Judge sums up case thusly: "He was not prosecuted for standing up for the president; he was prosecuted for covering up for the president."

On Stone's defense of “So what?" judge echoes prosecutors: "Of all the circumstances in this case, that may be the most pernicious. The truth still exists, the truth still matters. Roger Stone's insistence that it doesn’t ... are a threat to our most fundamental institutions"

Breakdown of Roger Stone's sentence:

COUNT 1 - 40 MONTHS
COUNT 2 to 6 -- 12 MONTHS
COUNTS 7 -- 18 MONTHS

all to run concurrently

Stone was found guilty of lying to Congress and obstructing a congressional investigation to protect Agolf. Yet another cog in Twittler's inner circle of criminals.

Reminder: Barr said in his confirmation hearings that it would be a crime for a president to pardon somebody in exchange for them lying to protect him.
Will he still believe it if Trump pardons Roger Stone?

The judge lied and should be impeached. She is clearly biased. Just another example of political corruption.

The judge lied and should be impeached. She is clearly biased. Just another example of political corruption.

to funny from another one convinced of the deep state..

But absent of criticism of Stones Behavior :btu:

The judge lied and should be impeached. She is clearly biased. Just another example of political corruption.
About WHAT?

About WHAT?

She said on the record, that Stone was covering for the president. As far as I know, the charges didn't mention that.

The jury forewoman calls herself "a lieutenant with the Resistance", I believe?

The judge also barred Stone from speaking about it. So all the people at CNN can say whatever they want about him, and he's not allowed to speak his mind or defend himself?

Spence, we know the DOJ tipped off CNN, and we all saw the way the DOJ went in to get this senior citizen, armed like Seal Team 6.

Stone broke the law, and absolutely deserves to be punished. But it appears there was a significant political element to some of this.

Worst case, Trump pardons him after the election. My bet, the conviction gets tossed. That jury forewoman had no business being anywhere near that trial, she posted on social media that Trump was in the Klan and that all of his supporters were racist.

She said on the record, that Stone was covering for the president. As far as I know, the charges didn't mention that. so judges are prevented from giving their opinion on why the def. did something?

The jury forewoman calls herself "a lieutenant with the Resistance", I believe?

The judge also barred Stone from speaking about it. So all the people at CNN can say whatever they want about him, and he's not allowed to speak his mind or defend himself?Is this after the verdict or during the trial when he posted a picture of the judge with what looked like cross hairs?

Spence, we know the DOJ tipped off CNNReally - when did that come out? Read up on what the CNN people said about why they were at his house., and we all saw the way the DOJ went in to get this senior citizen, armed like Seal Team 6.

Stone broke the law, and absolutely deserves to be punished. But it appears there was a significant political element to some of this.

Worst case, Trump pardons him after the election. My bet, the conviction gets tossed. That jury forewoman had no business being anywhere near that trial, she posted on social media that Trump was in the Klan and that all of his supporters were racist.

so what was the lie?

She said on the record, that Stone was covering for the president. As far as I know, the charges didn't mention that.

The jury forewoman calls herself "a lieutenant with the Resistance", I believe?

The judge also barred Stone from speaking about it. So all the people at CNN can say whatever they want about him, and he's not allowed to speak his mind or defend himself?

Spence, we know the DOJ tipped off CNN, and we all saw the way the DOJ went in to get this senior citizen, armed like Seal Team 6.




Stone broke the law, and absolutely deserves to be punished. But it appears there was a significant political element to some of this.

Worst case, Trump pardons him after the election. My bet, the conviction gets tossed. That jury forewoman had no business being anywhere near that trial, she posted on social media that Trump was in the Klan and that all of his supporters were racist.

CNN tipped off By DOJ Conspiracy theory

The Jury forewomen was vetted by Stone Lawyers and she wasn't the only Juror to convict


The judge also barred Stone from speaking about it,,, its a gag order and not uncommon and apply to both parties

DOJ went in to get this senior citizen, armed like Seal Team 6.

Policy on Raids are not defined by the Targets Age but based on the safety of the officers involved .. funny again no issue with seal team 6 wannabes protesting in VA But actual law enforcement doing their Job OMG


and Trump can say what he wants interfering in the Trial and the Right called it Free speech This forewomen spoke after the trial and never during the trial about the trial and she's the one the right goes after Typical

so what was the lie?
I think it was from a meme.

Wow, did all the flakes turn into Bitchslappedboy while I was away?
This all seems like a big deal about nothing.
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The Jury forewomen was vetted by Stone Lawyers and she wasn't the only Juror to convict


The judge also barred Stone from speaking about it,,, its a gag order and not uncommon and apply to both parties


i’m told that in federal court, the judge selects the jury, not the lawyers. either way, she should have been booted.

i’ve seen democrat lawyers who were stunned at the gag order. it’s not only sean hannity saying that was excessive.
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i’m told that in federal court, the judge selects the jury, not the lawyers. either way, she should have been booted.

i’ve seen democrat lawyers who were stunned at the gag order. it’s not only sean hannity saying that was excessive.
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A gag order doesn't change whats told in court by either side not sure of why this is problematic to you


The judge and the attorneys then ask the potential jurors questions to determine their suitability to serve on the jury, a process called voir dire. The purpose of voir dire is to exclude from the jury people who may not be able to decide the case fairly.

this is in All us courts Not sure how many they get to dismiss when I was selected the defendant was with his attorneys when then asked if i could be impartial even as a correctional officer , And didn't get bounced until the last round

Stone's buddy can't pardon him because that makes the Fifth Amendment moot.
So will he commute his sentence is the question.

If you want to whine about the judge and think she did something awful in sentencing Roger Stone, you ought to at least read the transcript of the sentencing before you do so. It is an official transcript, not a memorandum or unofficial reporting and is the court record. If you are only concerned about her sentencing statement it starts on page 57. And there are no redaction's.:bl:
So read or carry on with your usual Trumplican whining.

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/6783134-Roger-Stone-Sentencing-Transcript.html

A gag order doesn't change whats told in court by either side not sure of why this is problematic to you


The judge and the attorneys then ask the potential jurors questions to determine their suitability to serve on the jury, a process called voir dire. The purpose of voir dire is to exclude from the jury people who may not be able to decide the case fairly.

this is in All us courts Not sure how many they get to dismiss when I was selected the defendant was with his attorneys when then asked if i could be impartial even as a correctional officer , And didn't get bounced until the last round

it’s problematic to me because it violates his first amendment right. again, i’ve seen harvard law professors who identify as democrats, say she has no reason to prevent him from speaking, especially after its over. i haven’t heard one single person say it’s common. i guess you know more, but little old me, i have to rely on experts. unlike you, i can accept and process that which goes against my beliefs, i don’t need to deny all such things.
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especially after its over.
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Who has said this?
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Who has said this?
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He's been convicted and sentenced, so it's over. And the judge has him under a gag order. So he's not allowed to talk about the proceedings, he's not allowed to speak in his defense when he's excoriated on CNN. Which from what every lawyer (even democrats) I've heard say, is very unusual for a case like this.

