Waaay back in 1993, a woman called the Larry King show, said her daughter had a problem with a US Senator, and was looking for someone to turn to for help, she didn't want to go to the press.

The caller was the mother of Tara Reade. Tara Reade is the one who says Biden sexually assaulted her. The caller made no reference whatsoever to a sexual issue, just a problem.

For Kavanaugh, the accusation was enough. All of a sudden, democrats remembered the concept of innocent until prove guilty.

i don't like decades-old accusations, I wouldnt say Biden should step aside by any means. But I said the same thing about Kavanaugh. The left has flip-flopped 180 ndegrees.


https://www.foxnews.com/politics/clip-surfaces-of-tara-reades-mother-phoning-into-larry-king-live-alluding-to-biden-assault-claim

The liberals sure are quiet on this particular topic.

Is this the 1st thread on this subject?

We had to shut the last one down because grown-ups were behaving like children.

Maybe this one will go better.
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We had to shut the last one down because grown-ups were behaving like children.

Maybe this one will go better.
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Maybe if the Moderators would moderate there would be a little civility here.

And so it begins...
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Maybe this one will go better.
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....or not :rolleyes:
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Maybe if the Moderators would moderate there would be a little civility here.

the last thread was before we knew that her mom called into larry king back when it happened, which sure isnt proof behind a reasonable doubt, but for sure it means it’s more credible than the accusation against kavanaugh ever was. the media won’t touch it, neither will the libs here.

how about you leave the kids alone who have other things to do, and answer this question..::

on what basis would anyone who felt kavanaugh should have withdrawn, not say the same thing about Biden?

and if you think the media isn’t in the tank for the DNC, compare the way they covered the kavanaugh story to this. “enemy of the people” isn’t that far off. not anymore. they have trampled on the constitutional protections we have provided.
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And so it begins...
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anything to avoid discussing the merits of an issue.
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Is this the 1st thread on this subject?

what’s the limit? because how many have their been in the subject of trumps personality?
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anything to avoid discussing the merits of an issue.
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So let me get this right you want me to engage in a civil discussion with you and yet you've already insulted me right?
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....or not :rolleyes:
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Exactly
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So let me get this right you want me to engage in a civil discussion with you and yet you've already insulted me right?
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well, you avoided the topic and did something to the effect that there has been a thread, then avoided it further by requesting that the moderators moderate.

so you posted here twice about subjects not related to the thread. i merely pointed that out. if providing a re-cap of what you did is insulting to you, then i suggest perhaps acting in a manner in which seeing an accurate summary of your actions, doesn’t bother you.
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well, you avoided the topic and did something to the effect that there has been a thread, then avoided it further by requesting that the moderators moderate.

so you posted here twice about subjects not related to the thread. i merely pointed that out. if providing a re-cap of what you did is insulting to you, then i suggest perhaps acting in a manner in which seeing an accurate summary of your actions, doesn’t bother you.
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device I asked a simple question . so is there a time limit on when someone has to respond to a thread you started before you think they're duck ing the subject?

You didn't provide a recap, you insulted me. You do it's so often here you don't even recognize it anymore. You constantly insult me first and then in another thread complain about liberals insulting conservatives. Your hypocrisy is stunning.
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Blame TDF for all the hurt feelings. Every time a liberal gets their feelings hurt,he should intervene on their behalf. He should read every thread hourly to ensure a safe space for all. Report Post be damned.
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I asked a simple question . so is there a time limit on when someone has to respond to a thread you started before you think they're duck ing the subject?

You didn't provide a recap, you insulted me. You do it's so often here you don't even recognize it anymore. You constantly insult me first and then in another thread complain about liberals insulting conservatives. Your hypocrisy is stunning.
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three posts by you which dont respond in any way, to the thread.

do you have anything whatsoever to say, about the apparent difference in the coverage and reactions to the allegations against biden, to those of the allegations against Kavanaugh?

there is more evidence, not the same, not less, to support the accusations against biden. Hell, maybe Biden’s last 10 interviews have all been a ruse to lay the groundwork for an insanity defense in the criminal probe against him. that would explain his sudden and obvious senility and inability to string two sentences together.


doesn’t quite explain his graduating 76th out of a class of 85 and claiming he was in the middle of his class, but let’s just conclude math isn’t his strong suit. either that or honesty.
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I don't have hurt feelings. For example nothing you have said has hurt my feelings because I have no respect for you. I just think it's hilarious that people want others to respond to their posts but constantly insult them.
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three posts by you which dont respond in any way, to the thread.

do you have anything whatsoever to say, about the apparent difference in the coverage and reactions to the allegations against biden, to those of the allegations against Kavanaugh?

there is more evidence, not the same, not less, to support the accusations against biden. Hell, maybe Biden’s last 10 interviews have all been a ruse to lay the groundwork for an insanity defense in the criminal probe against him. that would explain his sudden and obvious senility and inability to string two sentences together.


doesn’t quite explain his graduating 76th out of a class of 85 and claiming he was in the middle of his class, but let’s just conclude math isn’t his strong suit. either that or honesty.
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Well we have a president who claimed he graduated top of his class at Wharton but then will not release his grades after wanting Obama to release his and also having his lawyer send letters to UPenn stating they will sue if UPenn releases the grades. So let's conclude that Honesty or math isn't the president strong suit.
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Well we have a president who claimed he graduated top of his class at Wharton but then will not release his grades after wanting Obama to release his and also having his lawyer send letters to UPenn stating they will sue if UPenn releases the grades. So let's conclude that Honesty or math isn't the president strong suit.
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4 posts by you, without touching the subject of the thread. but you did manage to bring trump
into it.

i’ll show you a courtesy you won’t show me. i concede that honesty and humility are not strong suits of Trump.

Any chance at all, you can comment on my question about the disparity in liberal
reaction to the accusations against ford and kavanaugh? or is it your intent to just filibuster here?
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4 posts by you, without touching the subject of the thread. but you did manage to bring trump
into it.

i’ll show you a courtesy you won’t show me. i concede that honesty and humility are not strong suits of Trump.

Any chance at all, you can comment on my question about the disparity in liberal
reaction to the accusations against ford and kavanaugh? or is it your intent to just filibuster here?
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I just directly responded to one of your quotes and provided a counterpoint
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Paul, I see nothing in this thread where Jim insulted you, he was actually pretty civil in his replies.

Like I've said before, you can feel free to just not respond to him or put him on your ignore list.

It might do your blood pressure some good.
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I just directly responded to one of your quotes.
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so the best you can do, is ignore the questions i ask, and just look for any opportunity to change the conversation to trump? of course that’s your right.
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#9. Tame compared to usual insults but it certainly doesn't help when you want someone to engage in a discussion. and let's ignore SD usual insults.
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so the best you can do, is ignore the questions i ask, and just look for any opportunity to change the conversation to trump? of course that’s your right.
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I responded numerous times in the other thread before it fell apart. you mentioned something about Biden's ranking in college and I responded back with Trump's. I don't know what Biden's class ranking had anything to do with the subject of the thread. Seemed to me you were switching subjects.
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#9. Tame compared to usual insults but it certainly doesn't help when you want someone to engage in a discussion. and let's ignore SD usual insults.
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PaulS, you must hear footsteps. Why would you think I was responding to you? Do you know what the term “ grow a pair” means?
Asking for your husband.
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PaulS, you must hear footsteps. Why would you think I was responding to you? Do you know what the term “ grow a pair” means?
Asking for your husband.
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I know intelligence isn't your strong suit but anyone with an iota of intelligence or honesty would know you were talking about me. Ask your husband if you can write a check to a charity for the coronavirus response. This way you can continue to ask people about their sacrifice and claim you actually did something. Im sure your hubby will let you write a check since you don't make any money yourself ( you think you would get a job so you would have a little pride)
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id
like this thread to stay up.
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two new people came forward today to say they new Tara Reade back then, and that she told them
this happened.

compare that to Fords allegations against Kavanaugh, where one friend said she knew nothing if the incident but was pressured by Ford’s lawyers to say otherwise. And Biden’s accuser is a democrat.
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two new people came forward today to say they new Tara Reade back then, and that she told them
this happened.

compare that to Fords allegations against Kavanaugh, where one friend said she knew nothing if the incident but was pressured by Ford’s lawyers to say otherwise. And Biden’s accuser is a democrat.
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Has Reade's story changed? Has her brother's story changed?

Compare Reade's allegations against Biden where she has changed her story vs. Ford whose story didn't change. There were numerous witnesses that wanted to testify/talk to the FBI that where never contacted.

Either way, Trump, Biden and Kavanaugh accusers should all have been given a change to confront them, with witnesses, etc.

I know intelligence isn't your strong suit but anyone with an iota of intelligence or honesty would know you were talking about me. Ask your husband if you can write a check to a charity for the coronavirus response. This way you can continue to ask people about their sacrifice and claim you actually did something. Im sure your hubby will let you write a check since you don't make any money yourself ( you think you would get a job so you would have a little pride)
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Don’t get distraught,the mods will save you. Look at you,all grown up now? What a big boy. Now give your life partner his tablet back.
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Don’t get distraught,the mods will save you. Look at you,all grown up now? What a big boy. Now give your life partner his tablet back.
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Seriously - don't you have any pride?

Has Reade's story changed? Has her brother's story changed?

Compare Reade's allegations against Biden where she has changed her story vs. Ford whose story didn't change. There were numerous witnesses that wanted to testify/talk to the FBI that where never contacted.

Either way, Trump, Biden and Kavanaugh accusers should all have been given a change to confront them, with witnesses, etc.

i don’t know if it’s changed. none of the networks will report on it, son it's hard to know a lot of details. we know Ford’s story changed, and that didn’t stop the firestorm
against kavanaugh. So my question stands, why the stark contrast in reaction from the media and liberals.

fords story didn’t change? are you serious? she kept changing which year, for one.
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i don’t know if it’s changed. none of the networks will report on it, son it's hard to know a lot of details. we know Ford’s story changed, and that didn’t stop the firestorm
against kavanaugh. So my question stands, why the stark contrast in reaction from the media and liberals. What reaction? I've said investigate all 3.

fords story didn’t change? are you serious? she kept changing which year, for one.
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The liberal media broke the story originally. Reade and her brother both changed their story. Ford said she couldn't remember some of the details (which is common w/rape victims) but never changed her story. FYI - Reade doesn't remember the date either.

Either way - investigate all 3.

i don’t know if it’s changed. none of the networks will report on it, son it's hard to know a lot of details. we know Ford’s story changed, and that didn’t stop the firestorm
against kavanaugh. So my question stands, why the stark contrast in reaction from the media and liberals.

fords story didn’t change? are you serious? she kept changing which year, for one.
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I first read about it on CNN....

Investigate. I'd rather it be now rather than October....

corroborating evidence is piling up...

corroborating evidence is piling up...

We have WAY, WAAAAAAY more than there ever was against Kavanaugh. Ford had zero contemporaneous corroboration.

Hilary announces she's supporting the abuser. As usual.

The liberal media broke the story originally. Reade and her brother both changed their story. Ford said she couldn't remember some of the details (which is common w/rape victims) but never changed her story. FYI - Reade doesn't remember the date either.

Either way - investigate all 3.

"What reaction? I've said investigate all 3. '

No offense, but when I say "liberal reaction to the Biden accusations", I don't mean you, one guy on a fishing site. I mean politicians, cable hosts, his potential running mates. I mean the unprincipled jerks who were convinced of Kavanaughs guilt and saying he should get voted down, but have nothing to say now with Biden, where there is far more supporting evidence.

