desperate to deny Trump the political victory he secured with the way the Iran situation played out, house democrats voted to limit what Trump can do militarily in the future.

Rep Brian Mast (R-FL) talked for a moment in the floor of congress to express his opinion. He has a vested interest in this, you’ll see why if you watch him walk off the stage.

There is literally nothing that matters more to democrats than their hatred of Trump. I for one, am glad and proud to be on this guys side. if my positions put me squarely at odds with this man, Id ask myself why that was the case.

https://pjmedia.com/trending/congressman-who-lost-legs-to-ied-walks-to-podium-to-torch-dems-for-being-cowards-after-soleimani-hit/?fbclid=IwAR0n_JIXtjGGgp4RxgyIgvNtIjznfovjm6sX7nrs h3JeFNbcFR0P4b9QdDg

Funny their are vets who are Dems and serve in congress who have been maimed by war ,
And see things different

And this guys clearly is carrying republican talking points that if you against assasination some how your un American,, I see his comments as un American and his willingness to allow Trump un checked power..

the constitution seems only to apply when republicans need it ... to funny

the constitution seems only to apply when republicans need it ... to funny

republicans are the ones who ignore the constitution routinely? Conservatives do that more than progressives?

Fascinating.
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republicans are the ones who ignore the constitution routinely? Conservatives do that more than progressives?

Fascinating.
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Well, coming from the party that thinks that 1A, 2A, and the Electoral College are just “ Suggestions”, it’s not surprising.
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desperate to deny Trump the political victory he secured with the way the Iran situation played out, house democrats voted to limit what Trump can do militarily in the future.

Great, so Trump makes a unilateral, potentially illegal, reckless and extremely risky escalation (which still fails to show justification) and because it somehow doesn't lead to all out war in 48 hours he gets a win.

Wow, that's a freaking low bar you're holding there Jim. His fragile ego, hatred for all things Obama and ring of sycophants should give you a great reason to be very concerned.

spence says it’s reckless
to kill a terrorist and enemy combatant, credited with killing 600 americans. it’s less risky to let him keep operating. he’s not willing to take on any risk to provide justice for the victims.

Spence, if the economy holds ( no one knows if it will), Trump wins again. How long will you go into self exile this time?
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Well, coming from the party that thinks that 1A, 2A, and the Electoral College are just “ Suggestions”, it’s not surprising.
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progressives think the interpretation institution should evolve with the times, conservatives don’t. that’s basic politics, not sure how he denies that.
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spence says it’s reckless
to kill a terrorist and enemy combatant, credited with killing 600 americans. it’s less risky to let him keep operating. he’s not willing to take on any risk to provide justice for the victims.

Spence, if the economy holds ( no one knows if it will), Trump wins again. How long will you go into self exile this time?
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John, we need a double facepalm emoji now.

Next you'll be claiming democrats love terrorists, oops Collins beat you to it.

so Trump makes a unilateral, potentially illegal, reckless and extremely risky escalation

.

panties on fire

More unhinged from poor Jeff.
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John, we need a double facepalm emoji now.

Next you'll be claiming democrats love terrorists, oops Collins beat you to it.

i’m not that stupid to say that. but you said very clearly, it’s wrong for us to assume risk to deal with the Soleimini’s of the world. let’s deal with what you explicitly said, rather than claim I said gibberish i sense that i’d never say. Fair enough?

You didn’t care about possible Al
Queda retaliation when obama has
bin laden killed. Because
orange man bad, and because
obama gives you erections.
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i’m not that stupid to say that. but you said very clearly, it’s wrong for us to assume risk to deal with the Soleimini’s of the world. let’s deal with what you explicitly said, rather than claim I said gibberish i sense that i’d never say. Fair enough?

Who ever said we can't tolerate risk? Good lord the irony in your post.

Who ever said we can't tolerate risk? Good lord the irony in your post.

you said killing him was a reckless
and risky escalation. i don’t think that between the coasts, that’s a popular opinion. if
those words sound idiotic
to you i agree with you, but the fact is they’re your words.
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John, we need a double facepalm emoji now.

Next you'll be claiming democrats love terrorists, oops Collins beat you to it.

