This timeline provides a look at the key inflection points in the crucial ten-week period where the United States lost the ability to effectively respond to the virus that is causing unprecedented death and economic destruction.

JAN. 3, 2020
CDC is first alerted to a public health event in Wuhan Province, China.
Per HHS Secretary Alex Azar in Press Q&A.

JAN. 10, 2020
Former Trump Advisor: "We face a global health threat...*new* kind of coronavirus. Coordinate!"
Former Trump Homeland Security Advisor Tom Bossert urges action on COVID-19.

JAN. 18, 2020
Azar can't get through to Trump to speak with him about the virus until Jan. 18. Trump redirects conversation to vaping.
Washington Post: Secretary of Health and Human Services Alex Azar struggles to get through to Trump about the threat of COVID;

JAN. 20, 2020
"The first human infection with new coronavirus has been reported in the U.S."
CDC

JAN. 21, 2020
"VIRUS" "China virus kills six; 300 infected..."
Conservative media begins to sound the alarm, with the Drudge Report running “VIRUS” as a banner headline.

JAN. 21, 2020
"This is an evolving situation and again, we do expect additional cases in the United States"
The CDC’s Nancy Messonnier announces in a briefing that more cases are expected in the United States.

JAN. 22, 2020
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"We have it totally under control. It's one person coming in from China."
On CNBC’s “Squawk Box,” Trump dismisses the possibility of a coming pandemic.

JANUARY 2020
Intelligence agencies began warning Trump Admin that China wasn't being honest about the scale of the crisis as early as January.
Washington Post:

JAN. 24, 2020
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"The US greatly appreciates China's efforts and transparency. I want to thank President Xi!"
Trump tweets a thanks to China and President Xi “on behalf of the American people”

JAN. 27, 2020
Joe Biden: Short-sighted Trump has left us unprepared for a dangerous epidemic
Biden op-ed on how Trump’s actions have hampered the U.S. ability to respond to coronavirus.

JAN. 28, 2020
Former Trump Admin Officials: "Act Now to Prevent an American Epidemic"
Scott Gottlieb and Luciana Borio op-ed in the Wall Street Journal offer 4-point plan to prepare for COVID-19

JAN. 29, 2020
Multiple news reports published on the need to address mask hoarding and shortages.
New York Times, The Atlantic

JAN. 28, 2020
Trump Admin Public Health Officials Begin Dire "Red Dawn" Email Chain discussing threat.
New York Times

JAN. 29, 2020
GOP Senator Tom Cotton Privately Warns Trump About Coronavirus Threat
From National Review article on the Senator who saw the virus coming.

FEB. 2, 2020
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"Well we pretty much shut it down coming in from China...Getting along with China. Getting along with Russia."
In an interview with Sean Hannity, Trump dismisses any threat from COVID-19.

FEB. 2, 2020
The Trump administration restricts travel from China for immigrants and noncitizens.
This was not a travel ban as Trump claims. Americans continue to fly between the countries.

FEB. 3, 2020
“If we take strong measures now, we may be able to blunt the impact of the virus on the United States”
Public health officials around the world prepare for “social distancing” measures.

FEB. 3, 2020
Fox News host Tucker Carlson begins covering COVID seriously after a friend with "access to intelligence" informs him of the extent of the threat.
Fox News

FEB. 4, 2020
"It’s time to start testing more people, even if they haven’t visited China or been in contact with someone infected"
In the Wall Street Journal, Former Trump Officials Scott Gottlieb & Luciana Borio urge the administration to expand testing, provide more protective equipment, and accelerate vaccine development.

FEB. 5, 2020
HHS Secretary Alex Azar requests $2 billion for respirator masks and other supplies. Trump officials balk, wait weeks, then ask for only $500 million.
Washington Post

FEB. 5, 2020
"Just left the Administration briefing on Coronavirus. Bottom line: they aren't taking this seriously enough...Local health systems need supplies, training, screening staff etc. And they need it now."
Senator Chris Murphy (D-CT) tweet

FEB. 7, 2020
Mike Pompeo announces that the Trump Administration is sending 17.8 tons of medical supplies to China.
State Department Press Release.

FEB. 10, 2020
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“A lot of people think that goes away in April with the heat—as the heat comes in.”
At a White House press conference, Trump suggests that COVID will go away as the weather gets warmer.

FEB. 20, 2020
Former Trump Officials Gottlieb & Borio urge expanded testing and increased vigilance against COVID.
Wall Street Journal op-ed

FEB. 23, 2020
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"President Xi loves his country. He’s working very hard to solve the problem and he will solve the problem. Okay?"
Trump defends the performance of Chinese President Xi Jinping at a press conference.

FEB. 23, 2020
Harvard School of Public Health official Michael Mina issues a warning on limited COVID tests and the lack of transparency on testing failures.
Twitter

FEB. 24, 2020
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"Coronavirus very much under control...Stock Market starting to look very good to me!"
Trump Tweet.

Note: The Dow Jones was at 27,960 that day. It has dropped as low as 18,591.

FEB 24, 2020
"You should seriously consider buying these {stock market} dips."
Trump’s top economic advisor Larry Kudlow

FEB. 24, 2020
Dr. Robert Kadlec at HHS requests urgent COVID task force meeting with POTUS to provide social distancing recommendations.
Meeting is cancelled. President did not make social distancing recommendations until 3/16, 21 days later.

FEB. 25, 2020
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"Cryin Chuck Schumer is complaining...that I should be asking for more money than $2.5 Billion to prepare for Coronavirus
Trump requests $1.8-2.5 billion for COVID response, mocks Democrats for saying more is needed.

FEB. 25, 2020
CDC Expert Nancy Messonnier: "Disruption to everyday life might be severe."
Messonnier warns Americans to start preparing for school and business closures in response to the virus. Trump reportedly shouted at his staffers in response to the warning, complaining that she was scaring people.

FEB. 26, 2020
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"When you have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero, that’s a pretty good job we’ve done"
Trump press conference

FEB. 27, 2020
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"It's gonna disappear one day, it's like a miracle, it will disappear"
Trump press conference

FEB. 29, 2020
First COVID-19 death in United States
A Washington state man in his 50s became the first person to die from COVID in the United States.

MAR. 4, 2020
The Department of Health and Human Services stated that they had only about 1% of the respirators needed for a full-blown pandemic.
HHS statement to CNBC

MAR. 4, 2020
Trump ally Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-FL) wears gas mask on house floor to mock those expressing concerns about the coming pandemic.
Within a few days, Gaetz is under quarantine and has one of his constituents die of COVID.

MAR. 4, 2020
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"President Xi is working very, very hard in China...Their numbers have gotten much better with respect to the coronavirus, very much better"
Trump again praises China’s President Xi on his performance fighting COVID.

MAR. 6, 2020
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"I’ve heard the numbers are getting much better in China, but I hear the numbers are getting much better in Italy"
Trump states that the number of COVID cases are going down in both China and Italy. Note: China has faced widespread skepticism over its reported numbers, and in early March Italy’s cases were beginning to skyrocket.

MAR. 6, 2020
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"I like this stuff. I really get it... Every one of these doctors said, ‘How do you know so much about this?’ Maybe I have a natural ability."
Trump during a tour of the CDC in Atlanta.

MAR. 6, 2020
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“I didn’t know people died from the flu.”
A Trump remark during a tour of the CDC in Atlanta.

MAR. 6, 2020
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“I don't need to have the numbers double because of one ship that wasn't our fault...I'd rather have them stay on, personally.”
Trump suggests that he doesn’t want Americans sickened by COVID on a cruise to return the United States, because it would make the numbers of infected in the country look worse.

MAR. 6, 2020
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“Anybody who wants a test gets a test.”
Trump lies about test availability during a tour of the CDC in Atlanta. Note: On this date just 1911 tests were conducted in the whole country.

MAR. 6, 2020
"We don't have enough tests today to meet what we anticipate will be the demand going forward"
Vice President Pence.

MAR. 7, 2020
Conservative journalist Tucker Carlson flies to Mar-a-Lago to implore Trump to take the coronavirus threat more seriously in private.
Vanity Fair.

MAR. 9, 2020
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"So last year 37,000 Americans died from the common Flu. It averages between 27,000 and 70,000 per year. Nothing is shut down, life & the economy go on."
Trump tweets a comparison to seasonal flu.

MAR. 9, 2020
"People you voted for have spent weeks minimizing what is clearly a very serious problem. It's definitely not just the flu."
Tucker Carlson obliquely criticizes Trump in his opening monologue.

MAR. 9, 2020
"It’s now or never for the U.S. if it hopes to keep coronavirus from burning out of control"
Tom Bossert, Former Homeland Security advisor for Trump, urges swift and aggressive action against the virus to prevent catastrophe.

MAR. 10, 2020
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"It will go away. Just stay calm. It will go away."
Trump remarks during a press conference.

MAR. 10, 2020
"Viruses that spread like this tend to spread more. In certain communities at-risk people need to listen to social distancing recommendations. "
CDC official Nancy Messonnier sounds the alarm again.

MAR. 10, 2020
"A looming shortage in lab materials is threatening to delay coronavirus test results and cause officials to undercount the number of Americans with the virus"
POLITICO reports that US testing is threatened by lab material shortages

MAR. 11, 2020
"Tom Hanks and Rita Wilson have contracted the virus. An NBA player has it. Stock market futures plunge again. The NBA season is canceled."
The scope and severity of the crisis becomes tangible.

MAR. 11, 2020
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“If we get rid of the coronavirus problem quickly, we won’t need [economic] stimulus.”
Trump minimizes the potential economic impact at a press conference.

MAR. 12, 2020
House Democrats propose additional economic stimulus to address crisis
Initial package.

MAR. 12, 2020
“The bottom line is it’s going to get worse...the number could go way up and be involved in many, many millions"
Remarks from Anthony Fauci, head of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, as the US death toll reaches 37.

MAR. 13, 2020
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"I don't take responsibility at all."
Trump’s remarks at a White House Rose Garden press conference.

MAR. 20, 2020
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Jared Kushner said it was on this date that he began to "build a team" to address the logistics of the COVID-19 crisis.
Trump Press Conference

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You're quotes by Trump are selected out of broader contexts. And many were off the cuff remarks that reflected the general consensus being narrated by WHO, the Dems, the MSM, as well. Pasting them all together as a timeline without also inserting them within "the big picture" is obviously meant to slant against Trump.

And some points are misleading such as saying the travel ban was not a travel ban. It absolutely was a ban, as it stated, on foreign nationals, and the Americans that were still "traveling" were basically those who were returning from China.

Several bullet points were actually failures of the federal administrative agencies to be appropriately stocked before Trump was elected, as well and even more telling, failures of State and local agencies to have maintained supplies and readiness,exemplified by New York where a great percentage of the outbreak has occurred. And the testing delays were directly attributable the failure of the CDC to create test kits when it tried to invent a better test than was already being used by other countries and WHO, and the created kits were faulty so were returned after sparse use until the CDC finally, sort of, got it right. The delays in kits, and supplies was a failure of the whole entrenched bureaucracy at all levels of government. Trump had to lead the effort to correct that failure, which pretty much has happened.

Bitchslappedboy is just crying wolf like he did during the Impeachmas hoax. Empty barrels ring loudest as you may notice. He is just a liberal fool with nothing better to do than repeat #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^& talking points.
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Bitchslappedboy is just crying wolf like he did during the Impeachmas hoax. Empty barrels ring loudest as you may notice. He is just a liberal fool with nothing better to do than repeat #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^& talking points.
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Yet, you lack the intelligence to debate anyone. You are a vile (vial) scummy person.

Given all that info that we had back in January, can we agree that one thing Trump did, was restrict travel from China? And Joe Biden came out against that, said it was an overreaction, so he wouldn't have even done that.

Good thing Biden wasn't in charge. Right? Otherwise, this is just an exercise in bashing Trump, not an exercise that cares at all about truth.

Given all that info that we had back in January, can we agree that one thing Trump did, was restrict travel from China? And Joe Biden came out against that, said it was an overreaction, so he wouldn't have even done that.

Good thing Biden wasn't in charge. Right? Otherwise, this is just an exercise in bashing Trump, not an exercise that cares at all about truth.
I think you managed to get everything wrong.
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Yet, you lack the intelligence to debate anyone. You are a vile (vial) scummy person.

Thanks for sharing PaulS.
You can rest easy now.
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You're quotes by Trump are selected out of broader contexts. And many were off the cuff remarks that reflected the general consensus being narrated by WHO, the Dems, the MSM, as well. Pasting them all together as a timeline without also inserting them within "the big picture" is obviously meant to slant against Trump.

Do you need a book?
They are not "out of context".
The quotes certainly show the tone of Trump*s statements regarding Covid-19 during that time period.
The invalid Trumplican excuse of "off the cuff" is very weak and does not excuse his speech anymore than it did any previous occupant of the Oval Office.
You could point out quotes or statements of his from that time that contradict them.

And some points are misleading such as saying the travel ban was not a travel ban. It absolutely was a ban, as it stated, on foreign nationals, and the Americans that were still "traveling" were basically those who were returning from China.


Unfortunately, Trump* thought just as he did in 2014 that all you had to do was stop flights and everything would be OK
Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump Oct 7, 2014
Despite the ever increasing Ebola disaster, Obama refuses to stop flights from West Africa.It's almost like he's saying F-you to U.S. public

Flights were never stopped from West Africa in 2014 but Ebola did not come here or spread thru the world, did it?

30 thousand people returned from China in the month before he stopped foreigners from coming to the US from China, thousand of citizens and legal residents came in the month after and the traffic only stopped because the airlines stopped servicing the routes.

Several bullet points were actually failures of the federal administrative agencies to be appropriately stocked before Trump was elected, (How many years have to go by before the current president is responsible? Does this work for leaders of organizations outside of government also? How many CEO's get away with that?) as well and even more telling, failures of State and local agencies to have maintained supplies and readiness,exemplified by New York where a great percentage of the outbreak has occurred. Should they maintain standing armies also and the needed armament to prepare for being invaded? Just who is the National Stockpile for anyways, maybe you could explain that. And the testing delays were directly attributable the failure of the CDC to create test kits when it tried to invent a better test than was already being used by other countries and WHO, and the created kits were faulty so were returned after sparse use until the CDC finally, sort of, got it right. The delays in kits, and supplies was a failure of the whole entrenched bureaucracy at all levels of government. Trump had to lead the effort to correct that failure, which pretty much has happened.

Trump*failed to lead the CDC's effort by any measure. Leading the Executive branch responsible for managing the day to day operations of the Federal Government is his job. He volunteered for it, campaigned for it, accepted it and took the oath. He hasn't done it.
He has lead his blaming brigade every minute he has been on the air for weeks, in blaming and shuffling off responsibility anywhere possible.

I have noticed that Fox News and the president no longer love the hydroxychloroquine. Perhaps the president and his propaganda arm should stop handing out medical advice?

The longer we pretend that Trump* isn’t mentally ill, the more devastation we’re going to experience.

