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Thank you, Danno….

And to be clear, Not my quote. I have not been to Iraq.

Two quick thoughts.

1) we didn’t kill two Iranian generals in Iraq
2) if Iran shouldn’t be in Iraq why are we in Iraq
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Two quick thoughts.

1) we didn’t kill two Iranian generals in Iraq
2) if Iran shouldn’t be in Iraq why are we in Iraq
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I don't follow you on #1
As for #2, if we leave a void there now, the world is going to be waking up to ISIS atrocities again on a daily basis. Kind of stuck there until some other coalition members step up for a more equal share of the burden.

I don't follow you on #1
As for #2, if we leave a void there now, the world is going to be waking up to ISIS atrocities again on a daily basis. Kind of stuck there until some other coalition members step up for a more equal share of the burden.

As well as that, I believe it is entirely legitimate to have an embassy in Iraq.

Concerning to hear the negative feedback from the briefing today by BOTH sides, which on the surface seems to indicate history may be repeating. Manipulating or misinterpretation of intel took us into the Iraq war in the first place and this appears possibly to be similar. Frankly I don’t regret that dirt bag was taken out, but if it were done for a political benefit to Trump, whether it’s distraction for the impeachment or whether hawks have gotten his ear, our service men and women shouldn’t be pawns in someone’s political chess game.

again with the Hate excuse,, the embassy was never touched the outer wall was attacked AKA Green zone , but the fear of benghazi is to much .. Odd the base allows Iran to step over his line in the sand without a peep?

yes Iran supplied weapons that killed Americans And america provided weapons that killed syrians (tow missiles) will Russia Target Americans for Javelin Missiles that kill their Troops in ukraine .... not everything can be judged good or evil for a country's convenience

the issue is not if the Iranian general deserved to die , the issue for me is the US shifting to assassination as a policy

And the BS lie that money from the Iran nuke deal bankrolled these operations and new missiles... Are more lies from an administration who already has a credibility problem , everywhere in the world except in his base ..

again with the Hate excuse,, the embassy was never touched the outer wall was attacked AKA Green zone , but the fear of benghazi is to much .. Odd the base allows Iran to step over his line in the sand without a peep?

yes Iran supplied weapons that killed Americans And america provided weapons that killed syrians (tow missiles) will Russia Target Americans for Javelin Missiles that kill their Troops in ukraine .... not everything can be judged good or evil for a country's convenience

the issue is not if the Iranian general deserved to die , the issue for me is the US shifting to assassination as a policy

And the BS lie that money from the Iran nuke deal bankrolled these operations and new missiles... Are more lies from an administration who already has a credibility problem , everywhere in the world except in his base ..

this kind of targeted assassination has been accepted practice for awhile in certain situations. did you express this concern when Bin Laden was assassinated? Or is it only concerning when trump
does it?
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this kind of targeted assassination has been accepted practice for awhile in certain situations. did you express this concern when Bin Laden was assassinated? Or is it only concerning when trump
does it?
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There are a number of differences between OBL and a high ranking Iranian military commander with vastly different geopolitical ramifications.


I have zero issues that he deserved to be taken out for a career of evil. Mike Lee at least for the R's was that the briefing today was unconvincing for the true imminent threat. (I would point out that many of the Dems felt the same but their credibility is lacking with some here)

My concern, is that Trump is making these decisions in a very small vacuum with little thought for ramifications. I seriously doubt he discussed this with allies in the region and beyond. I don't doubt that Obama discussed the short and long-term ramifications of taking out OBL in great detail well ahead of taking him out.

Maybe I am wrong but based on Trump's apparent flippant approach to foreign policy, I think he got VERY lucky that this didn't escalate rapidly.
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And the BS lie that money from the Iran nuke deal bankrolled these operations and new missiles... Are more lies from an administration who already has a credibility problem , everywhere in the world except in his base ..

He can’t help himself the lies are all he knows, I guess his staff didn’t advise him those really weren’t US dollars, but frozen Iran funds freed up after the treaty. History and facts have never been his strong suit.

There are a number of differences between OBL and a high ranking Iranian military commander with vastly different geopolitical ramifications.


