to document her experience with Biden, in a piece that will be in the New Yorker. Ronan Farrow has as much credibility on this issue, as anyone, having broke the Weinstein story that no one wanted him to report. If he thought liberals made THAT story difficult, he might want to hire someone to start his car for him in the mornings when this comes out...

It's beginning to look a lot like Christmas,...

Hard to believe Russia is involved
One of the attorneys working with Tara Reade is Bill Moran, a former employee of Sputnik, the Russian government’s English-language propaganda arm
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Hard to believe Russia is involved
One of the attorneys working with Tara Reade is Bill Moran, a former employee of Sputnik, the Russian government’s English-language propaganda arm
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which means “russia” is involved? Reade and Farrow are democrats.
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One of Tara Reade's new attorneys donated $55,000 to Trump in 2016. The other is a former writer and editor for a Russian propaganda network.

“Wigdor has been a supporter of Trump and provided about $55,000 in campaign contributions in 2016.” Moran “wrote and edited for Sputnik, a news agency founded and supported by the Russian state-owned media company Rossiya Segodnya.”

The lawyer’s name is Douglas Wigdor. Here’s his track record:

1. He is best well known for representing 6 of Harvey Weinstein’s sexual assault accusers.

2. He represented 20 Fox News employees on a gender and racial discrimination settlement.

I believe her
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“Wigdor has been a supporter of Trump and provided about $55,000 in campaign contributions in 2016.” Moran “wrote and edited for Sputnik, a news agency founded and supported by the Russian state-owned media company Rossiya Segodnya.”

oh good...now perpetually wrong pete is spreading russian propoganda

pete, before you humiliate yourself trying to imply that the russian government is behind this ( where have we herd that bullsh*t before), tell me what role this attorney is playing on reades team, and what connection he had today with russian officials?

does russian have anything to do with whether or not she’s telling the truth?

another question, do you care at all if she’s telling the truth? if video surfaced of biden assaulting her, would you do anything differently between. ow and november?

you call us trumplicans. you accuse us of being unable to fairly criticize trump when he deserves it. is that any different than what you do with biden?
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Blow all the smoke you want.

Where’s Trump*s DNA sample?
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pete is a Russian bot...it's pretty obvious

Blow all the smoke you want.

Where’s Trump*s DNA sample?
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that’s your response
to my questions - blow smoke.

Pete, what does it say about the flimsiness of your positions, that you are literally unable to respond directly to such simple questions? what do you think that says about the validity of your positions, that you can’t offer a syllable of response to defend them? it means you haven’t thought about why you believe things. you just know that it’s your job as a lemming to unquestionably believe them.
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Orange man bad

Orange man bad

pete, you ask me a direct question, i can give you a direct answer. because i consider both sides before i decide where i stand.

you can’t begin to answer a question so obvious that i child would know to ask it.
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Biden could shoot someone on park ave and no one would care.....;)
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The lawyer’s name is Douglas Wigdor. Here’s his track record:

1. He is best well known for representing 6 of Harvey Weinstein’s sexual assault accusers.

2. He represented 20 Fox News employees on a gender and racial discrimination settlement.

So you are saying something is fishy, because Tara Reade retained the services of someone who has prior experience handling assault claims against a wealthy and powerful men? She should have just retained some kid who just graduated from law school yesterday?

You are surprised that she would choose to hire someone with that experience?

That's some fine logic there.

Tara Reade has a PATTERN of being a disturbed attention searching swindler.

Biden has a PATTERN of being a good moral decent loving man.

That’s all I need to see.

Especially when the choice is not just a bad man. He is an avatar for iniquity and immorality and selfishness. He runs the table on the seven deadly sins and demonstrates not a trace of any of the four cardinal virtues. He possesses not a single character trait that you would want your child to fully emulate. He cares about nothing and no one besides himself.

Biden could shoot someone on park ave and no one would care.....;)
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His supporters wouldn't care.

Trump should never have used that stupid line, but it's true, and it's not unique to Trump. I haven't seen a single liberal here, apply the Kavanaugh standard to Biden. Some well-known democrats have said they believe Tara Reade, but they are voting for Biden anyway, because his winning is more important than Tara Reade's claim.

So it's OK when democrats plug their nose and vote for the deeply flawed guy whose policies they like. But when the right does it, that's different? Why?

Tara Reade has a PATTERN of being a disturbed attention searching swindler.

Biden has a PATTERN of being a good moral decent loving man.

That’s all I need to see.

Especially when the choice is not just a bad man. He is an avatar for iniquity and immorality and selfishness. He runs the table on the seven deadly sins and demonstrates not a trace of any of the four cardinal virtues. He possesses not a single character trait that you would want your child to fully emulate. He cares about nothing and no one besides himself.

"Biden has a PATTERN of being a good moral decent loving man. "

Wow, a pattern. Not just a pattern, but a PATTERN.

Tell that to Clarence Thomas and Robert Bork.

When Biden told blacks that "Republicans want to put y'all back in chains", that was such a good, moral, decent thing to say.

I can do this all day, Pete. All day.

What was the evidence that Kavanaugh wasn't a decent man, until he found himself being a political adversary of the democrats? Have fun with THAT one.

Jimmy Carter is also a decent, moral man. But he was a disaster as a president. As my executive, I'd rather have a jerk who gets the job done right, than a truly nice guy who can't do anything right. It's a results versus style argument. which is fine, as long as we can be honest. I can be perfectly honest about Trumps style. You can't show a speck of honesty about his results.

You're not holding any cards here. Not even a pair of 6's.

Orangeman bad

The badness is enough. The badness is so bad that it’s all that really matters in our politics right now.

Orangeman bad

The badness is enough. The badness is so bad that it’s all that really matters in our politics right now.

telling a roomful of blacks, that "Republicans want to put y'all back in chains". Was that a good, moral, decent thing to say? Mitt Romney wants to go back to the plantation days?

Go ahead and explain that. Let's just stick to that.

The badness is so bad that it’s all that really matters in our politics right now.

Ahhh...So when YOU want to win badly enough, the personal behavior of your candidate doesn't matter. But it's never OK for conservatives to do the same thing.

That's what you just said, that only Trumps behavior matters.

Between the Reade assault charge and Biden's clear onset of senility, your best hope is getting Biden to step down and putting Michelle Obama in his place. I don't think Trump would have a chance against her.

Maybe it wasn’t a good idea to let the smallest, most ignorant, venal, racist, drug addicted sexual predator this country has ever produced be POTUS, I’ll never forgive Putin for installing him.

Now they’re gonna keep sending the Kayleigh McEnany’s to lie to us, they’re gonna block the Fauci’s, they’re gonna steal as much as they can until November and either leave us in a pile of ashes or continue the grift. Either way it’s a criminal abuse of democracy.

I’m old enough to remember when Trump* took out a full page ad in the New York Times to call for the public execution of five black children who were falsely accused of attacking a white jogger in Central Park.

And all you need to know about America in 2020, is that Trump* won’t speak out or condemn, the lynching of a black man in broad daylight, because he fears it would anger his base.

If a 25 year-old white jogger had been murdered by two black men on Feb. 23 in the State of Georgia, they would already be on death row and Trump* would be using them as an example of what his base should fear at the next MAGA rally.

