Nancy had a partisan driven impeachment scam that nobody was buying anyhow. Bye bye.
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She's not backing down she believes she has what she needs. The case is strong and the Republicans have no spine. We're turning into an autocracy and you seem to get off on it.

She's not backing down she believes she has what she needs. The case is strong and the Republicans have no spine. We're turning into an autocracy and you seem to get off on it.

That is funny. Let’s see the results of this farce and then you will see me get off in person.
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No surprise she had to bring the articles forward, so the drunk cool aid drinking, boot licking senators much like SD, can have their mock trial and we can move on to 20/20 as I expected. Just another step in the process.

Senator Dangles is sounding pretty enticing.

But when could I fish...
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That didn’t take long. Everybody drink
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That didn’t take long. Everybody drink
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way ahead of ya!

That is funny. Let’s see the results of this farce and then you will see me get off in person.
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Good to see you’re channeling Lewis CK. Doesn’t surprise me he’s a role model. Are you registered?
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they would have suggested she backed down if it was a year from now

Their Republicans and Fox aresuggesting Bolton whould have testified in the House if asked

Hell I'd volunteer to testify if I already knew the guy running the show wasn't going to allow witnesses

it's really time to go......

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7fEXTWx5YM&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR3hM5r2jX3Z7k3AUywZM5uaLh1KOxu-UrORbxjhMb9Ui9PlIoGzGYpjPL8

Moscow Mitch is probably really getting nervous as this delay is getting a few more senators suggesting they will call for a vote to have witnesses and since polls suggest 70% of the country wants to hear from witnesses, the heat is turning up to have a real trial.

I heard 90%...but 80% of those 90% really have no idea what's going on and mostly don't care...sooooo

It will come down to integrity, how many senators believe you can't have a trial without witnesses?

It will come down to integrity



oh definitely....

Interview with Lev should really put the heat on those senators on the fence, pretty clear and coordinated effort; Trump to Rudy to Lev and funded by Russia. Perfect call my arse, this is why Moscow Mitch doesn’t want witnesses, because then a bunch of senate seats are in jeopardy if the votes are a sham like this trial was originally shaping up to be.

Interview with Lev should really put the heat on those senators on the fence, pretty clear and coordinated effort; Trump to Rudy to Lev and funded by Russia. Perfect call my arse, this is why Moscow Mitch doesn’t want witnesses, because then a bunch of senate seats are in jeopardy if the votes are a sham like this trial was originally shaping up to be.

the guy at the center of this surveillance of the ambassador, robert hyde, is running for congress in CT as a republican. the state party has been telling him long before this story came out, to drop out. He’s definitely a bit of a bit.

Sad to me that rudy is associated with people like this. he has fallen very. far from
the post 9/11 days when he seemed to be able to do anything.
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i don’t think there are any senators on the fence. they all have their minds made up, just like 99% of the house did. i
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You know Donald hardly knew Parnas and Fruman? They may have posed for a few pics together but then so many people do. The same with Nunes calls to Parnas.
Well if you believe that, you also probably think Trump is the Messiah!
Oh #^&#^&#^&#^&, you do think he's the Messiah, don't you?
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You know Donald hardly knew Parnas and Fruman? They may have posed for a few pics together but then so many people do. The same with Nunes calls to Parnas.
Well if you believe that, you also probably think Trump is the Messiah!
Oh #^&#^&#^&#^&, you do think he's the Messiah, don't you?
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he issue isn’t that i think he’s the messiah. the issue is that you all think he’s the love child of Hitler and Darth Vader.

He beat you, and you snapped. That’s what babies do.
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Floridaman’s seems to be getting Ukraine investigation
BREAKING: Ukraine's Interior Ministry announces criminal probe into alleged illegal surveillance of former US Ambassador to Ukraine Marie Yovanovitch after text messages released by House investigators showed Robert F. Hyde and Lev Parnas discussing her being tracked in Kyiv.
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Floridaman’s seems to be getting Ukraine investigation
BREAKING: Ukraine's Interior Ministry announces criminal probe into alleged illegal surveillance of former US Ambassador to Ukraine Marie Yovanovitch after text messages released by House investigators showed Robert F. Hyde and Lev Parnas discussing her being tracked in Kyiv.
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i have no problem investigating that. Can we also investigate hunter biden’s sweetheart deal?

you’re the kid who shows up with the shiny new ball, loses the game, then takes his ball and goes home, throwing a hissy fit.
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Lev Parnas is the smoking gun.

He’s like the guys who broke into the Watergate DNC in ‘72 and were caught by pure luck.

He knows everything about Florida-man’s illegal behavior.

No Trumplican can hide anymore.
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Ii have no problem investigating that. Can we also investigate hunter biden’s sweetheart deal?

you’re the kid who shows up with the shiny new ball, loses the game, then takes his ball and goes home, throwing a hissy fit.
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Again the 2 are not remotely connected. Getting a sweetheart deal is not what one would call probable cause , except a Trump fan

And the latest Lev Parnas told MSNBC he went to Ukraine to put pressure on officials on behalf of Mr Trump and his personal lawyer, Rudy Giuliani

Still not 1st hand enough

Americans are smart only the faithful close their eyes and ears to this evidence they keep the mouth open in an attempt create alternative facts,

It's the totality of Trumps negative behaviour it out paces his occasional good , it's not fake or made up behaviors he actually says and does the things hes criticized for.