I don't think Biden should step aside unless it's proven, but I said the same thing about Kavanaugh. The liberal hypocrisy here is amazing. Amazing that they don't expect to get called on it.

Very sad indeed
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Wonder why the Trump* media is now going after Biden on this, after they failed with Ukraine, Hunter and there are 35+ allegations of rape against Trump*.

55% of Americans disapprove of Trump's handling of coronavirus, a 6 point *jump* in the last month. Only 44% approve.

By 55-40, they prefer Biden over Trump on coronavirus

By 51-44, they prefer Biden to Trump on the economy (really big)

Currently Trump* is arguing in court that he should not have to give a DNA sample in one case, since he is too busy.
Obtaining a DNA sample is less intrusive that a Covid-19 test that he claims he has done regularly and also uses a swab.
It would only take a couple of minutes.

As far as Tara Reade goes

The Statute ran out so it won't get an official investigation which it would have had she come out in 2009.
But she was to busy praising Joe from 2003 to 2017.

It’s being reported in the media that “her mother called a radio station” no, some unnamed woman did & talked about a “problem with a senator”.
Her mother isn’t alive to say, Biden was VP & on the ticket twice & this never came up? I call BS.

I believe Tara Reade’s allegations need to be investigated thoroughly and fairly. But I certainly do not believe her automatically. Where is the justice in that?

I also believe the allegations against Trump and Kavanaugh should have been investigated in the same way. They were not.

The hard part is under what legal premise should any of them be investigated, of the three only Trump is facing possible criminal charges.

Other than that they all boil down to she said-he denied and there is no way to compel testimony.

But there is one video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYqKx1GuZGg

Unless his finger still smells or she kept the Dress or has video or love letters . It just he said she said ..

Jim you can call it. Liberal hypocrisy. When the whole republican party did the same thing with Trump.. again being heard. Is not the same as being belived
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Unless his finger still smells or she kept the Dress or has video or love letters . It just he said she said ..

Jim you can call it. Liberal hypocrisy. When the whole republican party did the same thing with Trump.. again being heard. Is not the same as being belived
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Let's be very clear, I agree it's he said/she said, and to me, that's not enough. One more time, I don't think Biden should have to step down.

However, YOUR SIDE was quite satisfied that "he said - she said" was more than enough, when it came to Kavanaugh. I'd love to hear an explanation from you, as to why an accusation alone was enough for liberals to treat Kavanaugh as if he was guilty, but suddenly it's not enough to conclude Biden is guilty. What's the difference?

During the Kavanaugh hearings, Biden himself said it was our duty to assume these women are telling the truth. Is there any reason why that should only apply to Republicans?

This isn't about Biden. It's about the entire democratic world pivoting 180 degrees from what they were saying with Kavanaugh. As always, they want it both ways.

"Jim you can call it. Liberal hypocrisy'

What else would you call it? By what possible logic cam liberals say an accusation was enough to doom Kavanaugh, but not enough to doom Biden?

How can you spin this any other way?

Among the lurid details of the lawsuit, Jane Doe alleged Trump tied her to a bed, "forcibly raped" her and threatened her and her family with physical harm, if not death, if she told anyone about the assault. "I understood that Mr. Trump and Mr. Epstein knew that I was 13 years old," Jane Doe wrote in an affidavit
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Among the lurid details of the lawsuit, Jane Doe alleged Trump tied her to a bed, "forcibly raped" her and threatened her and her family with physical harm, if not death, if she told anyone about the assault. "I understood that Mr. Trump and Mr. Epstein knew that I was 13 years old," Jane Doe wrote in an affidavit
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SO do we assume that an accusation means guilt? Or do we only assume that for Republicans? We need a standard, and it needs to be applied consistently. Is that asking too much?

Let's see if anyone filed anything in court


http://thememoryhole2.org/blog/doe-v-trump

PS I’m old enough to remember when they were gonna find out where the 107 million in Trump Inaugural funds went?

Let's see if anyone filed anything in court


http://thememoryhole2.org/blog/doe-v-trump

PS I’m old enough to remember when they were gonna find out where the 107 million in Trump Inaugural funds went?

Biden's accuser filed criminal charges. Filing charges that you know are false, is a crime. Does that count?

Ms Reade filed a criminal complaint on 9 April 2020 with police, saying she was a victim of sexual assault but did not name Mr Biden.

She said in a tweet that she filed the complaint "for safety reasons only", as the statute of limitations for her claim have expired and she had begun to receive online threats.

One of Trump*s 35+ cases is currently in court.

Donald Trump has been credibly accused of rape. His co-defendant in one case died mysteriously in jail. Many, many women have come forward to say that he harassed and assaulted them. Those allegations are another thing that everybody knows. And yet.

Ms Reade filed a criminal complaint on 9 April 2020 with police, saying she was a victim of sexual assault but did not name Mr Biden.

She said in a tweet that she filed the complaint "for safety reasons only", as the statute of limitations for her claim have expired and she had begun to receive online threats.

One of Trump*s 35+ cases is currently in court.

Donald Trump has been credibly accused of rape. His co-defendant in one case died mysteriously in jail. Many, many women have come forward to say that he harassed and assaulted them. Those allegations are another thing that everybody knows. And yet.

Biden has, what, 7 accusers?

Again, let's establish a reasonable standard, and apply it consistently. I can live with that. But if the standard is that accusations are enough, no one will be able to run for anything.

The standard needs to be more than a mere accusation. But a mere accusation, was enough for democrats and the media to sink Kavanaugh. That's why the reaction to Biden is such a joke. In no time at all, it went from "believe all women", to "innocent until proven guilty".

"And yet"

I don't think most people who side with Trump on the accusations, are holding Biden to a different standard. We are pointing out that all the democrats who said Kavanaugh was unfit, should be saying that Biden is unfit. Because everyone who was opposed to Kavanaugh's confirmation, was saying that an accusation was enough.

I don't think an accusation is nearly enough. Not enough to sink Trump, Kavanaugh, or Biden.

I don't think many Republicans are saying Biden should step down. I think we are saying that democrats should be demanding that Biden step down, using the same standard they applied to Kavanaugh.

Accusations of what crime?

Just what did the other women accuse Biden of?

List them and their accusations.

I'll list Trump*s 35 and theirs.

There is so much smoke around Trump* that you know there is a fire unless you are so deeply buried in the Trump* narrative that if you concede your only choice is suicide.

As far as Kavanaugh goes, he's the guy who wanted to question Clinton in public about every single detail of his alleged sexual affair(s) but squealed like a stuck pig when anyone asked about his life. And no, his was not investigated. And yes, he is on the Supreme Court for life.

Jim, do you notice how Pete F does his often used thread hijack trick in order to rag on Trump? He makes absolutely no attempt to address your thesis in this thread, the hypocrisy of the Dems in how they react to the Biden thing vs how they did with Kavanaugh, but jumps straightway to Trump is a bad guy. Saturday-Night-like comedy.

On this one, I definitely think the dems should ask Biden to step aside. There’s still time to get someone else (younger) and less sleazy. There are a lot of accusers, and these accusations take away much of Biden’s credibility and appeal to female voters.
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Unfortunately there’s nothing comedic about the incompetence of this administration.
Much more of a tragic comedy where the lead of the farce is President Pinesol.
A million plus infected and
More dead than Vietnam
And the con man thinks he deserves praise.
Impressive
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On this one, I definitely think the dems should ask Biden to step aside. There’s still time to get someone else (younger) and less sleazy. There are a lot of accusers, and these accusations take away much of Biden’s credibility and appeal to female voters.
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You might as well just vote for Trump*
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Unfortunately there’s nothing comedic about the incompetence of this administration.
Much more of a tragic comedy where the lead of the farce is President Pinesol.
A million plus infected and
More dead than Vietnam
And the con man thinks he deserves praise.
Impressive
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Save yourself a lot of time and effort. Just copy this post and paste in every thread no matter what the subject is.

Save yourself a lot of time and effort. Just copy this post and paste in every thread no matter what the subject is.
Just stay on brand all the time that’s your motto.
You’ll be ecstatic when America descends to the third world.
America Alone
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Just stay on brand all the time that’s your motto.
You’ll be ecstatic when America descends to the third world.
America Alone
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I think Jim is right. The Dems are absolute hypocrites by not saying and acting to the accusation against Biden as they did to the accusation against Kavanaugh.

Save yourself a lot of time and effort. Just copy this post and paste in every thread no matter what the subject is.
Just stay on brand all the time that’s your motto.
You’ll be ecstatic when America descends to the third world.
America Alone
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I think Jim is right. The Dems are absolute hypocrites by not saying and acting to the accusation against Biden as they did to the accusation against Kavanaugh.

And the Trumplicans are not because they have ignored 35 accusations against Trump* never mind the court cases and payoffs of porn stars.
Apparently that’s just Trumplican’s dream scenario, little #^&#^&#^&#^&, fake tits and a little moaning
Congratulations on your wet dreams
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Memo to Pete F. Need to stop ranting. We all know Mr. Lysol is the biggest idiot in American history. But the evidence speaks for itself. It doesn’t need to be shouted.
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SO do we assume that an accusation means guilt? Or do we only assume that for Republicans? We need a standard, and it needs to be applied consistently. Is that asking too much?

You want to know what everyone thinks about Reade. You want to know why cnn didn't bring her up with Biden. You obsess; you whine about hypocrisy. Yet, do you obsess about why Faux and its talking heads didn't concern themselves with a suit about Trump raping a child associated with Epstein? Do you whine about their hypocrisy on 4 billion issues? No, you don't. Your hypocrisy whining is hypocritical.

Memo to Pete F. Need to stop ranting. We all know Mr. Lysol is the biggest idiot in American history. But the evidence speaks for itself. It doesn’t need to be shouted.
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Well, Jim, as you can see, these guys know how to employ slight of hand (typing hand) to deke away from having to rationally discuss your premise. If they can't honestly discuss, then just divert, fake, and repeat their preferred TDS mantras.

If they can't honestly discuss, then just divert, fake, and repeat their preferred TDS mantras.



yup...over and over and over

Biden has, what, 7 accusers?

Again, let's establish a reasonable standard, and apply it consistently. I can live with that. But if the standard is that accusations are enough, no one will be able to run for anything.

The standard needs to be more than a mere accusation. But a mere accusation, was enough for democrats and the media to sink Kavanaugh. That's why the reaction to Biden is such a joke. In no time at all, it went from "believe all women", to "innocent until proven guilty".

"And yet"

I don't think most people who side with Trump on the accusations, are holding Biden to a different standard. We are pointing out that all the democrats who said Kavanaugh was unfit, should be saying that Biden is unfit. Because everyone who was opposed to Kavanaugh's confirmation, was saying that an accusation was enough.

I don't think an accusation is nearly enough. Not enough to sink Trump, Kavanaugh, or Biden.

I don't think many Republicans are saying Biden should step down. I think we are saying that democrats should be demanding that Biden step down, using the same standard they applied to Kavanaugh.

Accusations of what crime?

Just what did the other women accuse Biden of?

List them and their accusations.

I'll list Trump*s 35 and theirs.

There is so much smoke around Trump* that you know there is a fire unless you are so deeply buried in the Trump* narrative that if you concede your only choice is suicide.

As far as Kavanaugh goes, he's the guy who wanted to question Clinton in public about every single detail of his alleged sexual affair(s) but squealed like a stuck pig when anyone asked about his life. And no, his was not investigated. And yes, he is on the Supreme Court for life.

So apparently you were lying about "Biden has, what, 7 accusers?"

So apparently you were lying about "Biden has, what, 7 accusers?"

