The dots connect, maybe it's true about Trumps consigliere

New report claims more whistleblowers have come forward to Democrat-led House of Representatives with claims of wrongdoing by Trump officials
Report says one whistleblower is alleging that Jared Kushner, Trump's son-in-law, approved Saudi plans to arrest Washington Post journalist Jamal Khashoggi
According to Spectator, Turkey intercepted call between Kushner and Saudi Prince Mohammed bin Salman, and then used it to gain leverage over Trump
Trump agreed to remove American troops from northern Syria after a phone call with Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan
By ARIEL ZILBER FOR DAILYMAIL.COM and REUTERS

Jared Kushner gave permission to Saudi ruler Mohammad bin Salman to arrest Jamal Khashoggi before he was killed and dismembered, a whistleblower claims.

However, Turkish intelligence intercepted the call and President Recep Erdogan then used the information to force President Trump to remove his troops from northern Syria, according to the Spectator.

The report claims that investigators on the Democratic-led House Intelligence Committee are aware of these allegations and are planning to dig further into them while pursuing the impeachment inquiry over Trump’s dealings with Ukraine.

It also claims that the number of intelligence whistleblowers who are willing to give evidence to the impeachment committee is seven.

Shocking allegation there.😮

I wonder what will come of this story...
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Shocking allegation there.😮

I wonder what will come of this story...
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It's similar to what I posted a month ago about why Trump folded on Syria

Possible Trump motives

1) Protecting income flow from Trump Towers Istanbul

2) Payoff to Turkey to cover up recording of Khashoggi murder by Trump allies

3) Obeisance to Putin

4) Warning to House: if you impeach me, Ill burn every American alliance and interest before I go

It's similar to what I posted a month ago about why Trump folded on Syria

Possible Trump motives

1) Protecting income flow from Trump Towers Istanbul

2) Payoff to Turkey to cover up recording of Khashoggi murder by Trump allies

3) Obeisance to Putin

4) Warning to House: if you impeach me, Ill burn every American alliance and interest before I go

Geez . . . you left out a lot of other "possibilities," many favorable to Trump's motives. But, I understand--rumors, possibility, maybe, conjecture, innuendo, could be, perhaps--these figure deeply in how you come to conclusions. But why are these verbal nebulae re you're analyses of Trump always selected from a negative point of view?

Geez . . . you left out a lot of other "possibilities," many favorable to Trump's motives. But, I understand--rumors, possibility, maybe, conjecture, innuendo, could be, perhaps--these figure deeply in how you come to conclusions. But why are these verbal nebulae re you're analyses of Trump always selected from a negative point of view?

There is a term for the exchange of U.S. intelligence or, worse, policy for money: espionage.

There is a term for the exchange of U.S. intelligence or, worse, policy for money: espionage.

OK. Quit being vague. Are you accusing Trump of espionage?

It's similar to what I posted a month ago about why Trump folded on Syria

Possible Trump motives

1) Protecting income flow from Trump Towers Istanbul

2) Payoff to Turkey to cover up recording of Khashoggi murder by Trump allies

3) Obeisance to Putin

4) Warning to House: if you impeach me, Ill burn every American alliance and interest before I go

Well,it seems you have determined that you were right all along. Good work PeteF.
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OK. Quit being vague. Are you accusing Trump of espionage?

I apparently left it out of the negative possibilities.

It's more of a possibility that he did that than his accusations of committing Treason that he has made of many of his opponents, though I assume you will say he was trolling the media, misconstrued, misspoke or out of context.

What other memorandum of telecom are hidden in the code word server?
Just what was discussed in his meeting with Putin?
In the Oval office meeting with Russia's foreign minister, Sergey Lavrov, and ambassador to the US Sergey Kislyak?

I apparently left it out of the negative possibilities.

It's more of a possibility that he did that than his accusations of committing Treason that he has made of many of his opponents, though I assume you will say he was trolling the media, misconstrued, misspoke or out of context.

What other memorandum of telecom are hidden in the code word server?
Just what was discussed in his meeting with Putin?
In the Oval office meeting with Russia's foreign minister, Sergey Lavrov, and ambassador to the US Sergey Kislyak?

Ah! I see. You're accusing him of a possibility.

Ah! I see. You're accusing him of a possibility.

And those possibilities are why there is an inquiry in the House.

And those possibilities are why there is an inquiry in the House.

And you already know the final verdict.

TRUMP cant commit treason or espionage or tell the Truth .. in his and his faithfuls Eyes

He has unlimited power and can not be charged with a crime while in office...

He wants the whistleblower exposed .. regardless what the federal says ..

PETE, they only believe conservative generated conspiracy Theories
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TRUMP cant commit treason or espionage or tell the Truth .. in his and his faithfuls Eyes

He has unlimited power and can not be charged with a crime while in office...

He wants the whistleblower exposed .. regardless what the federal says ..

PETE, they only believe conservative generated conspiracy Theories
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Very convincing. Brilliant stuff.

And you already know the final verdict.

Do I
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Do I
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Your TDS stuff is more like DUI

Very convincing. Brilliant stuff.

And what point wasn't True
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And what point wasn't True
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None of your points are true.

Those who voted for Trump or "support" him do not believe that he can't commit treason or espionage or tell the truth, as you put it. They don't believe, without solid evidence, that he committed treason or espionage. And they recognize that he has told some lies and some truth, not that everything he says is a lie.

They don't believe he has "unlimited power". Many believe that it is Progressives who think that the central government should have unlimited power to do what it thinks is "good."

I am not sure, but I don't think that federal law gives a blanket immunity for a whistleblower from being identified.

And they're not more prone to "conspiracy theories" than anybody else.

If Taylor & Hill & Vindman & Morrison & Sondland & Eisenberg & Pompeo & Perry & Giuliani & Bolton & the still-anonymous whistleblower all knew what Trump was up to regarding Biden & Ukraine, how could Trump's 2nd banana possibly be in the dark?

Whatever Trump did with regard to Ukraine, Mike Pence was mixed up in it, too. We know that Pence read, or at least was given a transcript of, Trump's call with Volodymyr Zelensky. We know he met with the Ukrainian president in Warsaw. And we know that Pence had his own call with Zelensky—a fact that Trump himself offered up unsolicited, seemingly eager to spread around the blame.

"I think you should ask for Vice President Pence's conversation," Trump tattled to reporters, "because he had a couple of conversations also."
The president characterized his Pence-Zelensky calls as "perfect." Congress is not so sure and has formally requested transcripts of those calls.
Despite saying a month ago that he had "no objection" to releasing the transcripts, Pence has yet to do so.

The vice president has assured us of his innocence. "As I said the day after that meeting," he told reporters, "we focused entirely, in my meeting with President Zelensky of Ukraine, on the issues that President Trump has raised as a concern, namely the lack of support from European partners for Ukraine and real issues of corruption in Ukraine."

