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Jim in CT
03-16-2020, 01:34 PM
I posted that Trump restricted travel from China very early in the coronavirus developments, and that he was criticized for doing so. I posted many links for RIROCKHOUND.

Spence, perhaps suffering from menstrual issues, is denying that I supported my claim, Paul claims that only a small time mayor criticized Trump.

Here's an article from the NYPost ( obviously a right wing outlet, no denying that), which claims:

Biden called Trumps travel ban "hysteria", "xenophobioc", and "fear-mongering."

China called him racist

CNN warned it could backfire by making China upset (that's what the POTUS is supposed to make policy around, during a global pandemic, China's feelings)

WHO director said it would increase fear

If the author of this piece fabricated these accusations, she deserves to be fired...

https://nypost.com/2020/03/01/criticisms-of-trumps-coronavirus-response-are-sickening-devine/


And here's what Chuck Schumer tweeted about the Chinese travel restrictions:

"The premature travel ban to and from China by the current administration is just an excuse to further his ongoing war against immigrants. "

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2020/02/chuck_schumer_quietly_deletes_his_tweet_criticizin g_trumps_china_travel_ban_as_premature_and_war_aga inst_immigrants.html

Paul S, you claimed I was hanging my hat on what a small town mayor said. Instead, I'm relying on Biden, Schumer, and CNN. Is that good enough for you? Is that the same as relying on a small town mayor? Or do I have a valid point? You tell us if I have a better point than I would if I only quoted a small town mayor...

PaulS
03-16-2020, 01:39 PM
He is xenophobic. Do you deny that?

detbuch
03-16-2020, 02:26 PM
He is xenophobic. Do you deny that?

He isn't.

spence
03-16-2020, 02:31 PM
Jim should read his own links, do a little work.

Jim in CT
03-16-2020, 02:53 PM
He is xenophobic. Do you deny that?

A xenophobe is someone prejudiced against those from other countries. He is married to someone from another country. So even though he's a crappy husband and she is white and hot, xenophpbe isn't the word I'd use. "Azzhole" I smore along the lines of what I'd use, he definitely shows a lack of empathy.

At a minimum, he's not shy about throwing little people from other nations under the bus, if he thinks it will help Americans. I haven't decided yet, if that's a bad trait in an American President.

Anyway, to your point, IN GENERAL he's not as respectful as he should be, to our neighbors.

But more to the point of this thread, I don't think his travel ban was the least bit xenophobic. I think it was a principled response to an obvious public health threat. Do you think it was xenophobic to restrict travel from China in response to the Chinese outbreak of this disease? Any chance you can answer that question? Any chance at all?

Again, all you can do in response to my post, all you can do, is criticize Trump. You can't just say "it's idiotic for others to assume the travel ban was rooted in xenophobia or racism, and idiot can see the benefit of such restrictions in the early days of such an outbreak".

You could also admit that people with larger megaphones than mayor of a dinky town, said what I claimed they said. Would that kill you?

Jim in CT
03-16-2020, 02:56 PM
Jim should read his own links, do a little work.

You're just useless now. I tried, I made the exact posts you asked for. But because these posts indicate that someone to the left of center said some things they shouldn't have said, you can't process it, your brain shuts down there.

For Gods sake man, you hid from here for months because your candidate didn't win. who does that? Grow a pair, and admit to yourself that there's good and bad on both sides.

PaulS
03-16-2020, 02:56 PM
ABut more to the point of this thread, I don't think his travel ban was the least bit xenophobic. I think it was a principled response to an obvious public health threat. Do you think it was xenophobic to restrict travel from China in response to the Chinese outbreak of this disease? Any chance you can answer that question? Any chance at all?

Again, all you can do in response to my post, all you can do, is criticize Trump. You can't just say "it's idiotic for others to assume the travel ban was rooted in xenophobia or racism, and idiot can see the benefit of such restrictions in the early days of such an outbreak".

You could also admit that people with larger megaphones than mayor of a dinky town, said what I claimed they said. Would that kill you?

And can you admit that just bc a few people say something and they have the same political leaning doesn't mean that all people of that group believe it.

