Julian Assange's lawyer has just told a British court that Rep. Rohrabacher (R-CA) passed a message to Assange from Agolf Twittler that if Assange agreed to cover up Russian involvement in hacking DNC emails (published by WikiLeaks) that Agolf would pardon him.

Lawyer's don't usually make claims in court they can't prove. Will be interesting to see if there is proof of these serious allegations Rohrabacher was the WH's messenger, offering a pardon in exchange for silence on Russia's hack of our election.

With Agolf, it’s impossible to discount an allegation of criminality that, against anyone else, would seem absurd.

So far just a claim in court by one scoundrel's lawyers, but it would be probably the worst thing that has happened so far if it's borne out--and man is that saying something.

There has been talk previously of both Roger Stone and former Rep. Dana Rohrabacher trying to broker a pardon for Assange.

This description seems to match reported effort by Rohrabacher: https://wsj.com/articles/gop-congressman-sought-trump-deal-on-wikileaks-russia-1505509918?tesla=y

And guess who's on the "don't know him" list now?

Stephanie Grisham on Assange: “The President barely knows Dana Rohrabacher other than he’s an ex-congressman. He’s never spoken to him on this subject or almost any subject. It is a complete fabrication and a total lie. This is probably another never ending hoax and total lie from the DNC"

There's always a tweet for that.........

Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
Dana Rohrabacher has been a great Congressman for his District and for the people of Cal. He works hard and is respected by all - he produces! Dems are desperate to replace Dana by spending vast sums to elect a super liberal who is weak on Crime and bad for our Military & Vets!
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So Trump didn't lie and your drip drip is just another dry faucet.

From Yahoo News Michaeil Isikoff today:

A lawyer for Assange in London on Wednesday cited the pardon offer from Rohrabacher during a court hearing on the U.S. government’s request to extradite the WikiLeaks founder.

White House Press Secretary Stephanie Grisham immediately denounced the claim about a pardon discussion with Assange as a “complete fabrication” and that the president “barely knows Dana Rohrabacher” and has “never spoken to him on this subject or almost any subject.”

Rohrabacher said not only did talk of a Trump pardon take place during his meeting, but he followed up by calling then-White House Chief of Staff John Kelly to discuss the proposal. He did not, however, ever speak to Trump about it, he said.

“I spoke to Julian Assange and told him if he would provide evidence about who gave WikiLeaks the emails I would petition the president to give him a pardon,” Rohrabacher said. “He knew I could get to the president.”

When he spoke to Kelly, the then-chief of staff was “courteous” but made no commitment that he would even raise the matter directly with the president. “He knew this had to be handled with care,” Rohrabacher said, and that it could be spun by the news media in ways that would be “harmful” to the president. In fact, Rohrabacher said he never heard anything further from Kelly about the matter nor did he ever discuss the subject directly with Trump.

Rohrabacher also emphasized in the interview that he only wanted “truthful” information from Assange and never suggested that he “lie.”

“There’s two people I think Putin pays: Rohrabacher and Trump,”
House Majority Leader Kevin McCarthy said on a recording of Republican leaders made on June 15, 2016.

Some of the lawmakers on the tape laughed at McCarthy’s comment.

Then McCarthy quickly added: “Swear to God.”

It’s amazing how many people Trump claims he barely or doesn’t know, until he suddenly is forced to admit it and if you believe any claims coming out of this lying administration; you just need something to eat with your coolaid.

Another GOP member who went on his own "fact finding mission" a la Giuliani — but supposedly all on his own. And to get Assange to deny Russian involvement. Yeah, sure.

To be fair, dementia plays havoc with one’s memory. This might account for why he can’t remember Dana Rohrabacher, Lev Parnas, Igor Fruman and a multitude of other criminal co-conspirators. Just sayin...

coolaid



everybody drink!!

poor desperate snowflakes....

And Twittler didn't send Giuliani to Ukraine to dig up dirt on the Bidens. Until he admitted it. And he didn't know Lev Parnas, although a dozen photos show he did. And then there was this meeting in the WH with Rohrabacher.
Agolf didn’t know Lev Parnas but so many pictures, meals shared, etc. If I was going to bet, there are likely pictures here too with Rohrabacher.. let’s wait and see if this is the standard gaslighting Twittler operation.
Yes it exists, it is Dana Rohrabacher with Lev Parnas at the inaugural ball.
And Rohrabacher at the WH.
Amazing, how many coincidences there are with Agolf and Russian operatives........

And Twittler didn't send Giuliani to Ukraine to dig up dirt on the Bidens. Until he admitted it. And he didn't know Lev Parnas, although a dozen photos show he did. And then there was this meeting in the WH with Rohrabacher.
Agolf didn’t know Lev Parnas but so many pictures, meals shared, etc. If I was going to bet, there are likely pictures here too with Rohrabacher.. let’s wait and see if this is the standard gaslighting Twittler operation.
Yes it exists, it is Dana Rohrabacher with Lev Parnas at the inaugural ball.
And Rohrabacher at the WH.
Amazing, how many coincidences there are with Agolf and Russian operatives........