But the talking point line any one who disagrees with Trump Just Hate him Holds as much water that anyone who disagreed with Obama did so because he was black..

both examples have some truth but mostly in the far right and left base

He is clearly the greatest president of our lifetime
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wdmso, i’m not saying the two are connected. i’m saying when there’s evidence of wrongdoing, let’s imvestigate it. i don’t care who is involved or which party.

I know a little about Robert Hyde. He’s crazy. He was removed by police from a trump hotel
last year, he told
the cops that the secret service was bugging him and that people were trying to kill him. he may we’ll be a paranoid schizophrenic. as i said, let’s investigate to see. but can’t we also investigate when there evidence that the Bidens were involved in fishy business?

You only want to investigate trump.
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Floridaman’s seems to be getting Ukraine investigation
BREAKING: Ukraine's Interior Ministry announces criminal probe into alleged illegal surveillance of former US Ambassador to Ukraine Marie Yovanovitch after text messages released by House investigators showed Robert F. Hyde and Lev Parnas discussing her being tracked in Kyiv.
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Bill Barr is super concerned about “illegal spying”...so he’s going to have DOJ all over this too, right?

wdmso, i’m not saying the two are connected. i’m saying when there’s evidence of wrongdoing, let’s imvestigate it. i don’t care who is involved or which party.

I know a little about Robert Hyde. He’s crazy. He was removed by police from a trump hotel
last year, he told
the cops that the secret service was bugging him and that people were trying to kill him. he may we’ll be a paranoid schizophrenic. as i said, let’s investigate to see. but can’t we also investigate when there evidence that the Bidens were involved in fishy business?

You only want to investigate trump.
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She had a relationship with dossier author Christopher Steele, gained 23 trademarks in China including 1 for voting machines, made $82 million while working in the WH, and laundered money with Iran’s General Soleimani.

I demand an investigation of Ivanka Trump. Who is with me?

Lev Parnas is the smoking gun.

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Pete, when the people you get your news from, are lying or wrong again and again and again, do they lose any credibility with you? You're listening to the same people who said Hilary was going to win in a landslide, that Trump would get indicted for collusion with Russia, that he is a tax cheat, that he engaged in bribery, that the Sandman kid was an evil racist (that's a sixteen year old kid, by the way, if that matters, which it doesn't, because he was wearing a MAGA hat, and that's all that matters).

I think smoking gun is a bit much. He has problems as a credible witness, and a lot will come down to how much can be verified.

It certainly begs the question; Rudy claims in asking for the meeting with Zelinsky, that the request was with the consent and knowledge of POTUS.
So was Trump lying when he said he didn't know what Rudy was doing in Ukraine or was Rudy lying about it then?

Plus there is a tangled web if Nunes was meeting with this guy as claimed. Nunes is trying to deflect and pull back, which is not a good look for him.

I think smoking gun is a bit much. He has problems as a credible witness, and a lot will come down to how much can be verified.

It certainly begs the question; Rudy claims in asking for the meeting with Zelinsky, that the request was with the consent and knowledge of POTUS. Plus there is a tangled web if Nunes was meeting with this guy as claimed. Nunes is trying to deflect and pull back, which is not a good look for him.

So was Trump lying when he said he didn't know what Rudy was doing in Ukraine or was Rudy lying about it then?

i’m am very sad to see how far Rudy has fallen. in the wake of 09/11, we were all in awe of the way he dealt with it all. he’s been reduced to a caricature of what he was.
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i’m am very sad to see how far Rudy has fallen. in the wake of 09/11, we were all in awe of the way he dealt with it all. he’s been reduced to a caricature of what he was.
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And the sadder part, is that Trump had to know Rudy was involved with these guys, and he still chose to keep him as his personal attorney.

i see that Nancy is so sorry and solemn, that she had commemorative pens made just for the occasion of signing the articles, engraved with her name, handed out to friends. Poor thing is so sad about all this.
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Pete, when the people you get your news from, are lying or wrong again and again and again, do they lose any credibility with you? You're listening to the same people who said Hilary was going to win in a landslide, that Trump would get indicted for collusion with Russia, that he is a tax cheat, that he engaged in bribery, that the Sandman kid was an evil racist (that's a sixteen year old kid, by the way, if that matters, which it doesn't, because he was wearing a MAGA hat, and that's all that matters).

Read the texts, letters and transcriptions of the voice messages and then say what is credible.
You are listening to Floridaman, who claims to be the greatest and most maligned person to ever exist.
He has been gaslighting since the 70s, just ask John Barron.

IIRC my federal conspiracy law lessons correctly, if someone is aware of at least part of the illegal conspiracy, and takes at least one act to further the conspiracy, they can be charged with the whole conspiracy.

There are a lot of people worried right now inside the Floridaman administration.

