they said it had too much money for corporations, not enough going to people.

there’s some good stuff in there...

large companies taking money cannot buy back stock for two years.

small companies taking money don’t have to pay it back if they keep employees on payroll ( that’s generous and compassionate).

student loan payments waived for 6 months

up to $3,000 for most families of four, who may get it twice. $6k is meaningful to all but the wealthy.

there will be bailout money for airlines, no choice.

Maybe Pelosi didn’t think enough was going directly to Planned Parenthood.

it's a good look for the dems

My friends company has closed 138 stores in the country and has a payroll of 7M per day. They have a 1.5 B line of credit which they have already borrowed. 3 weeks ago they celebrated their best quarter in history and now they are hanging on. Banks will be upside down in a hurry.
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And yet we are supposed to act quickly. Taking time, it is said, will kill people. Apparently not. We need to keep negotiating until we get it just right, or left enough for Pelosi.

Has ANYONE explained the need for this language:

"the amounts of individual loans or loan guarantees may be disclosed on a delayed basis of up to 6 months"

Which Mnuchin could use to keep payments to, say, the Trump* Org secret for six months?

Clean bills.

Single subject.

Page limit.

Rat a tat tat.

Mega bills are always opportunities for lobbyists and ideologues on both sides to play #^&#^&#^&#^&around.

it’s reported ( by Senator Tom Cotton, honors graduate of Harvard and a combat infantry officer) that the democrats want the aid bill modified to include expanded collective bargaining for labor unions, and larger tax credits for wind and solar.

Because that matters when we’re trying to keep unemployment from quadrupling in a month.
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Don’t forget trying to sneak in a little student debt forgiveness also.
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is this the bill McConnell said he didn't want to discuss w/the Dems. or wanted their input but now he wants their votes on it?

is this the bill McConnell said he didn't want to discuss w/the Dems. or wanted their input but now he wants their votes on it?

No, the Dems had a lot of input. It was bipartisan. And apparently agreed to. Until . . .

The way I see it, all those politicians are fighting over how many crumbs they are going to dole out to the people to keep the dust on the guillotine.
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The way I see it, all those politicians are fighting over how many crumbs they are going to dole out to the people to keep the dust on the guillotine.
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$3,000 to every family of 4, is crumbs? Can I have your crumbs then?

FREE money to small businesses if they agree to keep employees on payroll, is "crumbs"?

Waiving student loan payments for 6 months is crumbs?

You can't say there's good stuff in there that makes sense, because Orange Man Bad.

All defense
All the time
You must feel guilty
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$3,000 to every family of 4, is crumbs? Can I have your crumbs then?

FREE money to small businesses if they agree to keep employees on payroll, is "crumbs"?

Waiving student loan payments for 6 months is crumbs?

You can't say there's good stuff in there that makes sense, because Orange Man Bad.

A thousand dollars to me is a crumb compared to a millionaire who shorted the market when he and she knew this was going to be a serious crisis and bold face lied to us saying that it wasn’t going to be a problem.

Did you see trumps post of Nero playing the fiddle the night before the market crashed ?? He knew as well. They made millions and will make millions more.
Yes... crumbs. Which we will have to pay back in the form of higher taxes at some point
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No, the Dems had a lot of input. It was bipartisan. And apparently agreed to. Until . . .

That is not true.

The talks where between Schumer and Mnuchin.

$3,000 to every family of 4, is crumbs? .

I heard it will only get you a muffler

The talks where between Schumer and Mnuchin.

Schumer bargained for the Democrat party's various demands, and Mnuchin for the Republicans.

Mnuchin had previously bargained in the House with Pelosi representing the Democrat interests and Mnuchin the Republicans and they reached an agreement.

Schumer bargained for the Democrat party's various demands, and Mnuchin for the Republicans.

Mnuchin had previously bargained in the House with Pelosi representing the Democrat interests and Mnuchin the Republicans and they reached an agreement.
So by process of elimination the problem must be Mitch! Why is this of no surprise to anybody :huh:

So by process of elimination the problem must be Mitch! Why is this of no surprise to anybody :huh:

No, Schumer and Pelosi changed their minds.

No, Schumer and Pelosi changed their minds.

Allow me to respond for Spence...

