Since it looks like Bolton is gonna spill the beans will the Trumplicans in the Senate willingly accept roles as co-conspirators, enablers or will they fulfill their constitutional duties?

Pegging is a cribbage term, isn’t it?

Pegging is a cribbage term, isn’t it?

hey, if that's your thing, enjoy.

I look forward to seeing justice served.
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Desperate tweet from Floridaman, testimony trumps tweets
The Democrat controlled House never even asked John Bolton to testify. It is up to them, not up to the Senate!
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Thanks for the update,keep us posted.
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:uhuh:

Bolton, Joe Diden, Hunter Biden, Flynn lets get them all on the stage.

TRUMP Bolton's only looking to sell books

He loves them till they leave Him..

And his answers about the troops with the concussion injuries...
heard that they had headaches and a couple of other things, and I can say and report it is not very serious," said President Trump.

Veterans group demands apology from Trump over comments on brain injuries

He'll dismiss that criticism as fake media
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Bolton, Joe Diden, Hunter Biden, Flynn lets get them all on the stage.

agreed 100%.

the snowflakes have no
interest in learning what the Biden’s were doing there.
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A horrible connection if it pans out: On Dec. 30, Trump learned what Bolton’s book would say. Bolton has been pushing war with Iran for years. Iran’s General Soleimani was in US sights for years. Trump suddenly ordered his assassination on Jan. 3, four days after seeing the book.

agreed 100%.

the snowflakes have no
interest in learning what the Biden’s were doing there.
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And the mouthbreathers continue to defame the Biden's with no proof they did anything wrong. How scummy is that?

Some GOP senators reportedly pushing White House for information on who at administration had visibility into the manuscript over the last month. Senators downstream feel blindsided.
Cipollinni's office had the manuscript since December 30th, he claimed before the Senators that there was no direct evidence.

Hope the Senate has hip boots, soon they are going to need a boat.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrTp3JDG9Fs

And the mouthbreathers continue to defame the Biden's with no proof they did anything wrong. How scummy is that?

how do we prove whether or not he did anything wrong, unless we investigate? who’s the mouth breather? there’s obvious evidence if biden’s family benefitting from his position, so let’s look into it. your side has no interest. gee, i wonder why that is?
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how do we prove whether or not he did anything wrong, unless we investigate?
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In the US until there is credible proof someone did something wrong, we generally don't investigate. You claimed nepotism previously and I am not sure you know the meaning of it.

In the US until there is credible proof someone did something wrong, we generally don't investigate.

Or we just lie to the FISA court.
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Or we just lie to the FISA court.
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bam.

paul, you real see nothing fishy that hunter was appointed to that board? it’s a coincidence that of all countries, he gets a cushy job in Ukraine, at a time when his father was the point man on Ukraine policy? You’re saying there’s nothing suspicious there?

i disagree.
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In the US until there is credible proof someone did something wrong, we generally don't investigate. You claimed nepotism previously and I am not sure you know the meaning of it.

not proof. probable cause. proof is what you get during the investigation.
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not proof. probable cause. proof is what you get during the investigation.
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so what is the probable cause ?

bam.

paul, you real see nothing fishy that hunter was appointed to that board? it’s a coincidence that of all countries, he gets a cushy job in Ukraine, at a time when his father was the point man on Ukraine policy? You’re saying there’s nothing suspicious there?

i disagree.
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no, nothing suspicious.

The Ukr. wanted to curry favor w/Joe Biden but there is zero proof either Biden did anything wrong. The rich and politically connected always benefit in those ways (college, jobs, etc) but in the US we don't investigate.

so what is the probable cause ?

ummmm, hunter got a job in, of all countries, the one country that his father was the point man in. of all the countries in the world, Hunter had to get a cushy board job in that country.

Again, if the biden’s didn’t do
anything wrong, Trump looks stupid for asking for an investigation.

Paul, we all have different thresholds for what’s suspicious. this is beyond that threshold for me.

I’m no brain dead zombie. i think trump probably threatened to withhold the aid. i just don’t see it as anywhere near impeachable. biden bragged about withholding aid from the same country unless they did what he wanted. so threatening to withhold aid, by itself, was ok when biden did it.

If the big deal is personal benefit ( helping trump get re elected), obviously they all do things to help them get the elected, and many of those things involve the use of public resources. The obama administration used public resources to deceive the FISA court to get permission to spy on the Trump campaign.

One of you, i think it was you, said that learning the truth about what the burdens did there, benefits no one except Trump. That’s beyond absurd.
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ummmm, hunter got a job in, of all countries, the one country that his father was the point man in. of all the countries in the world, Hunter had to get a cushy board job in that country.that does not prove ANY corruption or anything illegal.

Again, if the biden’s didn’t do
anything wrong, Trump looks stupid for asking for an investigation.

Paul, we all have different thresholds for what’s suspicious. this is beyond that threshold for me.

I’m no brain dead zombie. i think trump probably threatened to withhold the aid. i just don’t see it as anywhere near impeachable. biden bragged about withholding aid from the same country unless they did what he wanted. so threatening to withhold aid, by itself, was ok when biden did it.

If the big deal is personal benefit ( helping trump get re elected), obviously they all do things to help them get the elected, and many of those things involve the use of public resources. The obama administration used public resources to deceive the FISA court to get permission to spy on the Trump campaign.

One of you, i think it was you, said that learning the truth about what the burdens did there, benefits no one except Trump. That’s beyond absurd.Never said no such thing and not even sure I know what you mean.
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The reason Trump wanted an investigation - actually not an investigation but "the announcement of an investigation" was bc it would tar the Biden's. He would be touting the announcement and he knows that would hurt the Biden's. By the time it would be over (but since he didn't want an actual investigation - nothing would probably end) Biden would be hurt. Trump knew Biden was his biggest opponent.

This is similar to Benghazi and how McCarthy admitted that the real reason for the prolonged investigation was to hurt H. Clinton politically. How scummy is that, that McCarthy would use dead Americans to score political points.

To think Trump was concerned with any corruption anywhere is laughable.

