From the WaPo

More than a dozen U.S. researchers, physicians and public health experts, many of them from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, were working full time at the Geneva headquarters of the World Health Organization as the novel coronavirus emerged late last year and transmitted real-time information about its discovery and spread in China to the Trump administration, according to U.S. and international officials.

A number of CDC staff members are regularly detailed to work at the WHO in Geneva as part of a rotation that has operated for years. Senior Trump-appointed health officials also consulted regularly at the highest levels with the WHO as the crisis unfolded, the officials said.

The presence of so many U.S. officials undercuts President Trump’s assertion that the WHO’s failure to communicate the extent of the threat, born of a desire to protect China, is largely responsible for the rapid spread of the virus in the United States.

Isn’t that something
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Isn’t that something
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It is something.
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From the WaPo

More than a dozen U.S. researchers, physicians and public health experts, many of them from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, were working full time at the Geneva headquarters of the World Health Organization as the novel coronavirus emerged late last year and transmitted real-time information about its discovery and spread in China to the Trump administration, according to U.S. and international officials.

A number of CDC staff members are regularly detailed to work at the WHO in Geneva as part of a rotation that has operated for years. Senior Trump-appointed health officials also consulted regularly at the highest levels with the WHO as the crisis unfolded, the officials said.

The presence of so many U.S. officials undercuts President Trump’s assertion that the WHO’s failure to communicate the extent of the threat, born of a desire to protect China, is largely responsible for the rapid spread of the virus in the United States.

Did the WHO communicate the extent of the threat differently than the head of WHO did at the time Trump refers to? The head of the WHO was parroting China's version at that time that there was no evidence of human to human transmission and that the travel ban was not necessary, that it was alarmist and racist. The message was not one of urgency, but that the coronavirus was no more dangerous than the flu.

And the CDC, which requested it, was not allowed by China to go there and help to find out what exactly was happening.

Pete likes certain timelines. Doubt that he'll like this one provided by the Hudson Institute. It shows China's duplicity in covering up its culpability in spreading the virus and The WHO's complicity in covering up for China. It's long, covering the period from mid November to mid April, listing about 80 dates involving significant information in each.

It substantiates what I said in the above post and shows how China along with its running mate WHO covered up what the rest of the world needed to know to stop the virus early on, thus being the real culprits in the spread of Covid-19 to the rest of the world.

Please read it. It's an easy bullet point layout so you don't have to read excessive verbiage and doesn't take much time or effort to get through. It's VERY enlightening.

https://www.hudson.org/research/15920-coronavirus-timeline

Please read it. It's an easy bullet point layout so you don't have to read excessive verbiage and doesn't take much time or effort to get through. It's VERY enlightening.

https://www.hudson.org/research/15920-coronavirus-timeline

They dumbed it down for the trump-tards and mental midgets who lack reading comprehension.
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Who did the Trump* administration appoint to the executive board of the WHO?
And why did Art of the Deal Trump* not pressure his good friend Xi for access?
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They dumbed it down for the trump-tards and mental midgets who lack reading comprehension.
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So did you comprehend it?

It is something.
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Yippee
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Who did the Trump* administration appoint to the executive board of the WHO?

And why did Art of the Deal Trump* not pressure his good friend Xi for access?

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Too hard a question?
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Ask yourself again, Bitchslappedboy.
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So did you comprehend it?

I didn’t read it. Much like 94% of your posts.
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I didn’t read it. Much like 94% of your posts.
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Actually, this must be a pretty good thread--it sucked you in. And it even got you to read two of my posts in this thread alone--and respond to them. That's got to be your 6% quota for a while.

seems this has been lost in the daily Trump rally

President Trump has removed the head of a group charged with overseeing the $2 trillion coronavirus package passed by Congress last month.

Fine has worked under both Republican and Democratic administrations, serving for more than a decade as the inspector general at the Department of Justice. He joined the Department of Defense's Office of Inspector General in 2015.

well see how long the new guy last or why the old guy was let go?

seems this has been lost in the daily Trump rally

President Trump has removed the head of a group charged with overseeing the $2 trillion coronavirus package passed by Congress last month.

Fine has worked under both Republican and Democratic administrations, serving for more than a decade as the inspector general at the Department of Justice. He joined the Department of Defense's Office of Inspector General in 2015.

well see how long the new guy last or why the old guy was let go?
The old guy was probably given the boot because he wasn’t a boot licker
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Ask yourself again, Bitchslappedboy.
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You’re sure you want to play this game
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What is a liberal fool?

Exhibit A: Bitchslappedboy asking questions that get zero interest and then quoting the rhetorical bs he thinks is too challenging for anybody with enough common sense to show no interest.
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Then why don't you debate him like an adult. It should be fun to watch
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Revenge is a dish best served cold.
It will come, I asked if he was sure.
Apparently he is.
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Then why don't you debate him like an adult. It should be fun to watch
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It couldn’t possibly be more fun than I have here on a daily basis.
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Revenge is a dish best served cold.
It will come, I asked if he was sure.
Apparently he is.
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Revenge implies you have been offended or scorned.
My sincere apologies Bitchslappedboy.
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You’re sure you want to play this game
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This is NOT a question Bitchslappedboy.
Liberal fool
Intellectual midge
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OK, Genius
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Careful when arguing with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience every time.
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OK, Genius
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It doesn’t take genius to figure out you have no clue what comprises a question. You simply lack common sense.,
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Careful when arguing with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience every time.
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Back in the fray?
I won’t tell Bart.
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Back in the fray?
I won’t tell Bart.
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Nope. I’m being careful :rotfl:
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Remember this thread from March

Something appears to have delayed the White House press briefing today

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-I5dcEK_wg

Remember this thread from March

Something appears to have delayed the White House press briefing today

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-I5dcEK_wg

Old news. Everybody knows that Trump downplayed it, just as did the Dems and the press and the medical experts on our coronavirus response team, including Fauci and Birx. There was an admitted attempt to prevent a panic, while, in actuality, all was being done to try to keep the effects of the virus contained as much as possible.

Fauci has publicly stated he couldn't imagine seeing anyone doing more than the coronavirus response team that Trump created. And that, during those months, Trump did everything that Fauci asked him, .

Old news. Everybody knows that Trump downplayed it, just as did the Dems and the press and the medical experts on our coronavirus response team, including Fauci and Birx. There was an admitted attempt to prevent a panic, while, in actuality, all was being done to try to keep the effects of the virus contained as much as possible.

Fauci has publicly stated he couldn't imagine seeing anyone doing more than the coronavirus response team that Trump created. And that, during those months, Trump did everything that Fauci asked him, .

“I take no responsibility at all”

He really could shoot someone on Fifth Avenue and you would rationalize it
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“I take no responsibility at all”

You know that he said that regarding the failure of the CDC to produce a new test for the virus. And the FDA procedures that required that rather than using the WHO test already available. It took the Trump administration to overcome FDA regs in order to speed up the process of allowing private research companies to help in production of viable tests.

But you keep repeating the quote as if Trump took no responsibility at all in responding to the virus. Obviously, he took on a lot of responsibility. Of course, you must paint even that as a failure.
But you know you're falsely using the quote to frame Trump as the boogie man, the orange man bad nonsense. And, like the good propagandist, you will keep doing it. Did he, as you keep repeating, say that NAZIs are very fine people?

He really could shoot someone on Fifth Avenue and you would rationalize it


No. I would wait for the evidence. No doubt . . . actually . . . NO DOUBT . . . you would not wait, but immediately proclaim him to be a murderer.

No. I would wait for the evidence. No doubt . . . actually . . . NO DOUBT . . . you would not wait, but immediately proclaim him to be a murderer.

He’s on tape
You can listen to him on February 7th say it kills 5%, is way worse than the flu and is transmitted through the air.
He had indoor rallies after that, denied it existed or would just go away.
He made a conscious choice to tell the American people otherwise, attack people who tried to warn.
He’s responsible for 80% of the COVID-19 deaths resulting from his lying
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No. I would wait for the evidence. No doubt . . . actually . . . NO DOUBT . . . you would not wait, but immediately proclaim him to be a murderer.

“Murphy refused to modify intelligence assessments so that they more closely aligned with Trump's rhetoric about Antifa and other groups, telling Wolf and Cuccinelli that he would only report accurate information as collected by DHS.”
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He’s on tape
You can listen to him on February 7th say it kills 5%, is way worse than the flu and is transmitted through the air.
He had indoor rallies after that, denied it existed or would just go away.
He made a conscious choice to tell the American people otherwise, attack people who tried to warn.
He’s responsible for 80% of the COVID-19 deaths resulting from his lying
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Did Trump know more about it than Fauci and the WHO? They, as well as, here we go again, as well as the Press, the media, the Dems, who also played it down. Did Trumps response team not perform as well as Fauci said they did. Playing it down verbally while doing the best medically and on the ground can go hand in hand, the first avoiding a panic, the second actually doing what is necessary to fight the virus.

China is responsible for 100% of the COVID-19 deaths.

Now we know Trump wanted to "play it down" when he heard the Coronavirus spread through the air and could kill upwards of 5% of people.

So he thought (wrongly) that 5% of people-- including "not just old people" would die from COVID. And what he decided to do about it?
"Play it down," Trump said of the virus.

So he decided to lie. And he decided to cover up that lie by publicly attacking anyone who disagreed. The CDC, HHS, Anthony Fauci.
I know we are used to lies. I know we are used to d#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&g responsibility. I know we are used to incompetence, but something struck me as soon as I heard this.

His excuse: "I didn't want to panic people."

When you have a novel pandemic, before there is a vaccine, the only medicine there is is public reaction.

With a disease that spreads through the respiratory system, not telling them they could avoid catching the disease by taking simple precautions is psychopathic.
The man is a pyromaniac. He knew an invisible fire was coming here and he let the fire rage.

And the people around him knew he knew. And they too did nothing.
Its not like he had a plan for dealing with it while he denied something he knew. He let the fire rage all the time telling us it would be gone by April. 15 cases would become zero.

It spread through the air, but was "going to zero?" It killed people but was "like the flu?"
Trump's defenders like to say "It wouldn't have been any different under Obama." It would have been different under anyone but a madman.
Imagine a world under which the president holds a press conference in the first week in February. He tells people the virus is coming here. It spreads through the air. Its lethal.

Even if he screwed up everything else he screwed up, the world would be different.
People would have been prepared. They would have protected their families. We would have begun to study this. And we would have looked a lot like other countries in the world.
Think about it this way. If a corporation had knowledge that they had a product that killed people and said and did nothing, it could be considered negligent homicide. The CEO and the entire management team would be fired. Some would go to jail.
A movie would be made about the evil. It would win an academy award.

For Trump and team, it will have a news cycle of under 48 hours.

What else don't we know that he knows? What else is his team protecting him on? If he doesn't care about American lives-- soldiers with bounties or our health, what could we count on him to care about besides himself?
You can play table top exercises about what happens when a pandemic comes to our country 100 times with 100 scenarios and never play out the scenario where the president decides not to tell the country & his team backs him up.
Thankfully Republicans in Congress are loudly denouncing him.

OK, just kidding
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Now we know Trump wanted to "play it down" when he heard the Coronavirus spread through the air and could kill upwards of 5% of people.

So he thought (wrongly) that 5% of people-- including "not just old people" would die from COVID. And what he decided to do about it?
"Play it down," Trump said of the virus.

So he decided to lie. And he decided to cover up that lie by publicly attacking anyone who disagreed. The CDC, HHS, Anthony Fauci.
I know we are used to lies. I know we are used to d#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&g responsibility. I know we are used to incompetence, but something struck me as soon as I heard this.

His excuse: "I didn't want to panic people."

When you have a novel pandemic, before there is a vaccine, the only medicine there is is public reaction.

With a disease that spreads through the respiratory system, not telling them they could avoid catching the disease by taking simple precautions is psychopathic.
The man is a pyromaniac. He knew an invisible fire was coming here and he let the fire rage.

And the people around him knew he knew. And they too did nothing.
Its not like he had a plan for dealing with it while he denied something he knew. He let the fire rage all the time telling us it would be gone by April. 15 cases would become zero.

It spread through the air, but was "going to zero?" It killed people but was "like the flu?"
Trump's defenders like to say "It wouldn't have been any different under Obama." It would have been different under anyone but a madman.
Imagine a world under which the president holds a press conference in the first week in February. He tells people the virus is coming here. It spreads through the air. Its lethal.

Even if he screwed up everything else he screwed up, the world would be different.
People would have been prepared. They would have protected their families. We would have begun to study this. And we would have looked a lot like other countries in the world.
Think about it this way. If a corporation had knowledge that they had a product that killed people and said and did nothing, it could be considered negligent homicide. The CEO and the entire management team would be fired. Some would go to jail.
A movie would be made about the evil. It would win an academy award.

For Trump and team, it will have a news cycle of under 48 hours.