There you go scurrying to all your suppositions and conspiracy theories.

And Twittler didn't send Giuliani to Ukraine to dig up dirt on the Bidens. Until he admitted it. And he didn't know Lev Parnas, although a dozen photos show he did. And then there was this meeting in the WH with Rohrabacher.
Agolf didn’t know Lev Parnas but so many pictures, meals shared, etc. If I was going to bet, there are likely pictures here too with Rohrabacher.. let’s wait and see if this is the standard gaslighting Twittler operation.
Yes it exists, it is Dana Rohrabacher with Lev Parnas at the inaugural ball.
And Rohrabacher at the WH.
Amazing, how many coincidences there are with Agolf and Russian operatives........

There you go scurrying to all your suppositions and conspiracy theories.

Show me a supposition, I see plenty of Twittler's typical obstruction.

Show me a supposition, I see plenty of Twittler's typical obstruction.

With Agolf, it’s impossible to discount an allegation of criminality that, against anyone else, would seem absurd.

Any proof of that, or are you just supposing so.

And to get Assange to deny Russian involvement. Yeah, sure.

Do you have proof that Rohrabacher was lying when he said that he only wanted “truthful” information from Assange, or are you supposing that he merely wanted Assange to deny Russian involvement.

To be fair, dementia plays havoc with one’s memory. This might account for why he can’t remember Dana Rohrabacher, Lev Parnas, Igor Fruman and a multitude of other criminal co-conspirators. Just sayin...

Do you have proof that Trump has dementia?

and he didn't know Lev Parnas, although a dozen photos show he did. And then there was this meeting in the WH with Rohrabacher.
Agolf didn’t know Lev Parnas but so many pictures, meals shared, etc. If I was going to bet, there are likely pictures here too with Rohrabacher.. let’s wait and see if this is the standard gaslighting Twittler operation.
Yes it exists, it is Dana Rohrabacher with Lev Parnas at the inaugural ball.
And Rohrabacher at the WH.

Do you have proof that Trump actually "knew" these people on a personal basis rather than just appearing with them in photos, and that he knew Rohrabacher more than barely as his press secretary said.

I see plenty of Twittler's typical obstruction.[QUOTE]

Are you saying, do you have proof, that all the above is actual obstruction, or just assuming, supposing so.

With Agolf, it’s impossible to discount an allegation of criminality that, against anyone else, would seem absurd.

Any proof of that, or are you just supposing so.

And to get Assange to deny Russian involvement. Yeah, sure.

Do you have proof that Rohrabacher was lying when he said that he only wanted “truthful” information from Assange, or are you supposing that he merely wanted Assange to deny Russian involvement.

To be fair, dementia plays havoc with one’s memory. This might account for why he can’t remember Dana Rohrabacher, Lev Parnas, Igor Fruman and a multitude of other criminal co-conspirators. Just sayin...

Do you have proof that Trump has dementia?

and he didn't know Lev Parnas, although a dozen photos show he did. And then there was this meeting in the WH with Rohrabacher.
Agolf didn’t know Lev Parnas but so many pictures, meals shared, etc. If I was going to bet, there are likely pictures here too with Rohrabacher.. let’s wait and see if this is the standard gaslighting Twittler operation.
Yes it exists, it is Dana Rohrabacher with Lev Parnas at the inaugural ball.
And Rohrabacher at the WH.

Do you have proof that Trump actually "knew" these people on a personal basis rather than just appearing with them in photos, and that he knew Rohrabacher more than barely as his press secretary said.

I see plenty of Twittler's typical obstruction.[QUOTE]

Are you saying, do you have proof, that all the above is actual obstruction, or just assuming, supposing so.

Are you trying for a position on the Twittler Team?

There is plenty of evidence that Twittler coordinated with the Russians in the prior election, enough for thirty something indictments.

Does the fact that the Fifth no longer applies after you are pardoned have anything to do with why Manafort has not been pardoned and how long Stone will have to wait?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NDZp0r8QFk

Are you trying for a position on the Twittler Team?

Nope. Are you assuming, suggesting, supposing, guessing, conspiring, that there is such a thing as the Twittler Team. I haven't heard of such a team. Then, you do make up a lot of stuff.

There is plenty of evidence that Twittler coordinated with the Russians in the prior election, enough for thirty something indictments.

Was anybody indicted for conspiring with this Twittler person to influence the prior election? Mueller claimed there was not enough to indict Trump for such a thing. But maybe Mueller should have investigated this Twittler character. You seem to have a whole lot of irrefutable information and evidence against him. Perhaps you should write a note to Congress or the DOJ about him.

Does the fact that the Fifth no longer applies after you are pardoned have anything to do with why Manafort has not been pardoned and how long Stone will have to wait?

Geeze, Pete, I haven't thought about that. Good suppositions, inferences, assumptions are no doubt inherent in those questions. No doubt, you will keep informing us about it.

Geeze, Pete, I haven't thought about that. Good suppositions, inferences, assumptions are no doubt inherent in those questions. No doubt, you will keep informing us about it.