The guy was convicted of a crime, I have no problem with him being punished. However, I think it's very strange that he, of all people, is worthy of a special forces team storming his house at dawn, rather than simply calling his lawyer to have him turn himself in. And everyone says a gag order in this kind of a case is unusual. And the jury forewoman (while obviously only one juror) had absolutely zero business being on that jury. So there are multiple red flags. It smells of politics. Why an assault team with those kinds of weapons? Is that a typical response for an old man accused of interfering with witness and of lying about emails? Maybe all seniors accused of these kinds of crimes get that kind of a response, and if so, that's fair. But I'd bet that's not the case.

If his conviction isn't overturned, he'll probably get pardoned.

Everyone everyone everyone everyone
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I didn't follow the case that closely so I could be wrong but the reason I believe the judge gave a gag order was because she is looking into the juror or she is expecting stone to appeal. And I don't believe it's unusual for the feds to use overwhelming force .
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during the trial, the judge was very clear that the gag order was to prevent crowds from getting fired up by public statements and coming to the courthouse. If you believe that, it makes you wonder why the gag order hasn’t been lifted now that it’s over.

in all seriousness, i’d like to see how often the feds respond with that level of force in these kind of cases. i hope they do so all the time, otherwise it leads to speculation about politics.
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in all seriousness, i’d like to see how often the feds respond with that level of force in these kind of cases.

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yes...it's hard to comprehend that level of stupid...but then there's always the democrat debates

yes...it's hard to comprehend that level of stupid...but then there's always the democrat debates

Bernie attacking Bloomberg for his wealth, but then adamantly defending his right to own three homes. i mean my goodness.
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I cant find a gag order at the end of the trial ? While hes out on bond
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during the trial, the judge was very clear that the gag order was to prevent crowds from getting fired up by public statements and coming to the courthouse. If you believe that, it makes you wonder why the gag order hasn’t been lifted now that it’s over.

in all seriousness, i’d like to see how often the feds respond with that level of force in these kind of cases. i hope they do so all the time, otherwise it leads to speculation about politics.
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Because it’s not over. Stone is not in jail. The judge has other issues to finish.

As for his capture, I’ve read it was nothing unusual.
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Because it’s not over. Stone is not in jail. The judge has other issues to finish.

As for his capture, I’ve read it was nothing unusual.
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hmmm, where did you read that, in the obama groupie newsletter?

as i said, i hope it’s the usual practice. if it is, they can change that practice. sometimes, all it takes is a call to the lawyer to say “ have your client turn himself in tomorrow morning.”. but i remember the photos during the clinton presidency of immigration agents with big rifles and riot gear, showing up to pull some little kid away from his family in a very high profile case. not every federal action requires a Rambo response.
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As for his capture, I’ve read it was nothing unusual.

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this is beyond stupid..

yes...it's hard to comprehend that level of stupid...but then there's always the democrat debates

...or a Trump rally.
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Beyond Stupid
“He is on his third chief of staff, his fourth national security adviser, his fourth defense secretary, his fifth secretary of homeland security, his sixth deputy national security adviser and his seventh communications director.”
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...or a Trump rally.
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“Namaste Trump!”

Judge Amy Berman Jackson dismissed the Stone defense team's claims, arguing that the motion to have her recuse herself lacked "any factual or legal support."

Then Trump tweets shocking

Without offering evidence, Trump told reporters outside the White House on Sunday, "You have a juror that's obviously tainted. She was an activist against Trump, said bad things about Trump and said bad things about Stone. She somehow weaseled her way onto the jury and if that's not a tainted jury then there is no such thing as a tainted jury."


Again the rights and Trumps defense is based on no factual evidence :rotflmao:

wayne,,, you might want a do-over on that one too

So what was the proof she lied?

So what was the proof she lied?
Just wrap yourself into a fetal position and keep chanting deep state. No further proof is necessary.

wayne,,, you might want a do-over on that one too

To much truth:jump:

Just wrap yourself into a fetal position and keep chanting



this would be great practice for you guys for November

So what was the proof she lied?

again, she said in court that Stone was convicted for covering for the president. no such thing was in the charges. you’d think that maybe the judge presiding over the trial, might have a casual familiarity with the charges of the case she’s presiding over.
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again, she said in court that Stone was convicted for covering for the president. no such thing was in the charges. you’d think that maybe the judge presiding over the trial, might have a casual familiarity with the charges of the case she’s presiding over.
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Yea Jim, perhaps you could give her a ring and explain the finer details of the case :rotfl:
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He was sentenced for lying to Congress, witness tampering/threatening and obstructing the investigation into election interference by Russia.
He did all that to "cover" up for Donald Trump. I think the Judge is smart enough to recognize that "covering up" is not a crime. Saying he covered up for Donald Trump is not a lie.
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He was sentenced for lying to Congress, witness tampering/threatening and obstructing the investigation into election interference by Russia.
He did all that to "cover" up for Donald Trump. I think the Judge is smart enough to recognize that "covering up" is not a crime. Saying he covered up for Donald Trump is not a lie.
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she said he was convicted for covering up for trump. that’s a lie. it’s that simple.
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Yea Jim, perhaps you could give her a ring and explain the finer details of the case :rotfl:
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i know he didn’t get convicted for covering up for trump.
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she said he was convicted for covering up for trump. that’s a lie. it’s that simple.
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It is not a lie. If you can't understand the statement, no one can help you.

It is not a lie. If you can't understand the statement, no one can help you.

show me then, where in the charges it states he was covering for the president. that’s what she said he was convicted of.
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so you think "covering" for someone is a crime? Or do you think the judge thinks "covering" is a crime and didn't know what the charges were?

Use your critical thinking like you do every day at work.

so you think "covering" for someone is a crime? Or do you think the judge thinks "covering" is a crime and didn't know what the charges were?

Use your critical thinking like you do every day at work.

no, the judge somehow thinks it’s a crime. SHE said Stone was convicted of covering for the president. Sounds like you are agreeing with me, that he was not convicted of any such thing.
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Paul, judge Jackson said stone “was prosecuted for covering up for the president.”

The judge said that, not me. So when you attack that statement for being absurd ( which it is), you’re not attacking me as you thought you were. you were attacking the judge.