Given all that info that we had back in January, can we agree that one thing Trump did, was restrict travel from China? And Joe Biden came out against that, said it was an overreaction, so he wouldn't have even done that.

Good thing Biden wasn't in charge. Right? Otherwise, this is just an exercise in bashing Trump, not an exercise that cares at all about truth.

Truth is what you claim?

Trump*s travel ban was on what date?
Azar declared a public health emergency for the novel coronavirus on Jan. 31, and announced the travel restrictions to and from China, effective Feb. 2.
Isn't that correct?
Biden wrote an Op-ed in USA today on January 27th and espoused the same talking points again at a political event within hours of Azar's announcement.

"The possibility of a pandemic is a challenge Donald Trump is unqualified to handle as president. I remember how Trump sought to stoke fear and stigma during the 2014 Ebola epidemic. He called President Barack Obama a “dope” and “incompetent” and railed against the evidence-based response our administration put in place — which quelled the crisis and saved hundreds of thousands of lives — in favor of reactionary travel bans that would only have made things worse. He advocated abandoning exposed and infected American citizens rather than bringing them home for treatment.

Trump’s demonstrated failures of judgment and his repeated rejection of science make him the worst possible person to lead our country through a global health challenge.

The outbreak of a new coronavirus, which has already infected more than 2,700 people and killed over 80 in China, will get worse before it gets better. Cases have been confirmed in a dozen countries, with at least five in the United States. There will likely be more.

Diseases don't stop at borders or walls
The State Department has scheduled an evacuation flight and advised Americans against traveling to Hubei province, the epicenter of the outbreak, and is evacuating non-essential personnel.

Trump has blithely tweeted that “it will all work out well.” Yet the steps he has taken as president have only weakened our capacity to respond.

Trump has rolled back much of the progress President Obama and I made to strengthen global health security. He proposed draconian cuts to the National Institutes of Health (NIH), the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and the Agency for International Development — the very agencies we need to fight this outbreak and prevent future ones.

He dismissed the top White House official in charge of global health security and dismantled the entire team. And he has treated with utmost contempt institutions that facilitate international cooperation, thus undermining the global efforts that keep us safe from pandemics and biological attacks.

To be blunt, I am concerned that the Trump administration’s shortsighted policies have left us unprepared for a dangerous epidemic that will come sooner or later.

Pandemic diseases are a prime example of why international cooperation is a requirement of leadership in 2020. Diseases do not stop at borders. They cannot be thwarted by building a wall. We cannot keep ourselves safe without helping to keep others safe as well and without enlisting the help of other nations in return. And here’s the truth — the United States must step forward to lead these efforts, because no other nation has the resources, the reach or the relationships to marshal an effective international response."

Given all that info that we had back in January, can we agree that one thing Trump did, was restrict travel from China? And Joe Biden came out against that, said it was an overreaction, so he wouldn't have even done that.

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Doing that was so minor it was like praising Hussain for making a US squad briefly withdraw during the Iraqi war.

There are so many things he ignored and lied about since that the totality paints a damning picture of someone so unprepared for the job (which is what everyone has been saying since the election).

Thank goodness we have experts here to guide our president if the need arises.👍🏽
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Truth is what you claim?

Trump*s travel ban was on what date?
Azar declared a public health emergency for the novel coronavirus on Jan. 31, and announced the travel restrictions to and from China, effective Feb. 2.
Isn't that correct?
Biden wrote an Op-ed in USA today on January 27th and espoused the same talking points again at a political event within hours of Azar's announcement.

"The possibility of a pandemic is a challenge Donald Trump is unqualified to handle as president. I remember how Trump sought to stoke fear and stigma during the 2014 Ebola epidemic. He called President Barack Obama a “dope” and “incompetent” and railed against the evidence-based response our administration put in place — which quelled the crisis and saved hundreds of thousands of lives — in favor of reactionary travel bans that would only have made things worse. He advocated abandoning exposed and infected American citizens rather than bringing them home for treatment.

Trump’s demonstrated failures of judgment and his repeated rejection of science make him the worst possible person to lead our country through a global health challenge.

The outbreak of a new coronavirus, which has already infected more than 2,700 people and killed over 80 in China, will get worse before it gets better. Cases have been confirmed in a dozen countries, with at least five in the United States. There will likely be more.

Diseases don't stop at borders or walls
The State Department has scheduled an evacuation flight and advised Americans against traveling to Hubei province, the epicenter of the outbreak, and is evacuating non-essential personnel.

Trump has blithely tweeted that “it will all work out well.” Yet the steps he has taken as president have only weakened our capacity to respond.

Trump has rolled back much of the progress President Obama and I made to strengthen global health security. He proposed draconian cuts to the National Institutes of Health (NIH), the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and the Agency for International Development — the very agencies we need to fight this outbreak and prevent future ones.

He dismissed the top White House official in charge of global health security and dismantled the entire team. And he has treated with utmost contempt institutions that facilitate international cooperation, thus undermining the global efforts that keep us safe from pandemics and biological attacks.

To be blunt, I am concerned that the Trump administration’s shortsighted policies have left us unprepared for a dangerous epidemic that will come sooner or later.

Pandemic diseases are a prime example of why international cooperation is a requirement of leadership in 2020. Diseases do not stop at borders. They cannot be thwarted by building a wall. We cannot keep ourselves safe without helping to keep others safe as well and without enlisting the help of other nations in return. And here’s the truth — the United States must step forward to lead these efforts, because no other nation has the resources, the reach or the relationships to marshal an effective international response."

"Truth is what you claim?"

Here's what I claimed:

One, Trump restricted travel from China, I believe in late January.

Two, Biden claimed that was an over-reaction and racist (therefore, safe to say Biden wouldn't have done it).

Three, Trump haters are saying he didn't do enough. If Trump didn't do enough, and Biden (at the time) wouldn't have done what Trump did, that mean Biden would have done less.

If Trump ordered schools and businesses locked down in January, the left would have said he was a berserk dictator. There was zero consensus in January that we weren't doing nearly enough. Hindsight is always 20-20.

Doing that was so minor it was like praising Hussain for making a US squad briefly withdraw during the Iraqi war.

There are so many things he ignored and lied about since that the totality paints a damning picture of someone so unprepared for the job (which is what everyone has been saying since the election).

We have absolutely no way of estimating the impact of what he did. None. SO you'll believe estimates that make Trump look bad, Sean Hannity will believe estimates that say that saved 200 million lives. I have no idea. What I know, is that at the time, people said it was an overreaction. At the time, (later, in fact, at the end of February) Nancy Pelosi and Bill Diblasio were encouraging their constituents to go out to crowded public places. No one here will comment on that, other than to say I made it all up, even though I provided videos. Because this forum isn't about truth. It's about attacking Trump.

I think you managed to get everything wrong.
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I think you are too small-minded to be able to comment rationally on anything that doesn't make Trump look bad. I go where the facts take me. You live in a conservative=bad tunnel, no exceptions, not ever.

To the libs here...if Trump was negligent for not doing more in January, why can't any of you say that Pelosi and Diblasio were more negligent for going on TV in late February, and encouraging their constituents to go to crowded public places?

Answer: Orange Man Bad. Nothing else matters.

I stopped watching the daily briefings because I cannot stand Trumps style, I just can't take the attacks and the blaming and passing the buck. I can say that even though I will vote for Trump again, because I am not crazy.

None of you can say that if Trump was negligent in January, that necessarily means Pelosi and DIblasio were more negligent in late February. You can't say that, because you can't criticize a democrat. SO you try to have it both ways. Sorry.

Trump*failed to lead the CDC's effort by any measure. Leading the Executive branch responsible for managing the day to day operations of the Federal Government is his job. He volunteered for it, campaigned for it, accepted it and took the oath.

He didn't fail to lead the CDC. It failed to produce what it was tasked to do. Even if it would have used the testing that was already available which was used by other countries instead of trying to produce a better one, testing could have started earlier. And it even flubbed what it was trying to do which created the delay that Trump is blamed for. AND IF CHINA WOULD HAVE BEEN TRUTHFUL IMMEDIATELY, and stopped travel out of China when it stopped travel internally, the whole world would have been able to respond correctly and much of the spread would have been prevented.

The notion that Trump, or any President, should have known that the CDC was on the wrong path is ridiculous. The President can only react to the failure, not prevent it. The administration, including experts like Fauci and Berx, did what was necessary to fix the problem. Of course, the talking point is Trump acted too late.


He has lead his blaming brigade every minute he has been on the air for weeks, in blaming and shuffling off responsibility anywhere possible.

Yeah, not is only that an exaggeration, but there has been a blaming brigade of politicians and media and including folks like you that has and is constantly blaming Trump instead of the real culprit. Once China loosed many thousands of Chinese that had been exposed to the virus to travel to the rest of the world, including many to the US, it was too late for an unprepared world "community" which didn't know they were being infected until all they could do is react. And yes, it's true that the "plan" that Biden and Obama and Bush made was not followed even by them after their bouts with epidemics were over. They did not restock depleted equipment and supplies nor maintain a readiness protocol as prescribed by their "plan." Nor did the states and cities and administrative agencies as the "plan" required. Trump had to fix that and it has been "reported" that he has done what a lot did not think was possible in such a short time.

And, because of China's and the WHO duplicity, the downplaying "messaging" was being mouthed by the Dems, the WHO, the media, experts like Fauci, not just Trump, during that supposedly critical early stage time.

And, of course, politics had to be played. The crisis provided the opportunity, which must not be wasted, to politicize. That seems to be more important than fighting the disease.

I have noticed that Fox News and the president no longer love the hydroxychloroquine. Perhaps the president and his propaganda arm should stop handing out medical advice?

I don't know about that. Not on my radar. Far as I know, the use of that medicine was being done before Trump said anything. And is reported to being used effectively now. The doctors who prescribe it, I'm sure, aren't doing so because of anything Trump said. Your model, South Korea, uses it as part of their protocol. There has as yet not been a completed, peer reviewed study on its effectiveness. And those, such as the VA limited one, did not, it "is being reported" use the total combination of meds that is recommended. But I certainly don't blame Trump for recommending it, nor credit him for any successful use of it. It's a medical protocol used by medical people, and shouldn't be a political weapon one way or the other.

The longer we pretend that Trump* isn’t mentally ill, the more devastation we’re going to experience.

Yeah, that's it . . . he's mentally ill. Geez.

DeBlasio and Pelosi are not the president of the US and did not receive the briefings that he did. Nor did they constantly lie and refuse to take any responsibility
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They certainly left themselves without a leg to stand on regarding the issue. But they still bloviate as if they knew all along. Good members of the Party.
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To the libs here...if Trump was negligent for not doing more in January, why can't any of you say that Pelosi and Diblasio were more negligent for going on TV in late February, and encouraging their constituents to go to crowded public places?

Answer: Orange Man Bad. Nothing else matters.

I stopped watching the daily briefings because I cannot stand Trumps style, I just can't take the attacks and the blaming and passing the buck. I can say that even though I will vote for Trump again, because I am not crazy.

None of you can say that if Trump was negligent in January, that necessarily means Pelosi and DIblasio were more negligent in late February. You can't say that, because you can't criticize a democrat. SO you try to have it both ways. Sorry.
All the base knows is Orange Man Bad.
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DeBlasio and Pelosi are not the president of the US and did not receive the briefings that he did. Nor did they constantly lie and refuse to take any responsibility
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"DeBlasio and Pelosi are not the president of the US"

Thanks for the scoop!

"and did not receive the briefings that he did'

I see! So you have seen transcripts of the briefings that Pelosi, the speaker of the house, did attend? You know for a certainty that she had no reason not to tell people to go to Chinatown, but that Trump should have known to do more. Wow!

You are making stuff up out of thin air, stuff you can't possibly know, because only Trump can be at fault.

All the base knows is Orange Man Bad.
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That's literally all there is. Everything they post, boils down to that. Everything. It's amazing.

DeBlasio and Pelosi are not the president of the US and did not receive the briefings that he did. Nor did they constantly lie and refuse to take any responsibility
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What specific and DEFINITIVE briefings did the President get? Vague reports such as China may not be telling the truth, for instance are not definitively actionable. Reports that the virus might be passed human to human would not be conclusive enough to immediately shut down the country. Nor would they solve the problem of our FDA and CDC not being prepared as they were supposed to be for a pandemic. Nor the problem of the States and cities as well being understocked and unprepared. There was supposed to be a "plan" in place to immediately respond to a pandemic. No one was following the plan. (And yeah, that would include DeBlasio who was not following the "plan" as required, and Pelosi the Speaker of the House which is responsible for oversight of regulatory agencies. And yeah, both are consummate political liars. And yeah, neither is the sharpest tack in the drawer.)

It certainly did not help to have the WHO claim their was no indication that the virus was transferrable human to human, therefor not easily contagious. And recommending not to take drastic measures because that would instill unnecessary fear and panic. Nor was it helpful that this attitude was accepted by our politicians, medical community, and media. Trump, in that atmosphere, would have been blistered as an authoritarian demagogue if he would have shut the country down at that time. Nor would it have been likely that he could have convinced the Congress to spend trillions to fight what was not believed to be that serious.

Plus, at the time of any intelligence briefings, the virus would have already arrived and infected enough thousands that the spread would be rapid and already huge.

With what was actually known, and what was nearly universally believed, there was nothing realistically that could be done in time to stop what happened.

And there is one, true, demonic, culprit. The CCP. That should be enough for the rest of the world to begin weening off of China's cheap technological labor, and economic "help" enough to help bring about its demise. You and Pete F may think the world will be saved by getting rid of Trump. I think Trump is the wrong boogey man. Rather, the world will be rescued from a severe political and economic virus when the CCP is abolished.

"DeBlasio and Pelosi are not the president of the US"

Thanks for the scoop!

"and did not receive the briefings that he did'

I see! So you have seen transcripts of the briefings that Pelosi, the speaker of the house, did attend? You know for a certainty that she had no reason not to tell people to go to Chinatown, but that Trump should have known to do more. Wow!

You are making stuff up out of thin air, stuff you can't possibly know, because only Trump can be at fault.
Well I'm glad you now recognized they are not president since you seemed to not understand that and posted something so ignorant. See I can insult you too. There have been many instances where people have posted times when Trump has been informed about the pandemic. You can continue to ignore them.
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That's literally all there is. Everything they post, boils down to that. Everything. It's amazing.

And you continue to defend him even though Pete has posted hundreds of bullet points indicating when Trump said something and when he was told something and you continue to ignore them. It boils down to your trying to defend him as much as you can.
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Well I'm glad you now recognized they are not president since you seemed to not understand that and posted something so ignorant. See I can insult you too. There have been many instances where people have posted times when Trump has been informed about the pandemic. You can continue to ignore them.
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What specific and DEFINITIVE briefings did the President get? Vague reports such as China may not be telling the truth, for instance are not definitively actionable. Reports that the virus might be passed human to human would not be conclusive enough to immediately shut down the country. Nor would they solve the problem of our FDA and CDC not being prepared as they were supposed to be for a pandemic. Nor the problem of the States and cities as well being understocked and unprepared. There was supposed to be a "plan" in place to immediately respond to a pandemic. No one was following the plan. (And yeah, that would include DeBlasio who was not following the "plan" as required, and Pelosi the Speaker of the House which is responsible for oversight of regulatory agencies. And yeah, both are consummate political liars. And yeah, neither is the sharpest tack in the drawer.)