What does Biden have to do with Trump's impeachment?
Are either Bidens fact witness's?
If there is an actual predicate for the investigation, the FBI will gladly do it.

Meanwhile, Romney says it’s “increasingly likely” more GOP senators vote to call in Bolton and has spoken to other senators about it.

And Floridaman just put out a tweet that likely removes any vestige of executive privilege he had over his conversation with Bolton.
I think he's starting to smell the cell.

The reason Trump wanted an investigation - actually not an investigation but "the announcement of an investigation" was bc it would tar the Biden's. He would be touting the announcement and he knows that would hurt the Biden's. By the time it would be over (but since he didn't want an actual investigation - nothing would probably end) Biden would be hurt. Trump knew Biden was his biggest opponent.

This is similar to Benghazi and how McCarthy admitted that the real reason for the prolonged investigation was to hurt H. Clinton politically. How scummy is that, that McCarthy would use dead Americans to score political points.

To think Trump was concerned with any corruption anywhere is laughable.

i never said i had proof of corruption. i said it’s very, very coincidental. id have no problem investigating that. you guys seem awfully desperate to making sure that doesn’t happen. i’m in the fortunate position of being able to accept the truth, regardless of what it is.
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What does Biden have to do with Trump's impeachment?
Are either Bidens fact witness's?
If there is an actual predicate for the investigation, the FBI will gladly do it.

Meanwhile, Romney says it’s “increasingly likely” more GOP senators vote to call in Bolton and has spoken to other senators about it.

And Floridaman just put out a tweet that likely removes any vestige of executive privilege he had over his conversation with Bolton.
I think he's starting to smell the cell.

i hope they do call in Bolton. If you think i’m terrified of the truth coming out regarding trump, think again.

the biden’s actions only get to the validity of trump asking for an investigation. and that there is benefit to everyone, not just Trump, to finding out what the Biden’s were doing there.
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The charge against Floridaman is not that he wanted an actual investigation of corruption in Ukraine, but that he did not care if there was an investigation at all. As all of the evidence in the record shows, what Floridaman asked for was the announcement of an investigation, and Floridaman had no interest in combating corruption of any kind.

The argument for impeachment and removal is that Floridaman engaged in the sort of conduct that the founders identified as justifying including impeachment in the Constitution: Using the nation's foreign policy as a tool for personal benefit, and thereby betraying the public trust, aka abuse of power.

The announcement of an investigation into Burisma and the Bidens would benefit Floridaman's personal political ambitions, yet there is no plausible argument that the mere announcement of an investigation could or would do anything to advance any legitimate anti-corruption agenda.

If there is evidence that Floridaman was actually seeking a genuine investigation, and not merely an announcement, where is it?
Those who might be able to back up that claim, Ambassador John Bolton or OMB Director Mick Mulvaney, have not been allowed to testify, and Floridaman has refused to release documents or other materials that might support this characterization of events.

Never said no such thing and not even sure I know what you mean.

Trump's actions benefit him personally and only him.
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Sound familiar?

The "actions" we were discussing, was getting to the bottom of what the Bidens were doing in Ukraine. You said =that getting to the bottom of it, benefitted no one but Trump.

i never said i had proof of corruption. i said it’s very, very coincidental. id have no problem investigating that. you guys seem awfully desperate to making sure that doesn’t happen. i’m in the fortunate position of being able to accept the truth, regardless of what it is.
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so "coincidence" is now reason enough for the Pres. of the US to want an investigation?

I'm not desperate. I just think it is scummy to want an investigation based on "coincidence".

so "coincidence" is now reason enough for the Pres. of the US to want an investigation?

I'm not desperate. I just think it is scummy to want an investigation based on "coincidence".

i didn’t say i think it’s a coincidence. i said i think it’s obviously fishy and extremely indicative of corrupt cronyism.

I said that liberals claim it was a coincidence.

a harmless coincidence is one thing. that’s probably not what this is.
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Sound familiar?

The "actions" we were discussing, was getting to the bottom of what the Bidens were doing in Ukraine. You said =that getting to the bottom of it, benefitted no one but Trump.

Miss read the original quote and that is why I said i'm not sure what you mean.

Yes, It only benefits Trump.

They weren't going anything in Ukr. other than H. Biden working for a company there. To imply there was something nefarious going on w/o any evidence is wrong.

i didn’t say i think it’s a coincidence. i said i think it’s obviously fishy and extremely indicative of corrupt cronyism.

I said that liberals claim it was a coincidence.

a harmless coincidence is one thing. that’s probably not what this is.
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There is no proof anything fishy went on.

Miss read the original quote and that is why I said i'm not sure what you mean.

Yes, It only benefits Trump.

They weren't going anything in Ukr. other than H. Biden working for a company there. To imply there was something nefarious going on w/o any evidence is wrong.

the truth only benefits trump. if you say so...

how could you possibly know that they didn’t do anything wrong?
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the truth only benefits trump. if you say so...

how could you possibly know that they didn’t do anything wrong?
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How do you know that they did? You just don't do an investigation on a feeling that something is wrong or a coincidence.

How do you know that they did? You just don't do an investigation on a feeling that something is wrong or a coincidence.

you are tedious...but I still love you

Joe Biden lost his wife and daughter in a car crash shortly after being elected to the Senate, he lost one of his two remaining children to cancer.
Did he push some for his remaining child, I assume he did, I would also.

But you still have no predicate for the investigation of either of the Bidens.
Being on a board is not an indictable crime or even worthy of investigation, you might wonder what expertise Nikki Haley brings to Boeing if you think it is.

And if you have concerns about emoluments and nepotism you probably should look closely at the current occupant of the White House.

How do you know that they did? You just don't do an investigation on a feeling that something is wrong or a coincidence.

my god, man, i keep
saying i don’t know, which is why i’d like to find out. you find out by investigating.
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my god, man, i keep
saying i don’t know, which is why i’d like to find out. you find out by investigating.
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The point is there is no proof at all so you shouldn't as the Pres. of the US tell a foreign country that you want them to announce an investigation into something there is no proof.

