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Got Stripers

04-24-2020, 07:33 AM

I watched the full briefing. Part of it was a Bill Bryant (or Brian) a researcher on the coronavirus taskforce, discussing findings on the "emerging results" of the powerful effect of sun light/ultraviolet light and various disinfectants, among others, on the virus. Trump found that very interesting and promising, and verified with Bryant that testing would be done on exposing infected bodies to doses of ultra violet light and inquired and verified about the possibility of injecting various things, like alcohol into the infected body as well.

It was not nonsense. If you find it so, that's you. Many others might like to know what's being researched and discovered. The notion that Trump shouldn't talk about such things because some might do something foolish is a red herring.

I knew this was coming, you just couldn’t help yourself.

It is absolutely ridiculous for our president to even ask that question in a way that first makes him look like an idiot trying to be a medical expert (like every past briefing) and to give the scared or weak minded thoughts about a way to kill the virus which would actually kill them.

No need to continue, like I said before half of this forum will defend him even if he killed someone on fifth avenue and the other see him for what he is; a game show host and clown bumbling through a job he is so ill equipped to do. I don’t post much anymore, realizing a long time back there can never be any civil debate here, but when Trump gets as stupid as this I just had to comment.

PaulS

04-24-2020, 07:50 AM

Well it is a nothing burger bc if you inject Lysol it will eventually kill the virus so he is right. A snarky comment will be posted and someone will say you and your ilk are liars.

Got Stripers

04-24-2020, 07:56 AM

Just caught a video of the briefing and Dr. Birx’s face during and after Trumps comments say it all and if the comments weren’t nonsense and dangerous, why have numerous manufacturers come out immediately with cautions to never inject yourselves with their products. The fact they even felt that need is proof only the medical experts should be allowed to discuss anything medical, Trump should be there to answer questions like why he and his party doesn’t want any oversight over the way the stimulus money is handed out.

Sea Dangles

04-24-2020, 07:58 AM

Orange man bad
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PaulS

04-24-2020, 08:23 AM

not bad 8 min.

scottw

04-24-2020, 08:46 AM

I don’t post much anymore,

well, every day repeatedly.....define "much"

Got Stripers

04-24-2020, 08:53 AM

well, every day repeatedly.....define "much"

Everyday by the way means EVERYday, sorry if you aren't grasping that concept, but feel free to go research my posts for the past month, it's a very small amount compared to the action on this forum. Leave it to you to point out the irrelevant, carry on.

PaulS

04-24-2020, 08:55 AM

56 min. a little slow.

Sea Dangles

04-24-2020, 08:59 AM

Math major
Impressive
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detbuch

04-24-2020, 09:06 AM

I knew this was coming, you just couldn’t help yourself.

It is absolutely ridiculous for our president to even ask that question in a way that first makes him look like an idiot trying to be a medical expert (like every past briefing) and to give the scared or weak minded thoughts about a way to kill the virus which would actually kill them.

No need to continue, like I said before half of this forum will defend him even if he killed someone on fifth avenue and the other see him for what he is; a game show host and clown bumbling through a job he is so ill equipped to do. I don’t post much anymore, realizing a long time back there can never be any civil debate here, but when Trump gets as stupid as this I just had to comment.

I knew this was coming, you just couldn't help yourself.

BTW, Trump did not suggest anyone injecting themselves. Nor did he look like or try to look like a medical expert. Sometimes we see what we want to see. If you see what might be there or what you think is there rather than what is there, then you might be one of those weak minds you speak of. I could see how Trumps words could scare you.

Pete F.

04-24-2020, 09:23 AM

No, sorry, Trump is in fact an idiot. He was referring to the “disinfectants” mentioned by a DHS official about two minutes earlier. That official described “testing” (outside the human body) of “disinfectants readily available”—namely, “bleach” and “isopropyl alcohol.”

The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge.
—Stephen Hawking

Sea Dangles

04-24-2020, 09:25 AM

🙀
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PaulS

04-24-2020, 09:27 AM

Math major
Impressive
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2 degrees

HS doesn't count.

Jim in CT

04-24-2020, 09:35 AM

half of this forum will defend him even if he killed someone on fifth avenue and the other see him for what he is;.

Oh my yes, you guys really see him for what he is - that's hilarious. The ones who claim Russia stole the election, who claim he didn't help the economy, who attack him for putting kids in the same exact cages that Obama put kids in, the ones who say he didn't do enough in January but won't say a syllable about Pelosi and DiBlasio telling people to go out in public in late February, the ones who say the accusation was enough to disqualilfy Kavanaugh but won't say the same thing about Biden. You guys really see things accurately!

The only one here who never criticizes Trump is Dangles, and he's doing it to yank your chains, and it amazes me how willingly you comply.

Got Stripers, you liberals here are just as wrong about who Trump is, exactly as wrong, as Sean Hannity is - just the mirror image. Hannity ignores the ban and focuses on the good, you all ignore the good and focus on the bad. Don't you see that?

Trump sure isn't the Messiah Hannity claims him to be. Nor is he the cartoon villain you claim him to be.

If Biden wins in November, I will move my IRA to a more conservative position than I would if Trump won, I'll toss and turn for two nights, then I'll be fine. You guys...how are you going to cope if Trump gets re-elected?

The Dad Fisherman

04-24-2020, 09:40 AM

No, sorry, Trump is in fact an idiot. He was referring to the “disinfectants” mentioned by a DHS official about two minutes earlier. That official described “testing” (outside the human body) of “disinfectants readily available”—namely, “bleach” and “isopropyl alcohol

If I’m not mistaken, This is what they were talking about in regards to disinfectants.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3312702/
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Pete F.

04-24-2020, 09:54 AM

Here's the transcript and the last paragraph is Trump*s contribution to the portfolio of misinformation, quackery and jaw-dropping ignorance he has shared with the American people during the coronavirus pandemic.

Bill Bryan: (24:22)
We work closely with the CDC, FDA, HHS, and also our Department of Defense colleagues and many others. Yesterday, I shared the emerging results of our work that we’re doing now with the coronavirus task force and today I would like to share a certain trends that we believe are important. If I may have the first slide please. And while that’s coming up, our most striking observation to date is the powerful effect that solar light appears to have on killing the virus, both surfaces and in the air. We’ve seen a similar effect with both temperature and humidity as well, where increasing the temperature and humidity or both is generally less favorable to the virus. So, let me illustrate with this first slide. If you look to the right, you’ll see that term half-life with a bunch of timestamps on there. First, let me tell you what a half-life is. We don’t measure the virus as far as how long will it live on a surface. We have to measure the decay of the virus in terms of its half-life because we don’t know certain-

Bill Bryan: (25:27)
… That has a bearing on how long the virus is going to be alive and active. So, we measure it in half-life because half-life doesn’t change. So, if you look at an 18 hour half-life, what you’re basically saying is that every 18 hours the life of the virus is cut in half. So, if you start with 1000 particles of the virus, in 18 hours you’re down to 500, and 18 hours after that you’re down to 250 and so on and so forth. That’s important as I explain the rest of the chart. If you look at the first three lines, when you see the word surface, we’re talking about non porous surfaces. Door handles, stainless steel, and if you look at as the temperature increases as the humidity increases with no sun involved, you can see how drastically the half-life goes down on that virus.

Bill Bryan: (26:09)
So, the virus is dying at a much more rapid pace just from exposure to higher temperatures and just from exposure to humidity. If you look at the fourth line, you inject the sunlight into that, you inject UV rays into that, the same effects on line two as 70 to 75 degrees with 80% humidity on the surface and look at line four but now you inject the sun, the half-life goes from six hours to two minutes. That’s how much of an impact UV rays has on the virus. The last two lines are aerosols, what does it do in the air? We have a very unique capability, I was discussing this with the president prior to coming out, he wanted me to convey it to you on how we do this. I believe we’re the only lab in the country that has this capability, but if you can imagine a five gallon Home Depot bucket, we’re able to take a particle, and this was design developed and designed by our folks at the NBAC. We’re able to take a particle of a virus and suspend it in the air inside of this drum and hit it with various temperatures, various humidity levels, multiple different kinds of environmental conditions to include sunlight. And we’re able to measure the decay of that virus while it’s suspended in the air. This is how we do our aerosol testing.

Bill Bryan: (27:22)
We worked with John Hopkins’ applied physics lab and we actually developed a larger drum to actually do more testing and it’s four times the size of that. So, this is the capability that we bring to this effort. So, in summary, within the conditions we’ve tested today, the virus in droplets of saliva survives best in indoors and dry conditions. The virus does not survive as well in droplets of saliva, and that’s important because a lot of testing being done is not necessarily being done, number one, with the COVID-19 virus and number two, in saliva or respiratory fluids. And thirdly, the virus dies the quickest in the presence of direct sunlight under these conditions. And when you look at that chart, look at the aerosol as you breathe it, you put it in a room, 70 to 75 degrees, 20% humidity, low humidity. Half-life is about an hour, but you get outside and it cuts down to a minute and a half. Very significant difference when it gets hit with UV rays. Mr. president, while there are many unknown links in the COVID-19 transmission chain, we believe these trends can support practical decision making to lower the risks associated with the virus. If I could have my next slide and while that comes up, you’ll see a number of some practical applications.

Bill Bryan: (28:34)
For example, increasing the temperature and humidity of potentially contaminated indoor spaces appears to reduce the stability of the virus, and extra care may be warranted for dry environments that do not have exposure to solar light. We’re also testing disinfectants readily available. We’ve tested bleach, we’ve tested isopropyl alcohol on the virus specifically in saliva or in respiratory fluids and I can tell you that bleach will kill the virus in five minutes. Isopropyl alcohol will kill the virus in 30 seconds and that’s with no manipulation, no rubbing. Just bring it on and leaving it go. You rub it and it goes away even faster. We’re also looking at other disinfectants, specifically looking at the COVID-19 virus in saliva. This is not the end of our work. As we continue to characterize this virus and integrate our findings into practical applications to mitigate exposure and transmission. I would like to thank the president, thank the vice president for their ongoing support and leadership to the department and for their work in addressing this pandemic. I would also like to thank the scientists not only in S and T and the NBAC, but to the larger scientific and R and D community. Thank you very much.

Donald Trump: (29:46)
A question that probably some of you are thinking of if you’re totally into that world, which I find to be very interesting. So, supposedly we hit the body with a tremendous, whether it’s ultraviolet or just very powerful light, and I think you said that hasn’t been checked, but you’re going to test it. And then I said supposing you brought the light inside the body, which you can do either through the skin or in some other way. And I think you said you’re going to test that too. Sounds interesting, right? And then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in one minute. And is there a way we can do something like that by injection inside or almost a cleaning because you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs, so it’d be interesting to check that so that you’re going to have to use medical doctors with, but it sounds interesting to me. So, we’ll see, but the whole concept of the light, the way it kills it in one minute. That’s pretty powerful. Steve, please.