It certainly did not help to have the WHO claim their was no indication that the virus was transferrable human to human, therefor not easily contagious. And recommending not to take drastic measures because that would instill unnecessary fear and panic. Nor was it helpful that this attitude was accepted by our politicians, medical community, and media. Trump, in that atmosphere, would have been blistered as an authoritarian demagogue if he would have shut the country down at that time. Nor would it have been likely that he could have convinced the Congress to spend trillions to fight what was not believed to be that serious.

Plus, at the time of any intelligence briefings, the virus would have already arrived and infected enough thousands that the spread would be rapid and already huge.

With what was actually known, and what was nearly universally believed, there was nothing realistically that could be done in time to stop what happened.

And there is one, true, demonic, culprit. The CCP. That should be enough for the rest of the world to begin weening off of China's cheap technological labor, and economic "help" enough to help bring about its demise. You and Pete F may think the world will be saved by getting rid of Trump. I think Trump is the wrong boogey man. Rather, the world will be rescued from a severe political and economic virus when the CCP is abolished.

If I ignored you the first time what makes you think I could care enough to respond this time?
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If I ignored you the first time what makes you think I could care enough to respond this time?
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I thought you might be a bit consistent. You want us not to ignore Pete F's bullet points. I wrongly figured that you would reciprocate what you want others to do, and not ignore what they post.

Now I know better.

What specific and DEFINITIVE briefings did the President get? We will find out sooner or later, though Trump* has done more than any other President in history to hide his actions Vague reports such as China may not be telling the truth, for instance are not definitively actionable. So are you claiming that our intelligencce agencies did not include the information in the PDR? Reports that the virus might be passed human to human would not be conclusive enough to immediately shut down the country. He was told, he ignored the information Nor would they solve the problem of our FDA and CDC not being prepared as they were supposed to be for a pandemic. He is in charge of the Federal government. Nor the problem of the States and cities as well being understocked and unprepared. There was supposed to be a "plan" in place to immediately respond to a pandemic. No one was following the plan. The plan has protocols for leaders to follow, claiming it was only one person, it is only a few, it will disappear one day like a miracle is not a part of the protocol nor anything that any rational leader would do in the fface of a threat. (And yeah, that would include DeBlasio who was not following the "plan" as required, and Pelosi the Speaker of the House which is responsible for oversight of regulatory agencies. And yeah, both are consummate political liars. And yeah, neither is the sharpest tack in the drawer.) I could give a #^&#^&#^&#^& about a Mayor, but let's look at what Trump* has done to restrict Congressional oversight under his administration. He has refused to comply with any Congressional requests, do you think that it occurs like a miracle one day the information just appears?

It certainly did not help to have the WHO claim their was no indication that the virus was transferrable human to human, therefor not easily contagious.
10 January 2020

WHO issued a comprehensive package of technical guidance online with advice to all countries on how to detect, test and manage potential cases, based on what was known about the virus at the time. This guidance was shared with WHO's regional emergency directors to share with WHO representatives in countries.
Based on experience with SARS and MERS and known modes of transmission of respiratory viruses, infection and prevention control guidance were published to protect health workers recommending droplet and contact precautions when caring for patients, and airborne precautions for aerosol generating procedures conducted by health workers.
14 January 2020
WHO's technical lead for the response noted in a press briefing there may have been limited human-to-human transmission of the coronavirus (in the 41 confirmed cases), mainly through family members, and that there was a risk of a possible wider outbreak. The lead also said that human-to-human transmission would not be surprising given our experience with SARS, MERS and other respiratory pathogens.

And recommending not to take drastic measures because that would instill unnecessary fear and panic. Cite a source for this, I find numerous instances of the Trump administration failing to take action because of fear of upsetting the markets exist. Nor was it helpful that this attitude was accepted by our politicians, medical community, and media. Trump, in that atmosphere, would have been blistered as an authoritarian demagogue if he would have shut the country down at that time. Now you are acknowledging that he is so weak that his actions are decided not by what is best for the country, but what is best for him politically. Nor would it have been likely that he could have convinced the Congress to spend trillions to fight what was not believed to be that serious. Late January, 2020: HHS sends a letter asking to use its transfer authority to shift $136 million of department funds into pools that could be tapped for combating the coronavirus. White House budget hawks argued that appropriating too much money at once when there were only a few U.S. cases would be viewed as alarmist.

Plus, at the time of any intelligence briefings, the virus would have already arrived and infected enough thousands that the spread would be rapid and already huge.

With what was actually known, and what was nearly universally believed, there was nothing realistically that could be done in time to stop what happened. You forgot the ten weeks of failing to lead

And there is one, true, demonic, culprit. The CCP. That should be enough for the rest of the world to begin weening off of China's cheap technological labor, and economic "help" enough to help bring about its demise. You and Pete F may think the world will be saved by getting rid of Trump. I think Trump is the wrong boogey man. Rather, the world will be rescued from a severe political and economic virus when the CCP is abolished.

Well your Stable Genius is certainly not capable of weaning anything, he doesn't have enough self control to deal with an umbrella, never mind a foreign government.

Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump · Mar 27
Just finished a very good conversation with President Xi of China. Discussed in great detail the CoronaVirus that is ravaging large parts of our Planet. China has been through much & has developed a strong understanding of the Virus. We are working closely together. Much respect!

Trump is a poster child for being played by China.

At the time of this tweet, China was engaged in multi-platform attacks on the American people to bolster their own image and credibility (this tweet helps them with that) and to undermine ours.

China has a lot to thank Trump for.

I thought you might be a bit consistent.

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he's afraid

I saw who posted and figured I probably made a spelling mistake, the horror........

I saw who posted and figured I probably made a spelling mistake, the horror........

No, just a snarky comment
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If I ignored you the first time what makes you think I could care enough to respond this time?
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Why not debate him PaulS? It would be fun to watch you match wits. Surely you are confident enough and I have seen you express yourself clearly on occasion. Show off your intellect.
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Why not debate him PaulS? It would be fun to watch you match wits. Surely you are confident enough and I have seen you express yourself clearly on occasion. Show off your intellect.
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You mean like how I debate other people while you don't say anything other than throw out unintelligent, petty, childish, vile, scummy insults?
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Well I'm glad you now recognized they are not president since you seemed to not understand that and posted something so ignorant. See I can insult you too. There have been many instances where people have posted times when Trump has been informed about the pandemic. You can continue to ignore them.
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So according to you (the non-ignorant one), only the president can make a reckless policy decision during a pandemic. No one else in any level of government, according to you, can make a stupid policy decision, based on what was known at the time. Of all the elected officials at the local, state, and federal level, only one person is accountable for his decisions. You say that everyone else gets a pass. Or is it just the democrats, perhaps?

You really should be teaching civics to high schoolers all over the world. Your knowledge is wasted here.

And you continue to defend him even though Pete has posted hundreds of bullet points indicating when Trump said something and when he was told something and you continue to ignore them. It boils down to your trying to defend him as much as you can.
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"And you continue to defend him "

In this thread, I said I can't stand his style. And in hindsight, obviously he should have done more. However, it's a naked re-writing of very recent history, to claim there was any kind of consensus then, that he should have gone much further. Your ilk called him a dictator for doing the one thing he did! Go back and read what Pelosi, Biden, Schumer, and all the news sites where you get you facts, had to say in January. The consensus was that it wasn't a big deal.

If I ignored you the first time what makes you think I could care enough to respond this time?
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Just grow a pair and either respond, or admit he's right. What are you afraid will happen if you do so. In all honesty, what are you afraid will happen?

"Your ilk called him a dictator for doing the one (halfassed) thing he did!"

Oh poor Trumplican, victimized again, unfortunately you keep repeating lies.

Here is what your "ilk" is buying into..............he always repeats the scam he's done before......just watch and you will hear the words he's using now

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fK9AhOo3Fj0&t=75s

The plan has protocols for leaders to follow, claiming it was only one person, it is only a few, it will disappear one day like a miracle is not a part of the protocol nor anything that any rational leader would do in the fface of a threat.

What protocols did Trump not follow? And why do you insist that Trump alone is responsible for following protocols? There is no way that Trump could be held responsible for the failure of state and local negligence, nor even the failure of the CDC to produce test kits on time. And he led above and beyond by correcting the failures of the state and local governments and he and his team did address regulatory rules that impeded the CDC.

I could give a #^&#^&#^&#^& about a Mayor, but let's look at what Trump* has done to restrict Congressional oversight under his administration. He has refused to comply with any Congressional requests, do you think that it occurs like a miracle one day the information just appears?

You're not giving an expletive about the executive in charge of and responsible for (along with the governor) the plan's protocols for the city with the largest occurrence of the outbreak. That's a huge chunk of responsibility that you want to shuffle onto Trump. Which congressional request are you referring to? Nancy makes a lot of ridiculous requests.

10 January 2020

WHO issued a comprehensive package of technical guidance online with advice to all countries on how to detect, test and manage potential cases, based on what was known about the virus at the time. This guidance was shared with WHO's regional emergency directors to share with WHO representatives in countries.

14 January 2020
WHO's technical lead for the response noted in a press briefing there may have been limited human-to-human transmission of the coronavirus (in the 41 confirmed cases), mainly through family members, and that there was a risk of a possible wider outbreak. The lead also said that human-to-human transmission would not be surprising given our experience with SARS, MERS and other respiratory pathogens.

"May have" and "would not be surprising" are not definitive.

Then there's this from WHO:

9 January 2020: WHO advises against travel or trade restrictions on China and does not recommend any specific measures for travelers. And praises China for its identification of the virus in such a short time as well as its capacity to manage new outbreaks. It also stresses that "the virus does not spread readily between people."

14 January 2020: WHO issues statement that Chinese authorities recorded no cases of human to human transmission (even though Wuhan doctors raised the possibility of human to human transmission.

22 January 2020: WHO director praises China for its cooperation. A WHO emergency committee concludes that the virus does not constitute a Public Health Emergency of International Concern.

30 January 2020: WHO declares the coronavirus a global health emergency while expressing confidence in China's capacity to control the outbreak.

11 March 2020: WHO declares it a pandemic, and called for countries to take urgent and aggressive action.

And finally:
1 April 2020: U.S. Intelligence reports (secret) that China reported fake numbers.

Now you are acknowledging that he is so weak that his actions are decided not by what is best for the country, but what is best for him politically.

No. Acknowledging what is or isn't feasible given sketchy, incomplete, not completely certain information.

Late January, 2020: HHS sends a letter asking to use its transfer authority to shift $136 million of department funds into pools that could be tapped for combating the coronavirus. White House budget hawks argued that appropriating too much money at once when there were only a few U.S. cases would be viewed as alarmist.

Yes, there was the reluctance to create alarm.

Well your Stable Genius is certainly not capable of weaning anything, he doesn't have enough self control to deal with an umbrella, never mind a foreign government.

Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump · Mar 27
Just finished a very good conversation with President Xi of China. Discussed in great detail the CoronaVirus that is ravaging large parts of our Planet. China has been through much & has developed a strong understanding of the Virus. We are working closely together. Much respect!

Trump the dealer talk. Xi knows its shiny BS meant to create a more hospitable tone for negotiation. You do know that China's economy was already declining before the coronavirus hit. And big tariffs were not helping it. No doubt he knows Trumps nicey nicey talk is just butter on a piece of hard crust that that he'd have to chew if he wanted to deal.

Trump is a poster child for being played by China.

I had to bust out laughing when I read this. China has played the US for a fool for decades. Now it has to deal with someone who finally pushes back and puts a major hurt on it.

At the time of this tweet, China was engaged in multi-platform attacks on the American people to bolster their own image and credibility (this tweet helps them with that) and to undermine ours.

China has a lot to thank Trump for.

China is desperately trying to convince the world that the US is the culprit in order to take the too obvious onus off of itself. Looks like you're convinced that will work.

So according to you (the non-ignorant one), only the president can make a reckless policy decision during a pandemic. No one else in any level of government, according to you, can make a stupid policy decision, based on what was known at the time. Of all the elected officials at the local, state, and federal level, only one person is accountable for his decisions. You say that everyone else gets a pass. Or is it just the democrats, perhaps?

You really should be teaching civics to high schoolers all over the world. Your knowledge is wasted here.
I never said only the president so why do you need to lie? You're a compulsive liar. See I can insult you too.
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Just grow a pair and either respond, or admit he's right. What are you afraid will happen if you do so. In all honesty, what are you afraid will happen?

I dont read his posts. Go look at the response he just posted. Who wants to go through all that. I know you've been a little ignorant lately but it's not about growing a pair it's about wasting time reading through all that.
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I never said only the president so why do you need to lie? You're a compulsive liar. See I can insult you too.
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your defense of
pelosi and diblasio is that they’re not the president. you didn’t try to claim that their statements weren’t stupid.

you said the speaker of the house, and the mayor of nyc, shouldn’t be criticized because they’re not president.

i love it when people claim they didn’t say what jay just said.
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"And you continue to defend him "

In this thread, I said I can't stand his style. And in hindsight, obviously he should have done more. However, it's a naked re-writing of very recent history, to claim there was any kind of consensus then, that he should have gone much further. Your ilk called him a dictator for doing the one thing he did! Go back and read what Pelosi, Biden, Schumer, and all the news sites where you get you facts, had to say in January. The consensus was that it wasn't a big deal.
big deal not defending his style. Pat yourself self on the back for that if you want. You and your ilk must have got really tingly when he stood on the stage and made fun of retards and spazzes. Did you feel a little tingle when he did that.
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paul, how could
you know that pelosi and
diblasio shouldn’t have known better when they made those statements? you defended them
by saying they don’t get trumps briefings. but how do you know, how could
you possibly know, what briefings they do get?

if you claim trump
should have known better in january, how do you know they shouldn’t have known better in late february?
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paul, how could
you know that pelosi and
diblasio shouldn’t have known better when they made those statements? you defended them
by saying they don’t get trumps briefings. but how do you know, how could
you possibly know, what briefings they do get?

if you claim trump
should have known better in january, how do you know they shouldn’t have known better in late february?
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Because you and your ilk fail to acknowledge that they did not get the briefings that he had.
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China is desperately trying to convince the world that the US is the culprit in order to take the too obvious onus off of itself. Looks like you're convinced that will work.

We will sort China's responsibility out later with a different government.
Meanwhile we need to get thru this crisis in our country with the current "leader" who aligned himself with Xi and would rather be golfing.

He downplayed it.
He failed to take action, make no mistake the President is responsible for the administration of the federal government. It's his job.
He is ultimately responsible for the death of thousands of Americans.
If he doesn't feel that, WTF is he even doing in that office?

