he is immune from criminal investigation

Got a comment on that postition ?
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There is no point in making a comment to you. I have learned that you are immune from my comments.

Keep in mind
Trump is a genius but you can't see his grades
Trump is healthy but you can't see his medical report
Trump is rich but you can't see his tax returns
Trump is innocent but you can't see the unedited transcript
Trump is honest but you can't question the White House lawyers
Good luck with that
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=osQtwSgd1l4

Well since her 2nd and 3rd points are incorrect
I’ll say she’s full of ..it
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Well since her 2nd and 3rd points are incorrect
I’ll say she’s full of ..it
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2nd point may be a stretch, and 3rd is in dispute. First point is OK and I like the rest of the video. I didn't expect you to approve.

BTW, your five "Trump is" points that we are supposed to keep in mind are full of ..it.

And again, it's obvious that the whistleleaker wasn't motivated by an overarching concern for the nation, he was concerned that his involvement and coordination with DNC operative Alexandra Chalupa would be exposed by any investigation into the in Ukraine interference in our 2016 election, which is directly attributable to Chalupa's actions (https://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/ukraine-sabotage-trump-backfire-233446).

It is obvious that the whistleleaker was given a readout of the call by Vindman. After Vindman admitted he gave multiple people copies of the readout, Rep. Jordan asked him who he gave copies to; Schiff immediately shut down questioning and ordered Vindman not to answer, claiming the identity of the whistleleaker was at risk.

Vindman was the genesis of all this and his stated motivation, that he was, "deeply troubled by what he interpreted as an attempt by the President to subvert U.S. foreign policy" is either a ruse or an act of insubordination.

Doesn't this dumb clerk understand that the President is the sole authority to establish and implement US foreign policy? Whatever Vindman's subjective characterization is of the President's performance during the call, Vindman's opinion of it is of zero consequence or importance.

Vindman's actions, by sharing the "troubles" he had with the call, was and is the real subversion of US foreign policy. That he shared the classified readout of the call with other (yet unnamed) subversives, should be treated as the criminal offense it is, under both civilian law and the UCMJ.


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To top it all off, nothing the President did was a crime. The US and Ukraine have a treaty to cooperate to investigate crime and Ukraine is compelled to assist when asked . . .

https://www.congress.gov/treaty-document/106th-congress/16/document-text


"The Treaty covers mutual legal assistance in criminal matters. In recent years, similar bilateral treaties have entered into force with a number of other countries. The Treaty with Ukraine contains all essential provisions sought by the United States. It will enhance our ability to investigate and prosecute a range of offenses. The Treaty is designed to be self-executing and will not require new legislation.

Article 1 sets forth a non-exclusive list of the major types of assistance to be provided under the Treaty, including taking the testimony or statements of persons; providing documents, records and other items of evidence; locating or identifying persons or items; serving documents; transferring persons in custody for testimony or other purposes; executing requests for searches and seizures; assisting in proceedings related to immobilization and forfeiture of assets, restitution, and collection of fines; and, rendering any other form of assistance not prohibited by the laws of the Requested State. The scope of the Treaty includes not only criminal offenses, but also proceedings related to criminal matters, which may be civil or administrative in nature.

Article 1(3) states that assistance shall be provided without regard to whether the conduct involved would constitute an offense under the laws of the Requested State."

The following website, -- https://www.globallegalinsights.com/practice-areas/bribery-and-corruption-laws-and-regulations/ukraine -- explains the legal action of the treaty, especially as it relates to corruption investigations.


That site does not allow copy and paste, a screenshot of pertinent passage follows:


https://i.postimg.cc/1zqqgQLK/Ukraine-Treaty.jpg



Ukraine is required to assist upon request . . . The President of the United States made that request to the President of Ukraine.

It's ironic that Ukraine's "Anti-Corruption Bureau" was established with he assistance of Quid Pro Joe Biden.

And just for fun, let's assume the House does vote out articles and it goes to the Senate . . . Perhaps Quid Pro Joe will be called to testify for the defense, as to his perceived need for Ukraine's Anti-Corruption Bureau and what he believed its powers to be and the requirements for cooperation demanded by the above mentioned treaty.



Just for fun, Quid Pro Joe could be asked if he believes the actions of Burisma, as it relates to his son, would be of interest to Ukraine's Anti-Corruption Bureau as he contemplated it. Now that would be worth watching!


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The full transcripts were not shown. Only selected excerpts. Selected by whom? Were any of the selected questions asked by Republicans?

I tried to pour through the Yovanovitch selections which were opinions of her perceptions. I couldn't submit myself to try the selected excerpts of McKinley. Like I said, well choreographed.

I downloaded both full transcripts with no issue.

"It's ironic that Ukraine's "Anti-Corruption Bureau" was established with he assistance of Quid Pro Joe Biden."

What's ironic is that the only corruption the Trump administration is concerned with involves political opponents.

Since its first days in office, the Trump administration has exhibited indifference—and at times hostility—toward anti-corruption efforts in U.S. foreign policy. Less than a month after his inauguration, for example, President Trump signed into law a measure repealing a 2010 Obama-era regulation that imposed transparency on the oil and gas industry, a sector that has historically been at very high risk for graft. In the lead-up to the passage of this measure, former Sen. #^&#^&#^&#^& Lugar (R-IN)—a sponsor of the 2010 law authorizing the regulation—warned that repeal would mean “undoing a clear act of moral leadership, turning our back on corruption. This would betray our own principles and severely undercut our allies in Europe and Canada. It would cost countless lives over the long run and harm our security.”

Trump’s early action was a portent of things to come. Over the past three years, the White House has slashed funding for vital foreign assistance programs, allowed strongmen to quash popular anti-corruption initiatives, and either ignored or threatened to undercut multilateral transparency initiatives. Even worse, officials have actively ignored massive corruption when politically convenient, such as when Secretary of State Mike Pompeo praised the government of Guatemala despite its recent expulsion of an anti-corruption body or when Trump commended the corrupt governments of Egypt, Turkey, Russia, and Honduras. The administration has even sought to cut the budget of the critical State Department’s Bureau of International Narcotics and Law Enforcement Affairs, which is tasked with anti-corruption policy, by around 40 percent for the upcoming fiscal year.

This retreat from anti-corruption policies has been paralleled by the president’s unprecedented use of his official position to enrich himself, his family, and his friends. After his election, President Trump refused to divest from his businesses and instead gave control to his sons, a move that transparency advocates question. Foreign officials and corporations have regularly booked rooms in Trump hotels, in what may amount to public attempts to ingratiate themselves with the president. Trump has also used his private properties to conduct official government business, and his administration has announced that the next G-7 summit will be held at Trump’s resort in Doral, Florida, before reversing the decision amid public outcry. He faces three ongoing federal lawsuits for violations of the emoluments clause, which prohibits U.S. officials from receiving gifts or payments from foreign officials. Yet, even U.S. officials have used Trump’s properties for questionable reasons, including up to 40 trips to his Scottish resort taken by members of the U.S. Air Force.

