Ironic that in 2011 Trump warned the Republican Party that Obama would attack Iran in order to get re-elected and he may have just done exactly that. No argument that the General was one evil SOB and while I trust our military, I question the current appointed head and I don’t trust the judgement of Trump. He wanted to avoid war, well I think he may have just guaranteed an escalation and potential for a larger conflict.

Not a fan of Trump.

He did say for Iran to get their people away from our Embassy.

Iran has been fueling the fires of the region, from AFG to Yemen, to Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, and Israel. Soleimani was the mastermind running all those board games. He is responsible for the death and maiming of a thousand Americans and probably over 100 thousand others. If you know an American Military member that lost a limb or suffered TBI in Iraq - Soleimani had a significant hand in that.

Going to be a rocky road ahead

Ironic that in 2011 Trump warned the Republican Party that Obama would attack Iran in order to get re-elected and he may have just done exactly that. No argument that the General was one evil SOB and while I trust our military, I question the current appointed head and I don’t trust the judgement of Trump. He wanted to avoid war, well I think he may have just guaranteed an escalation and potential for a larger conflict.

when did Trump “attack Iran?”

again, Trump was supposed
to do nothing when Iran assisted in the murder of a US citizen? if he did nothing, Pete would be attacking him for that. It literally doesn’t matter what he does...

i’m not saying we not be very thoughtful where Iran is concerned. But it’s a big stretch to say he attacked Iran.
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Our country has, quite self-consciously, given one person, the President, an enormous sprawling military and enormous discretion to use it in ways that can easily lead to a massive war. That is our system: one person decides.

I think Floridaman is an incompetent conman, in way over his head, who has systematically dismantled a large tranche of support, both within his government and from other nations. Based on his record in office, I fear that the people who typically would and that we as a country need to help shoulder the load will approach this like they would any madman with a gun. Very warily and unwilling to destroy their careers or endanger their countries for someone who will throw you under the bus in a heartbeat.

Now Jim will as always jump to his defense.

when did Trump “attack Iran?”

again, Trump was supposed
to do nothing when Iran assisted in the murder of a US citizen? if he did nothing, Pete would be attacking him for that. It literally doesn’t matter what he does...

i’m not saying we not be very thoughtful where Iran is concerned. But it’s a big stretch to say he attacked Iran.
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If the shoe was on the other foot and Iran took out the head of our military while overseas with a strategic strike to do just that, don’t you think every single president past, present or future wouldn’t characterize it as an attack on America. Come on let’s get real.

If the shoe was on the other foot and Iran took out the head of our military while overseas with a strategic strike to do just that, don’t you think every single president past, present or future wouldn’t characterize it as an attack on America. Come on let’s get real.

The head of our military wouldn't be in another country committing acts of terror. Slight difference.

Our country has, quite self-consciously, given one person, the President, an enormous sprawling military and enormous discretion to use it in ways that can easily lead to a massive war. That is our system: one person decides.

I think Floridaman is an incompetent conman, in way over his head, who has systematically dismantled a large tranche of support, both within his government and from other nations. Based on his record in office, I fear that the people who typically would and that we as a country need to help shoulder the load will approach this like they would any madman with a gun. Very warily and unwilling to destroy their careers or endanger their countries for someone who will throw you under the bus in a heartbeat.

Now Jim will as always jump to his defense.

"I think Floridaman is an incompetent conman"

No sh*t.

"who has systematically dismantled a large tranche of support, both within his government and from other nations"

Please provide some evidence, any evidence, that the world supports us less now, than they did in 2016. Mexico is, for the first time in a long time, putting troops on its southern border to stem the tide of illegals from Central America. Mexico did that for Trump, not for Obama, not for Bush. Trump pulled that off.

We recently signed a new trade agreement with Canada & Mexico that was well received. Canada & Mexico didn't refuse to come to the table because of Trump.

Huge numbers of the world's poor and desperate still want to come here. The Hong Kong protesters were waving the American flag for God's sake. So where is the evidence that our standing on the international stage, has taken a meaningful hit, because Trump is a jerk? You can shriek it as many times as you want. That doesn't make it so. The evidence doesn't support your claim.

"Now Jim will as always jump to his defense"

Everyone here knows that is a crock, a pathetic, desperate attempt by you to make me appear to be a thoughtless, braindead defender of Trump. I'm nothing close to that. He is truly a morally bankrupt egomaniac. That doesn't mean he's not a good executive.

You like to claim, correctly, that Obama inherited an economic mess. And he responded well. Similarly, Trump has inherited the godawful mess in the middle east, at a time when China and Russia are really on the rise (which advanced significantly under Obama's watch, not that I'm sure he could have stopped it). Let's see what Trump does. I have no problem with the original airstrike, nor do I have a problem with how quickly he sent Marines to defend the embassy. While I won't mourn the passing of the Iranian leader we killed, I'm not saying we should have done it. I don't know yet. But right now, our country is better off that this guy is dead.

I wish Mattis was still there.

death and maiming the US has done its share

But how many Americans ever heard of this General and theses these atrocities
How many Americans are asking if he was so evil why now ?

how many Americans are saying Now Trump believes his intelligence community he was planning attacks against diplomats,

2019 Trump administration labels them a terrorists group.. is this the new way around targeted killings well call them or anyone a terrorist , and we are good to go

Trumps rolling the dice on this one , with the markets , American lives which in my view he has now put at greater risk than they were yesterday, totally told Iraq to f off by ignoring their sovereignty ,, Iraqis can see this clearly

I appreciate President @realDonaldTrump's bold action against Iranian aggression. To the Iranian government: if you want more, you will get more," Graham tweeted.

