Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
Our people want to return to work. They will practice Social Distancing and all else, and Seniors will be watched over protectively & lovingly. We can do two things together. THE CURE CANNOT BE WORSE (by far) THAN THE PROBLEM! Congress MUST ACT NOW. We will come back strong!
10:16 AM · Mar 24, 2020

When you combine a total lack of leadership with an absence of critical thinking skills and add zero accountability, you have a complete picture of the Trump Administration. The above combination always proves lethal in any crisis situation, and this will be no exception.

An Arizona man has died and his wife is in a critical condition after both ingested a form of chloroquine in an apparent effort to guard against Covid-19.

The drug has been touted by President Donald Trump as a possible treatment for the virus.

It is also an additive commonly used to clean fish tanks.

Shortly after ingestion, the couple fell ill,

The couple were both in their 60s.

So sad they went all in Based on what Trump said...

An Arizona man has died and his wife is in a critical condition after both ingested a form of chloroquine in an apparent effort to guard against Covid-19.

The drug has been touted by President Donald Trump as a possible treatment for the virus.

It is also an additive commonly used to clean fish tanks.

Shortly after ingestion, the couple fell ill,

The couple were both in their 60s.

So sad they went all in Based on what Trump said...

How about we call an idiot an idiot, natural selection took his dumb ass out.
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An Arizona man has died and his wife is in a critical condition after both ingested a form of chloroquine in an apparent effort to guard against Covid-19.

The drug has been touted by President Donald Trump as a possible treatment for the virus.

It is also an additive commonly used to clean fish tanks.

Shortly after ingestion, the couple fell ill,

The couple were both in their 60s.

So sad they went all in Based on what Trump said...

I am glad he didn’t tell them to jump off a bridge.

Thanks for sharing the stupidity 👍🏽
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Please do not take medical advice from a man who looked directly at a solar eclipse.

An Arizona man has died and his wife is in a critical condition after both ingested a form of chloroquine in an apparent effort to guard against Covid-19.

The drug has been touted by President Donald Trump as a possible treatment for the virus.

It is also an additive commonly used to clean fish tanks.

Shortly after ingestion, the couple fell ill,

The couple were both in their 60s.

So sad they went all in Based on what Trump said...

LOTS of people
are touring this drug, including doctors. So how would
you know that these people took this drug because if what Trump
said?

Also hearing they took the wrong kind.
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wdmso, i looked it up, he took the wrong chemical. he fish tank cleaner is not for human consumption.

Are you man enough to retract your blaming this on Trump. Trump didn’t tell anyone to ingest fish tank cleaner. but a bad thing happened, so your instinct was to blame
him.
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LOTS of people
are touring this drug, including doctors. So how would
you know that these people took this drug because if what Trump
said?

Also hearing they took the wrong kind.
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They didn't take the drug. They drank fish tank cleaner which had chloroquine as one of the ingredients. They just took it on their own. Didn't get it from a doctor or hospital, who would have given them the pharmacological form used as medicine and in combination with other medicinal things.

As Dad Fisherman said "natural selection took his dumb ass out.

Sorry Jim. Was posting mine just after you and didn't see your post. wdmso may have gotten his info from the usual fake news which selects the part of info that's supposed to make Trump stupid, and leave out the rest of the story.

Sorry Jim. Was posting mine just after you and didn't see your post. wdmso may have gotten his info from the usual fake news which selects the part of info that's supposed to make Trump stupid, and leave out the rest of the story.

if he’s getting his news from sources that say trump
is somehow to blame for this, he should re-think where he gets his news. Because his current source is taking him for a sucker.
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wdmso, i looked it up, he took the wrong chemical. he fish tank cleaner is not for human consumption.

Are you man enough to retract your blaming this on Trump. Trump didn’t tell anyone to ingest fish tank cleaner. but a bad thing happened, so your instinct was to blame
him.
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man thought aquarium cleaner with the same name as the anti-viral drug chloroquine would prevent coronavirus. It killed him.

In Maricopa County, Ariz., a couple in their 60s watched politicians and news anchors on TV tout chloroquine, an anti-malaria drug that has shown the ability to disrupt some viruses but that has not yet been proved effective against the novel coronavirus.

Guess what channel they were watching :eyes: trump ostriches the lot of ya keeping your heads planted firmly in the sand


How can you not blame Trump for spreading bad information
President Donald Trump once again praised an unproven treatment for the coronavirus during a press briefing at the White House on Monday — just hours after an Arizona medical facility announced a fatality from someone trying to self-medicate with it.



Trump erroneously claimed during a briefing last week that the FDA had approved the drug to treat COVID-19.

wdmso, please show us where Trump suggested it’s a good idea to ingest anything other than the actual drug?

this is really pathetic, even for you.
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man thought aquarium cleaner with the same name as the anti-viral drug chloroquine would prevent coronavirus. It killed him.

In Maricopa County, Ariz., a couple in their 60s watched politicians and news anchors on TV tout chloroquine, an anti-malaria drug that has shown the ability to disrupt some viruses but that has not yet been proved effective against the novel coronavirus.

Guess what channel they were watching :eyes:

and it’s not the same
name. it has chloroquine as an ingredient.
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wdmso, please show us where Trump suggested it’s a good idea to ingest anything other than the actual drug?

this is really pathetic, even for you.
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your really cherry picking aren't you... you dont understand how or why this man took something he thought would protect him and his wife ,
after Trump erroneously claimed during a briefing last week that the FDA had approved the drug to treat COVID-19.

The man's wife, who asked her name not be used to protect her privacy, told NBC News that she took the drug after "I saw it sitting on the back shelf and thought, 'Hey, isn't that the stuff they're talking about on TV?'"

"We were afraid of getting sick,"

earth to wdmso, they took something completely different from the drug that people are saying helps.
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Since South Korea seems to be the model here for dealing with the coronavirus pandemic, here are the treatment Guidelines from South Korea:

According to the Korea Biomedical Review, the South Korean COVID-19 Central Clinical Task Force guidelines are as follows:

1. If patients are young, healthy, and have mild symptoms without underlying conditions, doctors can observe them without antiviral treatment;

2. If more than 10 days have passed since the onset of the illness and the symptoms are mild, physicians do not have to start an antiviral medication;

3. However, if patients are old or have underlying conditions with serious symptoms, physicians should consider an antiviral treatment. If they decide to use the antiviral therapy, they should start the administration as soon as possible:

chloroquine 500mg orally per day.

[the guidelines mention other antivirals as further lines of defense, including anti-HIV drugs.]


4. As chloroquine is not available in Korea, doctors could consider hydroxychloroquine 400mg orally per day (Hydroxychloroquine is an analog of chloroquine used against malaria, autoimmune disorders, etc. It is widely available as well)

5. The treatment is suitable for 7 - 10 days, which can be shortened or extended depending on clinical progress.

earth to wdmso, they took something completely different from the drug that people are saying helps.
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no kidding they just saw the key words chloroquine..and we all know the answer ..... the wife basically said as much

just like we all know where Covid 19 started ..

but let's defend Trump for calling it the chineses virus

Yuanyuan Zhu was walking to her gym in San Francisco on March 9, thinking the workout could be her last for a while, when she noticed that a man was shouting at her. He was yelling an expletive about China. Then a bus passed, she recalled, and he screamed after it, “Run them over.”,


Trump he was kind enough to say It is very important that we totally protect our Asian American community in the United States, and all around the world. They are amazing people, and the spreading of the Virus....is NOT their fault in any way, shape, or form. They are working closely with us to get rid of it. WE WILL PREVAIL TOGETHER!

my only point has been taking the drug or or suggesting the bus run her over ..guess where did they get that idea from? the suggestion need not be Direct or even intended, innuendo for some is all they need

no kidding they just saw the key words chloroquine..and we all know the answer ..... the wife basically said as much

just like we all know where Covid 19 started ..

but let's defend Trump for calling it the chineses virus

Yuanyuan Zhu was walking to her gym in San Francisco on March 9, thinking the workout could be her last for a while, when she noticed that a man was shouting at her. He was yelling an expletive about China. Then a bus passed, she recalled, and he screamed after it, “Run them over.”,


Trump he was kind enough to say It is very important that we totally protect our Asian American community in the United States, and all around the world. They are amazing people, and the spreading of the Virus....is NOT their fault in any way, shape, or form. They are working closely with us to get rid of it. WE WILL PREVAIL TOGETHER!

my only point has been taking the drug or or suggesting the bus run her over ..guess where did they get that idea from? the suggestion need not be Direct or even intended, innuendo for some is all they need

did trump ever hint to anyone, that they should ingest any product where one of the ingredients is chloroquine?

You’re denying the virus started in China now?
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ive seen a lot on this forum, i’ve never seen anything as stupid as implying that trump is responsible for this death.
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ive seen a lot on this forum, i’ve never seen anything as stupid as implying that trump is responsible for this death.
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agree... we're in uncharted territory:hihi:

As long as you are looking at South Korea for guidance.