And I made up the quote of the mayor to illustrate that point.

spence
03-16-2020, 03:09 PM
You're just useless now. I tried, I made the exact posts you asked for. But because these posts indicate that someone to the left of center said some things they shouldn't have said, you can't process it, your brain shuts down there.
READ YOUR OWN LINKS.

For Gods sake man, you hid from here for months because your candidate didn't win. who does that? Grow a pair, and admit to yourself that there's good and bad on both sides.
Get some new material.

Jim in CT
03-16-2020, 03:21 PM
And can you admit that just bc a few people say something and they have the same political leaning doesn't mean that all people of that group believe it.

And I made up the quote of the mayor to illustrate that point.

I asked if the travel ban could, looking at it through the lense of what was happening, be reasonably considered to be bigoted.

You responded by insulting me. You can't just concede my point.

Paul, obviously, not every single person who voted for Hilary, thinks the travel restrictions were bigoted. But did any influential liberals, defend the ban, when other influential liberals claimed it was bigoted?

The best you can do, is tell me I'm wrong when I say "liberals don't like Trump", because it's not true in literally 100% of the cases. That's not nit-picking.

Maybe one day you can answer the question I ask...

Jim in CT
03-16-2020, 03:22 PM
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Get some new material.

OK. For the 100th time, can you tell us why dips in the stock market are bad for anyone who (1) doesn't need the money soon, and (2) contributes regularly to a 401k or IRA? I asked that many times, you won't answer.

detbuch
03-16-2020, 03:37 PM
A xenophobe is someone prejudiced against those from other countries. He is married to someone from another country. So even though he's a crappy husband and she is white and hot, xenophpbe isn't the word I'd use. "Azzhole" I smore along the lines of what I'd use, he definitely shows a lack of empathy.

His first wife, Ivana, was also from another country. The lefties on this forum keep criticizing him for being cozy to foreign leaders from countries who they say are our enemies. He has better relations with Israel than many of our beloved leaders. People like PaulS and PeteF and Spence like to have it both ways. They're either mistaken, or liars, or political hacks, or they are just trolling you.

At a minimum, he's not shy about throwing little people from other nations under the bus, if he thinks it will help Americans. I haven't decided yet, if that's a bad trait in an American President.

??? What are you talking about?

Anyway, to your point, IN GENERAL he's not as respectful as he should be, to our neighbors.

I don't know of a specified or codified proper amount of respect, quantifiable or otherwise, that he is supposed to show. He doesn't seem to show any more lack of respect to various Americans as he has, if he has, than to our neighbors. He does have an in-built trigger to throw back insults to those, from any country, who trash him.

But more to the point of this thread, I don't think his travel ban was the least bit xenophobic. I think it was a principled response to an obvious public health threat. Do you think it was xenophobic to restrict travel from China in response to the Chinese outbreak of this disease? Any chance you can answer that question? Any chance at all?

Again, all you can do in response to my post, all you can do, is criticize Trump. You can't just say "it's idiotic for others to assume the travel ban was rooted in xenophobia or racism, and idiot can see the benefit of such restrictions in the early days of such an outbreak".

You could also admit that people with larger megaphones than mayor of a dinky town, said what I claimed they said. Would that kill you?

Quit trying to be fair with these guys who are not fair with you. To begin with, understand this: they are mostly full of $hit. Mostly, they are not worth responding to. They have been so totally wrong about Trump, and his supposed collusions and obstructions and supposed racism, and all his supposed phobes and Nazism, etc. They have, for whatever reason, some form of TSD, or just plain hate him. Their post re him range from simple bias to irrational rants. They are not worth trying to have a fair, rational discussion with.

I've pretty much quit trying. Sea Dangles has a good approach to them. Scottw pretty much has it about right to throw snide, as PaulS might call it, at them. But if it makes you feel better . . . keep trying. And good luck with that.

Jim in CT
03-16-2020, 03:48 PM
Quit trying to be fair with these guys who are not fair with you. To begin with, understand this: they are mostly full of $hit. Mostly, they are not worth responding to. They have been so totally wrong about Trump, and his supposed collusions and obstructions and supposed racism, and all his supposed phobes and Nazism, etc. They have, for whatever reason, some form of TSD, or just plain hate him. Their post re him range from simple bias to irrational rants. They are not worth trying to have a fair, rational discussion with.