Maybe it wasn’t a good idea to let the smallest, most ignorant, venal, racist, drug addicted sexual predator this country has ever produced be POTUS.

Then maybe Hilary should have lowered herself to set foot in places like Wisconsin. Maybe she shouldn't have said that people who disagree with her are deplorable. Did Russia make her say that? Did Russia prevent her from campaigning in swing states?

I’m old enough to remember when Trump* took out a full page ad in the New York Times to call for the public execution of five black children who were falsely accused of attacking a white jogger in Central Park.



That is a false statement. He did not call for the execution of five black children. Post the ad.

That is a false statement. He did not call for the execution of five black children. Post the ad.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YkBBNU8c-xU

it keeps getting worse for sleepy joe

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YkBBNU8c-xU

You did not post the full article. Where in the ad did Trump ask for the death penalty of the Central Park Five? He did not do so. His ad was speaking about the total crime situation in NY City at the time, not just the Five. And the crime situation there at the time was horrific. And it was about the police being overly restricted and the justice system being overly psychoanalytic and lenient. His call for the death penalty was for murderers (who were given prison sentences rather than execution), not for the Central Park Five.

It is that fake news trick to "interpret" or portray or characterize what is said by Trump in a negative way as has so often been exposed on this forum. And it is a very effective trick as you're being duped by it shows.

it keeps getting worse for sleepy joe

If the economy makes any kind of a comeback between now and then, and is seen as having momentum, Biden is in a tough spot.

People forget what a terrible campaigner he is. And that was when he was playing with a full deck.

I hope he hangs in there till the bitter end

I hope he hangs in there till the bitter end

Me too. And man is it going to be bitter on all sides. But I'm warming up to our chances against Biden. Thank God it's not Michelle Obama.

The founder of POLITICO wrote this in the New York Times, about the investigation into whether or not Biden assaulted Reade...

“I don’t want justice, whatever that may be. I want a win, the removal of Donald Trump from office, and Mr. Biden is our best chance.”

So, where is Trump*s DNA sample at?
And let a few people out of NDA's.
Let's see what's in Pecker's safe.
What NYC Real Estate developer had active brothels in his buildings and was known to tape their customers surreptitiously for later use in blackmail schemes?
And you wonder why Trump* and Epstein were such buddies

So, where is Trump*s DNA sample at?
And let a few people out of NDA's.
Let's see what's in Pecker's safe.
What NYC Real Estate developer had active brothels in his buildings and was known to tape their customers surreptitiously for later use in blackmail schemes?
And you wonder why Trump* and Epstein were such buddies

So, were you lying when you made the false statement that Trump "took out a full page ad in the New York Times to call for the public execution of five black children"?

Donald Trump called for the death penalty to be applied to the Central Park Five

https://static01.nyt.com/images/2019/06/18/nyregion/18nytrump1/18nytrump1-articleLarge.jpg?quality=75&auto=webp&disable=upscale

https://static01.nyt.com/images/2019/06/18/nyregion/18nytrump1/18nytrump1-articleLarge.jpg?quality=75&auto=webp&disable=upscale

To be fair it doesn't say 'execute the central park five' but he conveniently it ran during or before the trial (I can't recall which)....

To be fair it doesn't say 'execute the central park five' but he conveniently it ran during or before the trial (I can't recall which)....

No, he is a sloppy talker and writer. While it doesn't say bring back the death penalty, he mentions the park (and given the timing) any reasonable person would assume that is what he meant.

I can't read Trumps letter for some reason. Is he saying that these kids should have been executed? Or whoever was guilty? Either way, better to shut up.

But again, it was all right for Obama to bash cops every singe time anyone got hurt, which maybe by coincidence, he did just before a series of random attacks and assassinations of police took place ("uh, I don't know what happened, but uh, the Cambridge police aced stupidly"). One standard for Obama, another for trump. Because range man bad.

No, he is a sloppy talker and writer. While it doesn't say bring back the death penalty, he mentions the park (and given the timing) any reasonable person would assume that is what he meant.

There is no need to "assume" what he meant. In the ad, he SPECIFICALLY tied the death penalty to murder. For all other serious crimes that they should be punished and made to suffer.

As in, "I want to hate these muggers and murderers, and when they kill, they should be executed for their crimes." Or as in, "Those who would murder our citizens and terrorize New York--bring back the death penalty." (Their is no comma between "citizens" and "and terrorize" so "terrorize" was a result of "murder[ing] our citizens".)

So, he clearly wanted the death penalty to apply to murder. He did not like that murder should be penalized merely with imprisonment. And the other criminals who were at that time (this was just before Giuliani cleaned up the horrific crime problem NY was having) should be made to suffer (not given the death penalty).

And there was no nod toward racism, he said that the New Yorkers who were suffering from the widespread crime in the city at the time were White, Black, Hispanic, and Asian. And did not claim or hint that the criminals were all non-White. The Central Park Five were only a part of the whole, horrific, criminal predation of the city. And they were not convicted of murder. So they would not be his targets for the death penalty.

The claim that he asked for the death penalty for the Five is not found in the ad, nor is it implied. And the ad was not, in the main, merely about the Five. It was about what was happening in the city. The Five, whom he never specifically mentioned, were just part of the problem. The whole situation is what the ad was about, and the death penalty, in the ad, was specifically for murderers.

Way after that event and that ad, there is this attempt to characterize it as racist and calling for the death penalty for five innocent black children (at the time they were convicted, not innocent). Any "reasonable" reading of the ad would not find a claim that Trump called for the death penalty for the Five. Not only that, but he was being very clear in what he was talking about and to whom he was referring. If he had wanted to call for the execution of the Five, he could easily had said so. He was speaking about the overall, terrible crime that was gripping his city at that time. And he lamented that the police were not allowed to pursue crime as they should be, and that the death penalty would be the more proper and effective remedy for murder.

But the claim that he is a racist who wanted to execute five innocent black children is not about being reasonable. It is the typical, incessant, attempt to twist, interpret, conjecture, insinuate, characterize what Trump says and does into proving that Orange Man Bad. And as for him being a sloppy talker and writer, that is true about how he speaks. But writing is not extemporaneous, unscripted speech. His ad was not sloppy, was well and clearly written.

Flynn admitted his guilt also

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3oCy9K36cjU

Flynn admitted his guilt also

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3oCy9K36cjU

What's this got to do with your false claim that Trump wanted to have the five executed?

Flynn admitted his guilt also

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3oCy9K36cjU

That doesn't matter. If the FBI violated his rights along the way, his guilt doesn't matter. This is the first time you've ever heard of someone getting off because the government made a mistake?

I guess this is going too fast for you, sorry.

I would suggest that if you get arrested, you not use as a defense that the officer made you lie.
But you can try it, it does seem to work for Trump* courtiers.

Flynn admitted his guilt also

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3oCy9K36cjU

What's this got to do with your false claim that Trump wanted to have the five executed?

He still does and his comment about them pleading guilty is very interesting when you look at it along with current events in the Flynn case.

He still does and his comment about them pleading guilty is very interesting when you look at it along with current events in the Flynn case.