Just another example of Republicans willingness to concede their responsibility and enable Trumps vision of executive power

Sadly there is no upside if it dosen't escalate Trumps will see his choice as validation to his genius and he will broaden these actions , if it does escalate Trump and his supporters will blame Iran

What would Americans think if Iran called the joint chief of staff a terrorist and they killed him and others in their motorcade in a 3 rd country they were visiting?

"I think Floridaman is an incompetent conman"

No sh*t.

"who has systematically dismantled a large tranche of support, both within his government and from other nations"

Please provide some evidence, any evidence, that the world supports us less now, than they did in 2016. Mexico is, for the first time in a long time, putting troops on its southern border to stem the tide of illegals from Central America. Mexico did that for Trump, not for Obama, not for Bush. Trump pulled that off.

We recently signed a new trade agreement with Canada & Mexico that was well received. Canada & Mexico didn't refuse to come to the table because of Trump.

Huge numbers of the world's poor and desperate still want to come here. The Hong Kong protesters were waving the American flag for God's sake. So where is the evidence that our standing on the international stage, has taken a meaningful hit, because Trump is a jerk? You can shriek it as many times as you want. That doesn't make it so. The evidence doesn't support your claim.

"Now Jim will as always jump to his defense"

Everyone here knows that is a crock, a pathetic, desperate attempt by you to make me appear to be a thoughtless, braindead defender of Trump. I'm nothing close to that. He is truly a morally bankrupt egomaniac. That doesn't mean he's not a good executive.

You like to claim, correctly, that Obama inherited an economic mess. And he responded well. Similarly, Trump has inherited the godawful mess in the middle east, at a time when China and Russia are really on the rise (which advanced significantly under Obama's watch, not that I'm sure he could have stopped it). Let's see what Trump does. I have no problem with the original airstrike, nor do I have a problem with how quickly he sent Marines to defend the embassy. While I won't mourn the passing of the Iranian leader we killed, I'm not saying we should have done it. I don't know yet. But right now, our country is better off that this guy is dead.

I wish Mattis was still there.

Obama managed to box in and economically strangle both Russia and Iran without ever firing a shot.

Trump has singlehandedly undone all of that; resuscitated their influence; and endangered American interests in return for absolutely nothing.

If you think there is no problem, just book a room at a Trump property for the next month.

death and maiming the US has done its share

But how many Americans ever heard of this General and theses these atrocities
How many Americans are asking if he was so evil why now ?

how many Americans are saying Now Trump believes his intelligence community he was planning attacks against diplomats,

2019 Trump administration labels them a terrorists group.. is this the new way around targeted killings well call them or anyone a terrorist , and we are good to go

Trumps rolling the dice on this one , with the markets , American lives which in my view he has now put at greater risk than they were yesterday, totally told Iraq to f off by ignoring their sovereignty ,, Iraqis can see this clearly

I appreciate President @realDonaldTrump's bold action against Iranian aggression. To the Iranian government: if you want more, you will get more," Graham tweeted.

Just another example of Republicans willingness to concede their responsibility and enable Trumps vision of executive power

Sadly there is no upside if it dosen't escalate Trumps will see his choice as validation to his genius and he will broaden these actions , if it does escalate Trump and his supporters will blame Iran

What would Americans think if Iran called the joint chief of staff a terrorist and they killed him and others in their motorcade in a 3 rd country they were visiting?

'death and maiming the US has done its share "

In the modern era, we don't start wars of aggression.

"But how many Americans ever heard of this General "

Not the least bit relevant. Too many people watch re-runs of 'Friends' instead of the news, that doesn't mean the guy isn't guilty as hell.

"if he was so evil why now ?" Either because this is the first time this target was somewhere where we could get him, or because we now have a president who won't allow others to murder Americans with no response.

"2019 Trump administration labels them a terrorists group.. is this the new way around targeted killings well call them or anyone a terrorist , and we are good to go"

Trump isn't the first person to label this guy a terrorist, not even close. Can you ever be honest?

"Trumps rolling the dice on this one "

Very, very true.

Why is Graham's statement to Iran, a "concession" of his responsibility? He's warning Iran not to target Americans, and you criticize him for that? I think most Americans are OK with a US Senator warning Iran that there may be grave consequences if they try to target Americans. But you think Graham is conceding responsibility for saying that?

Trump can't declare war with Iran by himself. Only Congress can do that.

Is One Man’s Terrorist Another Man’s Freedom Fighter?


How one decides which is which depends on what end of the gun your on:nailem:

Obama managed to box in and economically strangle both Russia and Iran without ever firing a shot.

Trump has singlehandedly undone all of that; resuscitated their influence; and endangered American interests in return for absolutely nothing.

"Obama managed to box in and economically strangle both Russia and Iran without ever firing a shot."

I don't know what planet you happen to live on, but here on Earth, Obama sent Iran a jillion dollars in cash in the middle of the night. That's your idea of "economic starvation"? Is there any lie you won't tell to show that liberal=good, conservative=bad?

I gave Obama good marks on the economy and killing terrorists. He was a complete flop at reigning in adversarial heads of state. As you claim that Trumps bullying will make the world hate us, you and Obama feel that apologizing to and appeasing the bullies would make them like us more. That's not a theoretical speculation anymore, Obama did it for 8 years, and we know how it played out, the empirical evidence is right there. It didn't work well.

You are now at the point, where you literally aren't even worth reading or responding to.

Obama starved Iran economically. That's a good one.

