Some say that in spite of constant disinformation in the media and on this forum, Trump has done what the limits of his office allows and has done the proper thing by inviting and asking for state and local governments as well as the private sector to all join in the effort to keep the casualties from the virus as low as possible.

Has he?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIW8ldz7rjo

Keep up your hopes,Bitchslappedboy.
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Just think, 20 more votes and at least we’d have Pence in charge.
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The above video is a compilation of incomplete statements. They have cut out remarks that included the possibility that things could get worse. It was made to look as though Trump didn't think there was anything to worry about, that it was totally under control and without a doubt would soon be over. He was obviously trying to keep a public calm rather than ginning up a panic.

It is just another "fake news" kind of crap. Not helpful in keeping the public from overreacting.

That’s simply baloney
Feel free to go back and find anything that supports that
Trump* was always unequivocally sure of his position and allowed no opposing positions in his followers
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That's simply baloney

I saw videos with the full context of what he said, and it was not as simple as your edited video portrays.

That's simply baloney

I saw videos with the full context of what he said, and it was not as simple as your edited video portrays.

‘I don’t take responsibility at all.’

‘I don’t take responsibility at all.’

Again . . . don't quote entire statement ploy. Sneaky sleazy

Jan. 22: “It’s going to be just fine. We have it totally under control.”

Jan. 24 (tweet):China has been working very hard to contain the Coronavirus. The United States greatly appreciates their efforts and transparency. It will all work out well. In particular, on behalf of the American People, I want to thank President Xi!

Jan. 30: “We think we have it very well under control. We have very little problem in this country at this moment

Feb. 7 (tweet):Just had a long and very good conversation by phone with President Xi of China. He is strong, sharp and powerfully focused on leading the counterattack on the Coronavirus. He feels they are doing very well, even building hospitals in a matter of only days. Nothing is easy, but.......he will be successful, especially as the weather starts to warm & the virus hopefully becomes weaker, and then gone. Great discipline is taking place in China, as President Xi strongly leads what will be a very successful operation. We are working closely with China to help!

Feb. 10: “I think the virus is going to be — it’s going to be fine.”

Feb. 14: “We have a very small number of people in the country, right now, with it. It’s like around 12. Many of them are getting better. Some are fully recovered already. So we’re in very good shape.”

Feb. 19: “I think it’s going to work out fine. I think when we get into April, in the warmer weather, that has a very negative effect on that and that type of a virus. So let’s see what happens, but I think it’s going to work out fine.”

Feb. 24 (tweet): The Coronavirus is very much under control in the USA. We are in contact with everyone and all relevant countries. CDC & World Health have been working hard and very smart. Stock Market starting to look very good to me!

Feb 25: “You may ask about the coronavirus which is very well under control in our country. We have very few people with it & the people that have it are getting better. Theyre all getting better. As far as what we’re doing with the new virus I think that we’re doing a great job”

Feb. 26: “Because of all we’ve done, the risk to the American people remains very low. … When you have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero. That’s a pretty good job we’ve done."

Feb. 28: “I think it’s really going well. … We’re prepared for the worst, but we think we’re going to be very fortunate."

Feb. 28: “It’s going to disappear. One day, it’s like a miracle, it will disappear.”

Feb. 28: “This is their new hoax.”

March 4: “Some people will have this at a very light level and won’t even go to a doctor or hospital, and they’ll get better. There are many people like that.”

March 9 (tweet): The Coronavirus is very much under control in the USA. We are in contact with everyone and all relevant countries. CDC & World Health have been working hard and very smart. Stock Market starting to look very good to me!

March 9 (tweet): “So last year 37,000 Americans died from the common Flu. It averages between 27,000 and 70,000 per year. Nothing is shut down, life & the economy go on. At this moment there are 546 confirmed cases of CoronaVirus, with 22 deaths. Think about that!”

March 10: “And it hit the world. And we’re prepared, and we’re doing a great job with it. And it will go away. Just stay calm. It will go away.”

March 11: “I think we’re going to get through it very well.”

March 12: “It’s going to go away. The US, because of what I did and what the administration did with China, we have 32 deaths at this point … when you look at the kind of numbers that you’re seeing coming out of other countries, it’s pretty amazing when you think of it.”

March 15: “This is a very contagious virus. It’s incredible. But it’s something that we have tremendous control over.”

March 16: “If you’re talking about the virus, no, that’s not under control for any place in the world.”

March 17: “I’ve always known this is a, this is a real, this is a pandemic … I’ve felt that it was a pandemic long before it was called a pandemic.”

Again . . . don't quote entire statement ploy. Sneaky sleazy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOcY3XlzPzs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOcY3XlzPzs

So, the full context does indeed exonerate Trump and his administration from any cause of the delay. As I said in another thread, the regulations imposed by the previous administration was the cause of the delay and they had to be revised before the test kits could be provided.

Thanks for the full context.

So, the full context does indeed exonerate Trump and his administration from any cause of the delay. As I said in another thread, the regulations imposed by the previous administration was the cause of the delay and they had to be revised before the test kits could be provided.

Thanks for the full context.

Just how long does that take?

Apparently when "I alone" do things it is months

Just how long does that take?

Apparently when "I alone" do things it is months

blah, blah, blah

So, the full context does indeed exonerate Trump and his administration from any cause of the delay. As I said in another thread, the regulations imposed by the previous administration was the cause of the delay and they had to be revised before the test kits could be provided.

Thanks for the full context.

Just how long does that take?

Apparently when "I alone" do things it is months

blah, blah, blah

The President is responsible for administering the Government.
Trump* is incapable of doing that and it has led to most of his failures, his need to rule by executive action surpassing any of his predecessors and his destruction of the mechanism that exists.

We did not reach this point by accident. The right got the diminished government it wanted, led by the diminished president it celebrates and supports. And that is now killing us.

PS The producers of the Apprentice had to go to extreme editing lengths to make him appear competent ....

The President is responsible for administering the Government.

Administers, not legislates, the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. A pandemic is a worldwide problem requiring all facets of the private and public sectors to deal with it. Your notion that the President of the U.S. is somehow the controlling agent is not only nonsense, it is counterproductive as in your characterization "when 'I alone' do things it is months." Trump has not been "I alone." He has gathered a team (which even NY Governor Cuomo lauds) to implement plans and actions that the POTUS administers. The Congress, the States, the local governments, the entire private sector also must do their part, which is a huge part, much greater than the President's, as well. And that seems to be happening. Your bitching is not only unreasonable, it is destructive

Trump* is incapable of doing that and it has led to most of his failures, his need to rule by executive action surpassing any of his predecessors and his destruction of the mechanism that exists.

That is an unsubstantiated opinion. And a useless one that unnecessarily creates a depressing atmosphere when, rather, we need to work together.

We did not reach this point by accident. The right got the diminished government it wanted, led by the diminished president it celebrates and supports. And that is now killing us.

Diminished government? Diminished President? So your of the opinion that if we had more government including a more powerful President, all would be better? That's another argument for a different thread. At present, the point that your making, that it took too long to distribute test kits was the result of too much government regulation created by the previous Administration which was certainly in favor of greatly expanded government.

You ask how long it took to undo that regulation? Bureaucracies don't respond to mere snaps of fingers. It took the time that it took. Large bureaucratic government moves slowly.

PS The producers of the Apprentice had to go to extreme editing lengths to make him appear competent ....

More blah, blah, blah . . . .

More blah, blah, blah . . . .

You certainly are good at it

The defining characteristic of the Trump administration is its refusal to become any less incompetent than it was on day one, thanks to its contempt for expertise and its preference for ideology over reality.

Trump didn't cause the pandemic. What he did was squander America's only advantage—a lag time during which to prepare for the crisis—thus encouraging the spread of the disease when it might have been contained.

He has, in real and material ways, made this crisis worse.

You certainly are good at it

The defining characteristic of the Trump administration is its refusal to become any less incompetent than it was on day one, thanks to its contempt for expertise and its preference for ideology over reality.

Trump didn't cause the pandemic. What he did was squander America's only advantage—a lag time during which to prepare for the crisis—thus encouraging the spread of the disease when it might have been contained.

He has, in real and material ways, made this crisis worse.

Thanks for your authoritative and expert information.

Thanks for your authoritative and expert information.

Next you will claim that we should believe that as he now says, he knew there was a pandemic all along.

If that were true it is obvious that he willfully allowed the crisis to get worse.

Next you will claim that we should believe that as he now says, he knew there was a pandemic all along.

If that were true it is obvious that he willfully allowed the crisis to get worse.

I will not say that you are wrong. You are always right. You absolutely know everything worth knowing about Trump. So, I will only, with obeisance, say that, obviously in your favor, you are merely slightly mistaken. I would no longer dare to say anything . . . now that you have so forcefully, without even the need for verification of what smaller minds would claim to be your ridiculous opinions, proven that you are the ultimate authority on this forum on matters Trump. . . I would no longer dare to say anything you might disapprove of.

I will, thoroughly chastised, quietly hunker in my small space and gloriously continue to observe your indomitable efforts to bring down this tiny moral, ethical, social pismire called Trump. Or Orange man. Or the many other colorful, poignant, spot on, and crushing monikers you have employed in order to save our innocently ignorant ears from being infected by that evil birth name. :want:

Trump blames the Democrats , the evil media and of course the Chinese, the later do of course have responsibilities for transparency when something like this breaks out, but this administration has been lame. The downplay from the get go was wrong, the messaging since has been too little to late and now that he has the power to force manufacturers to crank out what is needed for our health care providers he isn’t going to take that step.

Trump blames the Democrats , the evil media and of course the Chinese, the later do of course have responsibilities for transparency when something like this breaks out, but this administration has been lame. The downplay from the get go was wrong, the messaging since has been too little to late and now that he has the power to force manufacturers to crank out what is needed for our health care providers he isn’t going to take that step.

Rep Omar and Governor Cuomo have been gushing with praise for Trump. True. You say the chinese are to blame, but that’s it’s lame that Trump says so.
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Rep Omar and Governor Cuomo have been gushing with praise for Trump. True. You say the chinese are to blame, but that’s it’s lame that Trump says so.
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What that habitual lier says at this point in this crisis means zip unless it’s tied to results, which this administration has been far to slow to present. But that’s Trump being Trump, find someone, anyone to blame, I need my image to hold up. Lied about testing, lied about how serious this is, now he has the ability to use his power to finally step up production of the masks and respirators so desperately needed and he won’t. Hey governors you want them you better be prepared to out bid me, his messaging is shameful.

What that habitual lier says at this point in this crisis means zip unless it’s tied to results, which this administration has been far to slow to present. But that’s Trump being Trump, find someone, anyone to blame, I need my image to hold up. Lied about testing, lied about how serious this is, now he has the ability to use his power to finally step up production of the masks and respirators so desperately needed and he won’t. Hey governors you want them you better be prepared to out bid me, his messaging is shameful.

you need to get some grief counseling or something....

you need to get some grief counseling or something....