What else don't we know that he knows? What else is his team protecting him on? If he doesn't care about American lives-- soldiers with bounties or our health, what could we count on him to care about besides himself?
You can play table top exercises about what happens when a pandemic comes to our country 100 times with 100 scenarios and never play out the scenario where the president decides not to tell the country & his team backs him up.
Thankfully Republicans in Congress are loudly denouncing him.

OK, just kidding
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This is the proverbial making a mountain out of a molehill.

This is the proverbial making a mountain out of a molehill.

200 thousand dead is a mountain

Every other leader in the world saw a bump in approval ratings bc countries rally around leaders in times of crises usually...Trump's the ONLY one that didn't benefit Every other leader in the world saw a bump in approval ratings bc the country rallies around leaders in times of crises ...Trump's the ONLY one that didn't benefit from that solely bc of his handling of the crisis. Had he taken this seriously,hed be walking into reelection from that solely because of his handling of the crisis. Had he taken this seriously,he’d be walking into reelection.
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200 thousand dead is a mountain

Every other leader in the world saw a bump in approval ratings bc countries rally around leaders in times of crises usually...Trump's the ONLY one that didn't benefit Every other leader in the world saw a bump in approval ratings bc the country rallies around leaders in times of crises ...Trump's the ONLY one that didn't benefit from that solely bc of his handling of the crisis. Had he taken this seriously,hed be walking into reelection from that solely because of his handling of the crisis. Had he taken this seriously,he’d be walking into reelection.
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100 thousand is a mountain. Two million is a mountain. There were "expert" predictions of over two million deaths in the U.S. if the virus was not handled. I wasn't referring to the numbers mountain.

Several of the other countries had worse death ratios than the U.S., yet their leaders saw a bump in approval ratings. Interesting.

Tweety’s latest tweet
Kim Jong Un is in good health. Never underestimate him!

At least we found someone whose health the President cares about
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The right is already trying
Sean Hannity claims Biden, Democrats downplayed coronavirus while Trump took action
'The Biden campaign didn't even release an official response on the pandemic until March 11'

Some one should tell Hannity that being the President and Trying to become president. Do not remotely have the same level of duties and responsibilities..
Biden
But I want to take a moment to say it’s not a time to panic about coronavirus, but coronavirus is a serious public health challenge.”

TRUMP Its going to just dissappear or Trump Falsely Claims ‘99 Percent’ of Virus Cases Are ‘Totally Harmless’
Or his finest. It is what it is'


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100 thousand is a mountain. Two million is a mountain. There were "expert" predictions of over two million deaths in the U.S. if the virus was not handled. I wasn't referring to the numbers mountain.

Several of the other countries had worse death ratios than the U.S., yet their leaders saw a bump in approval ratings. Interesting.

Sure that’s where we might have gone if everyone ignored the science and there was no shutdown whatsoever. There are also expert opinions on how many lives might have been saved with early and more drastic nationally driven and supported measures, but those lives aren’t important as long as Trump perceives a political win of some sort, the irony is his handling turned into his political nightmare.

how is defending Trump not TDS? Where is Jim to help us?

Sure that’s where we might have gone if everyone ignored the science and there was no shutdown whatsoever. There are also expert opinions on how many lives might have been saved with early and more drastic nationally driven and supported measures, but those lives aren’t important as long as Trump perceives a political win of some sort, the irony is his handling turned into his political nightmare.

I keep hearing about earlier actions. When did Trump do what was in his power to do? Did he just wait a while when he supposedly knew the nature of the disease? Is that the accusation?

And did Trump know more then the WHO? Where did Fauci get his information? From Trump? Was Trump this genius who knew about covid before anybody else? This is all mysterious, but somehow absolutely clear.

As far as it "appears," Trump acted when and how the "experts" told him.

You need to pay more attention!
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You need to pay more attention!
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Oh, I forgot. You know everything.

Oh, I forgot. You know everything.

Oh no I’d never cut into your purview, but I do listen to what the science and experts tell us, the political stuff from both sides is white noise.

So oh learned one, do you keep a nation from panic, by down playing the crisis and by holding off using and promoting the very measures proven to work until forced to? Either he knows better and I’m certain he doesn’t or he has a really low opinion of how America could have soldered thru.
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Trump, March 19, on tape with Bob Woodward: "I wanted to always play it down. I still like playing it down, because I don't want to create a panic."
Kayleigh McEnany yesterday: "The president never downplayed the virus."

"I want to show a calmness. I'm the leader of the country. I can't be jumping up and down," Trump tells Hannity about why he played down the coronavirus, knowing it was "deadly stuff"

"If the US had the same death rate as the EU overall, nearly 84,000 Americans wouldn’t have died (out of the nearly 190,000 who have died so far). If the US had the same death rate as Canada, nearly 109,000 Americans wouldn’t have died."
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Oh no I’d never cut into your purview,

You're the one saying I need to pay more attention.
Sounds like cutting into my purview. And that you know more than me.

but I do listen to what the science and experts tell us, the political stuff from both sides is white noise.

He did listen to the experts. He still does. His whole response team was based on the opinion of, and loaded with, experts. I assume that what he told Woodward was garnered from experts.

So oh learned one, do you keep a nation from panic, by down playing the crisis

That's one of the ways.

and by holding off using and promoting the very measures proven to work until forced to?

There is no evidence that he held off the medical or technical measures needed to contain the virus. On the contrary, he went full steam into creating a task force and making it possible for the CDC to work with private researchers and developers of equipment. He didn't prevent anyone from wearing masks or using social distance. Nor was it fully agreed by all the experts that the masks really had an effect. And he always embraced any protocol that showed any promise.

Either he knows better and I’m certain he doesn’t or he has a really low opinion of how America could have soldered thru.
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Excuse me, but I personally experienced the lack of various things like rubbing alcohol, various disinfectants needed for cleaning around the house, paper towels of all sorts including toilet paper, cases of bottled water as well as various canned foods because a lot of Americans panicked and emptied the shelves to overstock their own supply, not giving a damn about anybody else.

Trump, March 19, on tape with Bob Woodward: "I wanted to always play it down. I still like playing it down, because I don't want to create a panic."

Woodward is facing some heat because he withheld this supposedly very important information from the public in order to sell more books. If it was that critical, he should have immediately informed us. Very cynical or he didn't believe it was that critical.
His excuse for not doing so is very weak.

Kayleigh McEnany yesterday: "The president never downplayed the virus."

"I want to show a calmness. I'm the leader of the country. I can't be jumping up and down," Trump tells Hannity about why he played down the coronavirus, knowing it was "deadly stuff"

Apparently, Kayleigh was wrong. Or there is more context to what she said--don't know, but Press Secretary statements are down on my list of important things.

"If the US had the same death rate as the EU overall, nearly 84,000 Americans wouldn’t have died (out of the nearly 190,000 who have died so far). If the US had the same death rate as Canada, nearly 109,000 Americans wouldn’t have died."
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Yeah, we have different death rates, better or worse. And Trump is responsible for that? Geez, man, we have a huge medical and technical and research infrastructure, regulatory agencies, independent states, experts up the gazoo, and a nation of divided and uniquely independent people, and a fairly unique political power structure that limits the power of the President far more than the leaders of most other nations--and Trump is the reason for the number of deaths?

Yeah, we have different death rates, better or worse. And Trump is responsible for that? Geez, man, we have a huge medical and technical and research infrastructure, regulatory agencies, independent states, experts up the gazoo, and a nation of divided and uniquely independent people, and a fairly unique political power structure that limits the power of the President far more than the leaders of most other nations--and Trump is the reason for the number of deaths?

It does not mute him as if that is not apparent.

Trump acted like the captain of a ship who knows it is about to hit an iceberg but doesn’t tell the passengers to make for the lifeboats.

That is an offense even more serious than simply falling asleep at the watch.

It does not mute him as if that is not apparent.

He wasn't mute.

Trump acted like the captain of a ship who knows it is about to hit an iceberg but doesn’t tell the passengers to make for the lifeboats.

Oh, the dumb captain of a ship thing. Well, if we must, he provided lifeboats that were not there. He instructed his crew to find them, make them, design them, distribute them.

That is an offense even more serious than simply falling asleep at the watch.

Fauci said he couldn't imagine anyone else doing more than what the response task force that Trump created were doing.

Did Trump know more about it than Fauci and the WHO? They, as well as, here we go again, as well as the Press, the media, the Dems, who also played it down. Did Trumps response team not perform as well as Fauci said they did. Playing it down verbally while doing the best medically and on the ground can go hand in hand, the first avoiding a panic, the second actually doing what is necessary to fight the virus.

China is responsible for 100% of the COVID-19 deaths.

Sorry Butchie,
Buuut....

Most of our current COVID load came from Europe; including mine. Calling it China-virus just makes you look like the Commander-in-Ostrich.

And the only playing Trumbo did was fatty-golf, while he waffled back-and-forth in February and March.

It’s only another 50 days, or so. Trumby can prolly fit in 37 days of golf, so it’s pretty much two more weeks of real work.

Florida is calling him. He’s a Lame Duck at this point.
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Trump, March 19, on tape with Bob Woodward: "I wanted to always play it down. I still like playing it down, because I don't want to create a panic."
Kayleigh McEnany yesterday: "The president never downplayed the virus."

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I thought Kayleigh promised not to lie?

Just another scummy Trumplican.

I thought Kayleigh promised not to lie?

Just another scummy Trumplican.

Kayleez just like any other cute blond who makes you a promise...

She’s already made that promise to a cuter beefcake than you.

Nothing is more fleeting than a beautiful, blonde woman’s promise.

She’s the ultimate blonde...
JOKE!
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Sorry Butchie,
Buuut....

Most of our current COVID load came from Europe; including mine. Calling it China-virus just makes you look like the Commander-in-Ostrich.



Europe got it from China. The virus originated in China. Saying that we got covid from Europe is like saying that if someone from Tennessee who had covid went to a virus free state and infected the folks in that state, then those folks could call it the Tennessee virus.

I can't wait to watch trump debate weekend at biden's.....

Europe got it from China. The virus originated in China. Saying that we got covid from Europe is like saying that if someone from Tennessee who had covid went to a virus free state and infected the folks in that state, then those folks could call it the Tennessee virus.

Read his post a little closer, he said most of our cases came from Europe, he didn’t say it originated in Europe; which is why the travel ban Jim loves to harp on made very little difference other than delay the inevitable.

Woodward is facing some heat because he withheld this supposedly very important information from the public in order to sell more books. If it was that critical, he should have immediately informed us. Very cynical or he didn't believe it was that critical.
His excuse for not doing so is very weak.


WOW detbunch not sure if you feel the same way? how can people expect more action from a reporter than the Trump himself


That heat is what true TDS looks like . Republicans blaming Woodward hell 90% OF trump supporters don't believe it any way.. even in a recording of him saying it:faga:

Woodward is just trying to sell books, left and the media trying to turn any scrap they can locate into a "bombshell" against trump...they all go off in their faces which is truly fun.....chicken little leftists and nobody is listening

yup......the phony empathy of the left accusing the right of lacking empathy...classic leftiscism:heybaby:

Read his post a little closer, he said most of our cases came from Europe, he didn’t say it originated in Europe; which is why the travel ban Jim loves to harp on made very little difference other than delay the inevitable.

Read his post a little closer, he said "Calling it China-virus just makes you look like the Commander-in-Ostrich." It originated in China, that's why it's called China virus.

I’m pretty sure he knows where it originated, his points were also clear, one that it most likely did the most damage by cases coming in from Europe and Trump is a chump for deflection calling it a China virus. He and most also do blame China for mishandling and most of those voting him out of office soon will do so for Trump mishandling the crisis and not being forthright with Americans. Your running out of things to spin as fast as Trump is running out of excuses.

Trump is a chump



bumper sticker material right there

Woodward is facing some heat because he withheld this supposedly very important information from the public in order to sell more books. If it was that critical, he should have immediately informed us. Very cynical or he didn't believe it was that critical.
His excuse for not doing so is very weak.


WOW detbunch not sure if you feel the same way? how can people expect more action from a reporter than the Trump himself


That heat is what true TDS looks like . Republicans blaming Woodward hell 90% OF trump supporters don't believe it any way.. even in a recording of him saying it:faga:

It isn't just Republicans who noted that Woodward withheld what he (and you) considered important information. And Trump basically explained it in an April 7 press briefing on the Coronavirus when a reporter asked him about a memo from Navarro which told of the danger of the virus (which Trump and the Dems and the Press and the WHO were all downplaying): "So, at the time, though, when Peter Navarro did circulate those memos, you were still downplaying the threat of coronavirus in the US." Trump response included: " I’m a cheerleader for this country. I don’t want to create havoc and shock and everything else. But ultimately, when I was saying that, I’m also closing it down. I obviously was concerned about it because I closed down our country to China, which was heavily infected. I then closed it down to Europe. That’s a big move, closing it down from China and then closing it down from Europe, and then ultimately closing it down to the UK. And it was right about that time. But I’m not going to go out and start screaming, this could happen, this could happen."