The amount of Progressives and Dems directly laying the blame of the Iran downing of the Ukraine 737 on Trump would indicate that.

The amount of Progressives and Dems celebrating the life of Soleimani would indicate that.

It has been bizzarro world past week.

a great week for trump, probably the best of his presidency, can’t imagine what his fundraising was.
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The amount of Progressives and Dems directly laying the blame of the Iran downing of the Ukraine 737 on Trump would indicate that.
I haven't seen any Dems laying the blame directly on Trump, but it is fair to say had he not made such a reckless move the Iranians wouldn't have had the opportunity to eff it up so badly and those people would be alive. I'm still trying to understand how the Iranians could have been operating regular commercial flights the same day they're launching rockets.

It does also highlight how most of the rest of the world views Iran under a different lens. Imagine, Iranian kids going to college in Canada. I thought they were all terrorists.

The amount of Progressives and Dems celebrating the life of Soleimani would indicate that.
Haven't seen this either, not once.

spence, it was “reckless” to kill Soleimini, right? the responsible thing to
do, was to let him keep killing people? what do you teach your kids, that actions have no consequences, as long as other kids are sufficiently scared of them?
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I haven't seen any Dems laying the blame directly on Trump, but it is fair to say had he not made such a reckless move the Iranians wouldn't have had the opportunity to eff it up so badly and those people would be alive. I'm still trying to understand how the Iranians could have been operating regular commercial flights the same day they're launching rockets.

It does also highlight how most of the rest of the world views Iran under a different lens. Imagine, Iranian kids going to college in Canada. I thought they were all terrorists.


Haven't seen this either, not once.

Of course you haven't its another made up narrative by republicans to present any one with different view is un American or Iranian sympathizer..

But OMG the right being called deplorables . They were outraged

But calling others un American or sympathizer must be how they intend to make America great again
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spence, if
killing was reckless, why did Susan Rice day that if the obama
administration had been given the same opportunity, they would have seriously considered it?

Was the Bataan Death March our fault too? After all, If the entire world simply capitulated to Japan, they would have had no reason to attack athe Philippines, and the Death March wouldn’t have happened. Right?

The AP headline said, and this is an
exact quote, “Iranian General
Killed In US Strike, Then Innocents Suffer.””

That’s not misleading, nope.
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republicans are the ones who ignore the constitution routinely? Conservatives do that more than progressives?

Fascinating.
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Try to follow along were talking executive privilege and Republicans conceding their constitutional powers to the president,, for conservatives 2a is the whole constitution
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Try to follow along were talking executive privilege and Republicans conceding their constitutional powers to the president,, for conservatives 2a is the whole constitution
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i’m a republican and i want more gun control. republicans don’t embrace the freedoms of speech and religion?
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I haven't seen any Dems laying the blame directly on Trump, but it is fair to say had he not made such a reckless move the Iranians wouldn't have had the opportunity to eff it up so badly and those people would be alive.

Indirect blame is blame none-the-less. And it is a cowardly and often stupid way of avoiding direct responsibility by making it seem to appear that blame is not actually being cast while it effectively is. That is what you are doing here--pretending that you are not directly saying it was Trumps fault, yet making it "fair to say" that his action is responsible since if he hadn't done it, the plane would not have been shot down and those people would be alive.

And you fail to note the infinite other "flapping of butterflies wings" that could have led to the tragedy. For instance, if Soleimani had not killed thousands and thousands of people, including Americans, this tragedy wouldn't have happened. If Iran didn't sponsor terrorism and try to rule over Iraq, it wouldn't have happened. And the myriad other if's that led up to what is going on now. It is stupid to claim that there was a singular causal relationship between the killing of Soleimani and the plane being shot down. And it is more cowardly, devious, and dirty to just imply it.


I'm still trying to understand how the Iranians could have been operating regular commercial flights the same day they're launching rockets.


Perhaps they were being reckless.

The AP didn't refer to Soleimani as a terrorist, or an enemy combatant, but simply as "an Iranian General". As if we had no legitimate reason to kill him. This was the Associated Press.