My God - what don't you understand about that?

The point is there is no proof at all so you shouldn't as the Pres. of the US tell a foreign country that you want them to announce an investigation into something there is no proof.

My God - what don't you understand about that?

most investigations are begun without proof. they’re begun with probable cause ( or
in the case of Carter Page, fabricated probable cause).

Paul, you’re saying you think it’s likely that Hunter would
have gotten that Ukrainian energy job, even if his dad wasn’t the VP and point man on Ukraine for Obama? That’s what this boils down to. is it reasonable to
assume that Hunters getting that job, had nothing to do with who his father was? I say no, it’s not reasonable. I presume
you say yes, it is reasonable, no reason to assume
anything fishy took place?

thank god we live in a country where we can disagree.

you can have the last word, this has descended into an absurd Abbott and Costello routine.

Trump ain’t getting removed.
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most investigations are begun without proof. they’re begun with probable cause ( or
in the case of Carter Page, fabricated probable cause).

Paul, you’re saying you think it’s likely that Hunter would
have gotten that Ukrainian energy job, even if his dad wasn’t the VP and point man on Ukraine for Obama? I never said that. He got the job BC his father was VP. That is not a crime.That’s what this boils down to. is it reasonable to
assume that Hunters getting that job, had nothing to do with who his father was? I say no, it’s not reasonable. I presume
you say yes, it is reasonable, no reason to assume
anything fishy took place? Yes, it is. The children of the rich and famous benefit all the time bc of their family.

thank god we live in a country where we can disagree.

you can have the last word, this has descended into an absurd Abbott and Costello routine.

Trump ain’t getting removed.
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Thanks for the last word and I think the Repub. will refuse to call any witnesses and even if they did call witnesses who confirm that Trump withheld $ bc he was trying to have the Ukr. govern. state they were investigating the Bidens, repeatedly lied about, the Repubs. will not remove Trump.

here is the latest conspiracy form thoses seeking the truth....

Source: Alexander Vindman’s Brother, Yevgeny, Clears Publications by NSC Officials

so he leaked Boltons Book

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/01/26/source-alexander-vindmans-brother-yevgeny-clears-publications-by-nsc-officials/

and here are some of the most popular comments

both should be arrested as double agents of Russia. 251 likes (PS their not russian LOL)

I have been telling you guys for a long time, the left is playing for keeps. They mean to enslave us or genocide us. Nothing else.I f you can identify antifa cells, leftists in your area, john browns or any of those folks. Be ready to react when the bugaloo happens.

FYI bugaloo is the new code word for Civil war

or I still believe Trump will achieve all this in his second term. We must get control of the House. If the indictments do not begin and if these traitors and bastards get away with their crimes there will be hell to pay.


For everyone defending Trump non stop. ^^^^^ These are the people your to standing next too. and the ideas they embrace .. even if you think your not ...

Senior level White House sources tell ABC the president’s legal team is preparing for the possibility of witnesses in the impeachment trial. Sources tell that the legal team is preparing aggressive, drawn out legal fight to block testimony of potential witnesses.

Any attempt by the White House to silence or censor John Bolton by going to a federal court would run into the quadruple buzz saw of the Senate’s “sole” power to try impeachments, the First Amendment, the Speech and Debate Clause, and political reality.

Search the transcript of Saturday’s impeachment trial, as President Trump’s lawyers began their opening arguments, and you’ll see there’s a name nowhere to be found: John Bolton, the former national security adviser.

The president’s lawyers made no mention of him. And now there’s no need to speculate why. Because the news about what’s in Bolton’s forthcoming book is out — and it shows that his testimony would be devastating to Trump.

The New York Times reported Sunday night that Bolton submitted his manuscript to the White House for pre-publication review four weeks ago. Which means, in all likelihood, that at least some members of the president’s defense team have known exactly what Bolton would say if called to the stand.

here is the latest conspiracy form thoses seeking the truth....

Source: Alexander Vindman’s Brother, Yevgeny, Clears Publications by NSC Officials

so he leaked Boltons Book

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/01/26/source-alexander-vindmans-brother-yevgeny-clears-publications-by-nsc-officials/

and here are some of the most popular comments

both should be arrested as double agents of Russia. 251 likes (PS their not russian LOL)

I have been telling you guys for a long time, the left is playing for keeps. They mean to enslave us or genocide us. Nothing else.I f you can identify antifa cells, leftists in your area, john browns or any of those folks. Be ready to react when the bugaloo happens.

FYI bugaloo is the new code word for Civil war

or I still believe Trump will achieve all this in his second term. We must get control of the House. If the indictments do not begin and if these traitors and bastards get away with their crimes there will be hell to pay.


For everyone defending Trump non stop. ^^^^^ These are the people your to standing next too. and the ideas they embrace .. even if you think your not ...

so there aren’t any homicidal maniacs planning to vote the same way as you?

gimme a break Wayne. That’s the best you got? There are tens of millions of people
who voted for trump, some are crazy, some are very bad. That says nothing about anyone else.

Pretty desperate if you’re playing that card.
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so there aren’t any homicidal maniacs planning to vote the same way as you?

gimme a break Wayne. That’s the best you got? There are tens of millions of people
who voted for trump, some are crazy, some are very bad. That says nothing about anyone else.

Pretty desperate if you’re playing that card.
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It’s all they have left. Meanwhile,the hoax is unraveling.
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Isn’t it interesting how Floridaman’s lawyers are desperately trying to convince us that Floridaman was obsessed with corruption in Ukraine? Yet, Floridaman has never ONCE expressed even a passing interest in corruption in Russia. Or anywhere else for that matter

Putin's puppet

GOP sources are telling us after the bolton manuscript it's now "very likely Trump could be the first president in history to be removed from office."

so there aren’t any homicidal maniacs planning to vote the same way as you?

gimme a break Wayne. That’s the best you got? There are tens of millions of people
who voted for trump, some are crazy, some are very bad. That says nothing about anyone else.

Pretty desperate if you’re playing that card.
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when you can show me likewise comments from the left , than you might have an argument , I am sorry that the right left you and other conservatives behind .. this is the new reality ..