When asked point-blank whether he was aware of Trump shaking down Zelensky to implicate Joe Biden, the former debate team champion twisted himself into a rhetorical pretzel to avoid a direct answer. "I never discussed the issue of the Bidens with President Zelensky," Pence said.

Ambassador Acknowledges Linking Ukraine Military Aid To Investigation

. military aid was tied to a public statement of "corruption" from Kiev,

From the newly released Transcripts ...

Cant wait to see the usual suspects excuse this away..

Must be an amazing unheard of coordination of witness and testimony by all these people..

Yet Trump supporters believe so many debunked theories. And now are convinced its a deep state attempt to overthrow the election because they hate Trump.. Maybe they just love American more.

Maybe his supporters need to start doing the Same .love their country more than the man
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These allegations,like all the others will pass. Get them out of the way and go back to the job at hand. MAGA!
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These allegations,like all the others will pass. Get them out of the way and go back to the job at hand. MAGA!
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Make Associates Get Attorneys

My Attorney Got Arrested (again?)

Make America Grope Again

Morons Are Governing America

Make Associates Get Attorneys

My Attorney Got Arrested (again?)

Make America Grope Again

Morons Are Governing America

Trump's version is nicer, gentler, more patriotic, positive, kinder, more inspiring, and all around better than yours. He seems to be a more pleasant and likeable person than you. PaulS might note that there is a lot of hate in you.

Trump's version is nicer, gentler, more patriotic, positive, kinder, more inspiring, and all around better than yours. He seems to be a more pleasant and likeable person than you. PaulS might note that there is a lot of hate in you.

America was Great before Floridaman, it will be great in the future, this will pass.
It will take a while to fix the damage done by him.

America was Great before Floridaman, it will be great in the future, this will pass.
It will take a while to fix the damage done by him.

So you think that the "new normal" achieved under Obama with its slow growth, dying middle class, stagnating wages, and expanding socialism was great.
And you do not see that as damage. I know . . . I know . . . he inherited all that. Right . . . right.

And things in those areas, except expanding socialism and the "new normal" are improving at a more positive rate under Trump. And you see that as damage that it will take time to fix.

America was Great before Floridaman, it will be great in the future, this will pass.
It will take a while to fix the damage done by him.

8 years is like the blink of an eye
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So you think that the "new normal" achieved under Obama with its slow growth, dying middle class, stagnating wages, and expanding socialism was great.
And you do not see that as damage. I know . . . I know . . . he inherited all that. Right . . . right.

And things in those areas, except expanding socialism and the "new normal" are improving at a more positive rate under Trump. And you see that as damage that it will take time to fix.

Let's see


GDP
Jun 30, 2019 2.28%
Dec 31, 2018 2.52%
Dec 31, 2017 2.80%
Dec 31, 2016 2.03%
Dec 31, 2015 1.90%
Dec 31, 2014 2.88%
Dec 31, 2013 2.61%
Dec 31, 2012 1.47%
Dec 31, 2011 1.61%
Dec 31, 2010 2.57%
Dec 31, 2009 0.18%
Dec 31, 2008 -2.75%

Median income

Dec 31, 2018 61,937.00
I didn't bother with 2017 since Trump needs a 2 year jump to not look so bad
Dec 31, 2016 59,039.00
Dec 31, 2015 56,515.84
Dec 31, 2014 53,657.47
Dec 31, 2013 51,939.48
Dec 31, 2012 51,016.86
Dec 31, 2011 50,053.97

Wage growth
Trump’s own Council of Economic Advisers contradicts his “decades of flat wages” claim, saying 2018 was “the sixth consecutive year of positive real hourly earnings growth for nonsupervisory workers and the longest streak since the eight years of consecutive earnings growth from 1995 through 2002.” (The CEA adjusts for inflation using the Personal Consumption Expenditures Price Index, or PCE, not the Consumer Price Index that BLS uses.)

Socialism
Trump’s tariffs are not only a new tax for Americans, but a policy of directly picking winners and losers in the economy. The interests of steel workers, for example, are being placed above the interest of consumers and farmers. This leads to the government using tax dollars to prop up farmers. Of course this spending means that tax-paying consumers are hit yet again, with their tax dollars being used for this new welfare program.

Government interventionism doesn’t simply stop there. The natural result of these new government barriers is for businesses to seek ways around them, such as Harley’s decision to move some manufacturing to Europe. This, of course, sparked backlash from President Trump, threatening further retaliation for such a move. As we've seen time and time again, the more Trump digs in to his support for protectionism, the more he will seek to interfere with the actions of individual companies.

Welcome to your New Normal of Lies and Exaggerations by the Greatest Con man

When America is winnining, Americans win. It’s too bad there is nobody opposing Trump that has a plan to help the old guard back to relevance.
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Let's see


GDP
Jun 30, 2019 2.28%
Dec 31, 2018 2.52%
Dec 31, 2017 2.80%
Dec 31, 2016 2.03%
Dec 31, 2015 1.90%
Dec 31, 2014 2.88%
Dec 31, 2013 2.61%
Dec 31, 2012 1.47%
Dec 31, 2011 1.61%
Dec 31, 2010 2.57%
Dec 31, 2009 0.18%
Dec 31, 2008 -2.75%

Where's the damage that must be fixed? Also keep in mind that growth rate is not the monetary value of the economy. Rate would naturally slow when the size has reached a big enough level. A similar growth rate between a weak and a strong economy does not mean the economies are equal in value. In fact, a similar growth rate between a strong economy and a weak one would indicate an actual greater economic value in growth attained by the stronger economy.

Sales of new homes steadily grew under Trump and are much better than under Obama

Consumer comfort index constantly rose under Trump and is much better than under Obama.

People in employment rose steadily under Trump and are much better than under Obama.

Unemployment steadily declined under Trump and is much better than under Obama.

Size of the Economy is larger and healthier under Trump.


Median income

Dec 31, 2018 61,937.00
I didn't bother with 2017 since Trump needs a 2 year jump to not look so bad
Dec 31, 2016 59,039.00
Dec 31, 2015 56,515.84
Dec 31, 2014 53,657.47
Dec 31, 2013 51,939.48
Dec 31, 2012 51,016.86
Dec 31, 2011 50,053.97

What's the damage that must be fixed?

Wage growth
Trump’s own Council of Economic Advisers contradicts his “decades of flat wages” claim, saying 2018 was “the sixth consecutive year of positive real hourly earnings growth for nonsupervisory workers and the longest streak since the eight years of consecutive earnings growth from 1995 through 2002.” (The CEA adjusts for inflation using the Personal Consumption Expenditures Price Index, or PCE, not the Consumer Price Index that BLS uses.)

What's the damage that needs to be fixed?

Socialism
Trump’s tariffs are not only a new tax for Americans, but a policy of directly picking winners and losers in the economy. The interests of steel workers, for example, are being placed above the interest of consumers and farmers. This leads to the government using tax dollars to prop up farmers. Of course this spending means that tax-paying consumers are hit yet again, with their tax dollars being used for this new welfare program.