Sorry, I didn't know you have no access to a search engine.

https://www.thecut.com/2020/04/joe-biden-accuser-accusations-allegations.html

Oh, the hair smelling crimes
Name: Jessica Leeds

Claim: Trump sexually assaulted her on a plane in the 1970s. (Reached up her skirt and grabbed her.)

3 years later, she ran into Trump who called her a "c*nt"
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Trump Rape Allegation

Name: Ivana Trump

Claim: Trump raped her in 1989 and ripped out her hair.

Trump's lawyer Michael Cohen claimed "you cannot rape your spouse."
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Trump Sexual Assault Allegation

Name: Kristin Anderson

Claim: Trump reached up her skirt and grabbed her at a club in NYC in the 1990s.

Friends witnessed the event at the time and knew it was Trump.
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Trump Sexual Assault Allegation

Name: Jill Harth

Claim: In the 1990s Trump shoved her into a wall, grabbed her under her skirt, and tried to kiss her.
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Trump Sexual Harassment Allegation

Name: Lisa Boyne

Claim: Trump sexually harassed her at a dinner where women were forced to walk on a table to leave the event . As they walked Trump looked up their skirts and made gross sexual comments to Boyne.
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Trump Sexual Harassment Allegation

Name: Mariah Billado

Claim: Trump walked in on her while she was changing at a Miss Teen USA competition in 1997
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Trump Sexual Harassment Allegation

Name: Victoria Hughes

Claim: Trump walked in on her and others while they got dressed at a Miss Teen USA competition, girls as young as 15 were naked
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Trump Sexual Assault Allegation

Name: Temple Taggart

Claim: Trump kissed her on the lips at the 1997 Miss USA pageant, non-consensually
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Trump Sexual Assault Allegation

Name: Cathy Heller

Claim: Trump grabbed her and kissed her on the lips at a brunch at Mar-a-Lago in the 1990s. Her husband and children were at the event.
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Still looking for hair sniffing
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Trump Sexual Assault Allegation

Name: Karen Virginia

Claim: Trump grabbed her breast, non-consensually, and said "Don't you know who I am?" at the 1998 U.S. Open.
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Trump Sexual Harassment Allegation

Name: Tasha Dixon

Claim: Trump walked in on her and other contestants while they were naked in their dressing rooms to stare at them during the 2001 Miss USA pageant. Trump's staff then pressured the women to interact with him.
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Trump Sexual Harassment Allegation

Name: Bridget Sullivan

Claim: Trump walked in on her naked in her dressing room and would give creepy hugs, low on her back.
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Trump Sexual Assault Allegation

Name: Melinda McGillivray

Claim: Trump grabbed her butt at Mar-a-Lago in 2003. A photographer at the concert says McGillivray told him of the assault soon after it happened.
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Trump Sexual Assault Allegation

Name: Natasha Stoynoff

Claim: Trump sexually assaulted her at Mar-a-Lago in 2005. He shoved her against the wall and started forcibly kissing her. He said he wanted to have an affair with her.
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Trump Sexual Assault Allegation

Name: Rachel Crooks

Claim: When she was a receptionist at Trump Tower in 2005, Trump kissed her on the lips without her consent. She went and hid in her boss's after the assault and called her sister.

Her sister confirms this version of events.

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Trump Sexual Assault Allegation

Name: Ninni Laaksonen

Claim: In 2006, Trump grabbed her butt backstage at the Late Show with David Letterman.
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Trump Sexual Assault Allegation

Name: Jessica Drake

Claim: Trump grabbed her and kissed her, without consent, in 2006 and then offered to pay her to come to his penthouse suite.
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Trump Sexual Assault Allegation

Name: Summer Zervos

Claim: Trump sexually assaulted her in 2007 at The Beverly Hills Hotel. He grabbed her, forcibly kissed her, and grabbed her breast.

She walked away, but Trump grabbed her again and tried to drag her into a bedroom.
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Trump Sexual Assault Allegation

Name: Alva Johnson

Claim: In 2016, Trump sexually assaulted her in Tampa while she was working on his presidential campaign, forcibly kissing her without consent,.
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Trump Rape Allegation

Name: E. Jean Carroll

Claim: Trump raped her in a department store dressing room in the 1990s. She says she told 2 of her friends about the incident at the time.

Both of those friends publicly confirmed her version of events.
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Trump Sexual Assault Allegation

Name: Karen Johnson

Claim: Trump kissed her, grabbed her, and groped her against her will at a party at Mar-a-Lago in the early 2000s.

After, Trump called her multiple times asking if her could fly her to NY to visit him. She repeatedly refused.
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Trump* doesn’t seem to be a sniffer, just grabs them.
Probably Epstein could tell some stories but he somehow died.
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Whoda thunk it . . . Pete F made the Biden/kavanough comparison about Trump.

Whoda thunk it . . . Pete F made the Biden/kavanough comparison about Trump.

he can't discuss for a second, the disparity in liberal reaction to the accusations against Kavanaugh and Biden.

he can't discuss for a second, the disparity in liberal reaction to the accusations against Kavanaugh and Biden.

He's not interested in that. His basic interest, as I think he once stated in other words, is to expose for us all the danger of Trump. Since there is still resistance to his opinion on that, he has to keep us all focused on the danger. So he can't leave much space for discussions of other topics which distract us from the only relevant and important thing in our time--what little is left of it if we continue to remain ignorant of the terrible destruction that is daily, hour by hour, minute by minute being wrought on the very fiber of our national and political existence by this illegitimate fakery of a President who must be stopped before he can be re-elected. Pete F has to speak and filibuster in a way that figuratively grabs us by our lapels and shakes sense into our stubborn, ignorant heads--while there is still time.

So he can't really allow much space for frivolous discussion. He must inject his message into every thread and flood the zone with words that drown out irrelevant chit chat and immerse us in the truth of orange man bad. Really, really, really very bad.

Whoda thunk it . . . Jim repeated the Biden/Kavanaugh gaslighting and ignored the many claims against Trump*.

By the way 64 Thousand dead but it will go away like a miracle ultimately

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Over 153,000 people have recovered from corona virus in the USA per Johns Hopkins.
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He's not interested in that. His basic interest, as I think he once stated in other words, is to expose for us all the danger of Trump. Since there is still resistance to his opinion on that, he has to keep us all focused on the danger. So he can't leave much space for discussions of other topics which distract us from the only relevant and important thing in our time--what little is left of it if we continue to remain ignorant of the terrible destruction that is daily, hour by hour, minute by minute being wrought on the very fiber of our national and political existence by this illegitimate fakery of a President who must be stopped before he can be re-elected. Pete F has to speak and filibuster in a way that figuratively grabs us by our lapels and shakes sense into our stubborn, ignorant heads--while there is still time.

So he can't really allow much space for frivolous discussion. He must inject his message into every thread and flood the zone with words that drown out irrelevant chit chat and immerse us in the truth of orange man bad. Really, really, really very bad.

It's what the 'D' stands for, in TDS.

Whoda thunk it . . . Jim repeated the Biden/Kavanaugh gaslighting.

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Well, considering that's the topic of the thread..... :rolleyes:
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Well, considering that's the topic of the thread..... :rolleyes:
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The nerve of me!

Workplace sexual harassers/predators are nearly always cheaters.

Biden has never once had an affair or been accused of such.

Yet we are expected to believe a guy w the personal life of a choir boy was going around throwing women up against walls & violating them?

Ok, sure.
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Workplace sexual harassers/predators are nearly always cheaters.

Biden has never once had an affair or been accused of such.

Yet we are expected to believe a guy w the personal life of a choir boy was going around throwing women up against walls & violating them?

Ok, sure.
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In a public space no less
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Biden has never once had an affair or been accused of such.


So the notion that the woman must be believed doesn't apply to Biden?

In a public space no less
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So the notion that the woman must be believed doesn't apply to Biden?

I hope it’s not proven true. But when you look at what his spawn has produced you have to wonder what goes on behind the eye of the public. Regardless, Joe has served far too long.
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So the notion that the woman must be believed doesn't apply to Biden?

it only applies to republicans.

i mean, biden said he didn’t do it. what more do you want? after all, when kavanaugh said he didn’t do it, the democrats believed him and dropped the whole thing. Right?
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I hope it’s not proven true. But when you look at what his spawn has produced you have to wonder what goes on behind the eye of the public. Regardless, Joe has served far too long.
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come on, who among us hasn’t shacked up with our brothers widow, then cheated on her with a stripper, hen had a kid and refused to provide any support, despite being a millionaire? stop being such a perfectionist. that kid is almost depraved enough to be a kennedy.


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it only applies to republicans.

i mean, biden said he didn’t do it. what more do you want? after all, when kavanaugh said he didn’t do it, the democrats believed him and dropped the whole thing. Right?
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What Pete F doesn't get when he whatabouts Trump is that Republicans don't hold to the standard that the woman must be believed. So it's ignorant to point out that you didn't say anything about Trump. It's a Democrat standard--which, as you say, they only apply to Republicans. Which makes them hypocrites.

Although, they may be feeling the pressure from being too obvious now with Biden. So they may start making him feel the heat. Also, that could be an excuse to replace him on the ticket with a better candidate.

And, anyway, I don't think Pete even considers the point and subject of the thread. He would make it about Trump regardless. He's on a mission.

What Pete F doesn't get when he whatabouts Trump is that Republicans don't hold to the standard that the woman must be believed. So it's ignorant to point out that you didn't say anything about Trump. It's a Democrat standard--which, as you say, they only apply to Republicans. Which makes them hypocrites.
I'm pretty sure you confused them with this common sense


And, anyway, I don't think Pete even considers the point and subject of the thread. He would make it about Trump regardless. He's on a mission.

I hope he gets some help

Just sayin’ if only Biden would brag about sexual assault, have sex with a porn star, cheat on his wife, denigrate women’s looks, call avoiding VD his ‘personal Vietnam’, gawk backstage at a teen beauty contest, and muse about dating his daughter: he might win some Trump voters.
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Just sayin’ if only Biden would brag about sexual assault, have sex with a porn star, cheat on his wife, denigrate women’s looks, call avoiding VD his ‘personal Vietnam’, gawk backstage at a teen beauty contest, and muse about dating his daughter: he might win some Trump voters.
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Pete, very slowly.....without using the word “Trump”, please compare the lefts reaction to accusations against Kavanaugh, to their reactions to accusations against Biden.
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He can’t
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So the notion that the woman must be believed doesn't apply to Biden?
Big difference between being heard and being believed.
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Big difference between being heard and being believed.
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ummmm....not according to the dems and msm during the kavanaugh hearings

Big difference between being heard and being believed.
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oh i agree. and look at what your side said during the kavanaugh hearings. not “hear all women”. but believe. biden himself said very specifically at the time that we have an obligation not to just hear these women, but to assume they are being truthful.

this principle, like most democratic principles, depends on who’s ox is getting gored.





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Big difference between being heard and being believed.
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Here is an exact quote from Biden during the Kavanaugh witch trials.

"For a woman to come forward in the glaring lights of focus, nationally, you’ve got to start off with the presumption that at least the essence of what she’s talking about is real"

MSNBC, for Christs sake, hit Biden with this yesterday. This is not an issue that's going to help him.

They never talked to Kavanaughs Yale classmates.
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Whatever keeps people in the Cult of Trump, it is incessant use of false equivalencies, in all things, everything politicized always, that is the cornerstone of each rationalization. Covid's like the flu. Trump lies? All politicians lie. False equivalencies are a dumbing agent.

Very few equivalencies are legitimate. When you compare two things, there are always many considerations underlying one that don't apply to the other. Otherwise, water and sulfuric acid are the same - both liquids. So here - I picked one of them - have a glass, drink up!

