Unemployment down to 3.5%.

Just sayin’...this is one part of the conversation.

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Pelosi is going to hate that..

Funny when Obama turned the economy around from the depths Bush left us there wasn't monthly threads started about it. If someone posts how Obama's stats are similar or better than Trumps v the economy you will complain about it.

Funny when Obama turned the economy around from the depths Bush left us there wasn't monthly threads started about it. If someone posts how Obama's stats are similar or better than Trumps v the economy you will complain about it.

bitter clinger

snarky one

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Pelosi is going to hate that..

Didn't you hear her? She's Catholic, she doesn't hate anyone or anything, her Catholicism forbids it. Her Catholicism also forbids her to be rabidly pro-abortion, I guess no one told her that...

Funny when Obama turned the economy around from the depths Bush left us there wasn't monthly threads started about it. If someone posts how Obama's stats are similar or better than Trumps v the economy you will complain about it.

I gave him credit all the time, although Obama's recovery was the slowest of all time, and he didn't lower my taxes. But the economy was a lot better when he left that what he inherited.

The 2008 crash wasn't Bush's fault, come on. He did very little to contribute to subprime mortgages. I mean, if you blame Bush for that, then you are saying a President owns the economic results during his term, and using that logic you have to give Trump an A. So which is it?

yes its good but big picture it was boosted by the return to work of 48,000 auto workers following a 40-day strike

He won’t figure this out for days.
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Speaking of ass kicking, the national debt is at a record $23,089,914,098,997 as Floridaman put $3.1 trillion on the taxpayers’ credit card to buy a sugar-high economy, and while unemployment numbers sound good, the poverty rate in NC is 15-20% in many counties.

And just so we're clear on the math, $3.1 trillion is enough money to create 4,428,800 jobs for 10 years.

From CNBC of all places...

"The end of the GM strike helped inflate the number, with 41,300 jobs added in motor vehicles and parts, but the overall gain in payrolls was still about 100,000 better than expected by many economists. Manufacturing gained 54,000 overall"

winning!!!

Speaking of ass kicking, the national debt is at a record $23,089,914,098,997 as Floridaman put $3.1 trillion on the taxpayers’ credit card to buy a sugar-high economy, and while unemployment numbers sound good, the poverty rate in NC is 15-20% in many counties.

And just so we're clear on the math, $3.1 trillion is enough money to create 4,428,800 jobs for 10 years.

you reflexively, instinctively cannot allow good news to stand.

'the poverty rate in NC is 15-20% in many counties.'

Curious why you picked NC. The capital city of uber-liberal Connecticut, one of the wealthiest states in the nation, and a city run by liberals for 75 years, is above 30%. So very curious why you picked NC...

winning!!!

Big time. Hence the gibberish response.

you reflexively, instinctively cannot allow good news to stand.

'the poverty rate in NC is 15-20% in many counties.'

Curious why you picked NC. The capital city of uber-liberal Connecticut, one of the wealthiest states in the nation, and a city run by liberals for 75 years, is above 30%. So very curious why you picked NC...

Just for your benefit

The national debt is at a record $23,089,914,098,997 as Floridaman put $3.1 trillion on the taxpayers’ credit card to buy a sugar-high economy

And just so we're clear on the math, $3.1 trillion is enough money to create 4,428,800 jobs for 10 years.

Just for your benefit

The national debt is at a record $23,089,914,098,997 as Floridaman put $3.1 trillion on the taxpayers’ credit card to buy a sugar-high economy

And just so we're clear on the math, $3.1 trillion is enough money to create 4,428,800 jobs for 10 years.

I've been saying for a long time that the debt needs to be dealt with. Most people only care about debt when their party is not in the oval office, hypocrisy on both sides.

Why'd you pick NC to talk about poverty rates?

Dad: "Son, here's $50, go have a good time.
Son: "Thanks Dad, you're the greatest, I've never had so much money!
Mom: "You know we're two months behind on the mortgage payment
Dad: So?