Government interventionism doesn’t simply stop there. The natural result of these new government barriers is for businesses to seek ways around them, such as Harley’s decision to move some manufacturing to Europe. This, of course, sparked backlash from President Trump, threatening further retaliation for such a move. As we've seen time and time again, the more Trump digs in to his support for protectionism, the more he will seek to interfere with the actions of individual companies.

Welcome to your New Normal of Lies and Exaggerations by the Greatest Con man

Tariffs are not a new tax for Americans. They were the main source of Federal income for the new nation. The Founders were also in favor of tariffs on foreign competitors of American business. They were very much in favor of protecting American business from foreign predation. They were absolutely "America First."

They were also very much for free trade so long as it was not destructive of American business or of national security. Tariffs would be applied to equalize imbalances in trade when foreign governments created it with its own tariffs or regulations that made their goods cheaper to make and sell and American goods difficult to sell. Tariffs also made it more possible for the manufacture of necessary weapons, critical for our defense and sovereignty, to be made in America rather than depending on foreign sources, especially when those sources might be inimical to our interests.

And Tariffs are not socialism. And they don't directly pick winners and losers in the American economy. They create the ability to have winners in the American economy. Harley is FREE to move if it cannot compete with other American companies. That is not socialism.

Trump's new "new normal" is much better than Obama's.

As long as you claim it it must be true
Long economic expansions are always felt as safer the longer they last.
This one started under Obama and has continued steadily since.
This administration has chosen which businesses had to pay tariffs.
Redistribution of income, choosing who can succeed is socialism.
Tariffs were the only tax the USA had for more than a century.
Trump is more protectionist than Bernie and he threatened to penalize Harley if they offshored their production to offset the retaliatory tariffs.
He’s a conman
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Damage isn’t tied to the economy, it’s withour allies and the lost trust in how the US values the agreements it enters into. The environment is the big loser in Trump world.
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As long as you claim it it must be true

Thanks for claiming that. But I stand on what I said as being true. Rebut it if you can.

Long economic expansions are always felt as safer the longer they last. This one started under Obama and has continued steadily since.

None last forever--few, if any, without interruptions. Determining the start point in a continuously fluid national economy is prone to biased interpretation. Where we are now started around 1776--with bumps and changes evolving to what we have now.

If we must attribute an economy to the President who presides over it, then Trump's economy is better than Obama's. I don't see the damage it has created that must, as you say, be fixed.

This administration has chosen which businesses had to pay tariffs.

Businesses that created a competitive advantage for themselves by buying foreign components or manufacturing in foreign countries.


Redistribution of income, choosing who can succeed is socialism.

That is nonsense. All buying and selling redistributes income. And that process "chooses" success and failure. Businesses fail annually by the thousands because they are not able to redistribute others incomes into their coffers. That is not socialism.

What we commonly, politically, refer to as redistribution of income, is government taking of income by taxes and directly redistributing it to those who have done nothing to get it, buy it, or earn it. That kind of redistribution of income is not the collateral effect of competition nor the monopolization of manufacturing nor the gaining of competitive edge by avoiding taxes and regulations, nor of hiring cheaper labor or buying cheaper resources, nor the placing of tariffs on any of those practices.


Tariffs were the only tax the USA had for more than a century.

I essentially said that in a bit lengthy edit of my post while you were replying, so didn't see your post till after I finished editing. So, indeed, tariffs are not a new tax for Americans as you claimed.

Trump is more protectionist than Bernie and he threatened to penalize Harley if they offshored their production to offset the retaliatory tariffs.
He’s a conman
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Protectionism is not socialism. As I said, the founders were protectionists, and for good reason. Our national sovereignty is in a vulnerable position now because much of the strong manufacturing sector that we once had, and which produced all we needed for defense has been "offshored" to foreign nations, some of which are now our greatest enemies.

There is no "con" in trying to correct that. Nor will it be easy. Nor does opposing everything Trump tries to do helpful.

Damage isn’t tied to the economy, it’s withour allies and the lost trust in how the US values the agreements it enters into. The environment is the big loser in Trump world.
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It is a talking point that Trump has damaged trust in us by our allies. The notion that there is this unified cluster of allies who are all trustworthy is nonsense. Can you name a European country that has not changed its policies, or governmental structures, or economic and trade policies since the U.S. entered an alliance with them. They are all in a constant state of flux. And the only component in which they truly put a trust in us is our power and the hope that we would be the big brother who protects them and their interests. Interests, BTW, which have often been at odds with ours.

Here you go
How to apply for exemption from paying tariffs that are decided on a case by case basis.
https://www.interlogusa.com/answers/blog/file-tariff-exemptions-new-china-tariffs/

You can think that our historical allies are not eyeing this administration skeptically perhaps you could ask the Israelis, Ukraine, South Korea, Japan, North Korea, Russia, China, Taiwan, etc

They all see that Florida-man has no well considered foreign policy and flies by the seat of his pants using either his gut or the great and unmatched wisdom he claims to have.
He is easily manipulated, his word has no value because it can change in a moment for no discernible reason.
Just keep believing
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Here you go
How to apply for exemption from paying tariffs that are decided on a case by case basis.
https://www.interlogusa.com/answers/blog/file-tariff-exemptions-new-china-tariffs/

You can think that our historical allies are not eyeing this administration skeptically perhaps you could ask the Israelis, Ukraine, South Korea, Japan, North Korea, Russia, China, Taiwan, etc

They all see that Florida-man has no well considered foreign policy and flies by the seat of his pants using either his gut or the great and unmatched wisdom he claims to have.
He is easily manipulated, his word has no value because it can change in a moment for no discernible reason.
Just keep believing
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Great analysis!! Very coherent, simply put, easy to follow, and the true key to solving the problem. You really do know so much about Trump and the rest of the world and what they all think. You would make a fabulous, well admired, and first rate talking head on CNN.

Poor guy,he is getting close to snapping.
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I bet he was up all night in his bunker taping articles and pictures on the wall convincing himself of things that aren't true:conf:

Great analysis!! Very coherent, simply put, easy to follow, and the true key to solving the problem. You really do know so much about Trump and the rest of the world and what they all think. You would make a fabulous, well admired, and first rate talking head on CNN.
As you would on RT
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Lindsey’s view in essence
"He’s incompetent. He's a large malevolent child. You can't hold him to the same standards of other humans let alone presidents. So there’s just no way they could have executed this."
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Lindsey’s view in essence
"He’s incompetent. He's a large malevolent child. You can't hold him to the same standards of other humans let alone presidents. So there’s just no way they could have executed this."
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Lindsey's view in specific on the impeachment inquiry "This, to me, is a manufactured issue created by some unknown whistleblower who needs to be known, and the phone call is the basis for the impeachment allegation," "I don’t think the president did anything wrong."