I have zero issues that he deserved to be taken out for a career of evil. Mike Lee at least for the R's was that the briefing today was unconvincing for the true imminent threat. (I would point out that many of the Dems felt the same but their credibility is lacking with some here)

My concern, is that Trump is making these decisions in a very small vacuum with little thought for ramifications. I seriously doubt he discussed this with allies in the region and beyond. I don't doubt that Obama discussed the short and long-term ramifications of taking out OBL in great detail well ahead of taking him out.

Maybe I am wrong but based on Trump's apparent flippant approach to foreign policy, I think he got VERY lucky that this didn't escalate rapidly.
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if Trump was flippant in this case, he got very lucky, because it was a big win. We killed someone begging to be killed, and paid no significant price. For a guy who is supposedly so stupid and such a fraudulent con artist, Trump sure scores some impressive victories now and then.

“flippant” would have been bombing the sh*t out of the sites where the missiles came from last night.
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Two quick thoughts.

1) we didn’t kill two Iranian generals in Iraq
2) if Iran shouldn’t be in Iraq why are we in Iraq
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Would it make you feel better if he said one general and one terrorist leader. :rolleyes:

Not to late for you to get that sympathy card in the mail.
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this kind of targeted assassination has been accepted practice for awhile in certain situations. did you express this concern when Bin Laden was assassinated? Or is it only concerning when trump
does it?
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This is the issue you and many others think . bin laden and the General are some how the same .. they are not no matter how Trump and administration wish to present the killings are the same

Bin laden was catch or kill. As was Al baghdadi , (both stateless ) A fire fight is not an assasination

Bin Laden and Al Baghdadi were Sunni's and would oppose General S within the region, but would be allies against infidel's (non-muslims) when the reason would benefit both.

One was a Shia Iranian General responsible for supporting proxy Shia militias in Syria, Iran, etc - aka Quds. The other an Iraqi Shia Militia Commander responsible for suppressing Sunni's and Kurds in Iraq (the ones that are protesting current Iraqi government, and the ones that did not vote in Parliament for for the removal of US military presence).

Iran's Shias would like total control of Iraq and the rest of the Middle East (meaning submission to Shia's tenets), then the rest of humanity. The Sunni's (ISIS, ISIL) would like the same control (meaning submission to Sunni tenets). The fighting Muslim's believe they benefit from victory in life (spoils of war), or in death where great rewards await them in their heaven. In Jihad, they win either way. This Islamic ideology seems very poisoness from a western logical and spiritual point of view - but Islam is a monotheistic ideology and arguments to the contrary are not considered by devout Muslims.

Is there strategic interest for the west in the Middle East? There always has been, and likely will be for a long time. I would hope our media would smarten up and pick up this religious context, along with the Kurd's and Armenian's situation, also persecuted by Muslim based governments.

Sorry to bore you all... but this context overlays all that is happening in the Middle east. I don't remember learning about this stuff in History or Social Studies in High School...

We should give them $ every time we blow up their criminal masterminds. Joe Biden already said he will offer Iran reparations. These libs are enabling the executioner.
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Mean while Puerto Ricans
Still have no power..

So Trump risk war over 1 American contractors death

But Trump barely sees PR as Americans at all


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This is the issue you and many others think . bin laden and the General are some how the same .. they are not no matter how Trump and administration wish to present the killings are the same

Bin laden was catch or kill. As was Al baghdadi , (both stateless ) A fire fight is not an assasination

i didn’t say they were the same. i said both were targeted for, I guess, assassination.

You have a point about Bin Laden being catch or kill, that’s a fair point.

So can we assume
your problem is using drones to kill people without giving them
a chance to surrender? Because Obama did that a lot, a whole
lot, including one strike
targeting an american citizen who had joined the jihad.

so i’ll ask again, is it only problematic for you when trump fires missiles at people? i don’t think you complained when obama did it.

Either it’s ok or it’s not. But the answer of whether or not it’s ok, shouldn’t depend on whether or not you happen to like the current potus. Right?
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Mean while Puerto Ricans
Still have no power..