Your apathy will be comforting to the first responders (my son being one), ER nurses and doctors or other health care workers who don’t have the supplies and are warning they will run out as this continues.

Your apathy will be comforting to the first responders (my son being one), ER nurses and doctors or other health care workers who don’t have the supplies and are warning they will run out as this continues.

your perpetual whining does absolutely nothing to help anyone :rude:

your perpetual whining does absolutely nothing to help anyone :rude:

Your apathy and defense of this sad sack administration is expected, does it comfort you that Trump won’t take the hard steps needed, especially when their actions are weeks or more behind where they should be. Be a leader enact the war powers act, mobilize the military to move supplies, stop lying to the American public, Pence and Trump are pathetic.

Your apathy will be comforting to the first responders (my son being one), ER nurses and doctors or other health care workers who don’t have the supplies and are warning they will run out as this continues.

I feel like they would all be embarrassed by your decision to take your stand on a fishing website. Grow a pair for goodness sakes. This whining accomplishes absolutely nothing. Does your first responder son realize this is how you are helping him! Shame on you.
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It's comical that people think that Trump* is not manipulated by flattery and not vindictive if he doesn't get it.

As Kim Darroch had written in the leaked memos months ago and which every diplomat and leader of another country either already knew or was then made aware of, Trump* is easily manipulated. Governors have learned and used this also.

Here's a synopsis of what he wrote:
Darroch recommended to British politicians and officials for staying on Trump’s winning side. Far more damaging to Trump than the standard trash-talking he receives every day, Darroch’s strategies portray the president as an emotionally frail child-man who can easily be manipulated. The method he suggests is to pay constant attention to Trump, dose him with flattery, and suck up to his friends and staff. Darroch, in the Mail on Sunday article, provides a road map for how journalists, politicians, diplomats and adversaries can manipulate Trump. Here’s a recap.

Flood the Zone.
Because Trump spends so much time in the Oval Office asking everybody for advice, the best way to sway Trump is to sway his familiars. “It's important to ‘flood the zone’: you want as many as possible of those who Trump consults to give him the same answer,” Darroch wrote. “So we need to be creative in using all the channels available to us through our relationships with his Cabinet, the White House staff, and our contacts among his outside friends.” Darroch bragged about having “cultivated” many of Trump's friends to influence him directly.

Be a Phone Buddy.
Trump’s fondness for telephone chat makes the shortest path to the Oval Office a quick call. Darroch instructed Prime Minister Theresa May to capitalize on Trump’s phone devotion by calling him more often. “In a perfect world, they would be speaking two or three times a month, if not more,” he wrote.

Stroke Him. Then Stroke Him Some More.
“You need to start praising him for something that he's done recently,” Darroch wrote. “You need whenever possible to present them as wins for him.”

Keep It Simple, Stupid.
In making points to the president, Darroch insisted, be “blunt,” as Trump doesn't do subtlety or ambiguity. This confirms what White House briefers have said about the president’s inability to concentrate on anything more complicated than a couple PowerPoint slides.

How to Criticize Trump.
Carefully! “Arguably, you get more respect from this President if you stand up to him occasionally—provided the public comments do not come as a surprise and are judicious, calm and avoid personalizing,” Darroch counseled.

When In Doubt, Toss Him a Glitzy Party.
The British slathered Trump with pomp and circumstance and paved his path with gold leaf during his three-day state visit in June. It started with a ceremonial welcome at B#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&gham Palace hosted by Queen Elizabeth. That was followed with a lunch with Prince Harry, a state banquet at the palace attended by royals, British politicians and executives, a breakfast with Prime Minister May and Prince Andrew, and a dinner with Prince Charles. And, he got to bring his entire family! Trump was “dazzled” by the visit, Darroch wrote, which was the Brits’ intent. “This was a wonderful visit, and U.K.-U.S. relations are now in the best state ever,” Trump told Darroch, who served as Trump’s glorified escort during the trip, as he departed.

your perpetual whining does absolutely nothing to help anyone :rude:

This should be in a fortune cookie. :hihi:
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We might all be in this boat together but it’s pretty clear who is getting tossed overboard first
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Trump outbid governors on coronavirus supplies after telling them to buy their own


https://fortune.com/2020/03/19/coronavirus-trump-states-governors-medical-supplies-fema/

I feel like they would all be embarrassed by your decision to take your stand on a fishing website. Grow a pair for goodness sakes. This whining accomplishes absolutely nothing. Does your first responder son realize this is how you are helping him! Shame on you.
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I'd respond if it warranted it.

Try to not watch to much reporting other than local, but OMG I couldn’t believe Trumps response to a reporter asking what he would like to say to millions of Americans who might be frightened. No be diligent, try to stay calm, practice social distancing, watch out for your family and friends, no reassurance nothing; just calls the reporter a nasty reporter and goes on a rant. Clown yes, leader no!

Try to not watch to much reporting other than local, but OMG I couldn’t believe Trumps response to a reporter asking what he would like to say to millions of Americans who might be frightened. No be diligent, try to stay calm, practice social distancing, watch out for your family and friends, no reassurance nothing; just calls the reporter a nasty reporter and goes on a rant. Clown yes, leader no!

If that is what you expect from this president at this moment then it says a lot about you. Do you want him to hold your hand as you cross the street,also?
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If that is what you expect from this president at this moment then it says a lot about you. Do you want him to hold your hand as you cross the street,also?
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Are you really are serious? If so i guess based on your posting history I shouldn’t be surprised and no my lifestyle really hasn’t changed, it’s one of the benefits of being retired. So no I don’t need and I certainly don’t expect empathy from this administration but there is a large part of this country looking to this president for reassurance and a truthful accounting for where we are. He had the opportunity to reach out to that part of the country listening for something other than the usual and he feel flat on his orange face. Go google the news clip from today’s briefing which I assume it’s from and then tell me your happy with the way he handled the question. It wasn’t like the reporter was trying to put him on the spot about the lack of testing, the shortages of masks or ventilators, he just asked what the president wanted to say to those Americans who are fearful, a true leader would have seen that as a great opportunity, instead this clown attacks the reporter and shows his true character; as have you by your defense.

Carry on and know that your best president of our lifetime can’t handle and apparently it’s all because of the Obama administration.

Are you really are serious? If so i guess based on your posting history I shouldn’t be surprised and no my lifestyle really hasn’t changed, it’s one of the benefits of being retired. So no I don’t need and I certainly don’t expect empathy from this administration but there is a large part of this country looking to this president for reassurance and a truthful accounting for where we are. He had the opportunity to reach out to that part of the country listening for something other than the usual and he feel flat on his orange face. Go google the news clip from today’s briefing which I assume it’s from and then tell me your happy with the way he handled the question. It wasn’t like the reporter was trying to put him on the spot about the lack of testing, the shortages of masks or ventilators, he just asked what the president wanted to say to those Americans who are fearful, a true leader would have seen that as a great opportunity, instead this clown attacks the reporter and shows his true character; as have you by your defense.

Carry on and know that your best president of our lifetime can’t handle and apparently it’s all because of the Obama administration.
I think what he’s saying is that if by now you’re expecting a minimum viable amount of leadership, competency, empathy, transparency or civility you haven’t been paying attention.
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I think what he’s saying is that if by now you’re expecting a minimum viable amount of leadership, competency, empathy, transparency or civility you haven’t been paying attention.
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Governor Cuomo disagrees with you and the other petulant snowflakes here who can't get off their bellies kicking and screaming....

Governor Cuomo disagrees with you and the other petulant snowflakes here who can't get off their bellies kicking and screaming....

You guys love using Cuomos stroking Trump to get what he needs as validation of Trump Leadership. If comical you think he actually means it:laugha:

Governor Cuomo disagrees with you and the other petulant snowflakes here who can't get off their bellies kicking and screaming....

Rep Omar as well. But they're just Trumplicans.
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You guys love using Cuomos stroking Trump to get what he needs as validation of Trump Leadership. If comical you think he actually means it:laugha:

pretty sure I've never used Cuomo's name before for anything

You guys love using Cuomos stroking Trump to get what he needs as validation of Trump Leadership. If comical you think he actually means it:laugha:

oh you can read minds now.

Why is Omar also praising him?
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Governor Cuomo disagrees with you and the other petulant snowflakes here who can't get off their bellies kicking and screaming....

You must listen more clearly to Cuomo, because he is actually saying what we have been complaining about, that while he is happy the feds have “FINALLY” got it and are stepping up; we are several weeks if not more behind. Everyone is glad to see the feds finally step it up and the government nation wide shut down I suspect is coming today, is also too little to late. Spring breakers in FL are in for a shock when it’s shut down and they are forced to become responsible adults and take this seriously.

Late on acceptance, late on testing, late on mitigation, late on ramping up needed supplies, irresponsible messaging, his 2020 run is going to be run on what?

You must listen more clearly to Cuomo

I listened to an entire interview with him yesterday....

and yes you are mindlessly and endlessly complaining....

I apologize for mindlessly and endlessly defending the most inept and corrupt president of our lifetime....

Fixed

Fixed

childish...even for this group :uhuh:

childish...even for this group :uhuh:

That’s funny, you and SD have a corner on childish :jump:

That’s funny, you and SD have a corner on childish :jump:

we are the adults mocking you for your daily tantrums...that's all...you can get back on the floor and continue kicking your feet and screaming now...hopefully wear yourself out for nappy time :jester:

Thanks for proving my point:bshake:

oh you can read minds now.

Why is Omar also praising him?
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Same reason ..Trumps that shallow. Say nice things about him whether you. Think its true or not ..and he responds like pavlov's Dog

Its not rocket science or mind reading its Trump 101
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Same reason ..Trumps that shallow. Say nice things about him whether you. Think its true or not ..and he responds like pavlov's Dog

Its not rocket science or mind reading its Trump 101
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show us some
evidence, any evidence, that Omar’s district is disproportionately getting relief from the feds?
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show us some
evidence, any evidence, that Omar’s district is disproportionately getting relief from the feds?
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She made a single tweet praising Trump for something he never even followed through on Jim.
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Intel reports from January and February — along with aides — warned about a pandemic spreading in China and moving into other countries.

Asked why he praised China's response and "transparency" on Jan. 24, Trump* says today, "Because it's true." Reminded he's now saying China wasn't transparent about the virus, he says, "They were transparent at that time."

Trump*: "I have great respect for that country...for the leader of that country (China), and like him. He's a friend of mine. But I wish they...would have told us earlier..."

Trump*: "China has worked very hard." He adds, "China's not a beneficiary here. China has lost thousands thousands of people. China has gone through hell over this...I just wish they could've told us earlier."

China went public on Dec 31 when they had 27 cases of a strange viral pneumonia. It was in every newspaper.

2 months later Trump* said of our 70 cases "like the flu, it'll disappear"

He had been told that was incorrect and chose not to listen nor lead.