Mueller said he would not indict a sitting President.

"That's not the correct way to say it," Mueller said. "We did not reach a determination as to whether the president committed a crime."

That statement was more in line with his report, and with his earlier opening statement to the Judiciary Committee, where he said, "Based on Justice Department policy and principles of fairness, we decided we would not make a determination as to whether the President committed a crime. That was our decision then and it remains our decision today."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NDZp0r8QFk
You forgot this one

I just noticed that Hillary Clinton is not going to prison for 3 years and 4 months

You forgot this one

I just noticed that Hillary Clinton is not going to prison for 3 years and 4 months

I didn't forget it. I didn't watch it.

Mueller said he would not indict a sitting President.

So what was the point of the investigation?

"That's not the correct way to say it," Mueller said. "We did not reach a determination as to whether the president committed a crime."

Because there was not sufficient evidence to do so.

That statement was more in line with his report, and with his earlier opening statement to the Judiciary Committee, where he said, "Based on Justice Department policy and principles of fairness, we decided we would not make a determination as to whether the President committed a crime. That was our decision then and it remains our decision today."

Old news. BTW, that was in part II, the so-called obstruction bit, not the conspiracy with Russia bit, part I. Nice trick.

Old news. BTW, that was in part II, the so-called obstruction bit, not the conspiracy with Russia bit, part I. Nice trick.

No trick, the only reason it ended up there is because of obstruction of the investigation of the conspiracy.

Firing FBI Director James Comey: Trump repeatedly pressured Comey to tell the public Trump wasn’t under investigation and to go easy on Michael Flynn. When Comey wouldn’t, Trump fired him—then bragged on national television and to Russian officials that he’d done it to stop the Russia investigation.
Dangling pardons: Trump has publicly alluded to the possibility of pardoning campaign officials indicted of collusion-related crimes, and his lawyers reportedly suggested it to theirs behind closed doors. That wouldn’t just be obstruction of justice—it would also be furthering the initial conspiracy to collude with Russia.
Tampering with witnesses: Key witnesses—and even indicted campaign officials like campaign chairman Paul Manafort—were reportedly in contact with the White House before and after they testified to Special Counsel Robert Mueller or Congress. Trump has also praised witnesses like Roger Stone who refused to testify against Trump and called Cohen a “rat” for cooperating with investigators.
Forcing out Attorney General Jeff Sessions: Trump’s only criticism of Sessions was that he had recused himself from overseeing Mueller’s investigation rather than run interference for Trump. When Sessions finally stepped down, Trump went outside the Justice Department’s explicit chain of command to illegally appoint an acting attorney general who’d openly attacked Mueller and even outlined how Trump could sideline the special counsel.
Trying to fire Mueller and Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein: Along with his running commentary bashing Mueller’s investigation, Trump has reportedly tried to fire Mueller at least twice. He also reportedly considered forcing out Rosenstein, who has overseen the investigation since Sessions’s recusal in early 2017.
Directing the coverup of the June 9 meeting: When The New York Times first reported that Donald Trump Jr., Jared Kushner, and Manafort met with suspected Russian operatives in Trump Tower, the president personally dictated his son’s misleading response. That response just so happened to dismiss the June 9 meeting as having been about adoptions—a topic Trump said he had recently discussed with Russian President Vladimir Putin at G20.

No trick, the only reason it ended up there is because of obstruction of the investigation of the conspiracy.

blah....blah....blah...

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hey pete...nobody cares....

hey pete...nobody cares....

History will.......

No trick, the only reason it ended up there is because of obstruction of the investigation of the conspiracy.

It wouldn't have worked in Part I. In that part, he said there was not sufficient evidence to indict.

Firing FBI Director James Comey: Trump repeatedly pressured Comey to tell the public Trump wasn’t under investigation

He was told by Comey and others that he wasn't under investigation. What was illegal, immoral, or a lie, to ask that Comey publicly say that? (Of course, you have to characterize it as being "pressured.")

and to go easy on Michael Flynn.

There was good reason to go easy on Flynn. The FBI initially did not think he lied. His meeting with Russians was not illegal, actually was part of his responsibility in the incoming administration. He wasn't told in his interrogation that he was under investigation and that he should have a lawyer present. We may even be discovering that Flynn was the real target in the phony investigation.

When Comey wouldn’t, Trump fired him—then bragged on national television and to Russian officials that he’d done it to stop the Russia investigation.

It was not illegal to fire Comey. The assistant AG recommended it.

