Fauci and the CDC are Deep State tools to drag this out till Nov. to hurt President Trump’s reelection and destroy his miraculous economy. There’s already proven safe drugs to shield people from getting the virus and from dying from the virus. But NO we have to protect Big Pharma and Communist China who makes 98% of our pharmaceuticals and threatened to withhold those drugs.
Laura Ingraham had a US Doctor on the other night who is taking the anti-malarial drug hydroxychloroquine to shield himself from the WuhanRat Virus.

Fear of a 2020 Trump Landslide is what is driving this TDS Panic....Deep State Rats ARE the Virus.



Trumps followers... shocking

Wayne. Stop watching fox news
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Fauci and the CDC are Deep State tools to drag this out till Nov. to hurt President Trump’s reelection and destroy his miraculous economy. There’s already proven safe drugs to shield people from getting the virus and from dying from the virus. But NO we have to protect Big Pharma and Communist China who makes 98% of our pharmaceuticals and threatened to withhold those drugs.
Laura Ingraham had a US Doctor on the other night who is taking the anti-malarial drug hydroxychloroquine to shield himself from the WuhanRat Virus.

Fear of a 2020 Trump Landslide is what is driving this TDS Panic....Deep State Rats ARE the Virus.





Trumps followers... shocking

What? I mean what? Really? I don't even know what to make of this nonsense. Did you copy and paste this, Wayne? Did you type this? I just do not know what to make of this from adults. People make my head explode with this politicizing of EVERYTHING....

What? I mean what? Really? I don't even know what to make of this nonsense. Did you copy and paste this, Wayne? Did you type this? I just do not know what to make of this from adults. People make my head explode with this politicizing of EVERYTHING....
He’s riffing, it’s art :smokin:
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The base this
Then the base that
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So, if we get less than 200,000 COVID-19 deaths in America, can we all agree that Trump is the greatest president of all time?

So, if we get less than 200,000 COVID-19 deaths in America, can we all agree that Trump is the greatest president of all time?
Sounded like that was the new bar.
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What? I mean what? Really? I don't even know what to make of this nonsense. Did you copy and paste this, Wayne? Did you type this? I just do not know what to make of this from adults. People make my head explode with this politicizing of EVERYTHING....

I didn't write it nor do I think this way , these are comments from Breitbart news Trumps die hard followers. They make AOC look like a girl scout. They are a minority but Trump loves their praise ,

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/24/anthony-fauci-fringe-maga-target-147401

The base this
Then the base that
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:sleeps::sleeps:

I didn't write it nor do I think this way , these are comments from Breitbart news Trumps die hard followers. They make AOC look like a girl scout. They are a minority but Trump loves their praise ,

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/24/anthony-fauci-fringe-maga-target-147401

Wayne,you read Breitbart just so you can get mad and post about the atrocities of the right. Why not just chase your tail instead? This quarantine has you sideways to the point that your boiling over. Why not just stay in your Moms basement like the rest of the brave antifa?
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Wayne,you read Breitbart just so you can get mad and post about the atrocities of the right. Why not just chase your tail instead? This quarantine has you sideways to the point that your boiling over. Why not just stay in your Moms basement like the rest of the brave antifa?
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Breitbart doesn't represent all conservatives, any more than Antifa or Black Lives Matter represent all liberals. Liberals desperately try to pretend otherwise.

Breitbart doesn't represent all conservatives, any more than Antifa or Black Lives Matter represent all liberals. Liberals desperately try to pretend otherwise.

But you constantly pull up a quote from a Dem. and then complain about how Dems do this or that.

How many times have you tried to link Antifa and BLM specifically to the Dem. party?

Hypocrisy?

At leastJim has the intellectual integrity to acknowledge the difference. The majority of snowflakes are proud of their hypocrisy.
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But you constantly pull up a quote from a Dem. and then complain about how Dems do this or that.

How many times have you tried to link Antifa and BLM specifically to the Dem. party?

Hypocrisy?
no. i do it, because there's very little dissent on the left.

i have disagreed here with detbuch and scott on policy. dangles is pro choice.

i’ve asked spence and wdmso many times, on what issues do they disagree with liberalism. can’t get any answer. we all know why.

no, no hypocrisy.
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But you constantly pull up a quote from a Dem. and then complain about how Dems do this or that.

How many times have you tried to link Antifa and BLM specifically to the Dem. party?

Hypocrisy?

i bring up blm and antifa because, while i know they don’t speak for everyone on the left, almost no one on the left will call those groups out for what they are. because despite the fact that liberals never stop patting themselves on the back about how diverse and inclusive they are, they don’t actually tolerate a lot of dissent.
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Typically responses none are directed at the crazy who wrote it... but in True Trumpism form blame the messenger.

Trump feeds this end of his base and like most ofwhat Trump does and says you all rationalize it away
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Typically responses none are directed at the crazy who wrote it... but in True Trumpism form blame the messenger.

Trump feeds this end of his base and like most ofwhat Trump does and says you all rationalize it away
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gibberish. i didn’t rationalize anything, i simply asked you a question.
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some of you guys blamed trump because some
poor idiot drank fish tank cleaner, when trump never came close to suggesting that anyone do that. that’s the textbook definition of deranged.
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He brought in Americans who had the virus from Wuhan and didn't quarantine them. Taiwan has far more cross straits contacts with China than we do yet they have only 2 deaths in a place that has 24 million people. if we had same outcomes we would have 27 dead.
Explain why.

I bet if pete was president he could have kept the chinese virus completely out of the united states

I bet if pete was president he could have kept the chinese virus completely out of the united states

or hilary.
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He brought in Americans who had the virus from Wuhan and didn't quarantine them. Taiwan has far more cross straits contacts with China than we do yet they have only 2 deaths in a place that has 24 million people. if we had same outcomes we would have 27 dead.
Explain why.

Thanks for the proof of your stupidity.🤡
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Great explanation, children

COVID-19 preparedness

With Trump's trade war tariffs of 25%, the American health care system was forced to reduce by 16% its purchases of critical medical supplies and stockpiles from China in 2019.
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To the original post here...is anyone on the right bashing Dr Fauci for sharing his opinion?

And what's wrong with a doctor saying he's taking choloroquine? Is that bad?

no. i do it, because there's very little dissent on the left.

i have disagreed here with detbuch and scott on policy. dangles is pro choice.

i’ve asked spence and wdmso many times, on what issues do they disagree with liberalism. can’t get any answer. we all know why.

no, no hypocrisy.
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You need to ask a specific question to get a direct answer

What issue do I disagree with liberalism ... please feel free to present an issue

Liberalism offers more freedom to the people then conservatives it's just that simple

To quote JFK If by a "Liberal" they mean someone who looks ahead and not behind, someone who welcomes new ideas without rigid reactions, someone who cares about the welfare of the people—their health, their housing, their schools, their jobs, their civil rights, and their civil liberties

no. i do it, because there's very little dissent on the left.

i have disagreed here with detbuch and scott on policy. dangles is pro choice.

i’ve asked spence and wdmso many times, on what issues do they disagree with liberalism. can’t get any answer. we all know why.

no, no hypocrisy.
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You need to ask a specific question to get a direct answer

What issue do I disagree with liberalism ... please feel free to present an issue

Liberalism offers more freedom to the people then conservatives it's just that simple

To quote JFK If by a "Liberal" they mean someone who looks ahead and not behind, someone who welcomes new ideas without rigid reactions, someone who cares about the welfare of the people—their health, their housing, their schools, their jobs, their civil rights, and their civil liberties call me liberal

Ps antifa and BLM are conservative boogeymen

but the Bundy's the Freeman
Oath keeper are Patriots to conservatives funny how that works

You need to ask a specific question to get a direct answer

What issue do I disagree with liberalism ... please feel free to present an issue

Liberalism offers more freedom to the people then conservatives it's just that simple

To quote JFK If by a "Liberal" they mean someone who looks ahead and not behind, someone who welcomes new ideas without rigid reactions, someone who cares about the welfare of the people—their health, their housing, their schools, their jobs, their civil rights, and their civil liberties
so instead of you just telling us on what issues you disagree with liberals on, you want me to ask you about every specific issue? how about you pick one major issue in which you disagree with liberals, and just tell us? wouldn’t that be faster?

“liberalism offers more freedom than conservatism”...that’s so insane, i dont where to even begin.
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so instead of you just telling us on what issues you disagree with liberals on, you want me to ask you about every specific issue? how about you pick one major issue in which you disagree with liberals, and just tell us? wouldn’t that be faster?