What would you call a person who would choose to trust the information given him by a foreign power over that presented by our own intelligence agencies?

The result of his administration's inaction.

South Korea and US both had first coronavirus case on same day: Jan 20.
Difference: South Korea govt responded with mass testing, tracking and quarantines.
Trump admin failed to do mass testing then.
Result: South Korea has 8,799 cases w/ 104 dead. US 23,847 cases w/ 278 dead+rising

"I don't take responsibility at all"

"I don't take responsibility at all"

That out of context comment referred to the delay in testing kits which was due to FDA regulations created by the previous administration which had to be revised. Dr. Fauci cofirmed that's was the case and the reason for the delay.

Really slimy of you to just insert it out of context and in context of other matters to make it seem Trump took no responsibility for anything. You're as bad as fake media.

That out of context comment referred to the delay in testing kits which was due to FDA regulations created by the previous administration which had to be revised. Dr. Fauci cofirmed that's was the case and the reason for the delay.
Whif.
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Whif.
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https://townhall.com/tipsheet/juliorosas/2020/03/17/dr-fauci-the-cdc-testing-delay-for-wuhan-virus-is-certainly-not-the-presidents-fault-n2565112

That out of context comment referred to the delay in testing kits which was due to FDA regulations created by the previous administration which had to be revised. Dr. Fauci cofirmed that's was the case and the reason for the delay.

Really slimy of you to just insert it out of context and in context of other matters to make it seem Trump took no responsibility for anything. You're as bad as fake media.

It's really slimy that Trump* tried to make someone else responsible for his inaction and he claimed to take no responsibility at all. Pandemics have been one of the most significant national security issues since the Bush administration.
As originally outlined by President Bush in 2006, the National Strategy for Pandemic Influenza Implementation Plan established three goals for the U.S. government during a pandemic.
First, stopping, slowing, or limiting the spread of a pandemic to the United States.
Second, limiting the domestic spread of a pandemic to mitigate disease, suffering and death.
Third, sustaining infrastructure and mitigating impact to the economy and society.
H1N1 provided a valuable “test run” for the government’s response to a pandemic. They learned valuable lessons about what worked, what failed miserably, and what would have worked better with just a few improvements.

Dr. Fauci is stifling himself in order to save many lives from the actions of the malignant narcissist holding the office of President.
The other choice is to leave and let whatever unqualified yes man the fool finds to take his place. Probably could get Dr. Bornstein or Ronny Jackson, or maybe just use his stable genius to come up with a new medicine.

South Korea had the first case the same day as the USA.
Trump*ignored the information he was given in intelligence briefings because he was flattered by Xi Jinping and thought his good friend would never mislead him. He is the biggest danger to national security in this country.

By March 14th the democratic republic of South Korea had tested 274,500 people for free.

We had tested 14,000 for a cost of 1-3K each until a couple of days ago.

That was not due to a failure of leadership years ago, but the failure of this administration.

He had no issue with declaring an emergency over "caravans" but stuck his head in the sand on this because it might upset the market.
That worked well, didn't it?

He is clearly the greatest president of our generation
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And a majority of Republicans — 54% — now say the response to the coronavirus is overblown

Who did they get that idea From??
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Who did they get that idea From??


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pick me...pick me!.......ummmm ..."faux news"? :hihi:

And a majority of Republicans — 54% — now say the response to the coronavirus is overblown

Who did they get that idea From??
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conservatives are more likely to oppose the idea of the state telling us that we can’t leave our house or go visit friends in assisted living facilities.

i have no problem whatsoever with it, but i know a lot of smart people
who think the government response is waaaay too much. I think they’re wrong. They think they’re right. We are allowed to respectfully disagree, at least on our side.

Stay safe at work. I imagine social
distancing isn’t easy at your job. Be careful.
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I thought New York was a red state with lots of smart people....

He is clearly the greatest president of our generation
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Sometimes a picture, or in this case a graph says it better, if he were his messaging would be completely different; history will not be kind to this president.

history will not be kind to this president.



you should stop trying to predict history....:kewl:

Your behavior is so predictable, I only wish I could buy stock in what you and SD post, it's just more of the same. How about taking a different approach, tell me where any of the messaging shown in that graph was appropriate, especially for the "greatest president of our lifetime" (saved you typing it SD).

Your behavior is so predictable, I only wish I could buy stock in what you and SD post, it's just more of the same. How about taking a different approach, tell me where any of the messaging shown in that graph was appropriate, especially for the "greatest president of our lifetime" (saved you typing it SD).

petulant little graph....I don't watch much tv but I did catch a minute of whatever morning show was on ABC this morning...the woman interviewing the guest appeared to be on the verge of a breakdown as she asked her foolish questions...we need more of that:spin:

Dr. Fauci is stifling himself in order to save many lives from the actions of the malignant narcissist holding the office of President.


So now Dr. Fauci is a liar.

So now Dr. Fauci is a liar.

sure! he’s a trumplican.
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People say Contagion is prescient. We just saw the science. The whole epidemiological community has been warning everybody for the past 10 or 15 years that it wasn't a question of whether we were going to have a pandemic like this. It was simply when. It's really hard to get people to listen. I mean, Trump pushed out the admiral on the National Security Council, who was the only person at that level who's responsible for pandemic defense. With him went his entire downline of employees and staff and relationships. And then Trump removed the [early warning] funding for countries around the world.
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Sometimes a picture, or in this case a graph says it better, if he were his messaging would be completely different; history will not be kind to this president.
I guess my opinion is wrong because it is not the same as yours. I am fine with that. Thanks for caring enough to share your valuable thoughts. They mean a lot to me ,but I disagree.
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People say Contagion is prescient. We just saw the science. The whole epidemiological community has been warning everybody for the past 10 or 15 years that it wasn't a question of whether we were going to have a pandemic like this. It was simply when. It's really hard to get people to listen. I mean, Trump pushed out the admiral on the National Security Council, who was the only person at that level who's responsible for pandemic defense. With him went his entire downline of employees and staff and relationships. And then Trump removed the [early warning] funding for countries around the world.
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Blah blah blah
Dummies gonna dummy.
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When you two wear those MAGA hats that tightly it restricts blood flow to the brain, I see the pattern it's very concerning. So you feel your opinion is the correct one and feel you entitled to it and I'd agree that you are, but you two just refuse to accept that others have that same right to express theirs without the usual from the sand box. Instead it's kinder garden insults and the same old BS, but it's so predictable and so over used it lost it's thunder so long back it's just pathetic now.

Who could have known?

No government can be 100 percent prepared for anything, but that does not mean it was as unthinkable as Trump* is trying to portray it now.

Richard Burr (R-N.C.) knew on Feb. 27 when he privately offered a dire forecast for the coronavirus, saying, as first reported by NPR, “It is much more aggressive in its transmission than anything that we have seen in recent history,” and “It is probably more akin to the 1918 pandemic.”

That same day Trump* predicted the 15 cases the country was seeing at that point would soon be reduced to zero.

The Crimson Contagion 2019 Functional Exercise provided local, state, federal, nongovernment organizations and private sector partners an opportunity to practice implementing response actions, as well as engage in candid discussions about response, resource, and capability challenges during an influenza pandemic across all levels of government.

5 . Resources
5 . 1 . Scarcity
5 .1.1. The current medical countermeasure supply chain and production capacity cannot meet the demands imposed by nations during a global influenza pandemic .
The U . S . lacks the ability to produce or source some of the inputs necessary to produce vaccine in sufficient quantities to respond to the domestic requirements of a severe influenza pandemic . Further compounding this challenge , global manufacturing capacity will also be unable to meet domestic demand for medical countermeasures , including personal protective equipment and ancillary supplies (i. e. , syringes ), and it is anticipated that countries will keep their own stockpiled supplies for their own citizens . The U . S. also lacks domestic manufacturing capacity for the production of sufficient quantities of personal protective equipment, needles, and syringes . Domestic supplies of on -hand stock of antiviral medications , needles, syringes , N95 respirators, ventilators , and other ancillary medical supplies are limited and difficult to restock , because they are often
manufactured overseas .

When you two wear those MAGA hats that tightly it restricts blood flow to the brain, I see the pattern it's very concerning. So you feel your opinion is the correct one and feel you entitled to it and I'd agree that you are, but you two just refuse to accept that others have that same right to express theirs without the usual from the sand box. Instead it's kinder garden insults and the same old BS, but it's so predictable and so over used it lost it's thunder so long back it's just pathetic now.
Dummies gonna dummy
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So now Dr. Fauci is a liar.

No, he's doing what he can to help and right now that includes accommodating a malignant narcissistic president who is incapable of leading.
He's been in his position since 1984, led the ebola, H1N1 responses and knows what needs to get done.
Trump* is still hoping for a miracle and trying to find someone to blame for his administration's inaction.

Instead it's kinder garden insults

.

I agree...if you were trying to suggest we should all plant a kinder garden....

carry on...

with seeds of love...

2/26 Trump* claimed: When you have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down close to zero, that's a pretty good job we've done

Today 27,205

FEMA head admits despite Trump*’s lauding Defense Production Act Executive Order, Trump* HAS NOT implemented it.

Trump* plan: rely on corporations’ voluntary contributions

No, he's doing what he can to help and right now that includes accommodating a malignant narcissistic president who is incapable of leading.
He's been in his position since 1984, led the ebola, H1N1 responses and knows what needs to get done.
Trump* is still hoping for a miracle and trying to find someone to blame for his administration's inaction.

If you say he is not lying when he said Trump was not responsible, and he knows what needs to be done, and is a reliable expert doing those things, I'll take him at his word rather than your hyper biased opinion.

Trumps messaging from the beginning has been pathetic, want to hear how a leader addresses the people who elected him, listen to Gov Cuomo. Straight honest information based on science and facts, not hunches, gut feelings or hopefully miracles. Trump didn’t cause the virus, but he ignored the science hoping what was predicted wasn’t going to happen and has been weeks if not more than a month behind with actions to prevent the spread and gear up for the medical community to handle it.

Trumps messaging from the beginning has been pathetic, want to hear how a leader addresses the people who elected him, listen to Gov Cuomo. Straight honest information based on science and facts, not hunches, gut feelings or hopefully miracles. Trump didn’t cause the virus, but he ignored the science hoping what was predicted wasn’t going to happen and has been weeks if not more than a month behind with actions to prevent the spread and gear up for the medical community to handle it.

Cuomo is following the Trump administration's program. Unlike you, he has praised Trump for being "on it." Trump's "messaging" was not that it could not turn out to be very serious, but to try to not have the panic that indeed occur with hoarding for instance. There was always the message to take precautions and not just act like nothing could possibly get worse. Your rhetoric is the very stuff of dooms day. Not helpful at all.

And there has always been the need and call for all level of government's, including states and the private sector to be part of the process.