Sea Dangles

04-24-2020, 10:27 AM

2 degrees

HS doesn't count.

I am sure your Dad is proud of your accomplishment. Good for you PaulS. Really. That’s awesome!
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PaulS

04-24-2020, 11:19 AM

Here's the transcript and the last paragraph is Trump*s contribution to the portfolio of misinformation, quackery and jaw-dropping ignorance he has shared with the American people during the coronavirus pandemic.

Donald Trump: (29:46)
A question that probably some of you are thinking of if you’re totally into that world, which I find to be very interesting. So, supposedly we hit the body with a tremendous, whether it’s ultraviolet or just very powerful light, and I think you said that hasn’t been checked, but you’re going to test it. And then I said supposing you brought the light inside the body, which you can do either through the skin or in some other way. And I think you said you’re going to test that too. Sounds interesting, right? And then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in one minute. And is there a way we can do something like that by injection inside or almost a cleaning because you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs, so it’d be interesting to check that so that you’re going to have to use medical doctors with, but it sounds interesting to me. So, we’ll see, but the whole concept of the light, the way it kills it in one minute. That’s pretty powerful. Steve, please.

So it will be spun in about a week or is that he didn't recommend it but said to test different theories bc he said

"I think you said you’re going to test that too. Sounds interesting, right?" and "so it’d be interesting to check that so that you’re going to have to use medical doctors with, but it sounds interesting to me".

Pete F.

04-24-2020, 11:20 AM

I think he should be imbleached

detbuch

04-24-2020, 11:30 AM

Pete F.

04-24-2020, 11:33 AM

EVANSTON, WY—Throwing bottles of bleach, ammonia, and Drano into a cart at his local grocery store, area man Troy Mitchell was reportedly stocking up on one of every cleaning product he could find Wednesday in case President Donald Trump announces it is a coronavirus cure. “I got toilet bowl cleaner, carpet cleaner, Swiffer WetJet refills—you name it—just so me and my family will be ready if the president announces one of these things can treat Chinese virus,” said Mitchell, indiscriminately throwing containers of laundry detergent, Scrubbing Bubbles, grout whitener, steel wool, Febreze, Tilex mold and mildew remover, and laptop screen wipes into the cart, the contents of which rang up to $2,513.67 at checkout. “I’m not getting caught without some oven degreaser should Trump say it’s going to save us, so I better go ahead and grab me a bottle. After this, I’m hitting the hardware store to pick up a 5-gallon bucket of roof sealant to make sure I’m prepared in the event that turns out to be what gets rid of the Wuhan. Could just be 10 or 20 squirts of Windex into each nostril. You never know what might work in a pinch!” At press time, neighbors confirmed Mitchell had been found unresponsive on the floor of his bathroom with several empty aerosol cans of Rust-Oleum wax-and-tar-removing solvent by his head.

The Onion on 3/25/20

Sea Dangles

04-24-2020, 11:41 AM

He is clearly the greatest president of our lifetime.
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Pete F.

04-24-2020, 12:02 PM

President Trump on his comments about possibly injecting disinfectant and light into a person's body as a Covid-19 cure: “I was asking a sarcastically to reporters just like you to see what would happen.”

So the best defense the President has is not that he's a moron, but that he was trolling the Americans during a pandemic that has killed tens of thousands.

Remember when George Bush sarcastically suggested all New Yorkers blow on the Twin Towers to put the fires out?

Jim in CT

04-24-2020, 12:04 PM

So it will be spun in about a week or is that he didn't recommend it but said to test different theories bc he said

"I think you said you’re going to test that too. Sounds interesting, right?" and "so it’d be interesting to check that so that you’re going to have to use medical doctors with, but it sounds interesting to me".

Here's what he said, right?

"And is there a way we can do something like that by injection inside or almost a cleaning because you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs, so it’d be interesting to check that so that you’re going to have to use medical doctors with"

He is wondering if there's a way. Not '"go out and inhale Lysol because I said so", but asking if there's a way for docs to do it safely if it could help.

Jim in CT

04-24-2020, 12:06 PM

Got Stripers

04-24-2020, 12:14 PM

I was going to put this on the main forum, under the thread looking for good jokes, but this gem I saw on facebook belongs here.

A British doctor says "In Britain, medicine is so advance that we cut off a man's liver, put it in another man and in 6 weeks, he is looking for a job.

A German doctor says "That's nothing, in Germany we took part of a brain, put it in another man and in 4 weeks he is looking for a job.

The Russian doctor says "Gentlemen, we took half a heart from a man, put in in another mans chest and in 2 weeks he is looking for a job.

The American doctor laughs and says "You are all behind us. A few years ago, we took a man with no brains, no heart and no liver and made him President. Now the whole country is looking for a job".

The Dad Fisherman

04-24-2020, 12:26 PM

God almighty man, take of the TDF tinfoil hat.

Where can I get one of those?
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Jim in CT

04-24-2020, 12:30 PM

Where can I get one of those?
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That was pretty quick. Meant to say TDS obviously!

PaulS

04-24-2020, 12:47 PM

Here's what he said, right?

"And is there a way we can do something like that by injection inside or almost a cleaning because you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs, so it’d be interesting to check that so that you’re going to have to use medical doctors with"

He is wondering if there's a way. Not '"go out and inhale Lysol because I said so", but asking if there's a way for docs to do it safely if it could help.

Spin away. TDS

He normally is so eloquent.

You did exactly what was claimed the Trump defenders would do regardless of what he actually meant.

Why is he now saying he was being sarcastic. If he didn't think it was a good idea or a potential cure he wouldn't have needed to walk it back.

PaulS

04-24-2020, 12:48 PM

Where did he recommend it? Where? You conveniently left out where he asked "is there a way"It was in the original transcript which I quoted. What do you think he meant by that? Don't know other than I think he is an idiot. He probably thought there is a potential chance we can all inject some version of Lysol into us. "What do you have to lose?"

God almighty man, take of the TDF tinfoil hat.

You're the one with the TDS trying to spin his original stupid statement.

Jim in CT

04-24-2020, 12:57 PM

Spin away. TDS

He normally is so eloquent.

You did exactly what was claimed the Trump defenders would do regardless of what he actually meant.

Why is he now saying he was being sarcastic. If he didn't think it was a good idea or a potential cure he wouldn't have needed to walk it back.

"He normally is so eloquent."

I certainly never said anything that stupid.

"You did exactly what was claimed the Trump defenders would do "

And you did exactly what I'd expect an irrational Trump hater to do.

"regardless of what he actually meant."

Paul, kindly tell us what you think he was trying to convey, when he used the words "is there a way". Do you understand the difference between saying "there is a way", and saying "is there a way"? One is a declaration, one is a question. A question aimed at a doctor.

Christ you've lost it, welcome to Petesville.

Jim in CT

04-24-2020, 01:00 PM

You're the one with the TDS trying to spin his original stupid statement.

Not "spin". I'm pointing out what he actually, literally, said. How can that be spin?

"Is there a way..."

He's asking a question, not stating a conclusion. What do you think he meant by using the phrase "is there a way". He also stated that these chemicals "do a number on the lungs", so he stated it's not currently safe.

Sea Dangles

04-24-2020, 01:08 PM

Not "spin". I'm pointing out what he actually, literally, said. How can that be spin?

"Is there a way..."

He's asking a question, not stating a conclusion. What do you think he meant by using the phrase "is there a way". He also stated that these chemicals "do a number on the lungs", so he stated it's not currently safe.

Some (stupid) people are out there just to give the President his “gotcha.” No surprise to see who (stupid personified)is pushing it the hardest. At least he is educated.🤡
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Jim in CT

04-24-2020, 01:31 PM

PaulS

04-24-2020, 01:46 PM

Paul, kindly tell us what you think he was trying to convey, when he used the words "is there a way". Do you understand the difference between saying "there is a way", and saying "is there a way"? One is a declaration, one is a question. A question aimed at a doctor.

Christ you've lost it, welcome to Petesville.

You are the one who has lost it trying to defend what he said. You're trying to parse words. It is another example of how stupid he is. No, one would with an ounce of common sense would have said it the way he did and no one would have ever made that statement with a national (world wide?) audience. At the least, they would have pulled a Dr. aside bf the presser to ask them any question. But bc he doesn't read the notes, ask questions or be prepared, you end up with these stupid things said.

PaulS

04-24-2020, 01:49 PM

Some (stupid) people are out there just to give the President his “gotcha.” No surprise to see who (stupid personified)is pushing it the hardest. At least he is educated.��
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And some (stupid) people are trying to defend the President no matter what he does. Anyone with a HS degree (well most people bc we really do have some stupid people here who demonstrate their stupidity and pettiness) would recognize what he was asking.

wdmso

04-24-2020, 01:51 PM

Funny looking at Trump defense on display. The world 99% of Americans heard what he said and know what he said was dumb period....

If any of your kids wife or relatives made such a suggestion .. I doubt they would patted on the back, praised on how insight they are and what a great idea and why hasn't anyone elses thought about it. and then given him a big hug ...for trying

But for trump he gets all of that. His maga hat should be a hockey helmet and airforce one should be redone painted yellow and shortened ..

When is 1 lie to many or what would he need to say or do before you to accept what has been in plan sight since he ran for office. .? Hes a fraudster

Got Stripers

04-24-2020, 01:53 PM

I heard Jul and Lysol are working to quickly bring to market a vap version of their best disinfectants, the young stupid idiots who think vaping is cool will eat that up.

Jim in CT

04-24-2020, 01:59 PM

You are the one who has lost it trying to defend what he said. You're trying to parse words. It is another example of how stupid he is. No, one would with an ounce of common sense would have said it the way he did and no one would have ever made that statement with a national (world wide?) audience. At the least, they would have pulled a Dr. aside bf the presser to ask them any question. But bc he doesn't read the notes, ask questions or be prepared, you end up with these stupid things said.

Why are you too chicken to answer my question? Why did he use the phrase "is there a way..."? What do you really, truly think he meant?

You're correct he is an awful speaker. Let us guess...if Biden wins, then PRESTO! Being a good speaker will no longer be important to you.

Trump should OBVIOUSLY let the experts speak to their expertise, and he should stick to summarizing results and policy. It's totally fair to criticize him for the idiotic and bratty way he inserts himself into these briefings. It's totally unfair, to say he was suggesting we should inject disinfectants. He was asking if there might be a way we could use it safely, and he was clearly asking a doctor. He wasn't making any suggestions that anyone do it. But you guys are physically incapable of resisting the impulse to act as if he said something not even close to what he actually said.