Well, he didn't in the ad where you claim he did. But is there something other than the ad where he does? I'd like to just take your word for it, but . . . I don't know . . . your track record of misrepresentation just doesn't give me confidence. Please show something where he says that the Central Park Five should get the death penalty. Preciate it . . . thanks in advance.

He still does and his comment about them pleading guilty is very interesting when you look at it along with current events in the Flynn case.

Agreed I was just going to come back and say that.


Since then, he has repeatedly reiterated the guilty verdict of the men, even though their convictions were vacated. “They admitted they were guilty,” the then-candidate said in a CNN interview the month before the 2016 election. “The police doing the original investigation say they were guilty. The fact that that case was settled with so much evidence against them is outrageous. And the woman, so badly injured, will never be the same.”
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Agreed I was just going to come back and say that.

Since then, he has repeatedly reiterated the guilty verdict of the men, even though their convictions were vacated. “They admitted they were guilty,” the then-candidate said in a CNN interview the month before the 2016 election. “The police doing the original investigation say they were guilty. The fact that that case was settled with so much evidence against them is outrageous. And the woman, so badly injured, will never be the same.”


Pete F's false statement was That Trump put an ad in the NYT to "call for the public execution of five black children". There was no such call, nor even a hint of it in that ad. He clearly, specifically, demonstrably said that the death penalty should be applied to murderers. The only time the death penalty or executing criminals was mentioned in the ad was in regard to those who kill or murder. He never even hinted that it should be applied to the crimes that the Central Park Five were convicted of.

I challenge you to point out where in his ad he said that the Five should be executed. It is a very serious charge to say that he made such a call. I have no doubt that you cannot find such a thing being said by Trump in that ad.

And now you blithely change the subject by saying that "Since then, he has repeatedly reiterated the guilty verdict of the men"--that is not the point. The point is, Pete F made a false statement that Trump called for their execution. And he claims that he still is saying that.

You have several times asked for a link when someone asserted something you questioned. Please show a link where Trump is asserting that the Five should be executed. And please show where in the original ad Trump said that they should be executed.

is it a wonder I and others ignore you
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is it a wonder I and others ignore you
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In other words, you cannot show anywhere that Trump called for the execution of the Central Park Five. Something like that should not be hard to find. It's a helluva thing to accuse someone of without a scintilla of evidence that he's said such a thing.

Yet, I'm the one that should be ignored.

is it a wonder I and others ignore you
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because you don’t like being humiliated.
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In other words, you cannot show anywhere that Trump called for the execution of the Central Park Five. Something like that should not be hard to find. It's a helluva thing to accuse someone of without a scintilla of evidence that he's said such a thing.

Yet, I'm the one that should be ignored.

they can’t show it, and god knows they won’t admit as much. again, when you are enslaved to your ideology, you reflexively defend the ideology even when the evidence doesn’t support doing so. they really don’t like being called on it.
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In other words, you cannot show anywhere that Trump called for the execution of the Central Park Five. Something like that should not be hard to find. It's a helluva thing to accuse someone of without a scintilla of evidence that he's said such a thing.

Yet, I'm the one that should be ignored.

post a copy of the ad up and people can talk about it.

The Reason I ignore you is I find you extremely boring. I haven't the word blithely used since I watched on the waterfront.
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post a copy of the ad up and people can talk about it.

The Reason I ignore you is I find you extremely boring. I haven't the word blithely used since I watched on the waterfront.
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You already posted a copy of the ad. And you can't point out anywhere in the ad where Trump said that the Five should be executed.

because you don’t like being humiliated.
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You're always quick with an insult and that is why I think you're a #^&#^&#^&#^&. And while I find you a #^&#^&#^&#^& I find him extremely boring and his style of posting boring. I think one time I said that if I was ever introduced to him at a party I probably would walk away in about 30 seconds after saying nice to meet you but I have to go get a beer.
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You already posted a copy of the ad. And you can't point out anywhere in the ad where Trump said that the Five should be executed.

I can't read it so post it up. And where exactly did I say he said they should be executed? What I said is the ad is written sloppily and people will assume that's what he meant.
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You're always quick with an insult and that is why I think you're a #^&#^&#^&#^&. And while I find you a #^&#^&#^&#^& I find him extremely boring and his style of posting boring. I think one time I said that if I was ever introduced to him at a party I probably would walk away in about 30 seconds after saying nice to meet you but I have to go get a beer.
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you posted the ad, detbuch asked where the ad said what you guys claimed it said, and instead of saying “it doesn’t say that, you’re right”, you insulted him. very mature.
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You're always quick with an insult and that is why I think you're a #^&#^&#^&#^&. And while I find you a #^&#^&#^&#^& I find him extremely boring and his style of posting boring. I think one time I said that if I was ever introduced to him at a party I probably would walk away in about 30 seconds after saying nice to meet you but I have to go get a beer.
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when someone who still
uses the word “retard” thinks i'm a jerk, i take it as a compliment. it’s when you’re over the target that you take the most flak.

how about either pointing to where the ad says what was claimed, or just admit it doesn’t. i don’t see what’s so hard about that.
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when someone who still
uses the word “retard” thinks i'm a jerk, i take it as a compliment. it’s when you’re over the target that you take the most flak.

how about either pointing to where the ad says what was claimed, or just admit it doesn’t. i don’t see what’s so hard about that.
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I told you numerous times I used the word spazz and retard to make fun of you trumplicans who had no problem with Trump up there mimicking a person with a disability. Did you not understand that the first three times I told you? Didn't you also say that you couldn't read the ad?
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I told you numerous times I use the word spasm and retard to make fun of you trumplicans who had no problem with Trump up there mimicking a person with a disability. Did you not understand that the first three times I told you? Didn't you also say that you couldn't read the ad
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even though by your own admission, trump
never said it, nor is there any evidence he ever made fun of such a person. there is irrefutable evidence obama has made fun of them, but you don’t care.

so you use a hateful term, to blame trump for doing something he’s never done, but which obama has done.

brilliant. simply brilliant. where’d they find you, Scotland Yard?
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even though by your own admission, trump
never said it, nor is there any evidence he ever made fun of such a person. there is irrefutable evidence obama has made fun of them, but you don’t care.

so you use a hateful term, to blame trump for doing something he’s never done, but which obama has done.

brilliant. simply brilliant. where’d they find you, Scotland Yard?
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He most certainly made fun of the reporter if you want to deny it feel free to. It just shows what a deranged person you are. Any reasonable person knows that's exactly what he was doing. Why don't you just go back and read the post and that other thread and instead of regurgitating all the garbage you said previously.
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my phone now
let’s me see the ad. detbuch is right. it doesn’t say what it was alleged to say.
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He most certainly made fun of the reporter if you want to deny it feel free to. It just shows what a deranged person you are. Any reasonable person knows that's exactly what he was doing. Why don't you just go back and reread that other thread and instead of regurgitating all the garbage you said previously.
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and that reporter didn’t have Downs. so why the word “retard”?
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and that reporter didn’t have Downs. so why the word “retard”?
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I don't know what he had so I care less. I know he had a disability. If that makes you feel better that he didn't have Downs knock yourself out. But the bottom line is he was mocking someone with a disability he knew the person had a disability yet did it. And that is the classy guy that you are on here defending day in and day out repeatedly. I guess that's a reflection of you
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my phone now
let’s me see the ad. detbuch is right. it doesn’t say what it was alleged to say.
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Then when asked about it why doesn't he say I never said that the five kids should be executed?
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I don't know what he had so I care less. I know he had a disability. If that makes you feel better that he didn't have Downs knock yourself out. But the bottom line is he was mocking someone with a disability he knew the person had a disability yet did it. And that is the classy guy that you are on here defending day in and day out repeatedly. I guess that's a reflection of you
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He wasn't mocking the reporter's disability. He was mocking the reporter for, what he considered, backtracking on what he had earlier said.

