https://www.npr.org/2020/04/10/830348837/covid-19-patients-given-unproven-drug-in-texas-nursing-home-garnering-criticism


He acknowledged that some families were not aware their relatives were put on the drug, saying that "for the most part" he consulted with each nursing home resident prior to giving them on the tablets.

While the "overwhelming majority of them are awake and alert and can actually have a conversation," Armstrong said some suffer from middle stages of dementia. In some cases, he did not discuss with anyone at all before prescribing the tablets.
So their guinea pigs

I have no issues if people are willing take this medication. But read the storie and how friends in high places grease the wheels

There is no proof that any drug can cure or prevent infection with the coronavirus. Even this med

For Trump to say everything is fake news and yet promote this as legit is odd and not sure who's pouring this honey in his ear?

What does the article have to do with Republicans?
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What does the article have to do with Republicans?
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Read it

Read it

He works in one line sentences, your asking a lot, but he can tell you who the greatest president of our lifetime is; of that much I’m sure. Trump is always boasting about the biggest, the grandest, the smartest, he loves the big numbers. Well today he got the most deaths by any country, with over 500,000 cases and we haven’t even come close to testing enough and this is far from over. Thanks Donald for getting out in front of this and for getting the narrative responsible from the start.

In 2005 George W Bush stated “If we wait for a pandemic to appear, it will be to late to prepare.”

Either we have the highest fatality rate or we have done close to half as much testing as anyone else.
I suspect our testing has been limited because of this administration’s failure to pay attention to details and inability to administer the bureaucracy.
We quite likely have more than a million cases, we just don’t know it.
Now MRI1 tell me again about Italy as we pass them in deceased.
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The testing is still a huge issue, experts seem to agree it’s critical to a stable recovery yet there is no national plan.
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Thank goodness we have done a great job with the spread and the forecast numbers are being beaten across the board.👍🏿

It’s times like this I am proud to be an American. 🇺🇸
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Those who forget the past are doomed to repeat it
Trumplicans conveniently forget that
The Stable Genius blithers on as usual
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azcoaFKjAtQ

If your trying to make the case that a lot of blame falls squarely on China for allowing this virus to get a foothold throughout the world by early misinformation, I think your preaching to the choir on that one.

When it became clear to the health experts, who I’m certain briefed this administration that this was going to progress in a similar way to what happened in China and other countries, Trump continued to downplay the severity of this crisis, he failed to mobilize to get out ahead at what was to come and the messaging just allowed those listening to our “leader” a comfort level to walk around and live life as usual. The result is a larger outbreak, more severe disruption of life, more loss of life and a larger impact to the economy then if we were out in front early and better prepared from the start.

Said it was impossible for China to hide what was going on for the USA because of our spy and intelligence gathering.. to counter this china fault Trump defense over his earlier in actions... 2 weeks ago , now the facts catch up ..


Intelligence report warned of coronavirus crisis as early as November::btu:

Happy Easter to our first responders.
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If your trying to make the case that a lot of blame falls squarely on China for allowing this virus to get a foothold throughout the world by early misinformation, I think your preaching to the choir on that one.

When it became clear to the health experts, who I’m certain briefed this administration that this was going to progress in a similar way to what happened in China and other countries, Trump continued to downplay the severity of this crisis, he failed to mobilize to get out ahead at what was to come and the messaging just allowed those listening to our “leader” a comfort level to walk around and live life as usual. The result is a larger outbreak, more severe disruption of life, more loss of life and a larger impact to the economy then if we were out in front early and better prepared from the start.

What was this constantly parroted but unspecified "get out in front of" meme? The medical "experts" like Fauci were "downplaying" it. China had willingly let many thousands from the infected area leave the country going to all parts of the world including the U.S. when it knew of the outbreak (way before it admitted there was one). It was most likely here and spreading before we had a chance to "get ahead of it."

And the various supplies that were supposed to be stockpiled by states and the Federal government according to the plan supposedly left behind by the Bush and Obama administrations were already depleted and not restocked by them and the states and cities (such as NY) before Trump was elected. It was a decent plan, but the past administration didn't follow it as it should have and quietly left the Trump administration with shortages which it had to scramble to fill. Which it did. And, it appears, that the mobilization to restock has prevented the shortage from becoming a catastrophe in that respect.

I keep hearing about the testing that should have been done. Well, there was a whole bureaucracy in place that was supposed to be handling the "plan" which should have been up to speed and fully equipped at all levels of government. The Bureaucracy did not respond as well as the critics demanded that, instead, Trump should have. So the administration gets the blame, warranted or not.

Critics point to South Korea and Taiwan as examples of how it should have been done stat. Well, their bureaucracies, being right next door to the communist beast, and having gone through the previous infections spread by that beast, were not as off-guard as the rest of the world. Nor were they as unwieldly as is the American many tiered one. Taiwan's population is only approximately double that of NY city. Yet NY was totally unprepared and understocked, even though there was the national plan in place that said it should have been.

It is obvious that the critics are mostly the same that have been trying to remove Trump since he was elected. It is obvious that they have been using this crisis as the latest attempt to get rid of him.

The narrative created by these critics is so pointedly crafted that it sometimes trips on itself. Such as attempting to make Trump out to be a dummy by his touting the chloroquine drug, yet pointing how prescient and good was South Korea's response, overlooking that SK touts that drug and is part of its recommended protocol.

Trump attacks and dismisses:
1. reporters
2. inspectors general
3. intelligence officials
4. federal law enforcement
5. judges
6. scientists

What do they all have in common? Their job is to tell the truth.
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It's all a plot to take down Trump*

The National Security Council office responsible for tracking pandemics received intelligence reports in early January predicting the spread of the virus to the United States, and within weeks was raising options like keeping Americans home from work and shutting down cities the size of Chicago. Mr. Trump would avoid such steps until March.

Despite Mr. Trump’s denial weeks later, he was told at the time about a Jan. 29 memo produced by his trade adviser, Peter Navarro, laying out in striking detail the potential risks of a coronavirus pandemic: as many as half a million deaths and trillions of dollars in economic losses.