He put in amotion a plan to bomb a Washington DC restaurant, yet they only referred to him as an Iranian General.

Nancy Pelosi said, "how would we like it if Iran killed our number two?" I'm sorry, how many plots did Mike Pence put in mtion to put bombs in restaurants? Spence, WDMSO, how many? It's beyond insane to make any moral equivalence between him and Mike Pence.

To the snowflakes here, go ahead and tell me that's not a bullsh*t, deliberately misleading headline. You people STILL have absolutely no idea how Trump won, why he gets tens of thousands of people at his rallies. No clue. Not the faintest clue. It's stupifying to watch. It's like you don't want to win in November.

And with all the flight from blus states to red states (so much for liberal utopia), red states will pick up some congressional seats after the census, blue states will lose some seats. All hail the electoral college...

I haven't seen any Dems laying the blame directly on Trump

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/jackie-speier-ukraine-plane-crash-trump_n_5e184e99c5b6da971d13f559

“If what is being projected is true, this is yet another example of collateral damage from the actions that have been taken in a provocative way by the president of the United States,” Speier said.
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https://www.huffpost.com/entry/jackie-speier-ukraine-plane-crash-trump_n_5e184e99c5b6da971d13f559

“If what is being projected is true, this is yet another example of collateral damage from the actions that have been taken in a provocative way by the president of the United States,” Speier said.
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Nothing wrong with that.
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Nothing wrong with that.
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Well, you were wrong for starters, so there's that.
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Well, you were wrong for starters, so there's that.
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Be a parent of the dead, then respond.
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Be a parent of the dead, then respond.
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You're Still Wrong

Wrong wrong wrong
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You're Still Wrong

Wrong wrong wrong
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I agree. And he is not only wrong wrong wrong wrong, he is ignorant bordering closely on stupid.

Robert O'Brien said he expects to have trimmed about a third of the ranks at the National Security Council by the end of next month.


Wow shocking Trump want less people to advise him, Translated

I only want yes men on my national security council
His administration is still full of Temps. Aka yes men

Found this interesting

Mike Pence and Mike Pompeo, who urged Trump to kill Qassem Soleimani, are ardent proponents of Christian Zionism.

Jim supporting discrimination in not supporting religious freedoms , only far right Republicans see these as such

I fear we are very close to or have crossed the event horizon.

When things seem like they cannot possibly get more weird - they do.

Hey Kev - still thinking we should get a few people an a lakefront compound down NC?

The Rye Rebellion?

Nothing wrong with that.
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You said you havent seen any democrats blame Trumo for the plane crash.

TDF showed you a link where an elected democrats blamed Tum for the plane crash.

And you cannot just say, "you know what, I was wrong and you are right." Liberals can't do that, they can never, ever made to be wrong. It's something.

You have shown be to be absolutey wrong a few times on this board. It happens. No one is right every single time. WHat are you afraid would happpen, if you simply admitted you made a mistake?

You're Still Wrong

Wrong wrong wrong
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You proved him wrong, with irrefutable fact. You showed that there is literally a 0% chance that he was correct. And hell will freezize over before he admoits it, because he still be;ieves that no democrats are blaming Trump.

As a group, liberals are not capable of admitting they were wrong. They just can't do it. He's probably on another political forum right now, asserting that ne demovcrat anywhere blames Trump for the crash.

I fear we are very close to or have crossed the event horizon.

When things seem like they cannot possibly get more weird - they do.

Hey Kev - still thinking we should get a few people an a lakefront compound down NC?

The Rye Rebellion?

I’m in. I’ll bring the fixins for a still
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You proved him wrong, with irrefutable fact. You showed that there is literally a 0% chance that he was correct. And hell will freezize over before he admoits it, because he still be;ieves that no democrats are blaming Trump.

As a group, liberals are not capable of admitting they were wrong. They just can't do it. He's probably on another political forum right now, asserting that ne demovcrat anywhere blames Trump for the crash.

And of course, his only comeback is that I have no sympathy for the victims families.

Typical
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Spence is absolutely correct,according to Russian officials.
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And of course, his only comeback is that I have no sympathy for the victims families.