Again you think liberalism alone is an issue ,

“liberalism offers more freedom than conservatism”...that’s so insane, i dont where to even begin. just look up what they mean that's a start
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attach a liberal policy you have a question with and I"ll answer it


Florida Governor Doesn’t Want Cruise Ship Carrying Sick to Dock in State

not even the Americans who are on the ship? because in his words their not floridians... So much for being american guess what party :btu:

attach a liberal policy you have a question with and I"ll answer it


Florida Governor Doesn’t Want Cruise Ship Carrying Sick to Dock in State

not even the Americans who are on the ship? because in his words their not floridians... So much for being american guess what party :btu:

ffs, ask liberal CT if the cruise ship can come here, they’ll be told no.

liberals want more government, conservatives want more
personal liberty. you don’t have the faintest clue what you’re talking about.
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attach a liberal policy you have a question with and I"ll answer it


Florida Governor Doesn’t Want Cruise Ship Carrying Sick to Dock in State

not even the Americans who are on the ship? because in his words their not floridians... So much for being american guess what party :btu:
But no criticism about the governor of RI that wants cars with out of state plates stopped? Come on Wayne and stop the ignorant act. It can’t possibly be real. Would a little fairness and honesty hurt THAT much?
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ffs, ask liberal CT if the cruise ship can come here, they’ll be told no.

liberals want more government, conservatives want more
personal liberty. you don’t have the faintest clue what you’re talking about.
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Guess those americans on that ship cant experience those conservatives personal liberty's.. in a conservative run state

Guess those americans on that ship cant experience those conservatives personal liberty's.. in a conservative run state

No one ever said (except you, you were the first person stupid enough to imply it) that conservatives think we should all be able to do whatever we want.

In general, conservatives advocate for less government control, and more individual liberty. In general, liberals want larger government intrusion.

I've never heard anyone deny that before. Congratulations, you are a pioneer in the field of ignorance. You're the Captain Kirk of being wrong.

I'll ask again since you started this post, WHO is accusing Fauci of being an anti-Trumper? Who??

Perhaps some should pay attention to what Trumplican/nationalists want.

Small government and the american founder's liberal ideal is so yesterday in the minds of Trump* supporters.

They cannot abide individual Americans making social and economic choices they do not like. For consumers, the question might be whether to buy foreign or domestic. For a business owner, it might be where to open a factory. For a parent, it might be whether or not to attend drag queen story hour at the local library. Regardless, the new nationalists have decided not only that there is a right answer from a moral perspective but that government should force you to choose correctly.

The Manhattan Institute's Oren Cass laid out a plan involving research and development subsidies, infrastructure investments, preferential tax rates for favored firms, punitive taxes on companies that move jobs overseas, "trade enforcement" to make other countries play according to our rules, and more. "We should have a National Institutes of Manufacturing just as we have a National Institutes of Health," he said.

Yoram Hazony said "Today we declare independence, from neoliberalism, from libertarianism, from what they call classical liberalism. From the set of ideas that sees the atomic individual, the free and equal individual, as the only thing that matters in politics."

Here is what happened today in Hungary, the most nationalist country in the EU.

Hungarian Parliament passes bill that gives PM Orbán unlimited power & proclaims:

- State of emergency w/o time limit
- Rule by decree
- Parliament suspended
- No elections
- Spreading fake news + rumors: up to 5 yrs in prison
- Leaving quarantine: up to 8 yrs in prison

What do you think Trump* who yesterday said "When they disrespect me, they're disrespecting our government," about the heads of the States feels would be the "right thing" for us. Never mind that he has claimed to have the right to restrict movement of american citizens, perhaps because he has no clue about the Constitution and how this government works.

In his mind it is; “L'état, c'est moi.”

To which I say, if you attempt that perhaps it is time we should bring back the guillotine.

Guess those americans on that ship cant experience those conservatives personal liberty's.. in a conservative run state

Explain the Raimondo run state pulling over out of staters Wayne. Be fair
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Explain the Raimondo run state pulling over out of staters Wayne. Be fair
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And what party is she in? Can you remind us?

WDMSO, please comment on that?

It's only bad when a Republican does it.

In his mind it is; “L'état, c'est moi.”

To which I say, if you attempt that perhaps it is time we should bring back the guillotine.

somebody get pete his medication

somebody get pete his medication

Now you've done it. If he drinks fish tank cleaner now, it's your fault.

HELLO


this is precious......

MARCH 30, 2020 3:00 PM

The Arizona woman who said that she and her 68-year-old husband ingested a substance used to clean fish tanks after hearing President Donald Trump tout chloroquine as a cure for the coronavirus has given thousands of dollars to Democratic groups and candidates over the last two years.

The woman's most recent donations, in late February, were to a Democratic PAC, the 314 Action Fund, that bills itself as the "pro-science resistance" and has vocally criticized the Trump administration's response to the coronavirus pandemic and held up her case to slam the White House.

Federal Election Commission records show that Wanda has donated thousands of dollars to Democratic electoral groups and candidates over the past two years, including Hillary Clinton, the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, and EMILY's List, a group that aims to elect pro-choice female candidates.

Wanda told the Free Beacon that she and her husband were both Democrats, not Trump supporters.

Guess those americans on that ship cant experience those conservatives personal liberty's.. in a conservative run state

The mayor of Ft Lauterdale, a democrat named Dean Trantalis, also said that ship had no business docking there.

Go ahead. Tell us what that says about all democrats. After all, you said that because the governor was a republican, his refusal to let the ship dock there said something derogatory about all republicans. So unless you're a world class hypocrite, this mayors comment must also say something derogatory about all democrats. Right, Wayne?

If you think that woman is foolish, just think how stupid you have to be to say it’s not a problem when all the professionals who work for the American people along with you are saying “We have a problem” and you slough it off.

Coronavirus in the U.S.

From 1 to 1,500 fatalities: 27 days

From 1,500 to 3,000 fatalities: 3 days

“I take no responsibility at all”
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It’s like acting him to take responsibility for your chronic foolishness Bitchslappedboy. Some really terrible acts can’t be stopped regardless of reason.
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It’s like acting him to take responsibility for your chronic foolishness Bitchslappedboy. Some really terrible acts can’t be stopped regardless of reason.
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Another cardbordeaux victim, or Judge Jeannine's alter ego?

I'm guessing the latter

It’s like acting him to take responsibility for your chronic foolishness Bitchslappedboy. Some really terrible acts can’t be stopped regardless of reason.
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You mean like the posts you make?
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A very interesting as well as thorough interview--and a bit of an antidote to Pete F:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpA7nf3sibM

Those anthrax letter mailings were never solved.
Perps still walking around somewheres.
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You mean like the posts you make?
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Spitting 🔥
Looks like you are woke now.👍🏿
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No one ever said (except you, you were the first person stupid enough to imply it) that conservatives think we should all be able to do whatever we want.

In general, conservatives advocate for less government control, and more individual liberty. In general, liberals want larger government intrusion.

I've never heard anyone deny that before. Congratulations, you are a pioneer in the field of ignorance. You're the Captain Kirk of being wrong.

I'll ask again since you started this post, WHO is accusing Fauci of being an anti-Trumper? Who??

https://www.newsweek.com/dr-anthony-fauci-defends-trump-coronavirus-task-force-amid-right-wing-conspiracy-theory-attacks-1494881

Explain the Raimondo run state pulling over out of staters Wayne. Be fair
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On Friday, Raimondo issued an executive order instructing state authorities to stop drivers with New York plates and order them to self-quarantine for 14 days, and she said that state and local authorities would also identify where New York transplants had already relocated and go door-to-door informing them of the quarantine requirement.


They are not being denied entrance

On Friday, Raimondo issued an executive order instructing state authorities to stop drivers with New York plates and order them to self-quarantine for 14 days, and she said that state and local authorities would also identify where New York transplants had already relocated and go door-to-door informing them of the quarantine requirement.


They are not being denied entrance
But stopping cars with NY plates is now considered a good deed by alleged civil liberties champions.

No hypocrisy there🤡
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The mayor of Ft Lauterdale, a democrat named Dean Trantalis, also said that ship had no business docking there.

Go ahead. Tell us what that says about all democrats. After all, you said that because the governor was a republican, his refusal to let the ship dock there said something derogatory about all republicans. So unless you're a world class hypocrite, this mayors comment must also say something derogatory about all democrats. Right, Wayne?

Both are wrong for not allowing Americans to get off and seek Treatment
See I disagreed with a Democrat

Ps you brought in personal liberties into the Thread I just pointed out they were denied that .... you made the jump to all Republicans not I

But stopping cars with NY plates is now considered a good deed by alleged civil liberties champions.

No hypocrisy there🤡
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Not sure how not allowing Americans to get off a cruise shipe and seek Treatment is the same as insuring people coming from a hot spot self quarantined for 14 days. Is some how a against their civil liberties ? , they had the liberty to get to RI and have the liberty to return to New York if they choose not self quarantine for 14 days

Not sure how not allowing Americans to get off a cruise shipe and seek Treatment is the same as insuring people coming from a hot spot self quarantined for 14 days. Is some how a against their civil liberties ? , they had the liberty to get to RI and have the liberty to return to New York if they choose not self quarantine for 14 days

You are correct. They are not the same. Every American should be self quarantine unless they are essential, not just the ones with a certain license plate.
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https://www.newsweek.com/dr-anthony-fauci-defends-trump-coronavirus-task-force-amid-right-wing-conspiracy-theory-attacks-1494881

OK, I see. So you are responding to a small number of lunatic fringe in the blogosphere. DO you hold all liberals responsible for the words of your fringe? Does Antifa speak for you? Anyone who would criticize Fauci for him doing his job, is a maniac. Fair enough? NO ONE is listening to those people.