The health and human services secretary, Alex M. Azar II, directly warned Mr. Trump of the possibility of a pandemic during a call on Jan. 30, the second warning he delivered to the president about the virus in two weeks. The president, who was on Air Force One while traveling for appearances in the Midwest, responded that Mr. Azar was being alarmist.

Mr. Azar publicly announced in February that the government was establishing a “surveillance” system in five American cities to measure the spread of the virus and enable experts to project the next hot spots. It was delayed for weeks.

By the last week of February, it was clear to the administration’s public health team that schools and businesses in hot spots would have to close. But in the turbulence of the Trump White House, it took three more weeks to persuade the president that failure to act quickly to control the spread of the virus would have dire consequences.

What Mr. Trump decided to do next could dramatically shape the course of the pandemic — and how many people would get sick and die.

With that in mind, the task force had gathered for a tabletop exercise — a real-time version of a full-scale war gaming of a flu pandemic the administration had run the previous year. That earlier exercise, also conducted by Mr. Kadlec and called “Crimson Contagion,” predicted 110 million infections, 7.7 million hospitalizations and 586,000 deaths following a hypothetical outbreak that started in China.

Facing the likelihood of a real pandemic, the group needed to decide when to abandon “containment” — the effort to keep the virus outside the U.S. and to isolate anyone who gets infected — and embrace “mitigation” to thwart the spread of the virus inside the country until a vaccine becomes available.

The exercise was sobering. The group — including Dr. Anthony S. Fauci of the National Institutes of Health; Dr. Robert R. Redfield of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, and Mr. Azar, who at that stage was leading the White House Task Force — concluded they would soon need to move toward aggressive social distancing, even at the risk of severe disruption to the nation’s economy and the daily lives of millions of Americans.

If Dr. Kadlec had any doubts, they were erased two days later, when he stumbled upon an email from a researcher at the Georgia Institute of Technology, who was among the group of academics, government physicians and infectious diseases doctors who had spent weeks tracking the outbreak in the Red Dawn email chain.

A 20-year-old Chinese woman had infected five relatives with the virus even though she never displayed any symptoms herself. The implication was grave — apparently healthy people could be unknowingly spreading the virus — and supported the need to move quickly to mitigation.

“Is this true?!” Dr. Kadlec wrote back to the researcher on February 23rd. “If so we have a huge whole on our screening and quarantine effort,” including a typo where he meant hole. Her response was blunt: “People are carrying the virus everywhere.”

The following day, Dr. Kadlec and the others decided to present Mr. Trump with a plan titled “Four Steps to Mitigation,” telling the president that they needed to begin preparing Americans for a step rarely taken in United States history.

But over the next several days, a presidential blowup and internal turf fights would sidetrack such a move. The focus would shift to messaging and confident predictions of success rather than publicly calling for a shift to mitigation.

Sounds like things were developing, things were being discovered, the federal bureaucracy, as bureaucracies do, finally implemented the new scheme. This is the nature of multi-layered, complicated bureaucracies which ultimately wait for some central command. Expecting such a central command and control to immediately react to various suggestions, some of which conflict with others, to immediately hop on the supposedly correct one, is susceptible to Monday morning quarterbacking. Which can be used as opposition finger pointing attacks in order to gain power. A power which has, in itself, led to further and often worse "missteps" or outright malfeasance.

To claim to immediately know what exactly was the "right" thing to do is claiming some godlike power of foresight. Eventually getting it right is about the best we can hope for. Different localities, states, cities, did not have to wait for a central directive. Not in a truly federated system of government. What we have been evolving into is a unitary state which ultimately depends on the decision of one person. Blaming Trump is a symptom of how far we have gone down that dangerous path.

yet there is no national plan.
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and yet we are doing better than the models predicted.
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What does the article have to do with Republicans?
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a fair question. rather than answering, you get insulted. not one of them can admit they’re wrong. not on anything.
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a fair question. rather than answering, you get insulted. not one of them can admit they’re wrong. not on anything.
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seems you didnt read it .... shocking

so ill spoon feed you

some of the nation's most respected health officials have said there is insufficient evidence showing that the 80-year-old drug, is a viable treatment in battling the new virus.


Yet President Trump has been an enthusiastic champion of hydroxychloroquine, calling it a "game-changer."


That's when his political connections proved useful.

Armstrong, who is a prominent GOP activist, called Republican Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick. He says Patrick reached out to Texas state Sen. Bryan Hughes, also a Republican, who knew someone on the board of the New Jersey-based company Amneal Pharmaceuticals. The company, which makes and distributes the drug, has donated more than a million tablets nationwide, including to the states of Texas and Louisiana.

Two days later, Armstrong had received more than enough medication to begin giving it to patients.

and yet we are doing better than the models predicted.
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due to social distancing or do you suggest other factors ?

and yet we are doing better than the models predicted.
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That has little to do with a national strategy, it’s mostly because people have followed orders from their state governments.
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That has little to do with a national strategy, it’s mostly because people have followed orders from their state governments.
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I stated this like last week or so ...Trump supporters were going to 1 say Trump saved us because Many more could have died

or 2 Trump saved more lives than the experts predicted

and social distance or experts will play no role in the out come..

seems you didnt read it .... shocking

so ill spoon feed you

some of the nation's most respected health officials have said there is insufficient evidence showing that the 80-year-old drug, is a viable treatment in battling the new virus.


Yet President Trump has been an enthusiastic champion of hydroxychloroquine, calling it a "game-changer."


That's when his political connections proved useful.

Armstrong, who is a prominent GOP activist, called Republican Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick. He says Patrick reached out to Texas state Sen. Bryan Hughes, also a Republican, who knew someone on the board of the New Jersey-based company Amneal Pharmaceuticals. The company, which makes and distributes the drug, has donated more than a million tablets nationwide, including to the states of Texas and Louisiana.

Two days later, Armstrong had received more than enough medication to begin giving it to patients.

NO ONE is responding to what Trump says. They’re responding to what the many doctors have said who claim it works.