So Trump basically said, in public, the same thing he said to Woodward not long after that interview and way long before Woodward's supposed "bombshell."

I’m pretty sure he knows where it originated, his points were also clear, one that it most likely did the most damage by cases coming in from Europe and Trump is a chump for deflection calling it a China virus. He and most also do blame China for mishandling and most of those voting him out of office soon will do so for Trump mishandling the crisis and not being forthright with Americans. Your running out of things to spin as fast as Trump is running out of excuses.

Trump, and many, many, others call it the China, or the Wuhan, or the CCP virus because that is where it originated. It is not a chump to name a virus from whence it came. It has been done for many if not most of previous viruses. That much of it arrived here via Europe does not change that. Trump also put a travel ban on Europe. Too late? Too late was the only way to confirm that a ban was needed. Same would apply to any travel ban. It was too late because the infection was already here and China, intentionally, did not warn us, or Europe, or the rest of the world in time, and intentionally let travelers out of China, including much from Wuhan, into the rest of the world while, at the same time, banned travel from Wuhan to the rest of China. I don't know if you can spin that, but give it a go.

Trump, and many, many, others call it the China, or the Wuhan, or the CCP virus because that is where it originated. It is not a chump to name a virus from whence it came. It has been done for many if not most of previous viruses. That much of it arrived here via Europe does not change that. Trump also put a travel ban on Europe. Too late? Too late was the only way to confirm that a ban was needed. Same would apply to any travel ban. It was too late because the infection was already here and China, intentionally, did not warn us, or Europe, or the rest of the world in time, and intentionally let travelers out of China, including much from Wuhan, into the rest of the world while, at the same time, banned travel from Wuhan to the rest of China. I don't know if you can spin that, but give it a go.

What I love, Butchie, is people like you who eat up whatever he says, and then end up doing a way better job defending him than he can actually do for himself.

He’s the pres, it’s his job to defend himself. He don’t need you, sport...

Go back to crappie fishing, I guess. The world has passed you by, my friend.
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What I love, Butchie, is people like you who eat up whatever he says,

Actually, I don't. But you have no way of knowing that, so I can see why you would think so.

and then end up doing a way better job defending him than he can actually do for himself.

If he was on this forum, he would do a way better job of it than me. I'd like to see the back and forth on Trump's competence, leadership, performance, and all the other stuff--Trump vs. PeteF. That would be a doozie worth seeing.

He’s the pres, it’s his job to defend himself. He don’t need you, sport...

Well, since he's not on the forum, some of us have to do it.

Go back to crappie fishing, I guess. The world has passed you by, my friend.


I'm still keeping up . . . bigly. But thanks.

I'm still keeping up . . . bigly. But thanks.

Love the bigly.
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DONALD TRUMP'S COVID-19 PLAN

FEB: COVID isn't real
MAR: It'll go away
APR: It'll go away
MAY: It'll go away
JUN: It'll go away
JUL: It'll go away
AUG: It'll go away
SEP: It'll go away
Hint: It ain’t gonna like a miracle, go away
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DONALD TRUMP'S COVID-19 PLAN

FEB: COVID isn't real
MAR: It'll go away
APR: It'll go away
MAY: It'll go away
JUN: It'll go away
JUL: It'll go away
AUG: It'll go away
SEP: It'll go away
Hint: It ain’t gonna like a miracle, go away
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Wow. Quite a revelation. Apparently the coronavirus task force was just a mirage. The production of a vaccine is just a fiction. Testing does not happen. Masks, ventilators, help to states who were unprepared never happened. All fake news.

Thanks for the truth Pete!

What is the difference between lying about a blow job and lying about a pathogen? 200 thousand lives.
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What is the difference between lying about a blow job and lying about a pathogen? 200 thousand lives.
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There is no telling how many lives would have been lost if the public had totally panicked. Or if there were no action to combat the virus. There was a worldwide playing down of it, including the WHO, the media, the politicians on both sides, the medical experts. But there was also a concurrent serious effort to contain it. Both that effort and the calming of the public were probably necessary.

Trump’s entire political career has been built on using fear as a weapon. As he explained to Woodward and a colleague in a 2016 interview, “Real power is—I don’t even want to use the word—fear.”
Leaders excell in tough times, Tweety tried to lie and deny his way through this, the first real crisis of his administration as he has his whole life
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Trump’s entire political career has been built on using fear as a weapon. As he explained to Woodward and a colleague in a 2016 interview, “Real power is—I don’t even want to use the word—fear.”
Leaders excell in tough times, Tweety tried to lie and deny his way through this, the first real crisis of his administration as he has his whole life


You and Biden and Harris and the Dems use fear as as weapon. Trump told the truth about the virus to Woodward. And he told the same truth publicly shortly afterward in response to a reporter's question during a press briefing.

Sorry one statement that you think fits the narrative is too little, there’s video and tapes that show otherwise.
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Sorry one statement that you think fits the narrative is too little, there’s video and tapes that show otherwise.
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The statement to Woodward and repeated in essence to the reporter in a public press briefing covers the videos and tapes. And you and Biden and Harris and the Dems use fear as as weapon.

So “in essence” is your interpretation of Tweety’s speech because he did not say the same thing
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And tell me just how did this silver spoon, reality TV star, real estate grifter from Queens become the voice of the Republican party?

Because far from ushering in Bolshevism, the Obama-Biden administration presided over the longest economic expansion on record and falling violent crime.

This year, by contrast, Trump admin has seen the worst recession since the 1930s and a rising murder rate.

But he takes no responsibility at all
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Another Trump supporter out the door, I think Caputo blew a gasket, but when you work in this administration your time is numbered.
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And tell me just how did this silver spoon, reality TV star, real estate grifter from Queens become the voice of the Republican party?

Because far from ushering in Bolshevism, the Obama-Biden administration presided over the longest economic expansion on record and falling violent crime.

This year, by contrast, Trump admin has seen the worst recession since the 1930s and a rising murder rate.

But he takes no responsibility at all
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This is incorrigible bull$hit. It's what you do. Keep repeating junk.
Here is a Wikipedia synopsis of Obama's fabulous economic expansion:

"The effects of the Great Recession of 2007-2009 continued to be felt for years, with the economy described as a "malaise" as late as 2011. Employment growth remained historically low, and unemployment would not return to pre-recession levels until 2016. Long-term unemployment rose to a record high while labor force participation fell off sharply as many of the unemployed gave up looking for work. In an effort to spur economic growth, the Federal Reserve engaged in three rounds of quantitative easing, while the federal funds rate was kept near zero for an unprecedented seven years. However, credit remained difficult to obtain for some time, as lending institutions used the newly created cash to shore up their balance sheets. What growth occurred was unevenly distributed; roughly half of GDP growth from 2009-2015 went to the top 1% of households.[ Unlike every previous post-war expansion, GDP growth remained under 3% for every calendar year."

As one "expert" put it: "On almost every measure examined, the 2009-2015 recovery since the recession ended in June of 2009 has been the meekest in more than 50 years."

From a Washington Examiner Jan. 20, 2020 article: "President Trump starts off 2020 having presided over a lower average unemployment rate than any president at a comparable point in office in recorded history.

On Friday, the Bureau of Labor Statistics reported that the unemployment rate held steady at a historically low 3.5% in December. Since February 2017, Trump's first full month in office, the monthly unemployment rate has averaged 3.9%. No prior president has averaged less than 4% over the first 35 months of his presidency. The closest was Dwight Eisenhower, when the rate averaged 4.3% between February 1953 and December 1955."

Since covid, The WORLD, not just the U.S. "has seen the worst recession since the 1930s." And the murder rate has risen with the help of Progressive cities like NY pulling back on police presence and effectiveness.

Another Trump supporter out the door, I think Caputo blew a gasket, but when you work in this administration your time is numbered.
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Caputo was there to heroically battle the army of Deep State scientists trying to destroy Trump with their enslavement guidance and nuclear vaccine negativity. Now Trump will have to defeat them on his own.
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So “in essence” is your interpretation of Tweety’s speech because he did not say the same thing
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If by his "speech" you mean what he replied to the reporter who asked him about his downplaying of the virus, he did say the same thing that he said to Woodward, but mostly, not exactly, the same words. Otherwise, I don't know what you mean by his "speech."

Boy if there was ever a question of whether Barr was Trumps personal attorney and hit man, boy he answered that in spades. Sad that we have the AG basically working for the Trump re-election campaign. The corruption of this administration runs deep, can’t wait to vote his arse out and his cronies too.

Now trump knows more than cdc. And said we would have less cases in the world if it wasnt for Blue states... leadership at its finest
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This is incorrigible bull$hit. It's what you do. Keep repeating junk.
Here is a Wikipedia synopsis of Obama's fabulous economic expansion:

"The effects of the Great Recession of 2007-2009 continued to be felt for years, with the economy described as a "malaise" as late as 2011. Employment growth remained historically low, and unemployment would not return to pre-recession levels until 2016. Long-term unemployment rose to a record high while labor force participation fell off sharply as many of the unemployed gave up looking for work. In an effort to spur economic growth, the Federal Reserve engaged in three rounds of quantitative easing, while the federal funds rate was kept near zero for an unprecedented seven years. However, credit remained difficult to obtain for some time, as lending institutions used the newly created cash to shore up their balance sheets. What growth occurred was unevenly distributed; roughly half of GDP growth from 2009-2015 went to the top 1% of households.[ Unlike every previous post-war expansion, GDP growth remained under 3% for every calendar year."

As one "expert" put it: "On almost every measure examined, the 2009-2015 recovery since the recession ended in June of 2009 has been the meekest in more than 50 years."

From a Washington Examiner Jan. 20, 2020 article: "President Trump starts off 2020 having presided over a lower average unemployment rate than any president at a comparable point in office in recorded history.

On Friday, the Bureau of Labor Statistics reported that the unemployment rate held steady at a historically low 3.5% in December. Since February 2017, Trump's first full month in office, the monthly unemployment rate has averaged 3.9%. No prior president has averaged less than 4% over the first 35 months of his presidency. The closest was Dwight Eisenhower, when the rate averaged 4.3% between February 1953 and December 1955."

Since covid, The WORLD, not just the U.S. "has seen the worst recession since the 1930s." And the murder rate has risen with the help of Progressive cities like NY pulling back on police presence and effectiveness.

Keep dreaming meanwhile Tweety is saying
The deaths in the blue states don’t count and that’s probably the sickest and most honest belief I’ve heard Trump express.
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Keep dreaming meanwhile Tweety is saying
The deaths in the blue states don’t count and that’s probably the sickest and most honest belief I’ve heard Trump express.
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I wasn't dreaming. I quoted Wikipedia and Washington Examiner articles.

Trump didn't say blue state deaths don't count. He said if they weren't counted the death toll would be lower. Which is true. It would also be true that if red state deaths weren't counted, the death toll would be lower. Kind of a dumb thing to say, but playing politics results in a lot of dumb things being said--for example, a lot of the dumb things the master of playing politics, Biden, says.

He just had an indoor rally without social distancing except for himself. Why keep pretending he’s engaged with the safety of the American people? At all.
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Tonight Tweety claimed a Covid-19 vaccine could be ready for distribution as early as mid-October — hours after the head of the CDC testified it likely wouldn't be ready until the end of the year.
Somebody’s full of false hope and unknowing optimism.
Pretty likely it’s the “cheerleader”
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He just had an indoor rally without social distancing except for himself. Why keep pretending he’s engaged with the safety of the American people? At all.
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Maybe he doesn't think the American people are lemmings. That being American supposes that you think for yourself. The information about social distancing and masks has been pounded into our heads on a daily basis. Anyone who is ignorant of that info must have just awoken and come out of their caves. I wouldn't go to one of those rallies for various reasons including covid. Watching one on YouTube is more than enough.

We have witnessed time and again large groups of "mostly peaceful" protesters not practicing social distancing, but still get lauded and encouraged by the left. Goose, gander.

Only one person at those rallies socially distanced himself and made sure everyone in close contact with him was tested.
It’s right up there with "If you take the blue states out" that will be remembered as one of the most callous sentiments ever uttered by an American president.... if it's remembered at all.
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Just wait for Trump's new Healthcare Plan, "You're on your own."
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Tonight Tweety claimed a Covid-19 vaccine could be ready for distribution as early as mid-October — hours after the head of the CDC testified it likely wouldn't be ready until the end of the year.
Somebody’s full of false hope and unknowing optimism.
Pretty likely it’s the “cheerleader”
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It’s just more of the same Trump’s version of reality ALWAYS is for personal or political gain, I doubt anyone with a brain can’t see why he contradicts all the medical experts since day one and NO it’s not to calm Americans.