Lee Wang-jun, the leader of the Working Group of the Korean Hospital Association's COVID-19 Emergency Response Headquarter and chairman of Myongji Hospital, also said the country needed a long-term measure to fight COVID-19, given that community-acquired infections were gradually rising nationwide, setting aside Daegu and North Gyeongsang Province.

“We hope that this upward trend could peak in late March or early April and recede later on. Even if we get a respite in late April, the outbreak is likely to continue throughout this year and maybe into next year, or a year after that,” Lee said.

Lee predicted that the influx of the pandemic would become a new source of infections, and sporadic cluster infections will continue. Even if a treatment is developed, it will mainly treat pneumonia in severe patients, he noted.

“It is difficult to expect a drug like Tamiflu, and the vaccine development seems to be also challenging,” he added.

Lee warned that repeated spreads of COVID-19 could occur when the following conditions were met: a global pandemic, an explosive rise of COVID-19 patients in the U.S. and Europe, the inefficiency of the healthcare system of the U.S., the winter in the southern hemisphere, and the possibility of COVID-19 becoming an endemic disease in Africa.

Although the next two weeks are crucial to prevent a further spread of COVID-19, people should not expect that temporary social distancing would end the pandemic early and return to normal, Lee warned.

“You should not make a strategy with an expectation for an end. We can’t go back to normal. We should prepare for the new normal of an infectious disease era,” he emphasized.

Lee called for reorganizing the Korean healthcare system to prepare for a long-term battle against the virus.

“The healthcare system should be changed to fight a sustainable battle, not an emergency maneuvering battle,” he said.

Lee proposed dividing the emergency medical capacity all focused on COVID-19 containment into two – a stable medical system to respond to the virus infection and a normal patient care system.

“The government should reorganize the regional control towers so that the government-led disease control leadership does not create conflict with the on-site medical workers,” he said.

Korean society needs a new philosophy and a creative disease control strategy for a long-term fight. People should know that the medical workers’ dedication and citizens’ participation are most important to efficiently choose and focus resources and workforce, and distribute and manage them, Lee added.

Meanwhile Trump* unwittingly lets Pence propose the Rapture in the weeks after Easter.

ive seen a lot on this forum, i’ve never seen anything as stupid as implying that trump is responsible for this death.
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Perhaps a better interpretation of what happened to these poor souls is that stupid people believe Trump*.;)

agree... we're in uncharted territory:hihi:

He’s literally siphoning the IQ points out of the atmosphere with this argument.

It’s like one Giant never ending Popsicle headache :wall:
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As long as you are looking at South Korea for guidance.



I'm not looking at SK for guidance. You seemed to look to it as a model as compared to what you profess that Trump did or didn't do. For those who feel that the SK model is so good and better than Trump's, and that Trump is stupid or dangerously saying something that might inspire folks to harm or kill themselves, I pointed that the chloroquine drug is part of the recommended guide to treatment by the supposedly superior SK guidance for treatment.

I would think that people like wdmso, if he had a serious attack of the virus that doctors had run the course of treatment and could no longer help, he would appreciate the information that there is a drug that has effectively been used to reverse the effects of the virus. Maybe I'm wrong, but if there was nothing else the doctors could do for wdmso, and he was about to enter the eternal unknown, I think he would give a chloroquine drug cocktail a try.

In spite of your "Perhaps a better interpretation of what happened to these poor souls is that stupid people believe Trump*", if you were in a position that doctors could no longer help you with FDA approved medicine to recover from the virus, wouldn't you be glad that someone, a "leader," informed us that there was something that might help, that it has helped, and that he was helping to provide the drug to our medical facilities?

man thought aquarium cleaner with the same name as the anti-viral drug chloroquine would prevent coronavirus. It killed him.

In Maricopa County, Ariz., a couple in their 60s watched politicians and news anchors on TV tout chloroquine, an anti-malaria drug that has shown the ability to disrupt some viruses but that has not yet been proved effective against the novel coronavirus.

Guess what channel they were watching :eyes: trump ostriches the lot of ya keeping your heads planted firmly in the sand


How can you not blame Trump for spreading bad information
President Donald Trump once again praised an unproven treatment for the coronavirus during a press briefing at the White House on Monday — just hours after an Arizona medical facility announced a fatality from someone trying to self-medicate with it.



Trump erroneously claimed during a briefing last week that the FDA had approved the drug to treat COVID-19.

I told my 21 year old daughter about this perspective. She replied that some people are just idiots. Not sure if she was referring to you or the other idiots.🤷🏿#^&♂️
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I told my 21 year old daughter about this perspective. She replied that some people are just idiots. Not sure if she was referring to you or the other idiots.🤷🏿#^&♂️
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Could be she was referring to Trump suggesting churches should be able to be full of worshipers on Easter.

Could be she was referring to Trump suggesting churches should be able to be full of worshipers on Easter.

No, she was referring to the stupidity being propagated by Wayne.
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Please do not take medical advice from a man who looked directly at a solar eclipse.

It took a while but you made a funny.
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agree... we're in uncharted territory:hihi:

There are no words.

I'm not looking at SK for guidance. You seemed to look to it as a model as compared to what you profess that Trump did or didn't do. For those who feel that the SK model is so good and better than Trump's, and that Trump is stupid or dangerously saying something that might inspire folks to harm or kill themselves, I pointed that the chloroquine drug is part of the recommended guide to treatment by the supposedly superior SK guidance for treatment.

I would think that people like wdmso, if he had a serious attack of the virus that doctors had run the course of treatment and could no longer help, he would appreciate the information that there is a drug that has effectively been used to reverse the effects of the virus. Maybe I'm wrong, but if there was nothing else the doctors could do for wdmso, and he was about to enter the eternal unknown, I think he would give a chloroquine drug cocktail a try.

In spite of your "Perhaps a better interpretation of what happened to these poor souls is that stupid people believe Trump*", if you were in a position that doctors could no longer help you with FDA approved medicine to recover from the virus, wouldn't you be glad that someone, a "leader," informed us that there was something that might help, that it has helped, and that he was helping to provide the drug to our medical facilities?

Should I do the bow down before your great wisdom baloney
Trump* is incapable of leading
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NY hospitals are already using chloroquine to treat patients. are they just blindly following trump?

you guys are like those gals on The View.
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NY hospitals are already using chloroquine to treat patients. are they just blindly following trump?
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It’s just a clinical trial, huge difference Jim.
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It’s just a clinical trial, huge difference Jim.
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i didn’t say it was in mass production. but it has potential. That’s what many people, including Trump are saying.

Do you feel trump is responsible for an idiot drinking fish tank cleaner?
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Should I do the bow down before your great wisdom baloney
Trump* is incapable of leading
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So, if you were in a position facing sure death from the virus and doctors could no longer help you with FDA approved medicine to recover from the coronavirus, would you try one of the chloroquine drug cocktails administered by your doctor?

So, if you were in a position facing sure death from the virus and doctors could no longer help you with FDA approved medicine to recover from the coronavirus, would you try one of the chloroquine drug cocktails administered by your doctor?

Pfff
Do you honestly think that Trump discovered this?

The SK article you cited predates his "announcement" and it is not the only one on the subject.

He's just coming up with his normal baloney to blow smoke and provide cover for his incompetence and failure to act.

There will be the relatives of 100,000+ people within weeks who will want to know what could have been done and the number will keep growing.
We only have a limited number of ICU beds and that has been known forever.
It is the main reason a pandemic was identified as a main national security issue.
The one thing the federal government is good at is taking notes.
The failings will all come out.

One ICU after another will fill beyond capacity and he will hold his daily rally and claim "I don't take responsibility at all".

Today he had two and how many times did his courtiers praise PsychoBozo's great accomplishments.

When will you realize that this experiment of having a dumb TV host and shady real estate developer with no government knowledge, 5 kids from 3 marriages, 6 bankruptcies, 46 charges of sexual assault, 35,000 lawsuits and a total inability to tell the truth as president is not going well at all?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkuvYUT9c74

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15XjckAOTwU&t=16s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOneVW5gA3U

somebody keep pete away from pet stores please....

There is no cure for stupid and if you are taking medical advice from the guy who lies daily and claims to be an expert at everything; well I hope you have your affairs in order.

somebody keep pete away from pet stores please....

breaking story, liberals are hoarding fish tank cleaner...
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There is no cure for stupid and if you are taking medical advice from the guy who lies daily and claims to be an expert at everything; well I hope you have your affairs in order.

but Trump never, ever told
anyone to “just drink anything you can find that has something that sounds like chloroquine as in ingredient.”

there is no connection, betweeen this death and trump. none.
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but Trump never, ever told
anyone to “just drink anything you can find that has something that sounds like chloroquine as in ingredient.”

there is no connection, betweeen this death and trump. none.
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Did I say there was, only a dummy would take that aquarium stuff regardless of whether Trump was talking about trials it’s used in, that was my point.