Typical
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obviously, unless you are willing to blame trump, you have no sympathy for the victims of the jet crash, you heartless ghoul.
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I fear we are very close to or have crossed the event horizon.



We have jumped the shark for sure.

You proved him wrong, with irrefutable fact. You showed that there is literally a 0% chance that he was correct. And hell will freezize over before he admoits it, because he still be;ieves that no democrats are blaming Trump.

As a group, liberals are not capable of admitting they were wrong. They just can't do it. He's probably on another political forum right now, asserting that ne demovcrat anywhere blames Trump for the crash.
His link backed up my statement. Even the PM of Canada said the same thing. Everything isn’t so black and white Jim.
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Even the PM of Canada said the same thing. Everything isn’t so black and white Jim.
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"Even the PM of Canada said the same thing"

You're relying on Blackface now?

"Everything isn’t so black and white Jim"

I never said "everything" is black and white. But here are two facts which are black and white.

(1) TDF proved you wrong.

(2) You couldn't man up and admit it, for the same reason you couldn't post here after the 2016 election. Your ego is too delicate.

Yawn
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Your ego is too delicate.



he's one of the more fragile snowflakes around here:hihi:

His link backed up my statement.
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No it didn’t.

It proved your statement was......wait for it......WRONG!
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Yawn
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chuckle.
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No it didn’t.

It proved your statement was......wait for it......WRONG!
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Let’s work on reading comprehension for 2020
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I haven't seen any Dems laying the blame directly on Trump,

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/jackie-speier-ukraine-plane-crash-trump_n_5e184e99c5b6da971d13f559

“If what is being projected is true, this is yet another example of collateral damage from the actions that have been taken in a provocative way by the president of the United States,” Speier said.
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Let’s work on reading comprehension for 2020
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Let's work on accepting our mistakes and becoming a better person in 20/20


Rep. Jackie Speier Lays Blame For Iran Passenger Jet Downing On Donald Trump

Rep. Jackie Speier (D-Calif.) on Thursday suggested President Donald Trump was in part to blame for Iran’s suspected mistaken downing of a Ukraine International Airlines passenger plane during hostilities with the U.S.

Speier, who sits on the House Intelligence Committee, told CNN’s Wolf Blitzer she’d been briefed on the crash, which killed all 176 aboard, but was “not at liberty to say” whether Iran mistakenly believed the aircraft was a U.S. military plane. The Boeing jet crashed soon after taking off from Tehran’s airport.

“If what is being projected is true, this is yet another example of collateral damage from the actions that have been taken in a provocative way by the president of the United States(That's Trump, in case you missed it),” Speier (see the big "D" next to her name, that means democrat) said.

She also lambasted Trump’s “continued saber-rattling,” called for the situation with Iran to be “de-escalated” and for Trump to return to the negotiating table.

Tensions flared last week following the U.S. assassination of top Iranian Gen. Qassem Soleimani. Iran responded with missile strikes on two Iraqi bases housing U.S. soldiers. No casualties were reported.

Hours later, the passenger jet crashed. U.S., Canadian and British officials say they have intelligence that Iranian missiles, probably fired by mistake, brought down the airliner.

“Iran has been a bad actor. Soleimani was a bad actor,” Speier acknowledged.

“But there are many people in that region and around the world who are bad actors,” she said. “We have to find a way to live together and attempt to move towards peace.”

That’s not laying direct blame, it’s an observation that without Trump’s significant escalation the wheels wouldn’t have been in motion. It in no way exonerates Iran.

Keep digging.
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every time I think the leftists have reached peak stupid...they soar to new heights

spence, what about the Wright Brothers, they're the ones who invented the airplane, are you and your fellow snowflakes going to let them off the hook?

Maybe they were democrats, because if they were republicans, you’d be throwing them under the bus too.

You’re humiliating yourself and getting bitch slapped even by TDF, one of the most easygoing and non partisan people here.
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every time I think the leftists have reached peak stupid...they soar to new heights

why do you think their last legions of support are Hollywood and academia?
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“But there are many people in that region and around the world who are bad actors,” she said. “We have to find a way to live together and attempt to move towards peace.”