I am just stating the obvious

GOP sources are telling us after the bolton manuscript it's now "very likely Trump could be the first president in history to be removed from office."

but pete he gave them Javelin anti weapons ... and obama didn't isnt that enough :cheers2:

Isn’t it interesting how Floridaman’s lawyers are desperately trying to convince us that Floridaman was obsessed with corruption in Ukraine? Yet, Floridaman has never ONCE expressed even a passing interest in corruption in Russia.

Putin's puppet

How much aid do we give Russia?
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NEW YORK TIMES: "Bolton said after Trump's call with Zelensky, Bolton raised with Barr his concerns about Giuliani—who was pursuing a shadow Ukraine policy encouraged by Trump—and told Barr Trump mentioned him on the Zelensky call. Barr denies learning of the call from Bolton."

If that is true, then Barr is not merely conflicted (he was directly referenced in the phone call to Zelensky), he is a co-conspirator who actively tried to obstruct Congress and justice by burying the WB complaint and preventing a criminal investigation.

GOP sources are telling us after the bolton manuscript it's now "very likely Trump could be the first president in history to be removed from office."

How much do you want to bet?

Yet again, NOW we have the smoking gun. We didn't have it before, but NOW we do...Pete, how many times do you get fooled by these people, before you'll stop listening to them. I actually think Bolton should testify. For the same exact reason the Bidens should testify...it's good that we know what these people are doing in our names.

How much aid do we give Russia?
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Ukraine in fiscal 2018 ranked 25th in the amount of U.S. aid it received — economic, military and other. Of the 24 countries who received more aid, 13 ranked as more corrupt than Ukraine on Transparency International’s Corruption Perceptions Index.

when you can show me likewise comments from the left , than you might have an argument , I am sorry that the right left you and other conservatives behind .. this is the new reality ..

I am just stating the obvious

"when you can show me likewise comments from the left , than you might have an argument "

ANTIFA beats the sh*t out of senior citizens. Now, because they vote the same way you do, what do their actions say about you? The answer, of course, is nothing. Absolutely nothing.

"The right" isn't defined by the lunatic fringe, any more than the left is defined by cop killers.

Harvey Weinstein was a very, very prominent democrat. What do his actions say about you, since you vote the same exact way he does?

How many examples do you want? Anthony Weiner, the democrat governor of VA in blackface, etc...We could both go all day. But it would be stupid.

GOP Sen. Ron Johnson: ‘My guess’ is John Bolton is telling truth about Trump and Ukraine

GOP Sen. Ron Johnson: ‘My guess’ is John Bolton is telling truth about Trump and Ukraine

Then I guess it's all over...just like it was 15 other times since he took office.

GOP Sen. Ron Johnson: ‘My guess’ is John Bolton is telling truth about Trump and Ukraine

Senator Johnson also said (you left this part out, I'm sure that was an accident on your part), "“Having been involved, having spoken with John Bolton myself on this issue, I don't know what additional information he might have. I don't think it'd be particularly revealing.”

GOP sources are telling us after the bolton manuscript it's now "very likely Trump could be the first president in history to be removed from office."

OK, Pete.

The defense team’s strategy rests on pretending that news doesn’t exist.

Floridaman's defense team is confused—the president is not permitted by law or constitution to issue a "blanket" edict of "absolute immunity" without any assertion of execution privilege in response to the House engaging in the constitutionally provided-for process of impeachment.

More than this, Floridaman is so far from just "asserting his rights" as president that he's actually arguing for an END to the Impeachment Clause, an END to Congressional oversight, and an END to checks and balances. It's a lawless argument that has nothing to do with rights.

Ukraine in fiscal 2018 ranked 25th in the amount of U.S. aid it received — economic, military and other. Of the 24 countries who received more aid, 13 ranked as more corrupt than Ukraine on Transparency International’s Corruption Perceptions Index.
You didn’t answer my question.
You know,the one that exposed your gibberish.🤡🤡🤡
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I really like this guy. His delivery is a great mixture of seriousness with punchy combative humor. And he has good political insight. the first half of this video pertains to this thread:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Iji7otwIaI

nobody likes you anymore Captain Mustache :rotflmao::rotflmao:

A more clinical, lawyerly, devastating destruction of the House's first article of impeachment, there's this presentation by Mike Purpura of the Presidents legal team at the Senate trial:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MaNfHg2N-gM

Amusing you feel there is an audience on this forum who you potentially can sway with that, it’s like Pete in his zest thinking he will sway anyone on the right to view a Trumps action as impeachable. I’ve made up my mind after seeing all the evidence, listening to the testimonies and seeing even more supporting evidence since, so I don’t even bother to click your link. If there are witnesses it only strengthens the impeachment effort, but I’m also certain it will strengthen your and others defense, reality isn’t always fun, just or right.

Amusing you feel there is an audience on this forum who you potentially can sway with that, it’s like Pete in his zest thinking he will sway anyone on the right to view a Trumps action as impeachable. I’ve made up my mind after seeing all the evidence, listening to the testimonies and seeing even more supporting evidence since, so I don’t even bother to click your link. If there are witnesses it only strengthens the impeachment effort, but I’m also certain it will strengthen your and others defense, reality isn’t always fun, just or right.

I have no illusions that you or Pete or wdmso or Spence will be swayed by anything I say or any video or article I post. I don't post anything for you, even if I respond to any post by you. I do it to give others who just tune in and rarely, if ever, join the conversation in order to give them a perspective other than yours.

I have no illusions that you or Pete or wdmso or Spence will be swayed by anything I say or any video or article I post. I don't post anything for you, even if I respond to any post by you. I do it to give others who just tune in and rarely, if ever, join the conversation in order to give them a perspective other than yours.

The trial has started 3 days into the Trial the murder weapon has been found and ballistics match the weapon ...