I don't know what he had so I care less. I know he had a disability. If that makes you feel better that he didn't have Downs knock yourself out. But the bottom line is he was mocking someone with a disability he knew the person had a disability yet did it. And that is the classy guy that you are on here defending day in and day out repeatedly. I guess that's a reflection of you
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if you don’t know what he had, why use the word “retard”? do you feel everyone who isn’t perfect, is a “retard”?

this gets better and better. man oh man.
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I can't read it so post it up. And where exactly did I say he said they should be executed? What I said is the ad is written sloppily and people will assume that's what he meant.


If you couldn't read it, how could you tell what was in it?

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND
"To be fair it doesn't say 'execute the central park five' but he conveniently it ran during or before the trial (I can't recall which)...."


PaulS: "No, he is a sloppy talker and writer. While it doesn't say bring back the death penalty, he mentions the park (and given the timing) any reasonable person would assume that is what he meant."

Originally Posted by Pete F.
"He still does [claim that Trump called for the Five to be executed] and his comment about them pleading guilty is very interesting when you look at it along with current events in the Flynn case."

PaulS: "Agreed I was just going to come back and say that."

No, you didn't "exactly" say that Trump called for the Five to be executed. And I'm not going to weasel word claim that "any reasonable person would assume that is what [you] meant." Nor, BTW, did Trump "exactly" say that. As a matter of fact, he specifically said that murderers should be executed--not that the Five should. The Five did not murder the biker, nor did he did claim that they did. The ad was mostly not about the Five, nor did he "exactly" even refer to them.

So my quibble is not really with you. It is with what Pete F claimed. And you did seem to back him up. If you do not "exactly" agree with Pete F, that's fine with me. If I am mistaken that you think Trump called for the Central Park Five to be executed, then I apologize for misunderstanding you. But if you think Pete F is right, that Trump did call for that, then I retract my apology and request that you back it up by pointing out where he "exactly" said (or even implied that he said) that the Five should be executed.

if you don’t know what he had, why use the word “retard”? do you feel everyone who isn’t perfect, is a “retard”?

this gets better and better. man oh man.
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man oh man this gets better and better. Did you not read post 60? Somehow you didn't read it but you quoted it. Edit so post 60 was the fourth time I've told you the same thing and still for some reason it doesn't register.

And I have no problem with anyone who's not perfect. But let's remember that the Republicans are constantly talking about makers and takers so you have to assume that if someone is not perfect they probably don't contribute as much as the makers in this world and the Republicans consider them "takers" and therefore look down on them.
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If you couldn't read it, how could you tell what was in it?

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND
"To be fair it doesn't say 'execute the central park five' but he conveniently it ran during or before the trial (I can't recall which)...."


PaulS: "No, he is a sloppy talker and writer. While it doesn't say bring back the death penalty, he mentions the park (and given the timing) any reasonable person would assume that is what he meant."

Originally Posted by Pete F.
"He still does [claim that Trump called for the Five to be executed] and his comment about them pleading guilty is very interesting when you look at it along with current events in the Flynn case."

PaulS: "Agreed I was just going to come back and say that."

No, you didn't "exactly" say that Trump called for the Five to be executed. And I'm not going to weasel word claim that "any reasonable person would assume that is what [you] meant." Nor, BTW, did Trump "exactly" say that. As a matter of fact, he specifically said that murderers should be executed--not that the Five should. The Five did not murder the biker, nor did he did claim that they did. The ad was mostly not about the Five, nor did he "exactly" even refer to them.

So my quibble is not really with you. It is with what Pete F claimed. And you did seem to back him up. If you do not "exactly" agree with Pete F, that's fine with me. If I am mistaken that you think Trump called for the Central Park Five to be executed, then I apologize for misunderstanding you. But if you think Pete F is right, that Trump did call for that, then I retract my apology and request that you back it up by pointing out where he "exactly" said (or even implied that he said) that the Five should be executed.

a trouncing. an absolute trouncing.
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man oh man this gets better and better. Did you not read post 60? Somehow you didn't read it but you quoted it. Edit so post 60 was the fourth time I've told you the same thing and still for some reason it doesn't register.

And I have no problem with anyone who's not perfect. But let's remember that the Republicans are constantly talking about makers and takers so you have to assume that if someone is not perfect they probably don't contribute as much as the makers in this world and the Republicans consider them "takers" and therefore look down on them.
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and yet, conservatives donate
more time to charity than liberals.

republicans look down on them...

how many times have you called
me out for making generalizations?

and we don’t look down on people
who need help. we look down on people who could be self sufficient but choose to be takers.

you’re having a rough couple of days.
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a trouncing. an absolute trouncing.
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As I said earlier this is exactly why I think you're a #^&#^&#^&#^&.
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As I said earlier this is exactly why I think you're a #^&#^&#^&#^&.
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you claimed that detbuch was unfairly claiming you said trump
wanted the kids executed. then he very clearly pointed out that you said exactly that more than once.

if that’s not a trouncing, nothing is.
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As I said earlier this is exactly why I think you're a #^&#^&#^&#^&.
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keep this up and you won't have any friends left

and yet, conservatives donate
more time to charity than liberals.

republicans look down on them...

how many times have you called
me out for making generalizations?

and we don’t look down on people
who need help. we look down on people who could be self sufficient but choose to be takers.

you’re having a rough couple of days.
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You change your argument from more money to time. But it's the same answer they donate the time to churches. So when my church wanted to make a small Chapel out of what was the garage and I helped demo it that would go towards donating time to a charity which in effect nobody else is going to use other than the parishioners.

I've heard it numerous times about makers and takers here and elsewhere but you're right it was a generalization I shouldn't have made. It doesn't change the fact that they look down on people who don't contribute as much as others.

I'm not having a rough time bc I think it's hilarious how you're so deranged that you spend day after day, night after night, week day, weekends defending Donald Trump. No matter how incompetent he is, no matter what he does, how stupid his statements. you will defend him
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keep this up and you won't have any friends left

Do you have any here? Because I noticed that snarky people are originally looked at as funny and then after a while people just start to ignore them
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You change your argument from more money to time. But it's the same answer they donate the time to churches. So when my church wanted to make a small Chapel out of what was the garage and I helped demo it that would go towards donating time to a charity which in effect nobody else is going to use other than the parishioners.

I've heard it numerous times about makers and takers here and elsewhere but you're right it was a generalization I shouldn't have made. It doesn't change the fact that they look down on people who don't contribute as much as others.