Lindsey's view in specific on the impeachment inquiry "This, to me, is a manufactured issue created by some unknown whistleblower who needs to be known, and the phone call is the basis for the impeachment allegation," "I don’t think the president did anything wrong."

And now Lindsey is taking the goalposts and going home, because there is no defense to what Trump did.

Start here with Colludy

Rudy Giuliani
@RudyGiuliani
The investigation I conducted concerning 2016 Ukrainian collusion and corruption, was done solely as a defense attorney to defend my client against false charges, that kept changing as one after another were disproven.

So is this what he is saying: I was directed by the President to conduct foreign policy to further his personal interests, not to serve the American people.

That’s devastatingly incriminating for Trump, in terms of both impeachment and the criminal law.

Or perhaps you still don't understand even one of the crimes committed.

Maybe it would help you to understand if the facts were applied to a CEO. If we learned that Jamie Dimon's personal lawyer, on Dimon's orders, was sabotaging the company and its profits to defend Jamie personally, that would obviously be a breach of his duties to JPM.

Or if you are in my field, construction: Imagine you’re accepting bids for a job for your employer. You tell one of the bidders that you’ll award him the contract if he tells your employer that one of your rivals for a promotion was taking bribes from bidders on the job. Your employer would fire you.

Or—you’re a company salesman and the company gives you a credit card to use on your sales trip. You take the credit card and throw a big party for yourself. If the company catches you, you get fired, and they report you to the cops.

Here, Floridaman wasn’t playing with a measly credit card; he was abusing the powers of the presidency for his own personal benefit— including withholding hundreds of millions of dollars in congressionally appropriated military aid to an ally against Russian hegemony.

This portrayal is simply not accurate
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This portrayal is simply not accurate
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Why?

And now Lindsey is taking the goalposts and going home, because there is no defense to what Trump did.

Hey, you're the one who started the let's quote Lindsey game.

Start here with Colludy

Rudy Giuliani
@RudyGiuliani
The investigation I conducted concerning 2016 Ukrainian collusion and corruption, was done solely as a defense attorney to defend my client against false charges, that kept changing as one after another were disproven.

So is this what he is saying: I was directed by the President to conduct foreign policy to further his personal interests, not to serve the American people.

No, that's not what he said.

That’s devastatingly incriminating for Trump, in terms of both impeachment and the criminal law.

Or perhaps you still don't understand even one of the crimes committed.

Maybe it would help you to understand if the facts were applied to a CEO. If we learned that Jamie Dimon's personal lawyer, on Dimon's orders, was sabotaging the company and its profits to defend Jamie personally, that would obviously be a breach of his duties to JPM.

Giuliani was not sabotaging the company, he was defending his client against false charges. Giuliani was searching for evidence which would help him to defend Trump against false charges.

Or if you are in my field, construction: Imagine you’re accepting bids for a job for your employer. You tell one of the bidders that you’ll award him the contract if he tells your employer that one of your rivals for a promotion was taking bribes from bidders on the job. Your employer would fire you.

Giuliani was not accepting bids for a job. There were no rival bidders.

Or—you’re a company salesman and the company gives you a credit card to use on your sales trip. You take the credit card and throw a big party for yourself. If the company catches you, you get fired, and they report you to the cops.

There was no party. There was serious investigation into corruption and evidence that would help to fight against false charges.

Here, Floridaman wasn’t playing with a measly credit card; he was abusing the powers of the presidency for his own personal benefit— including withholding hundreds of millions of dollars in congressionally appropriated military aid to an ally against Russian hegemony.

And then you end the nonsensical framing of your argument with a flourish of pontification. Very much like a prosecutor or defense attorney making the usual slanted summation to the jury in hopes that it will obfuscate any truth that might damage his case.

And then you end the nonsensical framing of your argument with a flourish of pontification. Very much like a prosecutor or defense attorney making the usual slanted summation to the jury in hopes that it will obfuscate any truth that might damage his case.

You have no truth, Trump withheld the aid for his benefit.

“The president’s interests” are not the goal of U.S. foreign policy.
Trump is not the sole author of U.S. policy.
The whole scandal is about the president arbitrarily withholding aid to Ukraine that had been approved by the U.S. Congress.

Why?

It is a poorly constructed fable that was created for gullible detractors.
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It is a poorly constructed fable that was created for gullible detractors.
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Keep believing as Floridaman goes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HpA4ldGoHRQ

You have no truth, Trump withheld the aid for his benefit.

The "President's interests” are not the goal of U.S. foreign policy.
Trump is not the sole author of U.S. policy.
The whole scandal is about the president arbitrarily withholding aid to Ukraine that had been approved by the U.S. Congress.

Yeah, I have a truth. I have many. In this regard, I have not fully expressed my truth. I have pushed back against much of what has been said that I disagree with. But I haven't spoken my whole truth.

My truth is that there is far more going on in our country, and in the world, than Trump's foibles. I have expressed that much. And I think that what has been attempted against Trump, from the beginning of his election and well before is more about the larger movement in our politics. Trump is just the current obstacle to that movement. And whatever it requires for that movement to take him down justifies for it any lack of truth. The stakes are too high for it to care about honor or truth.

As far as Trump is concerned, I think that he is bigly angered over what was done to him with the whole Russian collusion attempt to take him down. And very understandably angry. And he tends to fight fire with more and greater fire. Does that blind him to what is prudent? Perhaps so. But he fights back with whatever means are available to him, including those that have been used against him. Perhaps especially those that have been used against him.

The levers of government corrupted by political desires and aims have been used to try to take him out. He probably will use, as much as he thinks he can, the same to do back to those who did it to him. He has not gone as far, yet, as creating some huge hoax, some totally fictitious and destructive narrative. But he is fiercely using whatever political and legal levers available to vindicate himself and punish those who tried to destroy him. And while that self serving, if successful, benefits him politically, it would certainly benefit the country to expose what has been attempted and who did it. And it would, collaterally put a chink in that greater movement to which I referred.

This Ukraine stuff, carefully framed by his opposition to finally get him, and carefully framed by him and his supporters to appear perfectly fine, is too small an incident for me to care about. The Ukraine got its money. It made a statement that it doesn't have to comply with if it wishes not to, and may harm or help Biden win a nomination. Whatever I may think of Trump in a negative way, that can be amplified doubly towards Biden. I see Biden as the useful, corrupt, flotsam that helps to further erode our constitutional republic into the totally antithetical Progressive system of government which, if fully implemented, will very quickly evolve into full socialism and worse. And it is perfectly "legal" to ask Ukraine to investigate Biden corruption in Ukraine. Biden is not immune simply because he is a political opponent. And it is acceptable to withhold aid for the purpose of assuring that corruption will be addressed. That is essentially what Biden did. That is the kind of "quid pro quo" that is involved in all foreign aid--not necessarily about corruption, but some kind of benefit to the country that gives it.