Is One Man’s Terrorist Another Man’s Freedom Fighter?


How one decides which is which depends on what end of the gun your on:nailem:

We don't target civilians. We go out of our way to avoid harming them (you can't always do so, especially when dealing with enemies who use women and children as shields). If you can't see that, you're beyond clueless.

Seems like a vanity play, very risky, Iraq is close to falling apart anyway and Trump does this? I don’t buy the defensive argument.
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"Obama managed to box in and economically strangle both Russia and Iran without ever firing a shot."

I don't know what planet you happen to live on, but here on Earth, Obama sent Iran a jillion dollars in cash in the middle of the night. That's your idea of "economic starvation"? Is there any lie you won't tell to show that liberal=good, conservative=bad?

I gave Obama good marks on the economy and killing terrorists. He was a complete flop at reigning in adversarial heads of state. As you claim that Trumps bullying will make the world hate us, you and Obama feel that apologizing to and appeasing the bullies would make them like us more. That's not a theoretical speculation anymore, Obama did it for 8 years, and we know how it played out, the empirical evidence is right there. It didn't work well.

You are now at the point, where you literally aren't even worth reading or responding to.

Obama starved Iran economically. That's a good one.

Obama returned THEIR money as part of a bilateral agreement that Floridaman has broken without the agreement of our allies. He did not give them our money.
The current rise in oil prices will help Russia tremendously and Putin is ecstatic to see what is happening in the ME in the last year with Floridamans incompetence.
Don't worry Floridaman might just kill NATO with this horrorshow, nobody really wants to have to be on his side.
Maybe he should just send Rudy to round up some help.

Pete, Obama boxed in Russia? Tellthat to Ukraine and Crimea.
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Pete, Obama boxed in Russia? Tellthat to Ukraine and Crimea.
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You support Floridaman and you are worried about Ukraine and Crimea?
He's not and never has been, just why do you think the Ukrainian ambassador wrote an Op ed when Floridaman was intimating that Russia should just take over Crimea.
The right wing spin on Ukraine and Obama is uninformed at best.
Ukraine had and has tremendous corruption issues and just giving them missiles without training would have been useless. Look at the record of what was done, not the spewed baloney.

'death and maiming the US has done its share "

In the modern era, we don't start wars of aggression. Not really the point was it

"But how many Americans ever heard of this General "

Not the least bit relevant. Too many people watch re-runs of 'Friends' instead of the news, that doesn't mean the guy isn't guilty as hell.

very relevant we kill someone then say how evil he was not all American are on a Trump IV drip


"if he was so evil why now ?" Either because this is the first time this target was somewhere where we could get him, or because we now have a president who won't allow others to murder Americans with no response.


if you believe this is True refer back to IV drip


"2019 Trump administration labels them a terrorists group.. is this the new way around targeted killings well call them or anyone a terrorist , and we are good to go"

Trump isn't the first person to label this guy a terrorist, not even close. Can you ever be honest?

again you missed the point

"Trumps rolling the dice on this one "

Very, very true.

Why is Graham's statement to Iran, a "concession" of his responsibility? He's warning Iran not to target Americans, and you criticize him for that? I think most Americans are OK with a US Senator warning Iran that there may be grave consequences if they try to target Americans. But you think Graham is conceding responsibility for saying that?

Trump can't declare war with Iran by himself. Only Congress can do that.

Trumps not trying to declare war hes is trying to start one but he doesn't think he is .

Otto Warmbier death , President Trump officially announced re-listing North Korea as a State Sponsor of Terrorism.

why didn't we kill Kim or his generals with air strikes for otto ? Trump gave him 2 summits

this is the issues with our current foreign policy, do you even have one that coherent

wdmso, you said that only those in a trump IV drip would
agree this guy was evil. I completely disagree. But you say it, because it makes Trumps actions seem inappropriate. is John R on the Trump IV drip? because he knew about this guy.

you people will
say anything, anything, to make him look bad. you’ll ignore any fact, make up any fiction.
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We don't target civilians. We go out of our way to avoid harming them (you can't always do so, especially when dealing with enemies who use women and children as shields). If you can't see that, you're beyond clueless.

no kidding , but to think enemies who use women and children as shields is the reason we have killed civilians is a sad, that is classic :faga:

no kidding , but to think enemies who use women and children as shields is the reason we have killed civilians is a sad, that is classic :faga:

gibberish.
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An article by a smart Iranian refugee and it is a short read.

I am concerned that Floridaman does not have the patience, temperament, skill or support to put what Katiri thinks is a possible outcome together and it will end as another concession to Russia.


Early Friday morning, a U.S. drone strike killed Qassem Soleimani, the head of Iran’s Quds Force, as he rode in a convoy at Iraq’s Baghdad International Airport.

It couldn’t have happened to a better guy. But the question is: What comes next? Because unlike the killing of Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, which was a capstone operation, the decision to kill Soleimani is likely to have significant downstream consequences.

The spectrum of possible scenarios is too wide, but the likely outcomes sit closer to the mean, which is continuing escalation from Iran, which would in turn require further escalation from the United States. The good news is that America holds all the good cards and has the opportunity to shape the region’s domestic and international politics.

https://thebulwark.com/killing-soleimani-creates-opportunity-for-america-and-its-allies/

I saw Chris Murphy crying that Trump didn't work with Congress on this.

(1) the democrats in congress have been saying for 23 years that Trump is Russian agent, a criminal, a racist, the second coming of Hitler. And then they act surprised that Trump didn't reach out to them? The democrats have made it clear they don't want a working relationship with Trump, and this is what not having a relationship looks like.