Dangling pardons: Trump has publicly alluded to the possibility of pardoning campaign officials indicted of collusion-related crimes, and his lawyers reportedly suggested it to theirs behind closed doors. That wouldn’t just be obstruction of justice—it would also be furthering the initial conspiracy to collude with Russia.
Tampering with witnesses: Key witnesses—and even indicted campaign officials like campaign chairman Paul Manafort—were reportedly in contact with the White House before and after they testified to Special Counsel Robert Mueller or Congress. Trump has also praised witnesses like Roger Stone who refused to testify against Trump and called Cohen a “rat” for cooperating with investigators.
Forcing out Attorney General Jeff Sessions: Trump’s only criticism of Sessions was that he had recused himself from overseeing Mueller’s investigation rather than run interference for Trump. When Sessions finally stepped down, Trump went outside the Justice Department’s explicit chain of command to illegally appoint an acting attorney general who’d openly attacked Mueller and even outlined how Trump could sideline the special counsel.
Trying to fire Mueller and Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein: Along with his running commentary bashing Mueller’s investigation, Trump has reportedly tried to fire Mueller at least twice. He also reportedly considered forcing out Rosenstein, who has overseen the investigation since Sessions’s recusal in early 2017.
Directing the coverup of the June 9 meeting: When The New York Times first reported that Donald Trump Jr., Jared Kushner, and Manafort met with suspected Russian operatives in Trump Tower, the president personally dictated his son’s misleading response. That response just so happened to dismiss the June 9 meeting as having been about adoptions—a topic Trump said he had recently discussed with Russian President Vladimir Putin at G20.

That's all a whole lot of noise that led to nothing except dangling bits of suppositions, assumptions, conspiracy theories, and little pieces of moldy meat for you to incessantly rant and drip on and on and on . . .

That's all a whole lot of noise that led to nothing except dangling bits of suppositions, assumptions, conspiracy theories, and little pieces of moldy meat for you to incessantly rant and drip on and on and on . . .

Donald Trump’s: Campaign chair: felon Deputy campaign chair: felon Foreign policy adviser: felon Personal lawyer: felon National security adviser: felon Longtime political adviser: felon

Nothing says “I hate political corruption” quite like commuting the sentence of a corrupt Governor of Illinois who went to prison for withholding money from a children’s hospital until they paid him a $50,000 bribe.

Donald Trump’s: Campaign chair: felon Deputy campaign chair: felon Foreign policy adviser: felon Personal lawyer: felon National security adviser: felon Longtime political adviser: felon

Nothing says “I hate political corruption” quite like commuting the sentence of a corrupt Governor of Illinois who went to prison for withholding money from a children’s hospital until they paid him a $50,000 bribe.

Donald Trump: President: not a felon. Not convicted. Not conspiracist. Not convicted for obstruction. Yada, yada, yada . . .

Donald Trump: President: not a felon. Not convicted. Not conspiracist. Not convicted for obstruction. Yada, yada, yada . . .

Not doing sh*t to protect our elections from foreign intervention and when intelligence brings him intel advising him, that a Russia is at it again to help Trump, what does he do? Out with the old, in with a loyalist with zero intelligence experience, are you clowns just ok with foreign interference because you just hate Democrats? A sixth Trump aid sentenced today, it’s just corruption from the top down and Trump and Barr are two very dangerous individuals. Lucky for Americans worse case is one more term and then those that helped and abated him will have to pay the bill.

the snowflakes are increasingly unhinged....:kewl:

the snowflakes are increasingly unhinged....:kewl:

You constantly say nobody cares yet you repeatedly come back here and say nothing other than throw out little insults. you're getting likes SD.
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Maybe Scott is a Russian bot trying to get Trump reelected?
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Maybe Scott is a Russian bot trying to get Trump reelected?
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I think he’s auditioning to be Trump Jr’s political advisor.
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WHat should scare you isn't the Russians, it's...drip...drip...drip...the convention is coming, and the likely resulting civil war within the democratic party.

Maybe Scott is a Russian bot trying to get Trump reelected?
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he doesn't need my help...the democraps are doing a fine job...what a freekin' disaster:rotf2:

You constantly say nobody cares

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nobody cares what pete thinks...I think you even said you don't care what pete thinks

Donald Trump: President: not a felon. Not convicted. Not conspiracist. Not convicted for obstruction. Yada, yada, yada . . .

Impeached
Corrupt
Putin’s Puppet
Once again enabling Russian interference in our elections
Selling pardons

Bush 43 in his final weeks in office pardoned a developer convicted of mail fraud. When it came out that the developer’s father had contributed $30,000 to the GOP, Bush was so upset that it would look like a favor for a donor that he took the pardon back.

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Impeached
Corrupt
Putin’s Puppet
Once again enabling Russian interference in our elections
Selling pardons


Same old yada, yada, yada

Same old same old like Trump willing to aid Russia indirectly to avoid (like anyone with a brain can’t see through that smoke screen) the appearance of impropriety. Intelligence head briefs those cleared to receive such briefing about Russia taking steps to help Trump again in 2020, Trump freaks out over it, fires him and puts in a dolt who is as qualified as I am to head that agency and it’s deja vu all over again.

Same old yada, yada, yada

And he is still The Same Old Corrupt Conman

Bush 43 in his final weeks in office pardoned a developer convicted of mail fraud. When it came out that the developer’s father had contributed $30,000 to the GOP, Bush was so upset that it would look like a favor for a donor that he took the pardon back.