I'm not having a rough time bc I think it's hilarious how you're so deranged that you spend day after day, night after night, week day, weekends defending Donald Trump. No matter how incompetent he is, no matter what he does, how stupid his statements. you will defend him
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not changing anything, you know the study showed that conservatives donate more money, more time, and more blood, than liberals.

you dismiss the money due to religion. why do they donate more time?
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not changing anything, you know the study showed that conservatives donate more money, more time, and more blood, than liberals.

you dismiss the money due to religion. why do they donate more time?
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Go back and re-read what you just quoted
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paul, your hatred of Trump has you using the word “retard” to describe everyone who has anything wrong with them. i say that’s indicative of having a very rough time. you disagree, you don’t think it’s a sign of anything.

and i’m the #^&#^&#^&#^& for suggesting you not throw that term around. but you know better.
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paul, your hatred of Trump has you using the word “retard” to describe everyone who has anything wrong with them. i say that’s indicative of having a very rough time. you disagree, you don’t think it’s a sign of anything.

and i’m the #^&#^&#^&#^& for suggesting you not throw that term around. but you know better.
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For the fifth time go back and re-read post 60. And you're a #^&#^&#^&#^& for the constant insults you throw around here.
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For the fifth time go back and re-read post 60. And you're a #^&#^&#^&#^& for the constant insults you throw around here.
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i read it . but by your own admissions, you have zero evidence he ever made fun of such a person. i less you view all disabled people as “retards”, which is, well, have fun with that professor.
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i read it . but by your own admissions, you have zero evidence he ever made fun of such a person. i less you view all disabled people as “retards”, which is, well, have fun with that professor.
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He most certainly mocked the reporter whom he knew had a disability. And to prove, it just before he mocked him he said something like you should see this guy and then he went into his classless act. Not sure what you meant there but no I do not View disabled people as retards. go reread post 60 why I used those specific words.

I think it is pathetic that you try to defend Trump over this but your derangement has no end.
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He most certainly mocked the reporter whom he knew had a disability. And to prove, it just before he mocked him he said something like you should see this guy and then he went into his classless act. Not sure what you meant there but no I do not View disabled people as retards. go reread post 60 why I used those specific words.

I think it is pathetic that you try to defend Trump over this but your derangement has no end.


Trump claimed that he was mocking what he considered a frustrated journalist trying to explain away what he had previously written. His movements certainly were not an imitation of the reporter's disability, since that disability wouldn't have enabled the reporter to make those movements--movements that were similar to movements when he mocked others who were not disabled, and very similar to when he mocked Ted Cruz.

Not sure what you meant there but no I do not View disabled people as retards. go reread post 60 why I used those specific words.

I
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but then you admitted you had no idea what this guys disability was.

you do t even know what you’re saying, you’re all over the place trying to attack trump.

you say trump was making fun of this reporter, but detbuch asked you 5 times to show some proof that the reporter moved the way trump did when mocking him. you never responded. gee i wonder why? i can’t think of any reason , can you?
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but then you admitted you had no idea what this guys disability was.

you do t even know what you’re saying, you’re all over the place trying to attack trump.

you say trump was making fun of this reporter, but detbuch asked you 5 times to show some proof that the reporter moved the way trump did when mocking him. you never responded. gee i wonder why? i can’t think of any reason , can you?
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No I don't know what his disability was, just that he had a disability. I did read one article that said the way he was mocking the reporter was different than the way he later mocked Cruz. But I'm not going to waste my time trying to do a side-by-side analysis of trump mocking people because it's obvious he mocked the reporter even though later he claimed he didn't know him. He knew who he was, he met with him previously, he knew he had a disability and just before mocking him he said you should see this guy. And you're so deranged that you continue to try to defend Trump. Pathetic
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I just assume that Jim and Dapussy would be ecstatic if their children, assuming they are capable of producing any, would turn out like the Citrus Caligula, his followers and their spawn.
We really need a country full of Trumps, Nunes and Jordan’s.
What a future
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No I don't know what his disability was, just that he had a disability. I did read one article that said the way he was mocking the reporter was different than the way he later mocked Cruz. But I'm not going to waste my time trying to do a side-by-side analysis of trump mocking people because it's obvious he mocked the reporter even though later he claimed he didn't know him. He knew who he was, he met with him previously, he knew he had a disability and just before mocking him he said you should see this guy. And you're so deranged that you continue to try to defend Trump. Pathetic
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It's not about defending Trump, it's about sifting the germ of truth from the chaff of political spin. It would be valid enough to say that Trump was mocking the reporter. It can be argued whether that was proper or not. Maybe he deserved it maybe not. Trump even admitted he did. But to try to make it something worse than it might have been by seizing the opportunity to assume it was an insensitive, even sociopathic mocking of someone's disability simply because the reporter was disabled is worse than pathetic. It's a sociopathic disregard both of the disability as well as of the truth in order to gain some kind of power, to destroy someone for political gain.

Then when asked about it why doesn't he say I never said that the five kids should be executed?
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It is obvious that would have no effect other than extending the ridiculous conversation. It is obvious that he didn't say it. It is obvious that a spin was concocted to damage Trump. It is obvious, as is being demonstrated here, that denying what is obviously untrue would not change the contrived narrative that he said they should be executed, because the narrative was not meant to be the truth. It was meant to damage Trump--so it will not be abandoned.

Denying it would just be called another Trump "lie." Better to just shrug it off and move on.

And you still cannot show that trump said the Five should be executed because he didn't say it. Pete F made the accusation. The burden of proof rests on Pete, and on you if you want to keep extending the narrative.

because you don’t like being humiliated.
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He humiliates himself.
How the heck do you respond to somebody that you claim to be ignoring?
Not a smart person and he constantly flaunts it.
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Do you have any here? Because I noticed that snarky people are originally looked at as funny and then after a while people just start to ignore them
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you are constantly fighting with anyone who even slightly disagrees with you and calling them names...try a little self reflection and count to 10 before lashing out, don't always feel like to have to get the last word...it's not life or death, most of it is actually pretty funny

I just assume that Jim and Dapussy would be ecstatic if their children, assuming they are capable of producing any, would turn out like the Citrus Caligula, his followers and their spawn.
We really need a country full of Trumps, Nunes and Jordan’s.
What a future
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if dapussy is my wife, she graduated cum laude with a degree in math from Union College and was a varsity athlete. She left a great actuarial career to stay home with our three boys, who are all taught that while trumps policies are superior to Hilary’s, his personal behavior is far from what’s tolerable, they are all fine, do well in school and all are into martial arts and baseball and basketball and cub scouts and fishing and camping. all is well here. Paul would probably call one of my kids a “retard” but that says more about him than it does us. likewise, that the best you can do is insult my mother and my wife, tells us that even you realize you can’t defend your asinine positions here. the irony is, you’re doing what trump would do. you claim that i endorse his personal behavior, when clearly it’s you who feels justified in insulting those with whom you disagree in this manner. kind of funny when you look at it that way.

you’re the only one here who is as pitiful as he is.
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pete really needs to get back on his meds

pete really needs to get back on his meds

what are any of these guys going to do, if trump gets re elected?
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you are constantly fighting with anyone who even slightly disagrees with you and calling them names...try a little self reflection and count to 10 before lashing out, don't always feel like to have to get the last word...it's not life or death, most of it is actually pretty funny