The mountain out of a molehill concern over investigating the Bidens for corruption, which I believe surely exists and deserves investigation and exposure, definitely as much or more than the Russian collusion nonsense, is chicken chit compared to what wdmso would call the big picture. I don't doubt that Biden is every bit, if not more, corrupt than Trump, except that he has not had to be in the risky and economically perilous arena of the market place to display it. He's only been a gland-handing, self promoting and self aggrandizing politician helped by the Party machine to which he owes his success, and so been responsible for politically helping us down the road, as Hayek would say, to serfdom.

So no, I don't "believe" in Trump, as you continuously insist. But I believe he is far less the evil to our Republic than is the direction of the Democrat Party. And if "saving" Trump is necessary to combat that direction, that is worth it to me. And don't give me the nonsense that if Trump gets away with whatever little piece of dirt you think he is guilty of that it will destroy some rule of law or "our democracy." That kind of dirt has been around since the beginning. It's up to us voters to determine, unfortunately in this case, what is the bigger and more harmful dirt.

And yeah, I will engage in the careful parsing of words to match or combat the same well crafted ones that are thrown against Trump. Because my truth is, we have arrived at a seminal point in the evolution of this country's political framework that the direction will either be reversed toward the founding principles or develop into a fully authoritarian state (a supposedly "benevolent" one) and then quickly subsumed into a global one.

Yeah, I have a truth. I have many. In this regard, I have not fully expressed my truth. I have pushed back against much of what has been said that I disagree with. But I haven't spoken my whole truth.

And yeah, I will engage in the careful parsing of words to match or combat the same well crafted ones that are thrown against Trump. Because my truth is, we have arrived at a seminal point in the evolution of this country's political framework that the direction will either be reversed toward the founding principles or develop into a fully authoritarian state (a supposedly "benevolent" one) and then quickly subsumed into a global one.

If the Republican party are the cards you are playing, I am afraid that you will lose.

Your Trump is neither a libertarian, a conservative or a republican and could care less about anyone else. He consistently works for his own benefit. I also think he has too much power, presidential power has consistently grown for decades. The President is an administrator, not a King.

Perhaps with term limits the people could again gain control of Congress and control the administrative branch, but with a permanent political class (who Trump controls one side of) we have little hope.

I see a greater chance of the right moving to a fully authoritarian state (not a benevolent one) than the left.

case in point
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IM87WMsrCWM

The left may try and take your money and waste some but the right will take your soul and make it so others can slowly bleed all you have while you thank them for the opportunity.

This Ukraine stuff, carefully framed by his opposition to finally get him, and carefully framed by him and his supporters to appear perfectly fine, is too small an incident for me to care about.

Interesting how you pick and choose your "constitutional" battles to fight. I think almost all the deposition transcripts are providing the evidence of quid pro quo, the money and aid was dependent on the Ukraine leader starting an investigation into the Bidens and for Trumps PERSONAL political gain. The it's all about corruption smoke screen is just that an attempt to hide the real reason for holding back the aid.

Its an abuse of power, it's asking for foreign help in our elections, it's what he admitted on camera he is ok doing; it's clear as a bell. Too funny you think the Democrats framed this all to take Trump down, the corruption is usually either in plain sight, or so poorly devised and played out, he can't help but get caught.

I think almost all the deposition transcripts are providing the evidence of quid pro quo,



that must be why they're not calling it a quid pro quo anymore :rotf2:

it's asking for foreign help in our elections,



wrong

that must be why they're not calling it a quid pro quo anymore :rotf2:

Floridaman isn't, but the witnesses are

Donald J. Trump
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False stories are being reported that a few Republican Senators are saying that President Trump may have done a quid pro quo, but it doesn’t matter, there is nothing wrong with that, it is not an impeachable event. Perhaps so, but read the transcript, there is no quid pro quo!

The transcript still has not been released but there is plenty of evidence of quid pro quo, besides the Memo of Telecon

1. Ukraine Diplomat Bill Taylor's text messages
2. Bill Taylor's testimony
3. Gordon Sondland tells Sen. Johnson
4. Gordon Sondland lawyer's comments
5. Fiona Hill's testimony
6. Lt Col. Vindman's testimony
7. Tim Morrison's testimony
8. Mick Mulvaney's public comments

Trump's defense is failing as fast as his casinos or his foundations since the great and all-knowing Stable Genius must pay $2M judgment for improperly using his Trump Foundation charity to further his 2016 presidential campaign, judge rules Thursday.

Floridaman isn't, but the witnesses are



try to keep up democraps are changing their tune....they are all very nervous...hope that whistleblower testifies :hihi:

try to keep up democraps are changing their tune....they are all very nervous...hope that whistleblower testifies :hihi:
Look, we keep on using this euphemistic expression 'quid pro quo.' The actual term for what occurred is extortion, and extortion is a crime.

Just keep looking for needles

Look, we keep on using this euphemistic expression 'quid pro quo.' The actual term for what occurred is extortion, and extortion is a crime.

Just keep looking for needles

There you go now you are up to speed.
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Here this will help you follow along
https://www.justsecurity.org/66972/a-whos-who-of-ukraine-witnesses/

Interesting how you pick and choose your "constitutional" battles to fight. I think almost all the deposition transcripts are providing the evidence of quid pro quo, the money and aid was dependent on the Ukraine leader starting an investigation into the Bidens and for Trumps PERSONAL political gain. The it's all about corruption smoke screen is just that an attempt to hide the real reason for holding back the aid.

Its an abuse of power, it's asking for foreign help in our elections, it's what he admitted on camera he is ok doing; it's clear as a bell. Too funny you think the Democrats framed this all to take Trump down, the corruption is usually either in plain sight, or so poorly devised and played out, he can't help but get caught.

How do you know that investigating possible corruption by the Bidens would be a personal gain for Trump? Are you sure that corruption, illegality, by the Bidens would be found?

This isn't complicated:

1) Trump corruptly demanded something of personal value in exchange for official action.
2) That's the legal definition of bribery.
3) The Constitution specifies bribery as grounds for impeachment.

To say there's no impeachable offense is just nonsense.
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This isn't complicated:

1) Trump corruptly demanded something of personal value in exchange for official action.
2) That's the legal definition of bribery.
3) The Constitution specifies bribery as grounds for impeachment.

To say there's no impeachable offense is just nonsense.
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Why is asking for an investigation into Biden corruption a personal value for Trump?

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This isn't complicated:

1) Trump corruptly demanded something of personal value in exchange for official action.
2) That's the legal definition of bribery.
3) The Constitution specifies bribery as grounds for impeachment.

To say there's no impeachable offense is just nonsense.
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I think the framers were thinking of the president being bribed, that being said this is a massive scandal and it's getting worse every day. Wait till the public hearings start, Senate repubs will be throwing up in the chamber.