I downloaded both full transcripts with no issue.

May be a problem with my computer. Tried your link again and just got blank pages or a not found notice for full transcripts. But if the full are like the selected for Yovanovitch, I doubt there is conclusive substance. Mostly perception.

"It's ironic that Ukraine's "Anti-Corruption Bureau" was established with he assistance of Quid Pro Joe Biden."

What's ironic is that the only corruption the Trump administration is concerned with involves political opponents.


Ironic like the only corruption your concerned with is Trump.

Ironic like the only corruption your concerned with is Trump.

CAN YOU SAY POTUS..

Or all corruption is equal ..
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CAN YOU SAY POTUS..

Or all corruption is equal ..
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it’s not all equal, but even non-trump corruption is worth looking at, at least to most people.

WDMSO, they were chanting “impeach the morherf*cker” from day one. i’m not saying he’s innocent, but i’m saying they are never going to stop digging, whether there’s reasonable cause or not.
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CAN YOU SAY POTUS..

Or all corruption is equal ..
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We no longer have co-equal branches of government? Corruption in opposition to POTUS is less important than corruption of POTUS? Corruption is not important if it is "not as"?

Are you the judge of what is not as important?

Corruption in our political leaders, whether they are Presidents, Senators, Vice Presidents, judges, bureaucrats, is important to root out and eliminate. President is a temporary office. Career politicians and bureaucrats and judges are here far longer and have a far greater cumulative effect in terms of corruption or otherwise.

Ironic like the only corruption your concerned with is Trump.

Plenty of it, and it is not hard to find.

All you have to do is look at what Trump whines/projects about and there it is in his administration.

Libertarians, constitutional conservatives, and classical liberals believe in protecting whistleblowers to expose government corruption. Trump Republicans believe in exposing whistleblowers to protect government corruption.

We no longer have co-equal branches of government? Corruption in opposition to POTUS is less important than corruption of POTUS? Corruption is not important if it is "not as"?

Are you the judge of what is not as important?

Corruption in our political leaders, whether they are Presidents, Senators, Vice Presidents, judges, bureaucrats, is important to root out and eliminate. President is a temporary office. Career politicians and bureaucrats and judges are here far longer and have a far greater cumulative effect in terms of corruption or otherwise.

right. potential corruption behind efforts to un-do a fair presidential election, nothing to see there.
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Plenty of it, and it is not hard to find.

All you have to do is look at what Trump whines/projects about and there it is in his administration.

Libertarians, constitutional conservatives, and classical liberals believe in protecting whistleblowers to expose government corruption. Trump Republicans believe in exposing whistleblowers to protect government corruption.

As I said, "Ironic like the only corruption your concerned with is Trump."

right. potential corruption behind efforts to un-do a fair presidential election, nothing to see there.
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Impeachment is not undoing an election.

What would the result be if the election was "undone"?

What will the result be when Trump is impeached and tried and convicted in the Senate?

Impeachment is not undoing an election.

What would the result be if the election was "undone"?

What will the result be when Trump is impeached and tried and convicted in the Senate?

"Impeachment is not undoing an election"

It might be, when the losing side has decided on impeachment before the inauguration. It might be, if (big "if") they used the DOJ to improperly violate the rights of a US citizen, for the purposes of hurting the Trump campaign. If Durham and the IG conclude there was noting fishy there, I'm fine with that and can let it go.

"What would the result be if the election was "undone"?"
That the man they hate with irrational intensity (a subject with which we all believe you are familiar), won't be POTUS anymore. But we elected him.

"What will the result be when Trump is impeached and tried and convicted in the Senate?"

Based on what we know at this time? How much would you like to bet that the senate does not convict, not unless another bombshell is revealed? No sane person thinks that will happen.

"Impeachment is not undoing an election"

It might be, when the losing side has decided on impeachment before the inauguration. It might be, if (big "if") they used the DOJ to improperly violate the rights of a US citizen, for the purposes of hurting the Trump campaign. If Durham and the IG conclude there was noting fishy there, I'm fine with that and can let it go.

"What would the result be if the election was "undone"?"
That the man they hate with irrational intensity (a subject with which we all believe you are familiar), won't be POTUS anymore. But we elected him.

There is nothing in the Constitution about how an election is undone, so what are you talking about?

"What will the result be when Trump is impeached and tried and convicted in the Senate?"

Based on what we know at this time? How much would you like to bet that the senate does not convict, not unless another bombshell is revealed? No sane person thinks that will happen.

While I am glad to see that you admit that the memo of the phone call was a bombshell, why would you think that no sane person thinks that another bombshell could not be lurking?

Impeachment is not the undoing of an election.
It is the remedy provided in the Constitution for an unfit President.
In every prior impeachment the Presidents followers cried the same tale as the Trumplicans are now.

Impeachment came about as a tool for a problem other than unpopularity: unfitness. “If he be not impeachable whilst in office,” William Davie told his fellow delegates on July 20 about the proposed president, “he will spare no efforts or means whatever to get himself re-elected.” In Trump's case this has been very evident. Delegates’ arguments throughout the convention against an impeachment process, including the claim that a reelection of a president would be “sufficient proof of his innocence,” were rejected. Benjamin Franklin even argued that assassination had often been the only recourse for unfit leaders when policies lacked an impeachment process. “It [would] be the best way therefore,” he said, “to provide in the Constitution for the regular punishment of the Executive when his misconduct should deserve it, and for his honorable acquittal when he should be unjustly accused.” Elbridge Gerry, a future vice president, added his view of impeachments: “A good magistrate will not fear them. A bad one ought to be kept in fear of them.” Gerry, along with Davie, Franklin and the others, neither suggested nor obtained any restriction on when in his term the president would be subject to impeachment.

While I am glad to see that you admit that the memo of the phone call was a bombshell, why would you think that no sane person thinks that another bombshell could not be lurking?

Impeachment is not the undoing of an election.
It is the remedy provided in the Constitution for an unfit President.
In every prior impeachment the Presidents followers cried the same tale as the Trumplicans are now.