And he is still The Same Old Corrupt Conman

Bush 43 in his final weeks in office pardoned a developer convicted of mail fraud. When it came out that the developer’s father had contributed $30,000 to the GOP, Bush was so upset that it would look like a favor for a donor that he took the pardon back.

RePete

Hey, do you know who ISN'T a convicted and sentenced felon?

It's a long list, but I was promised that ANY day now the "Deep State Coup Plotters" would be brought to justice...

Jim Comey.
John Brennan.
Andy McCabe.
Pete Strozk.
Lisa Page.

Sorry, Detbuch and QAnon.

nobody cares what pete thinks...I think you even said you don't care what pete thinks

I care as much for what Pete thinks as I care about the majority of the other folks on this forum - no more or no less.

Drip - the Russians help Trump in the 2016 election
Drip - Trump ask the Russians to find HC's emails
Drip - The Russians search for HC's emails
Drip - Trump lies about his Russia investments/plans
Drip - Trump takes Russians into the oval office
Drip - Trump praises Putin constantly and takes his word over our intelligence agencies
Drip - Russians do all they can to help Trump get elected in 2020 election.
Drip - DNI head briefs congress about Russian interference, Trump has a tantrum and fires person giving briefing
Drip - SB Trumplicans moan, deflect and cry.
Drip - Republican party strangely quite on DNI briefing.

Still trying to figure out why the Russians are so intent on getting a Repub. elected.

Drip - the Russians help Trump in the 2016 election
Drip - Trump ask the Russians to find HC's emails
Drip - The Russians search for HC's emails
Drip - Trump lies about his Russia investments/plans
Drip - Trump takes Russians into the oval office
Drip - Trump praises Putin constantly and takes his word over our intelligence agencies
Drip - Russians do all they can to help Trump get elected in 2020 election.
Drip - DNI head briefs congress about Russian interference, Trump has a tantrum and fires person giving briefing
Drip - SB Trumplicans moan, deflect and cry.
Drip - Republican party strangely quite on DNI briefing.

Still trying to figure out why the Russians are so intent on getting a Repub. elected.

So they could give more arms to Ukraine, drill more oil and natural gas to keep the price down and hurt the Russian economy, continue to strengthen NATO, slow China's economy down, Boost the American economy, maintain sanctions on Russia and Iran, stretch Russia's resources as it further involves into the Middle East, create a space force to counter and beat China to it and the power to control the space grid, and a bunch of other small stuff which obviously can't compare to your or Pete's drips.

So they could give more arms to Ukraine,
Arms don't help when the continued support of Russia (Donald Trump meets Russia's top diplomat at White House, etc.) in the Ukraine is rapidly eroding Zelensky's popular support. I will be surprised if he lasts till our election.
drill more oil and natural gas to keep the price down and hurt the Russian economy,
Rosstat said growth in the natural resources industries, including the production of gas and gas condensate — which jumped by more than 10% — was the biggest contributor to growth over the year.
Saudi Arabia and Russia appear to be heading toward the fourth consecutive year of OPEC+ collaboration when producers gather in early March. A continuation of the output cuts agreement with a possible deepening of agreed reductions is widely anticipated.
Russian consumer demand rises in January on growing real income levels.
continue to strengthen NATO,
His brilliant move to let the Turks into Syria just might be the end of NATO as we know it. Things are breaking there.
slow China's economy down,
Morgan Stanley says China’s first-quarter growth could fall as low as 3.5% due to coronavirus, still 1% better than ours. He'll probably take credit for Coronavirus
Boost the American economy,
US GDP growth is the same as it has been for the last 10 years, and he has the deficit up to a Trillion. Just like his other bankruptcies
maintain sanctions on Russia and Iran

What happened to the sanctions on Deripaska and the other oligarchs?
U.S. President Donald Trump ordered Attorney General William Barr to drop charges against state-run Halkbank, now accused of seeking to circumvent U.S. sanctions on Iran, to deal with persistent Turkish pressure
And that stuff is just the tip of that particular iceberg

, stretch Russia's resources as it further involves into the Middle East, create a space force to counter and beat China to it and the power to control the space grid, and a bunch of other small stuff which obviously can't compare to your or Pete's drips.

Just keep believing the conman

Originally Posted by detbuch
So they could give more arms to Ukraine,
Arms don't help when the continued support of Russia (Donald Trump meets Russia's top diplomat at White House, etc.) in the Ukraine is rapidly eroding Zelensky's popular support. I will be surprised if he lasts till our election.

Well, if arms don't help, we shouldn't be upset about a delay in sending them. I guess they help our economy when Ukraine pays for them. Damn that Trump--he should stop meeting Russian diplomats. We would be much safer and world peace would be more greatly advanced if he would stop talking with the Russians.

drill more oil and natural gas to keep the price down and hurt the Russian economy,

Rosstat said growth in the natural resources industries, including the production of gas and gas condensate — which jumped by more than 10% — was the biggest contributor to growth over the year.
Saudi Arabia and Russia appear to be heading toward the fourth consecutive year of OPEC+ collaboration when producers gather in early March. A continuation of the output cuts agreement with a possible deepening of agreed reductions is widely anticipated.
Russian consumer demand rises in January on growing real income levels.