So if you just want to believe the party line don't read these documents...........and more will find the light of day

https://docs.house.gov/meetings/JU/JU00/20191211/110331/HMKP-116-JU00-20191211-SD9020.pdf

https://docs.house.gov/meetings/JU/JU00/20191211/110331/HMKP-116-JU00-20191211-SD9015.pdf


https://intelligence.house.gov/uploadedfiles/20200114_-_hpsci_transmittal_letter_to_hjc_-_new_evidence_attachment.pdf

https://intelligence.house.gov/uploadedfiles/20200114_-_parnas_excerpts_translated_slide_deck.pdf

i see that Nancy is so sorry and solemn, that she had commemorative pens made just for the occasion of signing the articles, engraved with her name, handed out to friends. Poor thing is so sad about all this.
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Meanwhile, you were bending over Trump’s ass and declaring it smelled like honeysuckle and rainbows.

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Pete, your desperation is showing. Loud and clear.
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Pete, your desperation is showing. Loud and clear.
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He’s bitterly clinging
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Pete, your desperation is showing. Loud and clear. if you actually believes what you claim to believe, you’d just say so.

The fact that you claim everyone who doesn’t hate him as rabidly as you do is a trumplican, shows how irrational and scared to death you are.
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He’s bitterly clinging
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they’re absolutely terrified at the thought of 4 more years.
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Must be time for a caravan, things are getting hot in Floridaman's world

The GOP senators are absolutely terrified at the thought of witnesses, forcing them to deny all the facts and show their home constituents they really don’t care about the laws or the constitution.
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All your deep thoughts, if you are capable of them.

All your deep thoughts, if you are capable of them.

Id put thoughts up against those of any of the snowflakes here, any day of the week. You react like Pavlovian dogs every time someone says anything negative about him.
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the guy at the center of this surveillance of the ambassador, robert hyde, is running for congress in CT as a republican. the state party has been telling him long before this story came out, to drop out. He’s definitely a bit of a bit.

Sad to me that rudy is associated with people like this. he has fallen very. far from
the post 9/11 days when he seemed to be able to do anything.
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i don’t think there are any senators on the fence. they all have their minds made up, just like 99% of the house did. i
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he issue isn’t that i think he’s the messiah. the issue is that you all think he’s the love child of Hitler and Darth Vader.

He beat you, and you snapped. That’s what babies do.
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i have no problem investigating that. Can we also investigate hunter biden’s sweetheart deal?

you’re the kid who shows up with the shiny new ball, loses the game, then takes his ball and goes home, throwing a hissy fit.
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wdmso, i’m not saying the two are connected. i’m saying when there’s evidence of wrongdoing, let’s imvestigate it. i don’t care who is involved or which party.

I know a little about Robert Hyde. He’s crazy. He was removed by police from a trump hotel
last year, he told
the cops that the secret service was bugging him and that people were trying to kill him. he may we’ll be a paranoid schizophrenic. as i said, let’s investigate to see. but can’t we also investigate when there evidence that the Bidens were involved in fishy business?

You only want to investigate trump.
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Pete, when the people you get your news from, are lying or wrong again and again and again, do they lose any credibility with you? You're listening to the same people who said Hilary was going to win in a landslide, that Trump would get indicted for collusion with Russia, that he is a tax cheat, that he engaged in bribery, that the Sandman kid was an evil racist (that's a sixteen year old kid, by the way, if that matters, which it doesn't, because he was wearing a MAGA hat, and that's all that matters).

i’m am very sad to see how far Rudy has fallen. in the wake of 09/11, we were all in awe of the way he dealt with it all. he’s been reduced to a caricature of what he was.
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i see that Nancy is so sorry and solemn, that she had commemorative pens made just for the occasion of signing the articles, engraved with her name, handed out to friends. Poor thing is so sad about all this.
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Pete, your desperation is showing. Loud and clear.
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Pete, your desperation is showing. Loud and clear. if you actually believes what you claim to believe, you’d just say so.

The fact that you claim everyone who doesn’t hate him as rabidly as you do is a trumplican, shows how irrational and scared to death you are.
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they’re absolutely terrified at the thought of 4 more years.
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Id put thoughts up against those of any of the snowflakes here, any day of the week. You react like Pavlovian dogs every time someone says anything negative about him.
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A little projection from the rabid watchdog?

He is a vile, dangerous and despicable man, but I react due to his policies on the environment, his mishandling of foreign affairs, his isolationist views on how America should move forward, my reactions wouldn’t be different if someone else was in there governing the same, so no Jim it’s not about hate. Hate and fear is what his party is about, my father would be appalled on seeing what his Republican Party had evolved into.

He is a vile, dangerous and despicable man, but I react due to his policies on the environment, his mishandling of foreign affairs, his isolationist views on how America should move forward, my reactions wouldn’t be different if someone else was in there governing the same, so no Jim it’s not about hate. Hate and fear is what his party is about, my father would be appalled on seeing what his Republican Party had evolved into.

Hater
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If a congressman can wear sneakers to an impeachment. Trump should wear golf shoes to the state of the union
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If a congressman can wear sneakers to an impeachment. Trump should wear golf shoes to the state of the union
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He has played more golf than any other President.

After saying he wouldn't have time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agz42UhlOew

He has played more golf than any other President.