“The pathology of ideological possession.”. If trump says “ some doctors say this drug helps
in certain situations”, not only must that be false, it must also be a reckless and evil thing for him to say. despite all
the doctors who claim they’re having success with it in certain situations, with certain patients. If Trump says it's true, it has to be wrong, and it has to be sinister.
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due to social distancing or do you suggest other factors ?

yes, because as far as i know, our
mortality rates are lower than elsewhere. i also credit out healthcare system. i also believe the models were deeply flawed, because the assumptions that the models rely on, were flawed. imagine trying to model the effects of climate change, which have a larger number of variables.
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due to social distancing or do you suggest other factors ?

still not sure this is a republican issue. i saw a democrat legislator from michigan ( a black woman) on tv with her doctor. they are both convinced that hydroxychloroquine saved her life. i don’t know what republican vs democrat had to do with it, except that democrats are consumed by TDS.
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That has little to do with a national strategy, it’s mostly because people have followed orders from their state governments.
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so all the beds built by the army corps of engineers, the masks and ventilators being produced by the private sector thanks to enacting certain policies, aren’t having an effect?

but you have a point...in these cases, state and local
governments will
do more to move the needle, which is why i think they should
have more authority than the feds.
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so all the beds built by the army corps of engineers, the masks and ventilators being produced by the private sector thanks to enacting certain policies, aren’t having an effect?

but you have a point...in these cases, state and local
governments will
do more to move the needle, which is why i think they should
have more authority than the feds.
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That's called federalism. Spence is a statist of the Progressive order--one state, one central government, administered by some kind of authority such as a President, or whatever they wish to call it.

so all the beds built by the army corps of engineers, the masks and ventilators being produced by the private sector thanks to enacting certain policies, aren’t having an effect?
Not in terms of improved modeling really no.
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NO ONE is responding to what Trump says. They’re responding to what the many doctors have said who claim it works.


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Ya ok please name the doctors love to see it must be the same the right uses against climate change

This doctor used dementia patients in his experiments based on ... and covered by Trump and his state Republicans pals.


Thank you President Trump! ... #Hydroxychloroquineworks. breitbart. Comments about borris Johnson getting out of the hospital ,,, your crazy if this way of thinking is just fringe Trump supporters

Ya ok please name the doctors love to see it must be the same the right uses against climate change

This doctor used dementia patients in his experiments based on ... and covered by Trump and his state Republicans pals.


Thank you President Trump! ... #Hydroxychloroquineworks. breitbart. Comments about borris Johnson getting out of the hospital ,,, your crazy if this way of thinking is just fringe Trump supporters

are you denying that a number of doctors are saying they had success with this? are you really, seriously saying that? so god damn ignorant. i mean, you’re unaware of anything that doesn’t pint trump in a negative light.
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are you denying that a number of doctors are saying they had success with this?
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yes he is

yes he is

it’s unbelievable!
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Ya ok please name the doctors love to see it must be the same the right uses against climate change

This doctor used dementia patients in his experiments based on ... and covered by Trump and his state Republicans pals.


Thank you President Trump! ... #Hydroxychloroquineworks. breitbart. Comments about borris Johnson getting out of the hospital ,,, your crazy if this way of thinking is just fringe Trump supporters

here you go. now ask yourself, how come the places where you get you news, refuse to report this? can you think of why you’ve been hidden from this?

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2020/04/06/here-are-five-doctors-whose-patients-have-seen-recovery-with-hydroxy-chloroquine-n2566409
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Ya ok please name the doctors love to see it must be the same the right uses against climate change

This doctor used dementia patients in his experiments based on ... and covered by Trump and his state Republicans pals.


Thank you President Trump! ... #Hydroxychloroquineworks. breitbart. Comments about borris Johnson getting out of the hospital ,,, your crazy if this way of thinking is just fringe Trump supporters

a poll of 6,000 doctors worldwide, said that hydroxychloroquine was the MOST EFFECTIVE way to treat covid 19. the single
most effective way. But you cannot accept this or even process it, because trump says it’s so. he didn’t invent it, all he did was say he’s aware it works. NOPE! Can’t be true. Not if Trump says so. You don’t have TDS, no sir! How are you going to respond to this? How?

https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/apr/2/hydroxychloroquine-rated-most-effective-therapy-do/
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“i watched cnn every day last week and they didn’t say chloroquine is working, so trump must be making it all up.”

that’s just ingenious, flawless logic. foxnews is
making up every positive story about the drug.
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wayne, another.

https://therightscoop.com/watch-ny-doctor-says-his-hospital-already-using-chloroquine-for-coronavirus-patients-and-have-had-zero-deaths/
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wayne, another.

https://techstartups.com/2020/03/22/doctors-are-successfully-using-hydroxychloroquine-to-treat-coronavirus-patients-in-the-u-s-dr-william-grace-says/
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wayne, another.

https://denver.cbslocal.com/2020/04/06/denver-doctor-coronavirus-hydroxycholoroquine/
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I’ve been talking to my daughter about this, she was telling me that the reason this drug is working for treatment is because of its immune-regulating properties. A lot of people are dying because their own immune systems are raging out of control and start attacking healthy cells. Administering this drug at the right time help to regulate it. The right time is key, as they do have to let the body’s immune system do it’s job against the virus.

I tend to listen to her as she works at the University of Maryland Medical Center and studies viruses.
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I’ve been talking to my daughter about this, she was telling me that the reason this drug is working for treatment is because of its immune-regulating properties. A lot of people are dying because their own immune systems are raging out of control and start attacking healthy cells. Administering this drug at the right time help to regulate it. The right time is key, as they do have to let the body’s immune system do it’s job against the virus.

I tend to listen to her as she works at the University of Maryland Medical Center and studies viruses.
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she sounds like a wacky Trumplican to me!
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wayne, another.

i’ll stop, i could go all day. And no, I don’t think Trump is a doctor. You are the one wallowing in ignorance on this issue. you would
do well to ask yourself why your sources kept all this from you. it was intentional, there was a specific reason why you had no
idea that actual doctors, in some cases, had some success with this drug. Can you guess?

https://www.independentsentinel.com/dr-grace-explains-why-hydroxychloroquines-success-is-real/
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here you go. now ask yourself, how come the places where you get you news, refuse to report this? can you think of why you’ve been hidden from this?