There is only bluster and BS
There is no healthcare plan. There is no infrastructure plan. There is no plan to deal with the pandemic. There is no plan to deal with the climate crisis. There is no plan to deal with structural racism. There is no plan to deal with economic injustice. There is only an idiot who thinks he’s the “Chosen One”, claiming it will all get better and he alone can fix it.
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There is only bluster and BS
There is no healthcare plan. There is no infrastructure plan. There is no plan to deal with the pandemic. There is no plan to deal with the climate crisis. There is no plan to deal with structural racism. There is no plan to deal with economic injustice. There is only an idiot who thinks he’s the “Chosen One”, claiming it will all get better and he alone can fix it.
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It's far worse than that, for the most part he denies any of these are really even serious issues.

Didn’t want to panic anyone

The USPS had a plan to send 5 reusable facemarks to every household in early April. Even had a press release ready.

The White House blocked the plan.

“There was concern...that households receiving masks might create concern or panic."
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There is only bluster and BS
There is no healthcare plan. There is no infrastructure plan. There is no plan to deal with the pandemic. There is no plan to deal with the climate crisis. There is no plan to deal with structural racism. There is no plan to deal with economic injustice. There is only an idiot who thinks he’s the “Chosen One”, claiming it will all get better and he alone can fix it.
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Plan, plan, everywhere a plan
Blocking out my freedom, breaking my mind.

So I got me a pen and a paper and I made up my own little plan
I said, "Thank you, Lord, for thinkin' 'bout me. I'm alive and doin' fine."

facemarks

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wtf is a facemark?

wtf is a facemark?

Hmm, not capable of figuring anything out unless you’re told exactly?
Hope someone feeds you so you don’t starve
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During a worldwide health pandemic does it not bother you Trump supporters he is bypassing the CDC to control a politically driven narrative? It’s bad enough he has been lying from the start when he knew how severe this was likely to be and now he is preventing the CDC from reviewing their own press releases. It is so irresponsible and frankly dangerous to erode any trust in any future vaccine, to contradict ALL the medical experts on the timeline for a safe rollout of the vaccine to the general public. Gee wiz what is the word I’m looking for where a leader on this globe controls the state news the citizens can see, the only difference is Trump hasn’t quite got control of the free news outlets but given time he will try.

The stories that are starting to emerge about how the pandemic was handled at the White House will make almost every American cringe

“Kushner, seated at the head of the conference table, in a chair taller than all the others, was quick to strike a confrontational tone. “The federal government is not going to lead this response,” he announced. “It’s up to the states to figure out what they want to do.”

One attendee explained to Kushner that due to the finite supply of PPE, Americans were bidding against each other and driving prices up. To solve that, businesses eager to help were looking to the federal government for leadership and direction.

“Free markets will solve this,” Kushner said dismissively. “That is not the role of government.”

The same attendee explained that although he believed in open markets, he feared that the system was breaking. As evidence, he pointed to a CNN report about New York governor Andrew Cuomo and his desperate call for supplies.

“That’s the CNN bull#^&#^&#^&#^&,” Kushner snapped. “They lie.””



https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/09/jared-kushner-let-the-markets-decide-covid-19-fate
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During a worldwide health pandemic does it not bother you Trump supporters he is bypassing the CDC to control a politically driven narrative? It’s bad enough he has been lying from the start when he knew how severe this was likely to be and now he is preventing the CDC from reviewing their own press releases. It is so irresponsible and frankly dangerous to erode any trust in any future vaccine, to contradict ALL the medical experts on the timeline for a safe rollout of the vaccine to the general public. Gee wiz what is the word I’m looking for where a leader on this globe controls the state news the citizens can see, the only difference is Trump hasn’t quite got control of the free news outlets but given time he will try.

are you drunk?

are you drunk?

Don’t like the red cool aid like you, clouds your mind, numbs your thinking and blinds you to what’s happening
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Don’t like the red cool aid like you, clouds your mind, numbs your thinking and blinds you to what’s happening
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it was a simple question....

it was a simple question....

He said cool aid, we were supposed to drink
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Oh, by the way
We’re now at 200K dead
And what’s the headline

Fools
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just for the record...the republican run state of California continues to lead the league in new cases and total cases...they must not be wearing masks there

Trump: "We’re doing better than Europe."

Average deaths per day over the last week:

Spain: 107
France: 53
Italy: 14

US: 799

And in case you didn’t understand, the President is the leader of the governing organization of all 50 states, responsible to the Constitution, not himself first and his party second.
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And in case you didn’t understand, the President is the leader of the governing organization of all 50 states, responsible to the Constitution, not himself first and his party second.


The Constitution doesn't make the President the "leader" of the federal government. It makes him the head ("leader") of the Executive Branch of the government. The President doesn't constitutionally "lead" Congress. The President implements and enforces the laws passed by Congress. The President doesn't make laws. Nor does the President "lead" the Supreme Court in its decisions.

You seem to have an innate Progressive concept of presidential power. But that is not our constitutional concept.

The Constitution doesn't make the President the "leader" of the federal government. It makes him the head ("leader") of the Executive Branch of the government. The President doesn't constitutionally "lead" Congress. The President implements and enforces the laws passed by Congress. The President doesn't make laws. Nor does the President "lead" the Supreme Court in its decisions.

You seem to have an innate Progressive concept of presidential power. But that is not our constitutional concept.

You better tell Tweety, his speech and actions don’t match your claims
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You better tell Tweety, his speech and actions don’t match your claims
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Your concept of the President as "leader" seems to agree with his speech and actions.

There have been great examples of Presidential leadership in history, 200K+ dead will be Tweety’s legacy.
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There have been great examples of Presidential leadership in history, 200K+ dead will be Tweety’s legacy.


For you that will be his legacy. For many others it will be his SC nominations.

Glad to hear you're excited about the SC.
Meanwhile in the world that most Americans live in............

The University of Washington coronavirus model cited by the White House on June 16th revised its estimate to 200,000 coronavirus deaths by October 1 in the United States.

This projection from mid-June was accurate nearly within a week.

The same model now projects 378,000 coronavirus deaths by January 1st.

A recent study from the University of Frankford in Germany showed abnormal heart findings in more than 75% of people studied who had recently recovered from COVID-19. A considerable majority of patients in the study were found to have had inflammation in the heart and muscle lining.

This can be troubling as inflammation in the heart can lead to long-lasting cardiac disease and failure.

“There’s a lot more that needs to be studied, but it’s important to know that there’s the possibility out there that a coronavirus infection could mean development of a serious heart condition,” says Dr. Jacobs.

But Tweety isn't worried about 205K nobodies, will you be one of the dead or one of the unlucky survivors? Longhauling isn't a joke.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3yIoNXD9_U

Glad to hear you're excited about the SC.
Meanwhile in the world that most Americans live in............

The University of Washington coronavirus model cited by the White House on June 16th revised its estimate to 200,000 coronavirus deaths by October 1 in the United States.

This projection from mid-June was accurate nearly within a week.

The same model now projects 378,000 coronavirus deaths by January 1st.

A recent study from the University of Frankford in Germany showed abnormal heart findings in more than 75% of people studied who had recently recovered from COVID-19. A considerable majority of patients in the study were found to have had inflammation in the heart and muscle lining.

This can be troubling as inflammation in the heart can lead to long-lasting cardiac disease and failure.

“There’s a lot more that needs to be studied, but it’s important to know that there’s the possibility out there that a coronavirus infection could mean development of a serious heart condition,” says Dr. Jacobs.

But Tweety isn't worried about 205K nobodies, will you be one of the dead or one of the unlucky survivors? Longhauling isn't a joke.


I don't think Biden can change any of that. Nor do I think, no matter how hard you try to convince us, that Trump is responsible for all of that. I think that since the Russia hoax, and phony impeachment, and tax recoreds, and sexual accusations, and racism, xenophobia, sexist, homophobe, NAZI, schticks didn't work, blaming Trump for covid deaths is the last desperate attempt to get him before the election.

And . . . there is that vote by mail thingy that might work.

Ahh, the poor victim
Let’s see his taxes that have been being audited for how many years
Let’s see the unredacted Mueller report
An impeachment with evidence presented
The DNA that his rape accuser almost subpoenaed till Barr claimed libel is a presidential duty
Yea, he owns a lot of responsibility for COVID-19 deaths, but he and you are willing to blame anyone while taking no responsibility at all.
He’s the same barking carnival clown he’s always been.
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Ahh, the poor victim
Let’s see his taxes that have been being audited for how many years
Let’s see the unredacted Mueller report
An impeachment with evidence presented
The DNA that his rape accuser almost subpoenaed till Barr claimed libel is a presidential duty
Yea, he owns a lot of responsibility for COVID-19 deaths, but he and you are willing to blame anyone while taking no responsibility at all.
He’s the same barking carnival clown he’s always been.
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Blah, blah, blah . . . and he's not poor.

Blah, blah, blah . . . and he's not poor.

Most mobbed up guys aren’t
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Most mobbed up guys aren’t
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Neither are Presidents and highly successful business men.

Not racist at all either
President Trump: "How about Omar of Minnesota? We're going to win the state Minnesota because of her, they say. She's telling us how to run our country. How did you do where you came from?"
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Not racist at all either
President Trump: "How about Omar of Minnesota? We're going to win the state Minnesota because of her, they say. She's telling us how to run our country. How did you do where you came from?"
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If a woman moved from the U.S. to Germany, and Merkel asked her how she did where she came from, would that be racism?

If a woman moved from the U.S. to Germany, and Merkel asked her how she did where she came from, would that be racism?

Your false equivalencies are amazingly bad.

I'll let Omar's retort speak for itself: "I fled civil war when I was 8. An 8-year-old doesn’t run a country even though you run our country like one.”

Not racist at all either
President Trump: "How about Omar of Minnesota? We're going to win the state Minnesota because of her, they say. She's telling us how to run our country. How did you do where you came from?"
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why is that racist? totally fair to point out that she chose to flee somalia, and that she’s doing great here. totally fair to use that as evidence of our promise.
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Your false equivalencies are amazingly bad.

I'll let Omar's retort speak for itself: "I fled civil war when I was 8. An 8-year-old doesn’t run a country even though you run our country like one.”

you are missing trumps point. his point is, she wouldn’t be doing as well as she’s doing here, had she stayed.
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Your false equivalencies are amazingly bad.

I'll let Omar's retort speak for itself: "I fled civil war when I was 8. An 8-year-old doesn’t run a country even though you run our country like one.”

So, where's the racism?

Is she an American citizen and a member of the House?
Do you suppose he's using her as a target because??????

Has Trump told Arnold Schwarzenegger to go back to his country yet or asked how he ran Austria?

It is as much her country as the immigration fraud first lady who claims to speak 5 languages but barely is comprehensible in the one she has spoken for 25 years, and came here with a Einstein visa. Though I have heard she can say "pay me first" in five languages.

Is she an American citizen and a member of the House?
Do you suppose he's using her as a target because??????

Has Trump told Arnold Schwarzenegger to go back to his country yet or asked how he ran Austria?

It is as much her country as the immigration fraud first lady who claims to speak 5 languages but barely is comprehensible in the one she has spoken for 25 years, and came here with a Einstein visa. Though I have heard she can say "pay me first" in five languages.

I asked where's the racism, and you come up with this gibberish?

why is that racist?
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Because you're not allowed to say anything mean to a black person, ever!! Didn't you get the memo?
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Tweety never says it exactly out loud, does he, just blows the dogwhistle.

You just keep believing in the man that claims "No one loves Black people more than me" or Jews, Hispanics, veterans, religion and women and then put some thought into what kind of person needs to say that.

Over 3½ years in office, he has presided over a sweeping U.S. government retreat from the front lines of civil rights, endangering decades of progress against voter suppression, housing discrimination and police misconduct.

His immigration policies hark back to quota systems of the 1920s that were influenced by the junk science of eugenics, and have involved enforcement practices — including the separation of small children from their families — that seemed designed to maximize trauma on Hispanic migrants.

With the election looming, the signaling behind even second-tier policy initiatives has been unambiguous.

After rolling back regulations designed to encourage affordable housing for minorities, Trump declared himself the champion of the “Suburban Lifestyle Dream.” He ordered aides to revamp racial sensitivity training at federal agencies so that it no longer refers to “White privilege.” In a speech at the National Archives on Thursday, Trump vowed to overhaul what children are taught in the nation’s schools — something only states have the power to do — while falsely claiming that students are being “fed lies about America being a wicked nation plagued by racism.”