Republicans think that because it wasnt found by the (House) prior to the Senate its not relevant :rotflmao:

But somehow hunter Biden is:btu:

Again I have no illusions the Senate will not remove him... But I guess the American people and the historical record should be denied this new information from a 1st hand witness,,

And republicans beating the Drum of let the voters decide and overturning an election BS , Yet they dont want to present anything that may damage the POTUS how upstanding putting Trump before the Voters .. :btu:

btu:

Again I have no illusions the Senate will not remove him... :btu:

Please explain this gold.
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Please explain this gold.
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I've been saying this from day one. doesn't mean I think he had a perfect call and did nothing wrong ..

And republicans beating the Drum of let the voters decide and overturning an election BS , Yet they dont want to present anything that may damage the POTUS how upstanding putting Trump before the Voters .. :btu:

I'd like to see Bolton testify, no reason not to. The more facts we have, the better.

WDMSO, would you be OK with allowing Bolton to testify, if in return, we asked the Bidens to testify?

You're acting as if only Republicans want to hide the facts. The truth is, there are some Republican senators (Romney, Collins) who are open to the idea of letting Bolton testify. I haven't heard one single democrat say that we should also get to the bottom of what the Biden's were doing.

So which side wants the facts, and which side is covering up? It's not as one-sided as you are trying to portray it to be. Not even close.

Your side is interested in presenting all facts which will hurt Trump. They're not interested in much else.

Wayne, isn't it best if we know what Bolton has to say, AND we also know if Hunter used daddy's connections to get a cushy job? If not, just come out and say that you're only interested in facts that fit your agenda.

Hunter is a weirdo and a complete scumbag (what kind of a man is a millionaire, but only pays child support because a judge orders him to?). I'd like to know what he and daddy were doing there. Just as I'd like to know what Bolton has to say.

I've been saying this from day one. doesn't mean I think he had a perfect call and did nothing wrong ..

What he meant (I'm pretty sure), was that what you posted, implies that you are certain they will remove him.

I'd like to see Bolton testify, no reason not to. The more facts we have, the better.

WDMSO, would you be OK with allowing Bolton to testify, if in return, we asked the Bidens to testify?

You're acting as if only Republicans want to hide the facts. The truth is, there are some Republican senators (Romney, Collins) who are open to the idea of letting Bolton testify. I haven't heard one single democrat say that we should also get to the bottom of what the Biden's were doing.

So which side wants the facts, and which side is covering up? It's not as one-sided as you are trying to portray it to be. Not even close.

Your side is interested in presenting all facts which will hurt Trump. They're not interested in much else.

Wayne, isn't it best if we know what Bolton has to say, AND we also know if Hunter used daddy's connections to get a cushy job? If not, just come out and say that you're only interested in facts that fit your agenda.

Hunter is a weirdo and a complete scumbag (what kind of a man is a millionaire, but only pays child support because a judge orders him to?). I'd like to know what he and daddy were doing there. Just as I'd like to know what Bolton has to say.


Again you sound all reasonable then off the rails you go with the Bidens crap.. Hell , why not call capt crunch to testify

Ok here is your chance Tell us how Having biden testify Has any relevance to the 2 articles of impeachment currently being argued in the Senate in the president's defense

Again you sound all reasonable then off the rails you go with the Bidens crap.. Hell , why not call capt crunch to testify he as much 1st hand relevance to Trumps action in Ukraine as Biden does..

Supposedly, the Bidens' action in Ukraine was the main reason for the Trump actions that led to impeachment. If that is true, the Bidens would certainly have 1st hand relevance to Trump's action.

Again you sound all reasonable then off the rails you go with the Bidens crap.. Hell , why not call capt crunch to testify

Ok here is your chance Tell us how Having biden testify Has any relevance to the 2 articles of impeachment currently being argued in the Senate in the president's defense

having biden testify doesn’t directly support or refute the articles of
impeachment. so let’s have a separate investigation into Biden if you want it disconnected from impeachment.

My point is this...Donald Trump
is running for president, therefore i think it’s vital that the voters have all the information they can get, when deciding if they’re going to vote for him. If Bolton’s testimony sheds new light, we are better off having those facts. I assume
you agree.

Here’s where we part ways. Using the same exact logic I articulated above, were similarly better off knowing what, if anything, Joe Biden did in Ukraine.

I think it’s good to know the truth, regardless of party.

Obviously, you’re only interested in the truth that helps democrats.

Nothing you have ever posted, disputes that last sentence of mine. Try making that wrong. Or at least explain to us all, why seeking truth is only a noble undertaking, when it helps democrats or hurts republicans? Obviously that’s what you believe, so just tell us why?
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Supposedly, the Bidens' action in Ukraine was the main reason for the Trump actions that led to impeachment. If that is true, the Bidens would certainly have 1st hand relevance to Trump's action.

Supposedly being the key word, that crap cover story has already been blown up by testimony and now Bolton is about to force the senate into exactly what Moscow Mitch wanted so desperately to avoid; first hand witnesses. Kelly coming out in support of Bolton is going to further raise the stakes, might be Mitch is thinking gee how would a Pence presidency be.

A more clinical, lawyerly, devastating destruction of the House's first article of impeachment, there's this presentation by Mike Purpura of the Presidents legal team at the Senate trial:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MaNfHg2N-gM

Shorter Purpura: "The House Managers are trying to deceive the Senate by hiding critical evidence. We will now provide that evidence to you, by relying solely on the the record that the House Managers themselves gave you."

What he meant (I'm pretty sure), was that what you posted, implies that you are certain they will remove him.

You won't find any post from me suggesting certainty of his removal

having biden testify doesn’t directly support or refute the articles of
impeachment. so let’s have a separate investigation into Biden if you want it disconnected from impeachment.

My point is this...Donald Trump
is running for president, therefore i think it’s vital that the voters have all the information they can get, when deciding if they’re going to vote for him. If Bolton’s testimony sheds new light, we are better off having those facts. I assume
you agree.

Here’s where we part ways. Using the same exact logic I articulated above, were similarly better off knowing what, if anything, Joe Biden did in Ukraine.

I think it’s good to know the truth, regardless of party.

Obviously, you’re only interested in the truth that helps democrats.