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it is incessant use of false equivalencies, in all things, everything politicized always, that is the cornerstone of each rationalization.

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this is hilarious....

They never talked to Kavanaughs Yale classmates.
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(1) Did the democrats believe Kavanaugh was guilty, and did they call for him to step down?

(2) Do the democrats believe Biden is guilty, and are they calling for him to step down?

If the answers to these questions are different, please explain why.

Pete, if you cannot answer the question I asked...perhaps ask yourself why you cannot.

Tara Reade now claims she never made a formal complaint about Joe Biden days after she demanded Joe Biden release his records as a Senate and Federal Archives.

This comes after Joe Biden ask for all records to be released immediately.

The FBI was informed of allegations that Kavanaugh, while drunk during his freshman year at Yale, exposed himself to two heavily intoxicated female classmates on separate occasions. The bureau did not interview more than a dozen people who said they could provide information about the incidents.

One of the accounts, reported by Deborah Ramirez, was made public at the time of Kavanaugh’s confirmation hearings. The other, not publicly known until this weekend, was reported by a male classmate who said he witnessed the incident. He unsuccessfully sought to get the FBI to investigate with help from a member of the Senate Judiciary Committee who asked FBI Director Christopher A. Wray to look into the allegation.

I believe her
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Biden is resisting the release of documents from when he was at the univ of delaware. msnbc asked him about it yesterday, he dodged. he doesn’t want those released.
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Pete and Spence, neither of you has a syllable of comment, in response to what Biden’s principle
was ( believe all women) back in the kavanaugh days?
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They don’t contain personnel records.

But now that you mention it, will Trump allow all the backstage video of The Apprentice to go public? Because there are serious allegations of rape, assault and racism that he faces and victims have said there’s taped evidence.

Apparently you didn't watch his interview or listen to Trump*s Access Hollywood tape. Where's the DNA sample that Trump is suppose to turn over to Jean Carroll?

But keep in mind everyone who is against Trump* knows that because of his failure to lead thousands of Americans have died.
The only thing he is capable of is casting blame and hiding the truth.
Maybe you should ask why Fauci can't testify?

Don't worry the Trumplicans will come up with another fake story after this one, then another and another.
It's Trump*s MO and his other choice is jail.

They don’t contain personnel records.

But now that you mention it, will Trump allow all the backstage video of The Apprentice to go public? Because there are serious allegations of rape, assault and racism that he faces and victims have said there’s taped evidence.

how do you know what’s in files that he won’t release?

Pete, what does it say about the flimsiness of your beliefs, that you are incapable of responding to such a simple, obvious question?

all you have is trump. i concede he’s a scumbag, a pathetic excuse for a man, a husband, and a father. so was bill clinton, wasn’t he?

trump has nothing to do with democrats saying a year ago that we had to believe all women.
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how do you know what’s in files that he won’t release?


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right???

Why don’t you guys care about the 20 plus women who have accused trump of sexual harassment ?? Sad.
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Why don’t you guys care about the 20 plus women who have accused trump of sexual harassment ?? Sad.
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added credibility to Bidens accuser? :rtfm:

try to stay on topic

added credibility to Bidens accuser? :rtfm:

try to stay on topic

he can’t, because the topic doesn’t automatically support liberal=good
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Why don’t you guys care about the 20 plus women who have accused trump of sexual harassment ?? Sad.
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(1) who says we don’t. investigate it, and if he did it, lock him up. Fair enough? did i answer your question?

(2) show me the same courtesy and answer this question...if democrats ( including biden himself) said we are to believe all women, why are they changing their tune now? Can
you please answer that? and the answer has nothing whatsoever
to do with trump.
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I don’t care about any of them. :)
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I don’t care about any of them. :)
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(1). nice dodge.

(2) obviously, you care passionately, in the negative, about Trump. so it was a demonstrably false dodge.
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Unless there is a federal crime, the FBI does not investigate these kinds of allegations. They were involved with regards to Kavanaugh only because he had a background check (administrative, not criminal). White House limited witnesses who could interviewed and required them to be done in a week.
But keep trying to make nothing into something and ignoring the massive number of accusations against Trump*
When is he going to let them take a dna sample, he’s had many more intrusive swabs done for Corona.
Is it because he’s guilty, why else would he avoid it?
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Biden tap dancing. The truth matters
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There is no hypocrisy. Biden has shown respect for his accuser, denied the content and asked for search for the document she said she filed. This exceeds Trump* or Kavanaugh for that matter.
The Trump* and the Kavanaugh hearing/campaign’s tack on the Biden allegation: Focus on hypocrisy, not the case against him.

There is no hypocrisy. Biden has shown respect for his accuser, denied the content and asked for search for the document she said she filed. This exceeds Trump* or Kavanaugh for that matter.
The Trump* and the Kavanaugh hearing/campaign’s tack on the Biden allegation: Focus on hypocrisy, not the case against him.

Your not getting it. It's not about what Biden does or doesn't. It's about the Dems not all saying they believe the woman.

Your not getting it. It's not about what Biden does or doesn't. It's about the Dems not all saying they believe the woman.

5 pages and he still doesn’t get it.
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The exact words matter. Facts matter. Her inconsistencies matter. Her being the lone accuser matters. Biden's asking for investigation matters.

What Trump did still matters, making it a false equivalence doesn't make it any more of nothing than it is turning out to be.

Now what about Trump's DNA test?

Your not getting it. It's not about what Biden does or doesn't. It's about the Dems not all saying they believe the woman.

But that is not what was said and Trumplicans trying to make it into something it is not is what is happening.

In 2018, when Trump*s Supreme Court pick Brett M. Kavanaugh was being accused of sexual assault, Biden said this: “For a woman to come forward in the glaring lights of focus, nationally, you’ve got to start off with the presumption that at least the essence of what she’s talking about is real.”

Hypocrisy is ignoring the vast number of women who have come forward with complaints and lawsuits regarding Trump* and not also asking for those to be investigated.

Can you imagine if Biden called her a liar? Or a dog??

How many issues did Trump and Pecker kill with money and NDAs?

How many settlements does Trump* have with non disclosure agreements signed. Will he be willing to be transparent? No, he hides everything because he a vile weak little man.

Maybe we should focus on the guy already in office. If Biden can’t be president because of 1 sketchy at best allegation, Trump* should resign because of the 23 or so sexual misconduct charges filed against him.

Trump*, arbiter of predation, said he found sexual assault allegations against Joe Biden “convincing” and speculated that the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee may face even more accusations.

In another statement he said “You know I’m automatically attracted to beautiful — I just start kissing them. It’s like a magnet. Just kiss. I don’t even wait. And when you’re a star they let you do it. You can do anything. Grab them by the pussy. You can do anything.”

(1). nice dodge.

(2) obviously, you care passionately, in the negative, about Trump. so it was a demonstrably false dodge.
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Nope. I really don’t care.
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Biden said this: “For a woman to come forward in the glaring lights of focus, nationally, you’ve got to start off with the presumption that at least the essence of what she’s talking about is real.”



In other words, you've got to start off presuming that she is telling the truth. You said exact words matter. I presume that in your world presuming is not believing--that they're two different words so they must mean different things.

But they do share a certain "essence." And the other Dems did actually use the exact word "believe." And they were presuming and believing that Kavanaugh was guilty before any investigation and seem to still presume/believe he is.

So in "essence" they believed her. And they were vociferous about their belief/presumption.

BTW--a small matter to you no doubt--but, ironically (I presume Biden knew this), that presuming business does actually apply to the accused, by law, not to the accuser. In America we say (or we used to say) that the accused is presumed to be innocent until proven guilty, not that the accuser is presumed, in some essential way, to be right . The Dems certainly are affording Biden the benefit of that. They didn't, in essence, want to give Kavanaugh that benefit.

There is no hypocrisy. Biden has shown respect for his accuser, .

but “respect the accuser” wasn’t the democrat slogan for Kavanaugh- it was believe the accuser.

Are you under the impression that ‘respect’ and ‘believe’ are synonymous? Because they are not. Not even close.

Biden is opposing the release of documents from the university of deleware. even msnbc asked him about that. you keep ignoring that inconvenient fact.
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5 pages and he still doesn’t get it.
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remember what the ‘D’ in TDS stands for. When you are enslaved by an ideology, you can’t process that which doesn’t support the narrative. not one of them, not one, can admit the obvious, glaring hypocrisy. I’m a republican, and i’m sorry to say that there are all kinds of examples of republican hypocrisy. i don’t like it, but i can’t deny it.

These guys can’t admit it. not one of them.
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Nope. I really don’t care.
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well the frequency of your anti trump posts, suggests you do. until
you’re on the losing side of an issue.
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....they conveniently forget the drumbeat during the kavanaugh hearings...it was insane levels and ridiculous accusations...just a few weeks ago they were killing trump for causing an "old, white, stupid, male trumplican" to eat fish tank cleaner....but truth is his democrat activist wife is now being investigated for homicide..you pick out just about any major issue the left has lost it's #^&#^&#^&#^& about(and it's hard to keep up with all of them) in recent memory and investigate and you'll find it was in many cases total bs...Nick Sandman-how'd that work out?
the daily rants here are reflective of the lunacy that occupies the heads of the American left

....they conveniently forget the drumbeat during the kavanaugh hearings...it was insane levels and ridiculous accusations...just a few weeks ago they were killing trump for causing an "old, white, stupid, male trumplican" to eat fish tank cleaner....but truth is his democrat activist wife is now being investigated for homicide..you pick out just about any major issue the left has lost it's #^&#^&#^&#^& about(and it's hard to keep up with all of them) in recent memory and investigate and you'll find it was in many cases total bs...Nick Sandman-how'd that work out?
the daily rants here are reflective of the lunacy that occupies the heads of the American left

protect the narrative at all costs, even if it means ruining the life of a high school student who did nothing wrong. protect that narrative.
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Richard Komi does not believe her.
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Richard Komi does not believe her.
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Imagine if a republican offered up that brilliant theory. :rolleyes:
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In other words, you've got to start off presuming that she is telling the truth. You said exact words matter. I presume that in your world presuming is not believing--that they're two different words so they must mean different things.

But they do share a certain "essence." And the other Dems did actually use the exact word "believe." And they were presuming and believing that Kavanaugh was guilty before any investigation and seem to still presume/believe he is.

So in "essence" they believed her. And they were vociferous about their belief/presumption.

BTW--a small matter to you no doubt--but, ironically (I presume Biden knew this), that presuming business does actually apply to the accused, by law, not to the accuser. In America we say (or we used to say) that the accused is presumed to be innocent until proven guilty, not that the accuser is presumed, in some essential way, to be right . The Dems certainly are affording Biden the benefit of that. They didn't, in essence, want to give Kavanaugh that benefit.

Kavanaugh was not investigated and his Yale classmates who could confirm the accusations were not interviewed.

Meanwhile Trump*s DNA sample is not obtainable
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Damn Dems. won't do what the Repubs. refused to do. Deranged.

Kavanaugh was not investigated and his Yale classmates who could confirm the accusations were not interviewed.

Meanwhile Trump*s DNA sample is not obtainable
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Don't see as many natural red haired people as I used to see.

Damn Dems. won't do what the Repubs. refused to do. Deranged.

Paul, tell me where this is wrong, please...

In the Kavanaugh mess, democrats believed that on the basis of an accusation, Kavanaugh was guilty and should step down. They are using a very different standard with Biden.

Nothing to do with Trump or Republicans.

I'd recommend an ophthalmologist.