Like I said, our increased production keeps the price down. I would suppose other oil producing nations would want to fight that by decreasing production. Either way, it hurts their economy.

continue to strengthen NATO,

His brilliant move to let the Turks into Syria just might be the end of NATO as we know it. Things are breaking there.


His insistence that Europe's countries pay more into NATO strengthens it and sends the message that Europe must more greatly support NATO. That, in effect, ended NATO as we knew it. So what did NATO do to stop Turkey?

slow China's economy down,

Morgan Stanley says China’s first-quarter growth could fall as low as 3.5% due to coronavirus, still 1% better than ours. He'll probably take credit for Coronavirus


It used to be more than 1% better than ours. And the trade war has led to a weakening growth in China's economy. And if Coronavirus expands, especially here, you will blame Trump. If it doesn't, no way you'll give Trump any credit.

Boost the American economy,

US GDP growth is the same as it has been for the last 10 years, and he has the deficit up to a Trillion. Just like his other bankruptcies


GDP growth remaining the same in a wealthier economy means an actual rise in growth. Same rate, but larger numbers.

maintain sanctions on Russia and Iran

What happened to the sanctions on Deripaska and the other oligarchs?

Congress made that decision. And it was heavily influenced by our beloved Europeans--Ambassadors from Austria, France, Germany, Ireland, Italy, Sweden, the U.K. and the E.U. sent a letter to Democratic House Committee Chairman Eliot Engel lobbying for the end of sanctions on

U.S. President Donald Trump ordered Attorney General William Barr to drop charges against state-run Halkbank, now accused of seeking to circumvent U.S. sanctions on Iran, to deal with persistent Turkish pressure

Halbank is Turkish, not Russian. According to the Hill: "Justice Department spokeswoman Kerri Kupec said The New York Times report “grossly mischaracterizes” the attorney general’s conversations with Bolton and that Barr never had any discussions of “personal favors” or “undue influence,” nor did he think the president’s communications with foreign leaders were “improper.”

, stretch Russia's resources as it further involves into the Middle East, create a space force to counter and beat China to it and the power to control the space grid, and a bunch of other small stuff which obviously can't compare to your or Pete's drips.


Just keep believing the conman

Keep trying to make everything Trump does, or says, or thinks, or wants, or implies, or suggests, or criticizes, or makes sarcastic fun of, or supports, or is in contact with, or breathes, a destruction of America, of the Constitution, evil, wrong . . . and that anything or anyone that opposes him, no matter how idiotic, dingbat, socialist, corrupt, will actually save us if only we all would embrace them rather than giving Trump even a slight nod of credit, or ability . . . and keep telling us that we are no better off now than under Obama, actually worse off and about to collapse into some pit of political and economic horror even though Trump is just living off of Obama policies.

Keep trying to make everything Trump does, or says, or thinks, or wants, or implies, or suggests, or criticizes, or makes sarcastic fun of, or supports, or is in contact with, or breathes, a destruction of America, of the Constitution, evil, wrong . . . and that anything or anyone that opposes him, no matter how idiotic, dingbat, socialist, corrupt, will actually save us if only we all would embrace them rather than giving Trump even a slight nod of credit, or ability . . . and keep telling us that we are no better off now than under Obama, actually worse off and about to collapse into some pit of political and economic horror even though Trump is just living off of Obama policies.

You ought to loosen that MAGA hat, it's cutting off the circulation to your brain. Twittler is losing it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NDZp0r8QFk

You ought to loosen that MAGA hat, it's cutting off the circulation to your brain. Twittler is losing it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NDZp0r8QFk

I showed you the courtesy to actually respond to your post, point by point, which I have done many times. You, here, as you have done many times, respond with nonsense.

I don't have a MAGA hat. The circulation to my brain is just fine. I am not afraid to say "Trump." That is not a taboo name that would cause me harm if I spoke it. I don't know about "Twittler" losing it, nor what it is that he is supposed to be losing.

President Trump has had a lot of wins. He doesn't appear to me to be more irrational than Bernie Sanders, or Joe Biden, or E. Warren, et. al. If I were to compare what Trump has accomplished to what you are accomplishing by your incessant, repetitious, ranting, it would appear to me that you would be the loser, not him.

It has occurred to me that, because of your method of idiotic or no response, your inability to have a rational discussion, any attempt to which you respond by merely extending your diatribe, that you are not worth talking with.

Actually, your worth ignoring. Memo to self. Will do.

I showed you the courtesy to actually respond to your post, point by point, which I have done many times. You, here, as you have done many times, respond with nonsense.

I don't have a MAGA hat. The circulation to my brain is just fine. I am not afraid to say "Trump." That is not a taboo name that would cause me harm if I spoke it. I don't know about "Twittler" losing it, nor what it is that he is supposed to be losing.

President Trump has had a lot of wins. He doesn't appear to me to be more irrational than Bernie Sanders, or Joe Biden, or E. Warren, et. al. If I were to compare what Trump has accomplished to what you are accomplishing by your incessant, repetitious, ranting, it would appear to me that you would be the loser, not him.