The America envisioned by these policies and pronouncements is one dedicated to preserving a racial hierarchy that can be seen in Trump’s own Cabinet and White House, both overwhelmingly white and among the least diverse in recent U.S. history.​

Because you're not allowed to say anything mean to a black person, ever!! Didn't you get the memo?
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I think the rule is more like you're not supposed to say racist things about a black person. Didn't you get the memo?

why is that racist? totally fair to point out that she chose to flee somalia, and that she’s doing great here. totally fair to use that as evidence of our promise.
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An 8 year old chose to flee Somalia.? Do you actually believe what you write


Did the 8 year old chose to be molested by the. Catholic priest


Trumps never used her success as evidence of our promise .. more like a problem who are these non white Americans and how dare they to speak to us about America 🇺🇸

I think the rule is more like you're not supposed to say racist things about a black person. Didn't you get the memo?

I got it, I just don't see it there.

I know you see it.....everywhere :rolleyes:
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It’s really kind of pathetic when you take a step back and think about it. Four years in office and nothing to show for it, so you gotta dog whistle your way back to the White House.

An 8 year old chose to flee Somalia.? Do you actually believe what you write


Did the 8 year old chose to be molested by the. Catholic priest


Trumps never used her success as evidence of our promise .. more like a problem who are these non white Americans and how dare they to speak to us about America ����

OK, her family chose to flee. And Trumps point was, her family did a whole lot better here. You disagree with that? You have an issue with pointing that out?

"Trumps never used her success as evidence of our promise "

He did it yesterday. I don't know if he ever has before.

"more like a problem who are these non white Americans and how dare they to speak to us about America ����"

Youre hearing things he didn't say. Omar despises the traditional view of this country, obviously, so it's fair to ask her why she hates the country that essentially saved her.

It’s really kind of pathetic when you take a step back and think about it. Four years in office and nothing to show for it, so you gotta dog whistle your way back to the White House.

The stock market at an all time high, ISIS on their knees, is "nothing"? Criminal justice reform is nothing? Creating economic opportunity zones in poor urban areas is nothing? And until we chose to shut the economy down (not his fault), he had the economy roaring. Tax cuts to 60% of us is nothing?

Oh, and pretty soon he can add "finished off the Warren Supreme Court judicial activism" to his list. I appreciate that you don't celebrate that quite the way that I do. But it's something.

OK, her family chose to flee. And Trumps point was, her family did a whole lot better here. You disagree with that? You have an issue with pointing that out?
He said "now she's telling us what to do" like she has no rights because she's not a US citizen. It's the exact same birther BS he played with Obama...because they're black Jim.

He called "now she's telling us what to do" like she's not a US citizen. It's the exact same birther BS he played with Obama...because they're black Jim.

He has no right to say that she has no right to tell us what to do. Of course she does. That was stupid.

I don't have a problem with saying "she despises the country that saved her". Her ethics are also pretty sketchy. She likes her men apparently, and she likes funneling campaign donations to her pals for sure. And if she married her brother, she fits right in with the Bidens.

Poor guy, I was pretty young when a girl said to me “You know we like sex also”
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Poor guy, I was pretty young when a girl said to me “You know we like sex also”
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Pete, I'm pretty normal there, too. But with my wife, and only with my wife. Omar apparently likes to spread it around.

I know, I know, we Catholics (not ones who merely identify as catholic, but who actually believe) are so corny, so living in the past. Imagine not cheating on your spouse, seems so anachronistic. I'm so tightly wrapped.

He said "now she's telling us what to do" like she has no rights because she's not a US citizen.

That's the problem with trying to frame something as being racist when there is no actual provable racism present--you have to say it's "like" racism. So that supposedly gives you the license to irrationally say "now she's telling us what to do" is racist.

It's the exact same birther BS he played with Obama...because they're black Jim.

That's another form of "like" racism. The birthers' contention was that Obama was not born in the U.S.A. That would have been the same contention if he was born in some lily white European country such as Sweden. But because Kenya is mostly black, there is an opportunity to invoke the "like" factor. When whites say anything negative about black people or black countries, it's "like" racism.

That's another form of "like" racism. The birthers' contention was that Obama was not born in the U.S.A. That would have been the same contention if he was born in some lily white European country such as Sweden.

cough... cough.. bull$hit... cough.. cough

cough... cough.. bull$hit... cough.. cough

If that's all you got, BS back atcha.

I think the rule is more like you're not supposed to say racist things about a black person. Didn't you get the memo?

Is saying that a black person was born in Kenya a racist thing?

Is saying that a black person was born in Kenya a racist thing?

Especially when their dad is from Kenya...:huh:
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Is saying that a black person was born in Kenya a racist thing?
When there’s no evidence of it and you’re just doing it to make people uneasy? Hell yes.
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When there’s no evidence of it and you’re just doing it to make people uneasy? Hell yes.
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Making people uneasy is racist? . . . Oh, that's right, the new definition, everything is racist if you want it to be.

Making people uneasy is racist? . . . Oh, that's right, the new definition, everything is racist if you want it to be.
If you’re using racism to do it...hell yes.
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If you’re using racism to do it...hell yes.
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And yet, you are unable to point out the racism.

Every American who supports Trump should never be allowed to forget what just happened on that stage. After all the offenses against the nation and the Constitution, he refuses to commit to a peaceful transfer of power. If you support this man, you cannot call yourself a patriot.
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Every American who supports Trump should never be allowed to forget what just happened on that stage. After all the offenses against the nation and the Constitution, he refuses to commit to a peaceful transfer of power. If you support this man, you cannot call yourself a patriot.
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More blah, blah

Sure Jan
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Every American who supports Trump should never be allowed to forget what just happened on that stage. After all the offenses against the nation and the Constitution, he refuses to commit to a peaceful transfer of power. If you support this man, you cannot call yourself a patriot.
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Can’t cover it up, Russian troll
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Sure


Yup

More blah, blah

Fundamental to democracy is the peaceful transition of power; without that, there is Belarus. Any suggestion that a president might not respect this Constitutional guarantee is both unthinkable and unacceptable. Oh, that’s Romney, he’s not a true believer
GFY
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Fundamental to democracy is the peaceful transition of power; without that, there is Belarus. Any suggestion that a president might not respect this Constitutional guarantee is both unthinkable and unacceptable. Oh, that’s Romney, he’s not a true believer
GFY


Asking Trump if he will commit to a peaceful transition of power is provocative, accusational, and just plain rude. This is not a usual question asked of Presidents. Trump should answer such a question with your above GFY.

We will know shortly how Tweety will act and act accordingly
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We will know shortly how Tweety will act and act accordingly
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we already know how the democrats and their mobs will act if they lose :rotf3:

Asking Trump if he will commit to a peaceful transition of power is provocative, accusational, and just plain rude. This is not a usual question asked of Presidents. Trump should answer such a question with your above GFY.

pete is a little overdramatic

Fundamental to democracy is the peaceful transition of power

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you know that it's the left that is warning that unless weekend at biden's wins in a landslide they will burn it all down....right?

we already know how the democrats and their mobs will act if they lose :rotf3:

The noise will be deafening as the sound of millions of "Binkies" are spit from their mouths as they fall to the ground to begin flailing their arms and legs in a wild display of "It's not fair"

The good news is that Climate Change should improve as millions hold their breath until they turn blue.
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Asking Trump if he will commit to a peaceful transition of power is provocative, accusational, and just plain rude. This is not a usual question asked of Presidents. Trump should answer such a question with your above GFY.

Maybe so, but in asking the question, he got Trump to say out loud what many have suspected a want to be dictator was really thinking. Trump has such a thin skin he just can’t handle tough questions and a president should not be making a concerted effort to keep people from voting, but he has been doing it for the better part of a year.

Maybe so, but in asking the question, he got Trump to say out loud what many have suspected a want to be dictator was really thinking. Trump has such a thin skin he just can’t handle tough questions and a president should not be making a concerted effort to keep people from voting, but he has been doing it for the better part of a year.

this is stupid

nobody is trying to keep anyone from voting....

everywhere I turn someone or some ad is telling me I need to vote, asking me if I've registered...my reply is...wait...is this an election year??...who knew??? GFY and mind your own business :laugha:

this is stupid

nobody is trying to keep anyone from voting....

everywhere I turn someone or some ad is telling me I need to vote, asking me if I've registered...my reply is...wait...is this an election year??...who knew??? GFY and mind your own business :laugha:

Thought you were brighter and would understand that effort to get out the vote is required to negate Trumps efforts to suppress the vote.

Thought you were brighter and would understand that effort to get out the vote is required to negate Trumps efforts to suppress the vote.

trump can't keep anyone from voting...this is stupid

trump can't keep anyone from voting...this is stupid

Oh I know, just like he can't convince the weak minded or mindless minions the virus was a hoax and nobody needs a mask. The forest is just behind the tree line your focused on.

Oh I know, just like he can't convince the weak minded or mindless minions the virus was a hoax and nobody needs a mask. The forest is just behind the tree line your focused on.

let me know when and how trump prevents you from voting in november

Won’t stop me but he is in court trying to stop mail in ballots and constantly tying to convince the American public it’s not valid and let’s not forget the postal service. Keep believing he is there to protect ALL Americans rights, not unless your in a state with the right color.
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Won’t stop me but he is in court trying to stop mail in ballots and constantly tying to convince the American public it’s not valid and let’s not forget the postal service. Keep believing he is there to protect ALL Americans rights, not unless your in a state with the right color.
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I used to think Scott was smarter but I question that now.

Oh I know, just like he can't convince the weak minded or mindless minions the virus was a hoax and nobody needs a mask. The forest is just behind the tree line your focused on.

He never said the virus was a hoax. He is not against anyone wearing a mask.

Won’t stop me but he is in court trying to stop mail in ballots and constantly tying to convince the American public it’s not valid and let’s not forget the postal service. Keep believing he is there to protect ALL Americans rights, not unless your in a state with the right color.
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He is not trying to stop all mail in ballots. Mass mail in is susceptible to fraud and even more susceptible to error and to prolonged confusion and disqualification of ballots. Anti-Trump media denies this. But other media doesn't. The Court can decide. Trump alone cannot do it.

In any case stopping mass mail in votes does not stop people from voting.

Won’t stop me
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right...can't stop you...but...everyone else he can stop from voting...:confused:

Report on CNBC right now of a hospital in Green Bay, WI that is over 100% capacity.

The president is holding a rally in Green Bay this weekend and local officials are concerned it will be a super spreader event.
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Report on CNBC right now of a hospital in Green Bay, WI that is over 100% capacity.

The president is holding a rally in Green Bay this weekend and local officials are concerned it will be a super spreader event.
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And yet another sterling and timely report by PeteF. We don't need the fake news media. Pete has it covered.

It’s weird how Trump’s “accidental misstatements” always read like an endorsement of white supremacy. You’d think if they were all misstatements he’d occasionally also “accidentally” condemn white supremacy.
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It’s weird how Trump’s “accidental misstatements” always read like an endorsement of white supremacy. You’d think if they were all misstatements he’d occasionally also “accidentally” condemn white supremacy.


Trump said on Aug. 14, 2017: Racism is evil. And those who cause violence in its name are criminals and thugs, including the KKK, neo-Nazis, white supremacists, and other hate groups that are repugnant to everything we hold dear as Americans.

Trump said on Aug. 15, 2017: I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists, because they should be condemned totally.


After nearly two dozen people were killed on Aug. 3, 2019, in a shooting at a Wal-Mart in El Paso, Trump said: “The shooter in El Paso posted a manifesto online consumed by racist hate. In one voice, our nation must condemn racism, bigotry, and white supremacy. These sinister ideologies must be defeated. Hate has no place in America. Hatred warps the mind, ravages the heart, and devours the soul. We have asked the FBI to identify all further resources they need to investigate and disrupt hate crimes and domestic terrorism — whatever they need.”

And this: https://centipedenation.com/second-column/trump-condemned-white-supremacy-and-its-leaders-20-times/

And this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NezgooK0-mE

Yesterday, Trump didn't only refuse again to condemn white supremacists; it's much worse. He told them to prepare for violence.

And who are these Proud Boys that he doesn’t know?

SUMMARY:
The Proud Boys are a nationalistic, anti-Muslim, anti-immigrant, misogynistic, fascist hate group founded in 2016 by Gavin McInnes. McInnes is a Canadian radio and podcast host previously for RebelMedia and also co-founded Vice Media in 1994 but left the company in 2008 due to "creative differences". McInnes describes the Proud Boys as a pro-Western fraternal organization for men who refuse to apologize for creating the modern world, or as he calls the group, Western Chauvinists.
CORE COMPOSITIONThe group has a hierarchical structure, involving 10 levels of membership. In order to obtain the fourth level of membership one must commit an act of violence. Its worth noting that the 5-10 degrees of membership are kept secret. It may seem counter intuitive that Proud Boys, a primarily White Nationalist movement, would have any supporters of different races but Proud Boys are at its core Fascist - a key component of their support…
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He is not trying to stop all mail in ballots. Mass mail in is susceptible to fraud and even more susceptible to error and to prolonged confusion and disqualification of ballots. Anti-Trump media denies this. But other media doesn't. The Court can decide. Trump alone cannot do it.