Nothing you have ever posted, disputes that last sentence of mine. Try making that wrong. Or at least explain to us all, why seeking truth is only a noble undertaking, when it helps democrats or hurts republicans? Obviously that’s what you believe, so just tell us why?
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What Truths hurt Democrats , what truths benefit Trump haven't heard any

I have no issues with a separate Biden investigation, based on evidence or probable cause , not just let's go fishing

You do know Bengiza was to discredit Clinton , prior to the election or did you miss that

Another GOP congressman says Benghazi panel meant to hurt Clinton

Shorter Purpura: "The House Managers are trying to deceive the Senate by hiding critical evidence. We will now provide that evidence to you, by relying solely on the the record that the House Managers themselves gave you."

And he precisely, surgically, did so.

Supposedly being the key word, that crap cover story has already been blown up by testimony and now Bolton is about to force the senate into exactly what Moscow Mitch wanted so desperately to avoid; first hand witnesses. Kelly coming out in support of Bolton is going to further raise the stakes, might be Mitch is thinking gee how would a Pence presidency be.

The supposition is that Trump only wanted something that would benefit him in the 2020 election.

You won't find any post from me suggesting certainty of his removal

Not intentionally. But when you typed this:

I have no illusions the Senate will not remove him

that means you think they will remove him. Too many negatives in there...he was teasing you, that's all...

The House has filed a new letter in court showing that Trump's impeachment team again contradicted the administration's legal position -- this time in the Mueller grand jury case.

It's the second time in a week: Last week, the House filed a similar letter indicating that Trump's impeachment team contradicted the president's position in the MCGAHN case.

What Truths hurt Democrats , what truths benefit Trump haven't heard any



That says it better than I ever, ever could. You don't operate in the real world, you exist in a hyper positive world, where literally,

liberal=good
conservative=bad

always, no exceptions.

Senate Majority Whip John Thune claims the Senate shouldn’t hear from Bolton, arguing it could create an “endless cycle” when “facts are all out there.”

“I don’t think that anything that he’s going to say changes the fact..I think people kind of know what the fact pattern is.”

Fascinating to watch this unfold in real time: The national security adviser says the president did exactly what the impeachment accuses him of doing. And Republican leaders on Capitol Hill say we don’t even want to hear it.

1) Floridaman's defense is that no one who has testified heard him link military aid to investigations

2) Floridaman won't allow testimony from the very people who discussed this matter directly with him

3) Thus, not hearing from them is a coverup by definition.

Drip...drip.....drip

President Trump's former chief of staff John Kelly says he believes John Bolton and believes witnesses should be heard from in the impeachment proceedings.

His defense is going with Trump is a victim from the special counsel to the steel document and how wrong to remove him in an election year as if it has any relevance. Put yourself in his shoes.. they have yet once addressed what he actually did or acuused to do ,,, there calling it policy differences and going with Stranger danger .. and now Trump asking for a favor against the Bidens was a free speech moment ,, and because the investigation never happened and aid was provided , and the victims Ukraine had no issues or to afraid to say so its ok

And all the witness just didn't like Trumps policy :btu:

Dershowitz says charges against Trump aren’t impeachable. But most legal scholars disagree, including a law professor called by Republicans in the House investigation to argue against impeaching Trump.

Trump’s attorney general, William Barr, wrote in a June 2018 memo before he was nominated for the Cabinet post that Congress could impeach presidents who abused their power.

Drip...drip.....drip

President Trump's former chief of staff John Kelly says he believes John Bolton and believes witnesses should be heard from in the impeachment proceedings.

he goes beyond that.

Asked about the passages in Bolton’s book — which has yet to be released — that appear to reinforce the impeachment allegations, Kelly said Monday evening that “John’s an honest guy. He’s a man of integrity and great character, so we’ll see what happens"

Not intentionally. But when you typed this:

I have no illusions the Senate will not remove him

that means you think they will remove him. Too many negatives in there...he was teasing you, that's all...

Typical Trumplican, mocking somebody with a disability (grammar?) :hee:
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Typical Trumplican, mocking somebody with a disability (grammar?) :hee:
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He also claimed that the Pentagon made a $35 trillion adjustment to their annual budget, so I'm not sure that what he lacks in grammar, he makes up for in arithmetic. But it helps to be weak at math to be a liberal, otherwise you'd know that socialism can't work in a nation of 300 million, especially when sharing a porous border with a third world nation.

Here's some math for Trumplicans, remember to ignore the facts when you listen to Floridaman. Just use his alternate ones.

At Floridaman's campaign launch speech in July 2015, he said that the country would cross the “point of no return” if government debt ever exceeded $24 trillion. Remember this number.

Floridaman said he would eliminate all government debt “over a period of eight years,” and that renegotiated trade deals with China and other nations would be the key to how he would get it done. That's stupid, there’s no reason to expect improved trade relations with China or any other country to lead directly to lower borrowing by the federal government.

Floridaman has greatly increased the government’s borrowing requirements. A tax cut in 2017, another large reduction in revenue as part of the budget agreement last year. He made successive deals on appropriations that substantially increased spending for both defense and non-defense accounts.

These actions have put the federal government in the worst fiscal position it has ever been in during a period of relatively strong economic growth, and no it is not the greatest, blah, blah......

The actual deficits for 2018 and 2019 exceeded CBO’s 2017 forecast by $675 billion, even as growth over those years exceeded what CBO assumed would occur. CBO’s current forecast (which will be updated shortly) shows the cumulative budget deficit over 2018 to 2021 exceeding the forecast from January 2017 by $1.2 trillion.

Floridaman’s record on fiscal and spending issues over the past three years speaks for itself. He and the officials who support him have not implemented a serious plan to trim government spending, reform programs, or make the government more efficient. The government today looks almost exactly like it did three years ago, only it is substantially more expensive. So much for the great businessman.

Here's that number I told you to remember, the government’s gross debt—the measure of cumulative borrowing that candidate Floridaman referenced when he announced his candidacy in 2015—currently exceeds $23 trillion and will be approaching $24 trillion as voters go to the polls later this year.