Cuomo's rhetoric comes at a time when the spread of the virus is more apparent, and a more stringent call is necessary.

Trumps messaging from the beginning has been pathetic, want to hear how a leader addresses the people who elected him, listen to Gov Cuomo. Straight honest information based on science and facts, not hunches, gut feelings or hopefully miracles. Trump didn’t cause the virus, but he ignored the science hoping what was predicted wasn’t going to happen and has been weeks if not more than a month behind with actions to prevent the spread and gear up for the medical community to handle it.

Trump yada yada virus
Trump blah blah science
🙄
This is more of a dummy being dumb. You are getting worse than Pete (Bitchslappedboy). Does your son ( the alleged first responder) know that this is how you solve problems? Has he planned your intervention yet?
Cuomo is doing just fine but how has that worked out for him?
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Cuomo is following the Trump administration's program. Unlike you, he has praised Trump for being "on it." Trump's "messaging" was not that it could not turn out to be very serious, but to try to not have the panic that indeed occur with hoarding for instance. There was always the message to take precautions and not just act like nothing could possibly get worse. Your rhetoric is the very stuff of dooms day. Not helpful at all.

And there has always been the need and call for all level of government's, including states and the private sector to be part of the process.

Cuomo's rhetoric comes at a time when the spread of the virus is more apparent, and a more stringent call is necessary.

Go back a few of his press conferences, while Cuomo is happy Trump is “FINALLY” taking the steps needed, he has a acknowledged several times how far BEHIND we are. I call BS on your take on Trumps rhetoric, it has had little to do with the safety of Americans and more to do with him, his image, his worry about how this would impact his 2020 run and of course his blessed stock market. I get it, it’s impossible for SD, Scott, Jim and you to defend him, when its clear the when confronted with a global and US health crisis like the one that has shut our economy down, that this really is not the guy you want at the helm. I understand you guys, your going down with the ship and I hope you take Moscow Mitch with you.

Ooooh and the gloom and doom I talk about is reality we are all facing and if we all aren’t paying attention people will die. But how many people are reading the SB political forum, that argument is hilarious, who am I not helping?

Cuomo said if someone wants to blame someone or complain about someone, blame me there's no one else who is responsible for this decision. That's right out of Trump's Playbook. Not!


I do think he's doing a much better job since he's acknowledged it's not going to magically go away. Although that press conference Friday was a joke.
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Go back a few of his press conferences, while Cuomo is happy Trump is “FINALLY” taking the steps needed, he has a acknowledged several times how far BEHIND we are.

Oh, so Cuomo knew from the start what steps were needed? Did he tell the rest of us and the Trump administration, including the experts like Dr. Fauci about this supposed knowledge he had. Was he "on it"? So now he gives his blessing that the administration is doing what he in his superior wisdom thinks is right and good? How's he doing with the financial and social conditions of his prize New York City? He is supposed to be someone we look up to in handling social and political conditions? Of course, you just know that he would have done so much better because . . .

I call BS on your take on Trumps rhetoric, it has had little to do with the safety of Americans and more to do with him, his image, his worry about how this would impact his 2020 run and of course his blessed stock market.

I would guess that doing the best in this crisis would be the way to help his 2020 run. You claim to know what is in his head, what he's concerned about. Are you some sort of clairvoyant or mentalist who has the ability to know, even from a great distance, what someone thinks? Or do you have some solid evidence of what you say? Or is it just your usual opinionated pontification?

I get it, it’s impossible for SD, Scott, Jim and you to defend him, when its clear the when confronted with a global and US health crisis like the one that has shut our economy down, that this really is not the guy you want at the helm. I understand you guys, your going down with the ship and I hope you take Moscow Mitch with you.

I get it, you see it as some kind of battle where positions have to be defended. You, of course, being on a higher plane of wisdom and mind reading, don't need a defense. You, a priori, have the truth as your bulwark. You just know. And can, therefor, just say stuff.

Ooooh and the gloom and doom I talk about is reality we are all facing and if we all aren’t paying attention people will die. But how many people are reading the SB political forum, that argument is hilarious, who am I not helping?

Who are you helping?

Trumps messaging from the beginning has been pathetic, want to hear how a leader addresses the people who elected him, listen to Gov Cuomo. Straight honest information based on science and facts, not hunches, gut feelings or hopefully miracles. Trump didn’t cause the virus, but he ignored the science hoping what was predicted wasn’t going to happen and has been weeks if not more than a month behind with actions to prevent the spread and gear up for the medical community to handle it.

why did trump implement the travel ban from china on day one? why did joe biden, chuck schumer, and cnn call him a xenophobe for doing so?
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Dr Fauci, who has gotten positive reviews here, days Trumps early travel ban could
prove to be a key reason why we don’t evolve to Italy’s horror.

I don’t like Trumps style, going after a reporter at a coronavirus press conference is stupid. I trust Trumps policies.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fauci-cites-trumps-travel-restriction-as-possible-key-for-u-s-not-becoming-another-italy
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why did trump implement the travel ban from china on day one? why did joe biden, chuck schumer, and cnn call him a xenophobe for doing so?
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Are you going to beat that drum to death or what, look at the messaging and actions since, the science showed what was coming. Taking one small step and not following up with a host of other strong measures, combined with his dismissive rhetoric is pathetic. He failed and I certainly don’t expect anything but defense from you and others, but I don’t see it and other state leaders don’t either, even if they are finally happy he is taking these late steps.

Dr Fauci, who has gotten positive reviews here, days Trumps early travel ban could
prove to be a key reason why we don’t evolve to Italy’s horror.

I don’t like Trumps style, going after a reporter at a coronavirus press conference is stupid. I trust Trumps policies.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fauci-cites-trumps-travel-restriction-as-possible-key-for-u-s-not-becoming-another-italy
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Would that be the Dr. Fauci who was suddenly missing from tonight’s briefing, probably due to Trump getting tired of him countering his statements with truth?

Are you going to beat that drum to death or what, look at the messaging and actions since, the science showed what was coming. Taking one small step and not following up with a host of other strong measures, combined with his dismissive rhetoric is pathetic. He failed and I certainly don’t expect anything but defense from you and others, but I don’t see it and other state leaders don’t either, even if they are finally happy he is taking these late steps.

Could you be, possibly, a bit more specific?

Would that be the Dr. Fauci who was suddenly missing from tonight’s briefing, probably due to Trump getting tired of him countering his statements with truth?

some libs here were praising him, right? and he praised trumps travel ban.

maybe it’s possible he had
something more
pressing...
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the science showed what was coming.

then why did Biden, the one you’re going to vote for, call Trump a xenophobe for restricting travel from China?
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In the middle of a global pandemic, our “leader” spends twenty minutes of his press conference complaining about the money the Trump family has lost running for president, thank you Donald for making my case on the pathetic messaging.

In the middle of a global pandemic, our “leader” spends twenty minutes of his press conference complaining about the money the Trump family has lost running for president, thank you Donald for making my case on the pathetic messaging.

He's not allowed to talk about other things. And you're an authority on what and how he is supposed to say? Congratulations for thinking so highly of your own "case."

Pour little rich kid, had to spend so much of Daddy’s money to get elected, I’m sure all the scared concerned parents, students and their vulnerable parents take comfort in knowing the a Trump family is fiscally ok while our economy melts down.

Scared little bunny🙄
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then why did Biden, the one you’re going to vote for, call Trump a xenophobe for restricting travel from China?
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Because he didn’t, do the work Jim.
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Because he didn’t, do the work Jim.
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“hysterical xenophobia...”

https://nationalfile.com/flashback-biden-opposed-trumps-chinese-coronavirus-travel-ban-as-xenophobia/
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In the middle of a global pandemic, our “leader” spends twenty minutes of his press conference complaining about the money the Trump family has lost running for president, thank you Donald for making my case on the pathetic messaging.

Apparently, you didn't actually hear the press briefing. It wasn't in the middle of the briefing, it was toward the end of it, and it wasn't 20 minutes as you state, more like 5 or 6. And it was in response to a pointed, bit nasty, question (considering the collapse of the stock market) if he was profiting from stocks. He calmly explained that, no he did not make money off of stocks, he isn't invested in stocks. And contrary to your notion that he complained about how much money he lost running for President and even more while being President, he said he was very happy he did it. Essentially, and contrary to your narrative that it is all selfishly about him, it was worth being able to serve the country and to help it and the American people.

The whole press conference (about an hour and a half) was well "messaged" with a temperate tone, authoritative commentary with details of the administration plans, and with the proper amount of caution and understanding that it is a crisis, but without the gloom and doom, and with the confidence that we will, together, win the war with this virus, and the economy will come back strong due to a pent up demand.

I don't know how that makes your case. Actually, your whole characterization of him (his "messaging," and this press briefing in particular) seems to be way off--as if your listening to voices in your anti-Trump head (I know you said that you're not merely regurgitating media and political narrative but are thinking for yourself).

“hysterical xenophobia...”

https://nationalfile.com/flashback-biden-opposed-trumps-chinese-coronavirus-travel-ban-as-xenophobia/
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Watch the video, apply your critical thinker instead of being told what to believe.
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Apparently, you didn't actually hear the press briefing. It wasn't in the middle of the briefing, it was toward the end of it, and it wasn't 20 minutes as you state, more like 5 or 6. And it was in response to a pointed, bit nasty, question (considering the collapse of the stock market) if he was profiting from stocks. He calmly explained that, no he did not make money off of stocks, he isn't invested in stocks. And contrary to your notion that he complained about how much money he lost running for President and even more while being President, he said he was very happy he did it. Essentially, and contrary to your narrative that it is all selfishly about him, it was worth being able to serve the country and to help it and the American people.

The whole press conference (about an hour and a half) was well "messaged" with a temperate tone, authoritative commentary with details of the administration plans, and with the proper amount of caution and understanding that it is a crisis, but without the gloom and doom, and with the confidence that we will, together, win the war with this virus, and the economy will come back strong due to a pent up demand.

I don't know how that makes your case. Actually, your whole characterization of him (his "messaging," and this press briefing in particular) seems to be way off--as if your listening to voices in your anti-Trump head (I know you said that you're not merely regurgitating media and political narrative but are thinking for yourself).

Predictable defense and once off script, Trump ALWAYS shows his true colors and the nasty is standing behind the podium. The script this time around was to repair the damages from the pathetic (king of nasty) Friday news conference. I said it before, I understand strong diehard Trump supports hear what they want to hear, so I expect the defense will be as it has been throughout his term. Consider also that it has only been recently that his scripted news conferences have actually reflected something closer to reality. Look at the comments (off script and real Trump) from the beginning highlighted in the graph I posted, only the stark reality and likely the pleading of the science experts finally got him to admit this is serious.

Scared little bunny🙄
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The only thing scaring me is this crappy weather keeping me off the golf course, don’t want to lose this mid 70’s roll I’m on lately, want to lock it in for the better weather.