As someone quoted Eisenhower on this site several days ago: "Leadership consists of nothing but taking responsibility for everything that goes wrong and giving your subordinates credit for everything that goes well."

Leadership is not casting blame on anyone within range. When you point a finger remember that there are four fingers pointing back at you.

Now feel free to just kick my ball into the trap, like Trump*

We will sort China's responsibility out later with a different government.
Meanwhile we need to get thru this crisis in our country with the current "leader" who aligned himself with Xi and would rather be golfing.

He downplayed it.
He failed to take action, make no mistake the President is responsible for the administration of the federal government. It's his job.
He is ultimately responsible for the death of thousands of Americans.
If he doesn't feel that, WTF is he even doing in that office?

As someone quoted Eisenhower on this site several days ago: "Leadership consists of nothing but taking responsibility for everything that goes wrong and giving your subordinates credit for everything that goes well."

Leadership is not casting blame on anyone within range. When you point a finger remember that there are four fingers pointing back at you.

Now feel free to just kick my ball into the trap, like Trump*

OK, so when you don't cut and paste someone else's stuff and have to resort to writing your own, it often results in ad hominem bilge like your post here.

Because you and your ilk fail to acknowledge that they did not get the briefings that he had.
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so you’re saying that trump knew more in january, than pelosi and diblasio knew in late february. how could you know that? i know that satisfies your need to put all blame in trump, but that doesn’t make it so.

your story is that trump knew how serious this was in january, but the speaker of the house, and the mayor of new york, didn’t know that in late february.

you’re sticking with that?
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OK, so when you don't cut and paste someone else's stuff and have to resort to writing your own, it often results in ad hominem bilge like your post here.

Since you are the master of regurgitation or re-visualization, you are not exhibiting presentable footwedge skills at all.

It must be tiring to be on the continually failing team, especially when they told you that you would get sick of winning, or did they say whining?

Oh, by the way
Tomorrow we will be way past "someday like a miracle it will go away". Fifty thousand past that.

Since you are the master of regurgitation or re-visualization, you are not exhibiting presentable footwedge skills at all.

It must be tiring to be on the continually failing team, especially when they told you that you would get sick of winning, or did they say whining?

Exactly . . . or whatever

A couple of simple questions

The USA has the most comprehensive spy satellites, analysis systems and intelligence analysts in the world.
True or false?
The USA knew in mid to late December that traffic was severely diminished in Wuhan.
True or false?
The intelligence community failed to alert the administration of this when they knew it?
True or false?
In combination with other intelligence reports, WHO reports and allied intelligence there was obviously something happening in the Wuhan vicinity.
True or false?
Nobody knew.
True or false?

A couple of simple questions

The USA has the most comprehensive spy satellites, analysis systems and intelligence analysts in the world.
True or false?
The USA knew in mid to late December that traffic was severely diminished in Wuhan.
True or false?
The intelligence community failed to alert the administration of this when they knew it?
True or false?
In combination with other intelligence reports, WHO reports and allied intelligence there was obviously something happening in the Wuhan vicinity.
True or false?
Nobody knew.
True or false?

Elementary!

Tic
Tac
Toe
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You and your ilk

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I love when Paul gets a new word or phrase and then uses it repeatedly.....:hihi:

Because you and your ilk fail to acknowledge that they did not get the briefings that he had.
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For the tenth time, how do you know what briefings Nancy Pelosi and Bill Diblasio had?

For the tenth time, how do you know what briefings Nancy Pelosi and Bill Diblasio had?

I heard Biden briefed them from his basement

I love when Paul gets a new word or phrase and then uses it repeatedly.....:hihi:

Sorry, I already had that word in my vocabulary as it has been used here repeatedly. I just decided to lower myself to Jim's level and insult him with the same type of insults he throws out around here. Given your constant review of anyone's posts who doesn't bow down to Trump's failings to try to find a typo or think of something snarky to say, I would have thought you would know that

Elementary!

Trump*s next presser will replace Fauci with Dr Phil, a Michigan militia guy with a "Coronna can kiss my Confederate ass" tattoo, and 3 family members of people who died of the flu during Obama's presidency.
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I just decided to lower myself to Jim's level and insult him with the same type of insults he throws out around here.



this is childish

Trump*s next presser will replace Fauci with Dr Phil, a Michigan militia guy with a "Coronna can kiss my Confederate ass" tattoo, and 3 family members of people who died of the flu during Obama's presidency.

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well pete...you are usually right about these things :rolleyes:

Sorry, I already had that word in my vocabulary as it has been used here repeatedly. I just decided to lower myself to Jim's level and insult him with the same type of insults he throws out around here. Given your constant review of anyone's posts who doesn't bow down to Trump's failings to try to find a typo or think of something snarky to say, I would have thought you would know that

Here's a question, with zero insults...how do you happen to know what briefings Pelosi and Diblasio have had? Doesn't it make sense that the mayor of New York City (of all places) would be told everything he needs to know during a pandemic, so that he can make wise public policy decisions?

Wait, now I know what happened...Trump knew in January that it was bad. But he lied to Pelosi and Diblasio, because he wanted them to tell their constituents (all of whom vote democrat) to keep going out in public, in the hope that everyone in San Francisco and New York City would die before the election. That must be it.

I heard Biden briefed them from his basement

That debate is going to be one for the ages.

Here's a question, with zero insults...how do you happen to know what briefings Pelosi and Diblasio have had? Doesn't it make sense that the mayor of New York City (of all places) would be told everything he needs to know during a pandemic, so that he can make wise public policy decisions?

Wait, now I know what happened...Trump knew in January that it was bad. But he lied to Pelosi and Diblasio, because he wanted them to tell their constituents (all of whom vote democrat) to keep going out in public, in the hope that everyone in San Francisco and New York City would die before the election. That must be it.

Do you have any proof they were in the briefings w/Trump or given briefings with the same type of info? Did Navarro call Pelosi or diblasio after he briefed Trump - or did Trump say "let's go brief Pelosi as I want her to have the same type of info. I had"?

Do you have any proof they were in the briefings w/Trump or given briefings with the same type of info? Did Navarro call Pelosi or diblasio after he briefed Trump - or did Trump say "let's go brief Pelosi as I want her to have the same type of info. I had"?

By what conceivable logic would you assume that the mayor of New York City was kept in the dark about a pandemic?

ANSWER: the logic which is based on the notion that everything bad is 100% Trumps fault.

Think for a minute about the assumptions you are making. Trump should have known in January that we needed a lockdown, but the speaker of the house and the mayor of NYC didn't know that in late February? That's plausible to you?

By what conceivable logic would you assume that the mayor of New York City was kept in the dark about a pandemic?



more highly educated logic...or something...supposedly

By what conceivable logic would you assume that the mayor of New York City was kept in the dark about a pandemic?

ANSWER: the logic which is based on the notion that everything bad is 100% Trumps fault.

Think for a minute about the assumptions you are making. Trump should have known in January that we needed a lockdown, but the speaker of the house and the mayor of NYC didn't know that in late February? That's plausible to you?

And you fail to note Trump's long history of failing to inform anyone (or exclude them from info)who doesn't agree with him politically on things that matter.

Where did anyone say Trump* should have done a lockdown in January?
Someone is making stuff up again to justify his narrative
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more highly educated logic...or something...supposedly

Another vivid demonstration of sensibility.👍🏿
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National security adviser Robert O'Brien has accused the World Health Organization of being "a bit of a propaganda tool for the Chinese," and said the White House is investigating whether money from China influenced the WHO's judgments during the coronavirus crisis.

O'Brien said China "controls" the WHO, and said the administration's investigation is intended to uncover how.


of course lets keep the blame away from Trump .. seems once again he is only responsible for the Positive things....:kewl:

I believe him
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And you fail to note Trump's long history of failing to inform anyone (or exclude them from info)who doesn't agree with him politically on things that matter.

Not sure what Trump has to do with what Pelosi and Diblasio said in late February?

as horribly as Cuomo, DiBlasio and Pelosi have treated Trump he's always been there for them when they needed him....heard the Governor of California thanking and praising Trump recently as well...

it's too bad some people insist on constantly being divisive and the media acts only as instigators and bomb throwers....pretty messed up really

as horribly as Cuomo, DiBlasio and Pelosi have treated Trump he's always been there for them when they needed him....heard the Governor of California thanking and praising Trump recently as well...

it's too bad some people insist on constantly being divisive and the media acts only as instigators and bomb throwers....pretty messed up really

Never been anything like it.

Make no mistake, Trump brings a lot of the negative comments upon himself with his tweets and passing the buck. But that being said, the liberals and the media have completely blown a gasket. They hate his guts and are fanatically dedicated to destroying him, even if it means pretending some of his policies haven't done a ton of good. They ignore everything positive, and never stop shrieking about the negative.

There are reasons Don the Con is asked tough questions.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nh8QoZoAYkI

There are reasons Don the Con is asked tough questions.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nh8QoZoAYkI

Obviously that's true, it's totally fair that his behavior and actions are discussed.

But how unreasonable would it be to ask for a speck of consistency, accuracy, fairness in the coverage? "Fair" to me, means when he screws up he gets held accountable, and when he does something well he gets some credit. How many times have you mentioned the benefits of the economy for his first 3 years? Or, and sorry to bring up a sore subject for you, saying he's evil for putting kids in cages when Obama started the practice and he gets a pass?

Governors Cuomo and Newsom have said a lot of positive things about Trump regarding the virus. Is that ever covered?

There are reasons Don the Con is asked tough questions.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nh8QoZoAYkI

This is one of those short, out of context, misleading videos that you like to post that supposedly make Trump look incompetent, evil, stupid, wrong, and a threat to the survival of America, and possibly that of the world.

In actuality, the video not only selects part of the facts, leaving out the rest of the story, it turns the truth on its head. The truth is the opposite of what the video intends to portray. Here is an article by Ed Morrissey which relates a WaPo fact check by Glenn Kessler:

Consider this one of the dumber tropes to emerge from Democrats over the last few weeks of coronavirus theater, and — as Glenn Kessler demonstrates — one of the more easily refuted. The Democratic super-PAC supporting Joe Biden amplified an accusation bouncing around on social media of late, which is that Donald Trump so miscalculated the COVID-19 pandemic that he robbed the US of its personal protective equipment in order to assist China. That, they hint, is why America faces a PPE shortage now:

“Trump gave China more than praise. He shipped China 17 tons of American masks and medical supplies. Our masks and supplies. Supplies we need now.”

Did Trump send masks and other PPE to China just when we needed it the most? No, Kessler says in his fact check at the Washington Post. All Trump did was supply the transport for private donations of PPE on the front part of the effort to evacuate Americans from China:

The ad says that “Trump … shipped 17 tons of American masks and medical supplies. Our masks and supplies.” The impression left by the ad is that these were U.S. government goods, shipped on Trump’s order.

But these were actually donations by private charities and public companies for Project HOPE, an international health-care organization that has been operating in Wuhan for a quarter-century and helped establish a nursing school there. Usually, donors to Project HOPE arrange for charter aircraft to take their donations overseas.

For instance, as these shipments arrived in Wuhan, another shipment — 2 million respirator masks, 11,000 protective suits and 280,000 pairs of nitrile gloves donated by MAP International and MedShare — was sent to Project HOPE via UPS, which provided the transportation as an in-kind donation.

In the case highlighted in the ad, the State Department’s role was providing the aircraft. The department sent charted planes to Wuhan to pick up some 800 consulate workers, their families and other Americans. The planes otherwise were going to be empty on the way to China, so officials decided to fill the jets with goods donated by Samaritan’s Purse, the Boeing Company, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and Intermountain Healthcare.

In fact, it didn’t cost taxpayers anything for shipping the goods, although that doesn’t apply to the State Department’s evacuation effort:

Money to help underwrite the effort was provided by Kenneth Griffin, a hedge fund manager who is chief executive of the investment firm Citadel.

How difficult was this to determine? Kessler did his own research, talking with Project HOPE’s CEO, but he also notes that the major donors involved all put out press releases at the time to highlight their charitable efforts. Those include Boeing, which chipped in 250K medical masks, as well as the Mormon Church, which added 220,000 more. Kessler also notes that the World Health Organization was pleading for donations of PPE from around the world in an effort to contain the outbreak to China — which by February 7 was already a lost cause, thanks in large part to WHO’s parroting of China’s propaganda:

"There is limited stock of PPE and we need to make sure we get it to the people who need it most in the places that need it most. … WHO discourages stockpiling of PPE in countries and areas where transmission is low.”

In other words, the same people who are hyperventilating over Trump’s snubs of WHO are now trying to blame him for something Trump didn’t do in the first place — and for actions that WHO demanded at the time. Only Democrats and demagogues could possibly square that circle.

At any rate, the PPE never did belong to the US government, and Trump didn’t have any authority to seize it, either. If he had seized it in early February, the same people pushing this nonsense would have hyperventilated over that, likely calling Trump a racist and xenophobe for not helping Chinese victims of the Wuhan plague. Kessler gives American Bridge 21st Century two Pinocchios for this false attack:

The line in the ad is carefully, even cleverly, worded, keeping it just shy of the Three Pinocchio mark. But it’s misleading enough to earn Two Pinocchios.

Where did anyone say Trump* should have done a lockdown in January?
Someone is making stuff up again to justify his narrative
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The entire left is saying he blew it in January, that he should have done much more. Sorry, I leaped to lockdown. You've been posting nonstop that he didn't take it nearly seriously enough. So can you tell us what you think he should have done in January, based on what he knew at that time?

You're saying that the travel restrictions (all he did) wasn't nearly enough. But you say I'm wrong when I say the left wanted him to implement the lockdown that we are currently living with. SO tell me, then, if you think he should have done a lot more, what specifically should he have done, if not the current lockdown?

There is a daily Trump* Rally at the WH.
Everyone is required to praise Dear Leader, you would think you are in one of the countries with a leader he admires, like Putin, Kim, Erdogan, Xi, Orban, etc.
As I have said before Trump* praises himself more than he deserves, I feel no need to add to his self aggrandizement.

He and his ship of fools are well on the way to sinking this country.

This is the first global crisis in more than a century where no one is even looking to the United States for leadership. And it's not just the fact that Trump* is President, it's the fact that we elected him President in the first place.

All that stuff you claim is not mentioned is covered, just how did you find out about it? Somebody whisper in your ear? Or do you think the news lead should be: "The Great and Magnificent President of the United States, smartest man in the world has once again demonstrated his brilliance, blah, blah, blah"
The press in this country has never functioned as the propaganda arm of the government until Fox. Just how does the Swanson heir criticize or put Trump* down, tell us again.

And then in closing you spout your fallback incantation, But Obama, it seems to be reassuring like a rosary for you.