So Trump risk war over 1 American contractors death

But Trump barely sees PR as Americans at all


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Considering that last time he gave them money it was stolen by their local politicians who can blame him? The left loves to portray Trump unfavorably to the point where uninformed people repeat the same old tired misinformation. Corruption on that island is out of control,especially amongst the politicians. They will get their aid again,hopefully with restrictions to prevent Clinton style plundering.
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I don't think a single person on this board or in this country feels that guy didn't deserve to be taken out. The problem as I see it is Trumps reckless strategy in the middle east. This problem started with the withdrawal from the treaty, but he has been making questionable moves all along, Syria being a prime example. The problems he creates require a solution involving our allies, oh what we have treated them like idiots and this is when his isolationist policy backfires in his face.

This problem started with the withdrawal from the treaty



no it didn't

no it didn't

everything was peachy with Iran until Orange Man nullified the treaty. even the jews and arabs were having block parties together until Trump came along.
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Iran has been at it forever, not what I meant and tell me you both didn't understand it, or do I need to use bold font or blue font. The escalation of hostilities by Iran started after the withdrawal. Do you think the drone attack, the ship harassment or more importantly the attack on the Saudia oil production would have happened had we not withdrawn and tightened sanctions.

Iran has been at it forever.....


Do you think the drone attack, the ship harassment or more importantly the attack on the Saudia oil production would have happened had we not withdrawn and tightened sanctions.



I think you answered your own question

Do you think the drone attack, the ship harassment or more importantly the attack on the Saudia oil production would have happened had we not withdrawn and tightened sanctions.

yes.

did this Soleimani guy retire from killing westerners, after obama
signed that treaty? because i’ve never heard anyone claim that. you seem to be saying iran acted
like a loyal ally while the treaty was in place.
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i didn’t say they were the same. i said both were targeted for, I guess, assassination.

You have a point about Bin Laden being catch or kill, that’s a fair point.

So can we assume
your problem is using drones to kill people without giving them
a chance to surrender? Because Obama did that a lot, a whole
lot, including one strike
targeting an american citizen who had joined the jihad.

so i’ll ask again, is it only problematic for you when trump fires missiles at people? i don’t think you complained when obama did it.

Either it’s ok or it’s not. But the answer of whether or not it’s ok, shouldn’t depend on whether or not you happen to like the current potus. Right?
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Again you clearly refuse to see that targeting military targets Taliban commander or ISIS commanders who are stateless . And whom the international community see as rogue actors and legitimate targets .

And those who are part of a state an official. And 1 who was an elected in Iraqs parliament.. aka assasination

Terrorist is the new catch all ,, I am sorry actions conducted against foreign military targets by militants who wish us forces out of their countries, is not Terrorism, kill civilians shopping in a market or blow up a mosque or church that's Terrorism

Americans has been doing the proxy thing for decades but thas ok

TRUMPs pull out the international nuke deal. ( the right leaves that out all the time )
Backs iran in a corner, then people act surprised when they push back

And the current talking point from the White House
And this Lee guy took exception

It is not acceptable for officials within the executive branch of government -- I don't care whether they are with the CIA, with the Department of Defense, or otherwise -- to come in and tell us that we can't debate and discuss the appropriateness of military intervention against Iran," said Lee.

Hes right only authoritarian government see such debate as wrong

Again you clearly refuse to see that targeting military targets Taliban commander or ISIS commanders who are stateless . And whom the international community see as rogue actors and legitimate targets .

And those who are part of a state an official. And 1 who was an elected in Iraqs parliament.. aka assasination

Terrorist is the new catch all ,, I am sorry actions conducted against foreign military targets by militants who wish us forces out of their countries, is not Terrorism, kill civilians shopping in a market or blow up a mosque or church that's Terrorism

Americans has been doing the proxy thing for decades but thas ok

TRUMPs pull out the international nuke deal. ( the right leaves that out all the time )
Backs iran in a corner, then people act surprised when they push back

And the current talking point from the White House
And this Lee guy took exception

It is not acceptable for officials within the executive branch of government -- I don't care whether they are with the CIA, with the Department of Defense, or otherwise -- to come in and tell us that we can't debate and discuss the appropriateness of military intervention against Iran," said Lee.

Hes right only authoritarian government see such debate as wrong

OK, so it's OK to bomb actual terrorists, but not those affiliated with a nation state.