In any case stopping mass mail in votes does not stop people from voting.

And you know the reasons why Trumps not going to court in Ma

And the reasons he's only in court. In swing states. Its to supress the vote our own POTUS has keeps trying to delegitimize the election in case he losses .but if. Wins the system is fine??? that is Clear for anyone who actually looks

In any case stopping mass mail in votes does not stop people from voting.[/QUOTE]

Yes it does. And several states all ready vote 99 % by mail

The difference is, in an all vote-by-mail election, voters don't have to request an absentee ballot. As long as they're a registered voter, they're automatically mailed one.
So these ballots are not just being sent randomly to unregistered voters

Sure some will be dead some will have moved thats not fraud.. that happens with Ss checks its called normal. And spread that across a country of 300 million people and all the states if you think that these incidents will
Change the outcome of the elections then your the same kind of person
Who thinks the only way Trump .lost out on the popular vote was because illegals Voting .. funny no mention of illegals voting yet

Yesterday, Trump didn't only refuse again to condemn white supremacists; it's much worse. He told them to prepare for violence.


This insane. He has condemned white supremacists, bigotry, racism, several times. Did you even notice the post just before yours. His repeated rejection of these things is on printed record and on video, easily found IF YOU HAVE THE HONESTY TO SEEK THE TRUTH RATHER THAN JUST KEEP REPEATING IGNORANT LIES.

And he didn't tell the Proud Boys to prepare for violence, he told them to refrain from it. Wallace's question about condemning white supremacists included have them "stand down." So, after asking Wallace to name who he meant, and Biden blurted out Proud Boys, Trump acceded to both, using their language of "stand down" and "Proud Boys", and told the Proud boys to stand back and stand by. He later explained, when asked by a reporter, that they should stand aside and let law enforcement do its job.

But you have an agenda to push, don't you.

Yesterday, Trump didn't only refuse again to condemn white supremacists; it's much worse. He told them to prepare for violence.

And who are these Proud Boys that he doesn’t know?

SUMMARY:
The Proud Boys are a nationalistic, anti-Muslim, anti-immigrant, misogynistic, fascist hate group founded in 2016 by Gavin McInnes. McInnes is a Canadian radio and podcast host previously for RebelMedia and also co-founded Vice Media in 1994 but left the company in 2008 due to "creative differences". McInnes describes the Proud Boys as a pro-Western fraternal organization for men who refuse to apologize for creating the modern world, or as he calls the group, Western Chauvinists.
CORE COMPOSITIONThe group has a hierarchical structure, involving 10 levels of membership. In order to obtain the fourth level of membership one must commit an act of violence. Its worth noting that the 5-10 degrees of membership are kept secret. It may seem counter intuitive that Proud Boys, a primarily White Nationalist movement, would have any supporters of different races but Proud Boys are at its core Fascist - a key component of their support…
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I put the part back that you failed to quote

Here’s what he said.........


Trump: Proud Boys? Stand back and stand by, but I’ll tell you what, I’ll tell you what, somebody’s gotta do something about Antifa and the left, because this is not a right wing problem, this is a left-wing problem.”
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I put the part back that you failed to quote

Here’s what he said.........


Trump: Proud Boys? Stand back and stand by, but I’ll tell you what, I’ll tell you what, somebody’s gotta do something about Antifa and the left, because this is not a right wing problem, this is a left-wing problem.”


There was no need to quote what you already quoted. I didn't consider it relevant to respond to a summary of who the Proud Boys are. I responded to your characterization of what Trump said. He did not tell them to prepare for violence. I explained why he referred to the Proud Boys and why he used the phrase stand back and stand by. And Trump explained what he meant by that phrase when asked by a reporter. But you will have none of that. You will press for your interpretation, as if you know what Trump meant better than Trump knowing what he meant. And, of course, your interpretations of Trumps words always put him in the evil light you prefer and which will fit your orange man bad narrative.

As for your insistence that he has not condemned white supremacists, you fail to respond to all the instances I posted of him doing that many times. You demonstrate a blind bigotry similar to the bigotry you ascribe to Trump. You keep repeating obvious lies in order to maintain the validity of your false narrative.

Respond to post #175 of this thread if you want show us at least a semblance of honesty.

There was no need to quote what you already quoted. I didn't consider it relevant to respond to a summary of who the Proud Boys are. I responded to your characterization of what Trump said. He did not tell them to prepare for violence. I explained why he referred to the Proud Boys and why he used the phrase stand back and stand by. The definition of Stand-by is: readiness for duty or immediate deployment, a person or thing ready to be deployed immediately, especially if needed as backup in an emergency. And Trump explained what he meant by that phrase when asked by a reporter. But you will have none of that. You will press for your interpretation, as if you know what Trump meant better than Trump knowing what he meant. And, of course, your interpretations of Trumps words always put him in the evil light you prefer and which will fit your orange man bad narrative.

As for your insistence that he has not condemned white supremacists, you fail to respond to all the instances I posted of him doing that many times. You demonstrate a blind bigotry similar to the bigotry you ascribe to Trump. You keep repeating obvious lies in order to maintain the validity of your false narrative.

Respond to post #175 of this thread if you want show us at least a semblance of honesty.

So you'll claim that it’s actually Democrats and the left who incite racism by… bringing up racism.
It’s clever rhetoric — by claiming that progressives see everything as racist, then nothing ever can be. The truth is far more clear-cut.

Trump says Mexicans are rapists, that white supremacists are “very fine people,” and that Muslims don’t belong in America. He believes protesters should be roughed up, that majority-Black neighborhoods are dangerous, and that the exonerated Central Park Five are guilty.
The president doesn’t need to yell a racial slur for us to know he’s a racist — his dog whistles relay the same message while giving himself and his supporters plausible deniability and a semblance of honesty.

#175 is the post I quoted

Here's a little more Proud Boy info for you
Only hours after President Donald Trump gave a debate-stage nod to the extremist group the Proud Boys he’s now claiming he doesn’t know who they are.

“I don’t know who the Proud Boys are. You’ll have to give me a definition because I really don’t know who they are,” Trump told reporters on Wednesday.

One could assume that nobody in the White House discussed this among other things re the debate with him since the event, if you are really obtuse.

However even if you accept that nobody in his political sphere said anything about his comment on the Proud Boys, his connection to his old friend, political operative Roger Stone, suggests otherwise.

Stone has long been a supporter of the violent group which describes itself as “Western chauvinists” and “anti-white guilt.”

The ADL reports that Stone has invited the groups leaders into his home, used them as private security at his events, accepted their support during his trial under the Mueller investigation and even allowed the group to share a video of him reciting their initiation mantra. “Hi, I’m Roger Stone. I’m a Western chauvinist, and I refuse to apologize for creating the modern world,” he said into the camera in a now-deleted YouTube video.

Earlier this summer, shortly before Trump commuted Stone’s prison sentence, Stone was kicked off Facebook as part of the social media giant’s investigation into the Proud Boys’ online activities. They found dozens of fictitious accounts linked to Stone which would post and comment on Proud Boys material to make it seem more popular than it is.

In addition, just last week the Honolulu Civil beat reported that Stone has endorsed Nick Ochs, founder of the Proud Boys’ Hawaii chapter, as a Republican candidate for Hawaii’s state legislature.

Stone is a close friend of the Proud Boys’ current leader Enrique Tarrio, who replaced the group’s founder Gavin McInnes. At a 2019 Trump rally in Miami, Tarrio had a high-profile seat directly behind the president where he wore a T-shirt which read “Roger Stone did nothing wrong.”
Enrique Tarrios is also head of the Florida chapter of Latinos for Trump, now given his current push in Florida with the Latin community, I would not be surprised to find that they have spoken.

So you'll claim that it’s actually Democrats and the left who incite racism by… bringing up racism.



yes...they do this enthusiastically-racial division...it keeps them in power

yes...they do this enthusiastically-racial division...it keeps them in power

Well if the current Republican Party spoke about race and racial issues, maybe they wouldn’t have so few people who aren’t white.
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trump will enjoy record support from the folks you claim the republican party won't speak to which is why you and your friends are so desperate to characterize he and anyone who disagrees with you as racist white supremacists...it's pretty sick and twisted...but not unexpected

You sound like him, here’s his tweet today after the debate commission said they’ll enforce the rules.

Why would I allow the Debate Commission to change the rules for the second and third Debates when I easily won last time?
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QUOTE=Pete F.;1202059]The definition of Stand-by is: readiness for duty or immediate deployment, a person or thing ready to be deployed immediately, especially if needed as backup in an emergency.

That's one of the definitions (of course, the one you would choose). Another definition is: adhere to or abide by something promised, stated, or decided. So when he asked the Proud Boys to stand back and stand by, he was asking them to stand back from the violence (and letting law enforcement do the work of keeping order) and stand by, or adhere to, the standing back.

So you'll claim that it’s actually Democrats and the left who incite racism by… bringing up racism.

I don't remember saying that, certainly not in that way. Constantly accusing people who are not racist of being racist can eventually lead to pushback.

It’s clever rhetoric — by claiming that progressives see everything as racist, then nothing ever can be.

Did I say that? It is clever. And on the surface, philosophically true. But "everything" is obviously an exaggeration. Rather, when any action, thought, or statement by a white person involving another race or person of that race is perceived as some injustice against or oppression of that person or that race, even if the action or thought or words are not about race, nor are intended to be so, nor, perhaps, even intended to be injurious, yet can be called racism, then anything a white person says or does in reference to another race can be called racism. So the word then loses any coherent meaning.

The truth is far more clear-cut.

Trump says Mexicans are rapists, that white supremacists are “very fine people,” and that Muslims don’t belong in America.

He never said any of those things. You universalize his statements or are just lying. He didn't say All Mexicans are rapists. Far from it. You persist on claiming that he said white supremacists are very fine people, but he never did. Check post #174 for his view on white supremacists. And he didn't say ALL Muslims, nor Muslims in general or per se.

He believes protesters should be roughed up,

He didn't say that. See there you go applying a universal to a particular. When you don't qualify protesters as specific ones, you deliberately imply all. And when you don't qualify a particular "protester" as also being an unruly "disrupter" who refuses to be civil or leave rather than peaceful and orderly, you imply that such a person is faultless. Perhaps he shouldn't be "roughed up," just forcefully removed--which might take some roughing up.

that majority-Black neighborhoods are dangerous,

Probably an exaggeration, depending on the meaning of dangerous. Are you claiming that most black neighborhoods are not statistically more dangerous than most white neighborhoods.

and that the exonerated Central Park Five are guilty.

They were exonerated of the rape charge, not the rest of the mayhem charges.

The president doesn’t need to yell a racial slur for us to know he’s a racist — his dog whistles relay the same message while giving himself and his supporters plausible deniability and a semblance of honesty.

#175 is the post I quoted

This dog whistle nonsense is a convenient way of not having to verify a claim. I mistakenly said post #175. I meant post #174. If you check post #174 you will have his actual words, not some mysterious dog whistles, about racism and white supremacy.

Here's a little more Proud Boy info for you
Only hours after President Donald Trump gave a debate-stage nod to the extremist group the Proud Boys he’s now claiming he doesn’t know who they are.

“I don’t know who the Proud Boys are. You’ll have to give me a definition because I really don’t know who they are,” Trump told reporters on Wednesday.

One could assume that nobody in the White House discussed this among other things re the debate with him since the event, if you are really obtuse.

However even if you accept that nobody in his political sphere said anything about his comment on the Proud Boys, his connection to his old friend, political operative Roger Stone, suggests otherwise.

Stone has long been a supporter of the violent group which describes itself as “Western chauvinists” and “anti-white guilt.”

The ADL reports that Stone has invited the groups leaders into his home, used them as private security at his events, accepted their support during his trial under the Mueller investigation and even allowed the group to share a video of him reciting their initiation mantra. “Hi, I’m Roger Stone. I’m a Western chauvinist, and I refuse to apologize for creating the modern world,” he said into the camera in a now-deleted YouTube video.

Earlier this summer, shortly before Trump commuted Stone’s prison sentence, Stone was kicked off Facebook as part of the social media giant’s investigation into the Proud Boys’ online activities. They found dozens of fictitious accounts linked to Stone which would post and comment on Proud Boys material to make it seem more popular than it is.

In addition, just last week the Honolulu Civil beat reported that Stone has endorsed Nick Ochs, founder of the Proud Boys’ Hawaii chapter, as a Republican candidate for Hawaii’s state legislature.