You still seem unable to comprehend the difference in that under Presidents Bush and Obama they made a conscious decision to have separation occur when parents or guardians where charged with a serious crime.
Under this clown they made sure to separate all of them as part of their government sponsored kidnapping policy, with the hope that it would act as a deterrent.
Of the Eighteen Thousand children separated by this administration Three Thousand still have not been reunited and the official who successfully ran the office to reunite them has now been reassigned by the White House Loyalty Assurance office to another position. How dare the media report that.

There is a daily Trump* Rally at the WH.
Everyone is required to praise Dear Leader, you would think you are in one of the countries with a leader he admires, like Putin, Kim, Erdogan, Xi, Orban, etc.

Nonsensical narrative.

As I have said before Trump* praises himself more than he deserves, I feel no need to add to his self aggrandizement.

He tries to balance what he considers the bigoted political characterization of him spewed out daily by the left.

He and his ship of fools are well on the way to sinking this country.

This country was rising not sinking until the virus hit. Of course, like the Russia hoax, phony impeachment, and constant barrage of fake news, the virus presented yet another chance to bring Trump down. Never let a crisis go to waste. So far, the "ship of fools" has gotten it right re the hoax and impeachment, and you got it wrong. You have been the fool.

This is the first global crisis in more than a century where no one is even looking to the United States for leadership. And it's not just the fact that Trump* is President, it's the fact that we elected him President in the first place.

I don't know who "no one" is looking to for leadership. I don't even know who "no one" is. I also don't know why the United States should be the leader of "no one" or everyone, or of the world, in this crisis. I don't think we should be concerned with jingoistic notions of being "the leader." And making Trump be the symbol who represents the leading country and we the puppets who voted for him is a Maoistic cult of personality.

The whole notion is essentially authoritarian--which I thought you oppose.

All that stuff you claim is not mentioned is covered, just how did you find out about it? Somebody whisper in your ear? Or do you think the news lead should be: "The Great and Magnificent President of the United States, smartest man in the world has once again demonstrated his brilliance, blah, blah, blah"

You don't have to counter with extremism, exaggerated characterization. Stay calm.

The press in this country has never functioned as the propaganda arm of the government until Fox.

More extremism, exaggeration, mischaracterization. And, anyway, The Press has always had a bias.

And then in closing you spout your fallback incantation, But Obama, it seems to be reassuring like a rosary for you.

You still seem unable to comprehend the difference in that under Presidents Bush and Obama they made a conscious decision to have separation occur when parents or guardians where charged with a serious crime.
Under this clown they made sure to separate all of them as part of their government sponsored kidnapping policy, with the hope that it would act as a deterrent.
Of the Eighteen Thousand children separated by this administration Three Thousand still have not been reunited and the official who successfully ran the office to reunite them has now been reassigned by the White House Loyalty Assurance office to another position. How dare the media report that.

The old cause and effect. If Bush and Obama had shut off the excessive illegal immigration, if the leftist and the corporatists had not encouraged it for either votes or cheap labor, this would not have happened. If the illegals had not, with encouragement and help from various politicized groups, came in processions of caravans of thousands, this would not have happened. And if this happening creates a reverse crisis that makes it all go in the opposite direction, that will be a corrective.

Certainly Trump made some agreements and provisions to stem the tide. If the illegal problem gets solved, there won't be the separations. If measures that result in separations along with the rest of what Trump is doing stop the excessive flow, it will be a good thing. Politicizing the separation is counterproductive. It is meant to be so.

There has been a long train of phony measures to stop the huge numbers of illegal immigration. The longer that goes on, the more draconian the measures to stop it may become.

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There is a daily Trump* Rally at the WH.
Everyone is required to praise Dear Leader, you would think you are in one of the countries with a leader he admires, like Putin, Kim, Erdogan, Xi, Orban, etc.

Nonsensical narrative. Actually the nonsense occurs daily at the WH "briefing"

As I have said before Trump* praises himself more than he deserves, I feel no need to add to his self aggrandizement.

He tries to balance what he considers the bigoted political characterization of him spewed out daily by the left.

He and his ship of fools are well on the way to sinking this country.

This country was rising not sinking until the virus hit. Of course, like the Russia hoax, phony impeachment, and constant barrage of fake news, the virus presented yet another chance to bring Trump down. Never let a crisis go to waste. So far, the "ship of fools" has gotten it right re the hoax and impeachment, and you got it wrong. You have been the fool.
Trump* used every tool possible to give life support to the oldest bull market in history. The trigger for it's collapse was a virus but the collapse was inevitable. Meanwhile he increased the deficit, just like all his recent Republican predecessors. The only deficit hawks in this country seem to be Democrats.

This is the first global crisis in more than a century where no one is even looking to the United States for leadership. And it's not just the fact that Trump* is President, it's the fact that we elected him President in the first place.

I don't know who "no one" is looking to for leadership. I don't even know who "no one" is. I also don't know why the United States should be the leader of "no one" or everyone, or of the world, in this crisis. I don't think we should be concerned with jingoistic notions of being "the leader." And making Trump be the symbol who represents the leading country and we the puppets who voted for him is a Maoistic cult of personality.

The whole notion is essentially authoritarian--which I thought you oppose.
The USA has been the world leader with a plan since the second world war. It has never been about who our leader was, it was that we were consistently one administration after another, willing and able to lead, point out injustice, work against autocratic regimes and promote democracy. Apparently none of that makes any sense in your view of our place in the world.

All that stuff you claim is not mentioned is covered, just how did you find out about it? Somebody whisper in your ear? Or do you think the news lead should be: "The Great and Magnificent President of the United States, smartest man in the world has once again demonstrated his brilliance, blah, blah, blah"

You don't have to counter with extremism, exaggerated characterization. Stay calm.

Nothing extreme about that, though what you claim is the typical Trumplican argument: if you object you are an extremist!

The press in this country has never functioned as the propaganda arm of the government until Fox.

More extremism, exaggeration, mischaracterization. And, anyway, The Press has always had a bias.

There has never been a symbiotic relationship between the press and the administration like Fox and Trump.

And then in closing you spout your fallback incantation, But Obama, it seems to be reassuring like a rosary for you.

You still seem unable to comprehend the difference in that under Presidents Bush and Obama they made a conscious decision to have separation occur when parents or guardians where charged with a serious crime.
Under this clown they made sure to separate all of them as part of their government sponsored kidnapping policy, with the hope that it would act as a deterrent.
Of the Eighteen Thousand children separated by this administration Three Thousand still have not been reunited and the official who successfully ran the office to reunite them has now been reassigned by the White House Loyalty Assurance office to another position. How dare the media report that.
The old cause and effect. If Bush and Obama had shut off the excessive illegal immigration, if the leftist and the corporatists had not encouraged it for either votes or cheap labor, this would not have happened. If the illegals had not, with encouragement and help from various politicized groups, came in processions of caravans of thousands, this would not have happened. And if this happening creates a reverse crisis that makes it all go in the opposite direction, that will be a corrective.

Certainly Trump made some agreements and provisions to stem the tide. If the illegal problem gets solved, there won't be the separations. If measures that result in separations along with the rest of what Trump is doing stop the excessive flow, it will be a good thing. Politicizing the separation is counterproductive. It is meant to be so.

There has been a long train of phony measures to stop the huge numbers of illegal immigration. The longer that goes on, the more draconian the measures to stop it may become.

Prior to 911 the border was much more porous. Mexicans and Central Americans came and went with the seasons. We gained their low cost labor, they gained our dollars and went home every year to see their families and had better lives. Pretty much a mutually beneficial relationship. Unless you did not like cheap produce.
For the most part they came to parts of the USA that used to be Mexican.
In the recent past we have #^&#^&#^&#^&ed around in Central American Governments and pretty much screwed them up.
Then we walked away and only paid attention if they looked like they might be more socialist than we thought they ought to, quick send the CIA.
Now we have a problem on our southern border that will not go away without some hard diplomatic and development work.
This administration doesn't seem to have any interest until China or Russia pops up in that area and all of the sudden we remember the Monroe Doctrine.
A lot of work needs to happen there on a multitude of fronts to reduce problems there and here, spanning issues from poverty to addiction.
I doubt this clueless crowd of dilettantes is capable of putting together a coherent policy for anything, never mind the issues in Central America

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There is a daily Trump* Rally at the WH.
Everyone is required to praise Dear Leader, you would think you are in one of the countries with a leader he admires, like Putin, Kim, Erdogan, Xi, Orban, etc.

Nonsensical narrative.

Actually the nonsense occurs daily at the WH "briefing"

So you imitate it. I've said many times that you're like Trump.

As I have said before Trump* praises himself more than he deserves, I feel no need to add to his self aggrandizement.

He tries to balance what he considers the bigoted political characterization of him spewed out daily by the left.

He and his ship of fools are well on the way to sinking this country.

This country was rising not sinking until the virus hit. Of course, like the Russia hoax, phony impeachment, and constant barrage of fake news, the virus presented yet another chance to bring Trump down. Never let a crisis go to waste. So far, the "ship of fools" has gotten it right re the hoax and impeachment, and you got it wrong. You have been the fool.

Trump* used every tool possible to give life support to the oldest bull market in history. The trigger for it's collapse was a virus but the collapse was inevitable. Meanwhile he increased the deficit, just like all his recent Republican predecessors. The only deficit hawks in this country seem to be Democrats.

The country was rising, not sinking. That's why you guys kept saying that it was a continuation of the Obama economy. And yes, you were wrong about the Russia hoax and the fake iimpeachment, and who you referred to as "his ship of fools" got those things right. So, indeed, you were the fool.

This is the first global crisis in more than a century where no one is even looking to the United States for leadership. And it's not just the fact that Trump* is President, it's the fact that we elected him President in the first place.

I don't know who "no one" is looking to for leadership. I don't even know who "no one" is. I also don't know why the United States should be the leader of "no one" or everyone, or of the world, in this crisis. I don't think we should be concerned with jingoistic notions of being "the leader." And making Trump be the symbol who represents the leading country and we the puppets who voted for him is a Maoistic cult of personality.

The whole notion is essentially authoritarian--which I thought you oppose.

The USA has been the world leader with a plan since the second world war. It has never been about who our leader was, it was that we were consistently one administration after another, willing and able to lead, point out injustice, work against autocratic regimes and promote democracy. Apparently none of that makes any sense in your view of our place in the world.

We were the most powerful. The power enabled us to do things--for good and for ill. We did a lot of good and we did quite a bit of damage as well. You've pointed out a lot of our negatives. But there was also a latent humility in the traditional American character. Beating ones chest as a demonstration of leadership used to be frowned on (though it has become the thing to do in current popular culture, especially sports). Leading by example used to be the desired model.

The idea that people should look up to us as THE LEADER is arrogant. Being the best we can be is more of an American trait than the imperial pride that infused the British culture which we fought to free ourselves from. If you want to follow us, just be the best you can be--whatever that is.

Fighting wars and promoting democracy was about doing what best suited our interest, not boastful wielding of power to create an image of THE LEADER.

In some respect though, you are right. WWII was a dividing point in the changing of American culture from traditional individual pride to group and global think--the Progressive idea of the one world--the United Nations model as the starting point of a world order. And being the most powerful, we naturally took on the mantle of world leadership. I suppose, that is the America you hanker for. And Trump, being an America first nationalist, if he maintains power and influences the direction of this country, is the very threat to the America you desire--America the leader of the unified world order.

I prefer the entrepreneurial, individualistic America as the model which can evolve into one world as well, but one in which others copy us rather than follow us. And become a world of individual differences who cherish the freedom to be the best they can be in their own way, and who cooperate as equals in creating and inventing and living well.

Being the top dog model is a prescription for Progressive, socialistic, centralized top down world government which molds us into cookie cutter citizens that are easy to govern.

We have great works of fiction which don't paint a pretty picture of such a world.

All that stuff you claim is not mentioned is covered, just how did you find out about it? Somebody whisper in your ear? Or do you think the news lead should be: "The Great and Magnificent President of the United States, smartest man in the world has once again demonstrated his brilliance, blah, blah, blah"

You don't have to counter with extremism, exaggerated characterization. Stay calm.

Nothing extreme about that, though what you claim is the typical Trumplican argument: if you object you are an extremist!

No, not at all. You countered with an extreme characterization--""The Great and Magnificent President of the United States, smartest man in the world has once again demonstrated his brilliance, blah, blah, blah"

The press in this country has never functioned as the propaganda arm of the government until Fox.

More extremism, exaggeration, mischaracterization. And, anyway, The Press has always had a bias.

There has never been a symbiotic relationship between the press and the administration like Fox and Trump.

Fox is far less "symbiotic" with Trump than CNN, NBC, CBS, NY Times, WaPost are with the Dems.

Prior to 911 the border was much more porous. Mexicans and Central Americans came and went with the seasons. We gained their low cost labor, they gained our dollars and went home every year to see their families and had better lives. Pretty much a mutually beneficial relationship. Unless you did not like cheap produce.
For the most part they came to parts of the USA that used to be Mexican.
In the recent past we have #^&#^&#^&#^&ed around in Central American Governments and pretty much screwed them up.
Then we walked away and only paid attention if they looked like they might be more socialist than we thought they ought to, quick send the CIA.
Now we have a problem on our southern border that will not go away without some hard diplomatic and development work.


But, you said that "The USA has been the world leader with a plan since the second world war. It has never been about who our leader was, it was that we were consistently one administration after another, willing and able to lead, point out injustice, work against autocratic regimes and promote democracy."

This administration doesn't seem to have any interest until China or Russia pops up in that area and all of the sudden we remember the Monroe Doctrine.
A lot of work needs to happen there on a multitude of fronts to reduce problems there and here, spanning issues from poverty to addiction.
I doubt this clueless crowd of dilettantes is capable of putting together a coherent policy for anything, never mind the issues in Central America

Right, right . . . we are THE LEADER. We have to solve all these problems the rest of the world is having.

Hmmm . . . maybe if they could just be the best they can be . . .

Right, right . . . we are THE LEADER. We have to solve all these problems the rest of the world is having.

Hmmm . . . maybe if they could just be the best they can be . . .

Much like Trump* you fail to grasp the concept of leadership.
Leaders don’t do it for you, they and the organizations they lead show the way and help others succeed.

Have you watched Trump*s daily Rally?
And you believe he’s sane and competent?
If so, I have some Lysol you can use.
I’m assuming you realize I’m being facetious about the disinfectant.

On the bright side, it’s pretty much impossible to buy Lysol these days anyways.

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Try Glade
Studies show its almost the same as Lysol
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Try Glade
Studies show its almost the same as Lysol

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would you snort that or inject it?.....asking for a friend

Much like Trump* you fail to grasp the concept of leadership.
Leaders don’t do it for you, they and the organizations they lead show the way and help others succeed.

Perhaps you fail to grasp the concept of sarcasm. I (thought it was obvious) do not believe we have to solve the problems of the rest of the world.

And, perhaps, you don't grasp that there are different styles of leadership, and that Trump has his style, as in: "The democratic leadership style (also called the participative style) is a combination of the autocratic and laissez-faire types of leaders. A democratic leader is someone who asks for input and considers feedback from their team before making a decision." Some people think Trump's style is strictly autocratic, but that is demonstrably not true.