"Terrorist is the new catch all ,, I am sorry actions conducted against foreign military targets by militants who wish us forces out of their countries, is not Terrorism, kill civilians shopping in a market or blow up a mosque or church that's Terrorism "

OK. SO what do you call it, when in 2011 the Obama administration uncovered a plot by Soleimani to hire Mexican drug cartels, to plant a bomb in a Washington DC restaurant, with the goal of assassinating the Saudi ambassador to the US? Is that a legitimate act of a sovereign nation-state, or is that an act of terror? Look it up, because that happened, was called Operation Red Coalition, I think. But it happened. That's not the act of a terrorist?

You're saying he wasn't a terrorist because he was in the employ of the nation of Iran?

I don't know that defining someone as a terrorist is an exact, precise science. There can be judgment and disagreement. But you're in a distinct minority if you feel this guy wasn't a terrorist.

I agree with you that targeting terrorists is nit the same as targeting legitimate military officials of another sovereign nation. Most people feel Soleimini was both.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_alleged_Iran_assassination_plot

it's fun watching libs defend the indefensible

it's fun watching libs defend the indefensible

trump has goaded them
into defending MS-13, and defending Iran.

He throws a rake on the lawn, they all fight each other to be able to step on it. and they never learn.
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OK, so it's OK to bomb actual terrorists, but not those affiliated with a nation state.

"Terrorist is the new catch all ,, I am sorry actions conducted against foreign military targets by militants who wish us forces out of their countries, is not Terrorism, kill civilians shopping in a market or blow up a mosque or church that's Terrorism "

OK. SO what do you call it, when in 2011 the Obama administration uncovered a plot by Soleimani to hire Mexican drug cartels, to plant a bomb in a Washington DC restaurant, with the goal of assassinating the Saudi ambassador to the US? Is that a legitimate act of a sovereign nation-state, or is that an act of terror? Look it up, because that happened, was called Operation Red Coalition, I think. But it happened. That's not the act of a terrorist?

You're saying he wasn't a terrorist because he was in the employ of the nation of Iran?

I don't know that defining someone as a terrorist is an exact, precise science. There can be judgment and disagreement. But you're in a distinct minority if you feel this guy wasn't a terrorist.

I agree with you that targeting terrorists is nit the same as targeting legitimate military officials of another sovereign nation. Most people feel Soleimini was both.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_alleged_Iran_assassination_plot

North Atlantic Treaty Organization

NATO defines terrorism in the AAP-06 NATO Glossary of Terms and Definitions, Edition 2019 as "The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence, instilling fear and terror, against individuals or property in an attempt to coerce or intimidate governments or societies, or to gain control over a population, to achieve political, religious or ideological objectives". [50]

Nowhere does it say stateless.
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yes.

did this Soleimani guy retire from killing westerners, after obama
signed that treaty? because i’ve never heard anyone claim that. you seem to be saying iran acted
like a loyal ally while the treaty was in place.
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I seriously doubt the level of hostility between the treaty being signed and Trump pulling out is anywhere even close to what has happened since, good luck trying to make that case. But hey, it's what the coolaid drinking right is believing, maybe you can tell that to all the dead since this escalated. It now appears the jet was shot down by Iran, so the head count is just getting bigger, it won't be long before American dead are added to this.

This is great. They shot down the jet and you blame Trump. This foolishness has no boundaries. Remind me who the US blamed when we shot down a civilian airplane...
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OK, so it's OK to bomb actual terrorists, but not those affiliated with a nation state.

"Terrorist is the new catch all ,, I am sorry actions conducted against foreign military targets by militants who wish us forces out of their countries, is not Terrorism, kill civilians shopping in a market or blow up a mosque or church that's Terrorism "

OK. SO what do you call it, when in 2011 the Obama administration uncovered a plot by Soleimani to hire Mexican drug cartels, to plant a bomb in a Washington DC restaurant, with the goal of assassinating the Saudi ambassador to the US? Is that a legitimate act of a sovereign nation-state, or is that an act of terror? Look it up, because that happened, was called Operation Red Coalition, I think. But it happened. That's not the act of a terrorist?

You're saying he wasn't a terrorist because he was in the employ of the nation of Iran?