Try finding a post where I was not insulted before I responded back in the same way. You should try some self-reflection always you do is post snarky comments about people.
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what are any of these guys going to do, if trump gets re elected?
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Probably to continue to discuss substantive things that he does or says versus the petty things that used to constantly be on this site in reference to Obama.
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Try finding a post where I was not insulted before I responded back in the same way. You should try some self-reflection always you do is post snarky comments about people.
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the post about trumps ad. detbuch asked you where it said he wanted them executed, you claimed
you didn’t say that, he pointed out where you did, and your response was “this is why i ignore you.”. he didn’t insult you, just showed that you were demonstrably wrong.

stop playing the victim card.
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the post about trumps ad. detbuch asked you where it said he wanted them executed, you claimed
you didn’t say that, he pointed out where you did, and your response was “this is why i ignore you.”. he didn’t insult you, just showed that you were demonstrably wrong.

stop playing the victim card.
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He confused me with Pete and then when I said something like I was going to post the same thing to Pete it was about trumps claiming that since the Central Park five confesed they were guilty yet he he's changing his argument with Flynn who plead guilty. You insult so many people you don't even recognize insults anymore. It also said I attempted to "twist, interpret, conjecture, insinuate, characterize what Trump said". He also said something like I accused Trump of racism. And I did none of those things.

Here's an idea why don't you try acting like a grown up for a couple hours and stop with the insults and see what type of responses you get.
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Said the whiner with no filter
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Here's an idea why don't you try acting like a grown up for a couple hours and stop with the insults and see what type of responses you get.
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Paul, I don't feel I need any life lessons from someone who cries "victim" every single time he gets caught acting like jerk (ALWAYS blaming someone else instead of just coming clean), a middle-aged tattletale (because that's not pathetic) who likes to use the word "retard", to accuse Trump of making fun of people with physical disabilities, which has nothing whatsoever to do with the word "retard". And who still refuses to admit there's anything wrong with that word to describe those who normal people usually feel some speck of empathy for, but not you obviously.

Said the whiner with no filter
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Careful, he'll tell on you.

Said the whiner with no filter
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Take a walk today Rollie.

It will be good to get down that BMI.

Take a walk today Rollie.

It will be good to get down that BMI.

Tell me again the virtue of treating people nicely, Paul?

Careful, he'll tell on you.

Kevin
KEVIN!!!
Help,they are picking on me.🤣
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Paul, I don't feel I need any life lessons from someone who cries "victim" every single time he gets caught acting like jerk (ALWAYS blaming someone else instead of just coming clean), a middle-aged tattletale (because that's not pathetic) who likes to use the word "retard", to accuse Trump of making fun of people with physical disabilities, which has nothing whatsoever to do with the word "retard". And who still refuses to admit there's anything wrong with that word to describe those who normal people usually feel some speck of empathy for, but not you obviously.

Internet tough guy. See you can't help yourself. If you don't like a life lesson, don't try to give me one. I don't call myself a victim.

I told you why I used the word so either you're too stupid to understand or don't like that I called you and others out for your hypocrisy. Pls. point out where I said there's nothing wrong with using the word retard - either show me where I said that or admit you're a scummy liar.


You call Democrats whores - right. Didn't you say your parents are Democrats? So do you consider your mom a whore or just every other Democrat with the exception of your mom? Tell me that wasn't pathetic using those words.

Kevin
KEVIN!!!
Help,they are picking on me.��
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Good one. Is it a wonder I think you are stupid and pathetic.

Let me get this right (and to use a baseball analogy)

lousy education - strike one
No earnings potential - strike two
overweight Rollie Pollie - strike three

Three strikes and you're …….








a loser

Tell me again the virtue of treating people nicely, Paul?

What fantasy world do you live in?

Have I ever insulted him first? A Rollie Pollie guy like him would benefit from losing some weight.

He is sort of like you.

Internet tough guy. See you can't help yourself. I don't call myself a victim.

I told you I why I used the word so either you're too stupid to understand or don't like that I called you and others out for your hypocrisy. Pls. point out where I said t there's nothing wrong with using the word retard - either show me where I said that or admit you're a scummy liar.

"Internet tough guy"

That's me.

"I don't call myself a victim"

Every single time someone points out that you can be as insulting or crass as anyone, you immediately claim that you reacted in self defense because someone else was picking on poor little you. Every. Single. Time. It's never your fault. Not once.

"I told you I why I used the word "

As usual, I included your reasoning - you think the use of the word "retard" is justified to criticize Trump for mocking someone who doesn't have any intellectual issues. Its absurd.

"I told you I why I used the word...Pls. point out where I said t there's nothing wrong with using the word retard "

I have to admit, that as skilled as I am in understanding the flawed thought process of liberals, you are losing me here. So let me just ask you straight up, in front of everyone here...is that word hateful and offensive, or is it OK to use as a weapon? It can be one or the other, not both.

You used the word, you tried to justify it. In your mind, there was nothing wrong with your using it.

What fantasy world do you live in?

Have I ever insulted him first? A Rollie Pollie guy like him would benefit from losing some weight.

He is sort of like you.

In the world in which I live, you like to claim the moral high ground and lecture others that they should play nice. Which is a notion I agree with, but concede I fall short of. Yet when we point out that you throw elbows with the best of them, you always whine about being picked on, you did it in this post. Every single time, it's someone else's fault. You are the only one who can act this way and still claim you're as innocent as a newborn kitten.

If I say that I only resort to insults when I feel that I've been pushed there, is that good enough for you? Or are you the only one who gets to play that card?

"I did it because he did it first " is an excuse that I don't let my children get away with. Even my middle son the "retard" knows better than to try that.

"Internet tough guy"

That's me.

"I don't call myself a victim"

Every single time someone points out that you can be as insulting or crass as anyone, you immediately claim that you reacted in self defense because someone else was picking on poor little you. Every. Single. Time. It's never your fault. Not once. That is correct. That not calling myself the victim. That is explaining why I stoop to your level.
"I told you I why I used the word "

As usual, I included your reasoning - you think the use of the word "retard" is justified to criticize Trump for mocking someone who doesn't have any intellectual issues. Its absurd.The reporter did have some disabilities and I said I didn't know what they were.

"I told you I why I used the word...Pls. point out where I said there's nothing wrong with using the word retard "

I have to admit, that as skilled as I am in understanding the flawed thought process of liberals, you are losing me here. So let me just ask you straight up, in front of everyone here...is that word hateful and offensive, or is it OK to use as a weapon? It can be one or the other, not both.

You used the word, you tried to justify it. In your mind, there was nothing wrong with your using it.

I used it to point out your hypocrisy and to mock you for not having a problem with Trump. The Repub. elected a man who stood up on stage and acted like a 8 year old mocking someone with a disability. But as you said - as long as your 401K is doing ok, you don't care what he does.

How many times are you going to ask the same thing?

I used it to point out your hypocrisy and to mock you for not having a problem with Trump.

How many times are you going to ask the same thing?