(2) Obama didn't consults Congress about the Bid Laden raid until after it happened, as far as I recall. Chris Murphy didn't cry about it.

Lindsey Graham (who I'm not a big fan of) was 100% correct when he tweeted today that if Iran responds by seeking mass American casualties, they can kiss their oil fields good-bye. Iran doesn't respond to presidents trying to appease them. It didn't work for Carter, and it didn't work for Obama.

Might be time to put 50% of my IRA in cash. I don't like the vibes that are being given here...

I saw Chris Murphy crying that Trump didn't work with Congress on this.

(1) the democrats in congress have been saying for 23 years that Trump is Russian agent, a criminal, a racist, the second coming of Hitler. And then they act surprised that Trump didn't reach out to them? The democrats have made it clear they don't want a working relationship with Trump, and this is what not having a relationship looks like.
Tough #^&#^&#^&#^&, nobody made Birtherman King
Right wing media has been amplifying any and all comments re Floridaman's real or perceived transgressions. He hears everything bad anyone says about him every am watching Faux. It certainly looks like the converse is true of Floridaman as well, perhaps you missed Floridaman's behavior, tweets and rhetoric.

(2) Obama didn't consults Congress about the Bid Laden raid until after it happened, as far as I recall. Chris Murphy didn't cry about it.

Obama notified the gang of eight prior to the OBL sanction, which was carried out under the auspices of the CIA. This looks like it was done by the DOD. Different rules apply.

Lindsey Graham (who I'm not a big fan of) was 100% correct when he tweeted today that if Iran responds by seeking mass American casualties, they can kiss their oil fields good-bye. Iran doesn't respond to presidents trying to appease them. It didn't work for Carter, and it didn't work for Obama.

Might be time to put 50% of my IRA in cash. I don't like the vibes that are being given here...

It will be several years before we know the effect of this on the ME.
And now is when we need diplomats skilled in the ME, we'll see if this can be pulled together by Floridaman's best............. Tillerson and Pompeo have decimated the State Department with Floridamans approval.

Pete, if trump is required by law to notify congress and he didn’t, let’s have another impeachment vote. If he’s not required, than the democrats haven’t earned the right to any niceties.
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US Homeland Security Acting Secretary Chad Wolf has released a statement praising the air strike against Soleimani

Awful lot of cheerleading going on .. as if it was bin laden
Trying to put a postive spin on this targeted assasination... or should it be called a murder?
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Pete, if trump is required by law to notify congress and he didn’t, let’s have another impeachment vote. If he’s not required, than the democrats haven’t earned the right to any niceties.
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Last I knew, a functioning democracy is not a nicety in this country and they were all elected to participate in governing.
The problem is Floridaman doesn't know how government works and thinks he can do what ever he wants.

death and maiming the US has done its share

But how many Americans ever heard of this General and theses these atrocities
How many Americans are asking if he was so evil why now ?


If you have paying attention since before 9/11, you know the name.

Trumps rolling the dice on this one , with the markets , American lives which in my view he has now put at greater risk than they were yesterday, totally told Iraq to f off by ignoring their sovereignty ,, Iraqis can see this clearly

Like Obama and Pakistan?

Lots of Iraqis celebrating in the streets too

What would Americans think if Iran called the joint chief of staff a terrorist and they killed him and others in their motorcade in a 3 rd country they were visiting?

I have seen this take a bunch of times. We do not have an equivalent to Soleimani or the Quds Force and you know this. He was more an d equivalent to a Waffen SS / Stasi / Republican Guard commander all rolled up into one, with pinches of SOC and CIA.


Is One Man’s Terrorist Another Man’s Freedom Fighter?


How one decides which is which depends on what end of the gun your on:nailem:

Which one is he to you?

Seems like a vanity play, very risky, Iraq is close to falling apart anyway and Trump does this? I don’t buy the defensive argument.
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Very risky, but leaving him alone and delivering pallets of cash did not work either.

Very risky, but leaving him alone and delivering pallets of cash did not work either.
It did put a hold on their nuclear program though. Always wondered how Trump’s fragile ego might blunder us into another war. We could be witnessing it live.
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You support Floridaman and you are worried about Ukraine and Crimea?
He's not and never has been, just why do you think the Ukrainian ambassador wrote an Op ed when Floridaman was intimating that Russia should just take over Crimea.
The right wing spin on Ukraine and Obama is uninformed at best.
Ukraine had and has tremendous corruption issues and just giving them missiles without training would have been useless. Look at the record of what was done, not the spewed baloney.

"You support Floridaman and you are worried about Ukraine and Crimea?'

No, I'm not worried about Crimea or Ukraine. But despite your claim that Obama boxed Russia in, Russia managed to invade those places. I offered them to shred your idiotic claim. That's all. Obama did nothing to contain Russia. He mocked Romney for saying Russia was an adversary, which I'm sure you remember and I'm sure you thought was brilliant by Obama.

"You support Floridaman and you are worried about Ukraine and Crimea?'

No, I'm not worried about Crimea or Ukraine. But despite your claim that Obama boxed Russia in, Russia managed to invade those places. I offered them to shred your idiotic claim. That's all. Obama did nothing to contain Russia. He mocked Romney for saying Russia was an adversary, which I'm sure you remember and I'm sure you thought was brilliant by Obama.

The numbers don't support your idiotic claim, which not oddly sounds just like Trumplican baloney.