I don't know that defining someone as a terrorist is an exact, precise science. There can be judgment and disagreement. But you're in a distinct minority if you feel this guy wasn't a terrorist.

I agree with you that targeting terrorists is nit the same as targeting legitimate military officials of another sovereign nation. Most people feel Soleimini was both.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_alleged_Iran_assassination_plot

This is the issue with the right they assume any criticisms of the administration's actions are Translated as being sympathetic or seeing Soleimini as a poor victim...

many casually see this assasination as some heroic action by Trump
In the defense of Americans. And there playing that line hard

Where is the might of America to avenge the deaths of those killed the airbase attack in Kenya? Trump never mentioned them. But 1 death prompted trump to conduct an assasination and blame past administration.. I am sorry it's all :bs:


This administration has taken executive privilege out of the barn with no intention
Of putting it back,, and Republicans are complicit and are all in.

This is great. They shot down the jet and you blame Trump. This foolishness has no boundaries. Remind me who the US blamed when we shot down a civilian airplane...
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Iran shot down the jet I’m not suggesting Trump is directly to blame, what I’m suggesting and I believe the evidence bears it out; is that Trump set this in motion. Tell me you think Iran would have been so stupid to shoot down a commercial jet prior to Trump pulling out of the treaty.
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Iran shot down the jet I’m not suggesting Trump is directly to blame, what I’m suggesting and I believe the evidence bears it out; is that Trump set this in motion. Tell me you think Iran would have been so stupid to shoot down a commercial jet prior to Trump pulling out of the treaty.
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The American Revolution of 1776 set this in motion. And I believe the evidence bears it out . . . oh wait . . . maybe it was Adam and Eve who did it.

North Atlantic Treaty Organization

NATO defines terrorism in the AAP-06 NATO Glossary of Terms and Definitions, Edition 2019 as "The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence, instilling fear and terror, against individuals or property in an attempt to coerce or intimidate governments or societies, or to gain control over a population, to achieve political, religious or ideological objectives". [50]

Nowhere does it say stateless.
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But Orange Man Bad!!
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Iran shot down the jet I’m not suggesting Trump is directly to blame, what I’m suggesting and I believe the evidence bears it out; is that Trump set this in motion. Tell me you think Iran would have been so stupid to shoot down a commercial jet prior to Trump pulling out of the treaty.
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I get it now. Trump caused Iran to get extra stupid.🤡🤡🤡

You should probably take the same time out that your snowflake buddies have opted to enjoy. This charade you are chasing seems to be losing steam.
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Iran shot down the jet

I’m not suggesting Trump is directly to blame,

what I’m suggesting and I believe the evidence bears it out;


is that Trump set this in motion.


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:rotflmao::smash: it's good to know that you don't believe that trump flew to iran and pulled the anti-aircraft trigger

The American Revolution of 1776 set this in motion. And I believe the evidence bears it out . . . oh wait . . . maybe it was Adam and Eve who did it.

actually obama did the agreement and sent the cash so I'm not suggesting he's responsible for all of this but he's responsible for all of this

To say Trump set things in motion is giving him much too much credit. He is but a player in the current act, of a play that has been going on for centuries... The administration came in with a list, and undoing the Iran nuclear deal, was on that list. Many felt the deal was not in our best interest and that the US did not negotiate from a position of strength.

In the end, I have ALWAYS believed the Iranians were doing exactly what they wanted to do regarding their nuclear aspirations despite the deal. I have felt the same about North Korea. Hell, I knew the athletes from Soviet bloc countries were doing their doping when they came to international competitions. They all lie to our face...

Back to current events. I don't believe anyone had a long range plan that included this assassination, nor the shooting down of a Ukrainian passenger jet in Tehran. Making the best decisions with the immediate conditions to achieve one's goals is the challenge, for everyone, not just heads of state. This is unscripted and some moves are based on how best to effect the ends the administration wishes to meet. As we all know by now, the ends don't always justify the means.... Or do they? That is more easily answered when the ends are met, which clearly hasn't been achieved, yet.

Got Stripers, may I ask, what do you wish Trump did here? Do you wish he had let Soleimeini go freely back to Iran after doing whatever he was in Iraq to do? Knowing what we knew at that time (not what we know now), would you have advised him to take no action?