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2020/04/06/here-are-five-doctors-whose-patients-have-seen-recovery-with-hydroxy-chloroquine-n2566409
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Once again, follow the links and read the actual study Jim, it doesn’t provide any evidence it’s an effective drug, just that some doctors mostly in Spain and Italy believe it’s better than other options. The other anecdotes cited assuming they’re even real have no control group, it’s best case just an anecdote, that’s not how medical guidelines are created. I’ve seen other anecdotes where there’s no benefit observed at all, just side effects.
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Once again, follow the links and read the actual study Jim, it doesn’t provide any evidence it’s an effective drug, just that some doctors mostly in Spain and Italy believe it’s better than other options. The other anecdotes cited assuming they’re even real have no control group, it’s best case just an anecdote, that’s not how medical guidelines are created. I’ve seen other anecdotes where there’s no benefit observed at all, just side effects.
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i read every word of each link i posted.

you’re saying that rather than being the best option, it’s merely batter them the other options. because “better than other options”, to you, is different from being “the best.”

show me an article saying specifically, that the doctors i posted links to, are lying.

there hasn’t been a credible study done yet, showing that it’s effective. but obviously, the e
empirical evidence suggests it is. only thoughtless idiots who can never concede that trump could ever be right about anything ( fit and wayne are obviously in that group) question this.

pathetic that liberals would
deliberately misinform on something this important.

read the link about the democrat lawmaker from MI. and post a link from someone on your
side, explaining why she’s wrong.

You are possessed by, and are a slave to, your liberalism. every single person here knows where you stand on every single
issue, before you say a word.
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she sounds like a wacky Trumplican to me!
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This is basically what she was telling me. Shows some promise.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/01/health/coronavirus-cytokine-storm-immune-system.html
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This is basically what she was telling me. Shows some promise.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/01/health/coronavirus-cytokine-storm-immune-system.html
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how can it show promise? Trump
said it shows promise, therefore it must be the single
worst thing to do in response to the virus.
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Wayne still hiding?
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JIM I would say I am shocked by your sources. But I am not. When your articles end with

It's working, which is why President Trump is touting its use.

Your sources are just wa
Hat I suggested the are Doctors giving out a medication, and concluding this is the reason they got better,,,,


But please the CDC the FDA are in bed will the media to keep this life saving drug away from Americans and to discredit Trump..

Your delusional... :btu:

JIM did trump get his. hydroxychloroquine. Info from tweeter?


Mr. Trump reposted a Twitter message that said “Time to #FireFauci” as he rejected criticism of his slow initial response to the pandemic that has now killed more than 22,000 people in the United States. The president privately has been irritated at times with Dr. Fauci, but the Twitter post was the most explicit he has been in letting that show publicly.


And you're the ignorant one in this conversation your suggesting that criticisms of trump and and the use hydroxychloroquine are some how against Trump

Myself nor any news I've seen or read have not been hopeful of the possibility that hydroxychloroquine may be a viable drug , so has Fuci

Seeing you confuse anecdotal and Facts or study or clinical trial

anecdotal evidence noun

Definition of anecdotal evidence
: evidence in the form of stories that people tell about what has happened to them
His conclusions are not supported by data; they are based only on anecdotal evidence.

wayne, another.

i’ll stop, i could go all day. And no, I don’t think Trump is a doctor. You are the one wallowing in ignorance on this issue. you would
do well to ask yourself why your sources kept all this from you. it was intentional, there was a specific reason why you had no
idea that actual doctors, in some cases, had some success with this drug. Can you guess?

https://www.independentsentinel.com/dr-grace-explains-why-hydroxychloroquines-success-is-real/
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So an oncologist is treating a 100 patients with Covid 19 with hydroxychloroquine

Not sure I would go to my oncologists and I have one , if I thought I had Covid 19
Just saying ,, and Laura Ingraham would never have anyone on here show who wouldn't support her vision

There..represents a place
Their..indicates possession
They’re... takes place of they are
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and Laura Ingraham would never have anyone on here show who wouldn't support her vision
She’s a truth whisperer. Jim is woke.
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JIM I would say I am shocked by your sources. But I am not. When your articles end with

It's working, which is why President Trump is touting its use.

Your sources are just wa
Hat I suggested the are Doctors giving out a medication, and concluding this is the reason they got better,,,,


But please the CDC the FDA are in bed will the media to keep this life saving drug away from Americans and to discredit Trump..

Your delusional... :btu:

So all those stories are just made up? THAT'S what you're saying.

Mind boggling. Absolutely mind boggling.

Again, you're a slave to your ideology. You cannot consider anything that doesn't fit.

The CDC and FDA are NOT denying that it works in some cases. There just hasn't been an official study yet.

She’s a truth whisperer. Jim is woke.
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I'm not woke. But unlike you two, I'm rational.

She’s a truth whisperer. Jim is woke.
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You tried to differentiate "best option", from "an option that's better than the other available options"

Because that makes sense.

The CDC and FDA are NOT denying that it works in some cases. There just hasn't been an official study yet.
So you about you let the ongoing studies conclude before pushing a politically motivated campaign to indulge Trump’s longing for a miracle cure.

If it helps great but the last thing we need is more politics polluting science, that’s bad enough already.
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JIM I would say I am shocked by your sources. But I am not. When your articles end with

It's working, which is why President Trump is touting its use.

Your sources are just wa
Hat I suggested the are Doctors giving out a medication, and concluding this is the reason they got better,,,,


But please the CDC the FDA are in bed will the media to keep this life saving drug away from Americans and to discredit Trump..

Your delusional... :btu:

I would have liked to use your sources, but your sources won't report on this. How about the black woman who is a legislator in Michigan? You are saying that she is making her story up?