Russian GDP
13 2.297T
Russian invades it's neighbors
14 2.064T
15 1.368T
16 1.285T
Putin's Puppet is elected
17 1.578T
18 1.750T
19 1.910T
20 2.200T projected

Pete, you said Obama had them boxed in, and they went on the warpath. I'm sorry that fact shreds your claims.

Did Obama cause Russian GDP to decrease? Maybe he should have sent them a zillion dollars like he did to Iran.

Remember Obabam's red line in the sand to Syria, about not using chemical weapons? How'd that work out?

Obama gets decent grades for handling our economy, he gets a big fat F for reigning in foreign adversaries. He thought he could say "PAH-kee-ston", and that would make everyone love us. It didn't work. His ego was right up there with Trumps.

Pete, you said Obama had them boxed in, and they went on the warpath. I'm sorry that fact shreds your claims.

Did Obama cause Russian GDP to decrease? Maybe he should have sent them a zillion dollars like he did to Iran.

Remember Obabam's red line in the sand to Syria, about not using chemical weapons? How'd that work out?

Obama gets decent grades for handling our economy, he gets a big fat F for reigning in foreign adversaries. He thought he could say "PAH-kee-ston", and that would make everyone love us. It didn't work. His ego was right up there with Trumps.

Do you think Russian GDP dropped by itself? It was thru multilateral sanctions imposed by a number of nations that Floridaman has largely removed.

And just how did Floridaman's actions in Syria end up?
With the resurgence of IS and the assisted genocide of Kurds?

In Iran where after a multilateral effort dropped their GDP from 589B to 386B they signed the JCPOA and complied. Now we have a great deal with them and what might be a unilateral war on our hands.

Floridaman and his failed foreign policy attempts are nothing to brag about unless you are Putin.

wdmso, when i said this guy was a terrorist, you said one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter. John R asked which this man was to you? I didn’t see you respond. id be very curious to see your answer to that, since you brought it up and you don’t seem to think he deserves his fate.
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wdmso, when i said this guy was a terrorist, you said one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter. John R asked which this man was to you? I didn’t see you respond. id be very curious to see your answer to that, since you brought it up and you don’t seem to think he deserves his fate.
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He won’t answer. He just spouts gibberish and then sticks his head back in the sand.
This entire episode could have been avoided if previous leadership had not enabled these savages.
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The US has been fing with Iran for 70 years, if your going to blame an administration SD, you need to go much farther back. Trump just lit a fire, I hope the collateral damage isn’t going to drag us into yet another war, he is a dangerous man to be making knee jerk military decisions.

He is as qualified as most of his predecessors to make such decisions based on their track records. Bush, he was qualified and still gets the short end. I prefer blowing up monsters vs. handing them unmarked bills in exchange for a promise.
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The difference being past presidents trusted their military, defense and intelligence advisors and this nut doesn’t and I wouldn’t be surprised when all is uncovered, the intelligence wasn’t all that different than any in the past decade. This could be Trump being Trump and a distraction for his upcoming trial.

Is that your opinion or are you just spouting partisan foolishness? Do you think we eliminated this monster as a distraction? As if this will somehow make the trial go away or somehow become less of a shat show and more of a sideshow..
Seriously, what did trusting the military do for Bush’ reputation? Let alone Obozo.🤡🤷🏽#^&♂️
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After 3 years of watching this administration, I think I get the strategy:
Trump is going to keep killing Iranian generals by drone strike until the Ayatollah announces he's going to investigate Hunter Biden or until he admits he has the 2016 DNC server.
Right?
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Mike Pence is now linking 9/11 to Qasem Soleimani. As if you weren't yet convinced that nothing means anything anymore from Trumplicans, the US vice president just suggested that Soleimani helped al-Qaeda, one of Iran's greatest enemies. Total dumb#^&#^&#^&#^&s will believe this.
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Spence, you posted (maybe in another thread?) “why now?”, since neither of the previous two administrations killed this guy.

Susan Rice was
on tv last night, she said obama never had the opportunity, but if they had, they would have seriously considered it, weighing the pros and cons. She didn’t say “hell no, the cost far outweighs the benefit.”.
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heh....heh

United states give Syrian rebels tow missiles which kill thousands of Syrian troops...

Iran gives EFPs to Iraqis that kill Americans

Both incidents people were trained by other country's troops who never pulled the trigger

why is 1honorable but the other Terrorism? :btu:

It depends on which team you root for Wayne. I know you are not stupid. Suicide is considered cowardly in the USA, in Japan it is honorable...
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I never saw this perspective come up when bin laden was killed. No difference except who ordered the killing. More partisan bs from the clowns.🤡🤡🤡
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I never saw this perspective come up when bin laden was killed. No difference except who ordered the killing. More partisan bs from the clowns.🤡🤡🤡
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This statement sums up the antithesis of your moronitude in political problem solving.

I’d help you understand the difference but if you give a man a fish he eats for a day.
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This statement sums up the antithesis of your moronitude in political problem solving.

I’d help you understand the difference but if you give a man a fish he eats for a day.
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I don’t think you meant to use the word antithesis but we get the point.
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I don’t think you meant to use the word antithesis but we get the point.
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You are right. Can I buy “epitome” for $50?
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You are right. Can I buy “epitome” for $50?
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I’d be happy to fund it.
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United states give Syrian rebels tow missiles which kill thousands of Syrian troops...

Iran gives EFPs to Iraqis that kill Americans

Both incidents people were trained by other country's troops who never pulled the trigger

why is 1honorable but the other Terrorism? :btu:

(1) are you ever going to
answer whether you consider him a terrorist or a freedom
fighter?