There's probably a tweet to cure that.

Pete, i immediately concede Trump gets an F on debt.

Now, please tell us why it was OK for obama to put kids in cages, but wrong for trump to do it.

If I said obama was bad for running up the debt but i have Trump a pass, Id be a hypocrite. I’ve said 100 times he’s failing on the debt.

You are the hypocrite, giving Obama a pass for caging kids but bashing Trump for putting kids in the same exact cages that obama used.

It was Nobel Peace Prize- worthy when Obama did it, and a crime against humanity when Trump does it.

No one cared when Obama
did it, and for damn sure no one said “it’s ok at these numbers, but President Obama if you increase the number of
kids you put in cages, then i will oppose you.”

Not one single human being said that. You’re saying it now to justify the naked hypocrisy.

Do you ever get tired of getting bitch slapped around?
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Pete, i immediately concede Trump gets an F on debt.

Now, please tell us why it was OK for obama to put kids in cages, but wrong for trump to do it.

If I said obama was bad for running up the debt but i have Trump a pass, Id be a hypocrite. I’ve said 100 times he’s failing on the debt.

You are the hypocrite, giving Obama a pass for caging kids but bashing Trump for putting kids in the same exact cages that obama used.

It was Nobel Peace Prize- worthy when Obama did it, and a crime against humanity when Trump does it.

No one cared when Obama
did it, and for damn sure no one said “it’s ok at these numbers, but President Obama if you increase the number of
kids you put in cages, then i will oppose you.”

Not one single human being said that. You’re saying it now to justify the naked hypocrisy.

Do you ever get tired of getting bitch slapped around?
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You're in the wrong thread, so tell me did you work hard to be this much of a moron, or are you the product of a combination of enthusiastic inbreeding and a mother who spent her pregnancy huffing paint thinner while servicing her other clients in a truckstop bathroom?

You're in the wrong thread, so tell me did you work hard to be this much of a moron, or are you the product of a combination of enthusiastic inbreeding and a mother who spent her pregnancy huffing paint thinner while servicing her other clients in a truckstop bathroom?

i know i’m on a different thread, but you keep
ignoring the other one, so uncovering more bases.

When i ask you to explain the inconsistency in your view of putting kids in cages, and all you can do is call me a moron, i’ve won.

you just can’t ever admit that a liberal was wrong or a conservative was right. You’re physically incapable of it. And i’m the moron.

So tell us, what’s the maximum number of times you can put kids in cages, before you forfeit your Noble Peace Prize and stand trial
at Nuremberg, anyway?
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You're like a dog with a pull toy, go read the other threads..........

I'm not going to spend the time to put up the documents on the difference between the previous admins and this one.

He'll be gone soon, he's backed up to the sea right now.

"If you lie to the court, there are penalties for that."

Former federal prosecutor Andrew Weissmann explains the possible downsides for the White House if it pursues the claim of executive privilege

You're like a dog with a pull toy, go read the other threads..........

I'm not going to spend the time to put up the documents on the difference between the previous admins and this one.

He'll be gone soon, he's backed up to the sea right now.

"If you lie to the court, there are penalties for that."

Former federal prosecutor Andrew Weissmann explains the possible downsides for the White House if it pursues the claim of executive privilege

i read the other threads. Nowhere did you state what the maximum number of allowable cagings is, before one becomes a
monster.

i’ll just assume
that you don’t have an answer, but you know it’s one more than obama did.
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Pete is acting trapped. I have to admit that it makes me smile.
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i read the other threads. Nowhere did you state what the maximum number of allowable cagings is, before one becomes a
monster.

i’ll just assume
that you don’t have an answer, but you know it’s one more than obama did.
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It’s choosing to take ALL the children from the parents, every single one that’s the problem.
You’ve said before that they deserve it. Shouldn’t have brought their children.
Go chase your tail........
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It’s choosing to take ALL the children from the parents, every single one that’s the problem.
You’ve said before that they deserve it. Shouldn’t have brought their children.
Go chase your tail........
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again, it’s ok to take some, or
most, but not all?

Makes all kinds of sense.

I’m chasing nothing. I’m leading you around by the nose.
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The trial has started 3 days into the Trial the murder weapon has been found and ballistics match the weapon ...

Republicans think that because it wasnt found by the (House) prior to the Senate its not relevant :rotflmao:

But somehow hunter Biden is:btu:

Again I have no illusions the Senate will not remove him... But I guess the American people and the historical record should be denied this new information from a 1st hand witness,,

And republicans beating the Drum of let the voters decide and overturning an election BS , Yet they dont want to present anything that may damage the POTUS how upstanding putting Trump before the Voters .. :btu:

There was no crime. Ukraine received the money . . . before the due date . . . there was no victim . . . there was no quo. Does Bolton's, excerpt dispute that?

The bank robber leaves the bank without money, no crime he can go free, just because you repeat it like the lame arguments his defense put forward, doesn’t make what he did not an impeachable offense.

The bank robber leaves the bank without money, no crime he can go free, just because you repeat it like the lame arguments his defense put forward, doesn’t make what he did not an impeachable offense.

Your silly analogy notwithstanding, Trump did not commit a crime. He did not, as you would have it, bribe anybody. Zelensky denies any attempt to bribe him. There was no victim. Ukraine got the money on time (and more substantial military aid than the previous administration gave Ukraine). That is not a lame argument. it is a fact.

Your silly analogy notwithstanding, Trump did not commit a crime. He did not, as you would have it, bribe anybody. Zelensky denies any attempt to bribe him. There was no victim. Ukraine got the money on time (and more substantial military aid than the previous administration gave Ukraine). That is not a lame argument. it is a fact.

but it’s a fact that doesn’t help liberals. and they can’t process such facts.

Trump is, literally, their North Star. Everything they see and hear is processed through an algorithm that asks the question “how does this make Trump look bad?”. It’s their entire being. WDMSO literally said, there are no facts which make democrats look bad or make republicans look good. Literally, not one single fact. It’s not easy to talk with these people.
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Republican Senator states In An interview he want to read Boltons book transcript

So he can determine if Bolton would be a relevance witness


What an Amazing position to hold

I know crazy to think you would want to hear from a first hand witness, the VERY thing the right has been bitching about since this all started, be careful what you wish for Moscow Mitch.