This has happened ...

My Father who is 79 not in the best health but good for his age. He tested postive for Covid 19
Over a week ago and only had mild symptoms . Thankfully.

This leads me to the issue of hydroxychloroquine.. and its precived success in outcomes

If he was given hydroxychloroquine( HE WAS NOT) should I have concluded this was the reason he only had mild symptoms, based on his age and the news on who is at greater risk

But if he had been given it and with all the info on who's being impacted, by covid the conclusion would have been the hydroxychloroquine saved him , and perhaps his doctor would draw the same conclusions and prescribed to others ..

when what actual happen wasHe just kicked it with no medical Treatment other hydration and tylenol. And he just stayed at home

His recovery isnt Anecdotal ... but if he was on hydroxychloroquine it would be considered anecdotal

Wayne, a local ABC News station, isn't trustworthy?

https://abc7news.com/coronavirus-drug-covid-19-malaria-hydroxychloroquine/6079864/

This has happened ...

My Father who is 79 not in the best health but good for his age. He tested postive for Covid 19
Over a week ago and only had mild symptoms . Thankfully.

This leads me to the issue of hydroxychloroquine.. and its precived success in outcomes

If he was given hydroxychloroquine( HE WAS NOT) should I have concluded this was the reason he only had mild symptoms, based on his age and the news on who is at greater risk

But if he had been given it and with all the info on who's being impacted, by covid the conclusion would have been the hydroxychloroquine saved him , and perhaps his doctor would draw the same conclusions and prescribed to others ..

when what actual happen wasHe just kicked it with no medical Treatment other hydration and tylenol. And he just stayed at home

His recovery isnt Anecdotal ... but if he was on hydroxychloroquine it would be considered anecdotal

You are so, so ignorant on this. I'm glad you aren't advising your dad (thank God his case is mild, I hope it stays that way!)

It's not for people with mild symptoms. It's mostly being reserved for people with severe symptoms, and many doctors have ghad success.

Obviously, if a person takes the drug and gets better, that doesn't necessarily mean the drug was the reason...perhaps they would have gotten better on their own.

But why are so many doctors saying that it's helping, in some cases? It's not 100% effective, nothing is. But why are so many doctors saying they are having success, with certain kinds of patients? They're all lying?

Just because you and Spence hate the fact that Trump was right about something, doesn't mean he can't ever be right bout anything.

That's all this is. If Trump said chloroquine could never help, you'd all be saying everyone should take it.

I'm no expert on medicine. I leave it to the experts. So when I hear doctor after doctor after doctor say that the drug has helped in certain cases, I have n reason to doubt them. You and Spence and CNN and MSNBC have a reason to doubt them - you hate Trump.

NO DOCTOR, not one, is denying that most who get it can recover with no medical treatment. What they are saying (and you'd know this if you'd take your fingers out of your ears), is that some very sick patients, are having success with the drug. They're not saying everyone needs the drug, they're not saying everyone is a good candidate to take the drug, they're not saying that everyone who is a good candidate will be cured with the drug. They are saying it helps.

You guys are completely out of your minds, and have turned this forum into an absolute waste, when it didn't used to be that way. It's not possible to have a rational conversation.

a poll of 6,000 doctors worldwide, said that hydroxychloroquine was the MOST EFFECTIVE way to treat covid 19. the single
most effective way. But you cannot accept this or even process it, because trump says it’s so. he didn’t invent it, all he did was say he’s aware it works. NOPE! Can’t be true. Not if Trump says so. You don’t have TDS, no sir! How are you going to respond to this? How?

https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/apr/2/hydroxychloroquine-rated-most-effective-therapy-do/
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6000 out of how many doctors in the world?.. and you suggest I cannot consider anything that doesn't fit.

Jim there are more 6000 people who think the earth's flats but if they say hydroxychloroquine works you'll support their idea the earth's flat

Just like climate find anyone and present them alternatives to everyone else. And called a fact

So an oncologist is treating a 100 patients with Covid 19 with hydroxychloroquine

Not sure I would go to my oncologists and I have one , if I thought I had Covid 19
Just saying ,, and Laura Ingraham would never have anyone on here show who wouldn't support her vision

You do understand that one of the more susceptible groups to complications from Covid-19 are those on Chemo-therapy, right?

Why wouldn't an oncologist be involved in the treatment regiment of their patients when Covid-19 is involved?
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So you about you let the ongoing studies conclude before pushing a politically motivated campaign to indulge Trump’s longing for a miracle cure.

If it helps great but the last thing we need is more politics polluting science, that’s bad enough already.
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I'm not the one bringing politics into this, the TDS idiots are. I don't even know what Trump has said about the drug, I'm listening to the doctors. Despite the title of this post, I know Trump isn't a doctor, so I don't care what he has to say on the subject, I truly don't. You are ignoring the doctors, and doing so for purely political reasons.

As always with you guys, when empirical results don't align with your politics, you ignore the results and cling to your politics. YOU are making this political. For my money, it has NOTHING to do with Trump. It's you who can't separate trump from medicine. I never injected politics into this to begin with.

Try making that wrong.

The CDC and FDA are not prohibiting doctors from using the drug to treat covid-19. Why is that? .

You do understand that one of the more susceptible groups to complications from Covid-19 are those on Chemo-therapy, right?

Why wouldn't an oncologist be involved in the treatment regiment of their patients when Covid-19 is involved?
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"You do understand that one of the more susceptible groups to complications from Covid-19 are those on Chemo-therapy, right? "

See, you just ruined his theory that only a doctor from a discipline completely unrelated to this, could agree with Trump. He's clinging to the hope that no doctor qualified to render an opinion on this, could possibly agree with Trump.

6000 out of how many doctors in the world?.. and you suggest I cannot consider anything that doesn't fit.

Jim there are more 6000 people who think the earth's flats but if they say hydroxychloroquine works you'll support their idea the earth's flat

Just like climate find anyone and present them alternatives to everyone else. And called a fact

Did you get kicked in the head at work?