So now that you know judge Jackson said it, do you still feel it’s a stupid statement? Or is it brilliant, now that a democrat said it.
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no, the judge somehow thinks it’s a crime. SHE said Stone was convicted of covering for the president. Sounds like you are agreeing with me, that he was not convicted of any such thing.
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No she said he was prosecuted for covering up for the president, that’s exactly why he was charged with lying, witness tampering and obstruction. You’re making stuff up again Jim, it’s getting old.
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no, the judge somehow thinks it’s a crime. SHE said Stone was convicted of covering for the president. Sounds like you are agreeing with me, that he was not convicted of any such thing.
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correct - he was not, but I'm smart enough to understand that she meant Stone was convicted for trying to cover up for the Pres. by lying, tampering/threatening and obstructing the investigation .

Jim...they can't even agree...let them argue amongst themselves :laugha:

Jim...they can't even agree...let them argue amongst themselves :laugha:

they’re denying what she said was true, but can’t bring themselves to admit she was wrong, because she’s an obama appointee. TDS in all its glory.
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Six-year-old girl arrested at Florida school walked out in flex cuffs


But,but but roger stone (poor old man)

The chick had it coming
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Six-year-old girl arrested at Florida school walked out in flex cuffs


But,but but roger stone (poor old man)

what in god’s name does this have to do with Stone?
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what in god’s name does this have to do with Stone?
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Seal team six ring a bell

Seal team six ring a bell

oh my yes, because one unarmed
auxiliary police officer, is the same as the heavily armed tactical team that went and hit Stone. you can’t have a more timid response than a single reserve officer.

Jeez...
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Perhaps you think the FBI should take more chances with their lives?
Here is the view of a guy who has been in that situation.

Was the FBI’s show of force too heavy-handed, as has been alleged? Absolutely not.

Lest you believe Mueller's office or the Justice Department decides how many agents are deployed for an arrest, and what type of hardware they’re armed with, you’re mistaken. The FBI makes that call. Prosecutors draft indictments and litigate in court on behalf of The People. They leave the sweet science of apprehension tactics and techniques to other professionals.

Having been involved in the planning and execution of hundreds of early morning arrests like this one, nothing appeared to be “irregular.” This was a “knock and announce” warrant service, not to be confused with a “no knock” (exigent circumstances) arrest warrant. FBI special agents were prepared to employ mechanical breaching tools to enter Stone's home if the occupant delayed their passage.

Stone was not afforded an opportunity for a self-surrender, negotiated through his attorney, because there were concerns he may have been a flight risk (Stone insists he doesn’t own a passport) or that he may have destroyed evidence had there been warning of the coming indictment. Therefore, the FBI would have been directed to take Stone into custody. The means and methods are then left to the FBI.

Some have speculated it was overkill treatment of an elderly man, eradicating the proverbial gnat with a hammer. But some of the most dangerous encounters I experienced in my 25-year FBI career didn’t necessarily come when apprehending career street criminals or violent gang members. It was often the unassuming, benign in appearance, white-collar fraudster, corrupt politician, or senior church member infected by pedophilia. These lawbreakers and miscreants weren’t adorned with tattoos or menacing glowers. But they had a lot to lose, and in their moment of reckoning, sufficiently panicked, they often acted irrationally — choosing to hurt themselves or attack the (blessedly) armed instruments of the state sent to apprehend them.

To those pearl-clutchers raising alarms about “armed FBI agents,” you must be made aware that FBI agents were granted arrest powers and authority to carry firearms back when Congress passed a series of anti-crime legislation back in the summer of 1934, precipitated by an agent’s murder during the Kansas City Massacre of 1933.

That’s why “armed FBI agent” is such a foolish redundancy. As far as Stone’s inaccurate, hyperbolic characterization of agents armed with “grenades,” it deserves no response.

So spare me the “they didn’t need that many people for one arrest” proselytizing. You don’t know that of which you speak. In the FBI, we tend to defuse situations by removing the fight-or-flight inclination, via our overwhelming presence. To arrest one, we bring 10. For 10, we’ll bring 100. And yet, we still have a wall loaded with photos of our service martyrs. None of them expected to lose their life on that particular day.

Thank you for sharing his words Bitchslappedboy
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Thank you for sharing his words Bitchslappedboy
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What a vile person you are.

I just ignore Dingleberry because he's the prime example of the old adage that, The emptier the head, the louder the mouth.

What a vile person you are.

I can’t wait to take you fishing with my other kids.
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Stone's buddy can't pardon him because that makes the Fifth Amendment moot.
So will he commute his sentence is the question.

In Donald Trump's America, Roger Stone is rewarded for lying and Lt. Col. Vindman is punished for telling the truth.
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Thank You for sharing bsb

Boat still running?
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Time to put Roger Stone in the grand jury to find out what he knows about Trump but would not tell. Commutation can’t stop that.
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The commutation happened because Stone clearly could have implicated Trump & didn’t & has made very clear that he wasn’t doing so in order to get this benefit.
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The nation is the winner here.

Time to put Roger Stone in the grand jury to find out what he knows about Trump but would not tell. Commutation can’t stop that.
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I bet it's a "bombshell" :scream:

Totally disgusted.... Officially on the vote him out bandwagon. Don't even care who is running against. Though I would prefer to have a good decent alternative.

Totally disgusted.... Officially on the vote him out bandwagon. Don't even care who is running against. Though I would prefer to have a good decent alternative.

We might have Kanye 😂😂😂😂
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Remember he is the law and order President..
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this has the snowflakes pretty frazzled...:uhuh:

"I think the prosecution [of Roger Stone] was righteous and I think the sentence that the judge ultimately gave was fair."
-- Attorney General Bill Barr, July 8, 2020
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this has the snowflakes pretty frazzled...:uhuh:

No no no.... I am not a snowflake. I am not frazzled. I am an educated, free thinking, independent, who voted against Hillary, yet votes with a conscience. I never thought that Trump had a chance leading up to the convention. And here we are, three and a half years into it. He hasn't taken advantage of anything except taking care of his own personal agenda. And his loyal cronies. Woe be the loyal soldier who bows to the laws of the land, though... cough cough Cohen.... The two administrations his most resembles are Woodrow Wilson's and 1930s Germany.... Ponder that last one for a minute.
I am amazed at how many very intelligent, well read, educated people, many who I consider friends, can follow and support this man with such fervor..... His shortcomings and failures are to the detriment of the people of these United States. I would willingly follow a leader. But he clearly is not one.

No no no.... I am not a snowflake. I am not frazzled. I am an educated, free thinking, independent, who voted against Hillary, yet votes with a conscience. I never thought that Trump had a chance leading up to the convention. And here we are, three and a half years into it. He hasn't taken advantage of anything except taking care of his own personal agenda. And his loyal cronies. Woe be the loyal soldier who bows to the laws of the land, though... cough cough Cohen.... The two administrations his most resembles are Woodrow Wilson's and 1930s Germany.... Ponder that last one for a minute.
I am amazed at how many very intelligent, well read, educated people, many who I consider friends, can follow and support this man with such fervor..... His shortcomings and failures are to the detriment of the people of these United States. I would willingly follow a leader. But he clearly is not one.
All politics aside I’m baffled by his support. It’s frightening.
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Jeff, we agree on some common ground here.... My above stated opinions really have nothing to do with politics...