This is a very challenging and risky part of the world, always has been...

Just a few years earlier, for United states
Soleimani had been an indispensable figure in the fight against the Taliban and ISIS.

SO Trump killed the guy and went full court press on how evil he was CUZ no one knew who he was

So in Trumps mind he thinks Isis is defeated , I can now kill the guy who we cozied up to help in the mission, but we won't tell Americans that part of the storie.

Yet their burning the air waves that Americans are safer today because of Trumps audacious action..

But can't fundamentally say how that is even remotely True

Trump is the boy who cried wolf he's lied and exaggerated since being elected

And now he and his sheep I mean base expect Americans to Trust what he says .

LoL
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Keep banging the drum Wayne.
And keep crying wolf.
You have done enough to make sure nobody is listening.
🤡🍔🤡
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Just a few years earlier, for United states
Soleimani had been an indispensable figure in the fight against the Taliban and ISIS.

SO Trump killed the guy and went full court press on how evil he was CUZ no one knew who he was

So in Trumps mind he thinks Isis is defeated , I can now kill the guy who we cozied up to help in the mission, but we won't tell Americans that part of the storie.

Yet their burning the air waves that Americans are safer today because of Trumps audacious action..

But can't fundamentally say how that is even remotely True

Trump is the boy who cried wolf he's lied and exaggerated since being elected

And now he and his sheep I mean base expect Americans to Trust what he says .

LoL
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True that Iran hates ISIS. But we’ve had him designated as a terrorist for a long, long time. For good reason. Trump wasn’t the first president to do so.

you can’t see how we’re safer? the guy was a very skilled
mass murderer.

You know, i asked
you what you thought about the plot uncovered by the obama
administration, where Solemeini tried to higher Mexican drug cartels to plant a bomb in a washington DC restaurant. Was Obama similar to Trump, lying or crying wolf?

The fewer people there are who would plant bombs in DC restaurants, the safer we are. Let me know if that’s going too fast for you.
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True that Iran hates ISIS. But we’ve had him designated as a terrorist for a long, long time. For good reason. Trump wasn’t the first president to do so.

you can’t see how we’re safer? the guy was a very skilled
mass murderer.

You know, i asked
you what you thought about the plot uncovered by the obama
administration, where Solemeini tried to higher Mexican drug cartels to plant a bomb in a washington DC restaurant. Was Obama similar to Trump, lying or crying wolf?

The fewer people there are who would plant bombs in DC restaurants, the safer we are. Let me know if that’s going too fast for you.
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You chris and others can clearly keep your head in the Trump cool aid punch bowl

Last night he was selling Congress cant be told anything because it will be leaked to the fake media and our enemies...

And the crowd went crazy.. just admit you guys have no issue with Trumps moves towards becauming an authoritarian leader ... He was selling it last night and his base is all for it...

This view is based on actual conduct of Trump not hate not because hes a Republican

And another interesting development watching Fox news coverage and CNN coverage .. while recovering, it's clear to me the White House and Fox are in clear coordination the tone from Pompeo totally different on Fox where he mentions Obama constantly yet not on CNN and they give Trump free air time of every rally and parroting all White House talking points . I never expected Fox to be so deep in Trumps pocket , but after 2 weeks of watching , there is no daylight between them , and if fox news are some people's only source of information, I understand why they'll believe anything... lazy consumers

drinking game....everybody drink whenever a leftist mentions Kool-Aid ...or cool aid I guess

congress cant be told anything because it will be leaked to the fake media and our enemies...



this is sadly true...

and if fox news are some people's only source of information, I understand why they'll believe anything... lazy consumers



I think we've established that only leftists watch faux news

You chris and others can clearly keep your head in the Trump cool aid punch bowl

Last night he was selling Congress cant be told anything because it will be leaked to the fake media and our enemies...

And the crowd went crazy.. just admit you guys have no issue with Trumps moves towards becauming an authoritarian leader ... He was selling it last night and his base is all for it...