Impeachment came about as a tool for a problem other than unpopularity: unfitness. “If he be not impeachable whilst in office,” William Davie told his fellow delegates on July 20 about the proposed president, “he will spare no efforts or means whatever to get himself re-elected.” In Trump's case this has been very evident. Delegates’ arguments throughout the convention against an impeachment process, including the claim that a reelection of a president would be “sufficient proof of his innocence,” were rejected. Benjamin Franklin even argued that assassination had often been the only recourse for unfit leaders when policies lacked an impeachment process. “It [would] be the best way therefore,” he said, “to provide in the Constitution for the regular punishment of the Executive when his misconduct should deserve it, and for his honorable acquittal when he should be unjustly accused.” Elbridge Gerry, a future vice president, added his view of impeachments: “A good magistrate will not fear them. A bad one ought to be kept in fear of them.” Gerry, along with Davie, Franklin and the others, neither suggested nor obtained any restriction on when in his term the president would be subject to impeachment.

the issue is, your side made no secret that they planned to pursue impeachment, on the first day the guy took office. When you commit to impeachment before he’s done anything and never stop digging, you open your findings to skepticism. that’s why it’s not a good idea to go all in on
impeachment from day one. at a minimum, it creates the appearance of bias, and that's putting it very, very mildly.

he’s such an idiot i wouldn’t bet against him giving them a valid reason to cast him aside. but i don’t see it yet, all
i see are things very similar to things done recently by democrats who were never questioned. another way to give off an appearance of bias, is to have obvious, glaring double standards.
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the issue is, your side made no secret that they planned to pursue impeachment, on the first day the guy took office. When you commit to impeachment before he’s done anything and never stop digging, you open your findings to skepticism. that’s why it’s not a good idea to go all in on
impeachment from day one. at a minimum, it creates the appearance of bias, and that's putting it very, very mildly.

You have forgotten the last President and the efforts to impeach him.

Multiple surveys of U.S. public opinion found that the clear majority of Americans rejected the idea of impeaching Obama, while a majority of Republicans were in favor; for example, CNN found in July 2014 that 57% of Republicans supported these efforts while about two thirds of adult Americans in general disagreed with them.


he’s such an idiot i wouldn’t bet against him giving them a valid reason to cast him aside. but i don’t see it yet, all
i see are things very similar to things done recently by democrats who were never questioned. another way to give off an appearance of bias, is to have obvious, glaring double standards.
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Impeachment is for Presidents who are "such an idiot", incompetent or otherwise unfit.

"It's ironic that Ukraine's "Anti-Corruption Bureau" was established with he assistance of Quid Pro Joe Biden."

What's ironic is that . . .


All you can muster in rebuttal to an on-point original post is an unattributed stolen pile of crap from a site where leftists go for their periodic programming -- https://www.americanprogress.org/issues/security/reports/2019/10/21/476140/donald-trumps-gift-kleptocrats/

All that proves is that you are owed no respect, you have neither the intelligence or the integrity to discuss anything besides cheating in fishing tournaments.

Libertarians, constitutional conservatives, and classical liberals believe in protecting whistleblowers to expose government corruption. Trump Republicans believe in exposing whistleblowers to protect government corruption.

SMH.

"All of these whistleblowers have axes to grind. [We need] to f--k these guys, . . . we need to get whatever dirt we can on these guys and take them down" -- Scott Thomasson

It's as if you demand we not remember that before there was a fake whistleblower named Eric Ciaramella, there was a real whistleblower by the name of John Dodson.

Impeachment is for Presidents who are "such an idiot", incompetent or otherwise unfit.

please describe the gop efforts to impeach obama, compared to the energy devoted to impeaching trump? you’re going to suggest it was comparable? trying to talk to you like an adult, you don’t make it easy.
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please describe the gop efforts to impeach obama, compared to the energy devoted to impeaching trump? you’re going to suggest it was comparable? trying to talk to you like an adult, you don’t make it easy.
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Not nearly as much ammunition in Obama’s administration
You spent years screaming like a girl about Obama, didn’t you?
Trump spent years pushing the birther theory
Google is easy
But you deflect so to get back on task
The U.S. ambassador Gordon Sondland, a key witness in the impeachment inquiry, acknowledged delivering a quid pro quo message to Ukraine in a major revision to his impeachment testimony.
Or have you already moved from no quid pro quo to everyone does that.

Putin’s very proud of your boy and his disinformation campaign.
They’re even going to resume joint cyber security cooperation according to TASS
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Not nearly as much ammunition in Obama’s administration
You spent years screaming like a girl about Obama, didn’t you?
Trump spent years pushing the birther theory
Google is easy
But you deflect so to get back on task
The U.S. ambassador Gordon Sondland, a key witness in the impeachment inquiry, acknowledged delivering a quid pro quo message to Ukraine in a major revision to his impeachment testimony.
Or have you already moved from no quid pro quo to everyone does that.

Putin’s very proud of your boy and his disinformation campaign.
They’re even going to resume joint cyber security cooperation according to TASS
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i hated obama. the remedy for that is winning the next election, not reversing the previous one.

you dodged, completely. you brought up efforts to impeach obama, i asked you to describe the lengths that republicans went to, to try and impeach him. yes they tried to beat him in 2012, there was no serious talk of impeaching him. even though he did ask russia to postpone missile talks until after he win re-election, because he’d have “more flexibility” to work with the russians the way he wanted, after he no longer needed to worry about re-election. but it’s ok when obama
asks a foreign power ( russia in this case), to do him a favor for the purposes of political gain for himself. impeachable when trump does it, swell when obama
does it.
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i hated obama. the remedy for that is winning the next election, not reversing the previous one.

you dodged, completely. you brought up efforts to impeach obama, i asked you to describe the lengths that republicans went to, to try and impeach him. yes they tried to beat him in 2012, there was no serious talk of impeaching him. even though he did ask russia to postpone missile talks until after he win re-election, because he’d have “more flexibility” to work with the russians the way he wanted, after he no longer needed to worry about re-election. but it’s ok when obama
asks a foreign power ( russia in this case), to do him a favor for the purposes of political gain for himself. impeachable when trump does it, swell when obama
does it.
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Impeachment doesn't "reverse" elections, it removes a incompetent, unethical or otherwise failed president from office.

Nowhere's in the Constitution is anything said about when it could occur.

You keep citing all the false equivalents you are fed by the Trumplicans, to justify Floridaman's actions.

Their wish and I assume yours, public hearings are coming.

It should be interesting to see the performances.

You should donate money to buy Gym Jordan a suitcoat, since he will be on stage.

Impeachment doesn't "reverse" elections, it removes a incompetent, unethical or otherwise failed president from office.

Nowhere's in the Constitution is anything said about when it could occur.

You keep citing all the false equivalents you are fed by the Trumplicans, to justify Floridaman's actions.

Their wish and I assume yours, public hearings are coming.

It should be interesting to see the performances.

You should donate money to buy Gym Jordan a suitcoat, since he will be on stage.

impeachment/conviction had the effect of un-doing the will
if the people in a national election.

for the third and final time. you, not i, chose to bring republican efforts to impeach obama, into this. please tell us how serious and vast those were, or
kindly admit you made it up.

and you keep calling my equivalents false, but you can’t specify how its false. as if saying false is enough.
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All you can muster in rebuttal to an on-point original post is an unattributed stolen pile of crap from a site where leftists go for their periodic programming -- https://www.americanprogress.org/issues/security/reports/2019/10/21/476140/donald-trumps-gift-kleptocrats/

All that proves is that you are owed no respect, you have neither the intelligence or the integrity to discuss anything besides cheating in fishing tournaments.



SMH.