Jeff, we agree on some common ground here.... My above stated opinions really have nothing to do with politics...
There’s a reason so many lifelong republicans are getting behind Biden. It is because Trump and Trumpism is an existential threat to the Republic. I knew Trump would be bad but I didn’t think it would be this bad.
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I bet it's a "bombshell" :scream:
That Trump knew about the leaks, lied to the FBI about it and Stone lied to help cover it up then threatened to dish if he went to prison? That little tidbit?
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There’s a reason so many lifelong republicans are getting behind Biden. It is because Trump and Trumpism is an existential threat to the Republic. I knew Trump would be bad but I didn’t think it would be this bad.
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I am not sure you could count me in the group "getting behind Biden." I think a better analogy is rooting for whoever the Yankees are playing.... I still cringe every time I see Joe speak, waiting for some health issue to appear live on camera.

I am not sure you could count me in the group "getting behind Biden." I think a better analogy is rooting for whoever the Yankees are playing.... I still cringe every time I see Joe speak, waiting for some health issue to appear live on camera.
But so many lifelong republicans are because they know just sitting this one out isn’t enough. The risks are too high.

Biden is a moderate and it’s increasingly looking like he’ll pick a moderate running mate. Sure the Dems are probably going to take the Senate also but hopefully the GOP can regroup and find some some rational footing.
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All politics aside I’m baffled by his support. It’s frightening.
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Look no further than the decisive tactics used by the nazi party to divide the Germans, frighten them into submission and then get behind their agenda of European domination. Had the Germans really known what was really going on, I think it’s plainly obvious that they would have pulled the rug out from underneath hitler.


Critical thinking is dead in this country. Everyone worships their favorite pundit on cable news that spouts the diarrhea that they want to hear and this just validates their beliefs.
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That Trump knew about the leaks, lied to the FBI about it and Stone lied to help cover it up then threatened to dish if he went to prison? That little tidbit?
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google..."bombshell allegations trump"...it's pretty funny

Critical thinking is dead in this country. Everyone worships their favorite pundit on cable news that spouts the diarrhea that they want to hear and this just validates their beliefs.

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I don't have a favorite pundit or watch cable news but I still have a thing for AOC

:claps:

No no no.... I am not a snowflake.

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wasn't directed at you...just a general observation...

regarding the rest...it's not that tough to figure out...the alternative is Biden, Pelosi and Schumer running the country...

I suspect trump will run lots of ads this fall featuring footage provided from the last few weeks festivities, Americans being beaten, harassed, their businesses destroyed, historical sites destroyed and replaced with "art" and laws ignored all while democrats often cheered this as "progress"...this is actually what it looks like when marxist revolutionaries have gone wild through history, they like to paint stuff and break skulls... choose your poison America

No no no.... I am not a snowflake. I am not frazzled. I am an educated, free thinking, independent, who voted against Hillary, yet votes with a conscience.

What does your conscience tell you about which party will protect your signature quote “Americans have the right and advantage of being armed, unlike the people of other countries, whose leaders are afraid to trust them with arms.” – James Madison.

I never thought that Trump had a chance leading up to the convention. And here we are, three and a half years into it. He hasn't taken advantage of anything except taking care of his own personal agenda. And his loyal cronies. Woe be the loyal soldier who bows to the laws of the land, though... cough cough Cohen....

It is extremely difficult to do anything other than take care of his personal agenda when for those three and a half years he has been consumed with constant investigations, accusations, lies and misrepresentation against him that required his time and resources to combat. Even so, in spite of that, as has been pointed out several times, he has done, against ferocious opposition, quite a bit that many consider good for the country.

The two administrations his most resembles are Woodrow Wilson's and 1930s Germany.... Ponder that last one for a minute.

That's an interesting comment. Could you elaborate?
I don't see the important resemblances.

I am amazed at how many very intelligent, well read, educated people, many who I consider friends, can follow and support this man with such fervor..... His shortcomings and failures are to the detriment of the people of these United States. I would willingly follow a leader. But he clearly is not one.

I am amazed that the clear corruption, abuse of power, dangerously illegal, and frightening, machinations that have been maliciously plotted and carried out by the Democrats and their willing accomplices in the FBI and CIA, against this President are so completely ignored. You speak of the detriment of the people of these United States?

If you don't think the most powerful criminal and intel organizations of this country willfully, purposefully, illegally concocting a narrative of the President conspiring with Russia, all in order to remove him from his duly elected office is far more dangerous than Trump's supposed lies (many of which are fabricated to appear so) and shortcomings and failures, then that is amazing to me. And, even worse, the leaders of the opposition party being complicit.

It's not about Trump. Those who are amazed that we support Trump are so myopic that they not only disregard the illegal attempt to bring him down, which is far, far more dangerous to the constitutional protection of our liberty than anything Trump has done, but they, even more strangely, pass over our repeated claim that it is not about Trump. It is about the battle of under which ideology we are to be governed.

I am amazed that the clear corruption, abuse of power, dangerously illegal, and frightening, machinations that have been maliciously plotted and carried out by the Democrats and their willing accomplices in the FBI and CIA, against this President are so completely ignored. You speak of the detriment of the people of these United States?

If you don't think the most powerful criminal and intel organizations of this country willfully, purposefully, illegally concocting a narrative of the President conspiring with Russia, all in order to remove him from his duly elected office is far more dangerous than Trump's supposed lies (many of which are fabricated to appear so) and shortcomings and failures, then that is amazing to me. And, even worse, the leaders of the opposition party being complicit.

It's not about Trump. Those who are amazed that we support Trump are so myopic that they not only disregard the illegal attempt to bring him down, which is far, far more dangerous to the constitutional protection of our liberty than anything Trump has done, but they, even more strangely, pass over our repeated claim that it is not about Trump. It is about the battle of under which ideology we are to be governed.

You need to come out of moms basement, you need to stop drinking that coolaid, take that MAGA hat off it’s clearly cutting off flow to your brain and step outside to clear your head of all those conspiracy theory’s Trump and his minions have been spinning.

You need to come out of moms basement, you need to stop drinking that coolaid, take that MAGA hat off it’s clearly cutting off flow to your brain and step outside to clear your head of all those conspiracy theory’s Trump and his minions have been spinning.

this is intellectually lazy...

this is intellectually lazy...

Trying to debate this guy is like beating your head against a wall, he isn’t rational. He appears much smarter than he is, hence his need to pontificate, don’t let it fool you. Much rather enjoy a bit of fun poking him with some levity. He is oxygen starved clearly and needs to get some air.