This view is based on actual conduct of Trump not hate not because hes a Republican

And another interesting development watching Fox news coverage and CNN coverage .. while recovering, it's clear to me the White House and Fox are in clear coordination the tone from Pompeo totally different on Fox where he mentions Obama constantly yet not on CNN and they give Trump free air time of every rally and parroting all White House talking points . I never expected Fox to be so deep in Trumps pocket , but after 2 weeks of watching , there is no daylight between them , and if fox news are some people's only source of information, I understand why they'll believe anything... lazy consumers

You're dodging on the Iranian plot to bomb a DC restaurant.

As to Fox, Hannity and Fox and Friends in the morning, will never criticize Trump, not ever. I only watch Fox maybe twice a week, and when I do, I look for Brett Baier or Tucker Carlson, two guys who criticize Trump all the time. Brett Baier was discussing Iran this week, he let Republican Senator Tom Cotton talk for two minutes, then let Democrat Senator Tim Kaine talk for two minutes, he didn't interrupt either one of them. He gave influential people on both sides a chance to each make their own case. That doesn't happen all the time on Foxnews, but it only happens on Foxnews.

Hope your recovery is going well, Godspeed!

I don’t bother watching the news on any channel.
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You're dodging on the Iranian plot to bomb a DC restaurant.

As to Fox, Hannity and Fox and Friends in the morning, will never criticize Trump, not ever. I only watch Fox maybe twice a week, and when I do, I look for Brett Baier or Tucker Carlson, two guys who criticize Trump all the time. Brett Baier was discussing Iran this week, he let Republican Senator Tom Cotton talk for two minutes, then let Democrat Senator Tim Kaine talk for two minutes, he didn't interrupt either one of them. He gave influential people on both sides a chance to each make their own case. That doesn't happen all the time on Foxnews, but it only happens on Foxnews.

Hope your recovery is going well, Godspeed!

Thanks getting there should be 100% before spring

The bomb plot was a plot agreed but its irrelevant to the new policy of assasination ,

The occasional criticisms don't tip the scales I think we can agree on that

Pompeo says the attack was going to happen but could say what embassy or military targets were going to be attacked... and couldn't or wouldn't tell members of Congress the details

Also the said Iran missed to avoid killing Americans but now its they were trying kill Americans

They were so worried about a bengiza repeat so close to the election , this administration rolled the dice , and are talking as if the dice rolling is over, and. Sounding like bengiza 1st it was imminent now it's something else happening some place

Now Trump goes from 1 embassy to 4 embassy, hence credibility issue

On another note Trumps mentions Obama like 3 times a day since getting in office

Why is that

Thanks getting there should be 100% before spring

The bomb plot was a plot agreed but its irrelevant to the new policy of assasination ,

The occasional criticisms don't tip the scales I think we can agree on that

Pompeo says the attack was going to happen but could say what embassy or military targets were going to be attacked... and couldn't or wouldn't tell members of Congress the details

Also the said Iran missed to avoid killing Americans but now its they were trying kill Americans

They were so worried about a bengiza repeat so close to the election , this administration rolled the dice , and are talking as if the dice rolling is over, and. Sounding like bengiza 1st it was imminent now it's something else happening some place

Now Trump goes from 1 embassy to 4 embassy, hence credibility issue

On another note Trumps mentions Obama like 3 times a day since getting in office

Why is that

i think the bomb plot is relevant, it shows that he was a terrorist and git what was coming to him.

I’m not saying fox gives equal positive and negative coverage to trump. i’m saying that nowhere in tv will you find more fair or balanced coverage, than fox’s Brett Baier or Tucker Carlson. both are conservative, but aren’t thoughtless.

Most importantly, glad
you’re feeling better, and happy new year.
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He is obsessed with many things, Obama, the size of his crowds, his astonishing intellect, the media, his dictator boyfriends, the evil dems and a long list of people who have criticized him; many already dead and buried but some things he just can’t let go.

I think it’s laughable that Trump and Pompeo think we should believe them about the planned attacks coming our way, pretty hard to believe anything from a pathological liar. He believes he can do what he wants, he could care less about laws or norms, equal branches of government not in his eyes, but we should accept that this was an appropriate action. Even some of his own party were appalled at the BS they heard in the briefing and we haven’t seen anywhere near the end of the fallout.