"mock you for not having a problem with having deranged, irrational, obsessive hatred for Trump"

Fixed it for you. I have serious, serious issues with his moral compass. My issues, unlike yours, aren't based in politics. My concerns with him are real. Not partisan nonsense.

" How many times are you going to ask the same thing"

For sure, I'd stop if you answered. Why would you use the word "retard" to describe someone when you admit you had no idea what his issues were? Do you use that hateful, disgusting term to describe everyone who isn't perfect?

In the world in which I live, you like to claim the moral high ground and lecture others that they should play nice. Which is a notion I agree with, but concede I fall short of. Yet when we point out that you throw elbows with the best of them, you always whine about being picked on, you did it in this post.I'll admit I'll insult people when they insult me here. Every single time, it's someone else's fault. You are the only one who can act this way and still claim you're as innocent as a newborn kitten.As I said, try acting like an adult for 1 hour and not insult people and see the reaction you get. I don't think you can do that.

If I say that I only resort to insults when I feel that I've been pushed there, is that good enough for you? Or are you the only one who gets to play that card?Feel free, but I think you resort to insults many times before others do.

"I did it because he did it first " is an excuse that I don't let my children get away with. Well people only can ignore so much.Even my middle son the "retard" knows better than to try that.

I didn't know that.

Paul, in another thread, you denied you are a tattletale, but admitted that you went to Kevn with reports of others behaving in ways you didn't like, hoping he'd exert his authority. But that's not tattling.

In this post, you again claim that every single time you insult people, it's because they did it to you first. Every single time, you deny that you are responsible for your behavior, that someone else always made you do it. But you deny playing the victim card.

I'm not sure you know what "tattletale" or "playing the victim card" mean.

"mock you for not having a problem with having deranged, irrational, obsessive hatred for Trump"How many posts did you put up about every little thing Obama did - never mind that Trump is 0000s of times worse and there is no bottom for his insults.

Fixed it for you. I have serious, serious issues with his moral compass. My issues, unlike yours, aren't based in politics. My concerns with him are real. Not partisan nonsense. So you think I wouldn't mind if say Biden starting calling people the vile things Trump does - your wrong then.

" How many times are you going to ask the same thing"

For sure, I'd stop if you answered. Why would you use the word "retard" to describe someone when you admit you had no idea what his issues were? Do you use that hateful, disgusting term to describe everyone who isn't perfect?

BC I knew he had a disability and Trump mocked him. I used spazz too. Trump knew he had a disability and yet purposely mocked him. How low is that.

Paul, in another thread, you denied you are a tattletale, but admitted that you went to Kevn with reports of others behaving in ways you didn't like, hoping he'd exert his authority. But that's not tattling.
For the 10th time. Bruce posted the rules for some reason and I said why not inforce them? I pointed out direct violations of those rules. Why post them but not inforce them?
In this post, you again claim that every single time you insult people, it's because they did it to you first. Every single time, you deny that you are responsible for your behavior, that someone else always made you do it. Nobody makes me "do it" I just see no reason to take the classless insults from people on this site.But you deny playing the victim card.

I'm not sure you know what "tattletale" or "playing the victim card" mean.

I know what both are.

But as you said - as long as your 401K is doing ok, you don't care what he does.



And you voted for a woman who married a predator, lied to protect him, and slut-shamed his victims on TV. A woman who said people who disagree with her (fellow American citizens) are deplorable. You overlooked her deep flaws and voted for her anyway. Right? So it's OK when you ignore your candidate's personal behavior, but a character flaw when Republicans do it.

Character wasn't on the ballot in 2016. Nor will it be in 2020. In November, you're going to vote for a man who told blacks that Romney "wants to put y'all back in chains".

But it's OK when you do it.

Bruce posted the rules for some reason and I said why not inforce them? I pointed out direct violations of those rules.

Please differentiate that, from tattling.

Paul, in another thread, you denied you are a tattletale, but admitted that you went to Kevn with reports of others behaving in ways you didn't like, hoping he'd exert his authority. But that's not tattling.

In this post, you again claim that every single time you insult people, it's because they did it to you first. Every single time, you deny that you are responsible for your behavior, that someone else always made you do it. But you deny playing the victim card.

I'm not sure you know what "tattletale" or "playing the victim card" mean.

Not only is he insecure. He is also lacking integrity.
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you think I wouldn't mind if say Biden starting calling people the vile things Trump does - your wrong then.

Hilary went on TV and said that her husband's many victims were "narcissist loony tunes". She said those who disagree with her are racist, sexist, homophobic, Islamophobic, xenophobic, etc.
And Biden told blacks very explicitly, that Romney wants them back in chains.

Now, since you say you don't give your candidates a pass for saying vile things, please tell us your reaction to Hilary and Biden saying those things. Are you a glaring hypocrite? Or did you refuse to support Hilary and Biden?

Have fun with that.

Am I making those accusations up? Are those vile things to say? Is attacking assault victims on global television a vile thing to do? Or is that a trait you like in your president?

Biden also very likely sexually assaulted a young girl. But you're going to vote for him.

So where do you get off acting like you don't ignore personal character and vote on policy, just like I do?

Please differentiate that, from tattling.

For the 8th time - That is asking the question why post the rules if he is not going to inforce them?

Not only is he insecure. He is also lacking integrity.
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In what way?

Didn't you say I stole someone's secret spots? And I told you I haven't fished any spots that people from this site took me to so no one could truthfully say that. So why do you think it is ok to lie like that?

Rollie - That is one of the reasons I think you are a vile scummy person.

And you voted for a woman who married a predator, lied to protect him, and slut-shamed his victims on TV. A woman who said people who disagree with her (fellow American citizens) are deplorable.Didn't she apologize? You overlooked her deep flaws and voted for her anyway. Right? So it's OK when you ignore your candidate's personal behavior, but a character flaw when Republicans do it.

Character wasn't on the ballot in 2016. Nor will it be in 2020. In November, you're going to vote for a man who told blacks that Romney "wants to put y'all back in chains".

But it's OK when you do it.

I weighed all the insults from each and Trump's outweigh any hundred other individuals.

For the 8th time - That is asking the question why post the rules if he is not going to inforce them?

In force
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Dumb
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In what way?

Didn't you say I stole someone's secret spots? And I told you I haven't fished any spots that people from this site took me to so no one could truthfully say that. So why do you think it is ok to lie like that?

Rollie - That is one of the reasons I think you are a vile scummy person.

Because I only know people from this site... keep lying
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Because I only know people from this site... keep lying
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HA HA

Rollie, so what am I lying about?

In force
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Dumb
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Rollie and his HS education. Pointing out a typo. what a child. Is that an attempt to make you feel good about yourself bc you're a loser?

Don't you have any pride not making any $?

He confused me with Pete and then when I said something like I was going to post the same thing to Pete it was about trumps claiming that since the Central Park five confesed they were guilty yet he he's changing his argument with Flynn who plead guilty.

I didn't confuse you with Pete. I pointed out that you agreed (without qualification) to Pete's statement. You didn't specify which part of his statement. Any reasonable person would have assumed you agreed with his statement. Perhaps you didn't know what he meant by "he still does."

You insult so many people you don't even recognize insults anymore.

You consider what I said an insult? How was it an insult?