"Go home rats!' Furious locals in rural towns and villages erect signs and scrawl messages on beaches telling second home owners to leave amid coronavirus outbreak - but many remain defiant and continue their move to countryside
'Locals only' was one of the messages scrawled onto a beach in St Ives, Cornwall
A sign in Bala, north Wales, which reads 'Go home rats' has also been erected
It comes as big city residents fled to their second homes all over the country
Despite local anger, second home owners are remaining defiant over the moves "


we are going to see this as NY and NJ well-to-do's continue to flee their infected state for their summer homes in neighboring states and beyond, many bringing the virus with them

curious....

Did I say there was, only a dummy would take that aquarium stuff regardless of whether Trump was talking about trials it’s used in, that was my point.

no you just had to reiterate your daily reiteration regarding trump...we understand:deadhorse:

So I criticize Trump, as are many local governments for actions or inactions and you spend your time criticizing fellow fishermen posting in this forum. One is legitimate concern and one is just well fill in the blank.

So I criticize Trump, as are many local governments for actions or inactions and you spend your time criticizing fellow fishermen posting in this forum. One is legitimate concern and one is just well fill in the blank.

trump can't hear you

Did I say there was, only a dummy would take that aquarium stuff regardless of whether Trump was talking about trials it’s used in, that was my point.

"the guy who lies daily and claims to be an expert at everything"


this was your point...be honest:bl:

"the guy who lies daily and claims to be an expert at everything"


this was your point...be honest:bl:

Oh I think Trump has proved that point tens of thousands of time, I clearly didn’t need to emphasize it, but your acknowledgement is reassuring even you are starting to get it.

Oh I think Trump has proved that point tens of thousands of time, I clearly didn’t need to emphasize it,



in your free time...you should explore your past musings...just for fun

did trump ever hint to anyone, that they should ingest any product where one of the ingredients is chloroquine?

You’re denying the virus started in China now?
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Your this pages Carl Tuckerson your denial is amazing

Cant wait for your defense if he dosen't lift life restrictions for Easter



How do you you think the Trump faithful hear that

Here is one of the faithful

To put things in perspective, last year 34,200 people died from the flu. That's 94 people a day for the entire year. Get people back to work!

He thought of that on his own? No Trump planred that seed:btu:

Your this pages Carl Tuckerson your denial is amazing



somebody check wayne's temperature...this is bidenesque :bl:

breaking story, liberals are hoarding fish tank cleaner...
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Why would you think that it? The guy who died was an old white guy. Liberals believe in science, are more highly educated and don't believe Trump bc they know he is a liar.

Did I say there was, only a dummy would take that aquarium stuff regardless of whether Trump was talking about trials it’s used in, that was my point.

Good post
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Why would you think that it? The guy who died was an old white guy. Liberals believe in science, are more highly educated and don't believe Trump bc they know he is a liar.

Don’t forget to include that they are independent thinkers
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Your this pages Carl Tuckerson your denial is amazing

Cant wait for your defense if he dosen't lift life restrictions for Easter



How do you you think the Trump faithful hear that

Here is one of the faithful

To put things in perspective, last year 34,200 people died from the flu. That's 94 people a day for the entire year. Get people back to work!

He thought of that on his own? No Trump planred that seed:btu:

Please check you blood sugar.
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Don’t forget to include that they are independent thinkers
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Hence the liberal arts.
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Did I say there was, only a dummy would take that aquarium stuff regardless of whether Trump was talking about trials it’s used in, that was my point.

you made a reference to people taking medical advice from trump ( again, you couldn’t resist attacking trump). in no way was this poor idiot taking medical advice from trump.
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Why would you think that it? The guy who died was an old white guy. Liberals believe in science, are more highly educated and don't believe Trump bc they know he is a liar.

liberals believe in science? tell me then, related to the state of CT’s economy, please tell me what scientific principle
suggests that when you have high taxes and crushing debt, the solution is to raise taxes and spend more?

Tell the unborn how much liberals love science.
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liberals believe in science? tell me then, related to the state of CT’s economy, please tell me what scientific principle
suggests that when you have high taxes and crushing debt, the solution is to raise taxes and spend more?

Tell the unborn how much liberals love science.
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Yet I never hear you talking about moving to one of those deeply red states. At the most you talk about moving to a purple state like NC.

Move to Tenn. and live the life you deserve.

Yet I never hear you talking about moving to one of those deeply red states. At the most you talk about moving to a purple state like NC.

Move to Tenn. and live the life you deserve.

so because i still
live in CT, that means i can’t possibly have a valid criticism of the way liberals run it? that makes all kinds of sense.

nice dodge.

I like NH. But i’m stuck here because
my parents need me. Fair enough?

Now, any chance you can answer the question i asked? you dodged, because you’re smart enough to know that there is no logical
answer to my question that doesn’t make CT liberals look stupid. But you can’t admit that they’re just stupid.
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Yet I never hear you talking about moving to one of those deeply red states. At the most you talk about moving to a purple state like NC.

Move to Tenn. and live the life you deserve.

Using your logic, we never hear you talking about moving to a more environmentally-friendly place like France, or to the backyard of that angry little girl with the pigtails. At most you just talk and talk...

Ha! See what so did there? If that logic sounds beyond stupid to you, i agree, but it’s your exact logic.
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Using your logic, we never hear you talking about moving to a more environmentally-friendly place like France, or to the backyard of that angry little girl with the pigtails. At most you just talk and talk...

Ha! See what so did there? If that logic sounds beyond stupid to you, i agree, but it’s your exact logic.
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I'm not the one constantly complaining about where they live - you are. You are welcome to complain about anything you want here - that is what this forum is for. Just as I can point out that you have a solution - move to Tenn. Far different than moving out of the country.

I like benefits we get recognizing taxes we pay are going to be higher. There are structural problems here just as there are everywhere. I would never live in some of those low tax, low benefit states.

I'm not the one constantly complaining about where they live - you are. You are welcome to complain about anything you want here - that is what this forum is for. Just as I can point out that you have a solution - move to Tenn. Far different than moving out of the country.

I like benefits we get recognizing taxes we pay are going to be higher. There are structural problems here just as there are everywhere. I would never live in some of those low tax, low benefit states.

Using this logic, should one assume that if you don’t like the leadership in this country that you should pack up and move to one you prefer? Asking for a friend.
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I'm not the one constantly complaining about where they live - you are. You are welcome to complain about anything you want here - that is what this forum is for. Just as I can point out that you have a solution - move to Tenn. Far different than moving out of the country.

I like benefits we get recognizing taxes we pay are going to be higher. There are structural problems here just as there are everywhere. I would never live in some of those low tax, low benefit states.

as usual, the amount of complaining you do is normal and not indicative that you should
move. only those with whom you disagree, have no right complaining unless they move.
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Trump* should plan large scale rallies in two-weeks, you know, like our childhood chicken-pox parties or just have everyone go to church on Easter.

Either people are smart and stay home, or they listen to Trump*, get infected and see what happens.

Pfff
Do you honestly think that Trump discovered this?



No need to deflect and imply that I think Trump discovered it (I know he didn't). And then use my question as an excuse to throw one of your familiar anti-Trump rants telling us things you've already told us ad nauseum.

Just answer the question. If you were seriously suffering from the virus and doctors could no longer help you with other FDA approved medicine to recover from the coronavirus, would you try one of the chloroquine drug cocktails administered by your doctor?

Just answer the question. If you were seriously suffering from the virus and doctors could no longer help you with other FDA approved medicine to recover from the coronavirus, would you try one of the chloroquine drug cocktails administered by your doctor?
There are no FDA approved drugs, pretty much can only administer chloroquine if someone is on their deathbed.
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There are no FDA approved drugs, pretty much can only administer chloroquine if someone is on their deathbed.
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This is just the miracle previously discussed.
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There are no FDA approved drugs, pretty much can only administer chloroquine if someone is on their deathbed.
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There are other FDA approved drugs. Chloroquine is FDA approved. Just not specifically for the virus. It can be administered off label, and not just for those on their deathbed.

as usual, the amount of complaining you do is normal and not indicative that you should
move. only those with whom you disagree, have no right complaining unless they move.
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Usually my "complaining" is pointing out your hypocrisy or pettiness.

Didn't I say above you can complain about anything you want ?

No need to deflect and imply that I think Trump discovered it (I know he didn't). And then use my question as an excuse to throw one of your familiar anti-Trump rants telling us things you've already told us ad nauseum.

Just answer the question. If you were seriously suffering from the virus and doctors could no longer help you with other FDA approved medicine to recover from the coronavirus, would you try one of the chloroquine drug cocktails administered by your doctor?

I'd be willing to follow the doctor's advice, not this clown's

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nr8Ug1H53OY

I'd be willing to follow the doctor's advice, not this clown's


Didn't ask for a video about Trump, so didn't watch it. Didn't realize it was such a tough question. It sounds like you're trying to say that yes, you would take the chloroquine. That's encouraging. You won't admit it, but sometimes Trump is right.