Fauci’s going to get fired. He’s been way too honest in interviews this weekend.
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Wouldn’t surprise me this administration aka swamp, is where good people visit only briefly before they either decide to move on or are thankful they are asked to leave.

So now Dr. Fauci is a liar.

He didn't claim Fauci was a liar.


Fauci gets frank about Trump: ‘I can’t jump in front of the microphone and push him down’

Amid the ongoing global coronavirus pandemic, Anthony S. Fauci, head of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, has been charged with a herculean task: trying to keep President Trump’s public statements about the novel virus rooted in fact.

Now it appears that Fauci’s frustration is showing.

When asked Sunday by Science magazine’s Jon Cohen about having to stand in front of the nation as “the representative of truth and facts” when “things are being said that aren’t true and aren’t factual,” the 79-year-old said there is only so much he can do.

“I can’t jump in front of the microphone and push him down,” Fauci said, referencing Trump. “OK, he said it. Let’s try and get it corrected for the next time.”

The frank comment was just one part of a remarkable Q&A published Sunday night in which Fauci shed light on his relationship with Trump, how the pair handles their differences and what happens before each coronavirus task force news conference.

On more than one occasion, Fauci, described by The Washington Post’s Ellen McCarthy and Ben Terris as “the grandfatherly captain of the corona#^&virus crisis,” has found himself in the uncomfortable position of having to publicly contradict the president — a risky action that could conceivably jeopardize the scientist’s job.

Fauci acknowledged as much on Sunday.

“To my knowledge, I haven’t been fired,” he told Cohen, laughing.

Most recently, Fauci has sought to temper Trump’s comments touting an old anti-malarial drug as a potential treatment for covid-19. At a news conference Friday, one day after Trump called the medicine a possible “game-changer,” Fauci said the only evidence of the drug’s promise so far has been “anecdotal,” adding, “So you really can’t make any definitive statement about it.”

In an appearance on “Face the Nation” Sunday, Fauci downplayed the disagreement, telling CBS’s Margaret Brennan that “there isn’t, fundamentally, a difference” between his view and Trump’s on fighting the virus.

“I was taking a purely medical, scientific standpoint and the president was trying to bring hope to the people,” he said.

CNN LFauci attempted to strike the same diplomatic approach in his interview with Science magazine, saying that though he and Trump sometimes disagree, the president does listen to him “on substantive issues.”

But Fauci admitted that the two stray when it comes to Trump’s delivery of the critical messages.

“It is expressed in a way that I would not express it, because it could lead to some misunderstanding about what the facts are about a given subject,” he said.

Never, for example, has Fauci used “China virus” or " Chinese virus” to refer to covid-19, despite Trump’s repeated usage and defense of such labels. Critics have slammed the language as racist and diversionary, warning that it could lead to an uptick of anti-Asian sentiment in the United States.

“And you never will, will you?” Cohen asked.

“No,” Fauci answered.

Cohen also pressed Fauci on Trump making statements that don’t “comport with facts,” calling attention to the president’s recent misleading suggestion that China could have revealed details of the outbreak “three or four months” earlier.

“I know, but what do you want me to do?,” Fauci responded. “I mean, seriously Jon, let’s get real, what do you want me to do?”

After Trump made the remark about China at Saturday’s briefing, Fauci said he informed “the appropriate people” of the inaccuracy.

“The next time they sit down with him and talk about what he’s going to say, they will say, by the way, Mr. President, be careful about this and don’t say that,” he said.

Fauci later provided a behind-the-scenes look at how the task force advises Trump ahead of his daily news conferences.

“We sit down for an hour and a half, go over all the issues on the agenda,” Fauci said, adding that the group also discusses what they want to emphasize to the public that day before meeting with Trump.

“Then we go in to see the president, we present [our consensus] to him and somebody writes a speech,” he explained. “Then he gets up and ad-libs on his speech. And then we’re up there to try and answer questions.”

Fauci appeared to make his qualms with Trump’s ad-libs known at Friday’s news conference when he was seen covering his face and struggling to maintain his composure after the president mentioned the “Deep State Department.”


Asked if he was criticized for the gesture, Fauci said “no comment.”

The scientist also took issue with Trump’s decision to continue shaking hands at public events and the lack of physical separation at the daily briefings.

While Fauci credited Vice President Pence with keeping people apart during task force meetings, the situation onstage in the press briefing room, where officials are often standing in close quarters, “is a bit more problematic.”

“I keep saying, is there any way we can get a virtual press conference,” he said. “Thus far, no. But when you’re dealing with the White House, sometimes you have to say things 1,2,3,4 times, and then it happens. So I’m going to keep pushing.”

By early Monday, Fauci’s comments were circulating widely on social media with many remarking on his candor.

The Q&A with Science magazine came on the heels of two other illuminating interviews Fauci did that came out over the weekend, prompting some to worry that he might endangering his position.

“Fauci’s going to get fired,” tweeted journalist Joe Nocera. “He’s been way too honest in interviews this weekend.”

But, in a recent interview with the Atlantic published Sunday, Fauci said he didn’t anticipate losing his position.

“I don’t think they’re going to try to silence me. I think that would be foolish on their part,” he said. “I think, in some respects, they welcome my voice out there telling the truth. I’m going to keep doing it. And no matter what happens to me, I’m going to keep doing it.”

Notice all the Senate Republicans who now are self quarantined and wont have to vote on the Senate Bill?


And a side note notice how Tump has turned his virus update into a mini rallies attacking the media , Mitt Romney and others

He laughed at Romney self isolation - what a vile person.

try to be team players....this will all end at some point...don't be the people that bitched and moaned the entire time, it's no help to anyone....carry on

He didn't claim Fauci was a liar.


Fauci gets frank about Trump: ‘I can’t jump in front of the microphone and push him down’

Amid the ongoing global coronavirus pandemic, Anthony S. Fauci, head of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, has been charged with a herculean task: trying to keep President Trump’s public statements about the novel virus rooted in fact.

Now it appears that Fauci’s frustration is showing.

When asked Sunday by Science magazine’s Jon Cohen about having to stand in front of the nation as “the representative of truth and facts” when “things are being said that aren’t true and aren’t factual,” the 79-year-old said there is only so much he can do.

“I can’t jump in front of the microphone and push him down,” Fauci said, referencing Trump. “OK, he said it. Let’s try and get it corrected for the next time.”

The frank comment was just one part of a remarkable Q&A published Sunday night in which Fauci shed light on his relationship with Trump, how the pair handles their differences and what happens before each coronavirus task force news conference.

On more than one occasion, Fauci, described by The Washington Post’s Ellen McCarthy and Ben Terris as “the grandfatherly captain of the corona#^&virus crisis,” has found himself in the uncomfortable position of having to publicly contradict the president — a risky action that could conceivably jeopardize the scientist’s job.

Fauci acknowledged as much on Sunday.

“To my knowledge, I haven’t been fired,” he told Cohen, laughing.

Most recently, Fauci has sought to temper Trump’s comments touting an old anti-malarial drug as a potential treatment for covid-19. At a news conference Friday, one day after Trump called the medicine a possible “game-changer,” Fauci said the only evidence of the drug’s promise so far has been “anecdotal,” adding, “So you really can’t make any definitive statement about it.”

In an appearance on “Face the Nation” Sunday, Fauci downplayed the disagreement, telling CBS’s Margaret Brennan that “there isn’t, fundamentally, a difference” between his view and Trump’s on fighting the virus.

“I was taking a purely medical, scientific standpoint and the president was trying to bring hope to the people,” he said.

CNN LFauci attempted to strike the same diplomatic approach in his interview with Science magazine, saying that though he and Trump sometimes disagree, the president does listen to him “on substantive issues.”

But Fauci admitted that the two stray when it comes to Trump’s delivery of the critical messages.

“It is expressed in a way that I would not express it, because it could lead to some misunderstanding about what the facts are about a given subject,” he said.

Never, for example, has Fauci used “China virus” or " Chinese virus” to refer to covid-19, despite Trump’s repeated usage and defense of such labels. Critics have slammed the language as racist and diversionary, warning that it could lead to an uptick of anti-Asian sentiment in the United States.

“And you never will, will you?” Cohen asked.

“No,” Fauci answered.

Cohen also pressed Fauci on Trump making statements that don’t “comport with facts,” calling attention to the president’s recent misleading suggestion that China could have revealed details of the outbreak “three or four months” earlier.

“I know, but what do you want me to do?,” Fauci responded. “I mean, seriously Jon, let’s get real, what do you want me to do?”

After Trump made the remark about China at Saturday’s briefing, Fauci said he informed “the appropriate people” of the inaccuracy.

“The next time they sit down with him and talk about what he’s going to say, they will say, by the way, Mr. President, be careful about this and don’t say that,” he said.

Fauci later provided a behind-the-scenes look at how the task force advises Trump ahead of his daily news conferences.

“We sit down for an hour and a half, go over all the issues on the agenda,” Fauci said, adding that the group also discusses what they want to emphasize to the public that day before meeting with Trump.

“Then we go in to see the president, we present [our consensus] to him and somebody writes a speech,” he explained. “Then he gets up and ad-libs on his speech. And then we’re up there to try and answer questions.”

Fauci appeared to make his qualms with Trump’s ad-libs known at Friday’s news conference when he was seen covering his face and struggling to maintain his composure after the president mentioned the “Deep State Department.”


Asked if he was criticized for the gesture, Fauci said “no comment.”

The scientist also took issue with Trump’s decision to continue shaking hands at public events and the lack of physical separation at the daily briefings.

While Fauci credited Vice President Pence with keeping people apart during task force meetings, the situation onstage in the press briefing room, where officials are often standing in close quarters, “is a bit more problematic.”

“I keep saying, is there any way we can get a virtual press conference,” he said. “Thus far, no. But when you’re dealing with the White House, sometimes you have to say things 1,2,3,4 times, and then it happens. So I’m going to keep pushing.”

By early Monday, Fauci’s comments were circulating widely on social media with many remarking on his candor.

The Q&A with Science magazine came on the heels of two other illuminating interviews Fauci did that came out over the weekend, prompting some to worry that he might endangering his position.

“Fauci’s going to get fired,” tweeted journalist Joe Nocera. “He’s been way too honest in interviews this weekend.”

But, in a recent interview with the Atlantic published Sunday, Fauci said he didn’t anticipate losing his position.

“I don’t think they’re going to try to silence me. I think that would be foolish on their part,” he said. “I think, in some respects, they welcome my voice out there telling the truth. I’m going to keep doing it. And no matter what happens to me, I’m going to keep doing it.”

I read that article today. It didn't address the timeliness of testing kits issue--which was one of the key reasons for this thread. On that issue, Fauci unequivocally said that Trump was not responsible for the delay and did not correct Trump's version of why, basically agreeing with him.