You asked who the doctors are, that are saying they've had any success with it. So I provided a few links.

So you can conclude that every doctor in every link I posted, is incompetent.

"are more 6000 people who think the earth's flat"

How many of those, graduated from medical school?

You are desperately grasping at straws, and making an idiot out of yourself in the process.

Wayne, a local ABC News station, isn't trustworthy?

https://abc7news.com/coronavirus-drug-covid-19-malaria-hydroxychloroquine/6079864/

Again you missing the point. He uses it with zinc another doctor uses it something elses. Aka the need for a study


Anecdotal evidence. Ask him if he is 100% sure if this is the cause of their recovery...

Jim you ingnore the thousands who are getting released from the hospital who have been on vents or hospitalized and released

Over your. Crusade. To prove hydroxychloroquine works and Trump was right :kewl:

Did you get kicked in the head at work?

You asked who the doctors are, that are saying they've had any success with it. So I provided a few links.

So you can conclude that every doctor in every link I posted, is incompetent.

"are more 6000 people who think the earth's flat"

How many of those, graduated from medical school?

You are desperately grasping at straws, and making an idiot out of yourself in the process.

anecdotal evidence not sure why you dont understand the concept

You do understand that one of the more susceptible groups to complications from Covid-19 are those on Chemo-therapy, right?

Why wouldn't an oncologist be involved in the treatment regiment of their patients when Covid-19 is involved?
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Maybe his patients were all ready on hydroxychloroquine

https://www.cancer.gov/about-cancer/treatment/clinical-trials/intervention/hydroxychloroquine

Clinical Trials Using Hydroxychloroquine
Find a Clinical Trial
Clinical trials are research studies that involve people. The clinical trials on this list are

Again you missing the point. He uses it with zinc another doctor uses it something elses. Aka the need for a study


Anecdotal evidence. Ask him if he is 100% sure if this is the cause of their recovery...

Jim you ingnore the thousands who are getting released from the hospital who have been on vents or hospitalized and released

Over your. Crusade. To prove hydroxychloroquine works and Trump was right :kewl:

No, I'm not missing the point You are saying there's no evidence that it works. That's demonstrably false. There is all kinds of evidence that it works, you just don't like the political implication that Trump might have been right bout something.

I don't give a frogs fat azz if Trump was right or wrong. Regardless of your opinion of Trump, the drug is having some success.

Why does this have anything to do with Trump? Why does he factor into this at all? Answer - you are obsessed with him.

If Trump never said a word about this drug, you'd be agreeing with me here.

No, I'm not missing the point You are saying there's no evidence that it works. That's demonstrably false. There is all kinds of evidence that it works, you just don't like the political implication that Trump might have been right bout something.

I don't give a frogs fat azz if Trump was right or wrong. Regardless of your opinion of Trump, the drug is having some success.

Why does this have anything to do with Trump? Why does he factor into this at all? Answer - you are obsessed with him.

What is your bar in determining success 1 in a million. 2 % is it even a fact based number ,

If Trump never said a word about this drug, you'd be agreeing with me here.


What is your bar in determining success 1 in a million. 2 % is it even a fact based number ,

You still dont understand when The POTUS speaks people listen .. even if what's spoken is a lie or wishful thinking or Anecdotal this the issue with Trump ,, we still dont know who's whispering in his ear about hydroxychloroquine is it you?

Small Chloroquine Study Halted Over Risk of Fatal Heart Complications

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/12/health/chloroquine-coronavirus-trump.html

Please note an actual factual study. Conducted out of the country , so they cant be against Trump

You still dont understand when The POTUS speaks people listen .. even if what's spoken is a lie or wishful thinking or Anecdotal

Small Chloroquine Study Halted Over Risk of Fatal Heart Complications

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/12/health/chloroquine-coronavirus-trump.html

Please note an actual factual study. Conducted out of the country , so they cant be against Trump

I get that words matter from a president, I do. And if your tune here was limited to his specific language, that's one thing. But you're denying that this drug works, and you're doing it for one reason only - you are deranged with hate for one person who said it. Fine, just listen to the doctors. But you can't do that, because your hatred of Trump is more compelling than your instinct to believe a large number of doctors.

Everyone knows all about that "small study", which s why the drug isn't a good idea for everyone.

Pathetic.

Politics is all that matters, which s why the same people who said we had to believe Kavanaugh's accuser, now believe in innocence until proven guilty in the case of Biden.

Maybe his patients were all ready on hydroxychloroquine

https://www.cancer.gov/about-cancer/treatment/clinical-trials/intervention/hydroxychloroquine

Clinical Trials Using Hydroxychloroquine
Find a Clinical Trial
Clinical trials are research studies that involve people. The clinical trials on this list are

And does this make my post any less valid???
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I get that words matter from a president, I do. And if your tune here was limited to his specific language, that's one thing. But you're denying that this drug works, and you're doing it for one reason only - you are deranged with hate for one person who said it. Fine, just listen to the doctors. But you can't do that, because your hatred of Trump is more compelling than your instinct to believe a large number of doctors.

Everyone knows all about that "small study", which s why the drug isn't a good idea for everyone.

Pathetic.

Politics is all that matters, which s why the same people who said we had to believe Kavanaugh's accuser, now believe in innocence until proven guilty in the case of Biden.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0399077X20300858

Again what's your metrics for success?

What is your bar in determining success 1 in a million. 2 % is it even a fact based number ,

You still dont understand when The POTUS speaks people listen .. even if what's spoken is a lie or wishful thinking or Anecdotal this the issue with Trump ,, we still dont know who's whispering in his ear about hydroxychloroquine is it you?

Small Chloroquine Study Halted Over Risk of Fatal Heart Complications

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/12/health/chloroquine-coronavirus-trump.html

Please note an actual factual study. Conducted out of the country , so they cant be against Trump

"What is your bar in determining success 1 in a million. 2 % is it even a fact based number , "

I don't have an exact number (thought I know a hell of a lot more about this stuff than you do), but when doctor after doctor after doctor says they are having success in certain cases, I figure that's very unlikely to be a coincidence or a pro-Trump conspiracy.