Didn't ask for a video about Trump, so didn't watch it. Didn't realize it was such a tough question. It sounds like you're trying to say that yes, you would take the chloroquine. That's encouraging. You won't admit it, but sometimes Trump is right.

Even a blind squirrel gets a nut once in a while.:claps:

See, I praised him.

See, I praised him.

Trump got it right. He gets a lot of things right.

Trump got it right. He gets a lot of things right.

Keep believing, you might also still find some fellow staunch believers in the islands of the Phillipines from WW2, still praising the emperor.

While I wish it were not true, Americans are on the way to winning the race to the most killed by Covid-19 thanks to the incompetence and inaction of your hero, Trump*

This week we will likely surpass Italy in confirmed cases and unfortunately shortly in deaths.

If the leader had not claimed for months that he had it under control perhaps it would have been different.

Aren't you tired of winning yet?

*The president solely responsible for the death of the most Americans in history.

Keep believing, you might also still find some fellow staunch believers in the islands of the Phillipines from WW2, still praising the emperor.

While I wish it were not true, Americans are on the way to winning the race to the most killed by Covid-19 thanks to the incompetence and inaction of your hero, Trump*

This week we will likely surpass Italy in confirmed cases and unfortunately shortly in deaths.

If the leader had not claimed for months that he had it under control perhaps it would have been different.

Aren't you tired of winning yet?

*The president solely responsible for the death of the most Americans in history.

I don't believe you.

Time will tell
While I hope that I am incorrect, I fear that I am right
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Pete, did you claim Obama was responsible for the 10,000+ Americans who died of H1N1 during his presidency?

You need to loosen the straps on your tin foil hat occasionally.
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Pete, did you claim Obama was responsible for the 10,000+ Americans who died of H1N1 during his presidency?

You need to loosen the straps on your tin foil hat occasionally.
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He is too blinded by hate to know the difference. He lost his ability to reason long ago.
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He is too blinded by hate to know the difference. He lost his ability to reason long ago.
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Just wondering how he'd respond to the question...of course you're right...

Keep believing, you might also still find some fellow staunch believers in the islands of the Phillipines from WW2, still praising the emperor.

While I wish it were not true, Americans are on the way to winning the race to the most killed by Covid-19 thanks to the incompetence and inaction of your hero, Trump*

This week we will likely surpass Italy in confirmed cases and unfortunately shortly in deaths.

If the leader had not claimed for months that he had it under control perhaps it would have been different.

Aren't you tired of winning yet?

*The president solely responsible for the death of the most Americans in history.

Dammit, Pete. Stop twisting everything. There was not a leader in the world that was ahead of this crisis. China? No. Europe? Not one. Russia? Putin just acknowledged it YESTERDAY when he postponed his rubberstamp election.
And it is the medical and scientific community that is laying out the response for a pandemic, not the leaders... Does he babble and go off course during the press briefings? Yes. Would he rather put the economy back in gear, instead of dealing with a pandemic? Yes. Wouldn't we all? I would rather be hearing from the VP, who is in charge of the panel assembled to put the battleplan together, along with hearing from those other members of that panel.
In conclusion, we are in this now, up to our collective waists, along with the rest of the world. I have gotten onboard with past Presidents I did not vote for in the past during times when the nation needed to bond together. Didn't always taste good. But I was on the right side of the battle. The American side. At some point, in my opinion, you have to back your President when it is an issue that threatens your nation. I hope everyone will back the American response instead of tearing down anyone and everyone until the man in the office is replaced...

Dammit, Pete. Stop twisting everything. There was not a leader in the world that was ahead of this crisis. China? No. Europe? Not one. Russia? Putin just acknowledged it YESTERDAY when he postponed his rubberstamp election.
And it is the medical and scientific community that is laying out the response for a pandemic, not the leaders... Does he babble and go off course during the press briefings? Yes. Would he rather put the economy back in gear, instead of dealing with a pandemic? Yes. Wouldn't we all? I would rather be hearing from the VP, who is in charge of the panel assembled to put the battleplan together, along with hearing from those other members of that panel.
In conclusion, we are in this now, up to our collective waists, along with the rest of the world. I have gotten onboard with past Presidents I did not vote for in the past during times when the nation needed to bond together. Didn't always taste good. But I was on the right side of the battle. The American side. At some point, in my opinion, you have to back your President when it is an issue that threatens your nation. I hope everyone will back the American response instead of tearing down anyone and everyone until the man in the office is replaced...
Good post Ross
You don’t even have to back him,but in these dark days how and who does it help to bash him?
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Good post Ross
You don’t even have to back him,but in these dark days how and who does it help to bash him?
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and it’s ok to bash him
if he deserves it. but saying it’s his fault that someone drank fish tank cleaner? it’s blatant lying.

we don’t need to pucker up and kiss trumps arse. but is a speck of honesty and fairness that much to ask?
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Sorry, I don't feel guilty for letting out my frustrations about this administration on the political forum of a fishing website.

Yesterday's presser was over an hour long and consisted of about a half an hour of experts talking and the balance was self aggrandizing political speech by Trump* and Pence, claiming credit and laying blame.

My diatribes pale in comparison to his public speech.

I feel that it is irrelevant how many die, or how bad the economy gets. Trump's response will be: "We did a tremendous job, great things are happening. And if I hadn't been in charge, this would have been worse than anything that anyone has ever heard of."

When he claims that remember that our government, aka "the Deep State", has plans for everything because the goal is to not ever have to say "who would have thought"

Here is the step by step plan for a pandemic, what happened?

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/25/trump-coronavirus-national-security-council-149285?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=newsletter_axiosam&stream=top

Let’s move on to Biden who offered hope with this gem. “ people are going to die who have never died before.”

Looks like the mailman is your write-in
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Let’s move on to Biden who offered hope with this gem. “ people are going to die who have never died before.”

Looks like the mailman is your write-in
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Fake news. He never said that.
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and it’s ok to bash him
if he deserves it. but saying it’s his fault that someone drank fish tank cleaner? it’s blatant lying.

we don’t need to pucker up and kiss trumps arse. but is a speck of honesty and fairness that much to ask?
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You ought to try that honesty thing out.

The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has estimated that H1N1 killed about 12,500 Americans between April 2009 and 2010, far fewer people than typically die each year from the flu.

Though the H1N1 virus had begun spreading in Mexico, the first case in the United States was detected on April 15, 2009, in a 10-year-old patient in California. Two days later, CDC laboratory testing confirmed a second infection in an 8-year-old also living in California. Within one week, the CDC had activated its Emergency Operations Center to respond to what it had identified as an emerging public health threat.

That was when only 20 cases of H1N1 — and no deaths — around the country had been confirmed.

Two days later, the administration made an initial funding request for H1N1 to Congress. Eventually $7.65 billion was allocated for a vaccine and other measures.

H1N1 was declared a pandemic by the World Health Organization on June 11, 2009.

As a measure to aid in controlling future pandemics the Obama administration developed the PLAYBOOK FOR EARLY RESPONSE TO EMERGING INFECTIOUS DISEASE THREATS AND BIOLOGICAL INCIDENTS, it was completed in 2016.

Wonder what the next administration did with that?

Fake news. He never said that.
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You may be true on the actual quote. I actually watched him call his sister his wife though.
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You may be true on the actual quote. I actually watched him call his sister his wife though.
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On the actual quote? Right, not a shred of truth to it. I also saw the wife/sister thing, but they were standing behind him. Very awkward, though not as awkward as a dad asking about his 16 yo daughter
“Don’t you think my daughter’s hot? She’s hot, right?” or on other occasions that he would date her if not her father or any of the numerous other repulsive conversations about his daughter he has had in public forums. Sort of behavior fits right in with someone who would be named in a suit with Epstein. Oh wait, right...

I agree, both creepy guys. Unfortunately,I feel Joe has lost a little velocity off the heater at this point. He also seems confused by simple tasks.
Epstein? Not sure why the Clintons killed him yet are you?
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I agree, both creepy guys. Unfortunately,I feel Joe has lost a little velocity off the heater at this point. He also seems confused by simple tasks.
Epstein? Not sure why the Clintons killed him yet are you?
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After what he did to those kids? Hopefully one of their dad's had connections. Though I think in all likelihood, Trump probably had much more reason and power to do it than the Clintons. Neither would shock me though. Same mold of narcissist rich guy.

You ought to try that honesty thing out.

The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has estimated that H1N1 killed about 12,500 Americans between April 2009 and 2010, far fewer people than typically die each year from the flu.

Though the H1N1 virus had begun spreading in Mexico, the first case in the United States was detected on April 15, 2009, in a 10-year-old patient in California. Two days later, CDC laboratory testing confirmed a second infection in an 8-year-old also living in California. Within one week, the CDC had activated its Emergency Operations Center to respond to what it had identified as an emerging public health threat.

That was when only 20 cases of H1N1 — and no deaths — around the country had been confirmed.

Two days later, the administration made an initial funding request for H1N1 to Congress. Eventually $7.65 billion was allocated for a vaccine and other measures.