If there's a product, any product, which kills this virus on contact, why the hell wouldn't you ask a doctor if it's in any way possible to use that safely to help people who are dying? Why the hell wouldn't you ask if it's possible?

Asking if it could be possible, isn't anywhere near the same, as saying it works.

Try. Making. That. Wrong.

Sea Dangles

04-24-2020, 02:01 PM

I heard Jul and Lysol are working to quickly bring to market a vap version of their best disinfectants, the young stupid idiots who think vaping is cool will eat that up.
Fake news amigo.
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Sea Dangles

04-24-2020, 02:04 PM

Sea Dangles

04-24-2020, 02:06 PM

2 degrees

HS doesn't count.

I have a young son who earns college credits at BC High. HS does count.😘
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Jim in CT

04-24-2020, 02:10 PM

If any of your kids wife or relatives made such a suggestion .. I

What did he suggest, exactly? Did he suggest anything? Or did he ask if something was possible?

He asked a doctor, if there's any way that products that kill the virus, could be injected. He specifically said that these products "do a number on the lungs", and he said that's why we need to bring doctors into this.

Every single day, thousands of Americans are dying. If a product is known to kill the virus, what harm does it do, to ask a doctor if there's any way it could be used to help? You think that pursuing seemingly nonsensical ideas have never, in the history of mankind, led to helpful breakthroughs?

What would you have said to the first farmer who asked a doctor, "hey, if I take piles and piles and piles of animal feces, can I spread it in my garden on top of the vegetables i'm trying to grow, is that a good idea"? What would your answer have been? Or your answer to the first person who suggested taking a human heart out of one person, and putting it in another person? I had a gigantic kidney stone a few years ago, that they reduced by bombarding me with ultrasound waves. Who the hell thought of that?

What would you have said to the first oncologist who proposed treating cancer by exposing patients to radiation? How insane did that sound, until we discovered it worked?

We don't know what's possible, until we try.

PaulS

04-24-2020, 02:18 PM

Why are you too chicken Who is chicken - why do you constantly resort to angry insults?to answer my question? Why did he use the phrase "is there a way..."? What do you really, truly think he meant?I think he truly meant what everyone thought he said. That is why Lysol had to come out with a statement telling people what not to do and why he had to try to walk it back by lying and saying it was sarcastic.

You're correct he is an awful speaker. Let us guess...if Biden wins, then PRESTO! Being a good speaker will no longer be important to you.You mean after the hypocrisy demonstrated here trying to justify what Trump said?

Trump should OBVIOUSLY let the experts speak to their expertise, and he should stick to summarizing results and policy. It's totally fair to criticize him for the idiotic and bratty way he inserts himself into these briefings. It's totally unfair, to say he was suggesting we should inject disinfectants. He was asking if there might be a way we could use it safely, and he was clearly asking a doctor. He wasn't making any suggestions that anyone do it. But you guys are physically incapable of resisting the impulse to act as if he said something not even close to what he actually said.

If there's a product, any product, which kills this virus on contact, why the hell wouldn't you ask a doctor if it's in any way possible to use that safely to help people who are dying? Why the hell wouldn't you ask if it's possible?

Asking if it could be possible, isn't anywhere near the same, as saying it works.

Try. Making. That. Wrong.

The other guy said
"We’ve tested bleach, we’ve tested isopropyl alcohol on the virus specifically in saliva or in respiratory fluids and I can tell you that bleach will kill the virus in five minutes. Isopropyl alcohol will kill the virus in 30 seconds and that’s with no manipulation, no rubbing. Just bring it on and leaving it go. You rub it and it goes away even faster"

And the Trump says "....And then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in one minute. And is there a way we can do something like that by injection inside (vs what injection outside?)or almost a cleaning because you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs, so it’d be interesting to check that so that you’re going to have to use medical doctors with, but it sounds interesting to me"

So do you think any adult would ask after the subject is bleach and alcohol if there is a way to do "injection inside"? No, one would with an ounce of common sense would have said it the way he did and no one would have ever made that statement with a national (world wide?) audience. And you keep trying to spin it away.

TRY. MAKING. THAT. WRONG. (see I used capitals!)

PaulS

04-24-2020, 02:18 PM

I have a young son who earns college credits at BC High. HS does count.��
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Nice!

But HS only counts for some people.

Jim in CT

04-24-2020, 02:26 PM

The other guy said
"We’ve tested bleach, we’ve tested isopropyl alcohol on the virus specifically in saliva or in respiratory fluids and I can tell you that bleach will kill the virus in five minutes. Isopropyl alcohol will kill the virus in 30 seconds and that’s with no manipulation, no rubbing. Just bring it on and leaving it go. You rub it and it goes away even faster"

And the Trump says "....And then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in one minute. And is there a way we can do something like that by injection inside (vs what injection outside?)or almost a cleaning because you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs, so it’d be interesting to check that so that you’re going to have to use medical doctors with, but it sounds interesting to me"

So do you think any adult would ask after the subject is bleach and alcohol if there is a way to do "injection inside"? No, one would with an ounce of common sense would have said it the way he did and no one would have ever made that statement with a national (world wide?) audience. And you keep trying to spin it away.

TRY. MAKING. THAT. WRONG. (see I used capitals!)

"I think he truly meant what everyone thought he said"

Not if what you think he said, doesn't match what he said.

"Who is chicken - why do you constantly resort to angry insults?"

You. You are chicken, and you're a liar. You purposely pretend that he didn't say "is there a way". The fact that Trump used the phrase "is there a way", means he was asking if something is possible.

Are we not supposed to ask if remote possibilities are possible? Again, what would you have said, Paul, if Trump was the first person to propose that we treat cancer patients by exposing them to - of all things - radiation? How crazy does that sound? Guess what? It works.

PaulS

04-24-2020, 02:36 PM

"I think he truly meant what everyone thought he said"

Not if what you think he said, doesn't match what he said.

"Who is chicken - why do you constantly resort to angry insults?"

You. You are chicken, How am I a chicken. You constantly resort to childish insults - you angry pathetic punk.and you're a liar. Show me where I am a liar. You purposely pretend that he didn't say "is there a way". I'm not pretending he didn't say that. Asking if you can inject a disinfectant shows 0 intelligence. The fact that Trump used the phrase "is there a way", means he was asking if something is possible.

Are we not supposed to ask if remote possibilities are possible? Again, what would you have said, Paul, if Trump was the first person to propose that we treat cancer patients by exposing them to - of all things - radiation? How crazy does that sound? Guess what? It works.

Show me where I am a liar.

Jim in CT

04-24-2020, 02:42 PM

Show me where I am a liar.

When you posted Trumps "quote", you left out the part where he said "is there a way..." You did that to make it seem like he said something that he didn't say. Because if you include that phrase, it makes it impossible to claim that he made a suggestion, instead of asking a question. That's what you did, and you accuse me of spin.

Lots of vaccines include ingredients that can be very harmful. Is this news to the Trump haters?

You also chose to dodge my question about cancer and radiation, because you know you can't provide a sane answer which doesn't annihilate your attempt to attack Trump here.

when your position is obliterated by asking such a simple and obvious question, isn't it maybe time for a new position?

PaulS

04-24-2020, 02:43 PM

Sea Dangles

04-24-2020, 02:46 PM

Nice!

But HS only counts for some people.

Oh?
Please tell us who it does not count for.
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PaulS

04-24-2020, 02:47 PM

Oh?
Please tell us who it does not count for.
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The people who only have a HS degree and demonstrate their lack of intelligence here daily.

Sea Dangles

04-24-2020, 02:49 PM

When you posted Trumps "quote", you left out the part where he said "is there a way..." You did that to make it seem like he said something that he didn't say. Because if you include that phrase, it makes it impossible to claim that he made a suggestion, instead of asking a question. That's what you did, and you accuse me of spin.

Lots of vaccines include ingredients that can be very harmful. Is this news to the Trump haters?

You also chose to dodge my question about cancer and radiation, because you know you can't provide a sane answer which doesn't annihilate your attempt to attack Trump here.

when your position is obliterated by asking such a simple and obvious question, isn't it maybe time for a new position?
Since Bitchslappedboy didn’t include the full quote (shocker) then he must not have said it.
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Jim in CT

04-24-2020, 02:53 PM

I showed the full quote when I quoted Pete's post. If I wanted to lie, I wouldn't have included it.

You angry pathetic punk.

I just humiliated you. Why would I be angry.

Fir the third time, if radiation helps cancer patients, why is it stupid to ask if disinfectants (which kill the virus) could be made to help here? Why won't you answer that?

Here, I'll tee it up for you. Just fill in the blank.

The whole world knows that radiation is deadly, yet we also all know that it can be used to treat cancer patients. We also know that disinfectants kill covid-19. Despite this, I think it was stupid for Trump to ask if disinfectants could be made to help virus patients, because _________________.

Fill in the blank. Is that so hard?

Here is the answer...because my hatred for Trump supersedes everything else in my rational brain.

Sea Dangles

04-24-2020, 02:56 PM

The people who only have a HS degree and demonstrate their lack of intelligence here daily.

This is fascinating.
You must be one of the intelligent folks as you have your intellect on full display. I may add that it is hard to keep up with this knowledge. I feel like I learned about you PaulS. My guess is people who love or loved you would be a bit ashamed of your snobbery but I find it refreshing to see the real PaulS.👄
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PaulS

04-24-2020, 03:07 PM

I just humiliated you. Why would I be angry.BC you constantly resort to insults that is why you are an angry person. That is not the way I was raised, maybe you were. I think you humiliated yourself bc now even Trump is saying the statement is stupid bc it was sarcastic;

Fir the third time, if radiation helps cancer patients, why is it stupid to ask if disinfectants (which kill the virus) could be made to help here? Why won't you answer that?Bc you changed your response after I quote it. Isn't that correct? And since it is correct, you just lied again - you compulsive liar.

Here, I'll tee it up for you. Just fill in the blank.

The whole world knows that radiation is deadly, yet we also all know that it can be used to treat cancer patients. We also know that disinfectants kill covid-19. Despite this, I think it was stupid for Trump to ask if disinfectants could be made to help virus patients, because _________________.

Fill in the blank. Is that so hard?

Here is the answer...because my hatred for Trump supersedes everything else in my rational brain.

Even Trump isn't trying to defend the statement that you are trying to defend. He is saying it was sarcastic.

Jim in CT

04-24-2020, 03:10 PM

Even Trump isn't trying to defend the statement that you are trying to defend. He is saying it was sarcastic.

He doesn't have to defend it. He asked if a chemical that kills the virus had any potential to help patients. It would be idiotic not to ask. He should have known to ask in private, because he should have known how dishonestly the maniacs would react to it.