That's not the way it happened (it can't be the way it happened, because that scenario would not support my view that liberal=good, conservative=bad). Do your homework, read the articles. The truth is right there.

this will all be over ... this will all be over.... this will all be over...... one day. :hidin:
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Are dems leveraging abortion crap during this crisis too? Zero shame if true
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Are dems leveraging abortion crap during this crisis too? Zero shame if true
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the first relief bill that came out of the democrat controlled house, had abortion funding. That’s why the senate killed it.

i’m not hearing anyone saying that the dems still want abortion funding. What they apparently want in there, is increased collective bargaining rights for labor unions, more money for wind/solar subsidies, and harsher emissions standards for airlines. That’s according to Senator Tom Cotton of Arkansas who i love.
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the first relief bill that came out of the democrat controlled house, had abortion funding. That’s why the senate killed it.

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False. Stop spreading untruths, lies, whatever you want to call them. If that comes from your news sources, stop trusting them. It is propaganda.

In Spain and Italy doctors are choosing who gets respirators or sedatives.
Who will you blame the death panels on here?
Not the one who takes no responsibility at all, I’m sure.
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In Spain and Italy doctors are choosing who gets respirators or sedatives.


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this can't be true...this could never happen in a country with socialized medicine...

False. Stop spreading untruths, lies, whatever you want to call them. If that comes from your news sources, stop trusting them. It is propaganda.

Joy Reid is an uber liberal host at MSNBC, an uber liberal network. She swears that was true, and called out democrats for doing so.

When Foxnews and MSNBC say the same thing, i presume
it’s true. You know more. Kudos to you.
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Joy Reid is an uber liberal host at MSNBC, an uber liberal network. She swears that was true, and called out democrats for doing so.

When Foxnews and MSNBC say the same thing, i presume
it’s true. You know more. Kudos to you.
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Jim, SHE DID NOT...

Lift a finger and actually read a full article.
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Joy Reid is an uber liberal host at MSNBC, an uber liberal network. She swears that was true, and called out democrats for doing so.

When Foxnews and MSNBC say the same thing, i presume
it’s true. You know more. Kudos to you.
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It isn't true. Stop repeating things that aren't true. Maybe Joy Reid is an idiot. It is simple to find out what the connection to abortion was and how it was addressed. I didn't know who she is, but here is her tweet that connected her to the issue

"Wow... @kasie just reported that Republicans' objections to the House Democrats' emergency coronavirus bill include issues related to abortion. What does that have to do with COVID19...?"
I find nothing else about her "swearing it is true" or "calling out democrats" unless it is a fox news or other rw nutter analysis of what that tweet means. Pelosi never included funding for abortion. It was Republican concern over lack of specificity about the Hyde amendment in the bill. They worked it out. It is a lie or spreading of incorrect information to say Pelosi included abortion funding. Stop spreading lies. Heading back under my rock now.

Jim, SHE DID NOT...

Lift a finger and actually read a full article.
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take your tampons out of
your ears, and put them
where they are supposed to go.

https://therealside.com/2020/03/what-does-covid-19-have-to-do-with-abortion/
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It isn't true. Stop repeating things that aren't true. Maybe Joy Reid is an idiot. It is simple to find out what the connection to abortion was and how it was addressed. I didn't know who she is, but here is her tweet that connected her to the issue

"Wow... @kasie just reported that Republicans' objections to the House Democrats' emergency coronavirus bill include issues related to abortion. What does that have to do with COVID19...?"
I find nothing else about her "swearing it is true" or "calling out democrats" unless it is a fox news or other rw nutter analysis of what that tweet means. Pelosi never included funding for abortion. It was Republican concern over lack of specificity about the Hyde amendment in the bill. They worked it out. It is a lie or spreading of incorrect information to say Pelosi included abortion funding. Stop spreading lies. Heading back under my rock now.
It was in the Fox News headline and then contradicted in the actual story...like most of Jim’s sources.
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It isn't true. Stop repeating things that aren't true. Maybe Joy Reid is an idiot. It is simple to find out what the connection to abortion was and how it was addressed. I didn't know who she is, but here is her tweet that connected her to the issue

"Wow... @kasie just reported that Republicans' objections to the House Democrats' emergency coronavirus bill include issues related to abortion. What does that have to do with COVID19...?"
I find nothing else about her "swearing it is true" or "calling out democrats" unless it is a fox news or other rw nutter analysis of what that tweet means. Pelosi never included funding for abortion. It was Republican concern over lack of specificity about the Hyde amendment in the bill. They worked it out. It is a lie or spreading of incorrect information to say Pelosi included abortion funding. Stop spreading lies. Heading back under my rock now.

reid asked (democrats) what abortion had to do with this relief bill. she therefore assumed, that the bull included something related to abortion. i’m guessing she doesn’t rely on sean hannity for her information, but somehow she came
to the conclusion that something related to
abortion was in the bill.
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this can't be true...this could never happen in a country with socialized medicine...