My god, what an idea! How come
no one has ever tried that before with these people?!

We did move towards peace. You can’t achieve peace when terrorists and mass murderers are roaming free, can you?

I also see there are Iranians in the streets, protesting the incompetence of leadership for shooting down the jet. Another political victory. May God be with those poor people.


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You’re humiliating yourself and getting bitch slapped even by TDF, one of the most easygoing and non partisan people here.
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2 for 1 special on reading comprehension classes this year, I’ll send you the coupon :jester:
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2 for 1 special on reading comprehension classes this year, I’ll send you the coupon :jester:
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What are you afraid would
happen, exactly, if you conceded that democrats have been a wee bit quick to blame Trump for some
things? What exactly, are you afraid would happen if you did that?
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At this point I can’t help but feel bad for poor Jeff. I am sure he means well but it is obvious that the saber rattling has impacted his life negatively. He will never accept blame because that is simply how he was raised. It is good to be stubborn and stick to your guns when you are right. Unfortunately,he gets proven wrong consistently and simply can’t come to terms with his failings. Let’s hope he raises his children to be honest so this cycle can broken.
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here Spence, I’ll show you, I’ll start off...

I think it’s wrong for people
on the right to say that Iran bought the missiles it fired at us, with the cash Obama sent them. We don’t know that’s true, and shouldn’t be saying so to score cheap political points.

There. I said it. Nothing bad happened to me!

My side isn’t right every single time, and i have news for you, neither is yours. And that’s ok.

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Keep digging.
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Me??? You’re the one flailing the shovel and digging yourself a hole.

In the end though, you’re still Wrong, not right, mistaken, incorrect, inaccurate, misguided, or whatever other word you’d like to insert that means wrong.

You’re sitting in the back seat of the short bus on your way to common sense school.
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TDF, next he’ll tell you that you took that story out of
context. Because
not only was the democratic congresswoman from California correct, but she was brilliant.
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Or the classic “it’s not what she said, it’s what she didn’t say” :hihi:
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Or the classic “it’s not what she said, it’s what she didn’t say” :hihi:
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now you’re thinking like a liberal, boy-o.
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State Department security officials weren't notified of 'imminent' threats to US embassies

republicans were outraged over bengiza being blamed on a movie , and held that even after the administration's dismissed that reason as incorrect

Yet now Republicans have no issue with the changing narrative coming out of the White House


And have no issues with these comments

“I think the president is making clear that the Democrats have been parroting Iranian talking points and almost taking the side of terrorists and those who were out to kill the Americans,” Stephanie Grisham said on Fox News. “I think the President was making the point that the Democrats seem to hate him so much that they’re willing to be on the side of countries and leadership of countries who want to kill Americans.


Grisham has yet to hold a single briefing since taking the role of President Donald Trump's chief spokeswoman in July, deciding instead to participate in interviews with friendly conservative television outlets like Fox News and One America News Network

And anyone who thinks this is acceptable is a sell out and is all in with Trump 1st country 2nd mentality

Grisham - another POS in this administration. Sounds like Collins.

Is there anyone in this admin. with any decency?

Trump was beaming last night before the national championship game. He seems to have had a solid approval rating from all in attendance. I hope he doesn’t get too carried away with the camera time.
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Grisham - another POS in this administration. Sounds like Collins.

Is there anyone in this admin. with any decency?

Not a single one. What's Ben Carson's flaw, is he a white supremacist?

Isn't it pretty sad when the whole Administration can't be defended and individuals need to be pointed out.
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Grisham - another POS in this administration. Sounds like Collins.

Is there anyone in this admin. with any decency?

Singling out
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Isn't it pretty sad when the whole Administration can't be defended and individuals need to be pointed out.
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not as funny as when you act like
you didn’t ask about individuals.

“Is there anyone in this admin with any decency?”

You want more? How about Pence?