"Bc you changed your response after I quote it. Isn't that correct?"

I don't know what that means. But I wish you'd answer the question.

PaulS

04-24-2020, 03:11 PM

This is fascinating.
You must be one of the intelligent folks as you have your intellect on full display. I may add that it is hard to keep up with this knowledge. I feel like I learned about you PaulS. My guess is people who love or loved you would be a bit ashamed of your snobbery but I find it refreshing to see the real PaulS.��
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Certainly smarter than you. Point out any of your posts here that demonstrate the smallest bit of intelligence. The type of person you are is on full display here. From talking about people's wives, their parents, making comments about the college people's kids go to. You have no bottom - you will continue to go lower and lower. There is no low for you.

Kevin asked you to stop with the insults and you basically spit in his face with your actions. It is a shame you have no respect for anyone.

I'm not a snob. I have no need to throw out anything about my cabana or the HS my son goes to.

Sea Dangles

04-24-2020, 03:31 PM

Don’t forget the oldest was an undergrad at The Wharton School.

You may not think of yourself as a snob. But you did just tell us that HS doesn’t count. This indicates you don’t even understand the meaning of the word.
Intelligent 🤡

Let me guess...math major.
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PaulS

04-24-2020, 04:38 PM

Don’t forget the oldest was an undergrad at The Wharton School.

You may not think of yourself as a snob. But you did just tell us that HS doesn’t count. No, that is not what I said. This indicates you don’t even understand the meaning of the word.
Intelligent ��You're lying bc that is not what I said. Clearly you lack the intelligence to understand what I said.

Let me guess...math major.
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Here is the exact quote. "The people who only have a HS degree and demonstrate their lack of intelligence here daily."

Multiple majors.

Sea Dangles

04-24-2020, 05:18 PM

2 degrees

HS doesn't count.

I will leave this here for those intelligent enough to comprehend it.
I won’t accuse you of lying.
Or use a red crayon
Perhaps you just misremembered.👍🏿
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Sea Dangles

04-24-2020, 05:20 PM

Here is the exact quote. "The people who only have a HS degree and demonstrate their lack of intelligence here daily."

Multiple majors.

You gotta love the smart snobs.
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wdmso

04-24-2020, 05:25 PM

What did he suggest, exactly? Did he suggest anything? Or did he ask if something was possible?

He asked a doctor, if there's any way that products that kill the virus, could be injected. He specifically said that these products "do a number on the lungs", and he said that's why we need to bring doctors into this.

Every single day, thousands of Americans are dying. If a product is known to kill the virus, what harm does it do, to ask a doctor if there's any way it could be used to help? You think that pursuing seemingly nonsensical ideas have never, in the history of mankind, led to helpful breakthroughs?

What would you have said to the first farmer who asked a doctor, "hey, if I take piles and piles and piles of animal feces, can I spread it in my garden on top of the vegetables i'm trying to grow, is that a good idea"? What would your answer have been? Or your answer to the first person who suggested taking a human heart out of one person, and putting it in another person? I had a gigantic kidney stone a few years ago, that they reduced by bombarding me with ultrasound waves. Who the hell thought of that?

What would you have said to the first oncologist who proposed treating cancer by exposing patients to radiation? How insane did that sound, until we discovered it worked?

We don't know what's possible, until we try.

What did he suggest are you serious ? Why would any competent adult suggest anything so outrageous
Let's put babies in the microwave because we dont know what's possible.... what do you think DR brix

No because normal humans know what will happen if you put a baby in a microwave wave so normal people dont suggest such thing But Trump that's different he can suggest anything stupid and you'll rationalize it away.

The Dad Fisherman

04-24-2020, 05:37 PM

scottw

04-24-2020, 05:37 PM

You gotta love the smart snobs.
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very petty too

Sea Dangles

04-24-2020, 05:40 PM

very petty too

He likes to show off
This might cure it
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scottw

04-24-2020, 05:40 PM

When you posted Trumps "quote", you left out the part where he said "is there a way..."

caught a little of the news tonight...apparently there is a company that is experimenting with administering uv inside the lungs through the device when intubating a patient to treat something like this

trump is clearly smarter than these more highly educated leftists and not quite as whiny

PaulS

04-24-2020, 05:48 PM

very petty too if I'm petty it's certainly
a better look than the snarkiness that you show constantly here.
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PaulS

04-24-2020, 05:51 PM

You gotta love the smart snobs.
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device👍 are you still upset because I've said I try not to associate with people like you? It's a shame that you have such little respect for Kevin that you refused to listen to his ask.
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Jim in CT

04-24-2020, 05:56 PM

so i’m on my phone and can’t copy the link for some reason, but i just read that the CDC has been doing clinical trials to see if chlorine ( a disinfectant that can be lethal, it was a weapon of choice if the germans) could
combat covid 19. so why was it stupid for trump to ask if there could be a way for other disinfectants to be
of help?

cuz orange man bad.
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Jim in CT

04-24-2020, 06:01 PM

What did he suggest are you serious ? Why would any competent adult suggest anything so outrageous
Let's put babies in the microwave because we dont know what's possible.... what do you think DR brix

No because normal humans know what will happen if you put a baby in a microwave wave so normal people dont suggest such thing But Trump that's different he can suggest anything stupid and you'll rationalize it away.

so you don’t get the difference between asking if something is possible, and suGgesting that people do it? he said “is there a way”

the CDC is doing clinical trials to see if chlorine ( a disinfectant that can kill
millions) can be effective. if those geniuses thought it was worth trying, why was it stupid for trump to mention the possibility?

i’m all ears.
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Sea Dangles

04-24-2020, 06:16 PM

👍 are you still upset because I've said I try not to associate with people like you? It's a shame that you have such little respect for Kevin that you refused to listen to his ask.
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Great duck, you are who I thought you were. No integrity, no honesty.
Kevin is unlikely to shelter such a dishonest fella.But you can try to hide under his wing again.
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Sea Dangles

04-24-2020, 06:18 PM

2 degrees

HS doesn't count.

Care to address your lies?
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Sea Dangles

04-24-2020, 06:21 PM

Here is the exact quote. "The people who only have a HS degree and demonstrate their lack of intelligence here daily."

Multiple majors.

Multiple majors can’t help you with honesty I guess.
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scottw

04-24-2020, 06:26 PM

PaulS

04-24-2020, 06:29 PM

Care to address your lies?
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tell me how I lied?
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PaulS

04-24-2020, 06:30 PM

Multiple majors can’t help you with honesty I guess.
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Tell me how I'm not honest? And then I'll tell you how I think you're the biggest scummy person here.
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Jim in CT

04-24-2020, 06:31 PM

As usual the reaction of the easily triggered snowflakes is far more ridiculous than anything trump has done
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right. his wording was bad, and you can argue he should say such things in private. but to say it was in its face, stupid to ask if there’s a posssibility?

The CDC is looking at chlorine as a possible vaccine, that’s a disinfectant that can be poisonous.

The vaccine must be based in a chemical that kills the virus. there are only so many chemicals that we know of, that kill the virus. if oreo cookies killed the virus, we wouldn’t be having this conversation. there are only so many chemicals that kill
the virus, why wouldn’t you look at every single one of them? if they can find a way to make radiation ( of all things!) beneficial, it’s stupid to ask if they can do it with disinfectants? Why?

But to these libs, every single
word that comes out of his mouth, cannot fail to be wrong. it all must be wrong. their brains can’t process the possibility he could
be right.

what will they do if he gets re elected?
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PaulS

04-24-2020, 06:31 PM

Great duck, you are who I thought you were. No integrity, no honesty.
Kevin is unlikely to shelter such a dishonest fella.But you can try to hide under his wing again.
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please clarify. And I know because you demonstrate here daily what a scummy person you are. I'm not hiding under anyone's wing because I constantly respond to you just to tell you what type of scumbag you are. So how is that hiding under his wing?
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spence

04-24-2020, 06:34 PM

so you don’t get the difference between asking if something is possible, and suGgesting that people do it? he said “is there a way”
Trump would be well served to let scientists come up with the innovative solutions, not just make ridiculous crap up in desperation because you’ve lost most all control of the issue.

the CDC is doing clinical trials to see if chlorine ( a disinfectant that can kill
millions) can be effective. if those geniuses thought it was worth trying, why was it stupid for trump to mention the possibility
Says who?
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Jim in CT

04-24-2020, 06:42 PM

Trump would be well served to let scientists come up with the innovative solutions, not just make ridiculous crap up in desperation because you’ve lost most all control of the issue.

Says who?
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the national
library of
medicine.

https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04343742

if they thought it was worth studying, please tell me why it’s so bad for trump to ask if it’s a possibility.

have fun with that.

we should leave the science to scientists. why can’t someone ask if there a way to use a chemical
known to kill the virus, to treat those with the virus? why is that such a stupid thing to ask?

because orange man bad.

if radioactive material can be modified to be more beneficial than harmful, you’re saying it’s stupid to assume that the ingredients of Lysol can? Lysol is more lethal than radioactive material?

you’re not holding any cards here.
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Jim in CT

04-24-2020, 06:43 PM

please clarify. And I know because you demonstrate here daily what a scummy person you are. I'm not hiding under anyone's wing because I constantly respond to you just to tell you what type of scumbag you are. So how is that hiding under his wing?
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look at the insults. boy are you angry.
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PaulS

04-24-2020, 06:49 PM

[QUOTE=Jim in CT;1191745]look at the insults. boy are you angry.
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LOL

It's funny when the dotards on here insult people and then when those people respond back they call them angry. Youre the one who started with the insults bc you can't help yourself.
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Sea Dangles

04-24-2020, 07:05 PM

tell me how I lied?
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Post #83
Me: you did just tell us HS does not count
Paul: No,that is not what I said

Yet on post #37
Paul: 2 degrees
HS doesn’t count

I hope this helps demonstrate your lies and dishonesty clearly enough for everyone to see that you are a lying dog faced pony soldier with limited morals at best.
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spence

04-24-2020, 07:06 PM

the national
library of
medicine.

https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04343742

if they thought it was worth studying, please tell me why it’s so bad for trump to ask if it’s a possibility.

have fun with that.

we should leave the science to scientists. why can’t someone ask if there a way to use a chemical
known to kill the virus, to treat those with the virus? why is that such a stupid thing to ask?

because orange man bad.

if radioactive material can be modified to be more beneficial than harmful, you’re saying it’s stupid to assume that the ingredients of Lysol can? Lysol is more lethal than radioactive material?

you’re not holding any cards here.
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Jim, you know I don’t like to stoop to insults but once again your reading comprehension is really lacking.
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Sea Dangles

04-24-2020, 07:09 PM

please clarify. And I know because you demonstrate here daily what a scummy person you are. I'm not hiding under anyone's wing because I constantly respond to you just to tell you what type of scumbag you are. So how is that hiding under his wing?
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It’s not the first instance of you looking for a bail out from the mods because you have have lost direction PaulS. I will go it on a limb and guess you wear adult diapers.
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Jim in CT

04-24-2020, 07:11 PM

Jim, you know I don’t like to stoop to insults but once again your reading comprehension is really lacking.
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The use of light is also already being looked into. But Trump is wrong for asking about it.

https://irdirect.net/prviewer/release/id/4294930?fbclid=IwAR2mD8kaGxNWIG-ZiPyf03TDohaq5jWVT4OjVvM1n8vAX4mmXZ__ticzLeU

Sea Dangles

04-24-2020, 07:12 PM

Jim in CT

04-24-2020, 07:15 PM

Jim, you know I don’t like to stoop to insults but once again your reading comprehension is really lacking.
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To be honest with you, I've had enough of insults. So if instead of saying I'm wrong, could you maybe give a specific example? I am as capable as ANYONE of being wrong, and there have been times on this board where you showed me I was wrong, and you did so with support, and I agreed with you that I was wrong. But saying I'm wrong, or that I can't read, is a tad vague as I'm sure you'd agree. So if you can forgo the vague charges of being illiterate and tell me exactly what I got wrong, I will also try to raise the bar here. Any chance we can do that?

the link I posted, says the CDC is looking at the use of chlorine dioxide. I assume that chlorine dioxide includes chlorine (I could be wrong as I hated chemistry), but if it does, chlorine is also a disinfectant that can be lethal (or are you saying that statement is wrong?)