"we still dont know who's whispering in his ear about hydroxychloroquine is it you?"

I think you might be disabled. Trump is just listening to the same kinds of people that I'm listening.

Why do you doubt all those doctors who say it's working? What qualifications do you have, do conclude that they're all full of BS?

Everything you said in this entire thread, is gibberish.

And does this make my post any less valid???
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It wouldn't be any less vaild.. however re watching Ingrams interview.

Never heard the guy saying he was treating anyone with hydroxychloroquine

Never mind the 100s quoted in the article

Sweden has even put out direction to stop hydroxychloroquine


I still haven't gotten a reasonable answer where is Trump getting his hydroxychloroquine information,, seeing the CDC and FDA. And some of the best hospitals in the country are not experimentally using hydroxychloroquine

Yet Trump and Fox keep pushing it?

It wouldn't be any less vaild.. however re watching Ingrams interview.

Never heard the guy saying he was treating anyone with hydroxychloroquine

Never mind the 100s quoted in the article

Sweden has even put out direction to stop hydroxychloroquine


I still haven't gotten a reasonable answer where is Trump getting his hydroxychloroquine information,, seeing the CDC and FDA. And some of the best hospitals in the country are not experimentally using hydroxychloroquine

Yet Trump and Fox keep pushing it?

But many are using it.

All you care about regarding this story, is finding stupid quotes from conservatives you hate, and fanatically fixating on that. you are ignoring a lot of experts. I keep asking why you are doing that, other than politics.

The FDA has authorized its use to treat COVID-19.

https://bgr.com/2020/04/09/coronavirus-usa-cdc-fixes-hydroxychloroquine-covid-19-info/

"What is your bar in determining success 1 in a million. 2 % is it even a fact based number , "

I don't have an exact number (thought I know a hell of a lot more about this stuff than you do), but when doctor after doctor after doctor says they are having success in certain cases, I figure that's very unlikely to be a coincidence or a pro-Trump conspiracy.

"we still dont know who's whispering in his ear about hydroxychloroquine is it you?"

I think you might be disabled. Trump is just listening to the same kinds of people that I'm listening.

Why do you doubt all those doctors who say it's working? What qualifications do you have, do conclude that they're all full of BS?

Everything you said in this entire thread, is gibberish.


You are so lost in your own genius and alternative universe..

You keep pounding a round peg in a square hole.. upset at people telling you it wont fit

I personaly doubt most ideas and suggestions that are not based on a solid foundation and only supported by anodotal evidence. Sorry I know that word hurts
your head

Again if your willing for or your family to take hydroxychloroquine. Seeing you know a hell of a lot more. Your free to do so...

I would take if if it was shown effective. Via testing But that hasn't happen ,

And your spreading miss information by suggesting hydroxychloroquine is only beeing used on very sick people. Refer back to the original story in the texas and the nursing home

You are so lost in your own genius and alternative universe..

You keep pounding a round peg in a square hole.. upset at people telling you it wont fit

I personaly doubt most ideas and suggestions that are not based on a solid foundation and only supported by anodotal evidence. Sorry I know that word hurts
your head

Again if your willing for or your family to take hydroxychloroquine. Seeing you know a hell of a lot more. Your free to do so...

I would take if if it was shown effective. Via testing But that hasn't happen ,

And your spreading miss information by suggesting hydroxychloroquine is only beeing used on very sick people. Refer back to the original story in the texas and the nursing home

What did I post that you could possibly interpret as my touting my own genius? I said ten times, I'm confident listening to the actual geniuses (doctors) tons of whom are saying that in certain situations, the drug works.

I'm no genius. But unlike you, I am capable of processing facts which don't support my ideology.

"I personaly doubt most ideas and suggestions that are not based on a solid foundation and only supported by anodotal evidence. Sorry I know that word hurts"

What "word" are you saying hurts? You rattled off a sentence there, not just one word.

Whew. You can have the last word, this is an utter waste as always. Hope your dads case stays very mild.

What "word" are you saying hurts? You rattled off a sentence there, not just one word.


The one he spelled wrong :rolleyes:
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What "word" are you saying hurts?

Maybe it's one of the words in his accusing you of "spreading miss information"? It might hurt her. Or, maybe, she might like it.

miss congeniality....meet miss information

Further information emerges from real doctors

CONCLUSIONS:
In this study, we found no evidence that use of hydroxychloroquine, either with or without
azithromycin, reduced the risk of mechanical ventilation in patients hospitalized with Covid-19.
An association of increased overall mortality was identified in patients treated with
hydroxychloroquine alone. These findings highlight the importance of awaiting the results of
ongoing prospective, randomized, controlled studies before widespread adoption of these drugs.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.16.20065920v1.full.pdf

I wonder why they use it in other countries. 🤡
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I wonder why they use it in other countries. 🤡
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and in this country.
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Further information emerges from real doctors

CONCLUSIONS:
In this study, we found no evidence that use of hydroxychloroquine, either with or without
azithromycin, reduced the risk of mechanical ventilation in patients hospitalized with Covid-19.
An association of increased overall mortality was identified in patients treated with
hydroxychloroquine alone. These findings highlight the importance of awaiting the results of
ongoing prospective, randomized, controlled studies before widespread adoption of these drugs.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.16.20065920v1.full.pdf

"Take it, what do you have to lose"

Other than a heart attack.
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Tucker Carlson who had a host claim to be someone he wasn't and proclaiming hydroquinone 100% success rate in s study and he was a stanford medical advisor . who stanford never heard of and the study omitted from the study 2 sent to ICU and one who died ... even Tucker questioned the 100% part.. maybe that where Trump got it

Hell Rush said its called covid 19 because its the 19th corona virus
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Rita Wilson (Mrs Tom Hanks)used it in her recovery efforts in Australia.
The left loves to portray it in a certain light because Trump had publicly expressed hope ( they hate the thought) and optimism as he tends to do.
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Rita Wilson (Mrs Tom Hanks)used it in her recovery efforts in Australia.
The left loves to portray it in a certain light because Trump had publicly expressed hope ( they hate the thought) and optimism as he tends to do.
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And some people swear wd40 helps to catch fish ...