Did anyone who has any meaningful influence, attack the doctor?

OK, I see. So you are responding to a small number of lunatic fringe in the blogosphere. DO you hold all liberals responsible for the words of your fringe? Does Antifa speak for you? Anyone who would criticize Fauci for him doing his job, is a maniac. Fair enough? NO ONE is listening to those people.

Did anyone who has any meaningful influence, attack the doctor?

Didn't you constantly try to link Antifa and BLM to the Dems?

Hypocrisy anyone?

Didn't you constantly try to link Antifa and BLM to the Dems?

Hypocrisy anyone?

What I said, is that it's very rare for democrats to denounce what those groups do. I do not think all democrats endorse the actions of these two groups, but most democrats refuse to condemn them. They stay silent. But they go berserk when conservative nuts bomb abortion clinics.

Sorry if that was too fast for you.

"Hypocrisy anyone?"

You, yes, constantly. Me? Sometimes I guess, but not constantly.

I guess you missed this when you were watching Maddow looking to find something to complain about.

House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi condemned the “violent actions of people calling themselves antifa” after violence led to arrests at Bay Area protests, in the strongest criticism of left-wing protesters that any Democratic leader has made.

“Our democracy has no room for inciting violence or endangering the public, no matter the ideology of those who commit such acts,” Pelosi said in a statement released late Tuesday. “The violent actions of people calling themselves antifa in Berkeley this weekend deserve unequivocal condemnation, and the perpetrators should be arrested and prosecuted.”

Tell me about my hypocrisy. I've pointed out a bunch of yours.

I guess you missed this when you were watching Maddow looking to find something to complain about.

House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi condemned the “violent actions of people calling themselves antifa” after violence led to arrests at Bay Area protests, in the strongest criticism of left-wing protesters that any Democratic leader has made.

“Our democracy has no room for inciting violence or endangering the public, no matter the ideology of those who commit such acts,” Pelosi said in a statement released late Tuesday. “The violent actions of people calling themselves antifa in Berkeley this weekend deserve unequivocal condemnation, and the perpetrators should be arrested and prosecuted.”

Tell me about my hypocrisy. I've pointed out a bunch of yours.

And if I had said "no democrat has ever condemned ANTIFA or BLM", you'd have refuted my point. I happily and immediately concede that some do. But many don't. Many go further and defend them.

"I've pointed out a bunch of yours'

No, you try to paint me as a hypocrite every time I criticize a liberal or praise a conservative. It's only hypocritical, if I react differently to the same thing being done 0on both sides. For example, you criticizing me (fairly) for using ugly language, but saying explicitly you don't care when Pete does it. That is irrefutable hypocrisy.

Read this book, it might help you figure hypocrisy out.

https://www.amazon.com/Mistakes-Were-Made-But-Not/dp/1491514132

Or you could just keep demanding the answers you think are correct
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmlM_ybv1og

No, you try to paint me as a hypocrite every time I criticize a liberal or praise a conservative. It's only hypocritical, if I react differently to the same thing being done 0on both sides. For example, you criticizing me (fairly) for using ugly language, but saying explicitly you don't care when Pete does it. That is irrefutable hypocrisy.

Was that my full statement or are you lying?

Bc what I said was I don't read all (and I probably said most) of his statements. In fact, I wasn't even aware of the statement until I said something SeaDangles (something that keeps getting lower and lower with him) said was a new low for this forum and TDF pointed out Pete's statement.

Do you know what the definition of being a hypocrite is? BC it certainly is not calling you out for hypocrisy while not pointing out every other people's statements for doing the same.

Do you think you are petty? Wasn't bringing Maddow's statement up being petty? Didn't someone point out that someone in the navy didn't even think they would get the ship there quickly. Or starting a thread about the Dems. delaying the stimulus when both sides do it and it was a Rep. who ended up delaying the vote and making them all come back. McConnell got $ put in the bill specifically for the L'oreal plant in Kentucky showing both sides put things in that benefited their interests.

maddow is doing an excellent job making trump look smart and effective I hope she keeps up the good work

Both are wrong for not allowing Americans to get off and seek Treatment
See I disagreed with a Democrat

Ps you brought in personal liberties into the Thread I just pointed out they were denied that .... you made the jump to all Republicans not I
you did criticize a democrat, and i respect that.
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Was that my full statement or are you lying?

Bc what I said was I don't read all (and I probably said most) of his statements. In fact, I wasn't even aware of the statement until I said something SeaDangles (something that keeps getting lower and lower with him) said was a new low for this forum and TDF pointed out Pete's statement.

Do you know what the definition of being a hypocrite is? BC it certainly is not calling you out for hypocrisy while not pointing out every other people's statements for doing the same.

Do you think you are petty? Wasn't bringing Maddow's statement up being petty? Didn't someone point out that someone in the navy didn't even think they would get the ship there quickly. Or starting a thread about the Dems. delaying the stimulus when both sides do it and it was a Rep. who ended up delaying the vote and making them all come back. McConnell got $ put in the bill specifically for the L'oreal plant in Kentucky showing both sides put things in that benefited their interests.

slow down tiger :smokin:

paul, you said you didn’t care. very different from not being aware.

i’m a big boy, i dont care what he wrote any more than you do. but other than political motives, why do you care so
much more about what i post?

as to maddow, has she ever asked pelosi or diblasio why they were, as recently as late february, encouraging people to gather in large numbers in public places? no, because it’s all trumps fault. will maddow sing the praises that the hospital
ship got there earlier than she reported was possible?
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Just keeping track: “The CDC issued its first warning on Jan 8.

Trump held campaign rallies on Jan 9, 14, 28, 30, Feb 10, 19, 20, 21 & 28.

He golfed on Jan 18, 19, Feb 1, 15, Mar 7 & Mar 8.

The first time he admitted the coronavirus might be a problem was Mar 13.”

3500+ dead

Now do but....but....but....

Go in the corner and Bitchslap yourself Moron

General rule: The more excuses you make for Trump, the fewer excuses posterity will make for you.
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Very hard times for this local and likely national economy, our governor just extended the business closers and home stay order until may. Thanks for your proactive moves Donald to get ahead of this early on, oh yeah his priorities are personal as usual, hope your families stay safe.

🧀
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Very hard times for this local and likely national economy,

.

I'm going to tweet this out...because this might be news to everyone

I think SD will be MRI1 and you can be MRI2, cool code names for the irrelevant force.
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On Friday, Raimondo issued an executive order instructing state authorities to stop drivers with New York plates and order them to self-quarantine for 14 days, and she said that state and local authorities would also identify where New York transplants had already relocated and go door-to-door informing them of the quarantine requirement.


They are not being denied entrance
I wonder if you see the hypocrisy of supporting open borders while at the same time trying to justify the reason legal citizens are pulled over traveling interstate to their vacation homes.
Think about that Wayne,you can’t have it both ways.
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I wonder if you see the hypocrisy of supporting open borders while at the same time trying to justify the reason legal citizens are pulled over traveling interstate to their vacation homes.
Think about that Wayne,you can’t have it both ways.
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We dont have open borders but why should facts matter

We dont have open borders but why should facts matter

Haven’t you advocated for them in the past Wayne? Don’t waffle.
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Haven’t you advocated for them in the past Wayne? Don’t waffle.
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Nope :kewl: unless you think saying building a wall is stupid , equals I want open borders

We dont have open borders but why should facts matter

When hundreds of thousands of illegals successfully make it across every year, that means that in any practical sense, we have open borders.

ng building a wall is stupid

you close your door at night, even when the weather is perfect? How come?

I suppose this is due to the actions of the libs or is it “fake news”?

A source confirmed to CNN that Doctor Fauci now requires personal security from law enforcement at all times due to the increase of death threats against him.
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I suppose this is due to the actions of the libs or is it “fake news”?

A source confirmed to CNN that Doctor Fauci now requires personal security from law enforcement at all times due to the increase of death threats against him.
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Fake news
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When hundreds of thousands of illegals successfully make it across every year, that means that in any practical sense, we have open borders.

you need a geography lesson

you need a geography lesson

SO how many illegals do you think successfully cross the Mexican border into the US in a year? Zero? Give me the lesson you say I need...

I suppose this is due to the actions of the libs or is it “fake news”?

A source confirmed to CNN that Doctor Fauci now requires personal security from law enforcement at all times due to the increase of death threats against him.
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Dont make Trump look bad you'll pay

When hundreds of thousands of illegals successfully make it across every year, that means that in any practical sense, we have open borders.



Trump: ‘We’re Not Going to Have Farms’ Without H-2A Foreign Visa Workers

SO how many illegals do you think successfully cross the Mexican border into the US in a year? Zero? Give me the lesson you say I need...

about the same that has been come since I was born


Ps how many is a Math problem not geography problem

SO how many illegals do you think successfully cross the Mexican border into the US in a year? Zero? Give me the lesson you say I need...

we're giving them all drivers licenses so they can get back and forth more easily

about the same that has been come since I was born


Ps how many is a Math problem not geography problem

I never said it was a geography problem, you did. Are you feeling OK? What I said was that if hundreds of thousands can cross every year, that's an open border.