"All of these whistleblowers have axes to grind. [We need] to f--k these guys, . . . we need to get whatever dirt we can on these guys and take them down" -- Scott Thomasson

It's as if you demand we not remember that before there was a fake whistleblower named Eric Ciaramella, there was a real whistleblower by the name of John Dodson.

BIOYA

Issa introduced new Whistleblower protection legislation in November 2011. Retaliating against whistleblowers is a crime.

Just what are Floridaman and his Trumplicans doing to this whistleblower?

Two wrongs don't make a right, or perhaps they do in Trumpworld.

Floridaman has no anticorruption agenda for anything other than his political opponents.

He also has no idea how to manage a bureaucracy and therefore can't persuade his administration to push things in the direction he wants them to go.
So he does what he always has, as he was taught by Roy Cohn. Then it was call Michael Cohen, now it's call Rudy Guiliani, and when that falls apart, send Barr and Pompeo to investigate. As they say in Queens: "Just tell em ya ain't getting nuttin unless ya get me da goods"

VEG

Now you can do a round of But Kavanaugh with a chorus of The Economy.

impeachment/conviction had the effect of un-doing the will
if the people in a national election.

for the third and final time. you, not i, chose to bring republican efforts to impeach obama, into this. please tell us how serious and vast those were, or
kindly admit you made it up.

and you keep calling my equivalents false, but you can’t specify how its false. as if saying false is enough.
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Feel free to use Google
As far as the false equivalency you consistently come up with, it’s asked and answered again and again
Scroll back
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Feel free to use Google
As far as the false equivalency you consistently come up with, it’s asked and answered again and again
Scroll back
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in other words, you know there was no republican effort to impeach obama, but you can’t admit it.

as to clarifying the differences, the best you could come up with, is that trumps quid pro quo was in private, while biden’s was in public. That makes as much sense as saying Trump did it on a Monday, Biden on a Tuesday.

it was asked, it was not answered.
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Feel free to use Google
As far as the false equivalency you consistently come up with, it’s asked and answered again and again
Scroll back
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in other words, you know there was no republican effort to impeach obama, but you can’t admit it.

as to clarifying the differences, the best you could come up with, is that trumps quid pro quo was in private, while biden’s was in public. That makes as much sense as saying Trump did it on a Monday, Biden on a Tuesday.

it was asked, it was not answered.
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Issa introduced new Whistleblower protection legislation in November 2011. Retaliating against whistleblowers is a crime.

Just what are Floridaman and his Trumplicans doing to this whistleblower?



Retaliation as defined by the whistleblower legislation is some kind of personnel punishment by the employer such as being transferred, denied a raise, have your hours reduced, be fired, blacklisted, demoted, transferred to a less desirable job, failing to rehire, denying benefits or any other act that would be seen as punishment.

Trumplicans have no ability to administer personnel punishment on the whistleblower. The Floridaman is not making a retaliatory personnel punishment.

it’s not all equal, but even non-trump corruption is worth looking at, at least to most people.

WDMSO, they were chanting “impeach the morherf*cker” from day one. i’m not saying he’s innocent, but i’m saying they are never going to stop digging, whether there’s reasonable cause or not.
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That may so . But what has he done . These things aren't made up they actually happened. Hes done it to himself
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right. potential corruption behind efforts to un-do a fair presidential election, nothing to see there.
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More conspiracy theories.

Next phase from Republicans it was quid pro quo. But not an impeachable offense.. as if theres an actual list
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Talking point it’s all the evil dems have thought about, undoing an election, couldn’t possibly have anything to do with the criminal impeachable behavior by our president. It’s just more of the same, here, on Fox aka Trump news and in any interviews of GOP senators. It’s like they all have a weekly briefing so the talking points are echoed by all. No point in debating at this point EVERY single supporter of Trump on this site is an echo chamber and they of course are entitled to their opinions, but everyone on the other side of the issues are pretty convinced of the wrong doing. I’ve chimed in less as I see this as just a merry go round making everyone dizzy, it’s just going round and round.
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More conspiracy theories.

Next phase from Republicans it was quid pro quo. But not an impeachable offense.. as if theres an actual list
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quid pro quo, that’s not what biden did though. withholding aid until
ukraine did what he wanted. that’s not quit pro quo? have fun.

conspiracy theory? amazing you know that, yet neither Durham nor the IG have released a single detail yet. so how do you know it’s an unfounded, baseless theory?

answer- all you care about is politics. facts o key matter when they serve your agenda.
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So after today’s reveals and tonights results do the Republican Senators feel safe in Trumptown or are they starting to think they should get out before it really becomes a suicide pact.
Tomorrow Floridaman will start throwing more people under the bus.
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Talking point it’s all the evil dems have thought about, undoing an election, couldn’t possibly have anything to do with the criminal impeachable behavior by our president. It’s just more of the same, here, on Fox aka Trump news and in any interviews of GOP senators. It’s like they all have a weekly briefing so the talking points are echoed by all. No point in debating at this point EVERY single supporter of Trump on this site is an echo chamber and they of course are entitled to their opinions, but everyone on the other side of the issues are pretty convinced of the wrong doing. I’ve chimed in less as I see this as just a merry go round making everyone dizzy, it’s just going round and round.
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this is hilarious

quid pro quo, that’s not what biden did though. withholding aid until
ukraine did what he wanted. that’s not quit pro quo? have fun.

conspiracy theory? amazing you know that, yet neither Durham nor the IG have released a single detail yet. so how do you know it’s an unfounded, baseless theory?

answer- all you care about is politics. facts o key matter when they serve your agenda.
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Why do keep posting lies and revisionist history... on what biden did and why and who sanctioned it.( but a no appointed or elected lawyer doing Trumps bidding is ok with you. What an odd sense of right and wrong...is its all about reversing the election...or removing an unfit POTUS

So the attempt to impeach Clinton was which . Removing an unfit Potus or reversing an election

You speak about moving the goal post maybe you should ask trump supporters. To stop changing their stories [goalpost]
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this is hilarious

Keep the echo chamber up, hey Trump predicted how you'd behave long before now.

Why do keep posting lies and revisionist history... on what biden did and why and who sanctioned it.( but a no appointed or elected lawyer doing Trumps bidding is ok with you. What an odd sense of right and wrong...is its all about reversing the election...or removing an unfit POTUS

So the attempt to impeach Clinton was which . Removing an unfit Potus or reversing an election

You speak about moving the goal post maybe you should ask trump supporters. To stop changing their stories [goalpost]
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What lie, specifically, am I telling, with the examples I cite? Please be specific. It's very easy to do lobe baseless insults. How about backing it up?

"but a no appointed or elected lawyer doing Trumps bidding is ok with you"

Ummm, it's pretty common for the executive branch to make policy decisions that are carried out be people not elected. Rahm Emmanuel never carried out orders for Obama when he was chief of staff? What are you even saying? That presidents can only delegate work to people who are elected?