Trying to debate this guy is like beating your head against a wall, he isn’t rational. He appears much smarter than he is, hence his need to pontificate, don’t let it fool you. Much rather enjoy a bit of fun poking him with some levity. He is oxygen starved clearly and needs to get some air.

he is clearly much smarter and better informed than you and nothing you wrote was even mildly amusing, but I have confidence that you can improve and be more creative :bl:

and now Trump is weaponizing the IRS to go after colleges and their tax-exempt status. Remember when during the Obama Administration a couple employees took some shortcuts and you would think Obama peed on the flag.
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I am amazed that the clear corruption, abuse of power, dangerously illegal, and frightening, machinations that have been maliciously plotted and carried out by the Democrats and their willing accomplices in the FBI and CIA, against this President are so completely ignored. You speak of the detriment of the people of these United States?

If you don't think the most powerful criminal and intel organizations of this country willfully, purposefully, illegally concocting a narrative of the President conspiring with Russia, all in order to remove him from his duly elected office is far more dangerous than Trump's supposed lies (many of which are fabricated to appear so) and shortcomings and failures, then that is amazing to me. And, even worse, the leaders of the opposition party being complicit.

It's not about Trump. Those who are amazed that we support Trump are so myopic that they not only disregard the illegal attempt to bring him down, which is far, far more dangerous to the constitutional protection of our liberty than anything Trump has done, but they, even more strangely, pass over our repeated claim that it is not about Trump. It is about the battle of under which ideology we are to be governed.

Wow, just wow.... I have to take a step back when I hear this argument. If "the most powerful criminal and intel organization in the country," ( I believe you mean the Democratic party operatives) could not secure an impeachment, then I question the title you have chosen to give them. This is all too extreme, for me at least, to even consider as credible. And if true, then we are just plain fuc ked anyway.

Wow, just wow.... I have to take a step back when I hear this argument. If "the most powerful criminal and intel organization in the country," ( I believe you mean the Democratic party operatives) could not secure an impeachment, then I question the title you have chosen to give them. This is all too extreme, for me at least, to even consider as credible. And if true, then we are just plain fuc ked anyway.

I think he is referring to FBI Ross

And if power goes to the left, just plain #^&#^&#^&#^&ed is an understatement
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More fu*cked than what, the likely 200,000 dead by this countries piss poor handling of this virus, more fu*cked than all the businesses going under as a result, more fu*cked than our president ok with the new surge if it benefits his opinion that opening the economy and now the schools helps him in November. Fu*cked is THE definition of this presidency.
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Please move to another country in December.
Big Baby Time

Please move to another country in December.
Big Baby Time

Must kill you that you promised the boss to tone down your insults, your reaching now. Don’t mistake my distain for this administration for anything else, I love this country and the beauty is I can express my opinion freely and you sir will just have to take it. Your guy is going down as the worst of all time and it’s hard to take I know.

I think he is referring to FBI Ross

And if power goes to the left, just plain #^&#^&#^&#^&ed is an understatement
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Maybe? IDK. But either way, I am not ok with extremists from the left or the right. I am not ok with defunding police, tearing down statues and rewriting our history. I am not ok with political divides as they are put up with city mayors outlawing all protests, except BLM. I am not ok with looters and protesters hiding behind the feel good movement of the year. I am not ok with people losing jobs for saying ALL lives matter, nor am I ok with my generation of white America made to feel we are the root of the problem. My generation has seen and done more than all other generations before us. I remember hearing the racist comments growing up and know the difference between my thoughts and actions and those of my parents. One bad cop in Minnesota, who should have been fired and prosecuted years before George Floyd, has boiled into a divided nation that is using this platform to further divide us when we needed a leader to unite. Sadly neither the right nor the left seem interested in doing this. All they want is to dismantle the other side at ANY COST.

And I believe in the science. Masks work. POTUS is an ass thinking his gut is better for our health, be it physical, mental, or economic. Schools aren't going to open across the board. Major professional sports are not going to be able to get through these "resumed" seasons without collateral damage. The world is laughing at us and how we can't control ourselves.... Covid has gotten the upper hand again nationally, if not in Massachusetts. But jumping into further opening will just lengthen the number of months before we can truly be back to normal. Canada may look more attractive to those suffering economically

Well said Ross!
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Please move to another country in December.
Big Baby Time

Please stop with the personal insults Bruce did nothing to you.
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I have conducted a non scientific study ..seeing i am retired at 53 and a product of public schools and admittedly a horrible speller , i like to flip back and forth bettween fox and Cnn and to see how each covers stories and how each spin them..

CNN its covid 19 95% of the time the other 5% is exposing Trump for his covid response or lack of 1

Fox spends 95% going on about protest statues or defunding the police and 5% defending trump or acting like a trump surrogate attacking biden

Conclusions if your source of information is just 1 of these outlets and your on line info mirrors their message.. you need to diversify your news sources
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Just keep in mind
Trump’s campaign manager is a felon.
His deputy campaign manager is a felon.
His national security advisor is a felon.
His foreign policy advisor is a felon.
His personal lawyer is a felon.
His long time advisor is a felon.

It’s not a campaign, it’s a criminal enterprise.
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Just keep in mind
Trump’s campaign manager is a felon.

Brad Parscale is not a felon.

His deputy campaign manager is a felon.

Bill Stepien is not a felon.

His national security advisor is a felon.

Robert C. O’Brien is not a felon.

His foreign policy advisor is a felon.

He has several. You're probably referring to Popadopoulos, who wasn't much of a felon.

His personal lawyer is a felon.

Jay Sekulow is not a felon.

His long time advisor is a felon.

He has several long time advisors. You referring to Stone? He's a harmless whacko convicted of process crimes by a prejudiced jury.

It’s not a campaign, it’s a criminal enterprise.
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His campaign is not guilty of crimes.

Sadly neither the right nor the left seem interested in doing this. All they want is to dismantle the other side at ANY COST.



The motivation behind the conflict between both sides is the issue. Trump and Biden are not the issue. The reasons behind the conflict to win and destroy the other side are either to keep what is left of our founding constitutional form of limited central government power and restoring what portions of that form are lost, or to finish the transformation of that system into an administrative state run by experts which totally dominates governance in this country in which states are merely adjuncts to the will of that centralized, pretty much unlimited, power.

That is the simple, Cliff Notes style version of what we're ultimately voting on. Trump and Biden are merely bit players who come and soon go (although professional politicians like Biden seem to hang on forever). They mean little more than being the figurehead for the real agenda. Their personalities, strengths and weaknesses, accomplishments and failures are not much more than lipstick.

Voting for the man in this election may actually be voting against which type of government you want. Be sure that your eyes are on the prize in this election, not on the stylish purse that holds it.

His campaign is not guilty of crimes.