I've pretty much quit trying. Sea Dangles has a good approach to them. Scottw pretty much has it about right to throw snide, as PaulS might call it, at them. But if it makes you feel better . . . keep trying. And good luck with that.

It's a complete waste of time, with all of them except Bryan.

RIROCKHOUND
03-16-2020, 03:58 PM
Jim I would drop the 'hid from here' shtick. I know Spence offline as well as on here, and that had nothing to do with why he wasn't posting.
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RIROCKHOUND
03-16-2020, 04:03 PM
OK. For the 100th time, can you tell us why dips in the stock market are bad for anyone who (1) doesn't need the money soon, and (2) contributes regularly to a 401k or IRA? I asked that many times, you won't answer.

It can be a great buying opportunity if that is how your retirement is structured. If you are saving up and putting a Roth payment in after taxes as a lump sum, then it is much more luck of the draw. Hopefully everyone retiring in the next few years is in low risk investments.....
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RIROCKHOUND
03-16-2020, 04:08 PM
OK. For the 100th time, can you tell us why dips in the stock market are bad for anyone who (1) doesn't need the money soon, and (2) contributes regularly to a 401k or IRA? I asked that many times, you won't answer.

It can be a great buying opportunity if that is how your retirement is structured. If you are saving up and putting a Roth payment in after taxes as a lump sum, then it is much more luck of the draw. Hopefully everyone retiring in the next few years is in low risk investments.....
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Pete F.
03-16-2020, 04:22 PM
Here's a clue
A Bear market isn't a dip.
2nd clue
Don't listen to 2nd rate people
The DOW has dropped ~4,400 points since Larry Kudlow said that COVIDー19 was contained and that investors should buy the dip in the stock market.

PaulS
03-16-2020, 04:49 PM
I asked if the travel ban could, looking at it through the lense of what was happening, be reasonably considered to be bigoted.

You responded by insulting me. You can't just concede my point.

Paul, obviously, not every single person who voted for Hilary, thinks the travel restrictions were bigoted. But did any influential liberals, defend the ban, when other influential liberals claimed it was bigoted?

The best you can do, is tell me I'm wrong when I say "liberals don't like Trump", because it's not true in literally 100% of the cases. That's not nit-picking.

Maybe one day you can answer the question I ask...

It could look as bigoted to some. I believe it didn't include Americans returning and some health experts said that bc of that it wasn't as effective.

While I think he is xeno. I try not look at one incidence and claim bc of that one incidence someone is or isn't something.

So if you want to think his banning flights from China was good, good for you - other may not agree.

PaulS
03-16-2020, 04:49 PM
Jim I would drop the 'hid from here' shtick. I know Spence offline as well as on here, and that had nothing to do with why he wasn't posting.
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You have told him that in the past.

wdmso
03-16-2020, 04:59 PM
If your retirement is in 3 years or less and road the market your screwed .. i know guys who've taken 100k to150k hits they'll never get that back before there retirement
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Got Stripers
03-16-2020, 05:18 PM
Quit trying to be fair with these guys who are not fair with you. To begin with, understand this: they are mostly full of $hit. Mostly, they are not worth responding to. They have been so totally wrong about Trump, and his supposed collusions and obstructions and supposed racism, and all his supposed phobes and Nazism, etc. They have, for whatever reason, some form of TSD, or just plain hate him. Their post re him range from simple bias to irrational rants. They are not worth trying to have a fair, rational discussion with.

I've pretty much quit trying. Sea Dangles has a good approach to them. Scottw pretty much has it about right to throw snide, as PaulS might call it, at them. But if it makes you feel better . . . keep trying. And good luck with that.