Trump: ‘We’re Not Going to Have Farms’ Without H-2A Foreign Visa Workers

Those are legal workers. Right?

Those are legal workers. Right?

There the ones who overstayed. and why do we need them if we have all the illegals insit are overturning the country ?
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Those are legal workers. Right?

Yes, they are. That's because they have a visa.

If they overstay their visa, then they don't have a visa and they become illegal.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/H-2A_visa
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Yes, they are. That's because they have a visa.

If they overstay their visa, then they don't have a visa and they become illegal.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/H-2A_visa
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common sense has no place in an anti trump rant.
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Here's some Trumplican common sense

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAh4uS4f78o

Fake news Bitchslappedboy
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we should probably just go ahead and put governor nipple earrings in charge of everything...he's done a great job and his state is running away with this competition:kewl:

Fake news Bitchslappedboy
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MRI1
The Trump* administration wasted 70 days downplaying Covid-19
No fake news involved, only fake information from the administration.
Typical Trump* projection, surprised he has not had John Baron call reporters.
The Stable Genius, pharmacist in chief, man with natural ability is at his daily rally now.
He's claiming nobody saw this coming, really how stupid does he think people are and doesn't he realize he is in the leakiest town in the world.
It will all come out.
Shorter Trump presser, if you missed it: It's the media's fault. It's Obama's fault. It's the Democrats' fault. It's the governors' fault. It's our allies' fault. It's the Chinese . . .

I see a light at the end of the tunnel.
👍🏿
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Trump is being criticized for "downplaying" the threat of the virus in January and February. And that he doesn't listen to or contradicts his experts. Here is what his expert, Dr Fauci, said in January:

“It’s a very, very low risk to the United States,” Fauci said during an interview with radio show host John Catsimatidis.
“But it’s something that we as public health officials need to take very seriously... It isn’t something the American public needs to worry about or be frightened about. Because we have ways of preparing and screening of people coming in [from China]. And we have ways of responding - like we did with this one case in Seattle, Washington, who had traveled to China and brought back the infection.”

https://thehill.com/homenews/sunday-talk-shows/479939-government-health-agency-official-corona-virus-isnt-something-the

Trump is being criticized for "downplaying" the threat of the virus in January and February. And that he doesn't listen to or contradicts his experts. Here is what his expert, Dr Fauci, said in January:

“It’s a very, very low risk to the United States,” Fauci said during an interview with radio show host John Catsimatidis.
“But it’s something that we as public health officials need to take very seriously... It isn’t something the American public needs to worry about or be frightened about. Because we have ways of preparing and screening of people coming in [from China]. And we have ways of responding - like we did with this one case in Seattle, Washington, who had traveled to China and brought back the infection.”

https://thehill.com/homenews/sunday-talk-shows/479939-government-health-agency-official-corona-virus-isnt-something-the

exactly. the worlds leading experts had it wrong. And imagine what the liberal response would have been, if Trump ignored the medical community and mandated a national lockdown. What would
Pete, Spence, WDMSO, GS , and Paul have said if Trump did that?

The whole world got caught unprepared. Pelosi and Diblasio told their constituents in late february to continue to go to crowded public places. But it’s all Trumps fault.
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Trump is being criticized for "downplaying" the threat of the virus in January and February. And that he doesn't listen to or contradicts his experts. Here is what his expert, Dr Fauci, said in January:

“It’s a very, very low risk to the United States,” Fauci said during an interview with radio show host John Catsimatidis.
“But it’s something that we as public health officials need to take very seriously... It isn’t something the American public needs to worry about or be frightened about. Because we have ways of preparing and screening of people coming in [from China]. And we have ways of responding - like we did with this one case in Seattle, Washington, who had traveled to China and brought back the infection.”

https://thehill.com/homenews/sunday-talk-shows/479939-government-health-agency-official-corona-virus-isnt-something-the


Because we have ways of preparing and screening. Clearly

. But you left out who's in charge , Fauci didn't stick with his 1st impression. he evolved. TRUMP never evolved until he couldn't wish it away. I dont understand the lengths people go to defend this guy.



Why it's an outrageous idea to hold the POTUS accountable for his poor judgement

There's a saying about leadership in the military You can delegate authority but you can't delegate the responsibility Trump and his supporters are saying oh yes you can....:kewl:

Because we have ways of preparing and screening. Clearly

. But you left out who's in charge , Fauci didn't stick with his 1st impression. he evolved. TRUMP never evolved until he couldn't wish it away. I dont understand the lengths people go to defend this guy.



Why it's an outrageous idea to hold the POTUS accountable for his poor judgement

There's a saying about leadership in the military You can delegate authority but you can't delegate the responsibility Trump and his supporters are saying oh yes you can....:kewl:
“Trump never evolved.”

you’re completely bonkers. Did Trump have the CDC and army corps of engineers working around the clock in January? Did Trump ask the private sector in January to stop what they were doing and
make facemasks?

we’re not going to lengths to defend the guy, we are pointing out what actually happened. You’re the one going to stupefying lengths to attack the guy.
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we’re not going to lengths to defend the guy, we are pointing out what actually happened. You’re the one going to stupefying lengths to attack the guy.
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You nailed it. But he won't understand that.

You nailed it. But he won't understand that.

i did, and he won’t.

Not a syllable about Pelosi and Diblasio telling constituents in late february to keep going to public places, encouraging them to go to bars and restaurants.
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Because we have ways of preparing and screening. Clearly

But I thought we were told that "we" (meaning Trump) were woefully unprepared in just about every respect, including screening.

. But you left out who's in charge , Fauci didn't stick with his 1st impression. he evolved. TRUMP never evolved until he couldn't wish it away.

In charge of what? Fauci and the medical "experts" were in charge of diagnosing conditions and advising what the risk was. You say he "evolved." So did Trump, in accordance with the same reality that informed Fauci. Of course, it is impossible for you to admit that, so must characterize it as "until he couldn't wish it away." It's that mind reading trick you use whenever you need to bash Trump without solid evidence in order to tell us what he REALLY was thinking.


I dont understand the lengths people go to defend this guy.

As Jim said you're the one going to stupefying lengths to attack the guy.

Why it's an outrageous idea to hold the POTUS accountable for his poor judgement

It must be even more outrageous to you to point out his good judgment.

There's a saying about leadership in the military You can delegate authority but you can't delegate the responsibility Trump and his supporters are saying oh yes you can....:kewl:

That's a very general statement. I suppose the implication is, if you're the President you're responsible for the poor judgment of those to whom you've delegated authority. So, if that's the case, then why is there this incessant accusation that Trump does not listen to or disagrees with his appointees. What is so precious about their opinions if they are not responsible for them.

I'm just guessing . . . I think most folks, especially anti-Trumpers, want Trump to abide by the decisions and opinions of the medical experts such as Fauci, rather than disregarding them and taking on the responsibility himself of judging what needs to be done.

Also, in spite of the notion that you and so many have that the President has the sole, or even major, responsibility, for doing what is necessary to fight the virus, that is not the case. You're implicit "downplaying" the responsibility of state and local authorities which are actually the front line and most responsible for fighting that war according to the national blueprint which was created for preparing for and fighting pandemics.

“Trump never evolved.”

you’re completely bonkers. Did Trump have the CDC and army corps of engineers working around the clock in January? Did Trump ask the private sector in January to stop what they were doing and
make facemasks?

we’re not going to lengths to defend the guy, we are pointing out what actually happened. You’re the one going to stupefying lengths to attack the guy.
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I love your version of what actually happen ... please show us because you have clearly been shown a time line several times , but insist trumps done More ??

I love your version of what actually happen ... please show us because you have clearly been shown a time line several times , but insist trumps done More ??

do you even know what youre saying, what you are defending? You are claiming that trump feels the same way about this virus today, as he did in january. that’s ridiculous. the army corps
of engineers want building makeshift hospitals in January. you’re making up gibberish to criticize trump.

if you want to say he should
have done more in january, i agree with that. you’re saying he’s not doing anything different today compared to january, and that’s bonkers.
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Trump is being criticized for "downplaying" the threat of the virus in January and February. And that he doesn't listen to or contradicts his experts. Here is what his expert, Dr Fauci, said in January:

“It’s a very, very low risk to the United States,” Fauci said during an interview with radio show host John Catsimatidis.
“But it’s something that we as public health officials need to take very seriously... It isn’t something the American public needs to worry about or be frightened about. Because we have ways of preparing and screening of people coming in [from China]. And we have ways of responding - like we did with this one case in Seattle, Washington, who had traveled to China and brought back the infection.”

https://thehill.com/homenews/sunday-talk-shows/479939-government-health-agency-official-corona-virus-isnt-something-the
If you listen to the actual interview Fauci qualifies that statement very specifically.

I know you’re busy, here it is in full.

http://www.catsimatidis.com/dr-anthony-fauci-national-institute-of-health-nih-infectious-diseases-coronavirus-in-the-us/

His remark is based primarily on very thorough port of entry screening measures that he anticipated but never really materialized.