Trump should try to cut down on his "ad libs." Probably won't happen. So long as the experts on his team, such as Fauci, make any necessary corrections or clarifications, it shouldn't be a problem.

I know how these interviews w/agenda go. Ask only questions that might bias heavily toward making Trump look bad. And then further edit in that direction and use slanted words, etc.

I know how these interviews w/agenda go. Ask only questions that might bias heavily toward making Trump look bad. And then further edit in that direction and use slanted words, etc.

Any chief executive (never mind the Pres. of the US) should be able to turn any question around and come up with a positive response.

Unfortunately, Pres Trump can't hold his temper and responds like a little child and resorts to insults. Can't even craft a response to "what do you tell the people who are afraid". A question that Bush and Obama answered dozens of times.

I don't want a Pres. where we have to expect the experts on his team to clarify his remarks or make corrections. If he doesn't know the answers any good manager would turn to the expert and say "can you address that question" instead of saying something that is incorrect.

try to be team players....this will all end at some point...don't be the people that bitched and moaned the entire time, it's no help to anyone....carry on

oh the sweet irony.

Who is snarky now?
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Any chief executive (never mind the Pres. of the US) should be able to turn any question around and come up with a positive response.

Trump has done that many times. He did that in the Sunday 1 and a half hour Press briefing.

Unfortunately, Pres Trump can't hold his temper and responds like a little child and resorts to insults.

I haven't watched or heard or read all of Trump's responses. Have you? Other than headlines and picked comments by Trump naysayers? In most that I have, he was not actually angry very often. I realize, by the way you characterize members on this site as being angry when they are not, that you would probably perceive him as angry if that's what you wanted. Nor did I observe him acting like a child. Again, you loosely call folks here childish when they're not, so I can see how, by your definition, whatever that may be, you would think Trump is. He does, pretty effectively, insult those who insult him. To me, he appears to be quite nice and respectable to those who treat him likewise, and to those he is trying to make a deal with.

Can't even craft a response to "what do you tell the people who are afraid". A question that Bush and Obama answered dozens of times.

In Sunday's presser he tried to calm fears,(as he did in others and was criticized for not telling the truth). Is this some kind of litmus question that determines qualification for being President?

I don't want a Pres. where we have to expect the experts on his team to clarify his remarks or make corrections. If he doesn't know the answers any good manager would turn to the expert and say "can you address that question" instead of saying something that is incorrect.

He has done that many times in Press briefs, as he did, very effectively in the long Sunday presser. I don't expect him to be correct every time. That's unrealistic. Biden, who appears to be the Dem candidate, is wrong or misspoken, a whole lot. Bush and Obama who you mentioned above, were criticized often for being wrong or misspoken--even lying.

Any chief executive (never mind the Pres. of the US) should be able to turn any question around and come up with a positive response.

Unfortunately, Pres Trump can't hold his temper and responds like a little child and resorts to insults. Can't even craft a response to "what do you tell the people who are afraid". A question that Bush and Obama answered dozens of times.

I don't want a Pres. where we have to expect the experts on his team to clarify his remarks or make corrections. If he doesn't know the answers any good manager would turn to the expert and say "can you address that question" instead of saying something that is incorrect.

totally agree that his immediate response will
be that of a vindictive baby.

how about his policies, do those matter at all, or is delivery all that matters now. He restricted travel from china which obviously helped, and got called a xenophobe.

And even CNNs Jake Tapper
explicitly said that Trump didn’t call the virus a hoax, he was talking about the media response.

i agree Trump is a vindictive baby, but maybe if the media could
stop lying and be accurate for two consecutive seconds where he’s concerned, that would help.
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So he didn't down play the virus for a few weeks until he then said he knew it was a pandemic all along?

So he didn't down play the virus for a few weeks until he then said he knew it was a pandemic all along?

I never got, from his words, that the virus was not a serious threat. I got that he tried to calm fears. But we were constantly being bombarded by experts and media of what precautions we should take and that Trump agreed with. And that we could mitigate the effects of the virus if we took them. I don't recall the Dems playing it up from the start. They criticized Trump, as Jim keeps reminding us, for so quickly making a travel ban from China. That criticism downplayed the threat. How was Trump's ban down playing? Sounded like a defense against a serious threat.

C&P from an earlier post

an. 22: “It’s going to be just fine. We have it totally under control.”

Jan. 24 (tweet):China has been working very hard to contain the Coronavirus. The United States greatly appreciates their efforts and transparency. It will all work out well. In particular, on behalf of the American People, I want to thank President Xi!

Jan. 30: “We think we have it very well under control. We have very little problem in this country at this moment

Feb. 7 (tweet):Just had a long and very good conversation by phone with President Xi of China. He is strong, sharp and powerfully focused on leading the counterattack on the Coronavirus. He feels they are doing very well, even building hospitals in a matter of only days. Nothing is easy, but.......he will be successful, especially as the weather starts to warm & the virus hopefully becomes weaker, and then gone. Great discipline is taking place in China, as President Xi strongly leads what will be a very successful operation. We are working closely with China to help!

Feb. 10: “I think the virus is going to be — it’s going to be fine.”

Feb. 14: “We have a very small number of people in the country, right now, with it. It’s like around 12. Many of them are getting better. Some are fully recovered already. So we’re in very good shape.”

Feb. 19: “I think it’s going to work out fine. I think when we get into April, in the warmer weather, that has a very negative effect on that and that type of a virus. So let’s see what happens, but I think it’s going to work out fine.”

Feb. 24 (tweet): The Coronavirus is very much under control in the USA. We are in contact with everyone and all relevant countries. CDC & World Health have been working hard and very smart. Stock Market starting to look very good to me!

Feb 25: “You may ask about the coronavirus which is very well under control in our country. We have very few people with it & the people that have it are getting better. Theyre all getting better. As far as what we’re doing with the new virus I think that we’re doing a great job”

Feb. 26: “Because of all we’ve done, the risk to the American people remains very low. … When you have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero. That’s a pretty good job we’ve done."

Feb. 28: “I think it’s really going well. … We’re prepared for the worst, but we think we’re going to be very fortunate."

Feb. 28: “It’s going to disappear. One day, it’s like a miracle, it will disappear.”

Feb. 28: “This is their new hoax.”

March 4: “Some people will have this at a very light level and won’t even go to a doctor or hospital, and they’ll get better. There are many people like that.”

March 9 (tweet): The Coronavirus is very much under control in the USA. We are in contact with everyone and all relevant countries. CDC & World Health have been working hard and very smart. Stock Market starting to look very good to me!

March 9 (tweet): “So last year 37,000 Americans died from the common Flu. It averages between 27,000 and 70,000 per year. Nothing is shut down, life & the economy go on. At this moment there are 546 confirmed cases of CoronaVirus, with 22 deaths. Think about that!”

March 10: “And it hit the world. And we’re prepared, and we’re doing a great job with it. And it will go away. Just stay calm. It will go away.”

March 11: “I think we’re going to get through it very well.”

March 12: “It’s going to go away. The US, because of what I did and what the administration did with China, we have 32 deaths at this point … when you look at the kind of numbers that you’re seeing coming out of other countries, it’s pretty amazing when you think of it.”

March 15: “This is a very contagious virus. It’s incredible. But it’s something that we have tremendous control over.”

March 16: “If you’re talking about the virus, no, that’s not under control for any place in the world.”

March 17: “I’ve always known this is a, this is a real, this is a pandemic … I’ve felt that it was a pandemic long before it was called a pandemic.”

oh the sweet irony.

if it made you smile then I am happy...

I never got, from his words, that the virus was not a serious threat.
:easy:

totally agree that his immediate response will be that of a vindictive baby.

Really? His responses seem to be calculated for effect. Even you say that Trump's lives in the Dems head, or something like that.

if the media could
stop lying and be accurate for two consecutive seconds where he’s concerned, that would help.
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And that is the germ that breeds his calculated responses.

:easy:

Wasn't difficult.

So he didn't down play the virus for a few weeks until he then said he knew it was a pandemic all along?

He took the bold step of restricting travel from China on day one. And his thanks for that, is that the guy you're going to vote for, called him a xenophobe for doing so.

So Biden (who you will vote for) claims Trump went too far, you say he didn't go far enough...which is it?

I have hated much of what Trump has said (going after a reporter, no matter how big a clown he may be, has no place right now), I like the actions he is taking.

And that is the germ that breeds his calculated responses.

I don't like him calling out a specific reporter in a briefing about a pandemic. I have no problem with him calmly and correctly pointing out the laughable media bias.

Let them go berserk. It would be more presidential, if could rise above it for two weeks. I know it's not his style, and often being non-presidential has been exactly what we need.

C&P from an earlier post

an. 22: “It’s going to be just fine. We have it totally under control.”

Jan. 24 (tweet):China has been working very hard to contain the Coronavirus. The United States greatly appreciates their efforts and transparency. It will all work out well. In particular, on behalf of the American People, I want to thank President Xi!

Jan. 30: “We think we have it very well under control. We have very little problem in this country at this moment

Feb. 7 (tweet):Just had a long and very good conversation by phone with President Xi of China. He is strong, sharp and powerfully focused on leading the counterattack on the Coronavirus. He feels they are doing very well, even building hospitals in a matter of only days. Nothing is easy, but.......he will be successful, especially as the weather starts to warm & the virus hopefully becomes weaker, and then gone. Great discipline is taking place in China, as President Xi strongly leads what will be a very successful operation. We are working closely with China to help!

Feb. 10: “I think the virus is going to be — it’s going to be fine.”

Feb. 14: “We have a very small number of people in the country, right now, with it. It’s like around 12. Many of them are getting better. Some are fully recovered already. So we’re in very good shape.”

Feb. 19: “I think it’s going to work out fine. I think when we get into April, in the warmer weather, that has a very negative effect on that and that type of a virus. So let’s see what happens, but I think it’s going to work out fine.”

Feb. 24 (tweet): The Coronavirus is very much under control in the USA. We are in contact with everyone and all relevant countries. CDC & World Health have been working hard and very smart. Stock Market starting to look very good to me!

Feb 25: “You may ask about the coronavirus which is very well under control in our country. We have very few people with it & the people that have it are getting better. Theyre all getting better. As far as what we’re doing with the new virus I think that we’re doing a great job”

Feb. 26: “Because of all we’ve done, the risk to the American people remains very low. … When you have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero. That’s a pretty good job we’ve done."

Feb. 28: “I think it’s really going well. … We’re prepared for the worst, but we think we’re going to be very fortunate."

Feb. 28: “It’s going to disappear. One day, it’s like a miracle, it will disappear.”

Feb. 28: “This is their new hoax.”

March 4: “Some people will have this at a very light level and won’t even go to a doctor or hospital, and they’ll get better. There are many people like that.”

March 9 (tweet): The Coronavirus is very much under control in the USA. We are in contact with everyone and all relevant countries. CDC & World Health have been working hard and very smart. Stock Market starting to look very good to me!