Imagine if a republican offered up that brilliant theory. :rolleyes:
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Watch the local #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&s try to pretend it didn’t happen
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Paul, tell me where this is wrong, please...

In the Kavanaugh mess, democrats believed that on the basis of an accusation, Kavanaugh was guilty and should step down. They are using a very different standard with Biden.

Nothing to do with Trump or Republicans.

So let me get this straight you expect that after the Democrats saw how the Republicans refused to investigate credible evidence of Kavanaugh (and Trump) now you expect them do the opposite of what Republicans did? It has everything to do with Trump Kavanaugh and the Republicans
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In the Kavanaugh hearings, Democrats believed that he was possibly tainted enough so that he should not receive a lifetime appointment to the highest court in the land and wanted it to be investigated.

When allegations of sexual assault are made by a woman they should be taken seriously & investigated. This is true for the allegations against Biden, but also for the 20+ women who’ve come forward with credible allegations of assault by Trump. The same standards must be used.

Now what about that Trump* DNA sample?

So let me get this straight you expect that after the Democrats saw how the Republicans refused to investigate credible evidence of Kavanaugh (and Trump)

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this is hilariously stupid....were you alive then?...remember the rape trains story?, wasn't Michael Aveniati going to be the next democrat president? and that complete loon Balsy Ford... It was beaten to death by the fools here, the media and the democrats...all beyond shameful partisan hacks... and it was all BS...the left turned the entire process into an circus... that wasn't enough for you?? good grief ..."WE NEED MORE INVESTIGATION....THEY DIDN'T TALK TO SO AND SO"...shut up...we're on biden now...try to stick to the topic

this is hilariously stupid....were you alive then?...remember the rape trains story?, wasn't Michael Aveniati going to be the next democrat president? and that complete loon Balsy Ford... It was beaten to death by the fools here, the media and the democrats...all beyond shameful partisan hacks... and it was all BS...the left turned the entire process into an circus... that wasn't enough for you?? good grief ..."WE NEED MORE INVESTIGATION....THEY DIDN'T TALK TO SO AND SO"...shut up...we're on biden now...try to stick to the topic

go take a walk you need a break
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go take a walk you need a break
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fished all morning :hee:

fished all morning :hee:

Nice
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There's always a tweet

Ryan Grim @ryangrim·Mar 3
A head-to-head Biden v Sanders contest will force voters to take a close look at Biden again. That went very badly for him last time.


taratweets ( Alexandra Tara Reade) @ReadeAlexandra·Mar 3

Yup. Timing... wait for it....tic toc

So let me get this straight you expect that after the Democrats saw how the Republicans refused to investigate credible evidence of Kavanaugh (and Trump) now you expect them do the opposite of what Republicans did? It has everything to do with Trump Kavanaugh and the Republicans
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I see, it's the republicans fault that the dems did a 180 on this.

They postponed the confirmation for a week or ten days, and did an investigation. Not sure what you're referring to when you say there was no investigation.

In any event, the liberal mantra then, was that investigation or no, the accuser was to be believed. Who on the left says they believe Reade?

we're on biden now...try to stick to the topic

Not one of them...not one...can do so. It's something to see.

I see, it's the republicans fault that the dems did a 180 on this.

They postponed the confirmation for a week or ten days, and did an investigation. Not sure what you're referring to when you say there was no investigation.

In any event, the liberal mantra then, was that investigation or no, the accuser was to be believed. Who on the left says they believe Reade?

The investigation was a sham and people who said they have pertinent information never were investigated by the FBI. The liberal media is the one who broke the story. It's the height of hypocrisy to expect the Democrats to do something that the Republicans refuse to do and to try to hold them to a different standard that the Republicans were held. You're the one who constantly says the Republicans have more morals then the Democrats yet in this instance you expect more out of the Democrats.
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Not one of them...not one...can do so. It's something to see.

but but Obama.
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The investigation was a sham and people who said they have pertinent information never were investigated by the FBI. The liberal media is the one who broke the story. It's the height of hypocrisy to expect the Democrats to do something that the Republicans refuse to do and to try to hold them to a different standard that the Republicans were held. You're the one who constantly says the Republicans have more morals then the Democrats yet in this instance you expect more out of the Democrats.
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"The investigation was a sham "

I see. First there was no investigation, now you say there was one, but it was a sham.

One the people that Ford listed as a corroborating witness, said not only did she have zero recollection of the attack, but that Ford's lawyers pressured her to lie. No red flags there!

"It's the height of hypocrisy to expect the Democrats to do something that the Republicans refuse to do"

How about asking the democrats to do the same exact thing they did during the Kavanaugh spectacle - believe the woman? WHy is that so outlandish?

Paul, we now know for a certainty, that democrats do not "believe all women"...only women who accuse Republicans.

What the GOP is asking for, is for the democrats to be consistent. But we can't have that, can we?

You're humiliating yourself here like the rest of them.

All of the liberals believed Kavanaugh's accuser, based solely on the accusation. None of those people, believe this accuser. Despite the fact that this accuser has a ton more corroborating evidence, and unlike Kavanaughs accuser (who admitted she hated the thought of a conservative being on the bench), Reade is a democrat who worked for Biden, and therefore cannot be accused of being driven by partisanship.

Despite all that, the "believe all women" bullsh*t went the way of the dodo pretty quick.

Biden himself, said we have a duty to believe the accuser. Why isn't he saying that now? Why does he deserve more protection than Brett Kavanaugh? Can you at east attempt to answer that?

You guys are HYSTERICAL.

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What does Obama have to do with this, exactly?

Did you see that Barack went golfing on an empty country club golf course, while Michelle recorded a message sent to all phones in DC, telling citizens to stay home unless it was urgent?

Think for a second, of the sheer and utter contempt you'd have to have for the little people, to tell them to stay inside while your husband is hitting the links! That's liberalism, though...it's never about what "they:" should do, always about what "we" should do. "They" are entitled to live better than us...what a swell couple they must be.

If the republic survived those two czars, we can survive this clown just fine.

What does Obama have to do with this, exactly?

Did you see that Barack went golfing on an empty country club golf course, while Michelle recorded a message sent to all phones in DC, telling citizens to stay home unless it was urgent?

Think for a second, of the sheer and utter contempt you'd have to have for the little people, to tell them to stay inside while your husband is hitting the links! That's liberalism, though...it's never about what "they:" should do, always about what "we" should do. "They" are entitled to live better than us...what a swell couple they must be.

If the republic survived those two czars, we can survive this clown just fine.

How many times have we heard but but Obama? Why do we have to just talk about Biden when there's a direct contradiction by what the Republicans have done or should I say what the Republicans have not done. Think about the utter contempt shown by the Republican leaders for anyone who is not a trumplican and not deranged by their love of Trump - day in and day out when Trump gets up there and lies and insult people and they keep their mouth shut. Did they get all tingly when he stood up on the stage and made fun of retards and spazzes? That's what conservativism has turned into these days. If it wasn't so sad it would be hysterical.

And tell me what Obama's playing golf has anything to do with this thread? You've humiliated yourself again here
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"The investigation was a sham "

I see. First there was no investigation, now you say there was one, but it was a sham.

" I've been giving you far too much credit. There was no investigation of trump there was a sham investigation of Kavanaugh. I thought you knew that but again I think I've been giving you far too much credit"

One the people that Ford listed as a corroborating witness, said not only did she have zero recollection of the attack, but that Ford's lawyers pressured her to lie. No red flags there!

"It's the height of hypocrisy to expect the Democrats to do something that the Republicans refuse to do"
How about asking the democrats to do the same exact thing they did during the Kavanaugh spectacle - believe the woman? WHy is that so outlandish?

" I told you it's the height of hypocrisy to expect the Democrats to do something that the Republicans refuse to do."
Paul, we now know for a certainty, that democrats do not "believe all women"...only women who accuse Republicans.

What the GOP is asking for, is for the democrats to be consistent. But we can't have that, can we?

You're humiliating yourself here like the rest of them.

"I think you've have humiliated yourself here by expecting the Democrats to do something you haven't required to Republicans to do. Look up the word hypocrisy there might be a picture of you there"
All of the liberals believed Kavanaugh's accuser, based solely on the accusation. None of those people, believe this accuser. Despite the fact that this accuser has a ton more corroborating evidence, and unlike Kavanaughs accuser (who admitted she hated the thought of a conservative being on the bench), Reade is a democrat who worked for Biden, and therefore cannot be accused of being driven by partisanship.

Despite all that, the "believe all women" bullsh*t went the way of the dodo pretty quick.

Biden himself, said we have a duty to believe the accuser. Why isn't he saying that now? Why does he deserve more protection than Brett Kavanaugh? Can you at east attempt to answer that?

You guys are HYSTERICAL.

As I said it's HYSTERICAL to watch you demand something out of the Democrats that you don't expect out of the Republicans. Look up the word hypocrisy why don't you.
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And tell me what Obama's playing golf has anything to do with this thread?


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hypocrisy....what...you couldn't figure that out?

hypocrisy....what...you couldn't figure that out?

So we should just point out hypocrisy from politicians whenever anyone feels like it.

Did you see Trump got tested for the virus and I can't. That has nothing to do with this thread but I thought I would just throw it out there.

How many times have we heard but but Obama? Why do we have to just talk about Biden when there's a direct contradiction by what the Republicans have done or should I say what the Republicans have not done. Think about the utter contempt shown by the Republican leaders for anyone who is not a trumplican and not deranged by their love of Trump - day in and day out when Trump gets up there and lies and insult people and they keep their mouth shut. Did they get all tingly when he stood up on the stage and made fun of retards and spazzes? That's what conservativism has turned into these days. If it wasn't so sad it would be hysterical.

And tell me what Obama's playing golf has anything to do with this thread? You've humiliated yourself again here
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"How many times have we heard but but Obama? "

From me? A few at least, to point out glaring double standards. Would a speck of consistency be too much to ask?

"there's a direct contradiction by what the Republicans have done or should I say what the Republicans have not done"

I didn't buy the accusation against Kavanaugh, I'm not buying the one against Biden. Where is the double standard there?

"Think about the utter contempt shown by the Republican leaders for anyone who is not a trumplican'

I see Republican leaders criticizing Trump regularly for his style. So your premise there is seriously flawed. If you are upset that Republicans prefer other Republicans to democrats, I'm very sorry fo rthat.

"Did they get all tingly when he stood up on the stage and made fun of retards and spazzes? "

You ruse of retard is very offensive. When did he make fun of "retards"? And if that's offensive to you, what was your position when Obama made fun of them, when after bowling gutter ball after gutter ball, he joked that he looked like a Special Olympics athlete. That was OK, right? Lemme guess, it was different when Obama did it..

As I said it's HYSTERICAL to watch you demand something out of the Democrats that you don't expect out of the Republicans. Look up the word hypocrisy why don't you.
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Demanding? When did I demand anything? I'm not demanding squat. I'm asking for an explanation of the flip-flop, and thoroughly enjoying watching you guys bend over like contortionists because you can't bring yourself to say, "yes, they are being hypocrites on this". That's OBVIOUSLY the case, but you can't bring yourself to say it.

Anyway, when did I make demands? Are you feeling OK? You seem to be hearing voices...

So we should just point out hypocrisy from politicians whenever anyone feels like it.

Did you see Trump got tested for the virus and I can't. That has nothing to do with this thread but I thought I would just throw it out there.

He's more important than a close-minded drone who calls disabled people retards. I'd say you should get tested, based on your posts on this thread, you seem to be suffering from something. See if they can test your IQ while they test for the virus.

He's more important than a close-minded drone who calls disabled people retards. I'd say you should get tested, based on your posts on this thread, you seem to be suffering from something. See if they can test your IQ while they test for the virus.