Hell, my sister landed in the US from an international flight in mid March as things were really blowing up and didn’t even get as much as a single question related to the pandemic when clearing customs. On nearly the same day a flight of spring breakers flew from her departure airport landing in the US with 44 infected.
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If you listen to the actual interview Fauci qualifies that statement very specifically.

I know you’re busy, here it is in full.

http://www.catsimatidis.com/dr-anthony-fauci-national-institute-of-health-nih-infectious-diseases-coronavirus-in-the-us/

His remark is based primarily on very thorough port of entry screening measures that he anticipated but never really materialized.

Hell, my sister landed in the US from an international flight in mid March as things were really blowing up and didn’t even get as much as a single question related to the pandemic when clearing customs. On nearly the same day a flight of spring breakers flew from her departure airport landing in the US with 44 infected.
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OK, so I listened to the full interview and there was no hint of Fauci backtracking or qualifying its being, as I quoted him, “a very, very low risk to the United States,” Fauci said during an interview with radio show host John Catsimatidis. “But it’s something that we as public health officials need to take very seriously... It isn’t something the American public needs to worry about or be frightened about. Because we have ways of preparing and screening of people coming in [from China]"

Whether or not something did or didn't materialize later doesn't take away from the "messaging" he gave at the time which was similar in essence to the so-called "downplaying" that Trump was excoriated for. According to wdmso and, I presume, all anti-Trumpers, Fauci is allowed to "evolve" his thinking, but Trump is not. And that's the point I was making.

Obviously, it turned out to be more serious than Fauci thought. Or than Trump, or Pelosi, and Diblasio, and most other lefty commentators thought and expressed at the time. But Trump is the dummy who gave us bad "messaging" which caused the crisis.

How a different democracy did not wait 70 days, but acted immediately, with urgency, direction and achieved different results.

SEOUL - In late January, South Korean health officials summoned representatives from more than 20 medical companies from their lunar New Year celebrations to a conference room tucked inside Seoul’s busy train station.

One of the country’s top infectious disease officials delivered an urgent message: South Korea needed an effective test immediately to detect the novel coronavirus, then running rampant in China. He promised the companies swift regulatory approval.

Though there were only four known cases in South Korea at that point, “we were very nervous. We believed that it could develop into a pandemic,” one attendee, Lee Sang-won, an infectious diseases expert at the Korea Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, told Reuters.

“We acted like an army,” he said.

A week after the Jan. 27 meeting, South Korea’s CDC approved one company’s diagnostic test. Another company soon followed. By the end of February, South Korea was making headlines around the world for its drive-through screening centers and ability to test thousands of people daily.

South Korea’s swift action stands in stark contrast to what has transpired in the United States. Seven weeks after the train station meeting, the Koreans have tested well over 290,000 people and identified over 8,000 infections. New cases are falling off: Ninety-three were reported Wednesday, down from a daily peak of 909 two weeks earlier.

The United States, whose first case was detected the same day as South Korea’s, is not even close to meeting demand for testing. About 60,000 tests have been run by public and private labs in a country of 330 million, federal officials said Tuesday.

As a result, U.S. officials don’t fully grasp how many Americans have been infected and where they are concentrated - crucial to containment efforts. While more than 7,000 U.S. cases had been identified as of Wednesday, as many as 96 million people could be infected in coming months, and 480,000 could die, according to a projection prepared for the American Hospital Association by Dr. James Lawler, an infectious disease expert at the University of Nebraska Medical Center.

How the United States fell so far behind South Korea, according to infectious disease experts, clinicians and state and local officials, is a tale of many contrasts in the two nations’ public health systems: a streamlined bureaucracy versus a congested one, bold versus cautious leadership, and a sense of urgency versus a reliance on protocol.

The delayed and chaotic testing in the United States will cost lives, potentially including those of doctors and nurses, many medical experts predict. Already more than 100 people have died overall, and fears of rampant spread have led to extraordinary restrictions on social interaction, upending the U.S. economy, schools, hospitals and everyday life.

The administration of President Donald Trump was tripped up by government rules and conventions, former officials and public health experts say. Instead of drafting the private sector early on to develop tests, as South Korea did, U.S. health officials relied, as is customary, on test kits prepared by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, some of which proved faulty. Then, sticking to its time-consuming vetting procedures, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration didn’t approve tests other than the CDC’s until Feb. 29, more than five weeks after discussions with outside labs had begun.

Meanwhile, in the absence of enough kits, the CDC insisted for weeks on narrow criteria for testing, recommending it only when a person had recently been to China or other hot spots or had contact with someone known to be infected. As a result, the federal government failed to screen an untold number of Americans and missed opportunities to contain the spread, clinicians and public health experts say.

South Korea took a risk, releasing briskly vetted tests, then circling back later to spot check their effectiveness. By contrast, the United States’ FDA said it wanted to ensure, upfront, that the tests were accurate before they went out to millions of Americans.

Meanwhile, nobody in this administration can tell what the plan is beyond having a daily Trump Rally.

Now go ahead and spout the gaslighting baloney that you have bought into about how proactive this administration was regarding anything to do with Covid-19.

Because there is no path to rebuilding the American economy and protecting people from this virus at the current level of testing. And that’s why the lies about tests will be the alpha and omega of Trump’s slow, disastrous response.

Sounds like, as has been said in other posts, that the U.S. regulatory bureaucracy that was in place at the time of the coronavirus, was ill equipped at all levels of government as well as being overregulated, and its experts were too caught up in their own mess. And that had to be overcome by the Trump administration before a more feasible approach could be created.

do you even know what youre saying, what you are defending? You are claiming that trump feels the same way about this virus today, as he did in january. that’s ridiculous. the army corps
of engineers want building makeshift hospitals in January. you’re making up gibberish to criticize trump.

if you want to say he should
have done more in january, i agree with that. you’re saying he’s not doing anything different today compared to january, and that’s bonkers.
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Because dawn finally broke over Marblehead and he couldn’t hide from the facts, early on sadly when it could have made a difference, it was downplay and personal priorities. In January and February it was more important to hold 9 rallies. Of course golf is important to Trump as it allows the family to make some money even in hard times, so he got 6 rounds in through March 8th.

⛑
As sure as the sun will rise
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Sounds like, as has been said in other posts, that the U.S. regulatory bureaucracy that was in place at the time of the coronavirus, was ill equipped at all levels of government as well as being overregulated, and its experts were too caught up in their own mess. And that had to be overcome by the Trump administration before a more feasible approach could be created.
Just who is and has for years been administering that bureaucracy, are you saying this administration is incapable of doing the job they were elected to do?
I’m glad you’re eyes have finally opened
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^^^^ I like this pete better

Just who is and has for years been administering that bureaucracy, are you saying this administration is incapable of doing the job they were elected to do?
I’m glad you’re eyes have finally opened
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Federal regulatory agencies are designed to run themselves. It is only when a problem arises, or a new mandate is given to them, that The President or the Congress involve themselves.

That bureaucracy was ill equipped and ill prepared before Trump arrived. that was not known by the new administration until the coronavirus hit. It was his administration that had to work through that mess in order to finally provide what the Federal government was able to do. The pandemic response protocols in place, dormant and unattended to with some critical items not having been restocked before the pandemic hit had to be reworked by the current administration and made operational. It took a bit of time, but once it worked through the flustercluck it got rolling pretty well and is doing a pretty good job now.

Federal regulatory agencies are designed to run themselves. It is only when a problem arises, or a new mandate is given to them, that The President or the Congress involve themselves.

That bureaucracy was ill equipped and ill prepared before Trump arrived. that was not known by the new administration until the coronavirus hit. It was his administration that had to work through that mess in order to finally provide what the Federal government was able to do. The pandemic response protocols in place, dormant and unattended to with some critical items not having been restocked before the pandemic hit had to be reworked by the current administration and made operational. It took a bit of time, but once it worked through the flustercluck it got rolling pretty well and is doing a pretty good job now.

Obviously all government works like magic and administrations don’t matter.
Now I understand how you think that Trump* is competent.
Government is capable of fumbling along all by itself, good governance requires leadership
None is apparent here
They had three years, that’s almost a whole term.
Bush and Obama had plans to deal with this, this fool threw them in the trash.
The Stable Genius was so worried about maybe losing a billion to immigrants that he declared his fence an emergency.
His inaction here has cost Trillions
Keep believing



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Obviously things would be a lot easier if everyone wasn’t out to get him, doctors are wrong about prescribing drugs, nurses are selling PPE out the back door, inspector generals are all part of the deep state, governors are lying about their needs the snakes, the democratic plot to destroy the economy to help Biden and don’t get me started about these expectations that the Federal Government is supposed to lead in a crisis.
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You have a man with absolutely no managerial ability, who never had to answer to a Board of Directors, with no understanding of governmental functioning, insisting he must run the show. The ultimate incompetent bully.
You’re up MRI1
Spout your 💩
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Obviously all government works like magic and administrations don’t matter.
Now I understand how you think that Trump* is competent.
Government is capable of fumbling along all by itself, good governance requires leadership

Sarcastic hyperbole can be a useful rhetorical trick to persuade without actual argument. It also can be a sign that you have no argument.