"So the attempt to impeach Clinton was which '

He lied under oath, there is no question, we have DNA evidence. The bar association, probably the sleaziest group of pep[le you can ever find, decided he was too dirty to be a member, and he was disbarred.

couldn’t possibly have anything to do with the criminal impeachable behavior by our president. .
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Again, when they were saying "impeach the mother*cker" before his first day, a rational person would conclude they made their minds up first, then never stopped digging until they found something to hang their red hats on. That's not how it's supposed to work. STill doesn't mean their claims can't be valid, but at a minimum, standards have been changed, as democrats have done similar things and no one called them out on it, let alone suggested impeachment.

Dig, what are you smoking, nobody needed to dig; Trump’s corruption is always in plain sight.
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This afternoon Colludy is claiming he was working as Floridamans defense lawyer, a short while ago he was working at the behest of the State Department.
“The investigation I conducted concerning 2016 Ukrainian collusion and corruption, was done solely as a defense attorney to defend my client against false charges, that kept changing as one after another were disproven.”
So thanks for admitting it was all for 45's personal gain and had nothing to do with the best interests of the United States.
He’s being represented by Costello. Costello is the lawyer who emailed Michael Cohen saying, “Sleep well tonight, you have friends in high places.”
He’s f’d
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Keep the echo chamber up,



did someone else from the echo chamber say "this is hilarious"?

What is not so funny, is Moscow Mitch proclaiming if the trial gets to the senate, Trump will not be removed. So the judge is also the jury, no fair trail or look at the evidence. Between the public testimony and the Stone trial and Rudy’s trouble, Trump must not be getting any sleep.
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Trump has the local flakes acting like hamsters on a wheel. Great entertainment by the 3 stooges.
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Trump has the local flakes acting like hamsters on a wheel. Great entertainment by the 3 stooges.
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I also found Meadows, Jordan and Nunes quite comical, Graham has had a few slapstick walkons too
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Rudy Haha

Time to get a new lawyer when he constantly gets you in trouble instead of getting you out of trouble.

What lie, specifically, am I telling, with the examples I cite? Please be specific. It's very easy to do lobe baseless insults. How about backing it up?

"but a no appointed or elected lawyer doing Trumps bidding is ok with you"

Ummm, it's pretty common for the executive branch to make policy decisions that are carried out be people not elected. Rahm Emmanuel never carried out orders for Obama when he was chief of staff? What are you even saying? That presidents can only delegate work to people who are elected?

"So the attempt to impeach Clinton was which '

He lied under oath, there is no question, we have DNA evidence. The bar association, probably the sleaziest group of pep[le you can ever find, decided he was too dirty to be a member, and he was disbarred.

No answer

A unfit to be Potus

B undo an election

Its not that hard
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1) The new defense of Trump from Trumplicans is a joke.

Their claim now is that, yes, there may have been a quid pro quo, but you can't show Trump himself was behind it.

But the already known facts show this is steaming nonsense.

2) Go step by step.

Trump himself personally ordered the military aid frozen.

White House officials were ordered not to share details about it with lawmakers.

3) Giuliani publicly confirmed the whole plot as early as May, and continued to do so for months.

Here's an important quote from Giuliani:

“I don’t do anything that involves my client without speaking with my client.”

4) Pence himself directly delivered the message to Zelensky about the withheld military aid.

He said Zelensky needed to do more about "corruption."

But prior texts show that Ukraine had already been told the statement had to target Crowdstrike/Biden.

5) After all this, Trump's spinners are actually trying to argue that Sondland freelanced the extortion piece of the plot on his own.

Thanks for the update,this is very important news to some.
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Wait. If the reason not to impeach Trump is because Ukraine got the aid and Trump didn’t get his investigation, then why is Barr investigating the origins of the Russia investigation. Obviously it didn't prevent Trump from being elected and didn't succeed in removing him from office. No harm, no foul.
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🧐
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The whistleblower is a disgrace to our country... and the whistleblower because of that should be revealed,"

And his lawyer who said the worst things possible two years ago, he should be sued, and maybe for treason."

Just another example of what happens when you don't bend the knee..
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The whistleblower is a disgrace to our country... and the whistleblower because of that should be revealed,"

And his lawyer who said the worst things possible two years ago, he should be sued, and maybe for treason."

Just another example of what happens when you don't bend the knee..
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Why is what Trump said (which was a response) somehow worse (or even inaccurate) than what the lawyer said? Wasn't what the lawyer said treasonous? Do you know what the lawyer said?

The whistleblower is a disgrace to our country... and the whistleblower because of that should be revealed,"

And his lawyer who said the worst things possible two years ago, he should be sued, and maybe for treason."

Just another example of what happens when you don't bend the knee..
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stop calling him a whistleblower...he's a deep state partisan hack and obama, biden, brennan lackey...about as legit as balsey ford

stop calling him a whistleblower...he's a deep state partisan hack and obama, biden, brennan lackey...about as legit as balsey ford

And this: https://www.redstate.com/bonchie/2019/11/08/alexander-vindmans-testimony-appears-confirm-illegally-leaked-whistle-blower/?utm_source=rsmorningbriefing&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=nl&bcid=bf6d5580969b1ebc1202d7fd625046d4

stop calling him a whistleblower...he's a deep state partisan hack and obama, biden, brennan lackey...about as legit as balsey ford
Desperation looks good on you.
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Desperation looks good on you.
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I'm thoroughly enjoying this :huh::scream:

This process should not be behind closed doors. It should be out in the open.
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This process should not be held in open Session with public hearings and should not be televised. It's a Witch Hunt in should be behind closed doors.
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Why is what Trump said (which was a response) somehow worse (or even inaccurate) than what the lawyer said? Wasn't what the lawyer said treasonous? Do you know what the lawyer said?

Again you fail to understand that a lawyer ( private citizen with zero power or influence)
And POTUS ( using his position and influence as POTUS (not private as citizen) are not the same

The Whistleblower Complaint Has Largely Been Corroborated

You do know what Corroborated means

No matter the reasons why he or she filed the complaint. It actually happened

And Trump defenders no matter whom it is or no matter their record
Will tear them apart for not kissing Trumps Ring
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Wait. If the reason not to impeach Trump is because Ukraine got the aid and Trump didn’t get his investigation, then why is Barr investigating the origins of the Russia investigation. Obviously it didn't prevent Trump from being elected and didn't succeed in removing him from office. No harm, no foul.
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In neither case was the investigation into Trump warranted. In fact, the impeachment case is a result of the Russia investigation. If the phony Russia thing hadn't happened, the following chain of events would not have occurred and would not have resulted into this impeachment and investigation into Ukrainian corruption, and we would not have this obstruction of productive government that is going on now. Maybe some other phony obstruction, but not this one.

Getting to the bottom of how and who were the causes of the Russia hoax could expose the seeds of the unwarranted impeachment inquiry.