And more hospital beds per capita than the USA...........

And more hospital beds per capita than the USA...........
Actually one of the best health care systems in the world.
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this is from an article she wrote in favor of single payer for the US March 2019



"The Italian healthcare landscape includes crumbling hospitals, doctors trained on books rather than patients, and per capita spending one-third that of the United States. And Americans like to say their medical care is the best in the world, while Italians consider their National Health Service to be hopelessly dysfunctional. (In 2000 the World Health Organization ranked the Italian system second-best on the planet. But that stellar rating was based solely on equality of access on the one hand and health outcomes such as life expectancy on the other, ignoring any on-the-ground realities in between: waiting times, emergency room efficiency, surgical statistics, etc.)"

Susan Levenstein is an American doctor who has been practicing in Italy for the past 40 years..


if you get sick would you rather be in Italy or here? be honest

In Spain and Italy doctors are choosing who gets respirators or sedatives.
Who will you blame the death panels on here?
Not the one who takes no responsibility at all, I’m sure.
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Who is Spain and Italy blaming Bitchslappedboy? Perhaps they don’t play the blame game like the spoiled brats in this country.
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Actually one of the best health care systems in the world.
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The mortality numbers do not reflect your claims in this instance Jeff. Italy is hovering around 8% unfortunately while the US is steadily declining at 1.4

Let’s hope this trend continues and let that be the indicator on who has the best health care. If Bitchslappedboy is correct and Italy also has more beds per capita, then it is truly a credit to our response and preparedness. Even at 1.5 the number of deaths will be staggering.🤒
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Dingleberry,
The Italian governments consist of adults who do not need to blame others and are willing to accept the responsibility that goes with their positions and do their jobs without needing daily leader praise sessions. They went thru that with Mussolini years ago.
Percentages are impossible to quantify till you know how many people are affected.
The Italian healthcare system is overwhelmed by the coronavirus.
If we are not, it will not be because this administration was proactive.
On Jan. 30, the Italian Government blocked all flights in and out of China.
Trump* announced it on Jan. 31, effective Feb. 2

Bitchslappedboy, I sense you are overwhelmed but let me help you.
The mortality percentage is simple to quantify unless you are simple minded.
If Italy is generally known as being two weeks ahead of us then let’s hope the quick response by Trump saves lives. Thank god Biden isn't in office or planes from China would still be incoming.
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The mortality numbers do not reflect your claims in this instance Jeff. Italy is hovering around 8% unfortunately while the US is steadily declining at 1.4
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Comparing these two numbers right now makes no sense given the differences in timing and number of variables. It’s actually pretty stupid, shortsighted and thankfully you don’t really influence things otherwise also dangerous. I’m sure Trump will cite it soon.
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The testing isn’t where it needs to be so to predict where this is heading and what the real infection and death rates are or will be is a best guess. In a couple weeks we might have a better handle on it, but I seriously doubt we will all be given the green light to carry on.

Comparing these two numbers right now makes no sense given the differences in timing and number of variables. It’s actually pretty stupid, shortsighted and thankfully you don’t really influence things otherwise also dangerous. I’m sure Trump will cite it soon.
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Based on Bitchslappedboy’s response this was simply the easiest way to roll out pertinent information. Given the rate in SouthKorea an optimistic outlook could keep these numbers in range. This is why I mentioned the timing of two weeks. Perhaps you haven’t paid attention to the numbers globally in your relentless pursuit of Trump. Stay safe guys.
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The testing isn’t where it needs to be so to predict where this is heading and what the real infection and death rates are or will be is a best guess. In a couple weeks we might have a better handle on it, but I seriously doubt we will all be given the green light to carry on.
That is why I didn’t offer a prediction. Jeff didn’t understand this point,glad you do!
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Bitchslappedboy, I sense you are overwhelmed but let me help you.
The mortality percentage is simple to quantify unless you are simple minded.
If Italy is generally known as being two weeks ahead of us then let’s hope the quick response by Trump saves lives. Thank god Biden isn't in office or planes from China would still be incoming.
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Just what did Trump do?
List the actions

Clean bills.

Single subject.

Page limit.

Rat a tat tat.

Mega bills are always opportunities for lobbyists and ideologues on both sides to play #^&#^&#^&#^&around.

I almost never post here but look in daily for the spectacle of spy vs spy like stuff. I don't share his side of fence but this post by PeteF may be the best post i've ever read here.