Federal executive agencies, like HHS and CDC, as well as all the other federal regulatory agencies, are meant to operate quasi independently and have what we would consider the trifecta of American government--legislative, executive, and judicial powers within the scope of their mandate.

Although the Congress has oversight responsibility to assure that these agencies are properly doing their job, and the President has the executive authority to direct them if so needed or so desired, the truth is that there are too many federal agencies for Congress to be able to truly have its finger on the operation of each of them, and the modern day President is daily burdened with so much other stuff that he can't possibly be aware of the problems even of the lesser number of executive agencies. So it is the responsibility of the executive agencies to report any problems it has to the President, otherwise, Presidents are too busy to be constantly, or even occasionally, monitoring them.

BTW, it is that total power, the trifecta, that these agencies have that makes them unconstitutional to begin with. But that's another story which I'm sure you don't want to hear.

None is apparent here
They had three years, that’s almost a whole term.
Bush and Obama had plans to deal with this, this fool threw them in the trash.

Actually, if Trump was not informed (at the time he took office until the pandemic happened) by an agency that it was understocked or had some operational problem, it would be normal for him to assume all was OK.

For instance, take the case of N95 respiratory masks shortage that occurred back in 2009 when the national supply was diminished by the swine flue. The Obama administration was notified of the shortage. It had seven years to replenish the supply but didn't do so. Who knows why? Just an oversight? Or not really considered important enough? Or just some glitch? When Trump came on the scene, was he notified? I don't know. But it would have been the responsibility of the proper agency to do so. The pandemic eventually woke everyone up to the shortage, and the Trump administration ordered 500 million masks in March.

But, even so, it is not the sole responsibility of the Federal government and the President to supply masks. Hospitals, and local, and state, regulators are required to oversee that hospitals are properly equipped for daily operations as well as potential crises. The Bush administration established a Pandemic Influenza Preparedness Response, and Recovery Guide for Critical Infrastructure and Key Resources. In that guide it said of STATE, LOCAL, AND TRIBAL levels of gvt.:
"This level of government represents the nation’s front lines in the pandemic battle. They will face extreme challenges in maintaining normal operations in the face of widespread illness and increased demand on most government services. States are diligently updating their pandemic plans. As outlined in the Strategy, State, local, and tribal responsibilities include the following:

•ensuring all reasonable measures are taken to limit the spread of an outbreak within and beyond the community’s borders;

•establishing comprehensive and credible preparedness and response plans that are exercised on a regular basis;

•integrating non-health entities, including law enforcement, utilities, and city services in pandemic planning;

•identifying key spokespersons for the community, ensuring that they are educated in risk communications, and having coordinated crisis communications plans;

*establishing State and community-based stockpiles and distribution systems;

So why was, for instance, New York so woefully short on the ventilators that he complained Trump was not providing? Well, not many hospitals, state and local governments, were following the pandemic guidelines. Nor, apparently, was the previous administration. And Trump "inherited" that mess. And provided Cuomo the ventilators that he should have bought in readiness.

All that is not to point fingers, but to question why Trump is supposed to be this dangerous culprit that must be removed, as you claim.

The Stable Genius was so worried about maybe losing a billion to immigrants that he declared his fence an emergency.
His inaction here has cost Trillions
Keep believing


He acted. First he was accused of overreacting, then of not acting. He is accused of downplaying (even though he supposedly overreacted with the travel ban) while at the same time the media and the Dems as well as Fauci were downplaying. And his well respected expert Fauci has not expressed the same belief that you keep believing.

He didn’t know
Nobody told him
Everyone else did it
Good luck with that
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governors are lying about their needs the snakes, the democratic plot to destroy the economy to help Biden and don’t get me started about these expectations that the Federal Government is supposed to lead in a crisis.
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even snakes won't help biden....

You have a man with absolutely no managerial ability, who never had to answer to a Board of Directors, with no understanding of governmental functioning, insisting he must run the show. The ultimate incompetent bully.
You’re up MRI1
Spout your 💩
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Funny, Obama took office and had never, not once managed people. He was a community activist with zero real world experience. Tell me his real world experience before he held office.

Sorry Bitchslappedboy but the truth matters here.

America 1st
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Funny, Obama took office and had never, not once managed people. He was a community activist with zero real world experience. Tell me his real world experience before he held office.

Sorry Bitchslappedboy but the truth matters here.

America 1st
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Yes it does MRI1
400k+ flew from China before the US became the 39th country to impose travel restrictions. 40k+ came after. Since CV was already here and the fact that the US now leads in cases and is 3rd in deaths makes Trump’s claim of early decisive action meaningless.
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You can blame and point fingers.
You are great at it.
Lots of practice.

I see a light at the end of the tunnel and I am hopeful we can stop the spread.
#flattenthecurve
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You can blame and point fingers.
You are great at it.
Lots of practice.

I see a light at the end of the tunnel and I am hopeful we can stop the spread.
#flattenthecurve
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You talking about Trump?..

You talking about Trump?..

I am talking about broken records.
👌
The guys who have been repeating themselves for 3 years.
🤡⛑🤡⛑🤡⛑🤡⛑
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Unfortunately, the light he sees is from the train coming
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Chew
Chew
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The guys who have been repeating themselves for 3 years.

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literally repeating themselves day after day:shocked:...perhaps the... means justify the....something something

literally repeating themselves day after day:shocked:...perhaps the... means justify the....something something

The bedroom fans of SB, just humming away providing white noise in the background.
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literally repeating themselves day after day:shocked:...perhaps the... means justify the....something something

I know, if I have to read SD post best president of our lifetime, it might break the record for the most meaningless repost record of all time.

I know, if I have to read SD post best president of our lifetime, it might break the record for the most meaningless repost record of all time.
I will holster my opinion regarding our President if you can do the same.
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79 days since first case

“We have it totally under control. It’s one person coming in from China, and we have it under control. It’s going to be just fine.”

US 400,000+ infected
13,000+ dead

SK
10,000+ infected
200 dead

Trump never rates his criminally-derelict leadership less than a “10.”

Why would he? Between January and mid-March Trump proved that, in matters of life and death, his base will believe anything—until he tells them to believe something else.

Just in it's now the World Health Organizations Fault , for Covid 19

Maybe he listened to the B 52. It's just a party out of bounds


Who's to blame when parties really get out of hand?
Who's to blame when they get poorly planned?

People get sick, they play the wrong games
You know, it could ruin your name......

Keep up the social distancing
Stop the spread👍🏿
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Just in it's now the World Health Organizations Fault , for Covid 19

Maybe he listened to the B 52. It's just a party out of bounds


Who's to blame when parties really get out of hand?
Who's to blame when they get poorly planned?

People get sick, they play the wrong games
You know, it could ruin your name......

so Trump criticizes the WHO, and shockingly, your reaction is that Trump couldn’t possibly have a valid criticism.

Are you saying the WHO did a good job in the early days?

i swear to god, if Trump said “two plus two is four”, people here would
shriek “the hell it is!”.

Wayne, please tell us who claimed
this is all the WHO’s fault? Or admit you made that up.

do you ever, ever stop
and think?

Trump criticized the WHO. You can’t comment on the validity of his criticism, so you make the absurd and blatantly dishonest leap to claim Trump blames the WHO.

When you can’t respond to what was actually said, you can always lie about what was said and respond to something that no one ever said.

And then you accuse the right of going to stupid lengths to protect him, but you can’t see that you’re going to stupid lengths to attack him.
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Every president for the last 20 years has predicted the eventuality of a pandemic and preached preparedness. Except for Trump*.

He was busy saving us from threats enlarged by his own puffery.

All he has done with this pandemic is claim it was nothing to worry about until it became unavoidable.

Now the blame is being cast in all directions.

He's not missing any opportunity to point a finger and feign innocence.

I do not imply that anyone should escape culpability, but it does not mean at all that he did a perfect job and rates a "10".

Trump* has prioritized politics over public health, exactly what he criticizes the Chinese and WHO for doing when COVID-19 emerged.

Trump* blames everyone else in a pathetic effort to shift blame for his own inept leadership, his citizens struggle and now China is laying the groundwork for global leadership in the post-COVID-19 era.

Thanks to Trump*, the US will almost certainly lose countless lives and it's standing in the world.

He is clearly the greatest president of In the history of our country
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We are certainly in the lead on the Pandemic Reality Show.
Apparently some people think that is the definition of greatness.
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so Trump criticizes the WHO, and shockingly, your reaction is that Trump couldn’t possibly have a valid criticism.

Are you saying the WHO did a good job in the early days?

i swear to god, if Trump said “two plus two is four”, people here would
shriek “the hell it is!”.

Wayne, please tell us who claimed
this is all the WHO’s fault? Or admit you made that up.

do you ever, ever stop
and think?

Trump criticized the WHO. You can’t comment on the validity of his criticism, so you make the absurd and blatantly dishonest leap to claim Trump blames the WHO.

When you can’t respond to what was actually said, you can always lie about what was said and respond to something that no one ever said.