March 9 (tweet): “So last year 37,000 Americans died from the common Flu. It averages between 27,000 and 70,000 per year. Nothing is shut down, life & the economy go on. At this moment there are 546 confirmed cases of CoronaVirus, with 22 deaths. Think about that!”

March 10: “And it hit the world. And we’re prepared, and we’re doing a great job with it. And it will go away. Just stay calm. It will go away.”

March 11: “I think we’re going to get through it very well.”

March 12: “It’s going to go away. The US, because of what I did and what the administration did with China, we have 32 deaths at this point … when you look at the kind of numbers that you’re seeing coming out of other countries, it’s pretty amazing when you think of it.”

March 15: “This is a very contagious virus. It’s incredible. But it’s something that we have tremendous control over.”

March 16: “If you’re talking about the virus, no, that’s not under control for any place in the world.”

March 17: “I’ve always known this is a, this is a real, this is a pandemic … I’ve felt that it was a pandemic long before it was called a pandemic.”

He didn't downplay that the Coronavirus is serious. It appeared, at the times of the comments, that it was being controlled. Certainly, he was putting together an expert team to control it, which would signal that he took it seriously. He, as we all know, can loosely throw in words like "totally." Those are all selected sentences out of broader statements. Give us the full context of each to get the fuller picture.

If he actually thought that it was not serious, he would have done nothing. He started doing early, and expanded the doing along the way. Not sure what else he was supposed to do. Nor do I understand why it was supposed to be his sole responsibility. That notion is for lemmings, and the herd rushing to jump off the mountain into the abyss will follow.

A month ago, how's it going now?
The number that explains it is 41,254.

Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
· Feb 24
The Coronavirus is very much under control in the USA. We are in contact with everyone and all relevant countries. CDC & World Health have been working hard and very smart. Stock Market starting to look very good to me!

A month ago, how's it going now?
The number that explains it is 41,254.

Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
· Feb 24
The Coronavirus is very much under control in the USA. We are in contact with everyone and all relevant countries. CDC & World Health have been working hard and very smart. Stock Market starting to look very good to me!

Apparently, our administration experts, Fauci, et al, as well as all relevant countries, CDC, World Health, didn't work hard or smart enough. So many, most, wars, start out bad until they get good--the so-called learning curve. The opposing bench sitters always criticize as if the solution should have been known and implemented on day one. Often, the doomers constant criticism without solutions exacerbates the problem.

Adaptability is the mark of a good leader. Trump team has adapted.

He took the bold step of restricting travel from China on day one. And his thanks for that, is that the guy you're going to vote for, called him a xenophobe for doing so.

So Biden (who you will vote for) claims Trump went too far, you say he didn't go far enough...which is it?

I have hated much of what Trump has said (going after a reporter, no matter how big a clown he may be, has no place right now), I like the actions he is taking.

and then he didn't do a thing but down play it.

So you will vote for Trump who cost people's lives by downplaying it and then said he knew it was going to be a pandemic? Why do say it bothers you when he lies but you continue to support him? What do you say to the people who didn't do anything based on his words and his lies caused people to die?

So you will vote for Trump who cost people's lives by downplaying it and then said he knew it was going to be a pandemic? Why do say it bothers you when he lies but you continue to support him? What do you say to the people who didn't do anything based on his words and his lies caused people to die?

:rolleyes:
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Apparently, our administration experts, Fauci, et al, as well as all relevant countries, CDC, World Health, didn't work hard or smart enough. So many, most, wars, start out bad until they get good--the so-called learning curve. The opposing bench sitters always criticize as if the solution should have been known and implemented on day one. Often, the doomers constant criticism without solutions exacerbates the problem.

Adaptability is the mark of a good leader. Trump team has adapted.

They are adapting.............

The White House is launching a communications plan across multiple federal agencies that focuses on accusing Beijing of orchestrating a "cover-up" and creating a global pandemic.

There’s plenty to criticize China for: They delayed, lied, censored, and tried to cover up.

The problem is the Trump* admin did (and is doing) all these things too — not sure how this strategy justifies their own (in)action.

and then he didn't do a thing but down play it.

So you will vote for Trump who cost people's lives by downplaying it and then said he knew it was going to be a pandemic? Why do say it bothers you when he lies but you continue to support him? What do you say to the people who didn't do anything based on his words and his lies caused people to die?

Not a syllable about Biden's reaction to the Trump travel ban. Not. A. Syllable.

I see zero evidence that Trump will have caused deaths. If the media and democrats in Congress called him a nationalist xenophobe for restricting travel from China, what would they have done if he put the country in lockdown on day one? Or declared martial law, the liberals would have just loved that.

No matter what he does, no matter what, it's wrong, sinister, and bigoted.

I don't have to avoid answering your questions, because I have thought about my positions, they aren't a thoughtless reflex to love anybody or to hate anybody.

Not a syllable about Biden's reaction to the Trump travel ban. Not. A. Syllable.

I see zero evidence that Trump will have caused deaths. If the media and democrats in Congress called him a nationalist xenophobe for restricting travel from China, what would they have done if he put the country in lockdown on day one? Or declared martial law, the liberals would have just loved that.

No matter what he does, no matter what, it's wrong, sinister, and bigoted.

I don't have to avoid answering your questions, because I have thought about my positions, they aren't a thoughtless reflex to love anybody or to hate anybody.

Didn't we cover this many, many, many times previously? But you did avoid my question - his lies caused people not to worry about what he later said was a pandemic. What we are seeing now is people who where infected a week ago and those people who had the virus a week ago where infected the week before. If Trump said we have a pandemic, people would have taken the precautions they are taking today. Instead we trusted him and he admitted he lied bc he claimed he knew it was a pandemic all along while telling us it wasn't that bad.

They are adapting.............

The White House is launching a communications plan across multiple federal agencies that focuses on accusing Beijing of orchestrating a "cover-up" and creating a global pandemic.

There’s plenty to criticize China for: They delayed, lied, censored, and tried to cover up.

The problem is the Trump* admin did (and is doing) all these things too — not sure how this strategy justifies their own (in)action.

Usually, anti-Trumpers want him to somehow create policies that fight against disinformation from foreign countries that tries to create lack of trust in our government. China is trying to spread the idea that the virus started in the U.S. and that Trump is trying to blame China. If the White House is launching the communications plan you speak of, I would imagine the justification is to squelch the Chinese disinformation and pointing out that it was, indeed, originally a "Chinese" virus, not American, and the Chinese did, indeed, try to cover it up. And that cover up was critical in creating the pandemic. Had we and the world known immediately about the Wuhan crisis, much more could have been done to prevent a pandemic.

Trump administration acted much quicker than you imply. Of course, surprise surprise, not to your satisfaction.

Usually, anti-Trumpers want him to somehow create policies that fight against disinformation from foreign countries that tries to create lack of trust in our government. China is trying to spread the idea that the virus started in the U.S. and that Trump is trying to blame China. If the White House is launching the communications plan you speak of, I would imagine the justification is to squelch the Chinese disinformation and pointing out that it was, indeed, originally a "Chinese" virus, not American, and the Chinese did, indeed, try to cover it up. And that cover up was critical in creating the pandemic. Had we and the world known immediately about the Wuhan crisis, much more could have been done to prevent a pandemic.

Trump administration acted much quicker than you imply. Of course, surprise surprise, not to your satisfaction.

Trump* didn’t cause this, he squandered our only advantage, time to prepare.

Odd that South Korea achieved such different results with first case on same day and a population density 13x USA.

USA 41656
SK 8961

Apparently they had secret information or perhaps they acted swiftly and logically.

Don’t worry there’s another Trump* rally this afternoon
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Didn't we cover this many, many, many times previously? But you did avoid my question - his lies caused people not to worry about what he later said was a pandemic. What we are seeing now is people who where infected a week ago and those people who had the virus a week ago where infected the week before. If Trump said we have a pandemic, people would have taken the precautions they are taking today. Instead we trusted him and he admitted he lied bc he claimed he knew it was a pandemic all along while telling us it wasn't that bad.

I don't recall our covering it. I recall my asking, I recall you and Spence denying Biden said it (Spence still denies it). If that's covering it, and maybe it is, then yes we covered it.

"What we are seeing now is people who where infected a week ago and those people who had the virus a week ago where infected the week before"

Yes, that's how infections work you see. That's why it takes more than a day.

"But you did avoid my question "

No, I didn't avoid it. Here is my direct answer...I don't think he could have done much more early on than banning travel from China, ( and telling people to wash their hands), because he was called a nationalist xenophobe for doing even that.

Now, can you answer my question, which I'm asking for maybe the 20th time? What do you think of Biden calling Trump a xenophobe, for restricting travel from China?

I don't recall our covering it. I recall my asking, I recall you and Spence denying Biden said it (Spence still denies it). If that's covering it, and maybe it is, then yes we covered it.

"What we are seeing now is people who where infected a week ago and those people who had the virus a week ago where infected the week before"

Yes, that's how infections work you see. That's why it takes more than a day.

"But you did avoid my question "

No, I didn't avoid it. Here is my direct answer...I don't think he could have done much more early on than banning travel from China, ( and telling people to wash their hands), because he was called a nationalist xenophobe for doing even that.

Now, can you answer my question, which I'm asking for maybe the 20th time? What do you think of Biden calling Trump a xenophobe, for restricting travel from China?

Any thing a citizen says bothers me a lot less than the President of the US lying which caused people to die due to his constant downplaying the virus he even though admits it was a pandemic.

Nobody answers because the premise of your question is, as usual, based on fake news.

During a campaign rally that started at 4 pm, Biden said that “In moments like this, this is where the credibility of a president is most needed, as he explains what we should and should not do.”
“This is no time for Donald Trump’s record of hysteria and xenophobia, hysterical xenophobia, to uh, and fear mongering,” Biden continued.

Azar made the announcement at a briefing that started at 3:42 p.m.

It’s not even clear Biden knew it had been announced. The White House would later offer a more detailed proclamation at about 8 p.m. that day.

Any thing a citizen says bothers me a lot less than the President of the US lying which caused people to die due to his constant downplaying the virus he even though admits it was a pandemic.

So the fact that the citizen is (1) running for president, and (2) saying he would not have limited travel from China early on, doesn't concern you.

You're saying (I think?) Trump didn't do enough, but you're OK voting for a guy who said Trump went too far.

Trump* didn’t cause this, he squandered our only advantage, time to prepare.

Odd that South Korea achieved such different results with first case on same day and a population density 13x USA.

USA 41656
SK 8961

Apparently they had secret information or perhaps they acted swiftly and logically.

Don’t worry there’s another Trump* rally this afternoon
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You can't argue facts, time lines, public comments, statistics, inaction's or delays with this crew; there minds are made up and nothing anyone says will EVER change that. To use a statement I really never liked, it is what it is.

So the fact that the citizen is (1) running for president, and (2) saying he would not have limited travel from China early on, doesn't concern you.