And, of course, there are different goals that leaders wish to achieve. You seem to want the US to lead other countries in how to solve their problems. And that, somehow, we have been doing that as a country since WWII.

Other than providing military muscle and financial backing and just SETTING AN EXAMPLE, the other countries have had to do it their way. We helped make that possible for some with the aforesaid military and financial aid. But their success, or failure (some did not succeed, and some still depend on us) rested on their own leadership, not ours.

Have you watched Trump*s daily Rally?
And you believe he’s sane and competent?

You're not grasping the obvious. Trump is supremely competent at rallying a crowd, attracting huge crowds, persuading crowds. And he doesn't do that by dint of insanity. His speech and method is calculated and effective. He knows his audience. He knows the mythic heartbeat of middle America, and plays it extremely well. Many fear that as being an expression of all the phobes and isms they believe are dangerous and will bring us down. I disagree with them. You agree with them. But there is no doubt in anyone who is rational that he is very competent. The sanity bit is an idiotic red herring.

If so, I have some Lysol you can use.
I’m assuming you realize I’m being facetious about the disinfectant.

On the bright side, it’s pretty much impossible to buy Lysol these days anyways.


Thanks.

You'll be all set, just keep believing

"It's the Republican National Convention! Brought to you by Clorox. We make everyday life better, everyday. And we also cure COVID-19 if you inject it right into your veins. Also dissolves bone spurs."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d57zJr82dhQ

You'll be all set, just keep believing

"It's the Republican National Convention! Brought to you by Clorox. We make everyday life better, everyday. And we also cure COVID-19 if you inject it right into your veins. Also dissolves bone spurs."

I suppose I should just appreciate your humor rather than pointing out how imbecilic it is.

I suppose I should just appreciate your humor rather than pointing out how imbecilic it is.

Speaking of imbecilic, pointing to his head, Trump* went on: "I'm not a doctor. But I'm, like, a person that has a good you-know-what."

Speaking of imbecilic, pointing to his head, Trump* went on: "I'm not a doctor. But I'm, like, a person that has a good you-know-what."

I saw that. Kinda funny.

Are you not entertained?
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I think most people are hoping to be informed, rather than entertained.
The pressers are getting closer to the Three Stooges all the time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPd2uwfNiL0

Did you know Curly was a dog lover?
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You'll be all set, just keep believing

"It's the Republican National Convention! Brought to you by Clorox. We make everyday life better, everyday. And we also cure COVID-19 if you inject it right into your veins. Also dissolves bone spurs."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d57zJr82dhQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yA1hBTpXvb4

I’m entertained by the White House I cant believe he said it reality TV show. I really am having a hard time picking my favorite episode. Rake the forest was ok, water bomb the 800 year old cathedral was of course classic and who could forget the nuke a hurricane or the sharpie redraw episode. This new show inject yourself with disinfectants might go down as a favorite. Every time I think I’ve heard it all I just need to tune into the White House I can’t believe he said it show, if you haven’t seen it and need a laugh, I highly recommend it.

This new show inject yourself with disinfectants might go down as a favorite.



nobody said this which is why your stupidity eclipses even trump's

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yA1hBTpXvb4

That's very nice, as Dr Birx said "when she came on in March", but you still missed the same month as the administration that Trump* leads.

The fish rots from the head.

As the virus spread from China across the United States between January and early March, large-scale testing of people who might have been infected did not happen. Because of technical flaws, regulatory hurdles, business-as-usual bureaucracies and lack of leadership at multiple levels.

The result was a lost month, when the world’s richest country with the highly trained scientists and infectious disease specialists, missed its best chance of containing the virus’s spread.

In that month Trump* claimed

February 7th
He is strong, sharp and powerfully focused on leading the counterattack on the coronavirus. He feels they are doing very well, even building hospitals in a matter of only days. Nothing is easy, but he will be successful, especially as the weather starts to warm & the virus hopefully becomes weaker, and then gone. Great discipline is taking place in China, as President Xi strongly leads what will be a very successful operation. We are working closely with China to help!

February 10th
Well, I think China is very, you know, professionally run, in the sense that they have everything under control. I really believe they are going to have it under control fairly soon.

February 14th
I spoke with President Xi of China, and he’s working very hard on this. It’s a tremendous problem. But they’re very capable and they’ll—they’ll get to it. There’s a theory that, in April, when it gets warm—historically, that has been able to kill the virus. So we don’t know yet; we’re not sure yet. But that’s around the corner, so that’ll be a great thing in China and other places.

February 18th
I think President Xi is working very hard. As you know, I spoke with him recently. He’s working really hard. It’s a tough problem. I think he’s going to do—look, I’ve seen them build hospitals in a short period of time. I really believe he wants to get that done, and he wants to get it done fast. Yes, I think he’s doing it very professionally. We’re also working with him and helping him, as of the last few days, as you know.

February 23rd
No, I think President Xi is working very, very hard. I spoke to him. He’s working very hard. I think he’s doing a very good job. It’s a big problem. But President Xi loves his country. He’s working very hard to solve the problem and he will solve the problem. Okay?

February 25th
I spoke with President Xi. We had a great talk. He’s working very hard, I have to say. He’s working very, very hard. And if you can count on the reports coming out of China, that spread has gone down quite a bit. The infection seems to have gone down over the last two days. As opposed to getting larger, it’s actually gotten smaller. In one instance where we think we can be—it’s somewhat reliable, it seems to have gotten quite a bit smaller.

March 3rd
Well, we’re looking at different areas, and we’ll make that decision with these professionals. We made an early decision based on a little bit of luck, I suspect, but that was the original decision on China itself. And China, in all fairness to them, they never blamed us. It was, you know, a tough decision for them, but they fully understood. They were very reasonable about it.

March 4th
We’re dealing with China. President Xi, who I speak with, President Xi is working very, very hard in China. They have a big problem. But their numbers have gotten much better with respect to the coronavirus, very much better.

March 6th
And I’ve heard the numbers are getting much better in China, but I hear the numbers are getting much better in Italy, et cetera, et cetera. But what I hear—so we have 240 cases, 11 deaths. Everything is too much and it’s true. I don’t want 11 deaths. I don’t want any deaths, right? But over the last long period of time, when people have the flu, you have an average of 36,000 people dying. I’ve never heard those numbers. I would—I would’ve been shocked. I would’ve said, “Does anybody die from the flu?” I didn’t know people died from the flu—36,000 people died.

He repeated Chinese propaganda from the beginning till mid March, ignored our resources that were trying to tell him what was going on and failed to lead. He listened to his "points to empty head".

Today we are approaching 60 thousand dead.

Spin that.

The amount of folks who have recovered has eclipsed 100K.
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Yesterday there were 32,796 new confirmed cases and this week the total number of cases will reach 1 million.

nobody said this which is why your stupidity eclipses even trump's

Reportedly hundreds already have called their primary care asking if doing just that is safe and effective, apparently they, the news media, even Dr. Brix who couldn’t believe what she was hearing all mistook the incredibly helpful “sarcastic” question wrong. It was just one of countless dumb remarks that prove he needs to follow the yellow brick road and ask the wizard of Oz for a brain. Actually while there a heart would help too and we all know he has courage having served in the military, oh wait crap he better get a three way. He knows all about getting those I’m sure.

Reportedly hundreds already have called their primary care asking if doing just that is safe and effective, apparently they, the news media, even Dr. Brix who couldn’t believe what she was hearing all mistook the incredibly helpful “sarcastic” question wrong. It was just one of countless dumb remarks that prove he needs to follow the yellow brick road and ask the wizard of Oz for a brain. Actually while there a heart would help too and we all know he has courage having served in the military, oh wait crap he better get a three way. He knows all about getting those I’m sure.

These folks will all be outed as political plants who self sacrifice in the name of stupidity.
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That's very nice, as Dr Birx said "when she came on in March", but you still missed the same month as the administration that Trump* leads.

The fish rots from the head.

As the virus spread from China across the United States between January and early March, large-scale testing of people who might have been infected did not happen. Because of technical flaws, regulatory hurdles, business-as-usual bureaucracies and lack of leadership at multiple levels.

The result was a lost month, when the world’s richest country with the highly trained scientists and infectious disease specialists, missed its best chance of containing the virus’s spread . . . . spin that.


I didn't miss anything. Your bullet points are not a revelation. You and the media have given us a repetition of timelines aplenty. I posted the video merely as a response to your video. Personally, I didn't see much of a reaction by Birx in the video you posted. Maybe it's there and I don't want to see it. If it is there, it certainly isn't very pronounced. But I think your point was that she was dismayed, or disgusted, or annoyed, or something negative toward Trump's comments. The video I posted didn't back that notion up at all, but even seemed complimentary to Trump.

And there are other timelines that don't blame Trump. And more than one thing was said by Trump on those particular days and on other days. Other politicians and medical experts have timelines of saying things that are supportive of Trump and/or are similar to various things Trump said. It's a trick to pick various statements Trump made on various days, all of which are Trump negative, but disregard all other things Trump has said and done.

In particular, Trump saying supportive things about adversaries with whom he is negotiating is very common, and are often inconsistent, and I have always taken them with a grain of salt. His actions speak much louder than the sometimes strange way he speaks. I like a lot of what he has done. I understand that you need to spin his words and create or paste timelines in a certain way. Knock yourself out.

I didn't miss anything. Your bullet points are not a revelation. You and the media have given us a repetition of timelines aplenty. I posted the video merely as a response to your video. Personally, I didn't see much of a reaction by Birx in the video you posted. Maybe it's there and I don't want to see it. If it is there, it certainly isn't very pronounced. But I think your point was that she was dismayed, or disgusted, or annoyed, or something negative toward Trump's comments. The video I posted didn't back that notion up at all, but even seemed complimentary to Trump.

And there are other timelines that don't blame Trump. And more than one thing was said by Trump on those particular days and on other days. Other politicians and medical experts have timelines of saying things that are supportive of Trump and/or are similar to various things Trump said. It's a trick to pick various statements Trump made on various days, all of which are Trump negative, but disregard all other things Trump has said and done.

In particular, Trump saying supportive things about adversaries with whom he is negotiating is very common, and are often inconsistent, and I have always taken them with a grain of salt. His actions speak much louder than the sometimes strange way he speaks. I like a lot of what he has done. I understand that you need to spin his words and create or paste timelines in a certain way. Knock yourself out.

So you believe he continually says and does something else that produced no results even though his tweets and statements are pretty clear and you don't produce any contradictory information.

You claim there is another timeline somewhere out there, sounds like a fraudulent claim to me or at best a trick to support Trump*.

You can't believe what he says because it might mean something else.

Remember there are several different explanations floated by the administration regarding the light and disinfectant debacle.

Dr. Birx claimed he was thinking out loud and riffing.

White House press secretary Kayleigh McEnany "President Trump has repeatedly said that Americans should consult with medical doctors regarding coronavirus treatment, a point that he emphasized again during yesterday's briefing," she said. "Leave it to the media to irresponsibly take President Trump out of context and run with negative headlines,"

"I was asking a question sarcastically to reporters like you just to see what would happen," Trump told reporters in the Oval Office.

The funniest thing about the "I was just being sarcastic" defense is it comes after almost a full day of his supporters and Press Secretary claiming no, he actually never said to inject yourself with disinfectant and the media is totally taking him out of context.

Someone is certainly fake there and it doesn't look like the media is the one.

Over 54,000 Americans have died from COVID-19, and somehow Donald Trump* is the victim.

So you believe he continually says and does something else that produced no results even though his tweets and statements are pretty clear and you don't produce any contradictory information.

I don't really grasp what you're trying to say here. And I have produced contradictory information in other posts. But you say you don't read them.

You claim there is another timeline somewhere out there, sounds like a fraudulent claim to me or at best a trick to support Trump*.

I have posted a couple of other timelines but you say you don't read my posts.

You can't believe what he says because it might mean something else.

I didn't say that. I have said in other posts what I believe about his saying nice stuff about adversaries, but you say you don't read my posts.

Remember there are several different explanations floated by the administration regarding the light and disinfectant debacle.

Dr. Birx claimed he was thinking out loud and riffing.

White House press secretary Kayleigh McEnany "President Trump has repeatedly said that Americans should consult with medical doctors regarding coronavirus treatment, a point that he emphasized again during yesterday's briefing," she said. "Leave it to the media to irresponsibly take President Trump out of context and run with negative headlines,"

Yeah there are explanations that differ from your implications.

"I was asking a question sarcastically to reporters like you just to see what would happen," Trump told reporters in the Oval Office.

The funniest thing about the "I was just being sarcastic" defense is it comes after almost a full day of his supporters and Press Secretary claiming no, he actually never said to inject yourself with disinfectant and the media is totally taking him out of context.

Someone is certainly fake there and it doesn't look like the media is the one.

I don't consider his remarks about disinfectants or sunlight to be important enough to make a continued fuss about. Dr Birx said she was bothered by the continued fuss that was drowning out more important information about what progress was being made, or something to that effect. I could perfectly understand Trump being sarcastic enough to say he was being sarcastic just to get off the subject and on to more important things.

Over 54,000 Americans have died from COVID-19, and somehow Donald Trump* is the victim.

He is not THE victim of COVID-19. He is A victim of biased media coverage. But that is to be expected.

From an article by Tom Tillison in the April 26 in BPR Busines and Politics:

Democrats and their elitist media enablers continue to push the dishonest narrative that President Trump was advocating for people to ingest a cleaning and disinfecting product like Lysol to counter the coronavirus.

Twisting his words to the point of ridiculousness, the narrative was widely picked up by media outlets in the quest to paint the president as a bumbling idiot — which is an ongoing campaign that began before Trump ever took office.

The maneuver is so over the top that White House coronavirus response coordinator Dr. Deborah Birx called the media out for it during an appearance on CNN’s “State of the Union.”

After playing a deceptively edited clip of the president’s remarks, anchor Jake Tapper asked what can easily be seen as an ignorant question: “What should the American people know about disinfectants in the human body?”

“That was a dialogue he was having between the Department of Homeland Security scientists and himself for information that he had received and he was discussing,” she explained to Tapper.

“We have made it clear, and when he turned to me, I made it clear and he understood that it was not as a treatment. And I think that kind of dialogue will happen,” Dr. Birx said. “I think what got lost in there, which is very unfortunate in what happened next, is that study was critically important for the American people.”

The study she is referring to is the impact sunlight has on the coronavirus, as well as heat and humidity — Trump was talking about powerful ultraviolet light being used as a possible deterrent to the virus, referring to it as a “disinfectant.”

With the November election fast approaching, Tapper was determined to score points against the president and continued to misrepresent his meaning.

“[Trump] was talking about ways to take that science and somehow turn it into injecting UV light or disinfectants into the human body which, as you know, especially with disinfectants, can be lethal,” Tapper said. “And the CDC had to issue a statement, Lysol had to issue a statement.”