(2) the syrian regime is a brutal
dictatorship, using chemical
weapons against their own citizens. If you’re trying to say going syrians
defend against Assad is the same as helping insurgents to kill
Americans who were there risking their lives to help people, is beyond stupid.
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It depends on which team you root for Wayne. I know you are not stupid. Suicide is considered cowardly in the USA, in Japan it is honorable...
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I never considered attacks on military targets or the IEDs I experienced or rocket attacks , as acts of terrorism

The acts of terrorism I saw in iraq were car bombs in markets attacks on pilgrims defenceless people

There was always 2 distinct groups operating 1 group wanted the US out and attacked military targets and other well know groups who rather kill civilians to instilling fear

I've seen no one saying this guy was innocent

But I see no benefit For the US to embrace targeted killing of other country's military leader as a policy is a big leap from a stateless guy in a tent

This statement sums up the antithesis of your moronitude in political problem solving.

I’d help you understand the difference but if you give a man a fish he eats for a day.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71xxvp5R9hE

I never considered attacks on military targets or the IEDs I experienced or rocket attacks , as acts of terrorism

The acts of terrorism I saw in iraq were car bombs in markets attacks on pilgrims defenceless people

There was always 2 distinct groups operating 1 group wanted the US out and attacked military targets and other well know groups who rather kill civilians to instilling fear

I've seen no one saying this guy was innocent

But I see no benefit For the US to embrace targeted killing of other country's military leader as a policy is a big leap from a stateless guy in a tent

When is the last time you served any time in politics Wayne? Just because you can’t understand the benefit from eliminating this monster does not make it wrong. It just means you don’t understand. Don’t comment unless you have been in his shoes.
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I’d be happy to fund it.
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Jeff,save your money for when Trump is re elected.
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This statement sums up the antithesis of your moronitude in political problem solving.

I’d help you understand the difference but if you give a man a fish he eats for a day.
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Welcome back from your Mensa retreat.🤯
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When is the last time you served any time in politics Wayne? Just because you can’t understand the benefit from eliminating this monster does not make it wrong. It just means you don’t understand. Don’t comment unless you have been in his shoes.
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I know only Trump understands ,, any one who disagrees simply doesn't understand . That's a god complex ...

This is in jest I am guessing. In ancient times when folks didn’t quite grasp concepts they often invoked terms like mysticism and perhaps a deity. Just so you get a better understanding,we just cut the head off a snake. Now the snake can not bite us.
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Just so you get a better understanding,we just cut the head off a snake. Now the snake can not bite us.
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You might have just put the shovel through your own foot in the process mr mensa.
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Might?
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Do you think Russian GDP dropped by itself? It was thru multilateral sanctions imposed by a number of nations that Floridaman has largely removed.


Doing a brief net search, I couldn't find that Trump "largely" removed sanctions. There was an attempt to lift them from one oligarch provided he did some things favorable to Americans, but Congress blocked that according to other articles. Perhaps my search wasn't deep enough. Can you enlighten?

Might?
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Maybe the whole leg, nobody knows how this will play out but the lack of adults in the room is of concern.
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Sound the alarm,something might happen!
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(1) are you ever going to
answer whether you consider him a terrorist or a freedom
fighter?

(2) the syrian regime is a brutal
dictatorship, using chemical
weapons against their own citizens. If you’re trying to say going syrians
defend against Assad is the same as helping insurgents to kill
Americans who were there risking their lives to help people, is beyond stupid.
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Thats the problem viewing everything thru the lens of righteous action. i didn't go to Iraq to help anyone. I went to carry out US policy. And take care of my men. This fantasy that American troops are risking their lives to free Iraqis and promote freedom is total BS. Troops do as they are told
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Sound the alarm,something might happen!
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Not to worry a Trump has planned his next four golf trips in advance, he is prepared to play at a moments notice. Sad that he plans more strategically for the next golf trip, than what he just set in motion in the Middle East.

Not to worry a Trump has planned his next four golf trips in advance, he is prepared to play at a moments notice. Sad that he plans more strategically for the next golf trip, than what he just set in motion in the Middle East.

Yup, golfer and slayer.
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He cheats at golf, cheats in elections and his foreign policy is via tweets and threats. He will have a lot of blood on his hands soon, his promise to keep us out of another war is gone, add that to his upcoming trial and Johns charities will be enjoying your contribution.

He cheats at golf, cheats in elections and his foreign policy is via tweets and threats. He will have a lot of blood on his hands soon, his promise to keep us out of another war is gone, add that to his upcoming trial and Johns charities will be enjoying your contribution.
Care to double down, mouthy? Or are you just filibustering?
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Care to double down, mouthy? Or are you just filibustering?
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I can't recall the last time any of them have been right with any of their predictions....you'd think they'd learn something:doh:

I can't recall the last time any of them have been right with any of their predictions....you'd think they'd learn something:doh:

Funny this logic wasnt present when Obama was in office

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I can't recall the last time any of them have been right with any of their predictions....you'd think they'd learn something:doh:

Since I’ve been on this board I’ve only made one prediction, that Trump would be impeached in the house and the senate would refuse to hold a legitimate trial and the 2020 election would resolve it one way or the other, so it appears I’m on track with that one.

Here is another I know I can win, I predict SD being who he is, can’t go two weeks without throwing a childish insult someone’s way and you piling on, when you two are that predictable it’s easy.

I predict Pete will continue to go hard at the right and his battle with the blue font Detbuch will continue.