PaulS

04-24-2020, 07:15 PM

It’s not the first instance of you looking for a bail out from the mods because you have have lost direction PaulS. I will go it on a limb and guess you wear adult diapers.
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I'm not looking for a bailout because I have clearly stated that I think you are a vile scummy person. What could be clearer than that. You are a vile scummy man.

I just don't know why they allow you to violate the rules and have you ignore what Kevin asked.
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Jim in CT

04-24-2020, 07:17 PM

PaulS

04-24-2020, 07:18 PM

[QUOTE=PaulS;1191746]

Next thing you know he will be pleading for Moderation Intervention. 🍼
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we know you came on this forum because as you stated you could not take what was being said about President Trump and you are trying to do everything you can to get the Forum closed down. You are not smart enough to discuss anything intelligently so you throw insults around . That's not looking for moderators intervention. It just goes to show what a vile scummy person you are.
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PaulS

04-24-2020, 07:21 PM

Post #83
Me: you did just tell us HS does not count
Paul: No,that is not what I said

Yet on post #37
Paul: 2 degrees
HS doesn’t count

I hope this helps demonstrate your lies and dishonesty clearly enough for everyone to see that you are a lying dog faced pony soldier with limited morals at best.
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That's the best you have. What a joke as it just reinforces what I've said about you repeatedly - that you are stupid. You need to discuss this with the doctor😉
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Sea Dangles

04-24-2020, 07:38 PM

That's the best you have. What a joke as it just reinforces what I've said about you repeatedly - that you are stupid. You need to discuss this with the doctor😉
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It’s not the best,just the latest.
Even when confronted and clearly outwitted,you cling to your lies. What a desperate fella.
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Sea Dangles

04-24-2020, 07:43 PM

[QUOTE=Sea Dangles;1191752]

we know you came on this forum because as you stated you could not take what was being said about President Trump and you are trying to do everything you can to get the Forum closed down. You are not smart enough to discuss anything intelligently so you throw insults around . That's not looking for moderators intervention. It just goes to show what a vile scummy person you are.
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Don’t take this personally PaulS, but you are the one who insults. When faced with clear facts that make you into the fool you play the insult game. You demonstrated it again when you were given evidence of more lies. That’s fine,I understand your frustration. Get some rest coward.
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spence

04-24-2020, 07:50 PM

Spence, a sentence from the link...

'The objective of this study is to review, through prospective case research, the efficacy of oral chlorine dioxide in the treatment of patients with COVID infection 19'

So when I say (based on that quote) that they are looking to see if chlorine can be used to treat covid-19, and you say my reading comprehension is off...could you tell us where I'm wrong, exactly?
The CDC isn’t researching this Jim, the page is a clinical trial registration for some doctor in Columbia who’s going to pay to likely get 20 people sicker after signing a waiver. It has nothing to do with the US Govt or US based research.

Here’s the FDA’s position

https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/coronavirus-covid-19-update-fda-warns-seller-marketing-dangerous-chlorine-dioxide-products-claim
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wdmso

04-24-2020, 08:06 PM

so you don’t get the difference between asking if something is possible, and suGgesting that people do it? he said “is there a way”

the CDC is doing clinical trials to see if chlorine ( a disinfectant that can kill
millions) can be effective. if those geniuses thought it was worth trying, why was it stupid for trump to mention the possibility?

i’m all ears.
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For 1 the CDC nor the us government is involved in what you suggest
https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04343742

Sponsor:
Genesis Foundation are conducting a 20 person trial

Coronavirus (COVID-19) Update: FDA Warns Seller Marketing Dangerous Chlorine Dioxide Products that Claim to Treat or Prevent COVID-19

https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/coronavirus-covid-19-update-fda-warns-seller-marketing-dangerous-chlorine-dioxide-products-claim

Chlorine dioxide. The compound has been fraudulently marketed as a cure for a wide range of diseases, including childhood autism[5] and COVID-19.[6][7][8] Children who have been given enemas of chlorine dioxide as a supposed cure for childhood autism have suffered life-threatening ailments and even died.

this clown can launch a nuke ... with out asking ... yet you trying to tell me he he was trying to articulate the idea you posted ??? Please. Funny takes a 2 min search and everything points against it ,,,, sounds like hydroxychloroquine shocking

PaulS

04-24-2020, 08:08 PM

[QUOTE=PaulS;1191757]
Don’t take this personally PaulS, but you are the one who insults. When faced with clear facts that make you into the fool you play the insult game. You demonstrated it again when you were given evidence of more lies. That’s fine,I understand your frustration. Get some rest coward.
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I don't take anything you say personally because I have no respect for you and I think you're a vile scummy person who isn't smart enough to debate anything and has to resort to Childish insults.

Please point out where I insult anyone prior to being insulted here? You think what you posted demonstrates dishonesty – I think it just shows what a stupid person you are. Seems to me you are the coward here as you can't even attempt to discuss the topic at hand without resorting to your typical vial scummy insults. As I said, go talk to the doctor - maybe they can prescribe something to help you.
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Jim in CT

04-24-2020, 08:15 PM

The CDC isn’t researching this Jim, the page is a clinical trial registration for some doctor in Columbia who’s going to pay to likely get 20 people sicker after signing a waiver. It has nothing to do with the US Govt or US based research.

Here’s the FDA’s position

https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/coronavirus-covid-19-update-fda-warns-seller-marketing-dangerous-chlorine-dioxide-products-claim
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The FDA is saying don't drink it. No one said it was safe to drink.

But you are 100% right, it's not the CDC, I was 100% wrong. But there is a trial underway to test chlorine dioxide on 20 patietnts with covid-19. There's also a trial underway (in my other link)to test light (virus-killing light) in treating covid-19.

So if people who do this for a living think it's a question worth answering...why is it stupid for Trump to think it's a question worth asking?

I'm not very smart, and not great at comprehension, so please be specific.

Jim in CT

04-24-2020, 08:15 PM

Sea Dangles

04-24-2020, 08:26 PM

[QUOTE=Sea Dangles;1191762]
I don't take anything you say personally because I have no respect for you and I think you're a vile scummy person who isn't smart enough to debate anything and has to resort to Childish insults.

Please point out where I insult anyone prior to being insulted here? You think what you posted demonstrates dishonesty – I think it just shows what a stupid person you are. Seems to me you are the coward here as you can't even attempt to discuss the topic at hand without resorting to your typical vial scummy insults. As I said, go talk to the doctor - maybe they can prescribe something to help you.
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Nothing personal, but I just could easily point out examples. But you just showed your character when presented with evidence that you ignore or dismiss. I feel bad for the only person in S-B.com I have witnessed crying for help from the moderators on multiple occasions because he is afraid to stand alone. Get some rest Lionheart.
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PaulS

04-24-2020, 08:34 PM

[QUOTE=PaulS;1191765]

Nothing personal, but I just could easily point out examples. But you just showed your character when presented with evidence that you ignore or dismiss. I feel bad for the only person in S-B.com I have witnessed crying for help from the moderators on multiple occasions because he is afraid to stand alone. Get some rest Lionheart.
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Show me some evidence as what you posted shows what an unintelligent person you are. I'm not crying for help as I think you're an imbecile. So why would I be afraid of someone as stupid as you? I just don't know why Kevin allows you to basically spit in his face when he asked you to do something you ignore. It shows what a lack of respect you have for anybody.
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Pete F.

04-24-2020, 09:16 PM

The utter asininity of Trump*s briefings this week are testament to the blindingly obvious reality that there is no proverbial bottom floor when it comes the abject stupidity and delusion that flows from the Presidential podium like a toxic fog over the country. Trump* is a fool.

My heart goes out to this woman.
Dr. Birx defends the President: When he gets new information, he likes to talk that through out loud and really have that dialogue and so that’s what dialogue he was having. I think he just saw the information at the time immediately.. and he was still digesting that information.

Unless you are claiming he was trolling the libs or reporters, in which case the prank required Trump to maintain a completely deadpan demeanor, and to get Birx’s cooperation, and to let the untruth go uncorrected for about 18 hours before finally revealing the gag.

Fit that into your narrative.................or his for that matter.

Oh, I forgot this can’t be correct because Trump is a stable genius, so he can’t possibly become confused. He is a god.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXtrgih0PsI

Sea Dangles

04-24-2020, 09:48 PM

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Show me some evidence as what you posted shows what an unintelligent person you are. I'm not crying for help as I think you're an imbecile. So why would I be afraid of someone as stupid as you? I just don't know why Kevin allows you to basically spit in his face when he asked you to do something you ignore. It shows what a lack of respect you have for anybody.
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Just a reminder that you can hit the report post button or simply dial 911 in the future.😷
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Pete F.

04-24-2020, 09:52 PM

Isn’t it interesting that the very same people who say you should praise Trump* because “he says what he means” are now busy arguing he didn't mean what he said?

scottw

04-25-2020, 05:27 AM

Isn’t it interesting that the very same people who say you should praise Trump* because “he says what he means” are now busy arguing he didn't mean what he said?

name one...

scottw

04-25-2020, 05:31 AM

The FDA is saying don't drink it. No one said it was safe to drink.