Pressing on the matter he tried his best to drive a wedge between Birx and Trump.

“I understand that you’re taking a generous approach to this when it comes to President Trump musing aloud, but this is potentially dangerous,” Tapper continued. “Poison control centers got calls from people and they had to issue statements saying do not internally use disinfectants. As a doctor, doesn’t that bother you that you have to spend any time discussing this?”

“Well, I think it bothers me that this is still in the news cycle,” Birx said. “Because I think we’re missing the bigger pieces of what we need to be doing as an American people to continue to protect one another, and we should be having that dialogue…”

From an article by Tom Tillison in the April 26 in BPR Busines and Politics:

Democrats and their elitist media enablers continue to push the dishonest narrative that President Trump was advocating for people to ingest a cleaning and disinfecting product like Lysol to counter the coronavirus.

Twisting his words to the point of ridiculousness, the narrative was widely picked up by media outlets in the quest to paint the president as a bumbling idiot — which is an ongoing campaign that began before Trump ever took office.

The maneuver is so over the top that White House coronavirus response coordinator Dr. Deborah Birx called the media out for it during an appearance on CNN’s “State of the Union.”

After playing a deceptively edited clip of the president’s remarks, anchor Jake Tapper asked what can easily be seen as an ignorant question: “What should the American people know about disinfectants in the human body?”

“That was a dialogue he was having between the Department of Homeland Security scientists and himself for information that he had received and he was discussing,” she explained to Tapper.

“We have made it clear, and when he turned to me, I made it clear and he understood that it was not as a treatment. And I think that kind of dialogue will happen,” Dr. Birx said. “I think what got lost in there, which is very unfortunate in what happened next, is that study was critically important for the American people.”

The study she is referring to is the impact sunlight has on the coronavirus, as well as heat and humidity — Trump was talking about powerful ultraviolet light being used as a possible deterrent to the virus, referring to it as a “disinfectant.”

With the November election fast approaching, Tapper was determined to score points against the president and continued to misrepresent his meaning.

“[Trump] was talking about ways to take that science and somehow turn it into injecting UV light or disinfectants into the human body which, as you know, especially with disinfectants, can be lethal,” Tapper said. “And the CDC had to issue a statement, Lysol had to issue a statement.”

Pressing on the matter he tried his best to drive a wedge between Birx and Trump.

“I understand that you’re taking a generous approach to this when it comes to President Trump musing aloud, but this is potentially dangerous,” Tapper continued. “Poison control centers got calls from people and they had to issue statements saying do not internally use disinfectants. As a doctor, doesn’t that bother you that you have to spend any time discussing this?”

“Well, I think it bothers me that this is still in the news cycle,” Birx said. “Because I think we’re missing the bigger pieces of what we need to be doing as an American people to continue to protect one another, and we should be having that dialogue…”

As usual you miss the point many try to make. If Trump wanted that question answered, he should have done that behind closed doors and then he doesn't look like a tool and idiot for asking it on national TV. Then the idiots that follow this guy like he knows what he is talking about medically don’t start drinking the crap or calling their primary care doctors wasting their time to ask if it’s a good remedy. You at times appear to be a smart guy, other times it’s just flag waving nonsense.

Democrats and their elitist media enablers continue to push the dishonest narrative that President Trump was advocating for people to ingest a cleaning and disinfecting product like Lysol to counter the coronavirus.

Only Trump supporters actually think the above statement is what everyone else except them is really thinking. ..

So Trumps supporters have no issues with his inability convey a simple message with out looking like a fool ... see his other stellar statements for more examples

But do they understand this man has the sole authority to launch a nuke

the next day his faithful , would start telling us he was being sarcastic or it was only a hurricane , and name some obscure study to point out his genius



When during the campaign I would say, 'Mexico's going to pay for it,' obviously I never said this and I never meant they're going to write out a check." January 10 (South Lawn)

And a lot of people, including me, thought soccer would probably never make it in this country, but it really is moving forward rapidly." February 3 (Super Bowl interview)
Paging @MeninBlazers!!!! This was part of Trump's answer to whether he would allow his son, Barron, to play football.

Some of the most dishonest people in media are the so-called 'fact-checkers.'

I have pretty good vision. At least for my age, I have good vision. I guess for my age, I have great vision.

And don't forget Biden deserted you. He's not from Pennsylvania. I guess he was born here, but he left you folks. He left you for another state." May 20 (Pennsylvania rally)
Biden left his home state of Pennsylvania when he was 10 years old!


It was Jackie O., and that's good, but we have our own Jackie O. today. It's called Melania. We'll call it Melania T." June 14 (Fox & Friends) he calls his wife IT?

Don't worry about the rain, umbrellas work very well, especially when they're made in America." August 13 (Pennsylvania speech)

If you have a windmill anywhere near your house, congratulations, your house just went down 75 percent in value. And they say the noise causes cancer,” the president said


Trump on Puerto Rican crisis: 'This is an island surrounded by water, big water, ocean water'

As usual you miss the point many try to make. If Trump wanted that question answered, he should have done that behind closed doors and then he doesn't look like a tool and idiot for asking it on national TV. Then the idiots that follow this guy like he knows what he is talking about medically don’t start drinking the crap or calling their primary care doctors wasting their time to ask if it’s a good remedy. You at times appear to be a smart guy, other times it’s just flag waving nonsense.

I didn't miss that "point." I presented other points. Including Dr. Birx's.

I agree that he should keep a tighter lip, especially in talking about things that don't really matter. And especially because of the way he phrases his words. He knows how the press will frame any thing he says that is even a little bit "off." I would rather that he would quietly go about his business and keep doing good stuff, and quit feeding the oppo Press with fake fodder. That may never happen. So I make the responding points.

And, as I have said, claiming that dummies will do stupid stuff because of how they hear Trump is a red herring. The oppo Press has claimed all kinds of consequences, like riots, Alt-Right terrorism, gun violence, bullying, racism, rise of anti-Semitism, attacks on homosexuals, ingesting poison, to Trump's words which did not call for any of those things. So, therefore, Trump must be gagged because any thing he says might somehow "spark" devastating consequences. But that would be near impossible since the twisting of his words is intentional, and will continue no matter what he says.

And no, not waving a flag. Just trying to point out the truth as I see it. I'm sure you're doing the same.

Trump will no longer hold daily coronavirus propaganda briefings. A gigantic win for all Americans, and for all of humanity.
I give him 4 days before he does another, unless he can go play golf.
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99% survival rate
Better than we would’ve hoped for.
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99% survival rate
Better than we would’ve hoped for.
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one death is too many, but the totals are far lower than models predicted.
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Trump* a few weeks ago said he now expects "around 60,000, maybe 65,000" American deaths from the coronavirus. He indicates he'll proclaim any total under 100,000 as a reflection of what a great job his government did.

“A lot of people think that goes away in April with the heat—as the heat comes in.”

Just what rattles around in his empty head?
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Bitchslappedboy, when you tried to instill fear by spreading the modeling predictions that indicate 100,000 to 250,000 deaths it did not work. Keep ringing the bell while quick decisions save more lives.
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MR1
Just resort to name calling because the truth upsets your narrative and unfortunately we are on our way to those numbers.
Stay safe
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MR1
Just resort to name calling because the truth upsets your narrative and unfortunately we are on our way to those numbers.
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Bitchslappedboy,Your sheep are not as scared as they were a few weeks ago. You have a better chance of dying from the flu than corona.LIGHT AT THE END OF THE TUNNEL.
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You must have really good eye sight, because this is far from over and this country is still in catch up mode. Testing and tracing are still far behind. No surprise your parroting the optimism Trump wants to spread in order to get the economy going. But hey you thought the hundreds of callers asking if shallowing or injecting themselves with Clorox or other disinfectants were liberal plants. It’s hard for anyone to take you seriously, I suspect the light you see is glare from the foil hat you where. On a side note, my boys report multiple EMS calls and ER trips for people with severe gastrointestinal burns after drinking the wrong stuff, that’s Boston and here on the south shore. Proving again, some people are very easily pushed in the wrong direction when they are scared and most importantly the words of the president matter. Keep the idiot away from the podium.

The FDA had to issue a warning to NOT take hydroxychloriquin and after Trumps idiotic briefing, the White House had to issue a warning for Americans to NOT consider drinking or injecting themselves with disinfectants. Two markers for where we are and when the second wave comes I wonder what miracle cure Trump might throw in the air.

You must have really good eye sight, because this is far from over and this country is still in catch up mode. Testing and tracing are still far behind. No surprise your parroting the optimism Trump wants to spread in order to get the economy going. But hey you thought the hundreds of callers asking if shallowing or injecting themselves with Clorox or other disinfectants were liberal plants. It’s hard for anyone to take you seriously, I suspect the light you see is glare from the foil hat you where. On a side note, my boys report multiple EMS calls and ER trips for people with severe gastrointestinal burns after drinking the wrong stuff, that’s Boston and here on the south shore. Proving again, some people are very easily pushed in the wrong direction when they are scared and most importantly the words of the president matter. Keep the idiot away from the podium.

The FDA had to issue a warning to NOT take hydroxychloriquin and after Trumps idiotic briefing, the White House had to issue a warning for Americans to NOT consider drinking or injecting themselves with disinfectants. Two markers for where we are and when the second wave comes I wonder what miracle cure Trump might throw in the air.

It's far from over, but most in the medical community believe we're going to fare much better than original models forecasted. There's basically a consensus on that.

"the White House had to issue a warning for Americans to NOT consider drinking or injecting themselves with disinfectants."

Because of the way that your side spun what he actually said.

Do you see a meaningful difference, between asking if something could ever be possible. and suggesting that people do it today?

It would have been better had Trump asked that in private. Not that there's anything inherently wrong with asking if something is possible, but he should have known how dishonestly your side would spin it.

And if asking if light or disinfectants could ever be a help here is so stupid to ask, why are scientists doing trials to see if disinfectants (chlorine in this case) and UV light can help? Scientists are currently exploring the same avenues that he asked about.

It's far from over, but most in the medical community believe we're going to fare much better than original models forecasted. There's basically a consensus on that.

"the White House had to issue a warning for Americans to NOT consider drinking or injecting themselves with disinfectants."

Because of the way that your side spun what he actually said.

Do you see a meaningful difference, between asking if something could ever be possible. and suggesting that people do it today?

It would have been better had Trump asked that in private. Not that there's anything inherently wrong with asking if something is possible, but he should have known how dishonestly your side would spin it.

And if asking if light or disinfectants could ever be a help here is so stupid to ask, why are scientists doing trials to see if disinfectants (chlorine in this case) and UV light can help? Scientists are currently exploring the same avenues that he asked about.

Our “side” heard the question on national TV and reasonable people understand that it should have never been asked, Trump meandering medical questions belong in private. Spin isn’t why the scared, or mentality ill or people just overwhelmed might drink that crap. The spin and the reporting on our “side” suggest at every turn how wrong and how dangerous that would be. The warnings were issued because they realized it was stupid and it might result in serious injury or death if followed. I get that you guys want to defend him even if he shoots someone on 5th ave, but wrong and stupid are just wrong and stupid.

To make it clear to all what a smuck he is, he claimed he was being sarcastic. So let’s for a second consider that might be true, which we all know is false, the president in a national crisis with Americans dying and suffering for months, feels sarcasm is appropriate. That walk back attempt is Trump being the low life he is.

You must have really good eye sight, because this is far from over and this country is still in catch up mode. Testing and tracing are still far behind. No surprise your parroting the optimism Trump wants to spread in order to get the economy going. But hey you thought the hundreds of callers asking if shallowing or injecting themselves with Clorox or other disinfectants were liberal plants. It’s hard for anyone to take you seriously, I suspect the light you see is glare from the foil hat you where. On a side note, my boys report multiple EMS calls and ER trips for people with severe gastrointestinal burns after drinking the wrong stuff, that’s Boston and here on the south shore. Proving again, some people are very easily pushed in the wrong direction when they are scared and most importantly the words of the president matter. Keep the idiot away from the podium.

The FDA had to issue a warning to NOT take hydroxychloriquin and after Trumps idiotic briefing, the White House had to issue a warning for Americans to NOT consider drinking or injecting themselves with disinfectants. Two markers for where we are and when the second wave comes I wonder what miracle cure Trump might throw in the air.
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Spun, really or was he being sarcastic?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KG0ciGfJ1xY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMSY-F2zEzw

Hydroxochloroqine is still being tested for a cure ,this time with famotidine. An ingredient in Pepcid,a heartburn medication. Keep America great!
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Spun, really or was he being sarcastic?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KG0ciGfJ1xY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMSY-F2zEzw

Yes, spun.

He asked "is there a way" to use light or disinfectant. The left and the media went berserk, saying that he suggested people inject it.

GS, for the tenth time, why was it stupid to ask if there's a way, given that we now know that scientists are already working to answer that exact question.

Trump was rambling about how interesting the science is (and it's very interesting). He mentioned that light and disinfectants kill the virus, so he continued the thought and asked "is there a way" to use those things to safely combat the virus? Why wouldn't you ask that that question? Scientists are working right now to answer that same exact question. Are they stupid and reckless?

As to saying he was sarcastic...in his initial statement, your side is saying he meant something (inject yourself with Lysol) very different from what he actually said. But when he says he was being sarcastic, you take him at his word.

So when he says something harmless, you claim he meant something else. When he says he was being sarcastic, you take him at his word.

How about we hold him accountable for what he actually says and does? I didn't like his sarcasm explanation, because there was nothing remotely wrong with what he originally said, unless you are a dishonest ideologue.

The vaccine, necessarily, must include something that kills the virus, right? Right now, there are only so many things that we know of, that kill it. Why in Gods name wouldn't we explore every single one of those, to see if they can be safely used?

What's more lethal - Lysol or radioactive material? But we figured out how to use radiation to safely help cancer patients.

Yes, spun.

He asked "is there a way" to use light or disinfectant. The left and the media went berserk, saying that he suggested people inject it.

GS, for the tenth time, why was it stupid to ask if there's a way, given that we now know that scientists are already working to answer that exact question.

Trump was rambling about how interesting the science is (and it's very interesting). He mentioned that light and disinfectants kill the virus, so he continued the thought and asked "is there a way" to use those things to safely combat the virus? Why wouldn't you ask that that question? Scientists are working right now to answer that same exact question. Are they stupid and reckless?

As to saying he was sarcastic...in his initial statement, your side is saying he meant something (inject yourself with Lysol) very different from what he actually said. But when he says he was being sarcastic, you take him at his word.

So when he says something harmless, you claim he meant something else. When he says he was being sarcastic, you take him at his word.

How about we hold him accountable for what he actually says and does? I didn't like his sarcasm explanation, because there was nothing remotely wrong with what he originally said, unless you are a dishonest ideologue.

The vaccine, necessarily, must include something that kills the virus, right? Right now, there are only so many things that we know of, that kill it. Why in Gods name wouldn't we explore every single one of those, to see if they can be safely used?

What's more lethal - Lysol or radioactive material? But we figured out how to use radiation to safely help cancer patients.