It has occurred to me that, because of your method of idiotic or no response, your inability to have a rational discussion, any attempt to which you respond by merely extending your diatribe, that you are not worth talking with.

Actually, your worth ignoring. Memo to self. Will do.

I answered everyone of your points that were worth answering with a defendable answer.
You deflected with baloney and weasel words each of my points.

As far as praise of Twittler or Trump goes, I think Shakespeare called that out long ago: “He that loves to be flattered is worthy o’ the flatterer.”

Drip . . . drip . . . drip from Bongino. He's really good as well as charismatic and entertaining. Highly recommend his daily episodes to get an alternative view from someone with sources that have proven accurate re the Russia hoax, etc. Not for wdmso, or Striper, or Spence, but for those who want a wider range of information than the MSM which so often has gotten it wrong--almost as if they have an agenda . . . nah . . . can't be . . .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZ5F6mwB-Cs

Really looking forward to a Trump/Sanders general election which is decided by who gets the coveted Vladimir Putin endorsement!!
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Really looking forward to a Trump/Sanders general election which is decided by who gets the coveted Vladimir Putin endorsement!!
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so trump can’t beat Bernie without Russia’s help? Yeah, you have your finger on the pulse.
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Thought this was a perfect example of which column Trump checks off almost every box and it's not on the left (no pun intended). Not sure who posted it on facebook, but on seeing it this morning, boy doesn't that column on the right describe Trump to a tee. Since this thread turned to perceived Trump success, I thought it fitting.

“perceived” trump success. It’s only perception that my take home pay went up, it’s only perception that our 401ks are through the roof and part of that is because of his pro growth policies, and it’s perception that he’s appointing judges who will be guided by the constitution rather than by personal activism. no reality, all perception.
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As always your metric for success is tied to the market and your precious 401K, everyone has a different view of whether this conman is an American success story, yours is yours, that however doesn't make it mine.

“perceived” trump success. It’s only perception that my take home pay went up, it’s only perception that our 401ks are through the roof and part of that is because of his pro growth policies, and it’s perception that he’s appointing judges who will be guided by the constitution rather than by personal activism. no reality, all perception.
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Jim, is it also your perception that quality public servants are being cleaned out and replaced by inexperienced sycophants to not question the President’s bidding?

Is it your perception that decorated veterans are being punished and shamed for upholding their oaths to the constitution, something you know a bit about.

Is it your perception that Trump is once again trying to gaslight the entire country about Russian election meddling contrary to our entire national security organizations and congressional duty to receive such information.

Is it?

You’re worried about your 401k, I’m worried about our Country.
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As always your metric for success is tied to the market and your precious 401K, everyone has a different view of whether this conman is an American success story, yours is yours, that however doesn't make it mine.

i mentioned judges as well, probably the single most important thing a president does. our national security is also in good shape.

you’re all desperate to ignore the economy, because you can’t handle the job economic success ushered by a guy you despise. but regular people aren’t going to pretend the economy isn’t doing well.
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Jim, is it also your perception that quality public servants are being cleaned out and replaced by inexperienced sycophants to not question the President’s bidding?

Is it your perception that decorated veterans are being punished and shamed for upholding their oaths to the constitution, something you know a bit about.

Is it your perception that Trump is once again trying to gaslight the entire country about Russian election meddling contrary to our entire national security organizations and congressional duty to receive such information.

Is it?

You’re worried about your 401k, I’m worried about our Country.
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i concede that some good people have left because of trump, and that he says stupid and outlandish things. i am willing to tolerate that if it means national security is in good shape and that i can retire a year earlier because of what my ira is doing, and if he’s appointing judges who aren’t political activists. i don’t look to him to be any kind of role model for personal ethos. the side benefit is watching democrats willingly humiliate themselves every single day, but that’s just the cherry on top.

i want my mechanic to be able to fix
my car. i don’t especially care if he cheats on his wife or if he says loathsome things. when my wife is driving my kids around, i only care that the car is safe and reliable.

Similarly i want my potus to grow the economy, to kill terrorists, to look out for the unborn, and to appoint judges who abide by the constitution.

i’m results oriented. not style oriented. i hate his style, but care more about his results. you deny the results and obsess over style.
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Jim, is it also your perception that quality public servants are being cleaned out and replaced by inexperienced sycophants to not question the President’s bidding?

Is it your perception that decorated veterans are being punished and shamed for upholding their oaths to the constitution, something you know a bit about.

Is it your perception that Trump is once again trying to gaslight the entire country about Russian election meddling contrary to our entire national security organizations and congressional duty to receive such information.

Is it?

You’re worried about your 401k, I’m worried about our Country.
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It's all Transactional with Trump supporters it's a quid pro quo my 401k is doing well , and judges ( whom they think wont follow the law but be ttheir activist judges ) and for that, they will ignore everything else ..

So when things go south and historical they do. What will be their reason of support

Integrity, honesty, his love of God, family values, his compassion , none of theses will be the reason , it will be victimhood and oh how the deepstate plotted against him bla bla bla .