So the Repubs. brought the bill up for a vote and they knew they didn't have the votes for it to pass and then blamed the Dems.?

Politics as usual.

Word is they are close to agreement. I can't forget that not one Repub. voted for the Obama bailout.

I almost never post here but look in daily for the spectacle of spy vs spy like stuff. I don't share his side of fence but this post by PeteF may be the best post i've ever read here.

it's one of his shortest posts so in that respect a spectacular achievement :musc:

So the Repubs. brought the bill up for a vote and they knew they didn't have the votes for it to pass and then blamed the Dems.?

Politics as usual.

Word is they are close to agreement. I can't forget that not one Repub. voted for the Obama bailout.

Pigheaded grudges don’t help the sick. Let it go and take a bubble bath.
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Pigheaded grudges don’t help the sick. Let it go and take a bubble bath.
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I know that you aren't that smart but who said anything about grudges? It is point out the hypocrisy.

I know that you aren't that smart but who said anything about grudges?

If you can’t forget about Republicans voting on Obama what would you call it? Asking for a friend
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. I can't forget that not one Repub. voted for the Obama bailout.

a bill which turned out to be a flop. even obama joked that it didn’t work.
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a bill which turned out to be a flop. even obama joked that it didn’t work.
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History clearly has a different view. I fear that the stimulus probably did far less than the Democrats in Washington would like to believe. But I also think it borders on absurd to say that it did nothing.

AS always the truth ls some where in the middle

History clearly has a different view

of his stimulus? please elaborate?

the bailout worked, as did other things. but his signature stimulus package, didn’t do much.

maybe clear to those who can’t be critical of their side. but while i give obama good marks on handling the economy in general, that one program was a flop.
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a bill which turned out to be a flop. even obama joked that it didn’t work.
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saved the auto industry - didn't it?

Then why didn't the Repubs. make some substantive suggestions?

And you're still worried about a joke Obama made 10 years ago. - Post up what he said bc it wasn't that it didn't work.

How Well It Succeeded


In a 2009 report, the CBO projected ARRA would stimulate gross domestic product by 1.4% to 3.8% for the fourth quarter in 2009.[7] The stimulus was successful in 2009 GDP. The economy grew 1.7% in the third quarter and 3.8% in the fourth quarter. That's a big improvement over the first quarter's 6.7% drop and the second quarter's 0.7% decline.[8]


In 2009, the CBO predicted that ARRA would increase employment by 7 million full-time jobs by the end of 2012.[9] By 2010, the CBO said that ARRA's policies increased the number of full-time-equivalent jobs by 2 million to 4.8 million.[10

saved the auto industry - didn't it?

Then why didn't the Repubs. make some substantive suggestions?

And you're still worried about a joke Obama made 10 years ago. - Post up what he said bc it wasn't that it didn't work.

How Well It Succeeded


In a 2009 report, the CBO projected ARRA would stimulate gross domestic product by 1.4% to 3.8% for the fourth quarter in 2009.[7] The stimulus was successful in 2009 GDP. The economy grew 1.7% in the third quarter and 3.8% in the fourth quarter. That's a big improvement over the first quarter's 6.7% drop and the second quarter's 0.7% decline.[8]


In 2009, the CBO predicted that ARRA would increase employment by 7 million full-time jobs by the end of 2012.[9] By 2010, the CBO said that ARRA's policies increased the number of full-time-equivalent jobs by 2 million to 4.8 million.[10

the earlier bailouts saved the auto industry.

obama promised his stimulus would
keep unemployment below 8% (maybe he promised it would stay below 6%, can’t remember?). . after it passed, unemployment went over 10%.
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the earlier bailouts saved the auto industry.

obama promised his stimulus would
keep unemployment below 8% (maybe he promised it would stay below 6%, can’t remember?). . after it passed, unemployment went over 10%.
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the stimulus probably did far less than the Democrats in Washington would like to believe. But I also think it borders on absurd to say that it did nothing.


can see this repeating with this package when passed

the earlier bailouts saved the auto industry.

obama promised his stimulus would
keep unemployment below 8% (maybe he promised it would stay below 6%, can’t remember?). . after it passed, unemployment went over 10%.
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So it looks like you agree it wasn't large enough. The Dems. kept lowering the $ at the suggestions (demands?) of the Repubs. and then the Repubs didn't vote for it.