But you are 100% right, it's not the CDC, I was 100% wrong. But there is a trial underway to test chlorine dioxide on 20 patietnts with covid-19. There's also a trial underway (in my other link)to test light (virus-killing light) in treating covid-19.

So if people who do this for a living think it's a question worth answering...why is it stupid for Trump to think it's a question worth asking?

I'm not very smart, and not great at comprehension, so please be specific.

they only see and hear what fits their narrative....

Sea Dangles

04-25-2020, 06:43 AM

It turns out Christina Cuomo has a similar approach to what the president had inquired about.
Good news, she beat covid!
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wdmso

04-25-2020, 11:18 AM

http://www.bbc.com/future/article/20200327-can-you-kill-coronavirus-with-uv-light. Good read
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Got Stripers

04-25-2020, 08:37 PM

It turns out Christina Cuomo has a similar approach to what the president had inquired about.
Good news, she beat covid!
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Too bad you didn’t research what she did, it will now be painful getting that foot out of your mouth. A 1/4 to 1/2 cup of bleach in an 80 gallon bath is so far removed from the nonsense Trump asked about, it’s so far diluted it’s harmless, but feel free to inject yourself with some Lysol, maybe it will finally clean up your act:cheers2:

scottw

04-26-2020, 06:53 AM

breaking news!....trump said "put your elbow in your ear"...media perplexed....leftists shaken to their core....how many will die or suffer brain damage as a result???

Got Stripers

04-26-2020, 07:22 AM

Sea Dangles

04-26-2020, 08:08 AM

You will probably be disappointed to hear that he will certainly be your next President.
Don’t be scared little bunny.
🐰
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Sea Dangles

04-26-2020, 08:10 AM

Too bad you didn’t research what she did, it will now be painful getting that foot out of your mouth. A 1/4 to 1/2 cup of bleach in an 80 gallon bath is so far removed from the nonsense Trump asked about, it’s so far diluted it’s harmless, but feel free to inject yourself with some Lysol, maybe it will finally clean up your act:cheers2:

Do you know why I phrased it as a similar approach?
Asking for a friend.
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Jim in CT

04-26-2020, 08:44 AM

Trust me all I do is laugh at how stupid “the best president of our lifetime” can be on a national stage and then of course the classic Trump walk back oh no it was sarcasm and I wasn’t serious. I also find it somewhere between comical and sad that you guys keep believing he is doing a fine job. You probably were all really disappointed to learn finally there is no Easter bunny.:jump:

you’re the easter bunny clinger, because you’re the one denying irrefutable facts when it makes you feel better. before this virus which was no one’s fault, the economy was soaring by every conceivable measure, the jihadists were weakened. there was peace and prosperity. I wouldn’t want him dating my mom any more than you’d want him dating yours. but he did some great things. and despite being a jerk, there’s very little evidence he turned our allies against us.

you deny the obvious facts and cling to fantasy instead. you’re the one who still
slices up carrots and puts them on your stoop the night before easter. we are responding to what has actually happened. you are responding to what you wish took place .
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spence

04-26-2020, 10:11 AM

Do you know why I phrased it as a similar approach?
Asking for a friend.
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Good thing that bike you’re on has a freewheel
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Sea Dangles

04-26-2020, 10:49 AM

Good thing that bike you’re on has a freewheel
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That’s not true Jeff, I paid for it.
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Got Stripers

04-26-2020, 12:29 PM

you’re the easter bunny clinger, because you’re the one denying irrefutable facts when it makes you feel better. before this virus which was no one’s fault, the economy was soaring by every conceivable measure, the jihadists were weakened. there was peace and prosperity. I wouldn’t want him dating my mom any more than you’d want him dating yours. but he did some great things. and despite being a jerk, there’s very little evidence he turned our allies against us.

you deny the obvious facts and cling to fantasy instead. you’re the one who still
slices up carrots and puts them on your stoop the night before easter. we are responding to what has actually happened. you are responding to what you wish took place .
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OMG Jim going back to his economy card, that’s not predictable much haha. First Trump inherited a really strong and expanding economy and yes he took moves to not kill it and guess who’s backs paid for that then and are paying for it big time now. His rich buddies and corporations made out like bandits and are probably more easily and fruitfully getting bailed out now. Your version of great things doesn’t match mine and since I’ve yet to see a civil debate on this forum before it goes to childish insults and stupid arguments, I will leave it at that.

Jim in CT

04-26-2020, 04:02 PM

OMG Jim going back to his economy card, that’s not predictable much haha. First Trump inherited a really strong and expanding economy and yes he took moves to not kill it and guess who’s backs paid for that then and are paying for it big time now. His rich buddies and corporations made out like bandits and are probably more easily and fruitfully getting bailed out now. Your version of great things doesn’t match mine and since I’ve yet to see a civil debate on this forum before it goes to childish insults and stupid arguments, I will leave it at that.

so when you say he hasn’t done
anything, it’s invalid for
me to point out his accomplishments. makes sense.

i’m sorry you can’t handle it, but he hit a home run with the economy until we chose to shut it down. i think thearket is still
higher than when he took office (is that right?), so the market likes what the feds are doing in response,,god knows how we pay for it.

what’s predictable, is you me striating that he didn’t do any good. you can’t be honest. he’s a world class jerk who gets an A- on the economy.
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Got Stripers

04-26-2020, 04:11 PM

so when you say he hasn’t done
anything, it’s invalid for
me to point out his accomplishments. makes sense.

i’m sorry you can’t handle it, but he hit a home run with the economy until we chose to shut it down. i think thearket is still
higher than when he took office (is that right?), so the market likes what the feds are doing in response,,god knows how we pay for it.

what’s predictable, is you me striating that he didn’t do any good. you can’t be honest. he’s a world class jerk who gets an A- on the economy.
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Didn’t say he did nothing, but much of what he has done profits the upper crust, big corporations and total disregard for our allies and our environment.

Jim in CT

04-26-2020, 04:16 PM

Didn’t say he did nothing, but much of what he has done profits the upper crust, big corporations and total disregard for our allies and our environment.

obama
also helped the economy, and the wealthy benefitted the most.

earth to you...when the economy rises, the wealthy will
always benefit more, because they have more invested. there is no way to stop that. and no reason to want to, because the wealthy pay taxes and create jobs and donate huge $$ to charity. CT and NY are finding out currently, what happens when you drive away the wealthy. it’s a disaster.
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Jim in CT

04-26-2020, 04:17 PM

Didn’t say he did nothing, but much of what he has done profits the upper crust, big corporations and total disregard for our allies and our environment.

please point out an economic boom in the last 100 years that didn’t help the wealthy more than the little guy.

when the wealthy get wealthier, that doesn’t mean they took anything from us. god, the liberal whining about the wealthy....if you want to be wealthy, do what they did, it’s a free country.
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Got Stripers

04-26-2020, 04:59 PM

please point out an economic boom in the last 100 years that didn’t help the wealthy more than the little guy.

when the wealthy get wealthier, that doesn’t mean they took anything from us. god, the liberal whining about the wealthy....if you want to be wealthy, do what they did, it’s a free country.
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Well the counter question would be is the system wrong, when the rich continue to get richer and those in the middle or the pour bastards changing the sheets in their hotels, cutting their grass and watching their kids barely make a living wage?

detbuch

04-26-2020, 05:03 PM

please point out an economic boom in the last 100 years that didn’t help the wealthy more than the little guy.

when the wealthy get wealthier, that doesn’t mean they took anything from us. god, the liberal whining about the wealthy....if you want to be wealthy, do what they did, it’s a free country.
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Hey Jim, you just don't get how unfairly good things are distributed in this journey we call life. I mean, how fair is it that exercise and a good diet benefits those who work on being healthy more than those who just assume that all will be well until it isn't.

Sea Dangles

04-26-2020, 05:06 PM

Anything is possible in America if you are motivated and smart. You can take education and toss it aside. The American Dream is alive and well. Those folks cutting your grass may someday own a landscaping company. The “pour” sheet changers may get into a union and change your bedpan.
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Jim in CT

04-26-2020, 05:13 PM

Well the counter question would be is the system wrong, when the rich continue to get richer and those in the middle or the pour bastards changing the sheets in their hotels, cutting their grass and watching their kids barely make a living wage?

it’s not the system, it’s just math. what would you do? make it illegal to keep working or investing after one attains a certain net worth? you’d support that? think, man. Nobody is better off if the wealthy didn’t exist.

if you say we need to improve our safety net for those at the bottom, i agree. but there’s no way to keep the rich from getting richer in a booming economy. Basic arithmetic guarantees that will happen. for sure its not trumps fault. there’s no conceivable way to stop it, and no conceivable reason to try.
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Got Stripers

04-26-2020, 05:16 PM

Oh yeah that’s exactly where I was going Jim, line up all the rich and shoot them, this is why I don’t even attempt a debate on this forum, it goes to stupid too fast, carry on.

Jim in CT

04-26-2020, 05:20 PM

Oh yeah that’s exactly where I was going Jim, line up all the rich and shoot them, this is why I don’t even attempt a debate on this forum, it goes to stupid too fast, carry on.

that’s not where you were going? you asked if something was wrong with the system. if that’s not where you were going, kindly tell us where you were going? what would
you do to fix it?

let’s all listen to bernie, the diehard socialist who truly walks the walk, who owns three homes and flies private jets.
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detbuch

04-26-2020, 05:30 PM

Well the counter question would be is the system wrong, when the rich continue to get richer and those in the middle or the pour bastards changing the sheets in their hotels, cutting their grass and watching their kids barely make a living wage?

Well, actually, not all the rich get richer. Many go bankrupt or lose wealth. Maybe the rich who don't keep up with the other rich should complain that the system is not fair. Many are satisfied with "barely" making a living wage. It keeps them living and able to have sex, watch TV, enjoy meals, get a good nights sleep . . . and, if they catch a spark of an idea, do better.

I understand that there is this ideal that everybody should have an abundance of all that is life giving and joy making. But if the reality is that that is not realistic, how does one calculate on how much and in what way all the goods will be distributed.

What "system" makes it possible for everybody in it to be satisfied?There are some, like the Amish. And there are religious communities who find equal satisfaction in the promises of their faith. I may be wrong, but I doubt those kind of systems would satisfy everyone. Maybe there is not one "ideal" system. Maybe we should be free to join or create one that satisfies us. Or maybe the closest to the ideal would be one in which everyone can find their own personal happiness which would depend on many different things, not just the differences in paychecks.

Got Stripers

04-26-2020, 05:50 PM

Well, actually, not all the rich get richer. Many go bankrupt or lose wealth. Maybe the rich who don't keep up with the other rich should complain that the system is not fair. Many are satisfied with "barely" making a living wage. It keeps them living and able to have sex, watch TV, enjoy meals, get a good nights sleep . . . and, if they catch a spark of an idea, do better.