Trump Must Pay $2 Million Over Misuse Of Foundation Funds

the judgement, that money "was used for Mr. Trump's political campaign and disbursed by Mr. Trump's campaign staff, rather than by the Foundation," which is unlawful. However, Justice Saliann Scarpulla says the funds did eventually reach charity organizations supporting veterans.

"The Trump Foundation has shut down... let me guess its just another coordinated attack liberals to discredit Trump:smash:

schiff should be in jail

Why is asking for an investigation into Biden corruption a personal value for Trump?
What Trump required was a public announcement that there would be an investigation into Biden and Burisma. Not an investigation but merely an announcement, far more valuable than an unannounced investigation.
Sort of like the investigations in the last presidential election that were and were not announced.
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What Trump required was a public announcement that there would be an investigation into Biden and Burisma. Not an investigation but merely an announcement, far more valuable than an unannounced investigation.
Sort of like the investigations in the last presidential election that were and were not announced.
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Oh, so he didn't want an investigation. (Maybe Rudy didn't get the message.) (And the transcript of the phone call wasn't really Trump talking when it was asked if Zelensky could investigate corruption and also look into the Biden thing.) And the Ukraine President announcing that his justice dept. was going to investigate corruption into the Burisma thing was supposed to be very valuable to Trump's campaign (did he specifically ask that the announcement would mention the Bidens?) and would somehow be interfering with our election. And did Trump assume that there would be no investigation, just an announcement? :huh:

If the Dems argument was that
“We picked this case out of the several Trump was investigating”, it would be purely political.
But this administration has investigated almost no corruption, reduced anti corruption programs and then sent Colludy and crew to do a back channel investigation.
With the best investigative agencies in the world at hand, he sets up his own. And all he is interested in concerns his political adversaries
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you are on the wrong side of history pete...

it's not going well for the democrats corrupt, collusive scam....

Oops! Adam Schiff’s star witness may have lied under oath -- not a good look for public testimony slated next week in the "impeachment inquiry." Last night, Tucker Carlson revealed that his show had received exclusive access to an email from the personal account of former Ambassador to Ukraine Marie Yovanovitch that contradicts testimony she offered under oath. The fired former ambassador who disagrees with Trump administration policy is a key witness for Adam Schiff’s impeachment efforts.

It wasn’t a “shadow foreign policy”: It was a use & abuse of access to foreign leaders, official acts & public officials, for personal political gain. That’s not conducting US foreign policy, that’s corruptly executing a political strategy for a candidate.
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also heard she was dating hunter biden...

It wasn’t a “shadow foreign policy”: It was a use & abuse of access to foreign leaders, official acts & public officials, for personal political gain. That’s not conducting US foreign policy, that’s corruptly executing a political strategy for a candidate.
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trump was seeking the truth which is a real problem for these corrupt democrats and deep state hacks

Trump Must Pay $2 Million Over Misuse Of Foundation Funds

the judgement, that money "was used for Mr. Trump's political campaign and disbursed by Mr. Trump's campaign staff, rather than by the Foundation," which is unlawful. However, Justice Saliann Scarpulla says the funds did eventually reach charity organizations supporting veterans.

"The Trump Foundation has shut down... let me guess its just another coordinated attack liberals to discredit Trump:smash:

Just another Trump con, used it for making it appear he was helping veterans, while using the money for his campaign expenses, fools fooled by a fool.
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you are on the wrong side of history pete...

it's not going well for the democrats corrupt, collusive scam....

Oops! Adam Schiff’s star witness may have lied under oath -- not a good look for public testimony slated next week in the "impeachment inquiry." Last night, Tucker Carlson revealed that his show had received exclusive access to an email from the personal account of former Ambassador to Ukraine Marie Yovanovitch that contradicts testimony she offered under oath. The fired former ambassador who disagrees with Trump administration policy is a key witness for Adam Schiff’s impeachment efforts.

Sure looks like she lied under oath about contacting the democrats. Again, that doesn't necessarily mean that her testimony is false, but it's one more suspicious event in a growing pile.

you are on the wrong side of history pete...

it's not going well for the democrats corrupt, collusive scam....

Oops! Adam Schiff’s star witness may have lied under oath -- not a good look for public testimony slated next week in the "impeachment inquiry." Last night, Tucker Carlson revealed that his show had received exclusive access to an email from the personal account of former Ambassador to Ukraine Marie Yovanovitch that contradicts testimony she offered under oath. The fired former ambassador who disagrees with Trump administration policy is a key witness for Adam Schiff’s impeachment efforts.
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Just another Trump con, used it for making it appear he was helping veterans, while using the money for his campaign expenses, fools fooled by a fool.
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Trump has done more for our veterans than any president in my lifetime.
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Didn’t say he hasn’t done some good as he should as president, but that specific “charitable” organization was a sham and now he has to pay the price.
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There is way more credible evidence that Rep. Gym Jordan covered up a sexual abuse scandal at Ohio State than there is evidence Joe Biden did anything wrong related to Ukraine.
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Didn’t say he hasn’t done some good as he should as president, but that specific “charitable” organization was a sham and now he has to pay the price.
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he should get don junior a no-show job with burisma to raise the money to pay the fine

What Trump required was a public announcement that there would be an investigation into Biden and Burisma. Not an investigation but merely an announcement, far more valuable than an unannounced investigation.
Sort of like the investigations in the last presidential election that were and were not announced.
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He’s just trolling you
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There is way more credible evidence that Rep. Gym Jordan covered up a sexual abuse scandal at Ohio State than there is evidence Joe Biden did anything wrong related to Ukraine.
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so whataboutism is ok when you do
it, but not when anyone else does it?
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he should get don junior a no-show job with burisma to raise the money to pay the fine

Boy you guys are stuck solidly in the way back machine, it's a constant stream of whataboutism.

so whataboutism is ok when you do
it, but not when anyone else does it?
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Sure,

(1) EXTORTING Ukraine: “No defense aid unless you smear Biden & clear Putin re 2016”

AND

(2) soliciting a BRIBE from Ukraine: “If you help me win 2020, I’ll help you defend your country against Russia.”

Lunch is served

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Sure,

(1) EXTORTING Ukraine: “No defense aid unless you smear Biden & clear Putin re 2016”

AND

(2) soliciting a BRIBE from Ukraine: “If you help me win 2020, I’ll help you defend your country against Russia.”

biden didn’t extort Ukraine?
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biden didn’t extort Ukraine?
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He did,but two wrongs don’t make a right.
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Sure,

(1) EXTORTING Ukraine: “No defense aid unless you smear Biden & clear Putin re 2016”

AND

(2) soliciting a BRIBE from Ukraine: “If you help me win 2020, I’ll help you defend your country against Russia.”

now you sound exactly like that idiot schiff

biden didn’t extort Ukraine?
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No, extortion is a crime Jim.
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No, extortion is a crime Jim.
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Well I'm not a lawyer, but I did hear Biden brag that he threatened to withhold monetary aid to Ukraine, unless they did what he wanted. I hear a lot of people saying Trump should be impeached for essentially doing the same thing. Of course, that's after years of them saying he should be impeached just because they didn't like him, so the threshold is somewhat nebulous and flexible, for what constitutes an impeachable offense. Apparently it all depends on whose ox is getting gored.