After saying he wouldn't have time.



probably surprised even himself at how effective he can be as President and still find leisure time

golfing, like the debt, is an issue on which everyone flip flops depending on the party of the sitting president. I assume he can do his job anywhere. the only time i cared when obama did it, if i remember correctly, was golfing on the day that an american citizen was murdered by terrorists, optics weren’t great.
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He is a vile, dangerous and despicable man, but I react due to his policies on the environment, his mishandling of foreign affairs, his isolationist views on how America should move forward, my reactions wouldn’t be different if someone else was in there governing the same, so no Jim it’s not about hate. Hate and fear is what his party is about, my father would be appalled on seeing what his Republican Party had evolved into.
Do you think your father would be proud to see you still polishing Obama’s ball bag?
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Ooooh is that the best insult you have, was it a New Years resolution to be less hostile on this forum.

Ooooh is that the best insult you have, was it a New Years resolution to be less hostile on this forum.

No, same old exercise more bs.

Can you answer my question now?
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Do you think your father would be proud to see you still polishing Obama’s ball bag?
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Where have you seen Bob ballwash Obama? Clearly we see you ballwash Trump daily, but GS?
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Why is Dangles so obsessed with the twig and berries?
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Why is Dangles so obsessed with the twig and berries?
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I wonder how you speak while I hold you by the throat.
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Why is Dangles so obsessed with the twig and berries?
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Could be he just doesn’t wear the pants in the family and he wishes he had a pair, or it’s just a case of little big man syndrome.

I wonder how you speak while I hold you by the throat.
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Quit with the fantasies you’re creeping everyone out #bigbearcd
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Could be he just doesn’t wear the pants in the family and he wishes he had a pair, or it’s just a case of little big man syndrome.

Do you think I could borrow Peg’s?
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Do you think I could borrow Peg’s?
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Another new low from the most vile person on this forum (even Dozer when he shows up).

Nothing he says bothers me, it’s just who he is. He offers little more than insults, predictable one liners, or his emoji burgers.

Another new low from the most vile person on this forum (even Dozer when he shows up).

Rest easy my child.
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Nothing he says bothers me, it’s just who he is. He offers little more than insults, predictable one liners, or his emoji burgers.
I could offer predictions but that is already covered.
🤡👳🏾#^&♂️🤡
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Rest easy my child.
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:rollem:

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A good essay on Trump.

Trump’s Evil Is Contagious

The president has shown us exactly what happens when good people do nothing.

Timothy Egan

By Timothy Egan

It passed with the usual shrug by the usual handmaidens of hatred when the president of the world’s most powerful democracy threatened to commit war crimes by bombing Iranian cultural sites — the kind of barbarism practiced by the Taliban and rogue-state thugs.

After being told that he would be in violation of Geneva Convention rules that the United States had helped to create back when America was actually great, President Trump relented, but still wondered: Why not?

The warlord-in-chief had already gone out of his way to protect a Navy SEAL member who’d been accused of committing war crimes. And what kind of man did the president upend the military code of justice for?

“The guy is freaking evil,” one fellow SEAL told investigators, referring to Special Operations chief Edward Gallagher, who was convicted of posing with the corpse of a teenage boy who’d been killed in his custody. After the presidential intervention, the formerly shamed serviceman was posing at Mar-a-Lago.

On any given day, Trump is vindictive, ignorant, narcissistic, a fraud — well, his pathologies are well known. But it’s time to apply the same word to him as the brave Navy man did to the renegade in his unit. Under Trump, the United States is a confederacy of corruption, driven by a thousand points of evil. And that evil is contagious.

We all grew up hearing an ageless warning about public morality: that the only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to do nothing.

The presumed outcome is reassuring, a story we tell ourselves. But in the last three years, that homily has been proven right, in the country where it was not supposed to happen. The Trump presidency has shown just how many ostensibly good people will do nothing, and how evil, when given a free rein at the top, trickles down.

When Trump retweeted a Photoshopped image of the two most important Democratic leaders of Congress dressed in Islamic garb in front of the Iranian flag, there was no chorus of condemnation from his side. Here was a graphic lie, a cheap defamation, the kind of dirty little trick that politicians usually give to the felon operating under the radar. For Trump, it was just another Monday.

Was it politics, or evil, when candidate Trump smeared a Gold Star family in 2016? Was it a mere shift in public policy, or evil, when Trump allowed people acting in our name to put children in cages and separate them from their mothers?

Was it mere theatrics to revel in a chant of “Lock her up,” about Hillary Clinton, who has now been exonerated, twice, by federal investigators? Was it normal for the 44th successor of a president who could not tell a lie, to lie more than 15,000 times?

Trump has so desensitized us that a day without a round of blunt force cruelty from the White House is newsworthy. And now it all comes to a boil in the impeachment trial. The facts are not in dispute: Trump tried to force a struggling democracy into doing his political dirty work for him. He tried to squeeze a foreign power into meddling in our election. What is very much in doubt is whether enough good people will do something.

In the process of this high crime, Trump broke the law, as a nonpartisan congressional watchdog reported Thursday. The greater evil is the violation of the lofty purpose written into this country’s founding documents. The smaller evils are the Republican senators who know the president violated his oath and deserves to be impeached, but don’t have the guts to say so.