Again. anecdotal evidence, my understanding they were never in hospital,

Hydroxychloroquine as treatment for COVID-19 shows no benefit and more deaths in VA study

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/hydroxychloroquine-treatment-for-covid-19-shows-no-benefit-and-more-deaths-in-va-study-2020-04-21

Still waiting on a peer review
Seems. Trump and his base wish hydroxychloroquine would work not to save lives but so Trump can save Face ..

AS they the right continues there attack on experts :btu:

And some people swear wd40 helps to catch fish ...

Again. anecdotal evidence, my understanding they were never in hospital,

Hydroxychloroquine as treatment for COVID-19 shows no benefit and more deaths in VA study

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/hydroxychloroquine-treatment-for-covid-19-shows-no-benefit-and-more-deaths-in-va-study-2020-04-21

Still waiting on a peer review
Seems. Trump and his base wish hydroxychloroquine would work not to save lives but so Trump can save Face ..

AS they the right continues there attack on experts :btu:

Perhaps the Australian doctors are part of Trump’s base.😂
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Perhaps the Australian doctors are part of Trump’s base.😂
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Lets hope the base doesn't read this


Can COVID-19 Be Spread Through Farts? These Australian Doctors Suggest So.

https://ourcommunitynow.com/news-world/can-covid-19-be-spread-through-farts-these-australian-doctors-suggest-so
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Can you say field day?
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Can you say field day?
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Silent but deadly, takes on a whole new meaning ...

If Biden wins in November and we haven't cured coronavirus, Trumplicans will magically rediscover the sanctity of every single life in America.

America 1 st
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TRUMPS administration fires the director of vaccines. For not supporting Trumps calls to indorse hydroquinone..

Amazing at what lengths to defend the dear leader
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TRUMPS administration fires the director of vaccines. For not supporting Trumps calls to indorse hydroquinone..

Amazing at what lengths to defend the dear leader
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Hydroquinone is a depigmenting agent used to lighten areas of darkened skin such as freckles, age spots, chloasma, and melisma caused by pregnancy, birth control pills, hormone medicine, or injury to the skin. Hydroquinone decreases the formation of melanin in the skin.

curious....clearly need an investigation

This is shocking knews.
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Hydroquinone is a depigmenting agent used to lighten areas of darkened skin such as freckles, age spots, chloasma, and melisma caused by pregnancy, birth control pills, hormone medicine, or injury to the skin. Hydroquinone decreases the formation of melanin in the skin.

curious....clearly need an investigation

Does being so petty make you feel better about yourself?
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Does being so petty make you feel better about yourself?
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ask the pharmacist

Hydroquinone is a depigmenting agent used to lighten areas of darkened skin such as freckles, age spots, chloasma, and melisma caused by pregnancy, birth control pills, hormone medicine, or injury to the skin. Hydroquinone decreases the formation of melanin in the skin.

curious....clearly need an investigation

It’s never too late to educate.👍🏿
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It’s never too late to educate.👍🏿
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Or I guess you could say you can never be petty enough
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Or I guess you could say you can never be petty enough
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Of course you can dismiss it as such. Either Or NBD
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Or I guess you could say you can never be petty enough
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it would be sad if some democrat voters saw wayne's post and ingested Hydroquinone thinking it might protect them from the virus because trump endorsed it....wouldn't be the first time this sort of thing has happened :gu:

it would be sad if some democrat voters saw wayne's post and ingested Hydroquinone thinking it might protect them from the virus because trump endorsed it....wouldn't be the first time this sort of thing has happened :gu:

Since the Dems. are more highly educated, that would be doubtful.

Since the Dems. are more highly educated, that would be doubtful.

ok

"The Arizona woman who said she and her husband drank fish-tank cleaner to ward off coronavirus has donated heavily to Democrats and acknowledges she's not a President Trump supporter. According to Federal Election Commission records, over the past few years, Wanda has also donated to Hillary Clinton, the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee".


probably never happen among the more highly educated types....

ok

"The Arizona woman who said she and her husband drank fish-tank cleaner to ward off coronavirus has donated heavily to Democrats and acknowledges she's not a President Trump supporter. According to Federal Election Commission records, over the past few years, Wanda has also donated to Hillary Clinton, the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee".


probably never happen among the more highly educated types....

So one time. Sort of like how often you post something that isn't petty or snarky.

I watched Laura Ingraham last night as I haven't watched her in about 2 weeks. She was always big on touting this miracle drug. Last night not one word while I had it on.

Since the Dems. are more highly educated, that would be doubtful.

Define "Educated"?

When the transmission on you car is all banged up and you're discussing what to do with your mechanic, who's the Educated one in the room.
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Define "Educated"?

When the transmission on you car is all banged up and you're discussing what to do with your mechanic, who's the Educated one in the room.
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Kind of like the teacher at my son’s school who had no idea how to jump his battery. He missed that class.🤡
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I watched Laura Ingraham last night as I haven't watched her in about 2 weeks. She was always big on touting this miracle drug. Last night not one word while I had it on.

Some good,hard research there. You are well on the way towards a doctorate.
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ok

"The Arizona woman who said she and her husband drank fish-tank cleaner to ward off coronavirus has donated heavily to Democrats and acknowledges she's not a President Trump supporter. According to Federal Election Commission records, over the past few years, Wanda has also donated to Hillary Clinton, the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee".


probably never happen among the more highly educated types....

Please list all the Republicans who had the same response.
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Please list all the Republicans who had the same response.
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you'd think "the base" would be chugging that stuff like Kewl-Ayd

Some good,hard research there. You are well on the way towards a doctorate.
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at least Laura had Paul and Wayne watching her show

Some good,hard research there. You are well on the way towards a doctorate.
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I do have credits I could apply.

For you I don't think HS courses count.

I do have credits I could apply.

For you I don't think HS courses count.

You are in luck
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