There was no crime. Ukraine received the money . . . before the due date . . . there was no victim . . . there was no quo. Does Bolton's, excerpt dispute that?

The money was released once they got caught and they knew the scam was up.

I know crazy to think you would want to hear from a first hand witness, the VERY thing the right has been bitching about since this all started, be careful what you wish for Moscow Mitch.

so do you concede that the house voted to impeach, without having a single first hand witness to the alleged crimes?
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The money was released once they got caught and they knew the scam was up.

That is pure speculation.

but it’s a fact that doesn’t help liberals. and they can’t process such facts.

Trump is, literally, their North Star. Everything they see and hear is processed through an algorithm that asks the question “how does this make Trump look bad?”. It’s their entire being. WDMSO literally said, there are no facts which make democrats look bad or make republicans look good. Literally, not one single fact. It’s not easy to talk with these people.
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Again you cant read. (What Truths hurt Democrats , what truths benefit Trump haven't heard any . Was an response to your statement . here it is , Obviously, you’re only interested in the truth that helps democrats. ) But you read it as a statement of evidence that you twist in your head to have a secret meaning . All Outside the topic of the impeachment and Bolton
You do this a lot bring things from a non related threads and try to make them apply

You dwell in the conservative world of conspiracy and innuendo

That is pure speculation.

So many speculations in this case or coincidences I agree :1poke:

That is pure speculation.

No, any reasonable person would recognize that when the Trump admin. saw other people now knew about the holdup and they then unfroze the $ w/in a day or 2 it was bc they got caught. I don't believe they ever gave any explanation for releasing the $.

That is pure speculation.

Easy way to cure what you call "speculation"

Release the documents, everything in government has a paper trail.

Let the witnesses testify, lots of career staff had their hands on this.

Obstruction works, until the light reaches the evidence.

You may like not like John Bolton’s principles, but he’s very principled. He’s also smart. And he just loves a good fight. He's not planning to lose.

Easy way to cure what you call "speculation"

Release the documents, everything in government has a paper trail.

Let the witnesses testify, lots of career staff had their hands on this.

Obstruction works, until the light reaches the evidence.

You may like not like John Bolton’s principles, but he’s very principled. He’s also smart. And he just loves a good fight. He's not planning to lose.

If it requires all of this, then impeachment should not happen without it. You don't impeach to get evidence. You impeach because you have it. And it should not happen because of speculation.

If it requires all of this, then impeachment should not happen without it. You don't impeach to get evidence. You impeach because you have it. And it should not happen because of speculation.
Plenty of evidence, boy the streets would be full of criminals and murders if they all needed to be caught with the bloody knife in the victims house.
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Plenty of evidence, boy the streets would be full of criminals and murders if they all needed to be caught with the bloody knife in the victims house.
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There isn't enough room in our prisons to house all the people that some others speculated committed a crime.

If it requires all of this, then impeachment should not happen without it. You don't impeach to get evidence. You impeach because you have it. And it should not happen because of speculation.

Congressional oversight is the duty of our elected representatives.
They requested the documents.
Floridaman refused to provide any.
Zero

But plenty will come out, most of it has been requested under FOIA and some has already been delivered.
It will all reach the light, a great deal of it prior to election day.

Merry Impeachmas!
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Congressional oversight is the duty of our elected representatives.
They requested the documents.
Floridaman refused to provide any.
Zero

But plenty will come out, most of it has been requested under FOIA and some has already been delivered.
It will all reach the light, a great deal of it prior to election day.

OK. And if that all discovers a real reason for impeachment, then that would be the proper time for it.

No, any reasonable person would recognize that when the Trump admin. saw other people now knew about the holdup and they then unfroze the $ w/in a day or 2 it was bc they got caught. I don't believe they ever gave any explanation for releasing the $.

The holdup was not a secret that needed to be "caught." It was not illegal. Whether you like it or not, or if you believe your version of a "reasonable" person would think it was a crime, that is irrelevant. Whether or not you or your "reasonable" person didn't think there was any reason to delay the money, that is irrelevant. Trump had concerns about corruption. It his state of mind, not yours nor your "reasonable" person's state of mind that matters.

Imposing your speculative narrative on Trumps action is not a valid reason to impeach him.

Rumor has it, that Friday after the vote if it does not call for witnesses, John Bolton will release what would have been his opening statement.

Because revenge is a dish best served cold.

And Bolton is very politically astute.

We will see, at the very least it would make great campaign material against Floridaman and the Trumplicans.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ej_bdLOCF_8

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ej_bdLOCF_8

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If the senate comes up one vote short of calling witnesses, the ads against vulnerable senate Rs write themselves.

“It would have taken only one vote to ensure a fair trial. (Candidate) had a chance to show some courage. (He/she) voted for a cover-up instead.”

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Pete, i immediately concede Trump gets an F on debt.

Now, please tell us why it was OK for obama to put kids in cages, but wrong for trump to do it.

If I said obama was bad for running up the debt but i have Trump a pass, Id be a hypocrite. I’ve said 100 times he’s failing on the debt.

You are the hypocrite, giving Obama a pass for caging kids but bashing Trump for putting kids in the same exact cages that obama used.

It was Nobel Peace Prize- worthy when Obama did it, and a crime against humanity when Trump does it.

No one cared when Obama
did it, and for damn sure no one said “it’s ok at these numbers, but President Obama if you increase the number of
kids you put in cages, then i will oppose you.”

Not one single human being said that. You’re saying it now to justify the naked hypocrisy.

Do you ever get tired of getting bitch slapped around?
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You're in the wrong thread, so tell me did you work hard to be this much of a moron, or are you the product of a combination of enthusiastic inbreeding and a mother who spent her pregnancy huffing paint thinner while servicing her other clients in a truckstop bathroom?

I bumped it for you and you've answered my question

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