Dad: "Son, here's $50, go have a good time.
Son: "Thanks Dad, you're the greatest, I've never had so much money!
Mom: "You know we're two months behind on the mortgage payment
Dad: So?

Oh, we're bouncing checks at the federal level?

You're making up gibberish.

I gave him credit all the time, although Obama's recovery was the slowest of all time, and he didn't lower my taxes. But the economy was a lot better when he left that what he inherited.

The 2008 crash wasn't Bush's fault, come on. He did very little to contribute to subprime mortgages. I mean, if you blame Bush for that, then you are saying a President owns the economic results during his term, and using that logic you have to give Trump an A. So which is it?

The point of my post is that you seem to need affirmation w/Trump and almost every month start a thread about the economy.

I've always said that Pres. get too much credit/blame for economy and that if anyone was to give the Pres. credit they should wait until like the middle of the 2nd year.

Don't forget that the tea part was started bc of the huge defecit.

you reflexively, instinctively cannot allow good news to stand.

'the poverty rate in NC is 15-20% in many counties.'

Curious why you picked NC. The capital city of uber-liberal Connecticut, one of the wealthiest states in the nation, and a city run by liberals for 75 years, is above 30%. So very curious why you picked NC...

Don't you constantly bring up NC when you want to compare it to Conn?

Hypocrisy at it's finest.

gibberish.

is that the latest insult you constantly throw around?

You should use "you and your ilk" more to change it up a little.

is that the latest insult you constantly throw around?

You should use "you and your ilk" more to change it up a little.

He's just practicing the Trumplican defense, though he missed the Gym Jordan memo to do it LOUDLY AND REALLY FAST:fury:

Don't you constantly bring up NC when you want to compare it to Conn?

Hypocrisy at it's finest.

I do bring it up, and I can explain why, as if you didn't already know... NC and SC have some communities with a very high standard of living, and very low taxes. Not every community in NC and SC fit that description obviously, but some do, more than zero do. Here in CT, there are exactly zero places that fit that description. Not one. Zero. I think that's significant. I bring up NC as evidence that CT taxes are not necessary to fund a high quality of life, nor are they necessary to provide great public schools, so it's actually relevant when I bring it up.

By contrast, I'm not sure what the poverty rate in some southern counties has to do with the jobs report. Every state has brutally poor areas. Pete was offering that to refute the good news of the jobs report, which is absurd. The United States federal government will never eradicate poverty.

is that the latest insult you constantly throw around?

You should use "you and your ilk" more to change it up a little.

Only when what's been said, is impossible to discern. Seeing more and more of that as re-election possibilities sink in.

The point of my post is that you seem to need affirmation w/Trump and almost every month start a thread about the economy.

I've always said that Pres. get too much credit/blame for economy and that if anyone was to give the Pres. credit they should wait until like the middle of the 2nd year.

Don't forget that the tea part was started bc of the huge defecit.

I don't need to affirm anything with Trump. Just pointing out facts. If I'm making a post about the economy once a month, that's a good thing, because it means that there's good economic news monthly. I'm not making stuff up out of thin air. Just injecting some truth. I'm sorry if facts and truth seem so startling to you and your ilk, maybe you should spend less time embracing the gibberish.

He's just practicing the Trumplican defense, though he missed the Gym Jordan memo to do it LOUDLY AND REALLY FAST:fury:

Can't answer the question I asked twice, eh?

"Gym" Jordan, I get it! Ha ha ha, please stop my stomach hurts from laughing so hard.

Your signature says that Sondland stated there was a quid pro quo. You seem to have left out the part where he said very clearly, that this was a presumption, he had zero evidence. He presumes there was. Others presume there wasn't.

Your signature says that Sondland stated there was a quid pro quo. You seem to have left out the part where he said very clearly, that this was a presumption, he had zero evidence. He presumes there was. Others presume there wasn't.
This isn't really true, he definitely said there was a quid pro quo, he said he presumed it was directed by the president. The evidence overwhelmingly shows that it was...