No surprise you would defend him to the bitter end. What I see is that Trump didn’t want to learn from other counties experience with this virus, he instead tried for the longest time to downplay this virus and it’s seriousness. Now he and the entire country are playing catch-up and taking the extreme measures we probably would have seen as needed earlier, had we been willing to see what happened in other countries. It’s been reported repeatedly that Trump absolutely doesn’t want to hear what he doesn’t want to hear and that’s a big price to pay in these circumstances. Don’t debate I won’t miss your blue font one sided blinders in place view on this administration.

detbuch
03-16-2020, 05:54 PM
No surprise you would defend him to the bitter end. What I see is that Trump didn’t want to learn from other counties experience with this virus, he instead tried for the longest time to downplay this virus and it’s seriousness. Now he and the entire country are playing catch-up and taking the extreme measures we probably would have seen as needed earlier, had we been willing to see what happened in other countries. It’s been reported repeatedly that Trump absolutely doesn’t want to hear what he doesn’t want to hear and that’s a big price to pay in these circumstances. Don’t debate I won’t miss your blue font one sided blinders in place view on this administration.

"what I see" and "It's been reported"--it must be true if YOU "see" it and it has "been reported". Not.

Got Stripers
03-16-2020, 05:57 PM
OMG such a shocking response NOT, what no debate, no sprawling blue font?

detbuch
03-16-2020, 06:32 PM
OMG such a shocking response NOT, what no debate, no sprawling blue font?

Your post didn't merit any sprawling. It was the usual worthless, meaningless, ridiculous opinion. My post to Jim was a train of discussion that began with PaulS claiming Trump is a xenophobe. That is patently ridiculous as we both pointed out. But it is the typical misinformed opinion like most of the personal anti-Trump stuff you guys post.

And you responded that I defended Trump to the bitter end. What end? What bitter? As you would put it "what are you smoking?" We easily debunked the notion of Trump being a xenophobe--and you claim it was defending him to some bitter end--like the truth?

Got Stripers
03-16-2020, 07:21 PM
Seems our local government which I trust over our federal response has taken appropriate hard measures and only after its apparent to even a Trump, his rhetoric finally shifted. I wasn’t adding to a debate I wasn’t a part of, only that your post claims we have been all wrong in our assessment of a Trump’s every action or policy decision and that is as wrong as his handling of this outbreak.

Jim in CT
03-16-2020, 07:26 PM
Jim I would drop the 'hid from here' shtick. I know Spence offline as well as on here, and that had nothing to do with why he wasn't posting.
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coming from you, i’ll
do that. and I apologize to him. if you could ever get around to suggest that he refrain from the endless lobbing of baseless insults, that would also help.
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Jim in CT
03-16-2020, 07:30 PM
It can be a great buying opportunity if that is how your retirement is structured. If you are saving up and putting a Roth payment in after taxes as a lump sum, then it is much more luck of the draw. Hopefully everyone retiring in the next few years is in low risk investments.....
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exactly true. always risky to put money in once a year.
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Jim in CT
03-16-2020, 07:32 PM
It could look as bigoted to some. I believe it didn't include Americans returning and some health experts said that bc of that it wasn't as effective.

While I think he is xeno. I try not look at one incidence and claim bc of that one incidence someone is or isn't something.

So if you want to think his banning flights from China was good, good for you - other may not agree.
i admitted it could
look bigoted to some. Like Biden and Schumer.

is it reasonable, to assume
it was bigoted?

are you really this dense?
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PaulS
03-16-2020, 08:25 PM
i admitted it could
look bigoted to some. Like Biden and Schumer.

is it reasonable, to assume
it was bigoted?

are you really this dense?
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And are you really so dense that you fall to understand that you can be a xenophobe but marry a person from another country. The definition doesn't mean you hate every person from every foreign country. Your example of mentioning his wife is like my saying Hitler didnt hate the Jews because he had a friend who was Jewish.
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detbuch
03-16-2020, 08:28 PM
Seems our local government which I trust over our federal response has taken appropriate hard measures and only after its apparent to even a Trump, his rhetoric finally shifted. I wasn’t adding to a debate I wasn’t a part of, only that your post claims we have been all wrong in our assessment of a Trump’s every action or policy decision and that is as wrong as his handling of this outbreak.