So it looks like you agree it wasn't large enough. The Dems. kept lowering the $ at the suggestions (demands?) of the Repubs. and then the Repubs didn't vote for it.

nooo, I said it didn't work as it was promised it would. Unlike liberals such as yourself, I don't assume that spending more money always makes things better.

Obama did other things that worked well. I've said 100 times I think Obama gets good grades on handling the economy. I think the recovery act was a flop, I think the empirical results, compared to promises, make that clear. More importantly is that overall he helped guide us way, way back from a horrible recession.

So it looks like you agree it wasn't large enough. The Dems. kept lowering the $ at the suggestions (demands?) of the Repubs. and then the Repubs didn't vote for it.

How did the GOP have the clout to demand anything then? The dems controlled the white house, the house, and the senate.

nooo, I said it didn't work as it was promised it would. Unlike liberals such as yourself, I don't assume that spending more money always makes things better.Have I ever said that?

Obama did other things that worked well. I've said 100 times I think Obama gets good grades on handling the economy. I think the recovery act was a flop, I think the empirical results, compared to promises, make that clear. More importantly is that overall he helped guide us way, way back from a horrible recession.

I showed you facts that indicated it did lower unemployment.

I showed you facts that indicated it did lower unemployment.

Yes, you did say that. You said the fact it's flawed, means it should have been a bigger (more expensive) government program.

I never said unemployment didn't eventually go down after that act was passed. WHat I said, and I'm 100% correct, is that Obama promised unemployment would stay below 8% (or maybe 6%) if it passed, but then after it passed, unemployment went over 10%. Therefore, the program didn't come close to doing what it was touted to do.

Yes, you did say that. You said the fact it's flawed, means it should have been a bigger (more expensive) government program.

I never said unemployment didn't eventually go down after that act was passed. WHat I said, and I'm 100% correct, is that Obama promised unemployment would stay below 8% (or maybe 6%) if it passed, but then after it passed, unemployment went over 10%. Therefore, the program didn't come close to doing what it was touted to do.

You said that "Unlike liberals such as yourself, I don't assume that spending more money always makes things better". I asked you if I ever said that? So you can't point out where I said spending money always makes things better. As you have said - How about a thread of honesty.

So it made things better but less than Obama said and that makes it a flop?

You said that "Unlike liberals such as yourself, I don't assume that spending more money always makes things better". I asked you if I ever said that? So you can't point out where I said spending money always makes things better. As you have said - How about a thread of honesty.

So it made things better but less than Obama said and that makes it a flop?

things got better. i don’t know if things got better because of the recovery act. all i know for a fact, is that it didn’t do anywhere near what Obama promised it would, to minimize unemployment. This we know. all else is speculation.

and you said to me, in response
to the bill not working, that it wasn’t big enough, or that the feds didn’t go far enough. funny i recall your posts better than you do.
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things got better. i don’t know if things got better because of the recovery act. all i know for a fact, is that it didn’t do anywhere near what Obama promised it would, to minimize unemployment. This we know. all else is speculation.

and you said to me, in response
to the bill not working, that it wasn’t big enough, or that the feds didn’t go far enough. funny i recall your posts better than you do.
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But you said "Unlike liberals such as yourself, I don't assume that spending more money always makes things better".

So my saying it needed more $ wasn't saying "that spending more money always makes things better"

Funny, my reading comprehension is better than yours and you seem not to remember what you claim people said.

So what is the hold up with the House vote?

So what is the hold up with the House vote?

probably reflecting on what you said about the o'biden bama stimulus and wondering if we shouldn't just drop 20 trillion because the more the merrier

There are a couple of geniuses that Kentucky sent to DC, one to spread the virus and one who objects to the cost, so he's willing to add 200K

Leaders in both parties had hoped to pass the measure with a sparsely attended voice vote — remarkable for a bill of such magnitude — so scattered lawmakers don’t have to risk coronavirus exposure by traveling back to Washington. But members who were able and willing to return did so amid fears that iconoclastic Rep. Thomas Massie, R-Ky., an opponent of the bill, may seek to force a roll call vote on Friday.

The office of Majority Leader Steny Hoyer, D-Md., wrote in an advisory to members Thursday night: "Members are advised that it is possible this measure will not pass by voice vote."

Rep. Fred Upton, R-Mich., wrote Thursday evening on Twitter: "The CARES Act is historic legislation, which is why I'm driving back to DC to help get this thing over the finish line." The drive from his Kalamazoo-area district back to Washington is nearly 10 hours.