“Do not, as my party did, underestimate the evil, desperate nature of evil, desperate people,” writes Rick Wilson, the Republican operative and witty Never-Trumper, in “Running Against the Devil,” his new book. “There is no bottom. There is no shame. There are no limits.” (as demonstrated by SD many times here).
As for the contagion of evil, you need not look far. In Texas this month, Gov. Greg Abbott said his state would become the first to refuse to take in even a small number of legal, fully vetted refugees. These are people who’ve been approved by the federal government for asylum, after being displaced by war, famine or persecution. In the past, people from Vietnam, Cuba and Africa have been welcomed, and have gone on to become some of our finest citizens.

A handful of citizens, the Catholic Church, some members of Congress, objected. “Accepting refugees with open arms — giving without keeping score — is who we are as Americans,” tweeted Representative Pramila Jayapal, Democrat of Washington, herself an immigrant.

Sorry, that’s not who we are as Americans in the Trump era. When the hate flag is flying, most of Trump’s followers have stood up and saluted.


Here’s the two-step that all good people must take now: First, realize the level of depravity that has taken over the White House, and second, fight accordingly.

“Do not come to this fight believing that the Trump team views any action, including outright criminality, as off limits,” writes Wilson. This doesn’t mean you have to cheat, lie, or coerce. But it means you do have to fight, or be counted among the do-nothings who allowed evil to flourish.

Perfect

Interesting opinion
From a liberal perspective.
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So Trump is evil, and navy seal gallagher is evil because
one anonymous person said so.

Good enough for me, by jiminy.
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Paul, come on, you know how strained TX is because if the illegals that cross from Mexico?

Let’s be very clear. The author you quoted is saying it’s “evil”, to say “ look, we have more immigrants than
our budget and infrastructure can accommodate already. Let another state take some in, or give us money to support them.”

That’s an evil thing to say?

I don’t see it. the author makes some good points, but also goes way way to far to attack trump. but to your side, there’s no such thing as going too far to hit trump.
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So Trump is evil, and navy seal gallagher is evil because
one anonymous person said so.

Good enough for me, by jiminy.
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You recite the party lies as usual and have strange heroes.

The Navy SEALs showed up one by one, wearing hoodies and T-shirts instead of uniforms, to tell investigators what they had seen. Visibly nervous, they shifted in their chairs, rubbed their palms and pressed their fists against their foreheads. At times they stopped in midsentence and broke into tears.

“Sorry about this,” Special Operator First Class Craig Miller, one of the most experienced SEALs in the group, said as he looked sideways toward a blank wall, trying to hide that he was weeping. “It’s the first time — I’m really broken up about this.”

Video recordings of the interviews obtained by The New York Times, which have not been shown publicly before, were part of a trove of Navy investigative materials about the prosecution of Special Operations Chief Edward Gallagher on war crimes charges including murder.

They offer the first opportunity outside the courtroom to hear directly from the men of Alpha platoon, SEAL Team 7, whose blistering testimony about their platoon chief was dismissed by President Trump when he upended the military code of justice to protect Chief Gallagher from the punishment.

“The guy is freaking evil,” Special Operator Miller told investigators. “The guy was toxic,” Special Operator First Class Joshua Vriens, a sniper, said in a separate interview. “You could tell he was perfectly O.K. with killing anybody that was moving,” Special Operator First Class Corey Scott, a medic in the platoon, told the investigators.

You recite the party lies as usual and have strange heroes.

The Navy SEALs showed up one by one, wearing hoodies and T-shirts instead of uniforms, to tell investigators what they had seen. Visibly nervous, they shifted in their chairs, rubbed their palms and pressed their fists against their foreheads. At times they stopped in midsentence and broke into tears.

“Sorry about this,” Special Operator First Class Craig Miller, one of the most experienced SEALs in the group, said as he looked sideways toward a blank wall, trying to hide that he was weeping. “It’s the first time — I’m really broken up about this.”

Video recordings of the interviews obtained by The New York Times, which have not been shown publicly before, were part of a trove of Navy investigative materials about the prosecution of Special Operations Chief Edward Gallagher on war crimes charges including murder.

They offer the first opportunity outside the courtroom to hear directly from the men of Alpha platoon, SEAL Team 7, whose blistering testimony about their platoon chief was dismissed by President Trump when he upended the military code of justice to protect Chief Gallagher from the punishment.

“The guy is freaking evil,” Special Operator Miller told investigators. “The guy was toxic,” Special Operator First Class Joshua Vriens, a sniper, said in a separate interview. “You could tell he was perfectly O.K. with killing anybody that was moving,” Special Operator First Class Corey Scott, a medic in the platoon, told the investigators.

"You recite the party lies "

Take a poll of everyone the guy served with, I'll abide by that. I am not swayed by a reporter cherry-picking opinions of this guy to serve his narrative.

You take a poll. The guys on his own Seal team where honorable enough to out him. The Seals don't want him back.

You take a poll. The guys on his own Seal team where honorable enough to out him. The Seals don't want him back.

"The guys". You mean two quoted in the article? How about everyone else?

Paul, I don't know much about the case other than that it was very weird. But if a few guys said Gallagher was a solid leader and a decent man, this author would have ignored that because it didn't fit his agenda of attacking Trump.

I'm not trying to prove anything about Gallagher, I don't need to take a poll. If you're gong to say he's "evil", a sample of two guys doesn't show that with any credibility whatsoever. Hundreds of SEALs will know who he is.