This isn't really true, he definitely said there was a quid pro quo, he said he presumed it was directed by the president. The evidence overwhelmingly shows that it was...

True, his presumption is that Trump ordered it.

I do bring it up, and I can explain why, as if you didn't already know... NC and SC have some communities with a very high standard of living, and very low taxes. Not every community in NC and SC fit that description obviously, but some do, more than zero do. Here in CT, there are exactly zero places that fit that description. Not one. Zero. I think that's significant.

Zero hypocrisy.

Not sure what the poverty rate in some southern counties has to do with the jobs report. Every state has brutally poor areas. Pete was offering that to refute the good news of the jobs report, which is absurd. The United States federal government will never eradicate poverty.

When you look at states, it looks more like blind belief in rhetorical baloney than hypocrisy on someones part. Cheaper isn't all that counts. Don't forget Floridaman is doing things for black unemployment and that must be wonderful for Hartford and Bridgeport.
And of course income distribution can't be an issue because, well just because. Otherwise it would be somekindofevilism and we can't have that.

38. North Carolina
• Median household income: $52,752
• Population: 10,273,419 (9th highest)
• 2017 unemployment rate: 4.6 percent (17th highest)
• Poverty rate: 14.7 percent (13th highest)

Some 14.7 percent of North Carolina residents live below the poverty line, one of the higher poverty rates in the country.

5. Connecticut
• Median household income: $74,168
• Population: 3,588,184 (22nd lowest)
• 2017 unemployment rate: 4.7 percent (16th highest)
• Poverty rate: 9.6 percent (5th lowest)

Connecticut is one of just a handful of states with a poverty rate under 10 percent, at 9.6 percent.

When you look at states, it looks more like blind belief in rhetorical baloney than hypocrisy on someones part. Cheaper isn't all that counts. Don't forget Floridaman is doing things for black unemployment and that must be wonderful for Hartford and Bridgeport.
And of course income distribution can't be an issue because, well just because. Otherwise it would be somekindofevilism and we can't have that.

38. North Carolina
• Median household income: $52,752
• Population: 10,273,419 (9th highest)
• 2017 unemployment rate: 4.6 percent (17th highest)
• Poverty rate: 14.7 percent (13th highest)

Some 14.7 percent of North Carolina residents live below the poverty line, one of the higher poverty rates in the country.

5. Connecticut
• Median household income: $74,168
• Population: 3,588,184 (22nd lowest)
• 2017 unemployment rate: 4.7 percent (16th highest)
• Poverty rate: 9.6 percent (5th lowest)

Connecticut is one of just a handful of states with a poverty rate under 10 percent, at 9.6 percent.

“cheaper isn’t all that counts.”

i agree, which is why every time, i
mention places that have low cost AND a high quality of
living. My point is that insanely high taxes are not necessary to deliver a high quality of life. Not sure how you didn’t see that.

I’m not saying every city in NC is good, or that every city in CT is bad. My point is that there are cities out there that deliver high quality at low cost, and exactly zero if those cities are in CT. If I’m
wrong, please tell
us which cities in CT are cheap
and have a high standard of living?

How would you possibly make that wrong?

CT is losing population, NC is booming. CT is dying, getting worse and worse every year. It cannot be saved.

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This isn't really true, he definitely said there was a quid pro quo, he said he presumed it was directed by the president. The evidence overwhelmingly shows that it was...

you'd better get new carpeting for your safe space......

From CNBC of all places...

"The end of the GM strike helped inflate the number, with 41,300 jobs added in motor vehicles and parts, but the overall gain in payrolls was still about 100,000 better than expected by many economists. Manufacturing gained 54,000 overall"
Yes it was. I am sure holiday hirings helped as well
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November jobs report crushed snowflakes :jester:

November jobs report crushed snowflakes :jester:


Some are frustrated when they hear good news about the economy.
A good recession would make them feel smarter.

you reflexively, instinctively cannot allow good news to stand.