I understand that there is this ideal that everybody should have an abundance of all that is life giving and joy making. But if the reality is that that is not realistic, how does one calculate on how much and in what way all the goods will be distributed.

What "system" makes it possible for everybody in it to be satisfied?There are some, like the Amish. And there are religious communities who find equal satisfaction in the promises of their faith. I may be wrong, but I doubt those kind of systems would satisfy everyone. Maybe there is not one "ideal" system. Maybe we should be free to join or create one that satisfies us. Or maybe the closest to the ideal would be one in which everyone can find their own personal happiness which would depend on many different things, not just the differences in paychecks.

The only ones happy in the Amish society are the males who rape their sisters, their daughters and control the minds of those living in fear, better find a better role model.

Jim in CT

04-26-2020, 06:15 PM

The only ones happy in the Amish society are the males who rape their sisters, their daughters and control the minds of those living in fear, better find a better role model.

and is it Trumps fault?

detbuch

04-26-2020, 06:18 PM

The only ones happy in the Amish society are the males who rape their sisters, their daughters and control the minds of those living in fear, better find a better role model.

Yeah, but that's not supposed to be part of the "system." Don't think you can find or create a "system" which won't have miscreants. On the other hand, Huxley's Brave New World comes close. Don't think you'd like that system though.

Jim in CT

04-26-2020, 06:22 PM

Yeah, but that's not supposed to be part of the "system." Don't think you can find or create a "system" which won't have miscreants. On the other hand, Huxley's Brave New World comes close. Don't think you'd like that system though.

And if the Amish rapists were democrats running for presidemt, no one would care.

scottw

04-26-2020, 06:35 PM

The only ones happy in the Amish society are the males who rape their sisters, their daughters and control the minds of those living in fear, better find a better role model.

that's a nice thing to say...

Got Stripers

04-26-2020, 06:53 PM

that's a nice thing to say...

Been well documented, which is why I found that an odd “happy” low income family not needing their part of the pie.

detbuch

04-26-2020, 07:12 PM

Been well documented, which is why I found that an odd “happy” low income family not needing their part of the pie.

You're usually a lot more lucid than this. This is wdmso territory in lacking clarity. Are you saying that I claimed that the Amish were a happy low income family not needing their part of the pie. Did I mention any families not needing their part of the pie? Did I specify any part of any pie? Are you referring to my "Many are satisfied with "barely" making a living wage. It keeps them living and able to have sex, watch TV, enjoy meals, get a good nights sleep . . . and, if they catch a spark of an idea, do better"? Are you referring to the rich who don't keep up with the richer rich?

Or something or someone entirely different?

Got Stripers

04-26-2020, 07:20 PM

scottw

04-26-2020, 07:40 PM

You're usually a lot more lucid than this.

ehhhhh......not so sure....he does whine about civil debate then launch this kind of nonsense...which....well....I guess bigotry and blanket insulting hundreds of thousands of people is ok if you are a leftist:1poke:

Jim in CT

04-26-2020, 08:01 PM

ehhhhh......not so sure....he does whine about civil debate then launch this kind of nonsense...which....well....I guess bigotry and blanket insulting hundreds of thousands of people is ok if you are a leftist:1poke:

it’s woke if you’re a leftist.
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detbuch

04-26-2020, 08:30 PM

[QUOTE=detbuch;1191864]You're usually a lot more lucid than this. This is wdmso territory in lacking clarity. Are you saying that I claimed that the Amish were a happy low income family not needing their part of the pie. Did I mention any families not needing their part of the pie? Did I specify any part of any pie? Are you referring to my "Many are satisfied with "barely" making a living wage. It keeps them living and able to have sex, watch TV, enjoy meals, get a good nights sleep . . . and, if they catch a spark of an idea, do better"? Are you referring to the rich who don't keep up with the richer rich?

Or something or someone entirely different?

[/What "system" makes it possible for everybody in it to be satisfied?There are some, like the Amish.

My response was to the rubbish you posted, where everyone in an Amish society is happy. Nothing could be farther from the truth, the men rule, they rape their sisters, their wives and probably anything with a hole that fits their “manhood”.

Yes, well my lack of clarity may have given you the impression that I thought all Amish were "happy." I did not refer to individual Amish, nor to happiness (though being satisfied is a step in that direction). I was referring to the Amish prescribed societal "system" since you were interested in the "system" being responsible for some sort of equitable happiness or satisfaction. Not that, I admit, I am an expert on the Amish system, or even adequately informed about it. My uneducated assumption is that Amish society is a communitarian one in which everyone contributes to the wealth of the community and all receive in some equity the bounties of that wealth. I mentioned the Amish not as a specific model, but a generic type of communitarian society.

And, of course, I did mention that there is probably no system that will be devoid of "miscreants," those who don't perfectly follow the precepts of their system, but who use it for "unfair" advantage in gaining personal pleasure or wealth. If you're correct, Amish society is a total fraud in which all or most of the women are raped, incest is the pre-eminent norm and men are predominantly rapists and stealers of the supposedly common wealth. If that is true, I withdraw the Amish as any sort of model, although I believe that the prescribed system is not practiced by those you describe.

But, again, that will apply to any "system." It can only function as prescribed if its citizens are faithful to it. And if you're searching for or desiring a system without miscreants, I think you're looking for something impossible. Except, as I mentioned, something like that described in Huxley's Brave New World in which fetuses are injected with a chemical which physically implants the proper disposition to be a worker, or manager, or whatever.

There is no "system" created by humans, populated and run by humans which will give you your desired equitable distribution of wealth. Simply put, humans are not insects. Nor birds of any sort. Nor mammalian animals imprinted with irrevocable patterns of herd behavior. We have an endless potential for diversity in the human genome, the best we can do is probably teach each other to respect humanity as something more than living meat and the advantage of caring for each other rather than killing or oppressing each other. But removing the competitive, inquisitive, drive to personally improve commensurate to ones ability to do so is a form of killing and oppressing that which makes us human.

Pete F.

04-26-2020, 10:39 PM

54,000 dead Americans and the president is spending the day publicly feeling sorry for himself. What the hell happened to this country?

The people that know me and know the history of our Country say that I am the hardest working President in history. I don’t know about that, but I am a hard worker and have probably gotten more done in the first 3 1/2 years than any President in history. The Fake News hates it!

I work from early in the morning until late at night, haven’t left the White House in many months (except to launch Hospital Ship Comfort) in order to take care of Trade Deals, Military Rebuilding etc., and then I read a phony story in the failing @nytimes about my work....
...schedule and eating habits, written by a third rate reporter who knows nothing about me. I will often be in the Oval Office late into the night & read & see that I am angrily eating a hamburger & Diet Coke in my bedroom. People with me are always stunned. Anything to demean!

.@FoxNews just doesn’t get what’s happening! They are being fed Democrat talking points, and they play them without hesitation or research. They forgot that Fake News @CNN & MSDNC wouldn’t let @FoxNews participate, even a little bit, in the poor ratings Democrat Debates.....
....Even the Radical Left Do Nothing Democrats laughed at the Fox suggestion. No respect for the people running @FoxNews. But Fox keeps on plugging to try and become politically correct. They put RINO Paul Ryan on their Board. They hire “debate questions to Crooked Hillary”....
...fraud @donnabrazile (and others who are even worse). Chris Wallace is nastier to Republicans than even Deface the Nation or Sleepy Eyes. The people who are watching @FoxNews, in record numbers (thank you President Trump), are angry. They want an alternative now. So do I!

Reports that H.H.S. Secretary @AlexAzar is going to be “fired” by me are Fake News. The Lamestream Media knows this, but they are desperate to create the perception of chaos & havoc in the minds of the public. They never even called to ask. Alex is doing an excellent job!

Does anybody get the meaning of what a so-called Noble (not Nobel) Prize is, especially as it pertains to Reporters and Journalists? Noble is defined as, “having or showing fine personal qualities or high moral principles and ideals.” Does sarcasm ever work?

Sorry Citrus Caligula you’ll never comprehend sarcasm.
We’re in a never-ending battle for truth, justice and the American way.
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Sea Dangles

04-26-2020, 11:05 PM

Great job being done here. Don’t get distracted by Bitchslappedboy. 99% wow!
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Pete F.

04-27-2020, 07:24 AM

Sea Dangles

04-27-2020, 07:50 AM

MR1
You’re so sweet

The “hardest working President in history” sent 36 tweets yesterday, none of which were about how we’re going to recover from this pandemic or memorialize the more than 55,000 Americans who‘ve died.

He is a disgrace—to the office he holds and the country he purportedly represents.
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Bitchslappedboy, you have a great idea. 💡
We should memorialize each death suffered in our country. Sickness,suicide,abortion...let’s recognize these folks.🤦🏽#^&♂️

Because when things go too right,you change the narrative.
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Jim in CT

04-27-2020, 08:15 AM

MR1
You’re so sweet

The “hardest working President in history” sent 36 tweets yesterday, none of which were about how we’re going to recover from this pandemic or memorialize the more than 55,000 Americans who‘ve died.

He is a disgrace—to the office he holds and the country he purportedly represents.
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Memorialize? I'm sorry, when was the last time we memorialized people who died of the flu, or cancer, or any other natural cause?

Pete F.

04-27-2020, 09:52 AM

Morons, now it's just the flu? Gonna have a pox party?
Social distancing works, earlier social distancing is hundreds of times better.

70 days of delay cost us thousands of lives, millions of jobs and trillions of dollars.

That's billions and billions for Trumplicans.

Death, disease and economic pain are real. They can't be spun.

No, social distancing didn't start in January but it certainly could have started weeks earlier and been supported rather than downplayed.

What did the Stable Genius do in the time between late January and early March. Besides Rallies, Golf and repeating Chinese propaganda?

January 20, 2020: The United States and South Korea each announce their first case of COVID-19 on the same day.

The CDC confirms the first case of COVID-19 in the United States in Washington State.

South Korea’s National IHR Focal Point (NFP) reports its country’s first case of novel coronavirus on the same day. South Korea quickly proceeds to mobilize vast resources for diagnostic testing, enlisting the private sector for test development, including drive-through screening centers, and quarantines.

The same day: President Xi Jinping publicly announces for the first time that the coronavirus outbreak “must be taken seriously” and that the country must impose all possible measures to contain the virus. Chinese officials also confirm for the first time that the new coronavirus is transmissible via human-to-human contact.
Maybe he told his good friend Donald not to worry about it.

Reports later emerge that by this date nearly 3000 Chinese citizens were already infected by the coronavirus.

March 13, 2020: President Trump declares a national emergency and promises a new website to link Americans to testing sites.