"The guys". You mean two quoted in the article? How about everyone else?

Paul, I don't know much about the case other than that it was very weird. But if a few guys said Gallagher was a solid leader and a decent man, this author would have ignored that because it didn't fit his agenda of attacking Trump.

I'm not trying to prove anything about Gallagher, I don't need to take a poll. If you're gong to say he's "evil", a sample of two guys doesn't show that with any credibility whatsoever. Hundreds of SEALs will know who he is.

nope more than 2. look it up.

You're the one who said take a poll.

I think smoking gun is a bit much. He has problems as a credible witness, and a lot will come down to how much can be verified.

It certainly begs the question; Rudy claims in asking for the meeting with Zelinsky, that the request was with the consent and knowledge of POTUS.
So was Trump lying when he said he didn't know what Rudy was doing in Ukraine or was Rudy lying about it then?

Plus there is a tangled web if Nunes was meeting with this guy as claimed. Nunes is trying to deflect and pull back, which is not a good look for him.

Bryan, I'll ask you because you're very rational...how many times do you listen to the same exact people say "we've got him THIS time", before you just stop listening?

Bryan, I'll ask you because you're very rational...how many times do you listen to the same exact people say "we've got him THIS time", before you just stop listening?

If Moscow Mitch ever allowed witnesses and documents, you might get real close to sealing the deal. Personally, I'd be ok if the senate doesn't remove him from office, provided they look at all the facts, bring in all the witnesses that have first hand knowledge and get all the applicable documents on the record; at least then it's an outcome the public can deal with at the polls.

If Moscow Mitch ever allowed witnesses and documents, you might get real close to sealing the deal. Personally, I'd be ok if the senate doesn't remove him from office, provided they look at all the facts, bring in all the witnesses that have first hand knowledge and get all the applicable documents on the record; at least then it's an outcome the public can deal with at the polls.

The house is charged with making the case.

But I'm fine with the democrats calling Bolton, and the Republicans calling Hunter Biden. Let's investigate, I have no issue with that.

Paul S, I have to say this about Gallagher, it's unusual for his teammates, even a small number, to speak out against him so vehemently, so something weird is going on there. But it's also a fact that another serviceman confessed to choking the guy to death that Gallagher was charged with killing (that's my understanding), so they didn't have their facts sorted out. Of the servicemen he got pardoned, Gallagher was the one the seemed off to me. I don't know if he's "evil".

Paul S, I have to say this about Gallagher, it's unusual for his teammates, even a small number, to speak out against him so vehemently, so something weird is going on there. But it's also a fact that another serviceman confessed to choking the guy to death that Gallagher was charged with killing (that's my understanding), so they didn't have their facts sorted out. Of the servicemen he got pardoned, Gallagher was the one the seemed off to me. I don't know if he's "evil".
I think it was like 1/3 of his company came out against, that's not a few disgruntled guys who just didn't like him.

Regardless, the bigger issue with this story is how Trump just inserted himself in the process for political purposes. The guy could have been cleared legally, let the military court of justice do it's work.

The house is charged with making the case.
And now we see that the ranking Republican member of the House Intel committee looks to have been a co-conspirator in what they were investigating.

Any issue with that Jim?

And now we see that the ranking Republican member of the House Intel committee looks to have been a co-conspirator in what they were investigating.

Any issue with that Jim?

i said, let’s investigate it all, including how hunter biden got that job.

Any issue with that Spence? or are we only allowed to investigate republicans?

Spence, how many sad and
solemn occasions have you been to (funerals, perhaps), where they handed out commemorative pens?

i answered your question, grow a pair and answer mine.
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Bryan, I'll ask you because you're very rational...how many times do you listen to the same exact people say "we've got him THIS time", before you just stop listening?

The same people? I scan three different news sites most mornings. One is WSJ, so I try to not pigeon hole into one side. But don't confuse 'they didn't get him' with 'Trump did nothing wrong'.....

On this, I listened to this straight from Parnas' mouth.

As I said, it all needs to be verified/corroborated but based on Trump's history of lying about relationships (he can downplay that he was with him all the time, but it sure looks like he knows him) and Rudy's sketchy activities in Ukraine and elsewhere none of it is farfetched.

If nothing was below board, a lot of this should be easily cleared up with all of the folks with key info (Bolton, OMB personnel etc) are allowed to testify.

As Spence reiterated what I said earlier, it is pretty concerning if Parnas really was meeting with Nunes, given his role on impeachment. The timing of this meetings, if they occurred, is now very interesting.... That should be easily verifiable with phone records.

Nunes is trying to spin this, but if you are in his position on the impeachment team, I would have to ask how many random people, which Nunes is basically saying Parnas was, would be calling on his private cell.
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Regardless, the bigger issue with this story is how Trump just inserted himself in the process for political purposes.

when obama and clinton pardoned people, did you fret that they were. “just inserting themselves in the process for political purposes”?

Answer: no

Reason: you’re motivated by partisan politics, 100% of the time.

you’re the exact mirror image of sean hannity, and somehow you don’t see it. When have you ever criticized liberalism or credited conservatism? can you point to a single time?
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Jeff expects more from others than he does from himself. Very simple,somebody ruined him at a young age.
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when obama and clinton pardoned people, did you fret that they were. “just inserting themselves in the process for political purposes”?