So did Putin and Orban tell Trump that it wasn’t Russia it was Ukraine?
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Coming to a television near you, Trump and Trumplicans are spinning as fast as they can

CBS is the first U.S. broadcast network to announce its plans to pre-empt regular daytime programming for coverage of next week’s first public hearings in the impeachment inquiry. All of the broadcast networks are expected to join cable news channels and news streaming services to cover the hearings, which will start Wednesday with the testimony of Bill Taylor, the top diplomat in Ukraine, and George Kent, deputy assistant secretary in the European and Eurasian Bureau at the State Department.

The House Intelligence Committee evidence-gathering goes public on November 13 and will be shown on BBC Parliament, which usually brings audiences live action from the British Houses of Parliament.
However, because a December 12 election has been called in the UK — the first December election since 1923 — Parliament has been dissolved, meaning the BBC is looking for content to fill BBC Parliament’s schedule. To this end, the channel will go live from Washington D.C. next week.
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Again you fail to understand that a lawyer ( private citizen with zero power or influence)

You fail to understand that a "private" citizen can commit treason or say treasonous things.

And POTUS ( using his position and influence as POTUS (not private as citizen) are not the same

Who said they were?

The Whistleblower Complaint Has Largely Been Corroborated
You do know what Corroborated means

That has nothing to do with what the lawyer said and if it was treasonous. Nor has it been substantiated that Trump committed an impeachable offense.

You do know what substantiated means?

No matter the reasons why he or she filed the complaint. It actually happened

"It" doesn't mean that Trump did something impeachable.

And Trump defenders no matter whom it is or no matter their record
Will tear them apart for not kissing Trumps Ring
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And, again, I failed to understand that it is better to stay away, not respond, to your less than worth wile posts.

And, again, I failed to understand that it is better to stay away, not respond, to your less than worth wile posts.
I forgot your the superior mind on this board.. Lol. Ps is there a list of impeachable offenses in the Constitution . That only you are aware of?
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Almost all of the Trumplican women I’ve seen looked like that.
Fifty years ago
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Republicans Ask For Whistleblower, Hunter Biden To Testify In Impeachment Inquiry

What a joke
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We can call this the Reo Speedwagon fauxpeachment . . .

Heard it from a friend, who heard it from a friend, who heard it from a friend you've been messin' around . . .

Did anyone else see in the Vindman transcript where Rep. Ratcliffe walked Vindman into an Article 92 along with an Article 88 violation (pgs 158-161)?

Ratcliffe gets Vindman to stipulate that President Trump is Lt. Col Vindman’s superior and the President alone sets foreign policy.

Vindman testifies that he thought the President was trying to establish an agreement with Zelenskyy that Vindman did not agree with and shortly thereafter Vindman began giving contrary instructions to Ukranian government officials, to ignore said agreement, Vindman admits telling Ukrainian government officials to stay out of these affairs, to not get involved.

Vindman’s lawyer sees where Ratcliffe's questioning is going and flips out.

A military officer working in the White House, at the pleasure of the President and then undermining the President with foreign officials sure sounds like a coup to me. Given the military command's complete silence on Vindman's seditious if not traitorous actions, can we assume the coup has the acknowledgement, approval and support of the military right up to the Joint Chiefs?


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We can call this the Reo Speedwagon fauxpeachment . . .

Heard it from a friend, who heard it from a friend, who heard it from a friend you've been messin' around . . .

Did anyone else see in the Vindman transcript where Rep. Ratcliffe walked Vindman into an Article 92 along with an Article 88 violation (pgs 158-161)?

Ratcliffe gets Vindman to stipulate that President Trump is Lt. Col Vindman’s superior and the President alone sets foreign policy.

Vindman testifies that he thought the President was trying to establish an agreement with Zelenskyy that Vindman did not agree with and shortly thereafter Vindman began giving contrary instructions to Ukranian government officials, to ignore said agreement, Vindman admits telling Ukrainian government officials to stay out of these affairs, to not get involved.

Vindman’s lawyer sees where Ratcliffe's questioning is going and flips out.

A military officer working in the White House, at the pleasure of the President and then undermining the President with foreign officials sure sounds like a coup to me. Given the military command's complete silence on Vindman's seditious if not traitorous actions, can we assume the coup has the acknowledgement, approval and support of the military right up to the Joint Chiefs?


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It won’t have Putin’s
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It won’t have Putin’s


And that reply goes directly to the entire "Resistance"mentality. It is your feeling that "it won't have Putin's" support but just like Vindman, you would be unable to articulate an actual legal, factual support for your statement . . . It's all characterizations, sentiments, feelings, all borne out of political agenda.

Ratcliffe repeatedly asked Vindman about how he characterized the call, how he was "concerned" about the call, how he did not think it was "proper" and how those feelings evolved into Vindman's conclusion that the conversation was a "demand". Vindman dissembled and admitted that he didn't "parse his words carefully" and that he's "not an attorney" and that he, "just wrote it the way [he] felt it".

Feelings set this ball rolling and nothing but hearsay has kept it rolling.. . .

Vindman could not describe how the request for assistance was a violation of law or the mutual cooperation treaty between the US and Ukraine that requires Ukraine to assist and cooperate with the US in criminal investigations when asked.

His disagreement was based in feelings . . . as is your poor excuse of a reply above.

The us government does mutual investigations all the time
Per the treaty
Not by Colludy and his band of corrupt collaborators trying to gain control of the energy industry in Ukraine.
Ending corrupt investigations for money and political purposes is the platform Zelensky ran on, Floridaman put him in the middle of a place he and his country did not want to be in and cut off all his ways out, then threw him to Putin.
Next you’ll be claiming Parnas and Fruman, more people Floridaman never heard of, are American heroes.
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Parnas and Fruman are your heroes, as one would expect
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The us government does mutual investigations all the time Per the treaty
Not by Colludy and his band of corrupt collaborators trying to gain control of the energy industry in Ukraine.

A characterization based in feelings that flow from your political agenda, supported by confirmation bias (AKA, a propagandized personal opinion).

Ending corrupt investigations for money and political purposes is the platform Zelensky ran on,

Correct, and Trump wanted to confirm that commitment before he gave them a couple hundred million dollars and to be sure the new government would be of Zelenskyy's choosing and have no foot resting in the corrupt past.

Floridaman put him in the middle of a place he and his country did not want to be in and cut off all his ways out, then threw him to Putin.

Again, a characterization based in feelings that flow from your political agenda, supported by confirmation bias (AKA, a propagandized personal opinion).

Next you’ll be claiming Parnas and Fruman, more people Floridaman never heard of, are American heroes.

Only if you are claiming Glenn Simpson and Peter Fritsch are. I can't think of anyone who believes opposition research is a white glove affair, hands get muddy.

Things don't suddenly get to be called inappropriate (or even called-out as criminal) just because they benefit a Republican.

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Parnas and Fruman are your heroes, as one would expect
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A characterization based in feelings that flow from your political agenda, supported by confirmation bias (AKA, a propagandized personal opinion).