'the poverty rate in NC is 15-20% in many counties.'

Curious why you picked NC. The capital city of uber-liberal Connecticut, one of the wealthiest states in the nation, and a city run by liberals for 75 years, is above 30%. So very curious why you picked NC...

Nc avg poverty rate is 14.7 they rank 37th

CT avg poverty rate is 9.6 they rank 5th



All data from talkpoverty.org

Seems NC and CT have issues... local political parties have little influence on national boom or doom trends .
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Nc avg poverty rate is 14.7 they rank 37th

CT avg poverty rate is 9.6 they rank 5th



All data from talkpoverty.org

Seems NC and CT have issues... local political parties have little influence on national boom or doom trends .
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CT is richer than NC (mostly because of our good fortune of having beautiful coastline near Manhattan, which NC does not have). Yet CT is losing popultion, and NC is growing. Do you know why that is? I do. It's because unlike CT, NC has some towns that are very cheap and that yet offer a very high quality of life. CT has precisely zero towns that are cheap with a high quality of life.

NC is booming, CT is circling the drain, drowning in debt. True or false? Connecticut's wealth cannot save it from 40 years of pure, unchecked liberalism.

CT is richer than NC (mostly because of our good fortune of having beautiful coastline near Manhattan, which NC does not have). Yet CT is losing popultion, and NC is growing. Do you know why that is? I do. It's because unlike CT, NC has some towns that are very cheap and that yet offer a very high quality of life. CT has precisely zero towns that are cheap with a high quality of life.

NC is booming, CT is circling the drain, drowning in debt. True or false? Connecticut's wealth cannot save it from 40 years of pure, unchecked liberalism.

you struggle with relative facts.. 2017 to 2018 Connecticut's population has decreased from 3,573,880 to 3,572,665 or a total reduction of 1,215 people OMG NC has 6 million more people then CT i am guessing this hasn't happened over night NC also has a popular coast go to hilton head and see all the 900k houses

Children receiving food stamps (SNAP): 696,000 in NC
Children receiving food stamps (SNAP): 154,000 in CT

https://spotlightonpoverty.org/states/north-carolina/
https://spotlightonpoverty.org/states/connecticut/

and to pin the blame on Liberalism alone shows your lack of insight and inability to see the bigger picture .

The most popular previous residences for people moving to N.C. in 2017 were:

Florida (32K)
Virginia (29K)
South Carolina (27K)
New York (27K)
California (20K)


The fastest shrinking states
West Virginia.
Illinois. ...
Vermont. 1-yr pop. ...
Connecticut. 1-yr pop. ...
Wyoming. 1-yr pop. ...
Pennsylvania. 1-yr pop. ...
Mississippi. 1-yr pop. ...
New York. 1-yr pop. ...


Fastest growing states Utah Nevada Idaho Florida Washington Oregon Colorado Arizona and all for different reasons running from liberalism or conservatism.. Not high on most peoples reasons to move

November jobs report crushed snowflakes :jester:

now they're:btu: Real

NC also has a popular coast go to hilton head and see all the 900k houses


Hilton Head is in South Carolina
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Hilton Head is in South Carolina
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Only for Republicans
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Hilton Head is in South Carolina
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i don’t know any wall street investment bankers who commute to the Outer Banks.
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you struggle with relative facts.. 2017 to 2018 Connecticut's population has decreased from 3,573,880 to 3,572,665 or a total reduction of 1,215 people OMG NC has 6 million more people then CT i am guessing this hasn't happened over night NC also has a popular coast go to hilton head and see all the 900k houses

Children receiving food stamps (SNAP): 696,000 in NC
Children receiving food stamps (SNAP): 154,000 in CT

https://spotlightonpoverty.org/states/north-carolina/
https://spotlightonpoverty.org/states/connecticut/

and to pin the blame on Liberalism alone shows your lack of insight and inability to see the bigger picture .