And then you accuse the right of going to stupid lengths to protect him, but you can’t see that you’re going to stupid lengths to attack him.
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Watch a briefing .. it might help .. Trump is criticizing the WHO in his endless blame game. His validity was telling lies and mis quotes. Then TRUMP starts parroting a host on fox 5 about mail in ballots and fraud.

You suggest I attack Trump. Not sure how one can attack someone based on what they actually said and did or not do ?

We are certainly in the lead on the Pandemic Reality Show.
Apparently some people think that is the definition of greatness.
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pete...you are your own reality show...you should watch your self...you'd be amused

Watch a briefing .. it might help .. Trump is criticizing the WHO in his endless blame game. His validity was telling lies and mis quotes. Then TRUMP starts parroting a host on fox 5 about mail in ballots and fraud.

You suggest I attack Trump. Not sure how one can attack someone based on what they actually said and did or not do ?

"Trump is criticizing the WHO"

(1) Is that the same as Trump saying it's all their fault? Because that's what you claim he said.

(2) In your opinion, the WHO doesn't deserve criticism for their response?

"You suggest I attack Trump"

Everyone here knows that's what you're doing. You are claiming he said things, which he very came close to saying.

If you want to say he didn't do enough early on, made some statements that turned out to be waaaayy off, that he blames others for his mistakes? All of that's fine. But why lie about what he said, unless you are attaching him as a manifestation of your TDS? WHy not point out when others said some of the same things he said?

Biden said the Chinese travel restrictions weren't necessary. No Biden has completely flip-flopped on that. And we all know who you're voting for. So you don't care when democrats were way, way wrong. Only when Trump is.

pete...you are your own reality show...you should watch your self...you'd be amused

After Season 3, it’s safe to say it’s “Jumped the Shark”
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For three years the Chosen One has bullied and bull#^&#^&#^&#^&ted his way till he met a real crisis.

In addition to destroying the means of monitoring the danger of pandemic in the NSC, he allowed the removal of the ability to monitor pandemics worldwide firsthand.

If you think that he was not told about Covid-19 and the dangers starting in November you are smoking too much dope.
If it was in the National Intelligence Daily at that time, it certainly would have been brought up in the President's Daily Brief.
Think that a total shutdown of a province in China escaped our satellite surveillance, but piles of urns outside funeral homes is known, really?

This administration failed to take the necessary steps to save american lives, not for lack of knowledge but because it was hoped that it would just go away one day, like a miracle. Don't say anything it will upset the economy, make the DOW drop and possibly hurt my election chances.

All the records exist that will show what was known, the decisions made and we are now seeing what happens when we elect a malignant narcissist as President.
I'm amazed that you are impressed and believe that he is even a semi-capable president, all he has done is proven what I thought since he came down the escalator.
He is a conman.
He has spent his whole life scamming people.
He still is running the con.
He cannot stop because without the con, he is nothing.

His daily rally is on now, you better go watch.

We can now read the Imperial College report on COVID-19 that led to the extreme measures we've seen in the US this week. Read it; it's terrifying. I'll offer a summary in this thread; please correct me if I've gotten it wrong.

Here's what would happen: 80% of Americans would get the disease. 0.9% of them would die. Between 4 and 8 percent of all Americans over the age of 70 would die. 2.2 million Americans would die from the virus itself.

It gets worse. People with severe COVID-19 need to be put on ventilators. 50% of those on ventilators still die, but the other 50% live. But in an unmitigated epidemic, the need for ventilators would be 30 times the number available in the US. Nearly 100% of these patients die.

So the actual death toll from the virus would be closer to 4 million Americans -- in a span of 3 months. 8-15% of all Americans over 70 would die.

How many is 4 million people? It's more Americans than have died all at once from anything, ever. It's the population of Los Angeles. It's 4 times the number of Americans who died in the Civil War...on both sides combined. It's two-thirds as many people as died in the Holocaust.






hey pete...if millions of americans don't die in the coming weeks as you predicted, an outcome which I'm sure will greatly disappoint you...will you give him some credit?

hey pete...if millions of americans don't die in the coming weeks as you predicted, an outcome which I'm sure will greatly disappoint you...will you give him some credit?

Is there any question that he'll give him some credit?

Not only will he not give him credit, he won't admit the modelers were wrong, unless they are republicans.

if the modelers keep remodeling their models who knows where we'll end up in the next couple of weeks but I'm not disappointed over the fact that many fewer are dying compared to projections so far....seems as though the critical thinkers in the media and elsewhere were very invested in a high body count

if the modelers keep remodeling their models who knows where we'll end up in the next couple of weeks but I'm not disappointed over the fact that many fewer are dying compared to projections so far....seems as though the critical thinkers in the media and elsewhere were very invested in a high body count

Did you notice that when a hurricane was coming the media would try its best to scare everyone to death to evacuate and run for the hills to lower death tolls along the coastal flood plains??? It’s the same here. They gave huge numbers to scare everyone into locking down. I’m cool with it.
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if the modelers keep remodeling their models who knows where we'll end up in the next couple of weeks but I'm not disappointed over the fact that many fewer are dying compared to projections so far....seems as though the critical thinkers in the media and elsewhere were very invested in a high body count

Actually seems that the model was assuming only 50-60% social distancing. Actually been closer to 90% so much less spread. People actually listened, mostly, so far.

Still a ways to go especially if another city(ies) become new hot spots.
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all I said was I'm glad they are moving in a good direction...you guys are WAY too sensitive

Did you notice that when a hurricane was coming the media would try its best to scare everyone to death to evacuate and run for the hills to lower death tolls along the coastal flood plains??? It’s the same here. They gave huge numbers to scare everyone into locking down. I’m cool with it.
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No, that's not all they did. Very early on, after Trump issued the travel restrictions, MANY in the mainstream media downplayed the severity of the virus, saying that Trumps restrictions were a stupid over reaction, that the virus wasn't that bad, that we had more to fear from government over-reach than from the virus. You conveniently left that part out.

Headlines from the Washington Post, very much a mainstream media outlet...

“Get a grippe, America. The flu is a much bigger threat than coronavirus, for now,” read a Post story from Feb. 1, written by a Post staffer.

“How our brains make coronavirus seem scarier than it is,” read another Post story, from Jan. 31, written by a guest commenter from Harvard University.

“Why we should be wary of an aggressive government response to coronavirus,” read the third headline, from a Feb. 3 Post article co-authored by two academics from Northwestern University

And again, on February 27, Nancy Pelosi was wandering on San Francisco's Chinatown district, telling her citizens to go out to crowded public places.

But only Trump made any mistakes.

The White House was warned repeatedly in November & December 2019 that the US military's National Center for Medical Intelligence concluded the outbreak in China could be a “cataclysmic event”.

“I would view it as something that surprised the whole world.”
~Trump, 3/19/20

Actually seems that the model was assuming only 50-60% social distancing. Actually been closer to 90% so much less spread. People actually listened, mostly, so far.

Still a ways to go especially if another city(ies) become new hot spots.
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Nobody is happier than our President to see the trend. Not a miracle of course but also a far cry from the worst case scenario that some seemed blame on Trump. It’s great to see the country pull together with a common goal.👍🏿
Let’s hope the trend continues and we can all enjoy the low price at the pump this summer. Throw in some calm seas and we are golden.
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I see one guy spinning here, just keep believing this liar, covering up his gaslighting and incompetence while Americans die. More than Wars, hopefully not as many as all combined.
And remember your enabling when your friends and relatives ask after a Hundred Thousand or more Americans die: What did you say when Trump said in response to: "Are you concerned about a pandemic?": “No. Not at all. And we have it totally under control. … It’s going to be just fine.”?
Pelosi should have done something, really?

GFY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZtEhHqTnDag

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIfM8GeSk6Y

Greatest President ever?

all I said was I'm glad they are moving in a good direction...you guys are WAY too sensitive

I didn't claim otherwise. Was just adding context.
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Some keep banking on death to enhance their perspective.
Trump is trying hard to disappoint these types and it seems to be working.
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Actually seems that the model was assuming only 50-60% social distancing. Actually been closer to 90% so much less spread. People actually listened, mostly, so far.

Still a ways to go especially if another city(ies) become new hot spots.
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Exactly and imagine where we would have been had there been a call early on to take this seriously and not downplay it until it was obviously going to explode without hard calls to stay home and keep a physical distance if you had to go out.

We have a
LIGHT AT THE END OF THE TUNNEL!
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Exactly and imagine where we would have been had there been a call early on to take this seriously and not downplay it until it was obviously going to explode without hard calls to stay home and keep a physical distance if you had to go out.

right probably nobody would have contracted it and/or died...like the rest of the world...good grief...

"Trump is criticizing the WHO"

(1) Is that the same as Trump saying it's all their fault? Because that's what you claim he said.

(2) In your opinion, the WHO doesn't deserve criticism for their response?

"You suggest I attack Trump"

Everyone here knows that's what you're doing. You are claiming he said things, which he very came close to saying.

If you want to say he didn't do enough early on, made some statements that turned out to be waaaayy off, that he blames others for his mistakes? All of that's fine. But why lie about what he said, unless you are attaching him as a manifestation of your TDS? WHy not point out when others said some of the same things he said?