Rep. Dean Phillips
✔
@RepDeanPhillips
Dear @RepThomasMassie: If you intend to delay passage of the #coronavirus relief bill tomorrow morning, please advise your 428 colleagues RIGHT NOW so we can book flights and expend ~$200,000 in taxpayer money to counter your principled but terribly misguided stunt. #thankyou


The House vote on the $2.2 trillion measure comes after an extraordinary 96-0 Senate vote late Wednesday. President Donald Trump marveled at the unanimity Thursday and is eager to sign the package into law. That is if Congress approves it first.

I get it Bitchslappedboy
Mailman
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The White House is trying to establish an alternate reality where in which Trump was a competent, focused leader who saved American people from the coronavirus.

If only it were true.
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I really feel for state leaders, it doesn’t matter which governor you listen to, the frustration with the response and messaging out of the White House is clear. In a Trump presidential like (NOT) response, he has the audacity to say to all in a briefing, he wants them to be more appreciative and after tells Pence he doesn’t want him reaching out to those Trump feels have disrespected him. Many states are starting to have health care systems overwhelmed and Trump is spinning an optimistic view that we can finally open up parts of the country for business. If he were actually Listening to the scientists and if he understand that being so far behind in testing, we can’t possibly know where this has or is going. If the weak minded see this as a message that they can go back to normal, it further enhances the spread.

Daily briefs are Trump rally’s, so appropriate, but I’m sure the base is eating it up.

I really feel for state leaders, it doesn’t matter which governor you listen to, the frustration with the response and messaging out of the White House is clear. In a Trump presidential like (NOT) response, he has the audacity to say to all in a briefing, he wants them to be more appreciative and after tells Pence he doesn’t want him reaching out to those Trump feels have disrespected him. Many states are starting to have health care systems overwhelmed and Trump is spinning an optimistic view that we can finally open up parts of the country for business. If he were actually Listening to the scientists and if he understand that being so far behind in testing, we can’t possibly know where this has or is going. If the weak minded see this as a message that they can go back to normal, it further enhances the spread.

Daily briefs are Trump rally’s, so appropriate, but I’m sure the base is eating it up.

:deadhorse: :deadhorse: :deadhorse: :deadhorse: :deadhorse: :deadhorse: :deadhorse:

Who knows more about being weak minded?
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The one liners have responded with their usual wisdom, the only ones impressed are in your little circle jerk.

Just trying to add levity to a dire situation.
Others, like yourself, pour gas on the fire and think they are helping. I understand your fears but the lashing out is not going to help the weak minded. Stay stronger 💪🏻
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Just trying to add levity to a dire situation.
Others, like yourself, pour gas on the fire and think they are helping. I understand your fears but the lashing out is not going to help the weak minded. Stay stronger 💪🏻
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I love your argument and a similar one blue man font put forward, you two must have a grandiose idea about how many people come to read this forum to read your words of wisdom. What do we have 6-8 regulars, all of whom are pretty set in viewpoints, so nothing anyone posts on this forum means anything and it has zero impact to anyone’s life during this crisis.

Some on one side use this forum as an opportunity to vent some frustrations in what we see happening with the federal response and the terrible and dangerous messaging coming from the White House. I believe those of us in the group also know nothing we post will change anyone’s opinion on the other side. in response you three in your mutual admiration society use that opportunity to belittle our concerns, throw childish insults and post some inappropriate attempts at humor. Blue man is less abrasive and chooses to impress us with his cerebral approach to debating our concerns.

I see your posts getting under some people’s skin and you seem to thrive on stirring the pot. If you knew me you would know there isn’t a more confident, optimistic and accepting person around. Your crap rolls right off my back, but it is sometime appropriate to call you out on the endless bull. I don’t ever talk politics with friends, I’ve seen that end a couple friendships during this presidents term, so I use this forum as my place to let out some frustration with politics in general. The itty bitty flame you think I’m flaming in this tiny universe wouldn’t light a cigarette.

Let’s get real, this board is a place to vent it’s nothing more than that at this point, there is little meaningful debate happening here.

Thank you for sharing your gibberish.

Stop trying to convince me that you are not afraid. I see the fear in your posts. Classic scared bunny.
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Thank you for sharing your gibberish.

Stop trying to convince me that you are not afraid. I see the fear in your posts. Classic scared bunny.
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Like I said IF you knew me and you don’t, my fear is my golf course isn’t going to open soon, only so many pickerel you can catch before it gets old. Am I concerned for my sons who are rubbing elbows with the public out of necessity sure, but don’t confuse concern with fear. Carry on.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yf7OhH5kPfc

You should tell the idiot in the White House to listen
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