Trust is earned and I don’t trust this administration one bit, until I hear hard evidence it’s just more of Trump being Trump.

He is obsessed with many things, Obama, the size of his crowds, his astonishing intellect, the media, his dictator boyfriends, the evil dems and a long list of people who have criticized him; many already dead and buried but some things he just can’t let go.

I think it’s laughable that Trump and Pompeo think we should believe them about the planned attacks coming our way, pretty hard to believe anything from a pathological liar. He believes he can do what he wants, he could care less about laws or norms, equal branches of government not in his eyes, but we should accept that this was an appropriate action. Even some of his own party were appalled at the BS they heard in the briefing and we haven’t seen anywhere near the end of the fallout.

Trust is earned and I don’t trust this administration one bit, until I hear hard evidence it’s just more of Trump being Trump.

it’s “hard for you to believe” that a designated terrorist, known to being complicit in the deaths of 600 american servicemen, might be planning more attacks?
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Not hard to believe with sufficient evidence, so if there is such evidence, why hide it from congress? I won’t double down on Wayne’s point, but this action has the potential to bring more harm and casualties than these yet to be divulged attacks and Trump has taken us to a point we are ok with assassinating state officials. Just imagine if Iran assassinated our top military officials, it would take us right into something most Americans have grown tired of. This could very well be where we are heading if Irans proxy’s start ramping up attacks well beyond previous levels.

Not hard to believe with sufficient evidence, so if there is such evidence, why hide it from congress? I won’t double down on Wayne’s point, but this action has the potential to bring more harm and casualties than these yet to be divulged attacks and Trump has taken us to a point we are ok with assassinating state officials. Just imagine if Iran assassinated our top military officials, it would take us right into something most Americans have grown tired of. This could very well be where we are heading if Irans proxy’s start ramping up attacks well beyond previous levels.
It seems the speculation has no boundaries.
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Soleimani's job was to ensure that Shia control in Sunni dominated regions was furthered through his Quds Force. He was doing this regardless of Nuke deal or anything else. Yes, he fought ISIS in Syria, not as an ally of the US, but because ISIS is Sunni. Saudi Arabia is Sunni and our ally, therefore a drone attack on their oil production. Iraq has a Sunni minority that has recently protested the government - repressed (some killed) by the Shia controlled government. Thinking of these regions as "states" with boundaries is not how the local's think (Just like the border of Pakistan and Afghanistan is irrelevant to the locals there).

Removing Soleimani is only a temporary setback to an ideology that will not stop at inflicting its religion on all within reach.

Religion is the route if all the BS this world has endured.
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Religion is the route if all the BS this world has endured.
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This is dumb
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Religion is the route if all the BS this world has endured.
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Communism is one of the kinds of religion which is the root of most of the BS. Secular religions in which the power of the leaders is the only god they believe in, are invested with the dogma that there is no greater authority than themselves, which gives them the ultimate authority to do to the rest of us whatever maintains their wealth and power.

And even though these secular religions are often founded by idealists who believe they have instituted something for the greater good, like all authoritarian organizations controlled by centralized power, they are corrupted by their own systems which put power in the hands of a few elites. And so evolve more and more into the nature of religion in which the followers follow them and are subject to their will rather than to a God, Creator, to whom even the elites must bow. Our modern socialist, progressive, and communist systems are such examples.

Most of the religions today are of that sort. Even the ones in which the leaders profess to believe in a god greater than themselves, but really don't.

Most of the mystical, spiritual, and transcendent religions in which the believers truly do believe, have been a hedge against the avarice, cruelty, and oppressive tendencies latent in human nature. But they too are often corrupted by power seeking non-believers. The more highly organized these religions become with centralized power structures, the more likely that they are co-opted by corrupt non-believers for their own benefit. What has happened to the Catholic Church, in my opinion, especially under the current papal administration, is an example of that. But even so, it is still not as destructive as the purely secular religions of today.

Islam is an example, in my opinion, of a sort of outlier spiritual religion that claims a God greater than everyone and everything and even has many leaders who are true believers--but was started mostly as a political system by someone who sought power rather than spiritual enlightenment. And is more a governmental system rather than a spiritually directed personal religion.