President Trump* declares that the coronavirus pandemic is a national emergency. He also states: “I don’t take responsibility at all,” in response to a question about the lack of available tests.

Because in Trump*s empty mind, the states are responsible but absolute power lies with him.

Stop telling me what the Stable Genius really meant to say or how to interpret him. If he can’t speak for himself then he shouldn’t speak for a nation.

Jim in CT

04-27-2020, 10:06 AM

Bitchslappedboy, you have a great idea. ��
We should memorialize each death suffered in our country. Sickness,suicide,abortion...let’s recognize these folks.��#^&♂️

Because when things go too right,you change the narrative.
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Best way to memorialize the victims is to teach China a lesson that they won't forget, one severe enough to make sure they know not to do this again (if they were as negligent as it appears).

Pete F.

04-27-2020, 10:19 AM

detbuch

04-27-2020, 10:39 AM

The only way we will have any effect on China's power is a strong international alliance organized and led by the United States, or it will not be controlled at all.
This fool has no idea how to lead an administration without getting rid of everyone who could or would disagree with him, never mind a group of sovereign nations.

So which "strong international alliance organized and led by the United States" was having an effect on China's power before Trump was President? Who had an idea on how to lead an administration and a group of sovereign nations against China's power before Trump?

Which alliance or American President was curtailing China's power before Trump?

China was progressively getting stronger before Trump.

Pete F.

04-27-2020, 10:43 AM

Just how much money does Trump* owe the Chinese?

detbuch

04-27-2020, 10:48 AM

How much does the United States owe the Chinese?

Pete F.

04-27-2020, 11:01 AM

Just how much money does Trump* owe the Chinese?

How much does the United States owe the Chinese?

I insist that the guy negotiating for me not be beholden to the organization I'm negotiating with.

Nothing strange about that, just a little due diligence, that's always avoided by a con artist.

Sea Dangles

04-27-2020, 12:03 PM

If Bitchslappedboy insists then we can be sure it must be so.🤡
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detbuch

04-27-2020, 12:25 PM

I insist that the guy negotiating for me not be beholden to the organization I'm negotiating with.

Nothing strange about that, just a little due diligence, that's always avoided by a con artist.

Insist all you want, but if the organization as a whole owes over a trillion dollars to the organization it is bargaining with, the debtor nation is in a whole lot of hurt, regardless of who its leader is and how much that leader owes. China can call in payment for the debt in either case. Trump has way more in assets than it owes China. He can sell enough to pay his debt which is due in a couple of years, still have enough left to be super wealthy and continue to make profits from the businesses his family owns, as well as having a very lucrative pension from the US government. The US has to borrow to pay debt, unless its willing to sell the federal land that it owns--which probably would not happen. It would have to "print" that money causing it to be worth less as well as how much less it's value is already losing due to the trillions borrowed to float us through the pandemic.

What the leader can do in a case where the debtor country has been far more economically damaged by its creditor than the amount it owes to it, is relinquish its debt to that creditor as partial payment for the damage that creditor has caused. And, it can feasibly relinquish the debt that its citizens owe to that creditor to make up for the balance owed to itself.

China is in a bad way regarding the damage it's caused by carelessly or deliberately letting the virus spread outside its borders. I would applaud Trump if he demanded reparations from China.

Pete F.

04-27-2020, 01:42 PM

Trump* will just file bankruptcy like he has previously, though he is very adept at printing money and has now gained control of the Fed.
You are a debt don’t matter guy, right? Pretty hard to support this administration and play the debt card. Or is all the debt the fault of Democrats and those immigrants?
You really should look at Trump*s business history.
Better than even odds he’s upside down now.
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Sea Dangles

04-27-2020, 02:05 PM

detbuch

04-27-2020, 04:46 PM

You are a debt don’t matter guy, right? Pretty hard to support this administration and play the debt card. Or is all the debt the fault of Democrats and those immigrants?

No, I am not a debt don't matter guy. Not sure how you can know what I am if you don't read my posts or watch my videos. I am a Congress-is-responsible-for-the-debt guy. But more so, I'm a Federal-Government-is-constitutionally-limited guy.

There is no possibility that Congress will eliminate the national debt, nor keep it within reason, so long as Progressive policies, regulations, and programs remain in place, and are continuously added to. And I don't attach Progressivism only to Democrats. Republicans have created their own share of Progressive policy. The first Progressive President was a Republican. And there have followed others who were mostly or partially (enough to do the damage) Progressive. And just as bad, if not worse, SCOTUS has "interpreted" the Constitution out of its limited Federal Government shell and not held in check, as is its duty, the unconstitutional Progressivism which has been the driving force behind unhampered government spending.

I don't think you want to discuss any of that. From a lot of your writing, it is apparent that you favor a barely limited, if at all, central government to control much of the core civil functions including health care, welfare, the economy, and control most of all the essential individual responsibilities which can affect those broader issues, which ultimately can be Progressively interpreted to encompass every aspect of our lives.

At any rate, the steadily and constantly expanding needs of the people that progressives manufacture every election cycle, and which they claim the Federal Government must provide, regulate, and pay for, as well as the miraculous expansion of the current ones which never, somehow, actually ever get fixed but constantly, somehow, get worse, all require more programs, regulations, and to be paid for.

Now, a careful reading of the Constitution would reveal that it does not delegate any actual power to the Federal Government to create these programs. And if the Constitution were followed, they wouldn't do so and would not have done so. Which would mean that the major part of the Federal government spending would be, and would have been, eliminated. Which would mean that the debt would be minimal, if at all.

I think that it's the Progressive, socialistic, Marxist, Communist (they are varying degrees of the same thing) approach to governing that is the type which is not concerned with the notion of government debt. That approach does not limit how much money the government owns. It creates as much as it needs. It believes that, in reality, it controls (or should) pretty much everything and that it owns the money it prints and much (if not ultimately most) of what individuals think is theirs, ergo all transactions are under its sanctions, so the money it borrows is its own and the debt is to itself--the central banks being part of the scheme and profiting mightily. And if borrowed from another country, it can pay it back in the same way it pays itself ("borrow it" from itself). It never really even pays itself since, in our case, it never pays down the principle, just pays what interest is owed per month. And who gets to keep those interest payments, why the central banks, the Federal Reserve, who are part of the scheme.

We are assured, by the currently still expanding Progressive governance, that, no, the government truly is limited, is within constitutional bounds. And most want to believe that and are willingly persuaded by "reports" of Court opinions and decisions that they are come by proper constitutional "interpretation." Honest study and honest scholars know that is not true. But better, given where we have come (and where they want to take us), to let the fiction be "true."

The actual, true, trajectory is fully unlimited government power. And we're going to get there either by the ultimate financial crisis in which the government will have to grab total power in order to prevent catastrophe, or by the actual catastrophe which will have, per force, the same resolution. Creeping unsustainable debt may be the ultimate, peaceful, way to unlimited government.

That is, so long as there is not a revolution. Successful gun control can help prevent that. And an ever evolving socialization process in which each new generation accepts the government it has as how it should be will make the transition easier. And that evolution has already developed to the point where the existing younger generations no longer even have an attachment to the founding constitutional system of government. And they are losing any faith or belief in free market capitalism. Socialism has lost its stigma for them. It is even preferred by more and more of them. And, after all, if the Federal government didn't create and pay for all those presumably necessary programs, what would happen to the people. The states surely could not provide them. (Yeah they and their people, if free to do so, could provide better for themselves what is suited to their needs and in differing ways which create workable models or models to avoid.)

What does that all portend for the notion of an unsustainable national debt? I don't think the new generations, if this continues, will care about such a thing. They didn't create it. They won't want to squander what ever resources they have left to pay them off. They will be perfectly satisfied that the debt will simply be erased, and that the musty old institutions that are owed the money can just fold up shop and join them in the new world of benevolent government which will provide the structure for what society needs to be done and employ everyone, all paid relatively equally by government fiat money if money will still be used, in that endeavor.

Pete F.

04-27-2020, 05:48 PM

You think Trump*, the man with “absolute power”, who thinks he can decide when and how states can use the powers not assigned to any branch of the federal government, has a clue what the Constitution says?

I think you’re on the right track but that big money and corporations have taken over the political process in the last 50 years, taking control of everything that is required and profitable while leaving the loss leaders to government.
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detbuch

04-27-2020, 08:09 PM

You think Trump*, the man with “absolute power”, who thinks he can decide when and how states can use the powers not assigned to any branch of the federal government, has a clue what the Constitution says?

I'm guessing that in the case of a national emergency which obviously spread beyond the borders of the several states, he might have some overriding authority. Whether he was right or wrong about it, he did fall back on the federated solution and left it up to the states with guidelines. I'm sure he has "some" clue what the Constitution says. Maybe not a lot. Maybe a lot. I don't know. Apparently you think you do. He does have legal advisers to correct him if necessary. Didn't amount to a crisis or any problem other than opportunity to try to bash him. You do seem to think it's a big deal.

I think you’re on the right track but that big money and corporations have taken over the political process in the last 50 years, taking control of everything that is required and profitable while leaving the loss leaders to government.

I think there is a historical process beginning in the Progressive era in which the Federal Government began reigning in the power of big business, the so-called Robber Barons, resulting in a growing regulatory environment and Supreme Court cases that started to give the Fed growing bits of power.

That mushroomed into the FDR administration's full assault on private enterprise and the creation of a large and continuously growing, since then, administrative state which was the first truly massive step in abandoning the constitutional order and replacing it with ideologically Progressive government.

Johnson's Great Society was the next big leap in that direction. And the Clinton and Obama Admins. took it to the edge of complete transformation.

The growing national regulatory state made it progressively more difficult for smaller businesses to function and compete with larger ones so there was an expanding consolidation of many smaller entities, manufacturers (including auto), insurance companies, banks, medical hospitals, grocery store chains, franchised restaurant chains,etc., into bigger nationwide rather than local ones. Wage regulations, workers rights, workplace safety, and a plethora of other government regulations made it harder and harder to stay small and far easier to corporatize into larger entities.

I think corporatization is more a defense against a powerful centralized government, which is less and less reigned in by constitutional limitations, than it is a taking control of that government.

As well, it is easier, more advantageous, for the Central Government to regulate and keep track of fewer, larger, more cooperative corporations, than many thousands of smaller independent ones. It is also easier to get big campaign contributions. It's a symbiotic relationship between big government and big business.

When companies like Walmart or Microsoft were too independent thinking in their practices, big gov made some threats and a more comfortable relationship was made. Government regulatory power has been an advantage for large corporations over smaller business, but also has been a bit of a Damocles Sword as well.

The relationship is somewhat fascistic. Those who think that Progressive government will save them from fascism have not been paying attention.