You can’t keep them after they’re convicted.
Don’t worry though, the activity continues, that’s how criminal organizations work.

This is not about Trump protecting his friends. This is about Trump protecting Trump. Keep your mouth shut and you’ll be taken care of. This is how mobsters rule.
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The motivation behind the conflict between both sides is the issue. Trump and Biden are not the issue. The reasons behind the conflict to win and destroy the other side are either to keep what is left of our founding constitutional form of limited central government power and restoring what portions of that form are lost, or to finish the transformation of that system into an administrative state run by experts which totally dominates governance in this country in which states are merely adjuncts to the will of that centralized, pretty much unlimited, power.

That is the simple, Cliff Notes style version of what we're ultimately voting on. Trump and Biden are merely bit players who come and soon go (although professional politicians like Biden seem to hang on forever). They mean little more than being the figurehead for the real agenda. Their personalities, strengths and weaknesses, accomplishments and failures are not much more than lipstick.

Voting for the man in this election may actually be voting against which type of government you want. Be sure that your eyes are on the prize in this election, not on the stylish purse that holds it.

This current administration in no way, represents anything resembling the constitutional form intended by the founders. And your statement that it purports to return to limited central governance is a joke, right? Limited central governance? With Donald J Trump? Pushing his way front and center on every issue. Dismissing experts in the field of disease and science so he can make a gut call.... Are you truly ready to hang your hat on this current administration? My eye is on the prize. I am going to vote against what the current administration has presented, which more closely resembles a nationalist dictatorship.

just sayin'...


"One-time defenders of unsavory Clinton and Obama pardons are outraged by the president’s commutation of his old associate’s 40-month sentence.

Bill Clinton pardoned his own brother for felony distribution of cocaine. And a key witness in the Whitewater scandal for which he and Hillary Clinton were under investigation. And three others convicted in independent counsel Ken Starr’s probe. And Marc Rich, in what was a straight up political payoff. And his CIA director. And his HUD secretary. And eight people convicted in an investigation of his Agriculture Department.

Clinton also commuted the sentences of convicted terrorists, some of whom hadn’t even asked for clemency. Shameless as he was, though, even he couldn’t bring himself to pardon Oscar Lopez Rivera, the defiantly unrepentant FALN leader.

President Obama took care of that.

Obama also commuted the sentence of a U.S. soldier who passed top-secret information to WikiLeaks. He pardoned his former Joint Chiefs of Staff vice chairman, who’d been convicted of making false statements about a leak of classified information to the New York Times. And when he couldn’t get Congress to amend federal drug laws the way he wanted them amended, Obama used the pardon power to slash hundreds of sentences, under an executive initiative later sharply criticized by the Obama-appointed DOJ inspector general.

I can’t get too whipped up over President Trump’s commutation of Roger Stone’s 40-month sentence for non-violent criminal obstruction of a bogusly based and ridiculously over-prosecuted investigation.

Not under circumstances in which jail-house doors have been swung open all over the country by federal, state, and local governments, which are using the coronavirus pandemic as a rationale to release both hardened criminals and elderly convicts (i.e., those around Stone’s age)."

Every president has made questionable pardons, but to commute the sentence of a felon convicted of obstructing multiple investigations factoring your own behavior is as Mitt Romney called it “unprecedented, historic corruption.“
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Every president has made questionable pardons, but to commute the sentence of a felon convicted of obstructing multiple investigations factoring your own behavior is as Mitt Romney called it “unprecedented, historic corruption.“
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this is hilarious and romney is a jealous drama queen

just sayin'...


"One-time defenders of unsavory Clinton and Obama pardons are outraged by the president’s commutation of his old associate’s 40-month sentence.

Bill Clinton pardoned his own brother for felony distribution of cocaine. And a key witness in the Whitewater scandal for which he and Hillary Clinton were under investigation. And three others convicted in independent counsel Ken Starr’s probe. And Marc Rich, in what was a straight up political payoff. And his CIA director. And his HUD secretary. And eight people convicted in an investigation of his Agriculture Department.

Clinton also commuted the sentences of convicted terrorists, some of whom hadn’t even asked for clemency. Shameless as he was, though, even he couldn’t bring himself to pardon Oscar Lopez Rivera, the defiantly unrepentant FALN leader.

President Obama took care of that.

Obama also commuted the sentence of a U.S. soldier who passed top-secret information to WikiLeaks. He pardoned his former Joint Chiefs of Staff vice chairman, who’d been convicted of making false statements about a leak of classified information to the New York Times. And when he couldn’t get Congress to amend federal drug laws the way he wanted them amended, Obama used the pardon power to slash hundreds of sentences, under an executive initiative later sharply criticized by the Obama-appointed DOJ inspector general.

I can’t get too whipped up over President Trump’s commutation of Roger Stone’s 40-month sentence for non-violent criminal obstruction of a bogusly based and ridiculously over-prosecuted investigation.

Not under circumstances in which jail-house doors have been swung open all over the country by federal, state, and local governments, which are using the coronavirus pandemic as a rationale to release both hardened criminals and elderly convicts (i.e., those around Stone’s age)."

Denial is a wonderful thing... or the ability to only use 1 or 2 pardons from previous adminstrations leave out Bush. And not see a pattern in Trumps 25 pardons and 11 commutations.... just saying
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Denial is a wonderful thing...
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denial?

just sayin'...


I can’t get too whipped up over President Trump’s commutation of Roger Stone’s 40-month sentence for non-violent criminal obstruction of a bogusly based and ridiculously over-prosecuted investigation.

Not under circumstances in which jail-house doors have been swung open all over the country by federal, state, and local governments, which are using the coronavirus pandemic as a rationale to release both hardened criminals and elderly convicts (i.e., those around Stone’s age)."

Here is a perfect example of where I feel independent thinking over partisan politics is needed... I agree that in the grand scope of things, Stone's commutation won't be an important historical event. (Just another example of why this POTUS is a horrible human being.) As for releasing so many from prison? I can see the compassionate argument there. Heck, the 41 year old son of a man I have used as a sub contractor, died in a state run lock up. Three days and he was gone. Dead. He was in for stealing from parking meters.... Not his first offense mind you, but you get my drift. Compassionate releases to fit the crime, I am ok with that. Not ok with the release of the animals who have already raped and killed again, after being released under the pandemic heading.
So what I am trying to portray is that some good old fashioned negotiation skills are needed here, in American government. Neither party has all the answers. We, as a country, still must be able to police and protect the people from the rioting and looting that goes for protesting these days. You don't need to be a police state in order to uphold the laws of the land. I am an independent, but clearly a right leaning independent. Doesn't mean I wont back proposals from the left that I think are viable or needed, just because of who proposed them. Partisan politics is what is wrong with government today, IMHO.