H1N1 was declared a pandemic by the World Health Organization on June 11, 2009.

As a measure to aid in controlling future pandemics the Obama administration developed the PLAYBOOK FOR EARLY RESPONSE TO EMERGING INFECTIOUS DISEASE THREATS AND BIOLOGICAL INCIDENTS, it was completed in 2016.

Wonder what the next administration did with that?

Jeebus, Pete. When are you going to discuss like an adult? The last part (in bold) is like throwing chit at the wall to see what sticks in order to "prove" a point....
Just what department, under the Obama admin's oversight, developed this playbook??? CDC? HHS??? Connect some dots, for crying out loud... You throw out that statement expecting us to believe, what? That the playbook was left in the Oval office? And the Trump housekeepers just threw it out? Trump insults my intelligence enough. At least he is not signed on in here. Try to do better...

And #^&#^&#^&#^& unite the country dot com... Let any and all associated with the crap they are throwing at us try a year living in Russia....

Their commercial just came on after national news... Eff them twice hard

Jeebus, Pete. When are you going to discuss like an adult? The last part (in bold) is like throwing chit at the wall to see what sticks in order to "prove" a point....
Just what department, under the Obama admin's oversight, developed this playbook??? CDC? HHS??? Connect some dots, for crying out loud... You throw out that statement expecting us to believe, what? That the playbook was left in the Oval office? And the Trump housekeepers just threw it out? Trump insults my intelligence enough. At least he is not signed on in here. Try to do better...

This falls under the National Security Council

The Obama administration spent the time to brief the incoming administration on a whole bunch of national security issues.
These playbooks exist for a number of possible issues
Read it and then ask yourself how did we get to where we are when the intelligence community had corona Virus and the extent of it in briefings starting in December

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/6819258-Playbook.html#document/p2
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And #^&#^&#^&#^& unite the country dot com... Let any and all associated with the crap they are throwing at us try a year living in Russia....

Their commercial just came on after national news... Eff them twice hard

I don't watch tv...what is this about?

A nothing constructive, biased, anti-Trump, incomplete comparison of past administrations, leading viewer to believe total failure is at hand and calling for him to resign....


And I am disgusted with his pettiness, yet loathe this type of negativity with no positive direction.

A nothing constructive, biased, anti-Trump, incomplete comparison of past administrations, leading viewer to believe total failure is at hand and calling for him to resign....sounds like you are describing most of the media and many here


And I am disgusted with his pettiness, yet loathe this type of negativity with no positive direction.

agree

Last week: Trump said he invoked the DPA, minutes later he said he didn't invoke it

Two days ago: Trump said he didn't need the DPA

Yesterday: He said we may have too many ventilators

Today:

Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
· 1h
General Motors MUST immediately open their stupidly abandoned Lordstown plant in Ohio, or some other plant, and START MAKING VENTILATORS, NOW!!!!!! FORD, GET GOING ON VENTILATORS, FAST!!!!!! @GeneralMotors @Ford

If you were a company leader, responsible to your shareholders, how would you interpret this?

The reason we have the DPA is not to be able to force companies to do something against their will and foolishly, but to assure them that they will be compensated so that they willingly use their resources to accomplish the goal.

The reason we have the DPA is not to be able to force companies to do something against their will and foolishly, but to assure them that they will be compensated so that they willingly use their resources to accomplish the goal.

You trying to put lipstick on a pig? The DPA does enable the government to force companies to produce designated products. And it does guarantee compensation. I don't think the company's "will" is taken into consideration, nor needs to be. Obviously, the company needs to be capable of doing it. Can't, practically, force a dairy farm to produce ventilators.

GM and Ford offered to make ventilators.

You have been putting lipstick on a pig for three years now
Hope you’re happy with the results
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You have been putting lipstick on a pig for three years now
Hope you’re happy with the results
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Pretty much.

GM and Ford offered to make ventilators.
How come GM got ridiculed and Ford got off scott free? Isn’t the government supposed to treat everyone equally? Those GM workers in Ohio must be raring to go after Trumps pep tweets.
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How come GM got ridiculed and Ford got off scott free? Isn’t the government supposed to treat everyone equally? Those GM workers in Ohio must be raring to go after Trumps pep tweets.
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This really is a problem?

Pretty much.

You wanted a reality show host as a president, well now you’re on Survivor.
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You wanted a reality show host as a president, well now you’re on Survivor.
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Never a dull minute.

Devastating....
Not a “hoax.”
Not “totally under control.”
Not “15 people.”
Not down “to close to zero.”
A “great job” does not look like this
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Time to cheer for the USA.
These numbers are something to be optimistic about.
Lives are being saved with our preparedness.
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Time to cheer for the USA.
These numbers are something to be optimistic about.
Lives are being saved with our preparedness.
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Is that why there’s a giant shortage of masks, protective wear and ventilators?? We are prepared?
:clown:
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Is that why there’s a giant shortage of masks, protective wear and ventilators?? We are prepared?
:clown:
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I don’t know what numbers he’s looking at. This things isn’t even close to a tipping point.
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. This things isn’t even close to a tipping point.
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Mimosa time Jeff?
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Time to cheer for the USA.
These numbers are something to be optimistic about.
Lives are being saved with our preparedness.
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Chris,
I have always enjoyed our banter and especially spent times fishing together. However, I have to acknowledge here, to you and the group, that your perspective is through glasses of a different color than >90% of America. I don't see the numbers that are giving you a positive vibe. At least in relation to the needed medical supplies being touted by those on the front lines; the nurses and doctors. With a niece getting her MD within days and headed to those front lines, on top of having an 85 yo living under my roof, I just don't share any of your points at this moment.

Chris,
I have always enjoyed our banter and especially spent times fishing together. However, I have to acknowledge here, to you and the group, that your perspective is through glasses of a different color than >90% of America. I don't see the numbers that are giving you a positive vibe. At least in relation to the needed medical supplies being touted by those on the front lines; the nurses and doctors. With a niece getting her MD within days and headed to those front lines, on top of having an 85 yo living under my roof, I just don't share any of your points at this moment.
I have no problem with you disagreeing Ross. If you look at our mortality numbers vs the majority of other nations then perhaps you would share my satisfaction. I see countries that are much worse off and hope we can stay where we are with the death rates. Civilized nations across the globe are all in the same battle you know. Do all of their citizens lay their blame at the feet of elected officials? That is not the narrative I hear in most cases. Don’t despair, it is always darkest before the light. We are all in this together so we can either lash out like cornered animals or try to remain positive and realistically hopeful.
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we got caught unprepared in terms of certain supplies. Naturally the previous administration deserves none of the blame, and the current administration deserves 100% of the blame.

But there are reasons t be optimistic. i trust our healthcare providers, i trust our system to produce
more safety equipment and better ideas, than any other country. I am
lucky that i can say that regardless of who is president. Many here cant bring themselves to say anything positive about Trump, doesn’t matter what he does.
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we got caught unprepared in terms of certain supplies. Naturally the previous administration deserves none of the blame, and the current administration deserves 100% of the blame.


I know you're being sarcastic--that, indeed, a good deal of the non preparedness in respirators "along with millions of other masks, gowns and gloves." actually is the fault of the previous administration as said in this Washington post article:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/face-masks-in-national-stockpile-have-not-been-substantially-replenished-since-2009/2020/03/10/57e57316-60c9-11ea-8baf-519cedb6ccd9_story.html

I know you're being sarcastic--that, indeed, a good deal of the non preparedness in respirators "along with millions of other masks, gowns and gloves." actually is the fault of the previous administration as said in this Washington post article:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/face-masks-in-national-stockpile-have-not-been-substantially-replenished-since-2009/2020/03/10/57e57316-60c9-11ea-8baf-519cedb6ccd9_story.html

correct.

now, with the benefit of hindsight, it would have been nice if trump thought to rebuild those stockpiles. had he done so back then, he would have been accused of trying to start a panic.

orangemanbad.
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The fault for not being prepared lies with HHS, HIS, and CDC in my opinion. They should only be able to pass the buck onto an administration or congress when they can definitively show where budget cuts and/or lack of bill passage directly led to this material shortfall. This is their domain!

I just don't see PPE inventory being in the top ten items for any administration in my lifetime. It is up to those departments to bring it up to cabinet level discussion and resolution. If it is budgetary, then we go down the line on who voted it down. (no doubt you will have to search within some hundreds of pages of the bill it was buried in)

How much f uckery is in the $2.3 trillion 900 page bill they just passed? Here is something I saw, but cannot prove, nor disprove:

$60 million Space
$25 million House salaries
$25 million Capitol repairs
$25 million Kennedy Center renovations

If these are truly in that bill, the whole lot of Congress should be impeached. How dare they at a time like this?

correct.

now, with the benefit of hindsight, it would have been nice if trump thought to rebuild those stockpiles. had he done so back then, he would have been accused of trying to start a panic.

orangemanbad.
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You buy boat and and it sinks its funny your trying to blame the previous owner 3.5 years later... funny how conservatives expect personal responsibility from everyone else , except Republicans or Trump....