Biden said the Chinese travel restrictions weren't necessary. No Biden has completely flip-flopped on that. And we all know who you're voting for. So you don't care when democrats were way, way wrong. Only when Trump is.

The only one lying about what Trump has said is you insisting he has never said or told the lies he has been accused of? Even after seeing them in print or video, hell hes even said he didn't say something he said during the same briefing. :faga:

Who the POTUS that's it... Biden can say what he wants he has no power

Again not sure how Democrats were way wrong at what point ? That his Travel ban didn't ban all travelers from China ? Or when he banned travel from the EU but not england
The disease is still here regardless. But you keep clinging to he banned China travel ...
I dont know what the reasons is you keep repeating this .. unless you think it changed or slowed the spread in the USA , haven't seen anything suggesting it did or didn't, unless over on fox

New research indicates that the coronavirus began to circulate in the New York area by mid-February, weeks before the first confirmed case, and that travelers brought in the virus mainly from Europe, not Asia.

“The majority is clearly European,” said Harm van Bakel, a geneticist at Icahn School of Medicine at Mount Sinai, who co-wrote a study awaiting peer review.

A separate team at N.Y.U. Grossman School of Medicine came to strikingly similar conclusions, despite studying a different group of cases. Both teams analyzed genomes from coronaviruses taken from New Yorkers starting in mid-March.

The research revealed a previously hidden spread of the virus that might have been detected if aggressive testing programs had been put in place.

On Jan. 31, President Trump barred foreign nationals from entering the country if they had been in China during the prior two weeks.

Donald J. Trump@realDonaldTrump·
Aug 2, 2014
The U.S. must immediately stop all flights from EBOLA infected countries or the plague will start and spread inside our "borders." Act fast!

If only he had been as concerned about Covid-19 and took the actions that previous presidents had.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHjJydZO99A

Hindsight is useful in these situations.👍🏿
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New research indicates that the coronavirus began to circulate in the New York area by mid-February, weeks before the first confirmed case, and that travelers brought in the virus mainly from Europe, not Asia.

“The majority is clearly European,” said Harm van Bakel, a geneticist at Icahn School of Medicine at Mount Sinai, who co-wrote a study awaiting peer review.

A separate team at N.Y.U. Grossman School of Medicine came to strikingly similar conclusions, despite studying a different group of cases. Both teams analyzed genomes from coronaviruses taken from New Yorkers starting in mid-March.

The research revealed a previously hidden spread of the virus that might have been detected if aggressive testing programs had been put in place.

On Jan. 31, President Trump barred foreign nationals from entering the country if they had been in China during the prior two weeks.


New research indicates

Don't worry, the documents will show that hindsight was not required.
All that was required was to listen and act.

Don't worry, the documents will show that hindsight was not required.
All that was required was to listen and act.

Who is worried Bitchslappedboy?

We have the greatest president of our lifetime steering the ship back towards prosperity . Consider yourself one of the fortunate. We live in the greatest country in the world.👌
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Who is worried Bitchslappedboy?

We have the greatest president of our lifetime steering the ship back towards prosperity .
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zp7QoR8vMW8

New research indicates

and his study is still waiting to be reviewed, but it makes trump
look bad, and that’s good enough. but trump isn’t supposed to say that hydroxychloroquine helps in some cases, because there hasn’t been a credible review.

so any news which might help trump, can’t be shared until
it is 100% credible. Any news that makes Trump look incompetent, is to be shared immediately.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zp7QoR8vMW8

In one respect it is fitting, as folks here say Trump gets no respect, no respect at all.

On the other hand Trump would not drop his anchor on one of his constituents, because as Jim likes to say, it is all about the Judges..... :walk:

I did find this clip if Trump talking about his marriage though...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUnlMULbFUQ

New research indicates

So I guess all those people with TDS can stop claiming that Trump's closing down some travel from China prevented more deaths.
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The stupid hydroxychloroquine argument
CFR (case fatality rate) for Covid-19 is not determined yet but is believed to be between 1 and 4%.
Heart disease in some form is present in close to 50% of adult americans. Who among us doesn't know a seemingly healthy person who was killed by a heart attack?
Contradiction for hydroxychloroquine is heart disease and other issues and not all cases are apparent without testing.
Give hydroxychloroquine to 1000 patients of whom between 10 and 40 would have died from Covid-19.
How many people would need to die from side effects of hydroxychloroquine combined with heart disease to raise the CFR.
Anecdotally you would never notice the difference if it doubled the death rate, it would require a study to determine that.
Overloaded hospitals don't have time or resources to do a full workup on every suspected covid patient, they are just trying to keep them all alive.
But some would take it just because Trump* said to.

A doctor has to prescribe off label medicine. Generally, it would be your primary physician who would know of any contraindications. A doctor probably wouldn't prescribe it if the patient would likely be killed by the scrip. Unless, of course, the patient is about to die anyway, in which case if the patient agreed they could give it a try. Those without serious underlying heart conditions should not suffer life threatening reactions from hydroxychloroquine .

Pence Blocks Fauci, Birx from Appearing on CNN after Network Stops Airing Full White House Coronavirus Briefings

Here we go... CNN not showing the all of the dear leaders 2.5 hr mini rallies , is getting punished ....

I am interested on how this gets supported by anyone

AG Barr: Media Have Been on a ‘Jihad’ to Discredit Hydroxychloroquine


Guess his job is to defend Trump

right probably nobody would have contracted it and/or died...like the rest of the world...good grief...

What a juvenile response, not one person on this forum, on any of the left leaning media news outlets, or any state governor has even suggested that is the case, grow up.

Who is worried Bitchslappedboy?

We have the greatest president of our lifetime steering the ship back towards prosperity . Consider yourself one of the fortunate. We live in the greatest country in the world.👌
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Just to fing bad for those that died that maybe might not have contracted it, this administrations moto is the means justify the end.

A doctor has to prescribe off label medicine. Generally, it would be your primary physician who would know of any contraindications. A doctor probably wouldn't prescribe it if the patient would likely be killed by the scrip. Unless, of course, the patient is about to die anyway, in which case if the patient agreed they could give it a try. Those without serious underlying heart conditions should not suffer life threatening reactions from hydroxychloroquine .

Your premise misses the fact that a considerable percentage of Americans do not have a primary care physician and that the population most affected by Covid-19 is the least likely to have any form of healthcare other than the emergency room. Communications with people other than the patient has also been greatly reduced during this emergency.
Hydroxychloroquine also seems to only be effective if given early in the course of treatment, not as a last resort.
Sorry no miracle there.
But feel free to be a test puppy.

Just to fing bad for those that died that maybe might not have contracted it, this administrations moto is the means justify the end.

I think you meant mojo
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Just to fing bad for those that died that maybe might not have contracted it, this administrations moto is the means justify the end.

genius...then you need to give him credit for the 2-4 million that haven't died so far too

Your premise misses the fact that a considerable percentage of Americans do not have a primary care physician

Nope, didn't miss it. It's not relevant to what I said--"A doctor has to prescribe" it. Can't get it without a doctor's prescription.

and that the population most affected by Covid-19 is the least likely to have any form of healthcare other than the emergency room.

Far as I know, emergency rooms require doctors.

Communications with people other than the patient has also been greatly reduced during this emergency.

Guess some patients are out of luck. They may not have a heart condition, but if they can't tell the docs that, then they won't get the med.

Hydroxychloroquine also seems to only be effective if given early in the course of treatment, not as a last resort.

Key words in your quote="seems to be . . . effective". It also "seems" to have helped some in later course.

Sorry no miracle there.

No more of a "miracle" than social distancing.

But feel free to be a test puppy.

Feel free not to take it, and to tell all your friends, relatives, and acquaintances not to take it.

Wow an attack on experts


What experts?

Trump is right a lot more than Fauci and Birx are.

If he had been wrong about any tiny detail by a factor of 10, the Fake Media would be playing the videos non-stop from now until Nov 3.

The ONLY person who has saved any lives in this mess is the President. The "experts" will end up causing tens of thousands of deaths from suicide, drug addiction, child abuse, and stress.

Dr. Fauci on CNN’s Tapper Show: Earlier Mitigation Could Have Saved Lives


Now the Trump faithful at it again


Faucii is an idiot or he is a dishonest hack trying to undermine the president. Either way he needs to go.

Dr. Fauci on CNN’s Tapper Show: Earlier Mitigation Could Have Saved Lives


Now the Trump faithful at it again


Faucii is an idiot or he is a dishonest hack trying to undermine the president. Either way he needs to go.

Earlier a lot of things could have saved lives. Earlier alert from China. Earlier alert from WHO which bowed to China's wishes. Fauci admitted that it was more complicated than making an earlier decision. As well, things could be worse if the ultimate decision was not made at the time it was. Good luck with the need to have the perfect decision at the perfect time.

Earlier a lot of things could have saved lives. .

if trump had ordered us all not to leave our homes back in november when he found out about this and ordered every american to be tested on a weekly basis ...he probably could have gotten out in front of this