Must kill you that you promised the boss to tone down your insults, your reaching now. Don’t mistake my distain for this administration for anything else, I love this country and the beauty is I can express my opinion freely and you sir will just have to take it. Your guy is going down as the worst of all time and it’s hard to take I know.

Our guy is the greatest president of our lifetime.
Don’t take that personally

denial?

yep denial that Trump didn't do anything wrong or unethical or has clearly abused his authority once again ..

I am i wrong
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Please stop with the personal insults Bruce did nothing to you.
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How is politely asking a big baby to move out of the Country an insult, and who is Bruce?

Partisan

definition
politics

A partisan is a committed member of a political party or army. In multi-party systems, the term is used for politicians who strongly support their party's policies and are reluctant to compromise with their political opponents.


It is a head scratcher as to why this behavior is allowed to continue by our elected representatives.... Though supporters from both sides of the aisle will complain about pols lining their own pockets.... It always comes down to money, doesn't it?

Partisan politics is what is wrong with government today, IMHO.



I'd only add...it's what's wrong with EVERYTHING today...EVERYTHING is politicized...the more you depend on government and give it power, which ultimately comes down to politics...the more time you spend focused on the machinations of government so we like Europe and other places continually turn more power over our lives to government then complain, protest, riot...when government doesn't act in ways that we feel are in our best interest...when you centralize government and you put that much power and control over $$$ in the hands of a few....of course government is extremely partisan.......

yep denial that Trump didn't do anything wrong or unethical or has clearly abused his authority once again ..

I am i wrong
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did he do anything wrong, unethical or clearly abusive in this case?

Our guy is the greatest president of our lifetime.
Don’t take that personally

Funny how you have felt the need to repeat that statement probably approaching 100 times, is that what you need to do in order to convince yourself of something your rational mind knows isn’t true. It was childish a year ago, now it’s just sad to watch, I’m afraid for your mental heath come November.

Funny how you have felt the need to repeat that statement probably approaching 100 times, is that what you need to do in order to convince yourself of something your rational mind knows isn’t true. It was childish a year ago, now it’s just sad to watch, I’m afraid for your mental heath come November.

Funny?
Yes
In November we can have 2 outcomes,neither will have any influence on my future nor my happiness. If Trump wins, I promise to make fun of flakes for another 4 years. If Biden wins, I get to laugh for 4 years. Regardless, I will be smiling and thankful for our leadership.

One promise I will make now is to never be a big whining baby because I don’t get my way.��

I think in a way you are whining like a baby, because your true self is just dying you can’t unleash your usual insults and SD BS. Don’t worry about me, regardless of the outcome of the last election, the next or any future election, my positive outlook on life is unshakable. This country will survive the worst president of our lifetime and any future political hack that gets elected.

I think in a way you are whining like a baby, because your true self is just dying you can’t unleash your usual insults and SD BS. Don’t worry about me, regardless of the outcome of the last election, the next or any future election, my positive outlook on life is unshakable. This country will survive the worst president of our lifetime and any future political hack that gets elected.

I am not worried about you.
Peg will keep your diapers clean

There is the SD we all know, couldn’t help yourself, just like your guy; neither of you can stop the inner self.
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Partisan

definition
politics

A partisan is a committed member of a political party or army. In multi-party systems, the term is used for politicians who strongly support their party's policies and are reluctant to compromise with their political opponents.


It is a head scratcher as to why this behavior is allowed to continue by our elected representatives.... Though supporters from both sides of the aisle will complain about pols lining their own pockets.... It always comes down to money, doesn't it?
I think you can point to Newt Gingrich, rise of K street and endless Clinton non scandals as the turning point. Country came together briefly after 9/11 but even that unraveled once the truth became clear. Trump has simply taken it to entirely a new level.
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I think you can point to Newt Gingrich, rise of K street and endless Clinton non scandals as the turning point. Country came together briefly after 9/11 but even that unraveled once the truth became clear. Trump has simply taken it to entirely a new level.
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spoken like a blind partisan:shocked:

This current administration in no way, represents anything resembling the constitutional form intended by the founders. And your statement that it purports to return to limited central governance is a joke, right? Limited central governance? With Donald J Trump? Pushing his way front and center on every issue. Dismissing experts in the field of disease and science so he can make a gut call.... Are you truly ready to hang your hat on this current administration? My eye is on the prize. I am going to vote against what the current administration has presented, which more closely resembles a nationalist dictatorship.

"More closely resembles a nationalist dictatorship" and "in no way represents anything resembling the constitutional form intended by the founders."????

The Founders were very nationalistic. They were very America First. They were very for immigration based on our economic, cultural, and technological need, not on open borders.

Trump has removed scads of regulations written by federal agencies (which had no constitutional grounds to exist in the first place), that were hampering our economic growth. The Founders were very against federal regulatory power outside of constitutional limitations and very much for the freedom of Americans to do business without the central government regulating its every move.

The Founders were very much for tariffs against foreign businesses that threatened the survival of American business.

Trump has nominated judges who are far more constitutionally oriented than those any Progressive would choose.

Would a Biden administration, or any Progressive administration for that matter, "more closely resemble" the Founders constitutional form of government than the Trump administration?

I get it that Trump, as a person, at least as he is portrayed and which many of his statements can be twisted to bolster that portrayal, is unacceptable to you. But being acceptable as a person, is not the same as being acceptable as a President who "more closely" will preserve, protect and defend the Constitution.

I don't know on what grounds you think he less resembles a protector of the Constitution than Clinton, Obama, or Biden did or would.

Just the choice of Judges alone would be enough to make him more closely resemble a protector of the Constitution than any Progressive would be. If you do a thorough study of American Progressive political ideology, you will find that the Progressive premise of good government is that it not be hampered by silly things such as separation of powers. That, in order to efficiently mandate what is good, it must be centralized in one supreme authority of experts. Constitution be damned. Progressives invented the notion of a living constitution that changes, not by amendment, but merely when the ruling elite decides it has become outmoded. Progressives have, as one of FDR's "braintrust" advisors admitted, tortured and twisted the Constitution out of any original meaning in order to pass legislation needed to advance their centralizing form of unhampered government which very importantly included the creation of various regulatory agencies which the Constitution did not actually give them the power to do.

So, through Progressive disregard of constitutional limitations, we have arrived incrementally at a point where one election can enable Progressives to remove their mask and just openly begin to fill their wish list, as well as continue to create new wishes. One election can turn the court into the Progressive yes man against any challenges to what a Progressive administration desires.

You didn't answer when I asked you what does your conscience tell you about which party will protect your signature quote “Americans have the right and advantage of being armed, unlike the people of other countries, whose leaders are afraid to trust them with arms.” – James Madison.

All it takes is a majority of Progressive Judges in SCOTUS to abolish the Second Amendment. Or any other Amendment or "unalienable right." Progressives don't believe there are such things as unalienable rights. They believe all rights are created by government and can be taken away or restricted by government.