If you can't read what is written, how can your opinion about it be trusted? I didn't say that you "have been all wrong in our assessment of a[sic] Trump’s every action or policy decision." But it is typical of you to misquote, misunderstand, change the subject, shift the rhetoric, and just plain be wrong. It's a waste of time, as I'm stupidly doing now, responding to you, or, especially, trying to have a rational discussion with you.

scottw
03-16-2020, 08:32 PM
And are you really so dense that you fall to understand that you can be a xenophobe but marry a person from another country. The definition doesn't mean you hate every person from every foreign country. Your example of mentioning his wife is like my saying Hitler didnt hate the Jews because he had a friend who was Jewish.
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you really need a vacation from this....go practice and come back

Got Stripers
03-16-2020, 08:37 PM
Shifting rhetoric how Trump like that statement is and no I don’t read much of the constant endless never ending debates, but just happened on your statement and generalization of everyone that isn’t in lock step with you, Scott, Jim or the child SD. Frankly don’t care to read past posts to catch up on wherever that debate was about, participating is pointless as they are always circular and never ending.
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scottw
03-16-2020, 08:39 PM
Shifting rhetoric how Trump like that statement is and no I don’t read much of the constant endless never ending debates, but just happened on your statement and generalization of everyone that isn’t in lock step with you, Scott, Jim or the child SD. Frankly don’t care to read past posts to catch up on wherever that debate was about, participating is pointless as they are always circular and never ending.
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you do tend to chase your tail...

PaulS
03-16-2020, 08:45 PM
you really need a vacation from this....go practice and come backI've missed your snarkiness. is everything okay? Changing hooks out?
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Jim in CT
03-16-2020, 09:37 PM
Paul, Trump is the best friend that Israel has ever had in the white house. Israel, in case you didn’t know, is another country. How many millions of foreigners does he have to support, before youd say he doesn’t hate foreigners?

You criticized the original travel ban for not going far enough - americans we’re allowed to return from china. But Biden and Schumer said the ban was too
much and not necessary. What do you think of that?

Biden claimed trump should not have restricted chinese from traveling here. He went further and said the ban was racist.

You said the ban didn’t go far enough, but you cannot bring yourself to say Biden was dead wrong.

You’re trying to have it both ways. You’re saying Trump didn’t go far enough, yet you won’t say Biden was wrong for saying Trump went way too far. By what logic does that make sense?
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Pete F.
03-16-2020, 10:57 PM
Trump* will be forever known as the President who was so full of 💩 the whole country ran out of toilet paper.
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RIROCKHOUND
03-17-2020, 05:23 AM
coming from you, i’ll
do that. and I apologize to him. if you could ever get around to suggest that he refrain from the endless lobbing of baseless insults, that would also help.
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Great.
I read some not all of the links. Trying to squeeze some work time around having the kids home. Other than the daily worker equivalent, I didn't see them calling people it a racist move.

As far as the baseless insults I missed where you suggested SD refrain from insults and Scott for being snarky. Its what people do here for the most part. I roll my eyes and skip posts that are dumb, but that's just me.
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Jim in CT
03-17-2020, 05:57 AM
I didn't see them calling people it a racist move.

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Read Bidens and Schumers comment. Did they call it xenophobic? Is xenophobia a form of bigotry, or is it a compliment?

Jim in CT
03-17-2020, 05:58 AM
Trump* will be forever known as the President who was so full of �� the whole country ran out of toilet paper.
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Right, it's his fault people are hoarding it.

The country isn't "out of toilet paper", there's plenty. It's being hoarded by jerks.

scottw
03-17-2020, 06:20 AM
and Scott for being "snarky".



I need a tee shirt with that on it

Pete F.
03-17-2020, 06:28 AM
Right, it's his fault people are hoarding it.

The country isn't "out of toilet paper", there's plenty. It's being hoarded by jerks.

All defense all the time
It’s a joke
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Pete F.
03-17-2020, 06:54 AM
If you want to get all butthurt about what someone said, try fitting this into your narrative

"He's a race-baiting, xenophobic, religious bigot," Graham continued.
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RIROCKHOUND
03-17-2020, 06:58 AM
I need a tee shirt with that on it

You are pretty snarky. 😄

I just scroll by rather than get offended 😉
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Pete F.
03-17-2020, 07:08 AM
BREAKING: Due to massive incompetence and inexplicable delay, WHO to rename Covid-19 to Covfefe-45.
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Sea Dangles
03-17-2020, 07:13 AM
All defense all the time
It’s a joke
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It’s offense all the time
It’s a joke
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PaulS
03-17-2020, 09:42 AM
Paul, Trump is the best friend that Israel has ever had in the white house. Israel, in case you didn’t know, is another country. How many millions of foreigners does he have to support, before youd say he doesn’t hate foreigners?