Well I'm not a lawyer, but I did hear Biden brag that he threatened to withhold monetary aid to Ukraine, unless they did what he (and the US state department, Congress, the IMF, the EU etc.) wanted. I hear a lot of people saying Trump should be impeached for essentially doing the same thing. Of course, that's after years of them saying he should be impeached just because they didn't like him, so the threshold is somewhat nebulous and flexible, for what constitutes an impeachable offense. Apparently it all depends on whose ox is getting gored.
Not the same thing at all.
Asking a foreign country to investigate an American, when there is no domestic criminal investigation into him and no predicate is a non-starter.
We have domestic law enforcement avenues for that.
If Floridaman really wanted to root out corruption there are US government processes to do that.

State Department bureau—the Bureau of International Narcotics and Law Enforcement (INL)—focused on law enforcement efforts overseas, including investigating corruption. For 2020 the Trump administration proposed cutting the budget for this by 40%, what does that say about the concern with corruption?

Alert the Ukraine ambassador, and let him deal with it
Ambassadors can’t interfere in a corruption investigation or direct that one be opened, but they can pass information along to experts at the embassy—including INL experts and Department of Justice personnel.

Request cooperation (officially)
If there were an actual U.S. government investigation into alleged criminal activity by Americans in Ukraine, or foreigners suspected of violating U.S. laws, a request for cooperation could have been made through a formal process that’s run by DOJ’s Office of International Affairs. Once MLAT requests are vetted by the DOJ, they are transmitted to a foreign country’s “central authority”—in this case, Ukraine's Ministry of Justice. If granted in the foreign country, this arrangement could allow the DOJ to obtain documents, locate people, take testimony, request searches and seizures, freeze assets and more. If the United States were actually pursuing criminal investigations into corruption in Ukraine, U.S. officials would have made a request under our MLAT for cooperation.

So was Trump's goal to investigate corruption and as Lindsey Graham suggests he is either too incompetent or too stupid to do it correctly or was his goal to get dirt on Biden and as Putin and Orban suggested to him, prove that Ukraine, not Russia was responsible for interference in the 2016 election.
Either way he is unfit for office.

Not the same thing at all.
Asking a foreign country to investigate an American, when there is no domestic criminal investigation into him and no predicate is a non-starter.
We have domestic law enforcement avenues for that.
If Floridaman really wanted to root out corruption there are US government processes to do that.

State Department bureau—the Bureau of International Narcotics and Law Enforcement (INL)—focused on law enforcement efforts overseas, including investigating corruption. For 2020 the Trump administration proposed cutting the budget for this by 40%, what does that say about the concern with corruption?

Alert the Ukraine ambassador, and let him deal with it
Ambassadors can’t interfere in a corruption investigation or direct that one be opened, but they can pass information along to experts at the embassy—including INL experts and Department of Justice personnel.

Request cooperation (officially)
If there were an actual U.S. government investigation into alleged criminal activity by Americans in Ukraine, or foreigners suspected of violating U.S. laws, a request for cooperation could have been made through a formal process that’s run by DOJ’s Office of International Affairs. Once MLAT requests are vetted by the DOJ, they are transmitted to a foreign country’s “central authority”—in this case, Ukraine's Ministry of Justice. If granted in the foreign country, this arrangement could allow the DOJ to obtain documents, locate people, take testimony, request searches and seizures, freeze assets and more. If the United States were actually pursuing criminal investigations into corruption in Ukraine, U.S. officials would have made a request under our MLAT for cooperation.

So was Trump's goal to investigate corruption and as Lindsey Graham suggests he is either too incompetent or too stupid to do it correctly or was his goal to get dirt on Biden and as Putin and Orban suggested to him, prove that Ukraine, not Russia was responsible for interference in the 2016 election.
Either way he is unfit for office.

so if state department also wanted ukraine to investigate biden, then what trump did was he OK to you? have you taken a poll of the state department to get their opinion in this?

you’ll say anything to make the case.
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you’ll say anything to make the case.

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it's hot in pete's bunker

so if state department also wanted ukraine to investigate biden, then what trump did was he OK to you? have you taken a poll of the state department to get their opinion in this?

you’ll say anything to make the case.
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Let’s be clear the State Department and all these government career employees are record keepers and: if the State Department, Giuliani, Mulvaney, Perry, had information that could clear Trump - that was helpful to Trump - they would be banging on the Congressional hearing room door demanding to testify. They don’t. Their truthful testimony would (further) sink Trump.

so if state department also wanted ukraine to investigate biden, then what trump did was he OK to you? have you taken a poll of the state department to get their opinion in this?

you’ll say anything to make the case.
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you cant follow the bouncing ball to well can you :deadhorse:

Let’s be clear the State Department and all these government career employees are record keepers and: if the State Department, Giuliani, Mulvaney, Perry, had information that could clear Trump - that was helpful to Trump - they would be banging on the Congressional hearing room door demanding to testify. They don’t. Their truthful testimony would (further) sink Trump.

Once again, you didn't respond to what I asked, not even close.

You said that what Biden did with quid pro quo in K=Ukraine wasn't extortion, because the State Department was on board. SO using your logic (your logic, not mine), if the State Department was OK with Trump asking Ukraine to investigate Biden, that would not be extortion? just seeing if that standard only applies to Biden.

I have news for you. Trump is going to be the nominee in 2020. The house will probably impeach, there's no way the senate convicts, not based on what we know now. Zero chance. There may even be some democrats who don't vote for conviction like the coal guy Munchin from WV.

I'm not saying Trump will win. I'm saying he's going to be the nominee.

you cant follow the bouncing ball to well can you :deadhorse:

Hey Einstein, read Pete's post, or have someone read it to you. Pete said that Bidens quid pro quo when he was VP wasn't extortion, because the state department was on board. So I asked if that standard also applied to Trump.

I'm sorry if that's going too fast for you, I don't know how to simplify it.

Well I'm not a lawyer, but I did hear Biden brag that he threatened to withhold monetary aid to Ukraine, unless they did what he wanted. I hear a lot of people saying Trump should be impeached for essentially doing the same thing. Of course, that's after years of them saying he should be impeached just because they didn't like him, so the threshold is somewhat nebulous and flexible, for what constitutes an impeachable offense. Apparently it all depends on whose ox is getting gored.
Not even remotely the same and I'm a bit perplexed how you can't see the difference. What Biden did was akin to a bank telling you they're not going to approve your mortgage until you get your credit score up.

Once again, you didn't respond to what I asked, not even close.