Stone is a close friend of the Proud Boys’ current leader Enrique Tarrio, who replaced the group’s founder Gavin McInnes. At a 2019 Trump rally in Miami, Tarrio had a high-profile seat directly behind the president where he wore a T-shirt which read “Roger Stone did nothing wrong.”
Enrique Tarrios is also head of the Florida chapter of Latinos for Trump, now given his current push in Florida with the Latin community, I would not be surprised to find that they have spoken.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, well you do prefer other peoples opinions about someone rather than what that person says. I'm not defending Proud Boys, but, like Trump, I didn't know who they are and what they are about until this nonsense about "stand back and stand by." But for a bit more balanced view, here's what they say about who they are and what they are for. https://100percentfedup.com/video-proud-boys-of-every-race-speak-out-against-the-media-driven-propaganda-calling-them-white-supremacists/

They are multi-racial being 10 to 20% non white, having black, latino, and asian members. From another source: the group’s website includes a list of core values as tenets: “Minimal Government, Maximum Freedom, Anti Political Correctness, Anti-Drug War, Closed Borders, Anti-Racial Guilt, Anti-Racism, Pro-Free Speech (1st Amendment), Pro-Gun Rights (2nd Amendment), Glorifying the Entrepreneur, Venerating the Housewife, Reinstating a Spirit of Western Chauvinism.”

Please respond to post #174. If after reading and watching it, you still claim that Trump is a white supremacist, or that he hasn't condemned them and racism, I sure would like to know why.

Just like, all the women who claim he molested, attacked or raped them are liars, just ask him.
But will he submit to a DNA test?
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Just like, all the women who claim he molested, attacked or raped them are liars, just ask him.
But will he submit to a DNA test?


You can try to do your change the subject trick to slither out of responding to something that proves your narrative wrong, but I'm not going to let you get away with that ruse this time. Here is post #174 in case you missed it or choose to ignore it. If you don't respond to it now, I'll bring it up again, and again when you refer to Trump as a racist or white supremacist and cite some "dog whistle" as proof, until you are exposed, to anyone who cares, as a blatant liar. As a refutation of your oft repeated lie that Trump is a white supremacist, racist, who has never condemned white supremacy, here is proof, not a dog whistle, PROOF that he has, and if you don't respond and fess up, I'll keep posting it:

Trump said on Aug. 14, 2017: "Racism is evil. And those who cause violence in its name are criminals and thugs, including the KKK, neo-Nazis, white supremacists, and other hate groups that are repugnant to everything we hold dear as Americans."

Trump said on Aug. 15, 2017: "I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists, because they should be condemned totally."


After nearly two dozen people were killed on Aug. 3, 2019, in a shooting at a Wal-Mart in El Paso, Trump said: “The shooter in El Paso posted a manifesto online consumed by racist hate. In one voice, our nation must condemn racism, bigotry, and white supremacy. These sinister ideologies must be defeated. Hate has no place in America. Hatred warps the mind, ravages the heart, and devours the soul. We have asked the FBI to identify all further resources they need to investigate and disrupt hate crimes and domestic terrorism — whatever they need.”

And this:
https://centipedenation.com/second-column/trump-condemned-white-supremacy-and-its-leaders-20-times/

And this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NezgooK0-mE&feature=emb_logo

You sound like him, here’s his tweet today after the debate commission said they’ll enforce the rules.

Why would I allow the Debate Commission to change the rules for the second and third Debates when I easily won last time?
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and....if biden looked so presidential and trump looked so bad, why would biden want the rules changed for the next one? he should be begging for more of that

What I’ve heard about focus groups is that Trump failed with the undecided and women in particular
The next one is a Town Hall format, maybe they’ll do it on Zoom given recent developments
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this is great....not once....many, many times Joe


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icF8EJI61P4

A little irony

Cornell study: “the President of the United States was likely the largest driver of the COVID-19 misinformation ‘infodemic’.”
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A little irony

Cornell study: “the President of the United States was likely the largest driver of the COVID-19 misinformation ‘infodemic’.”
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So do you still insist that Trump never condemned white supremacism?

A little irony

Cornell study: “the President of the United States was likely the largest driver of the COVID-19 misinformation ‘infodemic’.”
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And now his misinformation campaign has infected his camp like a plague.

2 days he knew he was infected, travelled around the country to rallies and fundraisers, and wore no mask.

He’s pretty much Lord Jeff, but to his base.

Dumbass.
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The White House is supposed to be in charge of tracing contacts at Trump's events in recent days. It appears they've done...virtually nothing.
At this point not contact tracing is a choice the White House made. It’s not even like they would need to do it themselves. They can just pick up the phone and ask the CDC to do it for them. What’s likely happening here is they don’t want to know how many people are infected.
Or they’re just totally incompetent
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The White House is supposed to be in charge of tracing contacts at Trump's events in recent days. It appears they've done...virtually nothing.
At this point not contact tracing is a choice the White House made. It’s not even like they would need to do it themselves. They can just pick up the phone and ask the CDC to do it for them. What’s likely happening here is they don’t want to know how many people are infected.
Or they’re just totally incompetent
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WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Contact tracing was put into place at the White House immediately after Trump aide Hope Hicks tested positive for coronavirus, White House press secretary Kayleigh McEnany said on Friday.

"Immediately there was contact tracing that was put into place and all of the necessary procedures," McEnany said without elaborating on when Hicks received her positive result.

She said Trump got his positive result on Thursday night and "within an hour, we put out that information to the American people."

In separate remarks to reporters, McEnany said it was considered safe for Trump to travel to his resort in Bedminster, New Jersey, for a private fundraiser on Thursday.

"It was deemed safe for the president to go. He socially distanced, it was an outdoor event and it was deemed safe by White House operations for him to attend that event," she said.

She also told reporters she was not aware that Hicks had tested positive when she held a briefing at the White House on Thursday morning.

Jason Miller, Trump's chief strategist just said the President is ready to lead on Covid because he's been through it. So for seven months he refused to lead because it didn't effect him. That is a stunning admission from the Trump campaign.

So like his taxes, Tweety and the WH staff lied and failed to inform those they deliberately exposed to a deadly virus in a vain attempt to conceal Trump was infected.
Today the Stable Genius had to go for a ride to wave at
A former Secret Service PPD detail leader, quite hesitant to say anything, says: “The job is to put your life on the line...and risk is always there, you manage it. But what we’re seeing now is unprecedented. It’s Russian Roulette....you can’t manage that.
In Tweety’s defense, many babies can’t fall asleep unless they go for a car ride.
Paid $750 in taxes, gets world-leading government funded medical care.
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Jason Miller, Trump's chief strategist just said the President is ready to lead on Covid because he's been through it. So for seven months he refused to lead because it didn't effect him. That is a stunning admission from the Trump campaign.

I don't know what he means by "lead on Covid." A lot of people have been leading on Covid, whatever that means.

Trump has done several things in his capacity as President. Fauci and Birx have done some leading in their capacity as medical experts. The governors of the states have been leading in their executive capacity of sovereign states. You seem to think the President is the one and only be all.

As I've said, you have a Progressive view. I differ. I have a constitutional view. Personally, I think your view is far more prone to error and failure. Follow, and only follow, the leader, for damn sure requires that the leader is always right, or always knows the best way.

And if Miller actually said that Trump is only now starting to "lead on Covid," you can look to his getting fired or rebuked.

So like his taxes, Tweety and the WH staff lied and failed to inform those they deliberately exposed to a deadly virus in a vain attempt to conceal Trump was infected.

The White House quickly informed the public when the President was diagnosed with COVID. Your conjecturing. To conjecture as if your saying facts, is a form of lying.

Today the Stable Genius had to go for a ride to wave at
A former Secret Service PPD detail leader, quite hesitant to say anything, says: “The job is to put your life on the line...and risk is always there, you manage it. But what we’re seeing now is unprecedented. It’s Russian Roulette....you can’t manage that.
In Tweety’s defense, many babies can’t fall asleep unless they go for a car ride.
Paid $750 in taxes, gets world-leading government funded medical care.


He was wearing a mask. But I agree that he shouldn't have put the agents at unnecessary risk, if that is what happened. Wouldn't the medical staff have arranged some sort of precautions?

And he has paid millions in various taxes, and has created sources for many millions more taxes, (employees who pay taxes, retail taxes, property taxes, sales taxes), and has legally taken whatever deductions his accountants have found. He paid a lot more income tax when he made profits, and far less when he didn't, and got rebates when he lost. So get off the stupid $750 bit.

Sure the White House is right on top of the situation, just a little late.
White House staff just got an email telling them not to come to work if they have symptoms. If they develop them, they’re told to go home and contact their primary care provider. “Staff should not go to the White House Medical Unit clinic for any Covid-19 testing inquiries.”
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He was wearing a mask. But I agree that he shouldn't have put the agents at unnecessary risk, if that is what happened. Wouldn't the medical staff have arranged some sort of precautions?

And he has paid millions in various taxes, and has created sources for many millions more taxes, (employees who pay taxes, retail taxes, property taxes, sales taxes), and has legally taken whatever deductions his accountants have found. He paid a lot more income tax when he made profits, and far less when he didn't, and got rebates when he lost. So get off the stupid $750 bit.

Never
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Never


You're as stubbornly and mindlessly repetitive as Poe's Raven.

Don the Con will never change
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Don the Con will never change
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Nor will Pete F the Con stop repeating BS.

So now that we know he’s fine, let’s go back to discussing his tax evasion, the billion he owes (to who) and sexual assault claims against him.
After all he’s currently receiving socialized medical care.
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So now that we know he’s fine, let’s go back to discussing his tax evasion, the billion he owes (to who) and sexual assault claims against him.
After all he’s currently receiving socialized medical care.
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Crony capitalist health care. Free market health care would be a lot cheaper.

That’s an interesting take on Walter Reed National Military Medical Center.
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That’s an interesting take on Walter Reed National Military Medical Center.
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Funding and running military operations by the government is not socialistic. The government in all capitalist countries is in charge of the military, its care, and its operation.

The medical staff was educated in crony capital colleges and universities. The medical equipment, and medicines were built by profit making crony capitalist companies.

Funding and running military operations by the government is not socialistic. The government in all capitalist countries is in charge of the military, its care, and its operation.

The medical staff was educated in crony capital colleges and universities. The medical equipment, and medicines were built by profit making crony capitalist companies.
Most governments, are in charge of the military, its care, its operation and other functions that the people in charge choose.
In your simple world, what would replace all the cronyism and how would it be prevented from occurring?
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Most governments, are in charge of the military, its care, its operation and other functions that the people in charge choose.
In your simple world, what would replace all the cronyism and how would it be prevented from occurring?


You said he received socialized medical care. Socialized medicine is defined as "the provision of medical and hospital care for all by means of public funds."

Walter Reed Hospital does not provide medical and hospital care "for all." It is for military personnel and Presidents and their family. It has nothing to do with socialism or socialized medicine or socialized medical care. Capitalist systems generally provide service for military personnel. It is neither Capitalism nor socialism. It is military, which is its own ism.

But it depends on for profit entities to provide personnel and equipment. By and large, those entities are large, corporatist companies which are in a crony relation with government, as well as universities which have transformed into corporate like entities that focus on expanding their base and student body, and enlarging their income, and which, like crony capitalist hospitals, place more power in administration than in the hands of the teachers and doctors. And both corporations and universities must satisfy government demands and ideology or face debilitating regulations, so settle into crony relations with government.

And I've already discussed free market vs. highly government regulated market with you. . . to no avail. In your complicated world, government must dictate. Rather than protecting the free market, government must regulate it, and the more the better. And it especially must provide health care. Otherwise, it won't work

I wasn't getting into your question "what would replace all the cronyism and how would it be prevented from occurring?" I simply made the unimportant point that Trump was not getting socialized medical care.

Got way more than he paid for
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Got way more than he paid for
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Most patients do. And Trump has payed millions in taxes. Not all of it in one year.

Most patients do. And Trump has payed millions in taxes. Not all of it in one year.

Apparently you've seen his taxes?

Trump won’t disclose his taxes. We all know why. They are full of bad information. Keep that in mind when you consider that he’s now refusing to disclose information about his medical condition & Covid test results.

Apparently you've seen his taxes?

Apparently you have?

Trump won’t disclose his taxes. We all know why. They are full of bad information. Keep that in mind when you consider that he’s now refusing to disclose information about his medical condition & Covid test results.

Who's "we all"? Apparently it does not include half the people. I'll keep in mind a whole lot of stuff. Including how you bend and twist conjectures, insinuations, and implications, into your mirage of what is supposed to be the truth.

[QUOTE=detbuch;1202396]Who's "we all"? Apparently it does not include half the people. QUOTE]

I’m pretty sure the irs saw trumps taxes....if he did something wrong I’m sure he’ll get one of those letters
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Pretty sure he’s trying to not repay 70+M that is hung up in joint committee plus penalties
He’s upside down across the board and his current reality tv show won’t save him
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Pretty sure he’s trying to not repay 70+M that is hung up in joint committee plus penalties
He’s upside down across the board and his current reality tv show won’t save him
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"Pretty sure," in your complex universe of various innuendos, is good enough.