You're saying (I think?) Trump didn't do enough, but you're OK voting for a guy who said Trump went too far.

No it doesn't bother me that Biden said he would not have limited travel from China (US citizens, Chinese citizens, people going to 3rd party countries then coming to US????)

Trump sat on his hind quarters (or hind halfs) or he went out and played golf while he should have been doing a lot more if he truly knew it was going to be a pandemic instead of lying to us and telling us not to worry.

No it doesn't bother me that Biden said he would not have limited travel from China (US citizens, Chinese citizens, people going to 3rd party countries then coming to US????)

Trump sat on his hind quarters (or hind halfs) or he went out and played golf while he should have been doing a lot more if he truly knew it was going to be a pandemic instead of lying to us and telling us not to worry.

settle down little buddy....:alright:

So the fact that the citizen is (1) running for president, and (2) saying he would not have limited travel from China early on, doesn't concern you.
Where did Biden even say this?

Jim, is your opinion based on anything other than fantasy?

Trump* didn’t cause this, he squandered our only advantage, time to prepare.

Odd that South Korea achieved such different results with first case on same day and a population density 13x USA.

USA 41656
SK 8961

Apparently they had secret information or perhaps they acted swiftly and logically.

Don’t worry there’s another Trump* rally this afternoon


I didn't say Trump started it, I was responding to you questioning the justification of the White House communications plan.

I don't know the SK total situation. Perhaps its more uniform political allegiances and its ability to respond with less friction in such a case than ours, which is geared more for opposition rather than agreement and cooperation, may have helped. The ethnic, racial, cultural, and social homogeneity as well as the political structure which probably doesn't have the voluminous regulatory burden, as well as a much smaller land mass with population packed within its smaller space, no doubt creates a mix that can more swiftly mobilize a regime of treatment.

You might also consider it "odd" that Italy and Iran which also have much smaller land masses with denser population than we, are doing horribly worse. It is posited that the main reason is the huge number of Chinese located in them who travel back and forth to China as a result of their participating in China's Belt and Road Initiative. They did not have a Chinese travel ban.

And, in spite of your characterization of Trump making devastating decisions, he administers a program created by his expert advisers. He did not draw up the plans all on his stable genius lonesome.

some libs here were praising him, right? and he praised trumps travel ban.

maybe it’s possible he had
something more
pressing...
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Missing tonight, another honest (far to honest apparently) dedicated expert not pulling the Trump party line, but nothing to see there.

I didn't say Trump started it, I was responding to you questioning the justification of the White House communications plan.

I don't know the SK total situation. Perhaps its more uniform political allegiances and its ability to respond with less friction in such a case than ours, which is geared more for opposition rather than agreement and cooperation, may have helped. The ethnic, racial, cultural, and social homogeneity as well as the political structure which probably doesn't have the voluminous regulatory burden, as well as a much smaller land mass with population packed within its smaller space, no doubt creates a mix that can more swiftly mobilize a regime of treatment.

You might also consider it "odd" that Italy and Iran which also have much smaller land masses with denser population than we, are doing horribly worse. It is posited that the main reason is the huge number of Chinese located in them who travel back and forth to China as a result of their participating in China's Belt and Road Initiative. They did not have a Chinese travel ban.

And, in spite of your characterization of Trump making devastating decisions, he administers a program created by his expert advisers. He did not draw up the plans all on his stable genius lonesome.

Leaders make choices, choose the path, point the way and enable others to excel.
Calling it fake, a hoax and a plot to remove him is just part of his narcissistic psychopath personality.
Hopefully you watched his rally and cheered.
Noticed they moved it to be at the evening news slot.
He said it will be done shortly and it will for some.
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Leaders make choices, choose the path, point the way and enable others to excel.

Ah so, sensei. Must put grandiose wisdom in fortune cookie.

Calling it fake, a hoax and a plot to remove him is just part of his narcissistic psychopath personality.

Sifu now amaze us with brilliant mastery of amateur psychoanalysis.

Hopefully you watched his rally and cheered.

No. So sorry, master. I follow only path you choose and point way.

Noticed they moved it to be at the evening news slot.
He said it will be done shortly and it will for some.
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Unlike followers of false guru, I will be able to excel by your teaching how to see through a glass darkly.

Pete, read it, it might clear some biased opinions up but we all know your mind is already made up, as Jim says, Orange man bad. I should not have looked in this forum, my fault. Once a month is too much I guess


Nolte: All the Establishment Media’s Dangerous Coronavirus Lies


https://www.breitbart.com/the-media/2020/03/17/nolte-all-the-establishment-medias-dangerous-coronavirus-lies/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_term=daily&utm_campaign=20200317&utm_content=B

I read it.

Feel free to keep believing.

South Korea and USA had first case on the same day.
Now SK 8961
USA 45,346
Progression doesn't care about your total population, it can only be stopped by a concerted effort.
It did not happen here.
South Korea was able to pull-off one of the lowest death rates without a lockdown, because of what? MASS TESTING!!!! Testing leads to early detection which is the key to effective treatment.

And yes, the President is responsible for his administration's actions and lack thereof.

While we are at it, now we are planning to give the guy who bankrupted a casino, whose partners wouldn't let get his hands on the cash and no banker would loan money to control of half a Trillion dollars.

Soon we will find out how many people Trump* is willing to kill for the DOW because it sure sounds like Trump* and Pence aren't planning for their social distancing plan to extend beyond 15 days.

I read it.

Feel free to keep believing.

South Korea and USA had first case on the same day.
Now SK 8961
USA 45,346
Progression doesn't care about your total population, it can only be stopped by a concerted effort.
It did not happen here.
South Korea was able to pull-off one of the lowest death rates without a lockdown, because of what? MASS TESTING!!!!

Pete....updated March 24 using worldometers

SK has 9,037 cases and 120 deaths 1.32%
US has 48,168 cases and 582 deaths 1.204%

if you claim that SK had tested "massively" more .....then those case numbers should pretty accurate and if you claim that we have thousands of cases running around yet untested our % should be an even lower number...

try to make sense , I know it's difficult in these challenging times

Where did Biden even say this?

Jim, is your opinion based on anything other than fantasy?

you’re still denying that Biden said the travel ban was xenophobic? if so, that says a lot about you. Nothing we don’t already know.

did you see the virus video he tried to make in the comfort of his own home? beyond feeble.
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you’re still denying that Biden said the travel ban was xenophobic? if so, that says a lot about you. Nothing we don’t already know.

did you see the virus video he tried to make in the comfort of his own home? beyond feeble.
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someone needs to check on Joe.....

No Dr. Fauci, probably would have been an interesting podium moment for him after Trump signals the real potential to open the US for business after the 15 days. Every medical expert would vehemently recommend against that, thanks again Donald for this mixed messaging it’s exactly what the country DOESN’T need.

Pete....updated March 24 using worldometers

SK has 9,037 cases and 120 deaths 1.32%
US has 48,168 cases and 582 deaths 1.204%

if you claim that SK had tested "massively" more .....then those case numbers should pretty accurate and if you claim that we have thousands of cases running around yet untested our % should be an even lower number...

try to make sense , I know it's difficult in these challenging times

How does that possibly make sense?
With dates roughly the same:
South Korea has tested 6109 people per million out of about 52 million.
USA has tested 339 per million out of 327 million.

Death rates are only reasonably certain as historical records, not determinable until you can determine how many people actually had the disease.
Start with one case, and there is no reason to believe that when it was discovered there was only one case. Take a guess from there as to how many people are infected in the US.
Currently the Ro is not determined for the US, it is dependent on a number of factors, duration, opportunity, probability and subseptibility.

use your thinker pete

use your thinker pete

His shoes are now off so he can count higher🤡
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I read it.

Feel free to keep believing.

South Korea and USA had first case on the same day.
Now SK 8961
USA 45,346
Progression doesn't care about your total population, it can only be stopped by a concerted effort.
It did not happen here.
South Korea was able to pull-off one of the lowest death rates without a lockdown, because of what? MASS TESTING!!!! Testing leads to early detection which is the key to effective treatment.

And yes, the President is responsible for his administration's actions and lack thereof.

While we are at it, now we are planning to give the guy who bankrupted a casino, whose partners wouldn't let get his hands on the cash and no banker would loan money to control of half a Trillion dollars.

Soon we will find out how many people Trump* is willing to kill for the DOW because it sure sounds like Trump* and Pence aren't planning for their social distancing plan to extend beyond 15 days.

I didn't say I believe it,(afterall, it is on the internet)but in my opinion the people making decisions are giving us all a better chance than if Clinton was behind the desk sipping a glass of wine. I'm trying to be positive and keep myself away from others. The situation is fluid and will get under control eventually, life has to go on and we can't bankrupt the world. Monday morning quarterbacking is not helping that I know of.

...than if Clinton was behind the desk sipping a glass of wine.
WTF does this even mean???

WTF does this even mean???

haha....touched a nerve mentioning the spence goddess

Never liked Hilary but I’d take her in this health emergency over Trump every time,
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Never liked Hilary but I’d take her in this health emergency over Trump every time,
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you can't even spell her name...

you can't even spell her name...

If he didn't throw you a bone every once in awhile what else would you have to post about?
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10 more days like this in the stock market and I'll be happy
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10 more days like this in the stock market and I'll be happy
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tell that to all of the sick and dying in New York you heartless bastard...or something....

If he didn't throw you a bone every once in awhile what else would you have to post about?
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It’s a bonus to see how petty he can be and he is good at showing it on a regular basis. Spelling as you know is extremely critical at times like this.:jump:

tell that to all of the sick and dying in New York you heartless bastard...or something....

it was in my account that I use to pay for my fund at the local Community Foundation. Called the agape fund.
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It’s a bonus to see how petty he can be and he is good at showing it on a regular basis. Spelling as you know is extremely critical at times like this.:jump:

Did you actually think he was serious about your misspelling? I took it more as being funny. He is pretty good at showing humor rather than serious, biased, bitching about Trump.

it was in my account that I use to pay for my fund at the local Community Foundation. Called the agape fund.
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I was channeling spence, if jim had written such a thing....

Did you actually think he was serious about your misspelling? I took it more as being funny. He is pretty good at showing humor rather than serious, biased, bitching about Trump.

I'm very concerned that they will eat aquarium cleaner...

It’s a bonus to see how petty he can be and he is good at showing it on a regular basis. Spelling as you know is extremely critical at times like this.:jump:

A world pandemic is no excuse to be stupid.
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A world pandemic is no excuse to be stupid.
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Oh I agree and yet you two constantly show nothing but with the lame one liners, it’s sad that’s all you to have in the way of humor, don’t give up your day jobs.

Oh I agree and yet you two constantly show nothing but with the lame one liners, it’s sad that’s all you to have in the way of humor, don’t give up your day jobs.

At least you know we are just trying to get laughs. Stay safe
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