You're getting angrier and angrier Jim. Take a break you angry man
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You're getting angrier and angrier Jim. Take a break you angry man
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Your posts here consisted of one laughably idiotic dodge after another on the issue of liberal hypocrisy. Frustrated from getting annihilated on that issue, you let fly with the word "retard", which is as disgusting to anyone with any empathy, as the n-word.

Backed further into a corner from which you can't begin to escape, you say I'm angry. I'll admit I don't like the word retard. But this has revealed a lot more about you than it ever will me.

And I asked when Trump made fun of the people you call retards. You dodged, and called me angry.

I'll assume (could be wrong) you're referring to the liberal claim that he made fun of a disabled reporter, which no one would think is beyond him. However, there is actual video evidence of him using those same stupid physical gestures to make fun of someone else who wasn't disabled, so there's every reason to believe he just makes those gestures to demean anyone who doesn't kiss his ring. but your side ran with the "he made fun of the disabled" claim, even though Obama very explicitly made fun of disabled people and no one cared.

Like I said you're an angry man quick with the insults.
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Once again Mr False Equivalence shows his mastery of his craft, and in doing so demonstrates that he doesn't know the difference between self-deprecation and ridicule of others.
Malignant narcissists are not capable of self-deprecating humor, it is too damaging to their fragile self-image.

Once again Mr False Equivalence shows his mastery of his craft, and in doing so demonstrates that he doesn't know the difference between self-deprecation and ridicule of others.
Malignant narcissists are not capable of self-deprecating humor, it is too damaging to their fragile self-image.

Exactly it was a self-deprecating comment made on The Tonight Show and apologized for later.
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Like I said you're an angry man quick with the insults.
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The man who called disabled people "retards" for no conceivable reason, is crying like a little girl because I called him out for doing so. Go tattle to the moderators as usual.

Exactly it was a self-deprecating comment made on The Tonight Show and apologized for later.
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Oh, he apologized! That erases the whole thing.

Self deprecating...so because he was making fun of HIMSELF by saying he was so bad at something that he looked like a Special Olympics athlete (when in fact, Special Olympics bowlers are much better than he is, it was as ignorant a thing to say as it was insulting).

Obama doesn't know any "retards", because where he comes from, home of the sophisticated swells, they abort those kinds of babies. That's what sophisticated, superior, more evolved intellectuals do.

The man who called disabled people "retards" for no conceivable reason, is crying like a little girl because I called him out for doing so. Go tattle to the moderators as usual.

The only person in the history of SB.com to stoop to that level. Who is surprised?
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The man who called disabled people "retards" for no conceivable reason, is crying like a little girl because I called him out for doing so. Go tattle to the moderators as usual.

If you can't figure out I was making fun of Trump you're dumber than I thought you were. It shows derangement of trumplicans that they had no problem electing the guy who stood up there and made fun of spazzes and retards. Why would you think I'm crying like a little girl?

I didn't tattle I asked why when Bruce posts the rules of the site are they not enforced.

As I said you're just an angry man who can't control himself whenever you don't like a post you just resort to insults.
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The only person in the history of SB.com to stoop to that level. Who is surprised?
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you mean posted something to mock the Republicans who supported Trump and how they had no problem with him up there making fun of spazzes and retards
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If you can't figure out I was making fun of Trump you're dumber than I thought you were. It shows derangement of trumplicans that they had no problem electing the guy who stood up there and made fun of spazzes and retards. Why would you think I'm crying like a little girl? I didn't tattle I asked why when Bruce posts the rules of the site are they not enforced. As I said you're just an angry man who can't control himself whenever you don't like a post you just resort to insults.
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What the hell is wrong with you? First of all, you weren't making fun of Trump, you were criticizing him. Second, you were criticizing him for something I don't think he ever did. Third, by what logic is a disgusting term acceptable, as long as you are using it to poke fun at Trump?

That just makes all kinds of sense.

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You tattled like a little girl. Multiple times.

What the hell is wrong with you? First of all, you weren't making fun of Trump, you were criticizing him. Second, you were criticizing him for something I don't think he ever did. Third, by what logic is a disgusting term acceptable, as long as you are using it to poke fun at Trump?

That just makes all kinds of sense.

more droning on from a deranged trumplican. You seem to have more problems with my using the term spazz and retard then with Trump on stage making fun of people with disabilities. More hypocrisy out of you.
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You tattled like a little girl. Multiple times.

No I didn't you compulsive liar. I just pointed the violations and asked why they were acceptable. I didn't go behind anyone's back like a tattle-tale does. See you're a compulsive liar you can't help yourself.

You're an angry man face it.
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No I didn't you compulsive liar. I just pointed the violations and asked why they were acceptable. I didn't go behind anyone's back like a tattle-tale does. See you're a compulsive liar you can't help yourself.

You're an angry man face it.
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So you didn't tattle, but you admit to pointing out the violations of others to the moderators of the site and asked why the moderators didn't use their authority.

As opposed to tattling. Because what you freely admitted to, is very different from tattling.

Call me anything you want, I don't make fun of people with Downs Syndrome. That distinction is all yours, congratulations, kudos to you.

And for the tenth and last time, you didn't, you couldn't, offer a syllable about the topic of this thread, other than to blame the GOP for the fact that your side turned the rudder over 180 degrees the nanosecond an accusation was made against one of yours.

As usual, liberalism isn't about what 'they' should do, it's about what 'we' should do. 'We' should believe all women. 'They' can pick and choose when to believe the accuser, based solely on the political affiliation of the accused. Because that makes sense.

more droning on from a deranged trumplican. You seem to have more problems with my using the term spazz and retard then with Trump on stage making fun of people with disabilities. More hypocrisy out of you.
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As I said, and as rational people already know, there is video evidence to suggest that Trump's mocking the reporter (who didn't have any mental limitations, so I can't imagine why you brought 'retard' into it, I suppose you just have some latent hostility towards them) had nothing whatsoever to do with the reporter's challenges. And since I said that Trump's mocking the guy was juvenile and stupid, no one here can fathom why you are calling me a Trumplican. But I only criticize him for stuff he actually says and does, I don't have a compulsion to fabricate things to accuse him of. Which in your mind, makes me a Trumplican.

You say so!

Kevin! Kevin! A conservative said something that hurt my feelings! Isn't that against the rules, at least when conservatives do it? Waaah! Waaah! Waaah!

And even if they did insult you, you just said that insulting words aren't really insulting if you are using them to make fun of someone. That's what you said? So you had no more reason to get upset by it, than I did by your use of 'retard'. Right? Right???

Maybe you're menstruating, that would explain a lot.

Kevin! Kevin! A conservative said something that hurt my feelings! Isn't that against the rules, at least when conservatives do it? Waaah! Waaah! Waaah!

Maybe you're menstruating, that would explain a lot.

Sounds familiar

"You could see there was blood coming out of her eyes, blood coming out of her wherever."

The only person in the history of SB.com to stoop to that level. Who is surprised?
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Which level are you referring to? Insulting people with Downs, or tattling to the moderators? Because as far as I can see, he has the distinction of being the only one to stoop to both of those levels.

Again, that's what the D stands for, in TDS. I think they see the likelihood of re-election (which I still don't think is as likely as I wish it were) and it broke their brains.

So you have more problems with me using what Trump did than with Trump and what he actually did and you voted for Trump on top of it? You hypocrite.

Menstruating good one. Youre a classy guy
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I still don't understand why some claim it is Trump Derangement Syndrome when the most apparent affliction is Trump Defense Syndrome.
And rational people think it is far less defensible.

So you have more problems with me using what Trump did than with Trump and what he actually did and you voted for Trump on top of it? You hypocrite.

Menstruating good one. Youre a classy guy
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(1) for the third time, please show me where Trump ever made fun of people with Downs Syndrome.

(2) even if he did do it, does that mean it's OK for you to do it? Maybe we can raise the bar?

(3) I did vote for Trump, as you voted for Obama, after Obama very explicitly made fun of people with Down's. Here's the difference between you and me. I can say (because it's true) that I voted for Trump, even though he does things that I think are disgusting. You can't bring yourself to say that about Obama. Even in this case about making fun of people with Downs (assuming Trump did it, which you refuse to provide evidence of), you justify Obama's making fun of them. You can't just say it was a horrible thing to say. You literally are incapable of it. it's bad when anyone makes fun of those people. It's bad when Obama did it, and if Trump did it (big if), it's just as bad. You give Obama a pass, because you like him.

'Youre a classy guy"

I never said I was. I don't consider myself especially classy. But I calls 'em like I sees 'em, and you are presenting yourself lately as a bratty little girl who will say absolutely anything to avoid any criticism of anyone with a D after their name. I have never, ever heard anyone suggest that using deeply offensive words is acceptable and non-offensive, as long as you are using them to make fun of Trump. Or in Obama's case, making fun of himself. Where did you come up with that stupidity? Where is the logic? You're saying that if I insult myself using the n* word, no one should be offended by that? Or do only liberals get such blanket immunity?

And i'm classy enough to never, ever use that word the way you did.

Ya dun gone and victimized him agin, how deer ya?
Doncha no he's already a deplorable and now you gone and toll him dis.

yeah let's raise the bar here that's a good one
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Here is the tough question
Would you trust Donald J Trump with the lives of your loved ones?

you mean posted something to mock the Republicans who supported Trump and how they had no problem with him up there making fun of spazzes and retards
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Not what I meant. I can make it crystal clear if you can’t catch the hint.
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No I didn't you compulsive liar. I just pointed the violations and asked why they were acceptable. I didn't go behind anyone's back like a tattle-tale does. See you're a compulsive liar you can't help yourself.

You're an angry man face it.
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Somebody does not know what tattling means.
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Here is the tough question
Would you trust Donald J Trump with the lives of your loved ones?

Only for 8 years.👍🏿
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Here is the tough question
Would you trust Donald J Trump with the lives of your loved ones?

It's a broad question. In a military sense, I'd have no problem with one of my kids serving under him. If my house was on fire, would I expect him to rush in and save my kids? Hell no.

Somebody does not know what tattling means.
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Yup.

I didn't tattle. I merely informed the authorities here, of the behavior of my peers when I thought said behavior was unacceptable, instead of dealing with it on my own. But I didn't tattle!

yeah let's raise the bar here that's a good one
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again, the guy who mocked those with Downs as 'retards', doesn't like the level of discourse. You are such a victim Paul. Poor Paul.

For the 4th time, when did Trump make fun of 'retards'? Any reason why you won't specify?

again, the guy who mocked those with Downs as 'retards', doesn't like the level of discourse. You are such a victim Paul. Poor Paul.

Don't feel sorry for me but I do feel sorry for you supporting Trump who stood up there on the stage and made fun of spazzes and retards and then you get your panties all in a bunch over someone who's mocking Trump and his supporters for not caring that he did that.
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Not what I meant. I can make it crystal clear if you can’t catch the hint.
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Sure make it crystal clear.
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It's a broad question. In a military sense, I'd have no problem with one of my kids serving under him. If my house was on fire, would I expect him to rush in and save my kids? Hell no.

And which of your relatives would you be willing to sacrifice to open the economy?

At 3000 deaths a day, it will come close to home for most of us.

Just WHO is your 401K worth to you?

Trump* doesn't care about anything other than getting elected again.

Insignificant Collateral damage, anyone?

And which of your relatives would you be willing to sacrifice to open the economy?

At 3000 deaths a day, it will come close to home for most of us.

Just WHO is your 401K worth to you?

Trump* doesn't care about anything other than getting elected again.