You said that what Biden did with quid pro quo in K=Ukraine wasn't extortion, because the State Department was on board. SO using your logic (your logic, not mine), if the State Department was OK with Trump asking Ukraine to investigate Biden, that would not be extortion? just seeing if that standard only applies to Biden.

I have news for you. Trump is going to be the nominee in 2020. The house will probably impeach, there's no way the senate convicts, not based on what we know now. Zero chance. There may even be some democrats who don't vote for conviction like the coal guy Munchin from WV.

I'm not saying Trump will win. I'm saying he's going to be the nominee.

I think you are incapable of critical thought

What you asked was
so if state department also wanted ukraine to investigate biden, then what trump did was he OK to you? have you taken a poll of the state department to get their opinion in this?

My answer was
Let’s be clear the State Department and all these government career employees are record keepers and: if the State Department, Giuliani, Mulvaney, Perry, had information that could clear Trump - that was helpful to Trump - they would be banging on the Congressional hearing room door demanding to testify. They don’t. Their truthful testimony would (further) sink Trump.

Maybe you think they would not come forth with evidence to clear Trump or that I need to actually take a poll.

Not even remotely the same and I'm a bit perplexed how you can't see the difference. What Biden did was akin to a bank telling you they're not going to approve your mortgage until you get your credit score up.

Oh. Because firing a crooked prosecutor makes it more likely they could pay us back? We all know Biden and Obama were very frugal with national spending, and wanted to make sure any loans will be repaid back. Biden was just acting as a mortgage underwriter. Of course!

And Trump, as the executive branch, has no authority to inquire as to Americans engaged in corruption in other countries. Gotcha.

Pete, you said Bidens quid pro quo was OK because he had the state departments permission. I asked if Trump was held to the same standard.

Pete, you said Bidens quid pro quo was OK because he had the state departments permission. I asked if Trump was held to the same standard.

and i said

if the State Department, Giuliani, Mulvaney, Perry, had information that could clear Trump - that was helpful to Trump - they would be banging on the Congressional hearing room door demanding to testify.

Hear any banging????????????

Anyone other than Trumplicans saying it is ok

and i said

if the State Department, Giuliani, Mulvaney, Perry, had information that could clear Trump - that was helpful to Trump - they would be banging on the Congressional hearing room door demanding to testify.

Hear any banging????????????

Anyone other than Trumplicans saying it is ok

You're assuming he has been proven to be guilty. If that were so, using your flawed process of deduction, the inquiry would be over.

State dept quid pro quo goes like this happens all the Time at the direction of the secretary of state (its called policy)

Country A if you want US assistance you need to do A) improve human rights B) follow the rule of law C) allow inspectors in then we'll give you assistance


Trumps quid pro quo goes like this tells his personal lawyer to tell country A (ukraine) if you want the assistance that congress has already approved for you .. you need to
A) investegate the bidens (His political rival) B) announce it publicly your investigating them for corruption (with no evidence provided or required ) then we'll give you the assistance congress already approved ...

if you can not fundamentally see a difference ..your in the Trump Cult :kewl:

State dept quid pro quo goes like this happens all the Time at the direction of the secretary of state (its called policy)

Country A if you want US assistance you need to do A) improve human rights B) follow the rule of law C) allow inspectors in then we'll give you assistance


Trumps quid pro quo goes like this tells his personal lawyer to tell country A (ukraine) if you want the assistance that congress has already approved for you .. you need to
A) investegate the bidens (His political rival) B) announce it publicly your investigating them for corruption (with no evidence provided or required ) then we'll give you the assistance congress already approved ...

if you can not fundamentally see a difference ..your in the Trump Cult :kewl:

The merry-go-round continues, why anyone spends so much energy in a debate with one side who can’t or won’t see the difference is just fruitless. You can post evidence, quotes from the depositions, video from White House staff and they will not budge, but have fun with it.
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The merry-go-round continues, why anyone spends so much energy in a debate with one side who can’t or won’t see the difference is just fruitless. You can post evidence, quotes from the depositions, video from White House staff and they will not budge, but have fun with it.
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Sounds just like arguing with a Democrat
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Not even remotely the same and I'm a bit perplexed how you can't see the difference. What Biden did was akin to a bank telling you they're not going to approve your mortgage until you get your credit score up.

This statement is akin to being retarded. But perhaps you are simply misunderstood.
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State dept quid pro quo goes like this happens all the Time at the direction of the secretary of state (its called policy)

Country A if you want US assistance you need to do A) improve human rights B) follow the rule of law C) allow inspectors in then we'll give you assistance


Trumps quid pro quo goes like this tells his personal lawyer to tell country A (ukraine) if you want the assistance that congress has already approved for you .. you need to
A) investegate the bidens (His political rival) B) announce it publicly your investigating them for corruption (with no evidence provided or required ) then we'll give you the assistance congress already approved ...

if you can not fundamentally see a difference ..your in the Trump Cult :kewl:

This interpretation of what you envision as standard policy is far from accurate.
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The merry-go-round continues, why anyone spends so much energy in a debate with one side who can’t or won’t see the difference is just fruitless. You can post evidence, quotes from the depositions, video from White House staff and they will not budge, but have fun with it.
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What kind of douchebag demonstrates why you should not continue the discussion,but then cant help but continue the stupidity he just served as an example? Go play golf or play with Peg. But stop looking for attention with your incessant complaining. This is why snowflakes are generally viewed as big babies screaming “look at me”. Just stop stomping your feet long enough to realize what a bitch really is.
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Bad day at work😜SD, you seem angry, someone needs a hug. You of all people shouldn’t be using the discussion argument. Here is your typical discussion, best president of my lifetime, four more years, snowflakes, I’m not sure I’ve ever seen you have an in depth discussion.
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This is my work. I guess you just had a good day at being stupid.
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This interpretation of what you envision as standard policy is far from accurate.
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Please feel free to show where I am inaccurate
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So let's get this straight.

Trumplicans are arguing that all people willing to testify under oath are lying, and all people unwilling to testify under oath are telling the truth.

And that, ladies and gentlemen, is how #^&#^&#^&#^&ING STUPID Trumplicans are.
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President Donald Trump slammed Hillary Clinton staffers who requested immunity or invoked their Fifth Amendment rights in response to requests to testify about the former secretary of state's private email server.

"If you are not guilty of a crime, what do you need immunity for?" Trump said

Yet He directs his people to ingnore congressional subpoenas....

Lol
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This statement is akin to being retarded. But perhaps you are simply misunderstood.
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Care to level up by making a point?
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You just made my point, but I really should not have to dumb it down for a grown man. Feel free to think when you are inclined to do so.
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Trump whined and screamed that the case against him and his foundation was partisan and the he would never settle because he did nothing wrong.

He settled AND he admitted liability.

With that in mind, look at the way Trump is behaving with the impeachment inquiry.
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