You criticized the original travel ban for not going far enough - americans we’re allowed to return from china. But Biden and Schumer said the ban was too
much and not necessary. What do you think of that?

Biden claimed trump should not have restricted chinese from traveling here. He went further and said the ban was racist.

You said the ban didn’t go far enough, but you cannot bring yourself to say Biden was dead wrong.

You’re trying to have it both ways. You’re saying Trump didn’t go far enough, yet you won’t say Biden was wrong for saying Trump went way too far. By what logic does that make sense?
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It's never been understood to mean each and every foreigner so he could marry one or like foreigners from one country and hate foreigners from a host of other countries.

Can you pls. pull up the Schumer quote as I have not seen it?

Every person can have a different idea if a policy is good or not. I'm agnostic on whether it was or not. That is why I said earlier damn if you do or damn if you don't and if you think it was good - good for you. Overall I think he has done a terrible job (lying, blaming others, down playing it, not wanting to bring the Americans back bc he didn't want the #s to go up, his lack of empathy, his horrible speech, refusing to take any responsibility, etc). Yesterday he seemed to be doing a better job by finally realizing this isn't going away. He won't get a 10 from me regardless of how he ranks himself.

He should just let Fauci talk.

Do you agree you seem to want people to praise Trump for some reason?

PaulS
03-17-2020, 09:47 AM
If you want to get all butthurt about what someone said, try fitting this into your narrative

"He's a race-baiting, xenophobic, religious bigot," Graham continued.
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That is different bc Graham now loves him.

The Dad Fisherman
03-17-2020, 10:58 AM
That is different bc Graham now loves him.

things change, kinda like Hillary's stance on Gay Marriage and Immigration

detbuch
03-17-2020, 11:26 AM
It's never been understood to mean each and every foreigner so he could marry one or like foreigners from one country and hate foreigners from a host of other countries.



Is there a certain number of foreigners that must be hated from a country before it can be considered xenophobic? Is it, like, over 50, or over a thousand, or more, or less?

Of Trump's three wives, two have been from other countries--two different countries. He certainly exhibits an affinity toward Israel. He has praised many other countries for various reasons. He claims to be on friendly terms with representatives of most of the many countries he politically or commercially deals with. I have never heard him say that all or most of the people from any country are hateful or contemptible. Temporarily banning people from certain countries because of some medical or safety concerns is not xenophobia. Nor is saying something like Mexico is not sending its best people. And to claim that Haiti is a $hit country is comparatively true and does not mean that the people are $hitty or to be hated. And none of these things are evidence, nor, certainly, verification of xenophobia.

Pete F.
03-17-2020, 11:59 AM
He's trying to find a name that reverberates with his base for this virus, it's just one part of his campaign to blame the incompetence of this administration on others.

Here's another and more gaslighting will come

Trump, who not a month ago characterized Democratic criticism of the coronavirus response as a "hoax," now claims, "I felt it was a pandemic long before it was called a pandemic."

PaulS
03-17-2020, 02:17 PM
After President Donald Trump called the novel coronavirus “the Chinese Virus” in a tweet Monday, an evangelical leader responded by calling the label “unacceptable,” warning that it “instigates blame, racism, and hatred against Asians.”

On Monday, Trump tweeted his confidence in American industries before calling the spread of the coronavirus or COVID-19, “the Chinese Virus.”

“The United States will be powerfully supporting those industries, like Airlines and others, that are particularly affected by the Chinese Virus. We will be stronger than ever before!”

In a reply, Eugene Cho, a former pastor of a Seattle church who was just tapped to begin leading a large Christian nonprofit called Bread for the World in July, suggested that calling the coronavirus the "Chinese virus" could be dangerous. Cho said in an interview Monday that he was not speaking on behalf of the Washington-based hunger and poverty-fighting organization and is still living in Seattle, one of the epicenters of the outbreaks in the United States.