Correct, and Trump wanted to confirm that commitment before he gave them a couple hundred million dollars and to be sure the new government would be of Zelenskyy's choosing and have no foot resting in the corrupt past.



Again, a characterization based in feelings that flow from your political agenda, supported by confirmation bias (AKA, a propagandized personal opinion).



Only if you are claiming Glenn Simpson and Peter Fritsch are. I can't think of anyone who believes opposition research is a white glove affair, hands get muddy.

Things don't suddenly get to be called inappropriate (or even called-out as criminal) just because they benefit a Republican.

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No they don’t
But they should be when they, as these do, consist of bribery, extortion, abuse of power and conspiracy.
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No they don’t
But they should be when they, as these do, consist of bribery, extortion, abuse of power and conspiracy.


And again, a characterization based in feelings that flow from your political agenda, supported by confirmation bias (AKA, a propagandized personal opinion).


Haven't you exhausted yourself furiously masturbating these conspiracy theories only to be denied again and again?

We can call this the Reo Speedwagon fauxpeachment . . .

Heard it from a friend, who heard it from a friend, who heard it from a friend you've been messin' around . . .

Did anyone else see in the Vindman transcript where Rep. Ratcliffe walked Vindman into an Article 92 along with an Article 88 violation (pgs 158-161)?

Ratcliffe gets Vindman to stipulate that President Trump is Lt. Col Vindman’s superior and the President alone sets foreign policy.

Vindman testifies that he thought the President was trying to establish an agreement with Zelenskyy that Vindman did not agree with and shortly thereafter Vindman began giving contrary instructions to Ukranian government officials, to ignore said agreement, Vindman admits telling Ukrainian government officials to stay out of these affairs, to not get involved.

Vindman’s lawyer sees where Ratcliffe's questioning is going and flips out.

A military officer working in the White House, at the pleasure of the President and then undermining the President with foreign officials sure sounds like a coup to me. Given the military command's complete silence on Vindman's seditious if not traitorous actions, can we assume the coup has the acknowledgement, approval and support of the military right up to the Joint Chiefs?


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to use your own words

Haven't you exhausted yourself furiously masturbating these conspiracy theories

And again, a characterization based in feelings that flow from your political agenda, supported by confirmation bias (AKA, a propagandized personal opinion).


Haven't you exhausted yourself furiously masturbating these conspiracy theories only to be denied again and again?

So when your arguments fail you resort to typical Trumplican nasty verbiage
Impressive
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So when your arguments fail you resort to typical Trumplican nasty verbiage
Impressive
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ReelinRod's arguments did not fail. They were very successful.

ReelinRod's arguments did not fail. They were very successful.

With the choir, are you a bass or tenor?
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to use your own words

Haven't you exhausted yourself furiously masturbating these conspiracy theories

So when your arguments fail you resort to typical Trumplican nasty verbiage
Impressive
I stopped back here just to see what's being discussed. I've been on other boards writing about the Durham investigation and Ukraine and I came here to dabble.

I see a thread (http://www.striped-bass.com/Stripertalk/showthread.php?t=95733) (now dead) where you clueless lefties were prattling on for pages, wondering why and what Durham was investigating. I made my first posts substantive, directly answering the question; #69 (http://www.striped-bass.com/Stripertalk/showpost.php?p=1178304&postcount=69), #71 (http://www.striped-bass.com/Stripertalk/showpost.php?p=1178306&postcount=71). They were serious, supported posts with actual facts and documentation laying out the very serious criminal acts in the lead-up to the election . . . but that kind of thing is rejected / ignored by the small minds here.

Thereafter, I since pretty much treated you guys as the scat throwing monkeys you are and only resorted to this board for comedic relief from serious discussion I was enjoying elsewhere.

You guys exist in a bubble of idiocy and you delude yourselves, thinking yourselves knowledgeable and witty.

As I said when being accused of "scumminess" for saying the whistleleaker acted in a seditious manner:
"Scumminess" is three pages of the loopyleftie posters here wondering in abject, purposeful, self-imposed ignorance about what Durham is investigating . . . And then, when I exactingly lay out plenty of Obama administration illegality that led directly to the Russian collusion hoax and the fake investigation into it, you ignore it.

Scumminess is ignoring facts you asked for and instead running back under your mommy's apron of another safe, mindless false narrative of the left, only peeking out enough to shake your fist and say orange man bad . . .

So pathetic and so predictable, keep parroting what you think is a cudgel until it is destroyed and then turn and shift to another BS cudgel.

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I'm the conductor of my own orchestra. In other words, your question is as ignorant and narrow minded as you appear to be.

Reelin Rod has it all over you in a rational discussion.

You're the queen of innuendo and the king of conjecture. The cis-pseudo master of could, maybe, perhaps, if, of the "rumor is" . . . The sorcerer's apprentice of false juxtaposition, flimsy comparisons . . . your mind is a quicksand of possibilities that you half understand and wish were true and opinions that mostly aren't.

Reelin Rod is rock solid, has a clear grasp of actual facts.

And I composed that entirely on my own. Didn't have to find a link or read and paste a biased article. Nor participate in a circle jerk of "choir" boys. I've heard enough dissonant chords from you and your howling chorus to see what you are.

I'm the conductor of my own orchestra. In other words, your question is as ignorant and narrow minded as you appear to be.

Reelin Rod has it all over you in a rational discussion.

You're the queen of innuendo and the king of conjecture. The cis-pseudo master of could, maybe, perhaps, if, of the "rumor is" . . . The sorcerer's apprentice of false juxtaposition, flimsy comparisons . . . your mind is a quicksand of possibilities that you half understand and wish were true and opinions that mostly aren't.

Reelin Rod is rock solid, has a clear grasp of actual facts.

And I composed that entirely on my own. Didn't have to find a link or read and paste a biased article. Nor participate in a circle jerk of "choir" boys. I've heard enough dissonant chords from you and your howling chorus to see what you are.

Verbiage as usual, a blithering attack.
No facts because there are none to defend Floridaman
He committed crimes
Bribery
Extortion
Abuse of Power
He’s Putin’s Puppet
The weakest president ever.
All the rest of the world sees how ineffectual he is
He has no plan, no skill other than the ability to lie with a straight face and accuse others of that which he is guilty of.
You should wonder why he claims Treason since he constantly projects.
Floridaman will be exposed as the conman that he has always been.
Some people say he’s a Stable Genius with a very very large brain, great and unmatched wisdom, tiny hands and a .... like the mushroom character in Mario Kart ...

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I stopped back here just to see what's being discussed. I've been on other boards writing about the Durham investigation and Ukraine and I came here to dabble.

I see a thread (http://www.striped-bass.com/Stripertalk/showthread.php?t=95733) (now dead) where you clueless lefties were prattling on for pages, wondering why and what Durham was investigating. I made my first posts substantive, directly answering the question; #69 (http://www.striped-bass.com/Stripertalk/showpost.php?p=1178304&postcount=69), #71 (http://www.striped-bass.com/Stripertalk/showpost.php?p=1178306&postcount=71). They were serious, supported posts with actual facts and documentation laying out the very serious criminal acts in the lead-up to the election . . . but that kind of thing is rejected / ignored by the small minds here.