[QUOTE=detbuch;1202396]Who's "we all"? Apparently it does not include half the people. QUOTE]

I’m pretty sure the irs saw trumps taxes....if he did something wrong I’m sure he’ll get one of those letters
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I’m pretty sure if he didn’t commit tax fraud, he still did a lot wrong, you don’t file so many bankruptcy’s or end up paying the equivalent of a health care premium year after year without being a complete business failure.

I’m pretty sure if he didn’t commit tax fraud, he still did a lot wrong, you don’t file so many bankruptcy’s or end up paying the equivalent of a health care premium year after year without being a complete business failure.

You don’t end up with trumps property portfolio etc by being a complete business failure.
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I’m pretty sure if he didn’t commit tax fraud, he still did a lot wrong, you don’t file so many bankruptcy’s or end up paying the equivalent of a health care premium year after year without being a complete business failure.

You're pretty sure? Here's this from an Oct. 4, 2016 WAPOST article:

"Donald Trump might have been able to avoid paying taxes on as much as $916 million in income over an 18-year period, according to documents the New York Times published over the weekend. The figure is a sensational one, but the Republican presidential nominee would be far from the only real-estate magnate to find ways of exploiting the rules to cancel tax bills.

The average firm in real estate development pays just over 1 percent of its income in taxes, according to data compiled by Aswath Damodaran, a professor at New York University."

You're pretty sure? Here's this from an Oct. 4, 2016 WAPOST article:

"Donald Trump might have been able to avoid paying taxes on as much as $916 million in income over an 18-year period, according to documents the New York Times published over the weekend. The figure is a sensational one, but the Republican presidential nominee would be far from the only real-estate magnate to find ways of exploiting the rules to cancel tax bills.

The average firm in real estate development pays just over 1 percent of its income in taxes, according to data compiled by Aswath Damodaran, a professor at New York University."

He has spent his business life f*cking over people, you do know that very few get paid in bankruptcy, he has continued in his MO, but your his local cheerleader.

"Pretty sure," in your complex universe of various innuendos, is good enough.

Your beliefs are based on Tweety’s statements that........
and his prior behavior indicates that how?
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He has spent his business life f*cking over people, you do know that very few get paid in bankruptcy, he has continued in his MO, but your his local cheerleader.

If he had "spent his business life" effing over people, he would have had a short business life and never made it to the presidency. In light of the revelation that the average firm in real estate development pays just over 1 percent of its income in taxes, I assume you had no facts to back up what you were "pretty sure" of that how little he paid in income taxes meant he was a complete business failure.

As for his bankruptcies, he never filed for personal bankruptcy. All were chapter 11, business reorganization. From American Bankruptcy Institute "it can often be said that a Chapter 11 bankruptcy is in the best interests of the business and in no way a reflection of a poorly run company. PolitiFact took a look at all four of Trump’s Chapter 11 bankruptcies and determined that they were a result of business struggles largely beyond the billionaire-turned-presidential-candidate’s control."

Politifacts actual words were "much was out of Trump’s control -- such as a struggling casino industry. But Trump is certainly not blameless."

So his business history is not as bleak and corrupt as you paint it. Especially considering that he currently has several properties and enterprises that are operating successfully.

But I'm pretty sure, that you're pretty sure, that Trump is a corrupt tax and business cheat that effs over everyone he comes in contact with and will destroy America . . . because you say so.

Decent chance McConnell suckered Trump into pulling the plug on stimulus. Party is in bust out mode. McC likely sees that Trump is finished, probably senate majority too. Get the Court seat and leave the economy as wrecked as possible to ensure a Biden admin is stillborn.
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Decent chance McConnell suckered Trump into pulling the plug on stimulus. Party is in bust out mode. McC likely sees that Trump is finished, probably senate majority too. Get the Court seat and leave the economy as wrecked as possible to ensure a Biden admin is stillborn.


It's a good plan.

If he had "spent his business life" effing over people, he would have had a short business life and never made it to the presidency. In light of the revelation that the average firm in real estate development pays just over 1 percent of its income in taxes, I assume you had no facts to back up what you were "pretty sure" of that how little he paid in income taxes meant he was a complete business failure.

As for his bankruptcies, he never filed for personal bankruptcy. All were chapter 11, business reorganization. From American Bankruptcy Institute "it can often be said that a Chapter 11 bankruptcy is in the best interests of the business and in no way a reflection of a poorly run company. PolitiFact took a look at all four of Trump’s Chapter 11 bankruptcies and determined that they were a result of business struggles largely beyond the billionaire-turned-presidential-candidate’s control."

Politifacts actual words were "much was out of Trump’s control -- such as a struggling casino industry. But Trump is certainly not blameless."

So his business history is not as bleak and corrupt as you paint it. Especially considering that he currently has several properties and enterprises that are operating successfully.

But I'm pretty sure, that you're pretty sure, that Trump is a corrupt tax and business cheat that effs over everyone he comes in contact with and will destroy America . . . because you say so.

Your in denial I get it, just because he acquired property and wealth, he did it walking over the backs of contractors, businesses and lenders he f*cked along the way. Your bar for success is really low, I would never consider a man who filed four bankruptcy’s and pays less tax (you do realize that is a reflection of how badly he is doing) than the average Americans monthly heath care premium.

Your in denial I get it, just because he acquired property and wealth, he did it walking over the backs of contractors, businesses and lenders he f*cked along the way. Your bar for success is really low, I would never consider a man who filed four bankruptcy’s and pays less tax (you do realize that is a reflection of how badly he is doing) than the average Americans monthly heath care premium.
You also forgot the part about grown up with a silver spoon in his mouth and how he tricked his failing father into shorting the rest of the family out of his fortune...all before screwing up most of his businesses.

I’m truly in awe watching the master of the Art of the Deal at work.

Negotiating with himself, late into the night on twitter while on mania inducing drugs. Who knows what his next offer will be. I’m on the edge of my seat.

You also forgot the part about grown up with a silver spoon in his mouth and how he tricked his failing father into shorting the rest of the family out of his fortune...all before screwing up most of his businesses.

wow,,,so bitter

Negotiating with myself, late into the night on SB while on mania inducing drugs. Who knows what my next post will be. I’m on the edge of my seat.



:rotf2:

Your in denial I get it, just because he acquired property and wealth, he did it walking over the backs of contractors, businesses and lenders he f*cked along the way. Your bar for success is really low, I would never consider a man who filed four bankruptcy’s and pays less tax (you do realize that is a reflection of how badly he is doing) than the average Americans monthly heath care premium.

Being "pretty sure" allows your self to just say stuff.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5C76XMCJCVs

Your in denial I get it, just because he acquired property and wealth, he did it walking over the backs of contractors, businesses and lenders he f*cked along the way. Your bar for success is really low, I would never consider a man who filed four bankruptcy’s and pays less tax (you do realize that is a reflection of how badly he is doing) than the average Americans monthly heath care premium.

And then got elected president😁
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Greatest Con man ever

Seated at the breakfast table, scanning the New York Times story on Trump’s taxes, I said to my husband, “We have a greater net worth than Donald Trump.” He knitted his brow.

I was thinking of a story that Samantha Bee found a while back. It was from the 2003 documentary Born Rich, in which Ivanka Trump shared this memory of the family’s financial troubles from the 1980s and 1990s:

I remember once my father and I were walking down Fifth Avenue and there was a homeless person sitting right outside of Trump Tower and I remember my father pointing to him and saying, ‘You know, that guy has $8 billion more than me,’ because he was in such extreme debt at that point, you know?

In 2020, despite the dazzling success of The Apprentice, in which NBC was able to portray the failing and flailing trust fund boy as a business genius and earned Trump the first real money of his life (apart from his inheritance), Trump again seems to be worth less than the homeless guy on the street, at least in financial terms.

The New York Times reporting suggests that Donald Trump owes something like $400 million to creditors. Much of that debt—personally guaranteed by Trump—is coming due in the next four years. Pause on the irony: Only by pretending to be a successful business tycoon on TV did Trump actually achieve business success—to the tune of $427 million (including licensing deals). Yet, even with a windfall like that, he managed to lose it, and is facing a serious financial crisis in the near future. And pause for a minute on this coincidence: $400 million (in today’s dollars) is almost exactly the amount he is said to have inherited from his father. Trump always characterized this as a “small loan of a million dollars.” Had he merely invested that fortune in a stock index fund, he would be worth upwards of $30 billion today.

Instead, he invested in a series of flamboyant flops: Trump steaks, Trump vodka, Trump airlines, the Trump Taj Mahal, Trump magazine, Trump the boardgame, Trump mortgage, Trump University, and on and on. Did he have successes? Sure, his books hawking his pretend business skills were best-sellers. The Miss Universe pageant in Moscow earned him a couple million. Some of his real estate investments continue to throw off income. But it’s significant that his most sound investments are in properties owned and managed by others.

With Trump calling the shots and making the executive decisions, the ventures that haven’t already gone belly up are hemorrhaging cash. Insert moral for the nation here.

But surely, the average Fox News watcher must be asking, a titan with his assets shouldn’t have any trouble paying off those loans, right? The Times stories haven’t shed light on his net worth. He may have properties he can sell. But it appears that most of his assets are golf courses and resorts that are being hammered by coronavirus. On net, Mar-a-Lago, Doral, Turnberry, the Trump International Hotel in D.C., and others have lost vastly more money than they have generated over the past decade—even before the virus struck. That’s why he has paid no income taxes in forever.

Now the question that arises after every Trump revelation: Will it matter? Will it affect Trump’s image at all? Hard to say. The Trump fan base is unlike anything I’ve seen in more than 30 years of observing American politics. But I venture to say that this is not like the Stormy Daniels payoff. With a few exceptions, the Christians who supported Trump weren’t misled into thinking he was a good or even a minimally decent man. They knew what he was and gave their assent. He delivered the judges and policies they liked, and no revelation about his character will alter the contours of that bargain.

Build the wall fanatics will not be swayed either—even though they didn’t collect on their side of the deal. Their attachment to Trump has hardened since 2016 into something like worship, and they will accept it if he tells them the Times story is fake news.

Trump has made exactly this accusation, while also claiming that the Times obtained their information illegally. As Sarah Isgur pointed out, it’s logically impossible for the White House spin to be true. It can’t be both fake and a legal violation. If it’s a made up story, then no one broke any laws. It’s only a legal violation if these are indeed his tax returns—and it would be the leaker, not the New York Times, that would be potentially liable.

People whose driving motive is fear and loathing of the left will not stumble over this news either, even if they have to convince themselves that Joe Biden is secretly taking orders from Raul Castro.

But there are other voters for whom the image of Trump as successful was key to his appeal. A 2019 survey found that 54 percent of Americans believed Donald Trump had been a business success. Other polls conducted between 2016 and 2018 found that many Americans were unaware that Trump was not self-made. Belief in his up-by-the-bootstraps myth accounted for a 5 point boost in his popularity according to one study.

Beyond admiration for what they mistakenly thought was business acumen, many were taken with the idea that because Trump was so rich, he was incorruptible. “He has so much money but he’s waking up every morning to campaign. He deeply cares about America,” John Friedlander of Washington, D.C. explained to the BBC in 2016. A voter from Pennsylvania said, “I believe Trump will be a good president because he knows how to make deals, deals that will make America prosperous again.” Many agreed with Trump’s own claim that he was so rich he couldn’t be bought. In her focus groups with women who voted for Trump in 2016, Sarah Longwell often hears that his image as a mega-successful businessman was a key reason they pulled the lever for him (second only to disliking Hillary Clinton).

Now what? If Trump were to be reelected, he would face a reckoning on a mountain of debt. Not only is he not too rich to be bought, he may well be too poor to turn anyone away. Doubtless, there would be sovereign wealth funds from places like Qatar and oligarchs from precincts like Russia and China who would be ready, in exchange for favorable U.S. policies, to help Trump retire that debt. Because Trump has been so dishonest and so opaque about his business dealings, the American people might never know what was exchanged. Trump speaks to Putin frequently, and permits no notes.

No person with even a fraction of Trump’s indebtedness would be granted a security clearance in the U.S. government. Mark Zaid, a lawyer who represents many in the national security field, recounts that one client was denied a clearance due to excess student loan debt.

There are voters out there who voted for Trump once but are not now and never were part of the Trump cult. Because they gave their support provisionally, they have no emotional investment in proving that they were right and the Trump critics were wrong. How many are there? We are about to find out. Even a small percentage could make all the difference.

Mona Charen

And then got elected president😁
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Well I attribute that to three things, Hilary, FBI coming out late in the game with an announcement and then there are the minions who were tricked into thinking this guy was actually going to do something.

Well I attribute that to three things, Hilary, FBI coming out late in the game with an announcement and then there are the minions who were tricked into thinking this guy was actually going to do something.

I attribute it to he was the much better choice.

So let’s ask again: who made it possible for Deutsche Bank to loan Donald Trump personally $421 million after his business ventures hemorrhaged billions over three decades?
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