Answer: no

Reason: you’re motivated by partisan politics, 100% of the time.

you’re the exact mirror image of sean hannity, and somehow you don’t see it. When have you ever criticized liberalism or credited conservatism? can you point to a single time?
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Perhaps you’d like to enlighten us to how many judicial cases they interfered with. Oh and you forgot to mention Bush.
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Anyone know how I can get one of those Nancy Pelosi gold pens ?
They looked pretty nice ��

Perhaps you’d like to enlighten us to how many judicial cases they interfered with.
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Obama never interfered in a case? Is that a joke? Every single
time obama perceived a black was wronged by a white, he opened his big fat mouth before the facts came out.

The Cambridge police acted stupidly, if i had a son he’d look like that criminal over there...

Can you ever just answer a challenging question? You ask fair and challenging questions constantly, but you never ever answer them.

Here - how many sad and solemn occasions have you ever been to, where they passed out commemorative pens to mark the occasion, emblazoned with the name of the person responsible?

The answer, of course, is zero. Pelosi framed it that way, dishonestly, for political reasons. But you only care about political motivations, when demonstrated by republicans.
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Anyone know how I can get one of those Nancy Pelosi gold pens ?
They looked pretty nice ��

whore yourself out to
liberalism.
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whore yourself out to
liberalism.
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Right.... Only liberals whore themselves out with commemorative #^&#^&#^&#^&....

https://cdn3.volusion.com/mwceg.gjtbh/v/vspfiles/photos/SummitCoin-2.png?v-cache=1531400093
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Right.... Only liberals whore themselves out with commemorative #^&#^&#^&#^&....

https://cdn3.volusion.com/mwceg.gjtbh/v/vspfiles/photos/SummitCoin-2.png?v-cache=1531400093
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see, i would never say that bryan. i readily admit that there are plenty of whores on my side, so you’re responding to something no one said.

The only people i see here who are physically incapable of admitting their side isn’t perfect, are the liberals. not all the liberals do this, but only the liberals do it. .
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Bull#^&#^&#^&#^&. That whole rant about commentating solemn occasions was about liberals. Not both sides.

Its Saturday. Have a weekend guys! Out.
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Bull#^&#^&#^&#^&. That whole rant about commentating solemn occasions was about liberals. Not both sides.

Its Saturday. Have a weekend guys! Out.
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i’m heading out for the day soon.

Bryan, my comments about the pens were directed at liberals. will
it make you feel better if every single time i post, i put in a disclaimer that “i know conservatives do this sometimes too”? I criticize republicans all the time.
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The irony is she calls it solemn and then commemorates the occasion.
Beautiful snowflake catchers, those pens!
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I had a little problem with the pens but then I remembered how vile Trump has been to anyone who he disagrees with and his constant insults and derogatory comments about them. So on retrospect I think they threw it in his face and good for them
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If you can’t beat him,join him. Ha, the looney left.🤡
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I had a little problem with the pens but then I remembered how vile Trump has been to anyone who he disagrees with and his constant insults and derogatory comments about them. So on retrospect I think they threw it in his face and good for them
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threw what in his face? you think impeachment has him on his heels? have you seen his rallies since the impeachment? the impeachment, at the hands of a house this unpopular, is as likely to help him as to hurt him.

“i had a problem with the pens, but then remembered trump is a jerk, therefore it’s ok if the speaker lies to the country.”

someone has to show some morals first. it won’t be trump.


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The speaker lied to the country?
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threw what in his face? you think impeachment has him on his heels? have you seen his rallies since the impeachment? the impeachment, at the hands of a house this unpopular, is as likely to help him as to hurt him.

“i had a problem with the pens, but then remembered trump is a jerk, therefore it’s ok if the speaker lies to the country.”

someone has to show some morals first. it won’t be trump.


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They threw the impeachment in his face. He will go down in history as one of only three presidents to ever get impeached. and from all reports that has been making him miserable. We can't help it if his trumplican refuse 2 look at it in an unbiased Manner and see how he tried to withhold Ukrainian Aid to benefit himself politically
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He already has gone down in history...
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In celebrating the impeachment of a President who used the people's money for his own personal benefit is not a lack of morals.
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The speaker lied to the country?
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she said she was sad, somber, and praying for trump. no one believes that. so yes, she lied. you don’t give out souvenirs emblazoned with your name in gold, at a solemn and sad occasion. i’ve seen a lot of
lefties on tv say that was stupid. you can’t bring yourself to
say it though.
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They threw the impeachment in his face. He will go down in history as one of only three presidents to ever get impeached. and from all reports that has been making him miserable. We can't help it if his trumplican refuse 2 look at it in an unbiased Manner and see how he tried to withhold Ukrainian Aid to benefit himself politically
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the reports you get, say he's
miserable. those same
reports said hilary was going to cream him, said 50 times that they had the smoking gun, said that the Sandman kid was a racist perpetuating the second coming of the Trail Of Tears.

watch his rallies, tell me
how miserable he is. you still don’t know anything about him.
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i’m heading out for the day soon.