Trump creates his own issue someday you'll see it

You buy boat and and it sinks its funny your trying to blame the previous owner 3.5 years later... funny how conservatives expect personal responsibility from everyone else , except Republicans or Trump....

Trump creates his own issue someday you'll see it

He went through that equipment during the HiN1 outbreak, which I believe was in 2009. Gave him a lot of years.

I don't blame either one of them. No one was worried about a shortage, this outbreak caught the world by surprise.

To repeat, I don't blame either one. I think it's laughable to blame one and not the other. We are all shocked that you blame Trump and not Obama. Just shocked, Stunned, we all have to lie down.

I don't blame either one of them. No one was worried about a shortage, this outbreak caught the world by surprise.


It did, but it hit China first, not the whole world at the same time, and a lot of the medical experts were saying as China was escalating, that we should be prepared. Trump gets credit for being proactive about the travel restrictions with China, but then it is equally fair to ask what else they were doing. Based on his talk, and apparently actions of the administration, they treated the travel restrictions as 'problem solved'

The response for other preparations was delayed, at the federal and state levels. I don't see how that is a debate point in any of this. I don't think POTUS took this seriously enough in the beginning, and still at times is waffling in public with misleading and incorrect statements about testing, preparedness and none of that helps.

It is going to be a long road, if we are lucky, and Faucci's number (200K dead) is correct (and that is lucky, vs millions in some models).

It did, but it hit China first, not the whole world at the same time, and a lot of the medical experts were saying as China was escalating, that we should be prepared. Trump gets credit for being proactive about the travel restrictions with China, but then it is equally fair to ask what else they were doing. Based on his talk, and apparently actions of the administration, they treated the travel restrictions as 'problem solved'

The response for other preparations was delayed, at the federal and state levels. I don't see how that is a debate point in any of this. I don't think POTUS took this seriously enough in the beginning, and still at times is waffling in public with misleading and incorrect statements about testing, preparedness and none of that helps.

It is going to be a long road, if we are lucky, and Faucci's number (200K dead) is correct (and that is lucky, vs millions in some models).
yes it hit china first. and as i showed beyond any doubt, when trump responded
by implementing a travel ban, Biden, Schumer and CNN said Trump was a bigot and a dictator for doing so. As recently as late February many in the liberal media were saying that concern about the virus was a thinly veiled excuse for bigotry against Chinese. Diblasio was telling new yorkers in late february to keep going out to restaurants and bars.

Now all of a sudden, Trump
missed the obvious signals and should have seen it coming.

Bryan, excluding you, the hypocrisy from the left on this issue is obvious. mind boggling. Politics is all that matters.

Trumps words, as usual, are poor. You’re saying he under reacted. the entire left said he over reacted and was just trying to stoke fear.

can’t have it both ways.
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yes it hit china first. and as i showed beyond any doubt, when trump responded
by implementing a travel ban, Biden, Schumer and CNN said Trump was a bigot and a dictator for doing so. As recently as late February many in the liberal media were saying that concern about the virus was a thinly veiled excuse for bigotry against Chinese. Diblasio was telling new yorkers in late february to keep going out to restaurants and bars.

Now all of a sudden, Trump
missed the obvious signals and should have seen it coming.

Bryan, excluding you, the hypocrisy from the left on this issue is obvious. mind boggling. Politics is all that matters.

Trumps words, as usual, are poor. You’re saying he under reacted. the entire left said he over reacted and was just trying to stoke fear.

can’t have it both ways.
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Your beating that one good Trump move to death, look beyond and see what the results of pour decisions, lack of timely decisions and pour messaging.

Dr. weighs in ... we can do much better ...

Please don't tell me that in the richest country in the world in the 21st century, I'm supposed to work in a fictionalized Soviet-era disaster zone and fashion my own face mask out of cloth because other Americans hoard supplies for personal use and so-called leaders sit around in meetings hearing themselves talk. I ran to a bedside the other day to intubate a crashing, likely COVID, patient. Two respiratory therapists and two nurses were already at the bedside. That's 5 N95s masks, 5 gowns, 5 face shields and 10 gloves for one patient at one time. I saw probably 15-20 patients that shift, if we are going to start rationing supplies, what percentage should I wear precautions for?

Make no mistake, the CDC is loosening these guidelines because our country is not prepared. Loosening guidelines increases healthcare workers' risk but the decision is done to allow us to keep working, not to keep us safe. It is done for the public benefit - so I can continue to work no matter the personal cost to me or my family (and my healthcare family).

Sending healthcare workers to the front line asking them to cover their face with a bandana is akin to sending a soldier to the front line in a t-shirt and flip flops.

I don't want talk. I don't want assurances. I want action. I want boxes of N95s piling up, donated from the people who hoarded them. I want non-clinical administrators in the hospital lining up in the ER asking if they can stock shelves to make sure that when I need to rush into a room, the drawer of PPE equipment I open isn't empty. I want them showing up in the ER asking "how can I help" instead of offering shallow "plans" conceived by someone who has spent far too long in an ivory tower and not long enough in the trenches. Maybe they should actually step foot in the trenches.

I want billion-dollar companies like 3M halting all production of any product that isn't PPE to focus on PPE manufacturing. I want a company like Amazon, with its logistics mastery (it can drop a package to your door less than 24 hours after ordering it), halting its 2-day delivery of 12 reams of toilet paper to whoever is willing to pay the most in order to help get the available PPE supply distributed fast and efficiently in a manner that gets the necessary materials to my brothers and sisters in arms who need them.

I want Proctor and Gamble, and the makers of other soaps and detergents, stepping up too. We need detergent to clean scrubs, hospital linens and gowns. We need disinfecting wipes to clean desk and computer surfaces. What about plastics manufacturers? Plastic gowns aren't some high-tech device, they are long shirts/smocks...made out of plastic. Get on it. Face shields are just clear plastic. Nitrile gloves? Yeah, they are pretty much just gloves...made from something that isn't apparently Latex. Let's go. Money talks in this country. Executive millionaires, why don't you spend a few bucks to buy back some of these masks from the hoarders, and drop them off at the nearest hospital.

I love biotechnology and research but we need to divert viral culture media for COVID testing and research. We need biotechnology manufacturing ready and able to ramp up if and when treatments or vaccines are developed. Our Botox supply isn't critical, but our antibiotic supply is. We need to be able to make more plastic ET tubes, not more silicon breast implants.

Let's see all that. Then we can all talk about how we played our part in this fight. Netflix and chill is not enough while my family, friends and colleagues are out there fighting. Our country won two world wars because the entire country mobilized. We out-produced and we out-manufactured while our soldiers out-fought the enemy. We need to do that again because make no mistake, we are at war, healthcare workers are your soldiers, and the war has just begun.

GS, trumps bold early move isn’t the point at all. the point was the liberal reaction to it. liberals went nuts, saying he over reacted. now the same people are saying he didn’t do enough.

Sorry, can’t have it both ways.
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GS, trumps bold early move isn’t the point at all. the point was the liberal reaction to it. liberals went nuts, saying he over reacted. now the same people are saying he didn’t do enough.

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they are a little slow...you have to spell things out s-l-o-w-l-y for them...they like to have it both ways

look beyond and see what the results of pour decisions, lack of timely decisions and pour messaging.



pour spelling :jester:

You two knuckleheads are both wrong, one move followed by no decisions, pour decisions and terrible messaging is going to harm more, kill more and take far longer to recover from, but focus on spelling to show us all your priorities are on what’s really important in these times, pretty sad actually.

You two knuckleheads are both wrong, one move followed by no decisions, pour decisions and terrible messaging is going to harm more, kill more and take far longer to recover from, but focus on spelling to show us all your priorities are on what’s really important in these times, pretty sad actually.

your whining is really moving mountains

Your beating that one good Trump move to death, look beyond and see what the results of pour decisions, lack of timely decisions and pour messaging.

Dr. weighs in ... we can do much better ...

Please don't tell me that in the richest country in the world in the 21st century, I'm supposed to work in a fictionalized Soviet-era disaster zone and fashion my own face mask out of cloth because other Americans hoard supplies for personal use and so-called leaders sit around in meetings hearing themselves talk. I ran to a bedside the other day to intubate a crashing, likely COVID, patient. Two respiratory therapists and two nurses were already at the bedside. That's 5 N95s masks, 5 gowns, 5 face shields and 10 gloves for one patient at one time. I saw probably 15-20 patients that shift, if we are going to start rationing supplies, what percentage should I wear precautions for?

Make no mistake, the CDC is loosening these guidelines because our country is not prepared. Loosening guidelines increases healthcare workers' risk but the decision is done to allow us to keep working, not to keep us safe. It is done for the public benefit - so I can continue to work no matter the personal cost to me or my family (and my healthcare family).

Sending healthcare workers to the front line asking them to cover their face with a bandana is akin to sending a soldier to the front line in a t-shirt and flip flops.