Insignificant Collateral damage, anyone?

We'd save lives if we made the speed limit 5mph, but we don't do that. How come?

"At 3000 deaths a day"

Interesting math. How long has the virus been here? 80 days? More? And we're at 67,000 deaths? I mean, we all know that math isn't liberals' strong suit, but that's some creative, far-fetched math even for a liberal. Which is less than a bad flu season, and we don't destroy the national economy every flu season.

I'm not saying for sure I think we over-reacted. And hindsight is always 20-20. But you can make a case that we didn't need to do this. Look at Sweden, Taiwan, etc...

'Just WHO is your 401K worth to you?'

Look d*ckhead, you asked me if I'm better off today than I was in January of 2017, I said I was, and I provided support, like my 401k and 529 plans being up. You didn't like my answer, and you couldn't think of a sensible response (because there isn't one), so you moved the goalposts and somehow conclude that because I'm happy my 401k is up, somehow that means I don't care about people. Wanting to retire comfortably, and caring for people, aren't mutually exclusive. Are they? I don't see why they would be, but I'm sure you have an answer that's just full of common sense. Please share.

"Trump* doesn't care about anything other than getting elected again."

Quite the mind reader.

Don't feel sorry for me but I do feel sorry for you supporting Trump who stood up there on the stage and made fun of spazzes and retards and then you get your panties all in a bunch over someone who's mocking Trump and his supporters for not caring that he did that.
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I said his attacking that reporter was disgusting. Only in your mind, is that supporting what he did.

You still keep saying that word. You really like that word, huh? Did someone with disabilities graduate above you in your high school class, is that where the hostility comes from?

Pete: Are you better off than you were 4 years ago?

Jim: Yes. For one thing, my 401k is up.

Pete: Oh. And how many people are you willing to sacrifice for your 401k?

I mean, do you think that human sacrifice is the only way that 401k's increase in value? How did you arrive at that asinine conclusion?

I said his attacking that reporter was disgusting. Only in your mind, is that supporting what he did.

You still keep saying that word. You really like that word, huh? Did someone with disabilities graduate above you in your high school class, is that where the hostility comes from?

Yes, exactly
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Yes, exactly
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paul for the 5th and final time, what is your evidence that trump made fun of people with intellectual disabilities? or did you just feel like injecting that hateful term in here?
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Watch the video. It was disgusting.

There is no bottom with this President.

Watch the video. It was disgusting.

There is no bottom with this President.

what intellectual disabilities did the reporter have, Paul? you’re saying he was a “retard”? In what way?

i agree it was disgusting, yet when you say it that’s good, when i say it, you call me a Trumplican.

apparently there is a bottom, as I’ve never heard Trump at the word “retard”.

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what intellectual disabilities did the reporter have, Paul? you’re saying he was a “retard”? In what way?

i agree it was disgusting, yet when you say it that’s good, when i say it, you call me a Trumplican.

apparently there is a bottom, as I’ve never heard Trump at the word “retard”.

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No idea what intellectual disabilities he has. While I haven't heard him use spazz or retard, I think we would all agree it is within the realm of possibilities.

We would never have heard either of those words of any other Pres. in our lifetime.

Sure make it crystal clear.
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Paul, nothing personal.
You are the only person in the history of the SB.com to summon the moderators to defend you. Not once or twice either.
Close to 20 years have gone by with folks exchanging their thoughts on the site. PaulS is the only person who decided to NOT stand on his own feet and instead make a plea for help. Not only do you steal fishing spots,you also have coward on your resume’. Shame on you and shame on your cowardice.
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Paul, nothing personal.
You are the only person in the history of the SB.com to summon the moderators to defend you. Not once or twice either.
Close to 20 years have gone by with folks exchanging their thoughts on the site. PaulS is the only person who decided to NOT stand on his own feet and instead make a plea for help. Not only do you steal fishing spots,you also have coward on your resume’. Shame on you and shame on your cowardice.
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I didn't summon them to defend me. Bruce posted the rules and I asked why they didn't apply to you?

You have called me P ussy many times and POS. You talk about people's father, mother and son.

You are a vile, scummy person. I don't know why they allow you to post the vile things you do. You are the most classless person here.

What are you talking about w/fishing spots?

No idea what intellectual disabilities he has. While I haven't heard him use spazz or retard, .

so you concede the guy isn’t a “retard”, and that Trump never referred to him that way, yet you claimed trump makes fun of “retards”. based on nothing.

how about we judge him for things he actually does, not stuff you think he’s capable of?
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No idea what intellectual disabilities he has. While I haven't heard him use spazz or retard, I think we would all agree it is within the realm of possibilities.

We would never have heard either of those words of any other Pres. in our lifetime.

and the only president i know of, who explicitly made fun of these particular people, is Obama. But you had exactly zero issue with that. And that’s not hypocrisy.
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so you concede the guy isn’t a “retard”, and that Trump never referred to him that way, yet you claimed trump makes fun of “retards”. based on nothing.

how about we judge him for things he actually does, not stuff you think he’s capable of?
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Based on the classlessness of this Pres. So what was he doing on stage mocking the reporter?

and the only president i know of, who explicitly made fun of these particular people, is Obama. But you had exactly zero issue with that. And that’s not hypocrisy.
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As you were told, it was a self deprecating comment - meaning he was attempting to make a joke at his own expense. Obama made a poor joke and then apologized. There is no comparison between what Obama did and what Trump did - even ignoring the many, many other times Trump mocks people. Obama didn't do that.

So no hypocrisy. It is not like your trying to hold the Dems. to a standard that you did not hold the Repub. to.

Talk about hypocrisy, just like your hero.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DB9cdbJQ_f8

Based on the classlessness of this Pres. So what was he doing on stage mocking the reporter?

As he often does, he was mocking a guy who was critical of him. A guy who has no intellectual disabilities as far as we know.

Paul, obviously you are part of the group who thinks the president's gestures were making fun of the guys physical challenges. I also assumed that back then, and I reacted the same way you did.

But as is sometimes the case, there's more to that. There was older video of Trump making the same physical gestures, to make fun of someone else who mocked him, and that person had no disabilities. So it's very possible (that for whatever awful reason), Trump uses that twitching motion to mock anyone who disagrees with him. He may well not have even known the guy was disabled.

Your side always leaves that part out. Because the goal is to demonize him as much as possible, not to judge him truthfully.

Again, you used the word 'retard', you admitted the reporter has no intellectual disabilities, you admitted Trump never used that word. End of that story.

As you were told, it was a self deprecating comment - meaning he was attempting to make a joke at his own expense. .

And you were told, that no sane person has ever said that rules of decency cease to apply,when one is being self-deprecating.

I am the worlds worst dancer - the worst. The absolute worst on the planet. If I make a joke at my own expense, saying "no one will ever say I dance as well as a n*gger", using YOUR LOGIC, no one should be offended by that, because I was being self deprecating? You stand by that? Or do you see how unbelievably stupid your logic is?

And what Obama said is worse. Because he wasn't just making fun of himself, he was also making fun of the inability of Special Olympians to bowl better than he does. When in fact, they bowl much better than he does.

The man-baby is still mad

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tl3ZdSf2Ktc

I didn't summon them to defend me. Bruce posted the rules and I asked why they didn't apply to you?

You have called me P ussy many times and POS. You talk about people's father, mother and son.

You are a vile, scummy person. I don't know why they allow you to post the vile things you do. You are the most classless person here.

What are you talking about w/fishing spots?

You asked for help on multiple occasions. (P*ssy)You portray it as a one time plea. Not so.
You were recently described as a skinny whiner who steals his friends fishing spots. Not my words so don’t take it personally.
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As he often does, he was mocking a guy who was critical of him. A guy who has no intellectual disabilities as far as we know.

Paul, obviously you are part of the group who thinks the president's gestures were making fun of the guys physical challenges. I also assumed that back then, and I reacted the same way you did.

But as is sometimes the case, there's more to that. There was older video of Trump making the same physical gestures, to make fun of someone else who mocked him, and that person had no disabilities. So it's very possible (that for whatever awful reason), Trump uses that twitching motion to mock anyone who disagrees with him. He may well not have even known the guy was disabled.

Your side always leaves that part out. Because the goal is to demonize him as much as possible, not to judge him truthfully.

Again, you used the word 'retard', you admitted the reporter has no intellectual disabilities, you admitted Trump never used that word. End of that story.

You're giving him more credit than he deserves. It is not a coincidence he mocked someone who had a handicap and I am sure since he knew the reporter enough to mock him, Pres. Trump knew what disabilities he has. And for him to mock him, is wrong. It is not the same as an attempt at a self deprecating joke as Pres. Trump would ever try that bc he is too vain. And Obama apologized for it.

You're giving him more credit than he deserves. It is not a coincidence he mocked someone who had a handicap and I am sure since he knew the reporter enough to mock him, Pres. Trump knew what disabilities he has. And for him to mock him, is wrong. It is not the same as an attempt at a self deprecating joke as Pres. Trump would ever try that bc he is too vain. And Obama apologized for it.

"It is not a coincidence he mocked someone who had a handicap"

He mocks everyone who dares to criticize him. But the fact is there is evidence that he mocks everyone in this manner (with twitching and spasms), not just people who tragically suffer from that.

The fact that he previously used the same exact gestures to make fun of a healthy person who disagreed with him, means nothing to you?

[QUOTE=PaulS;1192584] Pres. Trump knew what disabilities he has. ]

Prove that please.

You asked for help on multiple occasions. (P*ssy)You portray it as a one time plea. Not so.
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I haven't fished with anyone from this site (other than Conn. guys) in years you idiot. And that is why I think you are stupid.

So you ask people about me? Infatuated?

[QUOTE=PaulS;1192584] Pres. Trump knew what disabilities he has. ]

Prove that please.

Prove he didn't please.

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Prove he didn't please.

So the burden if proof isn't on you when you make that claim? You can just say he knew, and that's good enough? And there IS proof he didn't know. Not sure how many times I have to say it, but there is actual video of Trump previously using the same exact gestures to mock someone else, who was healthy. So the fact is, he uses those gestures regardless of the medical situation of the person he's mocking.

Paul, lick your wounds and go away. You're having a very, very rough time on this thread.

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So the burden if proof isn't on you when you make that claim?when you mock someone with a physical aliment in the same manner as that aliment manifests itself, the burden of proof is on the person who did the mocking to prove it is a coincidence. You can just say he knew, and that's good enough? And there IS proof he didn't know. Not sure how many times I have to say it, but there is actual video of Trump previously using the same exact gestures to mock someone else, who was healthy. So the fact is, he uses those gestures regardless of the medical situation of the person he's mocking.

Paul, lick your wounds and go away. You're having a very, very rough time on this thread.

So it is just a coincidence that he physically mocked someone that has some disability that manifest itself in the reporter have those same type of physical movements? BC 1 other time (which I haven't seen) he mocked someone else in that fashion, you think that proves he didn't do it intentionally.

You're naïve or intentionally lying. You have been defending him for how many pages - that is exactly what TDS is. If the person discussing things with you wants to go on and on for pages and pages you will continue to defend Trump bc you have TDS.

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So it is just a coincidence that he physically mocked someone that has some disability that manifest itself in the reporter have those same type of physical movements? BC 1 other time (which I haven't seen) he mocked someone else in that fashion, you think that proves he didn't do it intentionally.

You're naïve or intentionally lying. You have been defending him for how many pages - that is exactly what TDS is. If the person discussing things with you wants to go on and on for pages and pages you will continue to defend Trump bc you have TDS.