If people die or suffer severe intestinal burns, which I already know has happened, then it's a stupid question to ask on national TV and frankly if you kids lives depended on your honest opinion; I'd be shocked if you didn't agree it was stupid.

Believe him if he said it was sarcasm, absolutely not, that's the classic Trump walk back. I know it wasn't sarcasm it was just a lame arse question which should have been asked in private. Had he asked the experts in private, they would have said in their own way, what are you crazy. Then at least, he would have been saved the public embarrassment he so richly deserves.

Had he asked the experts in private, they would have said in their own way, what are you crazy. .

If the notion of using disinfectants is crazy, please explain where there are clinical trials to see if chlorine (a powerful disinfectant) can be used to combat the virus?

I keep posting this. you guys keep ignoring it.

It's not crazy, in fact the scientists are working on it. Also working to see if UV light can be used. I posted links to those trials. Real, actual scientists are conducting those trials. It would be crazy NOT to look into it.

Again, facts and truth don't matter. Bashing Trump matters. What other possible explanation is there? Professional scientists are doing EXACTLY what Trump asked about. So please explain how it's crazy?

If the notion of using disinfectants is crazy, please explain where there are clinical trials to see if chlorine (a powerful disinfectant) can be used to combat the virus?

I keep posting this. you guys keep ignoring it.

It's not crazy, in fact the scientists are working on it. Also working to see if UV light can be used. I posted links to those trials. Real, actual scientists are conducting those trials. It would be crazy NOT to look into it.

Again, facts and truth don't matter. Bashing Trump matters. What other possible explanation is there? Professional scientists are doing EXACTLY what Trump asked about. So please explain how it's crazy?

Trials are all well an good, except those happen in the background, where the experts can set up, run and comment. Are you that intent on defending him, that you can't admit his comments on that stage were wrong, stupid and dangerous. You are kidding yourself or just that intent on defending this clown, that you can't be honest about it. The dead will soon be following his advice, it's called embalming.

Trials are all well an good, except those happen in the background, where the experts can set up, run and comment. Are you that intent on defending him, that you can't admit his comments on that stage were wrong, stupid and dangerous. You are kidding yourself or just that intent on defending this clown, that you can't be honest about it. The dead will soon be following his advice, it's called embalming.

"Trials are all well an good'

OK, you're all over the place. In your last post, you said Trump was "crazy" for asking if there was a way to do this. Now you say trials make sense. So according to you, it's reasonable for scientists to ask the question, and reasonable for them to attempt to answer the question. But it's "crazy" for Trump to ask the same question?

"in the background, where the experts can set up, run and comment."

Was trump telling them how to set it up or conduct experiments? Or did he simply ask if it was possible?

The existance of trials doesn't need to be a secret. Nor did Trumps question (and it was a question, not a conclusion) need to be in private, except for your side's reflex to lie about what he says.

"Are you that intent on defending him'

In general, no. In this case, I am intent on defending the truth of what happened. You are intent on attacking him.

JFK bragged, way ahead of time, that we'd put a man on the moon. I doubt Republicans responded by accusing him of encouraging citizens of going up on their roofs with homemade rockets and launching themselves into the atmosphere.

Your side cannot be rational when it comes to this guy. It may well be his path to re-election.

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I can tell someone isn't a boomer.
Everyone wanted a rocket.
Lot's of people made them, though the interest actually predated JFK by a few years.

If Trump*s covid briefings were done by a training department or subcontractor for any successful business in the USA, the project manager would have been replaced.
If not after the first one, surely the second.

Trump was rambling

And that's his problem :jump:

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You ignored my questions, and lobbed a vague, baseless insult instead. As we all know, that's liberalspeak for "you got me, therefore I don't want to talk about this anymore,"

Trump asked "if there was a way" to use UV lights or disinfectants to combat the virus. You said this was, in your exact words, "crazy".

But scientists also asked this question, and thought it was reasonable enough to experiment on. When scientists do this, you say it's "well and good".

Again, I can only imagine what your reaction would have been, if you heard someone say "I wonder if radioactive material can be used to help cancer patients"?

Professional scientists asked themselves the same exact question that Trump asked, and decided it was promising enough to look into.

You got pulverized here. Pulverized. That doesn't mean Trump is always right, doesn't mean he's a man of character. But your side humiliated themselves on this one issue, and showed very clearly their inability to be a little bit rational.

Trump was rambling

And that's his problem :jump:

That's why I picked that word, he was rambling all over.

But nowhere, did he even come close, to suggesting that people inject disinfectant. He said that light and disinfectants can kill the virus (which is true), and then asked a doctor if there's a way to use those safely to combat the virus. It's an obvious question which would be insane not to ask.

In fact, professional scientists are ahead of Trump...they asked the same exact question, and decided it was worth finding the answer to that question.

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You're right, I am...

Trials are all well an good.

So what do you think Trump was suggesting, when during his comments about UV light and disinfectants, he said this, to a doctor, about possibly using UV light or disinfectants...

"it would be interesting to check that'.

You don't think he was referring to doing research, which you just said is "well and good"?

There's always a tweet

Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump· Nov 8, 2013

Leadership: Whatever happens, you're responsible. If it doesn't happen, you're responsible.

MARCH 13, 2020

“I don’t take responsibility at all.”
Donald Trump

U.S. intelligence agencies issued warnings about the novel coronavirus in more than a dozen classified briefings prepared for President Trump in January and February, months during which he continued to play down the threat, repeat and support Chinese propaganda.

So he's correct when he said today that "There has been so much unnecessary death in this country. It could have been stopped and it could have been stopped short, but somebody a long time ago, it seems, decided not to do it that way. And the whole world is suffering because of it."

There's always a tweet

Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump· Nov 8, 2013

Leadership: Whatever happens, you're responsible. If it doesn't happen, you're responsible.

I'm assuming that by "happens" he meant the result of his leadership. Not just anything that happens, someone farts or some previous leader leaving behind some hidden problem.

MARCH 13, 2020

“I don’t take responsibility at all.”
Donald Trump

I believe he was referring to the shortage of test kits or supplies not replenished by the previous administration and the incompetence of the entrenched CDC bureaucracy to speedily produce them. His responsibility would have been to fix that. And he did. Not quickly enough to your liking, obviously.

U.S. intelligence agencies issued warnings about the novel coronavirus in more than a dozen classified briefings prepared for President Trump in January and February, months during which he continued to play down the threat, repeat and support Chinese propaganda.

The "playing down" was done by the medical experts, WHO, the Dems, as well. He did everything his medical expert staff, Fauci, Birx, et al, asked him to do. WHO praised China and supported its propaganda (whatever that vague phrase means). And I don't know what Intelligence was saying and who else besides Trump knew.

So he's correct when he said today that "There has been so much unnecessary death in this country. It could have been stopped and it could have been stopped short, but somebody a long time ago, it seems, decided not to do it that way. And the whole world is suffering because of it."

Yes, I agree with him. If the CCP had stopped travel out of China at the same time it stopped travel inside China to and from Wuhan, we and the rest of the world would have been spared these unnecessary deaths.

There's always a tweet

Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump· Nov 8, 2013

Leadership: Whatever happens, you're responsible. If it doesn't happen, you're responsible.

I'm assuming that by "happens" he meant the result of his leadership. Not just anything that happens, someone farts or some previous leader leaving behind some hidden problem.

I'm assuming that english is his first language and that he means what he wrote. A pandemic is not a fart and he was apprised of the possibility of this event both by the previous administration and his own. I'm assuming that if you take the job and the oath it's sort of like "The Buck Stops Here" not however far you can kick it down the road.

MARCH 13, 2020

“I don’t take responsibility at all.”
Donald Trump

I believe he was referring to the shortage of test kits or supplies not replenished by the previous administration and the incompetence of the entrenched CDC bureaucracy to speedily produce them. His responsibility would have been to fix that. And he did. Not quickly enough to your liking, obviously.

There you go translating again, from english to excuse. There were no tests for an unknown virus prior to the tests being developed so how could any prior administration have any culpability in the failure of Trump* and his appointees to shepherd the testing thru the process. That's the job of an administrator, not the previous administration. If he was missing some supplies he had three years of which in two his party had control of both houses and the WH.

U.S. intelligence agencies issued warnings about the novel coronavirus in more than a dozen classified briefings prepared for President Trump in January and February, months during which he continued to play down the threat, repeat and support Chinese propaganda.

The "playing down" was done by the medical experts, WHO, the Dems, as well. He did everything his medical expert staff, Fauci, Birx, et al, asked him to do. WHO praised China and supported its propaganda (whatever that vague phrase means). And I don't know what Intelligence was saying and who else besides Trump knew.
The record does not support your statement. He is in charge, we have a much more robust surveillance apparatus than the WHO and they told him, the medical experts told him and he did not talk to the Dems nor allow any oversight. Trump repeated more Chinese propaganda than the WHO and seems to have forgotten the written and video record of himself playing it down as have you.

So he's correct when he said today that "There has been so much unnecessary death in this country. It could have been stopped and it could have been stopped short, but somebody a long time ago, it seems, decided not to do it that way. And the whole world is suffering because of it."

Yes, I agree with him. If the CCP had stopped travel out of China at the same time it stopped travel inside China to and from Wuhan, we and the rest of the world would have been spared these unnecessary deaths.

Pretty sad to complain that someone else let the horse out of the barn, when you did not insist on independent observers, removed the US government people implanted with Chinese agencies and failed to act.
If Trump* had pushed the development of testing like the South Korean government did by calling in their private medical industry and saying we will need the tests, what do you need from us to develop them and how soon can you do it? Instead he had one of his cabinet take care of it and it seems never checked, therefor it's not his fault?
If Trump* had listened to his advisors and pushed social distancing and other measures weeks ahead of when he reluctantly did, the lives lost could easily have been cut in half.
As it is he consistently fails to demonstrate the CDC recommendations, social distancing is incremental as is wearing a mask. Every little bit helps with community spread. It's not magic and a miracle is pretty unlikely.
He is a far cry from a capable leader, just a whining baby.
And you trust him to negotiate, he can't even answer tough questions.

I'm assuming that english is his first language and that he means what he wrote. A pandemic is not a fart and he was apprised of the possibility of this event both by the previous administration and his own. I'm assuming that if you take the job and the oath it's sort of like "The Buck Stops Here" not however far you can kick it down the road.

He didn't kick the can down the road. He acted on that which he had the responsibility to act. And he even took on much of the burdens that the states were responsible for. That it doesn't satisfy you is no surprise. It took a while to confirm that it was a pandemic. "Apprised of the possibility" is slippery English. And the apprising, as far as I know was in the form a pandemic protocol which nobody was acting on. The major portion of responsibility to be ready for a pandemic rested on the states. None were prepared. Nor did they act, nor did the previous administration act in preparation for the last seven years of its tenure. The WHO didn't act. Europe didn't act. No Dems were calling for action. The Press wasn't. All were downplaying it.

“I don’t take responsibility at all.”
Donald Trump

I believe he was referring to the shortage of test kits or supplies not replenished by the previous administration and the incompetence of the entrenched CDC bureaucracy to speedily produce them. His responsibility would have been to fix that. And he did. Not quickly enough to your liking, obviously.

There you go translating again, from english to excuse. There were no tests for an unknown virus prior to the tests being developed so how could any prior administration have any culpability in the failure of Trump* and his appointees to shepherd the testing thru the process. That's the job of an administrator, not the previous administration. If he was missing some supplies he had three years of which in two his party had control of both houses and the WH.

Trump didn't have the expertise to "shepherd" it through the process. But he did make it possible for non-government labs to start research on testing by removing an FDA regulation that prevented it. It took more time because of that and now we have massive testing capability.

U.S. intelligence agencies issued warnings about the novel coronavirus in more than a dozen classified briefings prepared for President Trump in January and February, months during which he continued to play down the threat, repeat and support Chinese propaganda.

What exactly were these warnings you keep talking about? Everybody else was playing down the threat, including the WHO, the Dems, the media, the medical experts.

He did everything his medical expert staff, Fauci, Birx, et al, asked him to do. WHO praised China and supported its propaganda (whatever that vague phrase means). And I don't know what Intelligence was saying and who else besides Trump knew.

The record does not support your statement. He is in charge, we have a much more robust surveillance apparatus than the WHO and they told him, the medical experts told him

What did they tell him?

Trump repeated more Chinese propaganda than the WHO and seems to have forgotten the written and video record of himself playing it down as have you.

Haven't forgot. Didn't make a count as to who did it most. Didn't think that it mattered. If WHO did it more you'd still attack Trump.

So he's correct when he said today that "There has been so much unnecessary death in this country. It could have been stopped and it could have been stopped short, but somebody a long time ago, it seems, decided not to do it that way. And the whole world is suffering because of it."

Yes, I agree with him. If the CCP had stopped travel out of China at the same time it stopped travel inside China to and from Wuhan, we and the rest of the world would have been spared these unnecessary deaths.


Pretty sad to complain that someone else let the horse out of the barn, when you did not insist on independent observers, removed the US government people implanted with Chinese agencies and failed to act.

The administration asked three times to allow the CDC to come to China to help with the situation there and were refused.

If Trump* had pushed the development of testing like the South Korean government did by calling in their private medical industry and saying we will need the tests, what do you need from us to develop them and how soon can you do it? Instead he had one of his cabinet take care of it and it seems never checked, therefor it's not his fault?

The FDA regulation had to be removed. It was. Testing development happened. By that time there was undoubtedly a huge infection problem. And yes, that's China's fault.

If Trump* had listened to his advisors and pushed social distancing and other measures weeks ahead of when he reluctantly did, the lives lost could easily have been cut in half.

Fauci and Birx said that Trump did everything they asked when they asked.

As it is he consistently fails to demonstrate the CDC recommendations, social distancing is incremental as is wearing a mask. Every little bit helps with community spread. It's not magic and a miracle is pretty unlikely.
He is a far cry from a capable leader, just a whining baby.
And you trust him to negotiate, he can't even answer tough questions.

It is up to the states to implement and enforce those recommendations. He answers a lot of tough questions. You don't like his answers.

February 7th
Question: “Are you concerned that China is covering up the full extent of the coronavirus?”

Trump: “No.”
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Hindsight is great
No,seriously
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“Complaining” is not the same as asking why it matters if we are doing more testing than any other country if every American who wants and needs a test still can’t get one.

53 days ago on March 6th, Trump* claimed they could.

It’s fair to keep asking and leaders answer tough questions or depart.

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"There is smoking gun evidence that while Donald Trump was telling Americans coronavirus would miraculously disappear, he was being briefed by his intelligence agencies about the pandemic's lethal spread and the threat it posed to American lives"

No way he knew before Congress or before he said anything, he would have paid attention, made sure there were tests and PPE, pushed for social distancing and other available measures earlier if he knew. After all as he says he is a Stable Genius, has a gut to go by and then points to head and makes circular motion.
I think he was just trying to tell us he's f'n nuts but opinions vary............