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Pence lied and said Iran had a part in 9/11. He also said Congress couldn't be told about certain things related to the assassination because it would compromise sources as if Congress can't be trusted. This Administration is at Dispicable as they come.
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Pence lied and said Iran had a part in 9/11. He also said Congress couldn't be told about certain things related to the assassination because it would compromise sources as if Congress can't be trusted. This Administration is at Dispicable as they come.
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you might have to get used to them.
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Pence lied and said Iran had a part in 9/11. He also said Congress couldn't be told about certain things related to the assassination because it would compromise sources as if Congress can't be trusted. This Administration is at Dispicable as they come.
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Congress is not decent.

Pence lied

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is Pence at 10,000 lies or 15,000 lies....

inconsolable whining is not interesting commentary......





"Iran “facilitated” the movement of al Qaeda terrorists through its country, including September 11, 2001 attackers and for years was a critical channel for money and arms, according to the 9-11 commission report and internal Osama bin Laden documents.

Experts say the late Qassem Soleimani surely knew of and directed the terror partnership since he has headed since 1998 Iran’s Quds Force. It is a U.S.-designated terrorist organization and an arm of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps which dominates Iranian society. On Jan. 3, Maj. Gen. Soleimani was killed in Baghdad by a U.S. drone missile attack on his car on orders of President Trump.

“There is strong evidence that Iran facilitated the transit of al Qaeda members into and out of Afghanistan before 9/11, and that some of these were future 9/11 hijackers,” said the commission, known formally as The National Commission on Terror Attacks Upon the United States."

you might have to get used to them.
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Maybe - if the economy continues to be good they have a good chance.

Not one of the faithful objected to her statement.. not suprised
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🍔
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Not one of the faithful objected to her statement.. not suprised
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which statement are you referring to, exactly?
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which statement are you referring to, exactly?
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I think the president is making clear that the Democrats have been parroting Iranian talking points and almost taking the side of terrorists and those who were out to kill the Americans,” Stephanie Grisham said on Fox News. “I think the President was making the point that the Democrats seem to hate him so much that they’re willing to be on the side of countries and leadership of countries who want to kill Americans.

I think the president is making clear that the Democrats have been parroting Iranian talking points and almost taking the side of terrorists and those who were out to kill the Americans,” Stephanie Grisham said on Fox News. “I think the President was making the point that the Democrats seem to hate him so much that they’re willing to be on the side of countries and leadership of countries who want to kill Americans.

I have zero problem with that.

AP headline - “Iranian General Killed i’m US Strike, Then Innocents Suffer.”

that was the associated press’ headline.

I completely agree that his opponents hate him so much, that they’re willing to side with anyone who opposes him or can make him look bad. That’s obviously true.
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I have zero problem with that.

AP headline - “Iranian General Killed i’m US Strike, Then Innocents Suffer.”

that was the associated press’ headline.

I completely agree that his opponents hate him so much, that they’re willing to side with anyone who opposes him or can make him look bad. That’s obviously true.
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A news headline has nothing to do with her quote


I am surprised. You would support attacking other Americans as un American for not bending the knee to Trump .. from his press secretary. You do understand if it's from her it's from Trump... calling anyone we who disagrees with him that they love the enemy and are traitors what's next making people disappear or arrested? Is that when it will have gone to far


Sorry doesn't get any more un American than openly supporting such a statement.. From the POTUS

Yet Clinton's use of the word deplorables still bugs you ,

Man over party and party over country

Is disagreeing with somebody now called attacking somebody?
Snowflake land seems to be expanding their territory here.
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A news headline has nothing to do with her quote


I am surprised. You would support attacking other Americans as un American for not bending the knee to Trump .. from his press secretary. You do understand if it's from her it's from Trump... calling anyone we who disagrees with him that they love the enemy and are traitors what's next making people disappear or arrested? Is that when it will have gone to far


Sorry doesn't get any more un American than openly supporting such a statement.. From the POTUS

Yet Clinton's use of the word deplorables still bugs you ,

Man over party and party over country

you lie, and lie, and lie. i don’t expect anyone to support Trump. I expect people who should
know enough, to be FAIR. Fair means using honest criticism when he deserves it, and guess what, praising him when he deserves it. The democrats and the media can’t bring themselves to do it. neither can the liberals here.

Anyway, what would it take, for you to be honest enough to say i expect accurate fairness, not blind support? I don’t expect everyone to be sean hannity.
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