Today they have no issues with Nunes telling Trump hes
Intel director doesn't have his back , or Trump firing his appointee for telling congress the Russians are at it again .. because it looks bad for him and puts a puppet in is place .. looks a lot like how other country's operate , but his supporters again have no issues it's just getting rid of Obama hold overs ...

America 1st my ass

He is clearly the greatest president of our lifetime
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moderate democrats will be voting for TRUMP in November...

wdmso, i jeep sating i don’t like how he handles people, you keep saying i don’t care. i do care, but i care more about results.

“when things go south”.

when is that going to happen? do you know? what indicators do you see that suggest things are heading south because of trump? if that happens, i’ll be the first to hold him accountable. i can’t predict the future like you can.

you’re blaming him for things that haven’t happened.
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moderate democrats will be voting for TRUMP in November...

the black ones just might. if he gets 15% of the black vote, he can’t lose. i can not wait to see that number.
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Ok Jim, so denigrating and mocking veterans up holding the Constitution is just style point to you. Kind of like our troops in Iraq recently that had a few headaches. Style points. Enjoy your money.
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Ok Jim, so denigrating and mocking veterans up holding the Constitution is just style point to you. Kind of like our troops in Iraq recently that had a few headaches. Style points. Enjoy your money.
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i hates what he said about mccain. but if you want me to believe that hilary has more respect for vets than he does, i don’t buy it.

spence, you can’t say anything complimentary about him. we get it.
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you’re blaming him for things that haven’t happened.

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does this surprise you? :laugha:

does this surprise you? :laugha:

how could it? everything is his fault, starting with the Chicago fire and going at least through the next few recessions. regardless of when they occur or what triggers them.

oh, and Trump is FINALLY talking about meaningful spending cuts to address his stupid deficits. He’s trying to actually do things.
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how could it? everything is his fault, starting with the Chicago fire and going at least through the next few recessions. regardless of when they occur or what triggers them.

oh, and Trump is FINALLY talking about meaningful spending cuts to address his stupid deficits. He’s trying to actually do things.
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That's hilarious

i mentioned judges as well, probably the single most important thing a president does. our national security is also in good shape.

you’re all desperate to ignore the economy, because you can’t handle the job economic success ushered by a guy you despise. but regular people aren’t going to pretend the economy isn’t doing well.
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Our national security is at great risk when people doing their job to report intelligence critical to our national security, are fired because Trump doesn’t like the intel they have shared. Shoot the messenger and put a raving Trump loyalist with zero ability to run the most important agency protecting our national security, sure you understand our national security isn’t just tied to some campaign promise wall?

Our national security is at great risk when people doing their job to report intelligence critical to our national security, are fired because Trump doesn’t like the intel they have shared. Shoot the messenger and put a raving Trump loyalist with zero ability to run the most important agency protecting our national security, sure you understand our national security isn’t just tied to some campaign promise wall?

yes...as you've been saying for three years...everything should collapse at any minute now :huh:

Our national security is at great risk when people doing their job to report intelligence critical to our national security, are fired because Trump doesn’t like the intel they have shared. Shoot the messenger and put a raving Trump loyalist with zero ability to run the most important agency protecting our national security, sure you understand our national security isn’t just tied to some campaign promise wall?

our national security is a lot
more than a wall. it’s also a lot more than what i admit is a disturbing revolving door of those reporting directly to trump. our national security is a lot
more than senior level political appointees. it’s mostly determined by dedicated heroes far removed from trump, whose boots are on the ground. thank goodness. most people working for our security, are dedicated to their jobs regardless of their feelings for the president.

If there’s actual national security failures, i’ll be the very first to blame trump. However, i’m not going to blame him for speculative failures that haven’t happened. I’ll judge him by what has actually happened. Results, not style.
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our national security is a lot
more than a wall. it’s also a lot more than what i admit is a disturbing revolving door of those reporting directly to trump. our national security is a lot
more than senior level political appointees. it’s mostly determined by dedicated heroes far removed from trump, whose boots are on the ground. thank goodness. most people working for our security, are dedicated to their jobs regardless of their feelings for the president.

If there’s actual national security failures, i’ll be the very first to blame trump. However, i’m not going to blame him for speculative failures that haven’t happened. I’ll judge him by what has actually happened. Results, not style.
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These speculative failures are never seen in real time , from presidential action . And yes our national security is handled by many people below senior leadership.

But leadership Matters,especially when that leadership is being directed to cut off congressional information, to protect Trumps campaign above informing our elected representatives. Or even worse just 1 side of the aisle

If the Kremlin is supporting your candidate, it’s because it sees your candidate as a means of weakening America and strengthening itself.

If you find yourself supporting such a candidate, it’s time to take a step back, learn why and choose someone else.

If the Kremlin is supporting your candidate, it’s because it sees your candidate as a means of weakening America and strengthening itself.

If you find yourself supporting such a candidate, it’s time to take a step back, learn why and choose someone else.

No manipulation of an election going on there. :rolleyes:
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