I don't want talk. I don't want assurances. I want action. I want boxes of N95s piling up, donated from the people who hoarded them. I want non-clinical administrators in the hospital lining up in the ER asking if they can stock shelves to make sure that when I need to rush into a room, the drawer of PPE equipment I open isn't empty. I want them showing up in the ER asking "how can I help" instead of offering shallow "plans" conceived by someone who has spent far too long in an ivory tower and not long enough in the trenches. Maybe they should actually step foot in the trenches.

I want billion-dollar companies like 3M halting all production of any product that isn't PPE to focus on PPE manufacturing. I want a company like Amazon, with its logistics mastery (it can drop a package to your door less than 24 hours after ordering it), halting its 2-day delivery of 12 reams of toilet paper to whoever is willing to pay the most in order to help get the available PPE supply distributed fast and efficiently in a manner that gets the necessary materials to my brothers and sisters in arms who need them.

I want Proctor and Gamble, and the makers of other soaps and detergents, stepping up too. We need detergent to clean scrubs, hospital linens and gowns. We need disinfecting wipes to clean desk and computer surfaces. What about plastics manufacturers? Plastic gowns aren't some high-tech device, they are long shirts/smocks...made out of plastic. Get on it. Face shields are just clear plastic. Nitrile gloves? Yeah, they are pretty much just gloves...made from something that isn't apparently Latex. Let's go. Money talks in this country. Executive millionaires, why don't you spend a few bucks to buy back some of these masks from the hoarders, and drop them off at the nearest hospital.

I love biotechnology and research but we need to divert viral culture media for COVID testing and research. We need biotechnology manufacturing ready and able to ramp up if and when treatments or vaccines are developed. Our Botox supply isn't critical, but our antibiotic supply is. We need to be able to make more plastic ET tubes, not more silicon breast implants.

Let's see all that. Then we can all talk about how we played our part in this fight. Netflix and chill is not enough while my family, friends and colleagues are out there fighting. Our country won two world wars because the entire country mobilized. We out-produced and we out-manufactured while our soldiers out-fought the enemy. We need to do that again because make no mistake, we are at war, healthcare workers are your soldiers, and the war has just begun.

Let us not overlook that much of our medical supply production was transferred to China during the past decades. Had we been the producer rather than just the buyer, ramping up would have been much easier.

Same goes for a lot of other critical essential tech stuff, as needed e.g. by our military. Really brilliant decision by our past administrations to, of all countries, depend on China. Trump is the only President, since the rise of that fiasco, to make an effort to bring production, critical and otherwise, back home.

your whining is really moving mountains
I love pointing out how irrelevant you are, gee wiz I hoped a spelled that right or wright. :jump:

I love pointing out how irrelevant you are, gee wiz I hoped a spelled that right or wright. :jump:

don't worry ...you are fabulous

your whining is really moving mountains

His priorities are moving mountains. He chooses to whine constantly rather than ridicule whiners.
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You two knuckleheads are both wrong, one move followed by no decisions, pour decisions and terrible messaging is going to harm more, kill more and take far longer to recover from, but focus on spelling to show us all your priorities are on what’s really important in these times, pretty sad actually.

not one syllable, not one, about the democrats and the media which said his one move was a racist over reaction. none of that matters to you.
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not one syllable, not one, about the democrats and the media which said his one move was a racist over reaction. none of that matters to you.
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You do know why, because they aren’t in control of this administration and the ones failing miserably and I don’t fu*king care. Everyone’s life is turned upside down, hospitals running out of supplies, death tolls will approach world war totals and your stuck on one Fuc*king thing, get your fu*cking head out of your ar*ss.

not one syllable, not one, about the democrats and the media which said his one move was a racist over reaction. none of that matters to you.
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Because it is a lie, as is Trump*'s claim of what he has done.

We've gone from only 15 people have it and it will soon be zero to 160,000 to 200,000 will perish. Meanwhile, he tweets about his ratings.

The claim "I stopped it" by stopping flights and the accompanying lies about complaints about that are fake news at best. I'm only slightly surprised that John Baron has yet to make an appearance, though I think there is a possibility he lives in CT.

This is only based on publicly available information, the intelligence that was provided to the President and is being concealed by the administration will tell a much more damning story.

January 3, 2020: The CDC is first alerted to a public health event in Wuhan, China (This fact was revealed publicly later by HHS Secretary Alex Azar.)

January 6, 2020: The CDC issues a travel notice for Wuhan due to the spreading coronavirus.

Note: The Trump campaign claims that this marks the beginning of the federal government disease control experts becoming aware of the virus. It was 10 weeks from this point until the week of March 16 when Trump began to change his tone on the threat.

January 8, 2020: The CDC issues an official health advisory about COVID-19.

January 10, 2020: Former Trump Homeland Security Advisor Tom Bossert warns that we shouldn’t “jerk around with ego politics” because “we face a global health threat…Coordinate!”

January 18, 2020: After two weeks of attempts, HHS Secretary Alex Azar finally gets the chance to speak to Trump about the virus. The president redirects the conversation to vaping, according to the Washington Post.

January 20, 2020: First U.S. case is reported in Washington state.

January 21, 2020: Dr. Nancy Messonnier, the director of the National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Disease at the CDC tells reporters, “We do expect additional cases in the United States.”

January 27, 2020: Top White House aides meet with Chief of Staff Mick Mulvaney to encourage greater focus on the threat from the virus. Joe Grogan, head of the White House Domestic Policy Council warns that “dealing with the virus was likely to dominate life in the United States for many months.”

January 28, 2020: Two former Trump administration officials—Gottlieb and Borio—publish an op-ed in the Wall Street Journal imploring the president to “Act Now to Prevent an American Epidemic.” They advocate a 4-point plan to address the coming crisis:

(1) Expand testing to identify and isolate cases.
Note: This did not happen for many weeks. The first time more than 2,000 tests were deployed in a single day was not until almost six weeks later, on March 11.
(2) Boost flu vaccination efforts to reduce the load on hospitals.
(3) Prepare hospital units for isolation with more gowns and masks.
Note: There was no dramatic ramp-up in the production of critical supplies undertaken. As a result, many hospitals quickly experienced shortages of critical PPE materials.
(4) Vaccine development.

January 30, 2020: Dr. James Hamblin publishes another warning about critical PPE materials in the Atlantic, titled “We Don’t Have Enough Masks.” At the time, it was clear that mask shortages would be a serious problem. Other countries coping with COVID-19 were already running short on masks and ordering them from America and, in addition, almost the entire CDC stockpile had been consumed during the 2009 flu season.

January 31, 2020: Trump puts into action a temporary travel ban on China.

This has been the centerpiece of his claim to have responded to the coronavirus. But even here, the truth is somewhat different.

Trump’s Chinese travel ban only banned “foreign nationals who had been in China in the last 14 days.” This wording did not—at all—stop people from arriving in America from China. In fact, for much of the crisis, flights from China landed in America almost daily filled with people who had been in China, but did not fit the category as Trump’s “travel ban” defined it.

Sorry, can’t have it both ways.
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You and others clearly want both ways ... you blame others while praising Trump

Actions but willfully ignore his inactions

You do know why, because they aren’t in control of this administration and the ones failing miserably and I don’t fu*king care. Everyone’s life is turned upside down, hospitals running out of supplies, death tolls will approach world war totals and your stuck on one Fuc*king thing, get your fu*cking head out of your ar*ss.

Temper. Temper. Try to take a deep breath and remember where you are
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and I don’t fu*king care. Everyone’s life is turned upside down, hospitals running out of supplies, death tolls will approach world war totals and your stuck on one Fuc*king thing, get your fu*cking head out of your ar*ss.

I'm not stuck on anything. But when TDS sufferers such as yourself shriek that he's not doing anything, obviously it's pertinent to point out that when he took a bold step, those same liberals shrieked that he went too far. So whish is it? is he using racism and fear to do too much, or is he not doing enough? Let me guess, it's both...

Whatever he does, whatever he does, those with TDS will shriek that it's wrong and evil. They do it for purely political reasons.

The federal government and the private sector are doing everything possible to help. I believe that.

Did you say anything when the democrats held up the relief bill to fund liberal pet projects? If you did, I missed it. Therefore, your willingness to hold politicians accountable for the harm they cause, is quite selective.

Stop ranting about Trump, go donate blood.

You and others clearly want both ways ... you blame others while praising Trump

Actions but willfully ignore his inactions

I blame Trump when he deserves blame. I hate the way he attacks reporters at the briefings (though one deserved it in my opinion). Not every time I see him or hear him.

Again, let's see who thinks for themselves, and who blindly follows one side, shall we?

I agree with liberals on some big social issues - gay marriage, death penalty, gun control, availability of health insurance.. Can you tell us here and now, what are the biggest issues on which you disagree with liberals?

I also have said a thousand times, that Trump is morally bankrupt. Can you admit that there is just as much evidence that Biden abuses women, as there is that Kavanaugh abused women? Can you concede that?