"Mr. President: This is not acceptable," he wrote in his tweet. "Calling it the "Chinese virus" only instigates blame, racism, and hatred against Asians - here and abroad. We need leadership that speaks clearly against racism; Leadership that brings the nation and world together. Not further divides."

Jim in CT
03-17-2020, 02:52 PM
things change, kinda like Hillary's stance on Gay Marriage and Immigration

For decades, Graham wanted to be known as the Democrats' favorite Republican. Then the Kavanaugh hearings happened, and he saw the democrats in a different light. It took a few decades too long, but he woke up.

Jim in CT
03-17-2020, 02:59 PM
It's never been understood to mean each and every foreigner so he could marry one or like foreigners from one country and hate foreigners from a host of other countries.

Can you pls. pull up the Schumer quote as I have not seen it?

Every person can have a different idea if a policy is good or not. I'm agnostic on whether it was or not. That is why I said earlier damn if you do or damn if you don't and if you think it was good - good for you. Overall I think he has done a terrible job (lying, blaming others, down playing it, not wanting to bring the Americans back bc he didn't want the #s to go up, his lack of empathy, his horrible speech, refusing to take any responsibility, etc). Yesterday he seemed to be doing a better job by finally realizing this isn't going away. He won't get a 10 from me regardless of how he ranks himself.

He should just let Fauci talk.

Do you agree you seem to want people to praise Trump for some reason?

"It's never been understood to mean each and every foreigner "

I already said I agree with that. How many foreigners does one have to go to bat for, before you'd decide he's not a xenophobe?

"I'm agnostic on whether it was or not."

Fine. But for the 4th or 5th time, is it reasonable to assume the policy was rooted in bigotry?

Schumers line was in the thread I started the thread got removed...
"travel ban to and from China by the current administration is just an excuse to further his ongoing war against immigrants. "
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No possible justifiable medical reason, just an excuse to hurt immigrants. No possible benefit for Americans, nope.

What gets me is the same people who attacked him for the travel restrictions, are now saying he didn't do enough. And no one can criticize what Biden or Schumer said.

Pete F.
03-17-2020, 03:06 PM
Graham has kissed butts for any possible political opportunity his entire career.

“I think the Lindsey Graham we’re seeing today is the real Lindsey Graham,” Former Rep. David Jolly (R-FL) said. “This is a political opportunist who will flop with the winds and do whatever it takes to serve his own self-interest. That’s who he is.”

When Mark Leibovich asked him what had happened to him, Graham explained:

“Well, OK, from my point of view, if you know anything about me, it’d be odd not to do this,” he said.

I asked what “this” was.

“ ‘This,’ ” Graham said, “is to try to be relevant.” Politics, he explained, was the art of what works and what brings desired outcomes. “I’ve got an opportunity up here working with the president to get some really good outcomes for the country,” he told me.

George Will
When in 1994, Graham, a South Carolina Republican, first ran for Congress, he promised to be “one less vote for an agenda that makes you want to throw up.” A quarter of a century later, Graham himself is a gastrointestinal challenge. In the last three years he had a road-to-Damascus conversion.

In 2015, he said Donald Trump is a “jackass.” In February 2016, he said: “I’m not going to try to get into the mind of Donald Trump, because I don’t think there’s a whole lot of space there. I think he’s a kook, I think he’s crazy, I think he’s unfit for office.” And: “I’m a Republican and he’s not. He’s not a conservative Republican. He’s an opportunist.” Today, Graham, paladin of conservatism and scourge of opportunism, says building the border wall is an existential matter for the GOP: “If we undercut the president, that’s the end of his presidency and the end of our party.” Well.

scottw
03-17-2020, 05:18 PM
You are pretty snarky. 😄

I just scroll by rather than get offended 😉
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RIROCKHOUND
03-17-2020, 05:28 PM
I would never want to offend you :love:

Meaning it doesn't offend me and I scroll past, not that I skip it to not get offended, Dumbass 😜
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