Thereafter, I since pretty much treated you guys as the scat throwing monkeys you are and only resorted to this board for comedic relief from serious discussion I was enjoying elsewhere.

You guys exist in a bubble of idiocy and you delude yourselves, thinking yourselves knowledgeable and witty.

As I said when being accused of "scumminess" for saying the whistleleaker acted in a seditious manner:
"Scumminess" is three pages of the loopyleftie posters here wondering in abject, purposeful, self-imposed ignorance about what Durham is investigating . . . And then, when I exactingly lay out plenty of Obama administration illegality that led directly to the Russian collusion hoax and the fake investigation into it, you ignore it.

Scumminess is ignoring facts you asked for and instead running back under your mommy's apron of another safe, mindless false narrative of the left, only peeking out enough to shake your fist and say orange man bad . . .

So pathetic and so predictable, keep parroting what you think is a cudgel until it is destroyed and then turn and shift to another BS cudgel.

Print that out and save it so you can show Floridaman how you defended him when he goes slithering away.
By the way Paula White said you’re behind in your tithing, you’ll lose your place in Trumptown and you won’t get your share of the koolaid when things don’t work out
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Verbiage as usual, a blithering attack.

You throw a stupid piece of verbiage at me and then expect an official record in return? You're also a proficient practicioner of the kettle calling the pot black.

No facts because there are none to defend Floridaman

"And again, a characterization based in feelings that flow from your political agenda, supported by confirmation bias (AKA, a propagandized personal opinion)."


He committed crimes
Bribery
Extortion
Abuse of Power

These are not facts, they're "And again, a characterization based in feelings that flow from your political agenda, supported by confirmation bias (AKA, a propagandized personal opinion)."


He’s Putin’s Puppet

"And again, a characterization based in feelings that flow from your political agenda, supported by confirmation bias (AKA, a propagandized personal opinion)."


The weakest president ever.

"And again, a characterization based in feelings that flow from your political agenda, supported by confirmation bias (AKA, a propagandized personal opinion)."


All the rest of the world sees how ineffectual he is

"And again, a characterization based in feelings that flow from your political agenda, supported by confirmation bias (AKA, a propagandized personal opinion)."


He has no plan, no skill other than the ability to lie with a straight face and accuse others of that which he is guilty of.

"And again, a characterization based in feelings that flow from your political agenda, supported by confirmation bias (AKA, a propagandized personal opinion)."


You should wonder why he claims Treason since he constantly projects.

"And again, a characterization based in feelings that flow from your political agenda, supported by confirmation bias (AKA, a propagandized personal opinion)."


Floridaman will be exposed as the conman that he has always been.
Some people say he’s a Stable Genius with a very very large brain, great and unmatched wisdom, tiny hands and a .... like the mushroom character in Mario Kart ...


And you end your verbiage exactly as Reelin Rod has nailed it "And again, a characterization based in feelings that flow from your political agenda, supported by confirmation bias (AKA, a propagandized personal opinion)."

And you end your verbiage exactly as Reelin Rod has nailed it "And again, a characterization based in feelings that flow from your political agenda, supported by confirmation bias (AKA, a propagandized personal opinion)."

Cult members just keep blindly following the conman to Trumptown

Since we’re really concerned about corruption
Let’s just invite the President of Turkey to the White House
1. Laundered Iranian funds
2. Bought Russian missile system
3. Feel free to do a quick google search https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C....0.G48c7Xnx4lI
WASHINGTON – In a remarkable rebuke of a NATO ally, the House on Tuesday approved a biting sanctions bill that could cripple Turkey's economy and would punish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan personally by requiring an assessment of his net worth amid questions about his finances in Turkey.

Sure seems to be concerned with corruption, except if it’s a mutual friend of Putin’s

Trumptown



is that in Florida?

is that in Florida?

It's in the Golan Heights, and the name Netanyahu actually gave it is Trump Heights.
It would be a fitting location for the Trump Library, since we are the only country to claim that it belongs to Israel.

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Print that out and save it so you can show Floridaman how you defended him when he goes slithering away.


SMH. Another in a long list of replies from you that show you only write what the voices in your head tell you to. Nothing that I wrote was a defense of Trump; it was all an indictment of you and your comrades here who can not communicate with thinking people.

YOU were wandering in self-imposed ignorance about what Durham was investigating, I provided part of the answer to YOU. You reply with nonsense and then a long stolen screed, copied and pasted without attribution or link. It is your complete ability to discuss let alone debate on display, and your duplicitous tactics and practices of stealing someone else's words and posting them as your own is exhibit one . . .

By the way Paula White said you’re behind in your tithing, you’ll lose your place in Trumptown and you won’t get your share of the koolaid when things don’t work out

I had to Google Paula White. It is freaking amazing the worthless crap that you know just to throw it out as an insult. An insult that speaks more to your character than any command of pertinent facts. Actual facts you have no time for and remain uninterested in.

Typical leftist.

Cult members just keep blindly following the conman to Trumptown

Since we’re really concerned about corruption
Let’s just invite the President of Turkey to the White House
1. Laundered Iranian funds
2. Bought Russian missile system
3. Feel free to do a quick google search https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C....0.G48c7Xnx4lI
WASHINGTON – In a remarkable rebuke of a NATO ally, the House on Tuesday approved a biting sanctions bill that could cripple Turkey's economy and would punish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan personally by requiring an assessment of his net worth amid questions about his finances in Turkey.

Sure seems to be concerned with corruption, except if it’s a mutual friend of Putin’s


And Vindman testified that he thought Obozo sold Javelins to Ukraine . . . When in truth Obozo denied all lethal aid.

Where was Vindman's concern for Ukraine when Obozo was sending them blankets, where was his deception and behind the scenes sedition when Obozo was denying Ukraine effective defensive tools to fight Putin?

Don't bother looking on Vox, I looked, they haven't issued talking points on this yet.

And Vindman testified that he thought Obozo sold Javelins to Ukraine . . . When in truth Obozo denied all lethal aid.

Where was Vindman's concern for Ukraine when Obozo was sending them blankets, where was his deception and behind the scenes sedition when Obozo was denying Ukraine effective defensive tools to fight Putin?

Don't bother looking on Vox, I looked, they haven't issued talking points on this yet.

Vindman is not the one being impeached so don’t deflect with that and yet another but Obama.

Calling Floridaman’s actions “foreign policy” won’t change the fact that he attempted to secretly subvert Congress’ constitutional authority by coercing a foreign government to investigate a U.S. citizen for his own personal gain.

A high crime by another name is still a crime.
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Roger Stone trial witness Rick Gates exposing things re Wikileaks that the Stable Genius with one of the great memories of all time “did not recall” in his written testimony to the Mueller investigation.

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