Stop dodging and answer a question.

You're saying that anytime someone credits Trump and blames someone else, they are a hypocrite? It's never possible that Trump deserves credit and someone else deserves blame? In your opinion, Trump must always be wrong.

You are proving my point.

You do know why, because they aren’t in control of this administration and the ones failing miserably and I don’t fu*king care. Everyone’s life is turned upside down, hospitals running out of supplies, death tolls will approach world war totals and your stuck on one Fuc*king thing, get your fu*cking head out of your ar*ss.

A frightened cry for help.
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it's pretty funny that when those of us who are supposedly programmed by fox news and breitbart want to know what's going on at fox news and breitbart, we have to check with wayne

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You do know why, because they aren’t in control of this administration and the ones failing miserably and I don’t fu*king care. Everyone’s life is turned upside down, hospitals running out of supplies, death tolls will approach world war totals and your stuck on one Fuc*king thing, get your fu*cking head out of your ar*ss.


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he's psyching himself up for kayak fishing this morning and 9 holes this afternoon....

Let us not overlook that much of our medical supply production was transferred to China during the past decades. Had we been the producer rather than just the buyer, ramping up would have been much easier.

Same goes for a lot of other critical essential tech stuff, as needed e.g. by our military. Really brilliant decision by our past administrations to, of all countries, depend on China. Trump is the only President, since the rise of that fiasco, to make an effort to bring production, critical and otherwise, back home.

I’m not disagreeing with those points, far to many companies have taken their business elsewhere, my point is this started elsewhere and models from others predicted what would happen in every country this came to and this administration did not gear up quickly or make hard decisions and put out the correct messaging to slow this spread or get the medical supplies manufactured early enough. It doesn’t just fall on Trumps head, but his leadership and downplaying of this has really been terrible. Everyone on this board is entitled to their opinion on how this has been handled, you don’t have to like mine view, feel free to disagree in a respectful and civil way if your capable wink wink.

The most cynical thing Trump* did yesterday was move the goal posts on his performance. He now says millions would have died if not for his heroic effort.That's to cover for hundreds of thousands dying.

Remember his inaction got us here and he claimed in public that a miracle would solve it, while in private his administration was telling him otherwise.

He is clearly the greatest president of our lifetime
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He is clearly the greatest president of our lifetime
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You have an odd measure of greatness.

Trump* received astonishingly prescient strategic & even tactical intelligence warnings about COVID-19. He then utterly failed to act.

Only Trump* himself refused to believe what the previous administration had & his intelligence reports warned him about.

Faced with the coronavirus, Trump chose not to have the White House lead the planning until nearly two months after it began.

Trump* has relentlessly lied about COVID-19: its spread, its danger, & US readiness.

If Trump* had been left alone to use his natural intelligence, we would be at that worst case scenario — “1.6 million to 2.2 million” dead, according to Dr Birx. The reality is that 100,000 to 200,000 dead may be the best we can do at this point after months of Trump*'s lies, inaction and avoiding responsibility.

Those deaths will be what we pay for Trump*’s utter incompetence and willful blindness.

And he’s going to get much, much worse as this crisis gets worse.

God help us.

I’m not disagreeing with those points, far to many companies have taken their business elsewhere, my point is this started elsewhere and models from others predicted what would happen in every country this came to and this administration did not gear up quickly or make hard decisions and put out the correct messaging to slow this spread or get the medical supplies manufactured early enough. It doesn’t just fall on Trumps head, but his leadership and downplaying of this has really been terrible. Everyone on this board is entitled to their opinion on how this has been handled, you don’t have to like mine view, feel free to disagree in a respectful and civil way if your capable wink wink.

I know that I'm kinda, a little bit, "different," but I don't think I'm an apple that fell too far from the human tree. Essentially, basically, I react and think like most regular, normal, people. But I never got this supposed "message" from Trump's rhetoric that everything was absolutely fine, that we had nothing to worry about. He seemed to be trying to dampen over reaction rather than just reassuring us, and not that we should disregard the warnings we were constantly getting from media, from experts including those on his team, from modelers, from Democrats and anti-Trumpers. There was plenty of "disaster" messaging, and we were all hearing it. We were not uninformed. But many also have a "me and mine above all else" attitude, and have no compunction about emptying store shelves to selfishly horde for themselves--and those who heard only the "disaster" message" did just that. The message needed some moderation in order to avoid panic.


As far as mixed messages, the Dems, as has been constantly reiterated here, first accused Trump of over-reacting, then under-reacting.

Possibly, probably, I'm used to how Trump speaks, so I don't literally take every word. I also know that his opponents, including media, will deliberately shade his messaging or totally distort it to mean various degrees of unacceptable--from stupid to destructive, anti-American. I strongly suspect that those who don't like him, really do like these distortions whether they actually believe them or not. They stand by them no matter how well they're debunked.

As far as gearing up too slowly, as I keep hearing from those who don't like him--I have said, from the time he became the nominee, that Trump surrounds himself with "experts" re whatever he wants to accomplish. He states what he wants to be done, then relies on them to do it. There was a whole system in place when he took office. It was, as federal bureaucracies are geared, in place to deal with pandemic emergencies and had the responsibility to be prepared, stocked, and ready to go when a crisis arose. It was not. Perhaps it wasn't possible to be ready for COVID-19.

So a team, a "system," had to be created to deal with it. Takes a bit of time to do that. The team seems to be doing a good job. I don't have the expertise to say they aren't. Some here think they do.

The whole world seems to be bungling as well as possible through this. I don't think we're the worst. Not nearly, if at all.

In the meantime, the real culprit seems to be getting a pass. The Chinese Communist Party is the direct villain here, not Trump, or the current Dems or Repubs, or other world leaders. If we have any fault, it is our noble but unrealistic attempt to bring Communist China into our family of trading partners, thinking the CCP would reform and become a capitalist free market form of government. And our government administrations were too happy (in order to finance their own power ambitions) to overtax and overregulate businesses and corporations to the point that it became economically better for them to far more cheaply produce in this new "partner." And we were so ignorantly proud to contribute to, even become unsustainably indebted to, this shining new experiment that would peaceably bring this most oppressive regime into a new world order of benevolent nations.

And we were so mesmerized by how well this experiment was working, how far and quickly China progressed into becoming, from a backward bastion of human oppression, a glittering economic power ready to assume the mantle of THE dominant power which would show us the way to more economically, equitably, stabilize the desired new world order with a Progressive, top down governmentally controlled system.

We were not to fear, but to admire and appreciate Communist China for showing us that our own inequitable capitalistic system was outmoded (and as well, quietly, was our government strangling Constitution).

So now, we are "woked" into this new world where, rather than producing our own essentials, masters of our own fate, we are not only indebted to, but depended on the CCP to coordinate the production of so much of our medical and military needs as well as much of the tech that glues our culture and society together.

The CCP is the criminal who didn't react quickly enough. It is the criminal that willingly let the virus spread worldwide and lie about it in order to protect itself from the wrath of its own people as well as that of the rest of humanity. It could have stopped the spread by doing what you want Trump to have done.

And, ironically, Trump is the only President since the start of our official commercial comity with communism to actually attempt to disentangle us from the CCP's tentacles.

But, for whatever reason (politics, hate, media driven perspective, disinformation) many of us prefer to bash Trump rather than the CCP. If there is any good that comes of this crisis, the best may be the beginning of the downfall of the CCP. The Chinese people (and the rest of the world) need one of those revolutions that brought down the Soviet Union.

An honest look would expose the inherent danger of putting the welfare of your country into the hands of the CCP. If enough of those countries that have bought into China's Belt and Road "help" suffer enough from the pandemic, they might abandon that self destructive foreign "aid." If the U.S. and the rest of the world wean from China's tits, the CCP will collapse, and the Chinese people might be able to rise to heights that would truly be admirable. They are an industrious people. Given actual freedom, who knows how high they can go.

You have an odd measure of greatness.

Trump* received astonishingly prescient strategic & even tactical intelligence warnings about COVID-19. He then utterly failed to act.

Only Trump* himself refused to believe what the previous administration had & his intelligence reports warned him about.

Faced with the coronavirus, Trump chose not to have the White House lead the planning until nearly two months after it began.

Trump* has relentlessly lied about COVID-19: its spread, its danger, & US readiness.

If Trump* had been left alone to use his natural intelligence, we would be at that worst case scenario — “1.6 million to 2.2 million” dead, according to Dr Birx. The reality is that 100,000 to 200,000 dead may be the best we can do at this point after months of Trump*'s lies, inaction and avoiding responsibility.

Those deaths will be what we pay for Trump*’s utter incompetence and willful blindness.

And he’s going to get much, much worse as this crisis gets worse.

God help us.

Your hate has left you blind to the body of work. We will get through this as a nation but feel free to panic.
Meanwhile, PaulS and Spence made a tick tock video that had more views than Sleepy Joey’s town hall could ever hope for.
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