The most popular previous residences for people moving to N.C. in 2017 were:

Florida (32K)
Virginia (29K)
South Carolina (27K)
New York (27K)
California (20K)


The fastest shrinking states
West Virginia.
Illinois. ...
Vermont. 1-yr pop. ...
Connecticut. 1-yr pop. ...
Wyoming. 1-yr pop. ...
Pennsylvania. 1-yr pop. ...
Mississippi. 1-yr pop. ...
New York. 1-yr pop. ...


Fastest growing states Utah Nevada Idaho Florida Washington Oregon Colorado Arizona and all for different reasons running from liberalism or conservatism.. Not high on most peoples reasons to move

Cost of living is very high in reasons for moving. Cost of
living tends to be higher
in liberal states.

i’ve lives in CT my whole
life. The unfunded debt is 120 billion, which is 40,000 for every one of the 3 million people living there. So on top of current taxes which are insanely high, funding the debt requires another 160,000 for every family of 4.

having high taxes is bad. having impossible debt is bad. having both at the same time, requires next generation stupidity. And CT is as blue as it gets. Even you can connect those dots.
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wdmso, for the tenth time, i never said every city in the Carolinas is great. It’s part of the deep south, which is suffering the horrible effects of a culture that never really embraced making good long term decisions.

But the Carolinas has something CT does not have. It has some places ( suburbs of charlotte) that are booming with good jobs and new construction, places which offer a high quality of life with a very low price tag. Not every place is like that in the Carolinas. But some are. CT has exactly zero such places.

Most places that young families are fleeing to ( good jobs, great schools, super low taxes) are in conservative states. I wouldn’t want to throw a dart at a map if NC and raise my kids wherever it landed. But there are places there that are far superior, i. terms of bang for the buck, than anything CT has to offer.

You can’t make that wrong, you just can’t. Here in CT our population is shrinking, only a few states can claim shrinking population and were one of them.
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wdmso, for the tenth time, i never said every city in the Carolinas is great. It’s part of the deep south, which is suffering the horrible effects of a culture that never really embraced making good long term decisions.

But the Carolinas has something CT does not have. It has some places ( suburbs of charlotte) that are booming with good jobs and new construction, places which offer a high quality of life with a very low price tag. Not every place is like that in the Carolinas. But some are. CT has exactly zero such places.

Most places that young families are fleeing to ( good jobs, great schools, super low taxes) are in conservative states. I wouldn’t want to throw a dart at a map if NC and raise my kids wherever it landed. But there are places there that are far superior, i. terms of bang for the buck, than anything CT has to offer.

You can’t make that wrong, you just can’t. Here in CT our population is shrinking, only a few states can claim shrinking population and were one of them.
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Just saying things change for a million reasons
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Just saying things change for a million reasons
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very true. But in CT, poll after poll shows that families and retirees are fleeing because of taxes. CT no longer has any value proposition.

My brother
moved his business and his family from CT to a spectacular suburb in Nashville. He saves over $1,000 a month in taxes.

I could move to NH tomorrow, buy a house exactly like
mine in a town with comparable schools near Boston, and save $700 a month in taxes. over a few decades, it’s hundreds of thousands of dollars. For what? What am I getting for that premium i pay? Nothing. Absolutely nothing. CT is a horribly, horribly run place. Businesses are moving to Massachusetts for the tax savings.

I can’t move because of
my parents, they’re older, they live a mile away, and they rely heavily on my wife to run them
around. And they won’t move. They’d be screwed if i left. If not for them, i’d be in NH in a flash. The tax savings would
pay for two of my kids to go to a public college. It’s mind boggling.

I have a 12 year old
minivan, and. a three year old pickup truck ( lowest tr version that Ford offers), and i pay $1,000 a year to my town in property taxes on those two cars.
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