The election is not about the person Trump. Voting for Biden because he, in your opinion, is a better person, can very well be voting against what you prize most in your form of government.

Ross once you wind him up.......

Yea those oppressive regulations were really holding the economy back. And I forgot the SCOTUS has the power to dissolve amendments :rollem:
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Yea those oppressive regulations were really holding the economy back.

Yes they were that's one of the reasons the economy quickly expanded after the regs were dropped.

And I forgot the SCOTUS has the power to dissolve amendments :rollem:
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When Judges rule by personal preference rather than constitutional text, it then becomes a numbers game. Five or more votes decides. Simple as that. Progressive jurisprudence promotes, among other things, adjudication by what are perceived as higher moral principles or social justice rather than strict adherence to text.

Simply bring a test case to the court to challenge previous rulings or text, have five or more thoroughly Progressive Judges on the court . . . voila . . . change.

Yes they were that's one of the reasons the economy quickly expanded after the regs were dropped.
That’s not even remotely true. Not sure if you’re just blatantly lying or ignorant.

When Judges rule by personal preference rather than constitutional text, it then becomes a numbers game. Five or more votes decides. Simple as that. Progressive jurisprudence promotes, among other things, adjudication by what are perceived as higher moral principles or social justice rather than strict adherence to text.

Simply bring a test case to the court to challenge previous rulings or text, have five or more thoroughly Progressive Judges on the court . . . voila . . . change.
Still doesn’t invalidate an amendment.

Next.
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That’s not even remotely true. Not sure if you’re just blatantly lying or ignorant.

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prickly snowflake

prickly snowflake
Both hands on the keyboard.
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Clinton non scandals
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:rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
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There is the SD we all know, couldn’t help yourself, just like your guy; neither of you can stop the inner self.
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Our guy

That’s not even remotely true. Not sure if you’re just blatantly lying or ignorant.

The claim may be exaggerated, but some deregulation helped along with the tax cuts and with the generally pro business tenor.

Still doesn’t invalidate an amendment.

The Court can basically void an amendment by neglect. And by "interpreting" it on the basis of "need" or "good reason" or any problem of gun violence that it deems that it currently deems so egregious that public safety requires gun ownership to be restricted to near uselessness in the case of the 2A.

This article notices a trend in that direction: https://dailycaller.com/2020/06/16/supreme-court-refuses-to-hear-second-amendment-cases/

Next.
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Elections and the Court. And the Constitution.

How is politely asking a big baby to move out of the Country an insult, and who is Bruce?

Bruce is the moderator who was crying like a baby.
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I am not worried about you.
Peg will keep your diapers clean

It's amazing how you canceling resort to personal insults. Talking about people's wives is about as low as it gets.
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It's amazing how you canceling resort to personal insults. Talking about people's wives is about as low as it gets.
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I know.

Talking about people’s wives is as low as it gets.

Now, if I had a bacon-wife, I’d prolly be a little more nicer.
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I know.

Talking about people’s wives is as low as it gets.

Now, if I had a bacon-wife, I’d prolly be a little more nicer.
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Like I've said many times, just like Trump can't help lying on a daily basis, SD's nature is to insult and the nastier the better; which is why he is dying now that he promised the boss to behave.

Like I've said many times, just like Trump can't help lying on a daily basis, SD's nature is to insult and the nastier the better; which is why he is dying now that he promised the boss to behave.

One of the best things about my COVID Summer Vacation is that I have no boss.

Specially not one that wears a skirt.
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Like I've said many times, just like Trump can't help lying on a daily basis, SD's nature is to insult and the nastier the better; which is why he is dying now that he promised the boss to behave.

We must have a different idea of what behaving means:laugha:

Wow, just wow.... I have to take a step back when I hear this argument. If "the most powerful criminal and intel organization in the country," ( I believe you mean the Democratic party operatives) could not secure an impeachment, then I question the title you have chosen to give them. This is all too extreme, for me at least, to even consider as credible. And if true, then we are just plain fuc ked anyway.

By the powerful criminal and intel organization in the country, I did, as Slipknot said, mean the FBI (as well as its international corollary the CIA. The Democrat party is not an intel org). But I did say that the Dems were complicit.

When you say you have to take a step back when you here this argument, and that it is all too extreme for you to even consider as credible, I would guess that's because the major media has not reported it, but, on the contrary, has ridiculed it all as "conspiricy theories."

Consider this fairly brief but to the point article in The Hill which covers only some of the material that is being declassified and reconsider what you think is too extreme to consider credible:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/more-willful-blindness-by-the-media-on-spying-by-obama-administration/ar-BB17bltr?ocid=msnews

Tin foil hats are a bit too tight!

Tin foil hats are a bit too tight!

Great insight. Game changer.

Raw intelligence and evidence are two very different things.
Destroying trust of sources in our intelligence community will have long lasting effects.
Putin’s very happy with the Trumplicans performance and so is the CCP
Congratulations
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Raw intelligence and evidence are two very different things.

blah, blah

Destroying trust of sources in our intelligence community will have long lasting effects.

Apparently, it was more important for some in intel to try to get rid of Trump than to be concerned with maintaining trust in themselves. What Comey and other of his minions have done in trying to illegally change the outcome of an election may have long lasting effects.

Putin’s very happy with the Trumplicans performance and so is the CCP

Putin and especially the CCP are very happy with the phony media knee cap of Trump, and with the destruction of the American economy caused by locking down the economy because of the virus.

Congratulations


Congratulate yourself. You're posts are part of the narrative that hides the duplicity of those who are trying to bring the Progressives to power which opens the door to transforming our system of government from one based on classical liberal emphasis on the unalienable rights of the individual to one which prescribes all rights and promotes them as belonging to various groups at the expense of other groups. And transforms our system founded on limited government to one of unlimited government power.

Congratulate yourself. You're posts are part of the narrative that hides the duplicity of those who are trying to bring the Progressives to power which opens the door to transforming our system of government from one based on classical liberal emphasis on the unalienable rights of the individual to one which prescribes all rights and promotes them as belonging to various groups at the expense of other groups. And transforms our system founded on limited government to one of unlimited government power.

Fun fact: When he is kicked out of office, Trump is no longer immune from criminal indictments.
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Fun fact: When he is kicked out of office, Trump is no longer immune from criminal indictments.
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You do have this inordinate delight in sadistic humor. It's one of the first signs of a serial killer.

Tweety is a serial criminal
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Tweety is a serial criminal
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Like I've said, you're a lot like him.

Unlike Teeety,I have no fear of indictment
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Unlike Teeety,I have no fear of indictment
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Unlike T, you don't have to worry because nobody cares about you.

That’s OK
I have a Trump wall joke but it blows................over
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