I predict Trump will probably not make good with his campaign promise to end our involvement in the Middle East conflicts, the sh*t is going to hit the fan and I’d not want to be a family of a serviceman or women deployed in what is going to be explosive soon. If you feel confident with the Trumps tweetIng foreign policy and threatening rhetoric, even going so far as to suggest we would hit cultural targets, then you are as f’ed up as he is.

Since I’ve been on this board I’ve only made one prediction, that Trump would be impeached in the house and the senate would refuse to hold a legitimate trial and the 2020 election would resolve it one way or the other, so it appears I’m on track with that one.

Here is another I know I can win, I predict SD being who he is, can’t go two weeks without throwing a childish insult someone’s way and you piling on, when you two are that predictable it’s easy.

I predict Pete will continue to go hard at the right and his battle with the blue font Detbuch will continue.

I predict Trump will probably not make good with his campaign promise to end our involvement in the Middle East conflicts, the sh*t is going to hit the fan and I’d not want to be a family of a serviceman or women deployed in what is going to be explosive soon. If you feel confident with the Trumps tweetIng foreign policy and threatening rhetoric, even going so far as to suggest we would hit cultural targets, then you are as f’ed up as he is.

With all these predictions then surely you will double down. Or are you spewing without confidence?
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Thats the problem viewing everything thru the lens of righteous action. i didn't go to Iraq to help anyone. I went to carry out US policy. And take care of my men. This fantasy that American troops are risking their lives to free Iraqis and promote freedom is total BS. Troops do as they are told
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Pretty much correct. Though sometimes they do export freedom as an extension of FP, and sometimes they don't, and sometimes they can't.

Righteous action in Iraq (Jr Fustercluck), righteous action in Libya (Obama Fustercluck), Syria (Trump probably got that one right after Obama got that one wrong and will end in a tie), righteous action in Kuwait (Sr got that one right), VN (Johnson hands the blame).


and Johns charities will be enjoying your contribution.

WTF is John's charities?


Since I’ve been on this board I’ve only made one prediction, that Trump would be impeached in the house and the senate would refuse to hold a legitimate trial and the 2020 election would resolve it one way or the other, so it appears I’m on track with that one.

Here is another I know I can win, I predict SD being who he is, can’t go two weeks without throwing a childish insult someone’s way and you piling on, when you two are that predictable it’s easy.

I predict Pete will continue to go hard at the right and his battle with the blue font Detbuch will continue.

I predict Trump will probably not make good with his campaign promise to end our involvement in the Middle East conflicts, the sh*t is going to hit the fan and I’d not want to be a family of a serviceman or women deployed in what is going to be explosive soon. If you feel confident with the Trumps tweetIng foreign policy and threatening rhetoric, even going so far as to suggest we would hit cultural targets, then you are as f’ed up as he is.

John there is a bet between sides on Trump winning in 2020 which was intended to go to you to run the site, to which I believe you said couldn’t be accepted for tax reasons, so SD and others will need to know which of your charities to write their checks out to.

So Iran is promising military strikes, dropping all provisions from the JCPOA and will likely have a nuke very soon. Hezbollah is calling for strikes on the US military. Iran is threatening to destroy Tel Aviv and Haifa if we counter. This is looking like a pretty easy one to walk back from.
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Don’t worry Trump will tweet the foreign policy solution, the little rocket man and fire and furry policy worked so well, maybe he can conjure up some Middle East appropriate insults; hey SD your so good at that get on his Twitter feed and send him something he can use.

Don’t worry Trump will tweet the foreign policy solution,.



oh good...another prediction

So Iran is promising military strikes and will likely have a nuke very soon.
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how likely and how soon?

oh good...another prediction

Well SD couldn’t wait to throw down and you piled on quick, so far I’m two for two. Hey does your guy threatening to commit war crimes bother you, or does the fact he doesn’t even know attacking a cultural site is a war crime bother you more. Oh crap I forgot your drink of choice is red cool aid; nothing about this administration bothers you.
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If Iran responds , it's not going to be a small response because they understand what our response will be.. regardless of Trumps 52 targets nonsense


Iran was quiet until trump backed out the nuke deal, funny how that works

Whoa is me.
The sky is falling in snowflake village.
👳🏾#^&♂️
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3 Americans Killed In Attack On Kenyan Airfield By Al-Shabab Militants


Wheres are the Trump tweets

Merry Impeachmas
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Well SD couldn’t wait to throw down and you piled on quick, so far I’m two for two. Hey does your guy threatening to commit war crimes bother you, or does the fact he doesn’t even know attacking a cultural site is a war crime bother you more. Oh crap I forgot your drink of choice is red cool aid; nothing about this administration bothers you.
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Oh good ....another rant
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Unhinged again
Probably just winter doldrums
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John there is a bet between sides on Trump winning in 2020 which was intended to go to you to run the site, to which I believe you said couldn’t be accepted for tax reasons, so SD and others will need to know which of your charities to write their checks out to.

Ahhhh, that's right ; )


So Iran is promising military strikes, dropping all provisions from the JCPOA and will likely have a nuke very soon. Hezbollah is calling for strikes on the US military. Iran is threatening to destroy Tel Aviv and Haifa if we counter. This is looking like a pretty easy one to walk back from.
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Iran is dropping the provision on the number of centrifuges in use, only. Otherwise they are abiding in the same (unverifiable) ways as before. Nice try Spence.

And I thought you said they were ten years away?

If Iran responds , it's not going to be a small response because they understand what our response will be.. regardless of Trumps 52 targets nonsense


Iran was quiet until trump backed out the nuke deal, funny how that works

This is silly. Iran has not been quiet for 40 years. Ever hear of Hezbollah? Hamas? Of course you have.