Paul, you are criticizing him for "making fun of retards" when in your own words, you never saw him do it. You are criticizing him for something which you admit he has never done.

This is the most vulgar, obnoxious, jerky POTUS we have ever had. And all the legitimate things available to criticize him for, aren't enough, You have to make stuff up. You ADMIT that you made it up.

And that, my friend, is what TDS is.

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Paul, you are criticizing him for "making fun of retards" when in your own words, you never saw him do it. You are criticizing him for something which you admit he has never done.

This is the most vulgar, obnoxious, jerky POTUS we have ever had. And all the legitimate things available to criticize him for, aren't enough, You have to make stuff up. You ADMIT that you made it up.

And that, my friend, is what TDS is.

I didn't make anything up - he mocked the guy and you are defending him. You're trying to defend the indefensible (TDS)

You're trying to waive it away by saying he made the same motions before 1 time while ignoring the hundreds (thousands) of times he insulted others w/o making that motion. If you had 000s of data points in an actuarial review and one outlier, you would ignore the outlier - not the 000s of data points. I just read the other times that Trump waived his arms around like that the contortions where not the same and the arms movements, spasms and contortions where totally different (mocking the reporters curl of the right hand and wrist). Ann Coulter wrote in her book that Trump was not making fun of the reporter but rather "was dong a standard retard, waving his arms and sounding stupid". In addition, before the mocking, Trump said "You've got to see this guy". The reporter previously covered him and said they were on a first name basis.

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I didn't make anything up -

oh FFS you said he made fun of retards, i asked for an
example, you said the reporter who got said has no intellectual
issues.

there is no evidence, none, that he “made fun of regards.”. ann coulter’s opinion means nothing.

show me where he “made fun of regards”. if you can’t show me anything, that means you made it up.

what in god’s name happened to your brain?
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oh FFS you said he made fun of retards, i asked for an
example, you said the reporter who got said has no intellectual
issues.

there is no evidence, none, that he “made fun of regards.”. ann coulter’s opinion means nothing.

show me where he “made fun of regards”. if you can’t show me anything, that means you made it up.

what in god’s name happened to your brain?
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I send my regards to your brain as well. :hihi:
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FFS as Ann said,, he was doing the half retard. That is what I used to see people doing when they were 10 years old. So your contention is that he wasn't doing the Retard but the spazz?
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I send my regards to your brain as well. :hihi:
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On this thread, Paul used the word "retard" for absolutely no conceivable reason.

He accused Trump of mocking those people, and when I asked for examples, he came up with Trump mocking a guy who has no intellectual issues. He admitted Trump hasn't made fun of those people, but he thinks he's capable of it, therefore that's the same as if he actually did it.

As wrong as Paul claims it would be to make fun of such people, he defended Obama doing exactly that, because Obama was making fun of himself at the same time (as if that's an excuse for using hate speech).

Paul claimed he didn't tattle to the mods, but rather, he alerted them to the behavior of others which he thinks violated the rules. Because that's so much different from "tattling".

He calls me a Trumplican even though several times I criticized Trump harshly.

And finally, he (like the rest of you) can't concede that liberals are holding Biden's accuser to a very different standard than they help Kavanaugh's accuser to.

When I act that irrationally, you let me know, and I'll go get a cat scan.

FFS as Ann said,, he was doing the half retard. That is what I used to see people doing when they were 10 years old. So your contention is that he wasn't doing the Retard but the spazz?
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So Ann Coulter is a mind reader, just like you are. Are you guys in the same club or something? At least when she's bashing Trump. I'm sure you rely on her opinions often.

STILL waiting for you to respond to my question if it's ok for me to use the n-word when I am making fun of myself. Any special reason you won't respond?

So Ann Coulter is a mind reader, just like you are. Are you guys in the same club or something? At least when she's bashing Trump. I'm sure you rely on her opinions often.

STILL waiting for you to respond to my question if it's ok for me to use the n-word when I am making fun of myself. Any special reason you won't respond?

BC I ignore many of your posts. So stop stamping your feet when someone doesn't answer a question you asked.

Why are you ignoring my question whether he was doing the retard or the spazz?

BC I ignore many of your posts. So stop stamping your feet when someone doesn't answer a question you asked.

Why are you ignoring my question whether he was doing the retard or the spazz?


As to your question, what I know for a fact was in his vindictive and obnoxious way, Trump was making fin of a guy who criticized him. He made fun of him in a way that he had made fun of another guy in the past suggesting that his choice of mockery wasn't necessarily related to this guy's condition. If you read Ann Coulters's article, instead of just the sentence that suited your needs, you'd see she was making the same argument I'm making, but she used hateful language to do so. Hateful language that you embraced.

I answered your question. Any chance you can show me the same courtesy? using your logic, can I assume it's OK if I use the n-word while making fun of myself? If not, please explain the difference between that, and your defense of what Obama did.

It must be exhausting to have to get so creative, vague, and evasive, instead of simply answering questions and - god forbid - admitting someone else is right once in awhile.

It is not believable to me that you believe Trump did not make fun of the reporter by imitating and mocking his movements - whether they were as a result of a physical or some type of mental disability. And for that reason, I think you have no credibility (and TDS).

How low we have fallen that this would even be a subject - but with Trump nothing is too low.

As to your question, what I know for a fact was in his vindictive and obnoxious way, Trump was making fin of a guy who criticized him. He made fun of him in a way that he had made fun of another guy in the past suggesting that his choice of mockery wasn't necessarily related to this guy's condition. If you read Ann Coulters's article, instead of just the sentence that suited your needs, you'd see she was making the same argument I'm making, but she used hateful language to do so. and if you read any other articles you would see that all say Trump's movement are totally different from what he did w/the reporter and with the general. There are even videos online showing the differences. Hateful language that you embraced.I embrace it only to show what a vile low person he his and that the Trumplicans will do anything to support him regardless of how low he goes.

I answered your question. Any chance you can show me the same courtesy? using your logic, can I assume it's OK if I use the n-word while making fun of myself? If not, please explain the difference between that, and your defense of what Obama did.Feel free to make that argument. Most people would disagree.

It must be exhausting to have to get so creative, vague, and evasive, instead of simply answering questions and - god forbid - admitting someone else is right once in awhile.

You're the one who is wrong. You should have just stuck with he says vile things but I like his policies.

You're the one who is wrong. You should have just stuck with he says vile things but I like his policies.

"Feel free to make that argument. Most people would disagree"

It was your argument. Not mine

Now you're saying it wasn't you, who said that it was OK to use hate speech as long as you are poking fun at yourself. You didn't say that, to defend Obama's making fun of Special Olympians?

"it was a self-deprecating comment "

"As you were told, it was a self deprecating comment - meaning he was attempting to make a joke at his own expense"

Those are your posts, not mine. So using your argument, is it acceptable for me to use the n-word as part of a self-deprecating argument?

You backed yourself into a corner from which there is no escape.

It is not believable to me that you believe Trump did not make fun of the reporter by imitating and mocking his movements - whether they were as a result of a physical or some type of mental disability. And for that reason, I think you have no credibility (and TDS).

How low we have fallen that this would even be a subject - but with Trump nothing is too low.

Paul, the reporter was not capable of making those movements. His disability prevented him from even being capable of making those movements. The reporter did not make those movements. It was physically impossible to make those movements that Trump did. There is no video showing the reporter making those movements. The only similarity of Trump's movements to those of the reporter were a mini-second freeze of Trump's moves at that exact point where his hand was in the position that the Reporter's hand is pretty much frozen by his disability. All the gyrations that Trump made were not possible for the reporter to do.

Those "spastic" movements that Trump made were also similarly made by him when talking about Ted Cruze and a military general. He was not imitating the reporter, not making fun or "mocking" him for imitating movements the reporter was not even capable of making.

See these articles: https://www.foxnews.com/politics/did-trump-really-mock-reporters-disability-videos-could-back-him-up
https://canadafreepress.com/article/proof-trump-never-mocked-a-disabled-reporter

As you say, we have fallen this low to even making this a subject. We have been led this low by politically and emotionally motivated false representation of what happened. You have been duped by fake news.

"Feel free to make that argument. Most people would disagree"

It was your argument. Not mine

Now you're saying it wasn't you, who said that it was OK to use hate speech as long as you are poking fun at yourself. You didn't say that, to defend Obama's making fun of Special Olympians?

"it was a self-deprecating comment "

"As you were told, it was a self deprecating comment - meaning he was attempting to make a joke at his own expense"

Those are your posts, not mine. So using your argument, is it acceptable for me to use the n-word as part of a self-deprecating argument?

You backed yourself into a corner from which there is no escape.

I didn't back myself into any corner bc most people don't view talking about special Olympics and bowling and using the N word and dancing as the same. Next time you are out to eat say you bowl like a special olympian and then say you dance like a N. Do you think you will get the same reaction?

Paul, the reporter was not capable of making those movements. His disability prevented him from even being capable of making those movements. The reporter did not make those movements. It was physically impossible to make those movements that Trump did. There is no video showing the reporter making those movements. The only similarity of Trump's movements to those of the reporter were a mini-second freeze of Trump's moves at that exact point where his hand was in the position that the Reporter's hand is pretty much frozen by his disability. All the gyrations that Trump made were not possible for the reporter to do.

Those "spastic" movements that Trump made were also similarly made by him when talking about Ted Cruze and a military general. He was not imitating the reporter, not making fun or "mocking" him for imitating movements the reporter was not even capable of making.They weren't the same movements.

See these articles:
https://www.catholics4trump.com/the-...rs-disability/

https://canadafreepress.com/article/...abled-reporter

https://townhall.com/columnists/annc...orter-n2212715

As you say, we have fallen this low to even making this a subject. We have been led this low by politically and emotionally motivated false representation of what happened. You have been duped by fake news.

You have been duped, not me. If you believe that Trump just happened coincidentally made those movements while discussing that reporter, you're so filled with hate that you can't emotionally think straight.

You have been duped, not me. If you believe that Trump just happened coincidentally made those movements while discussing that reporter, you're so filled with hate that you can't emotionally think straight.

You say that they weren't the "same" movements as those he used in other instances. If you mean exactly the same, of course, it would not be possible to make exactly the same movement years apart, without rehearsal. But they were very similar. Especially with those he made when talking about Ted Cruz.

But if you're going to go the route of they're not the same, then that would apply to showing the reporter making exactly the same movements. Can you do that? Show where the reporter made exactly those same movements. I don't believe his disability would make its possible to even come close to making the same movements Trump made, not to mention exactly the same. Did the reporter make those movements? Why are you assuming that he made those movements that you claim Trump imitated?

Was Trump, "coincidentally" as you put it, mocking Cruz's movements or the General's? Was it a "coincidence" that the movements were all similar to each other? Or was Trump mocking, not physical movements, but a generic physical representation of frustrated inability to explain some contradiction--as in the reporter's attempt to cover for what he had previously reported.

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Will you two Chowdah Heads give it a rest please
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No #^&#^&#^&#^&. Takes all the fun out of political discussion. We used to have some good on the rails discussion back in the day....
That's why I am :hidin:

I didn't back myself into any corner bc most people don't view talking about special Olympics and bowling and using the N word and dancing as the same. Next time you are out to eat say you bowl like a special olympian and then say you dance like a N. Do you think you will get the same reaction?


"talking about special Olympics "

And in what way did he "talk about" Special Olympics? Did he talk about what a great organization it is? Did he talk about how capable the athletes are? Or did he make fun of the limitations that accompany their disability?

You're right, making fun of blacks and making fun of Special Olympians isn't the same. What Obama did is worse, because skin color isn't a disability.

Try that with your friends at dinner and see the reaction.