Bryan, my comments about the pens were directed at liberals. will
it make you feel better if every single time i post, i put in a disclaimer that “i know conservatives do this sometimes too”? I criticize republicans all the time.
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No. I think it is a bit tacky and would prefer they didn't tread on this with crap like that.

The difference is, I didn't feel outraged and run here to post about the pens because I recognize both sides do #^&#^&#^&#^& like that, and it starts with the top. Trump sells #^&#^&#^&#^& for everything he does as commemorative.
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the reports you get, say he's
miserable. those same
reports said hilary was going to cream him, said 50 times that they had the smoking gun, said that the Sandman kid was a racist perpetuating the second coming of the Trail Of Tears.

watch his rallies, tell me
how miserable he is. you still don’t know anything about him.
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He is basically a reality TV actor. I dont think the rally Trump reflect 'reality' either.

Forget Who is 'telling' us.
Read his Twitter feed. He is obsessed with numerous things, (besides HRC and Obama) but impeachment is front and center. This is clearly under his skin. As far as being miserable, who knows. I don't suspect he is ever that happy of a person to begin with.
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The difference is, I didn't feel outraged and run here to post about the pens because I recognize both sides do #^&#^&#^&#^& like that,

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I think it was after the house vote to commence impeachment the rnc left cardboard boxes and tape at the doors of all of the democrap house members in vunerable districts with a note attached that said "start packing",,,, that was pretty funny :rotflmao:

Read his Twitter feed.
.
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twitter is a sideshow to distract snowflakes...

twitter is a sideshow to distract snowflakes...

No. Since before he was POTUS Twitter is his stream of consciousness
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No. I think it is a bit tacky and would prefer they didn't tread on this with crap like that.

The difference is, I didn't feel outraged and run here to post about the pens because I recognize both sides do #^&#^&#^&#^& like that, and it starts with the top. Trump sells #^&#^&#^&#^& for everything he does as commemorative.
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i wasn’t the least bit outraged. i thought it was hilarious.
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No. Since before he was POTUS Twitter is his stream of consciousness
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twitter is an extremely effective distraction for the snowflakes...they are as obsessed with it as they are faux news and they spend much more time monitoring both apparently than the non-snowflakes:rotf3:

twitter is an extremely effective distraction for the snowflakes...they are as obsessed with it as they are faux news and they spend much more time monitoring both apparently than the non-snowflakes:rotf3:

Donald Trump has 55 million followers on Twitter.


Yep all snowflakes. Not to mention it's also an official presidential record Sure it's a distraction for the base waiting for the next tweet so they can say he owed the libs

Just like the Arizona Senator did using the clip in a Twitter ad to raise money

twitter is an extremely effective distraction for the snowflakes...they are as obsessed with it as they are faux news and they spend much more time monitoring both apparently than the non-snowflakes:rotf3:

exactly. Trump uses twitter for the exact same purpose that a puppeteer uses the strings. He uses twitter, to trigger the snowflakes into acting so stupidly, as to increase his chances of getting re elected. He does it again and again and again, and they never learn. He throws rakes down on the white house lawn, and they fight each other to be the first to step on it. He says MS13 are animals, the democrats say they’re merely god’s children. He says Baltimore is a rat infested mess, they deny it even though it’s obviously true. He tweets that Soleimani was an SOB, they ask how we’d like it if they killed Mike Pence.

Jim Hensen was never this talented a puppeteer.
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exactly. Trump uses twitter for the exact same purpose that a puppeteer uses the strings. He uses twitter, to trigger the snowflakes into acting so stupidly, as to increase his chances of getting re elected. He does it again and again and again, and they never learn. He throws rakes down on the white house lawn, and they fight each other to be the first to step on it. He says MS13 are animals, the democrats say they’re merely god’s children. He says Baltimore is a rat infested mess, they deny it even though it’s obviously true. He tweets that Soleimani was an SOB, they ask how we’d like it if they killed Mike Pence.

Jim Hensen was never this talented a puppeteer.
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Thanks for making my point


it's a distraction for the base waiting for the next tweet so they can say he owed the libs

JIM trump is playing the base , and only the base thinks it's the other way around

That's how cults work

Thanks for making my point


it's a distraction for the base waiting for the next tweet so they can say he owed the libs

JIM trump is playing the base , and only the base thinks it's the other way around

That's how cults work

you completely missed the point, because you only listen
to people who also miss the point.

Trump tweets, and the democrats respond in a way that brings out the worst and most stupid in them. people in the middle of the country, who are not Trumplicans but who decide elections, see the liberals
defending ms13 and this Soleimani guy, and some are turned off by that.

Trump isn’t manipulating his base. He’s manipulating liberals, into acting like foaming-at-the mouth lunatics.

Both sides have their solid base. The folks in the middle decide the election. they aren’t infatuated with trump. but they don’t like open borders or 9th month abortions, they like whats happening with their 401ks, and they don’t like watching the democratic candidates trying to out-left each other.

you don’t get it. he’s been following the same exact playbook since he announced he’s running, and you still don’t get it. it took me awhile
to figure it out, but it didn’t take me
5 years.

I cannot stand the guy. But I cannot help but be amazed at his
ability to get democrats to willingly shoot them selves in the face.

does anyone in the left, anyone at all, talk about policy ideas anymore? or only about orange man bad?
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