3 Americans Killed In Attack On Kenyan Airfield By Al-Shabab Militants


Wheres are the Trump tweets
The news reports this has nothing to do with the crisis in the Middle East. My guess is the left has insider information. My guess is that it will be orange man related.
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Ahhhh, that's right ; )




Iran is dropping the provision on the number of centrifuges in use, only. Otherwise they are abiding in the same (unverifiable) ways as before. Nice try Spence.

And I thought you said they were ten years away?



This is silly. Iran has not been quiet for 40 years. Ever hear of Hezbollah? Hamas? Of course you have.

Seem you missed since the international nuke deal... and i stress international
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The news reports this has nothing to do with the crisis in the Middle East. My guess is the left has insider information. My guess is that it will be orange man related.
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Has everything to do with it . . This is what happens when you sell attacking iran due to the death of a contractor. In iraq

But are silent on theses 4 Americans deaths
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Trump threatens Iraq with sanctions if US troops are expelled

Was this part of their well thought out policy
How would they even word it ?
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I think the only two things Trump really plans well are tee times and his lunch order.

Has everything to do with it . . This is what happens when you sell attacking iran due to the death of a contractor. In iraq

But are silent on theses 4 Americans deaths
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Not according to msnbc. Tell them you have insider info so they can stop protecting your president.
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Big beautiful trump rally going on in Tehran right now. Millions of beautiful people shouting trumps praise. Perfect and beautiful. Beautiful people those Iranians. Believe me.
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Approval rating is through the roof.
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Approval rating is through the roof.
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The last time the president’s average approval rating topped 45.3% was on February 5th, when he had average approval rating of 45.7%.

Despite this increase, Trump’s approval ratings remain underwater, with 52.3% of respondents disapproving of his job performance, according to the RCP average, for a net rating of negative seven points.

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/274107

such standards and expectations :btu:

Big beautiful trump rally going on in Tehran right now. Millions of beautiful people shouting trumps praise. Perfect and beautiful. Beautiful people those Iranians. Believe me.
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yea but fox keeps showing 10 guys dancing in Iraq claims they support Trump also He knows crowd sizes

Approval rating is through the roof.
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Lmao
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Big beautiful trump rally going on in Tehran right now. Millions of beautiful people shouting trumps praise. Perfect and beautiful. Beautiful people those Iranians. Believe me.
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Wait until he starts complaining about the crowd size being higher than his.
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Wait until he starts complaining about the crowd size being higher than his.
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Maybe he will have to pay more for sex after this?
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Wait until he starts complaining about the crowd size being higher than his.
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But, but...
The electoral college is unfair.
🤡🤡🤡
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Iran is dropping the provision on the number of centrifuges in use, only. Otherwise they are abiding in the same (unverifiable) ways as before. Nice try Spence.

And I thought you said they were ten years away?
No they’re abandoning most of the provisions including % enrichment and previously prohibited research. They are keeping IAEA inspections for now which were working before. Not sure I ever said 10 years either, the whole urgency for the JCPOA was that they were months or a year or two away from testing something.

Trump takes out the nuclear sites and all hell breaks loose if it doesn’t before that.
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Maybe he will have to pay more for sex after this?
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See, the booming economy is already self-correcting the Wage Gap
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See, the booming economy is already self-correcting the Wage Gap
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that was pretty good.
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See, the booming economy is already self-correcting the Wage Gap
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If guy A is make 10 bucks an hour
And guy B is at 15

But guy A is at now 12
And guy B is now at 17

How's the gap closed
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Recommend reading "Sword and Scimitar" by Raymond Ibrahim. Outlines what non-Muslims have historically been and are up against.

I've found it very informative that Islam's basic tenet is that if you are not Muslim, you are not anything; but, you can pay to be what you are and live as a second class citizen in an Islamic world.

The Shia's in Iran/Iraq want to dominate the Sunni's. The Sunni's in other ME countries want to dominate the Shia's. Iraq's people celebrating the death of General S are Sunni, and do so at the risk of death at the hands of the Shia majority.

Anyway... this book (and others) might improve anyone's perspective about what drives events in the ME whether the West were involved or not.

If guy A is make 10 bucks an hour
And guy B is at 15

But guy A is at now 12
And guy B is now at 17

How's the gap closed

Based on the information provided, the hourly wage gap would close in 7 years, if the performance of both remain equal. Wage gaps can close with higher levels of performance over time.

If guy A is make 10 bucks an hour
And guy B is at 15

But guy A is at now 12
And guy B is now at 17

How's the gap closed

Based on the information provided, the hourly wage gap would close in 7 years, if the performance of both remain equal. Wage gaps can close with higher levels of performance over time.

Not sure if dads comments were about gender pay gap. Or rich and poor . I went with rich and poor. Not changing
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me too...

If guy A is make 10 bucks an hour
And guy B is at 15

But guy A is at now 12
And guy B is now at 17

How's the gap closed
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Not sure if dads comments were about gender pay gap. Or rich and poor . I went with rich and poor. Not changing
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..

..

shhhhhh...I want to know what guy C is getting

If guy A is make 10 bucks an hour
And guy B is at 15

But guy A is at now 12
And guy B is now at 17

How's the gap closed
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and just for arguments sake.....

There is a 40% difference between $10 and $15

There is a 34.5% difference between $12 and $17

So the gap is closing.

and just for arguments sake.....

There is a 40% difference between $10 and $15

There is a 34.5% difference between $12 and $17

So the gap is closing.

Fuzzy Math
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Fuzzy Math
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Fuzzy Logic
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