It also said I attempted to "twist, interpret, conjecture, insinuate, characterize what Trump said". He also said something like I accused Trump of racism. And I did none of those things.

I didn't say that you did any of that. I referred to general comments that were being made and implied (including by Pete) against Trump re the ad, didn't mention you. But if you want to take it personally, that's you're prerogative.

Nor was any of it meant as an insult. Pointing out that someone twists, interprets, conjectures, insinuates, or characterizes, is not inherently an insult. Nor did I say that you said Trump is a racist. I pointed out, correctly, that "there is this attempt to characterize it [the ad] as racist." There absolutely has been that attempt by anti-Trumpers, including Pete. Didn't mention you. The only thing I said in that paragraph that was directed at you, actually agreed with you that Trump is a sloppy talker (well put actually), but disagreed that the ad was sloppily written.

Here's an idea why don't you try acting like a grown up for a couple hours and stop with the insults and see what type of responses you get.


You might want to be less sensitive or defensive (this is not an insult), and not take personally things that are not referring directly to you. And you might want to tighten up the scope of what you consider an insult (this is not an insult).

HA HA

Rollie, so what am I lying about?

It’s fine,rocks are not personal property. A little honesty would not hurt on occasion. Make your Dad proud for a change.
And please stop whining, your husband is even embarrassed 😩
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Rollie and his HS education. Pointing out a typo. what a child. Is that an attempt to make you feel good about yourself bc you're a loser?

Don't you have any pride not making any $?

I am content with what I have. I spend my time helping those in need now. The good news is that leaves more for you,perhaps you can get some new bike shorts.👍🏿

Post pics💪🏻
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I weighed all the insults from each and Trump's outweigh any hundred other individuals.

Ahh, I see! So you, and only you, get to decide what sins are forgivable, and which are not. I'm so sorry Paul, somehow I missed that announcement that you are the arbiter of such things.

Who cares if she apologized? If Trump apologized, would you accept it and forget everything? After Hilary lost, she blamed every force on earth for her defeat, except her own shortcomings, so there's zero evidence the apology was sincere.

At that level, almost all are scumbags, so you're voting for whose policy you like better. That's what you do, it's what I do.

For the 8th time - That is asking the question why post the rules if he is not going to inforce them?

But in your own words, that's not all you did, you also made him aware of those who were violating the rules. AKA, tattling.

It’s fine,rocks are not personal property. A little honesty would not hurt on occasion. Make your Dad proud for a change.
And please stop whining, your husband is even embarrassed 😩
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Another non-answer. You throw honesty and lies out there but I told you how you lie. That shows what a vile scummy person you are.
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I am content with what I have. I spend my time helping those in need now. The good news is that leaves more for you,perhaps you can get some new bike shorts.👍🏿

Post pics💪🏻
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Good hopefully you can help someone in need. Maybe give some of those fresh vegetables. I'm fine with the bike shorts thanks. I've actually been given a number of bike kits. I doubt you or Scott know what that is but you both can look it up. you should try it. I'll help you lose some of that excess weight.⛄🍔
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But in your own words, that's not all you did, you also made him aware of those who were violating the rules. AKA, tattling.

How is it tattling when I'm just asking how something doesn't violate the rules? What was the point of posting the rules if they're not enforced?

And why does the word retard bother you more when you called Democrats whores? You don't think people find that offensive?
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How is it tattling when I'm just asking ow something doesn't violate the rules?

And why does the word retard bother you more when you called Democrats whores? You don't think people find that offensive?
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How is it not tattling when you tell the authority figures who you think violated the rules, in the hope of getting them punished?

"And why does the word retard bother you more when you called Democrats whores?"

The people who you call "retards", are people who were born with challenges. They didn't ask to be born with challenges, they didn't do anything to deserve those challenges, it just happened to them. Normal human beings feel empathy for them.

You are comparing those people, to the democrats who have run CT for 40 years and led us to bankruptcy, and gotten wealthy from their union masters along the way?

My state rep Joe Aresimowicz is speaker of the CT House, he also is a full time employee of the largest state employee labor union. Joe has done quite well for himself rewarding the union (himself) with massive state spending which we all know the state can never pay for. He also gets a nice paycheck as a legislator for, supposedly, representing me. So he represents both the taxpayers and the union, gets paid by both sides simultaneously during contract negotiations. That makes zero sense. But it's worked out very well for Joe.

If I call Joe a whore, in my opinion he has earned that label through his actions, and for sure he is capable to defend himself against it.

You are saying a person with Down's Syndrome, deserves to be called a "retard", as much as he deserves to be called a whore? That's what you're really saying?

Many of the positions you have taken recently on this board have made it clear that you are no deep thinker. This one takes the cake. To you, being born disabled is as much of a character flaw for those you call "retards", as crooked politicians who knowingly make disastrous public policy because someone is paying them to do so.

I feel bad for you, I really do. When I think of the debates we used to have and how sharp and knowledgeable and challenging you were, and I compare that to what you have descended to...I feel sorry for you, that's all. Shame on you.

Face it you specifically called Democrats whores and then you have the nerve to criticize what someone else does. Hypocrisy at its finest. I feel bad for you and the anger you demonstrate on a daily basis here where you cannot go an hour without insulting people. What was so bad in your life to cause you to be like this? You've been angry on this site for years. Maybe it's time to go talk to someone. I'm sure work has an EAP
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Face it you specifically called Democrats whores and then you have the nerve to criticize what someone else does. Hypocrisy at its finest. I feel bad for you and the anger you demonstrate on a daily basis here where you cannot go an hour without insulting people. What was so bad in your life to cause you to be like this? You've been angry on this site for years. Maybe it's time to go talk to someone. I'm sure work has an EAP
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You are assuming that calling out someone for the destructive things they do, and calling someone out for a condition they are born with, are the same thing. That's the basis for your argument. It's a very weak argument.

You are assuming that calling out someone for the destructive things they do, and calling someone out for a condition they are born with, are the same thing. That's the basis for your argument. It's a very weak argument.

No it's not they're both vile statements. So are those right-leaning States who depend on the government to transfer funds from the left-leaning states whores also? And I bet if I open up every other active thread in this forum you're arguing with somebody else
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No it's not they're both vile statements. So are those right-leaning States who depend on the government to transfer funds from the left-leaning states whores also? And I bet if I open up every other active thread in this forum you're arguing with somebody else
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Now you're moving the goalposts.

You lost me (and everyone else) at suggesting there's any moral equivalence between insulting a crooked politician, and insulting someone born with a disability. I find the air quite clean on my side of this Paul. Quite clean. I'm very comfortable embracing the idea that we avoid using hateful language that's deeply offensive to innocent people who often struggle through no fault of their own. You think it's OK to use that language to achieve your own ends. Fine.

Some people (not you), think that adults who lie and cheat, and people born with disabilities, are different.

"And I bet if I open up every other active thread in this forum you're arguing with somebody else"

And you're not. Nor is everyone else.

You're using vile language in calling someone a whore just because you don't like someone's politics and now you trying to justify it in your mind. You never said you used it for a crooked politician you just said Democrat whores. I'm not moving the bar at all. I admit retard is vile and I used it for a specific purpose see post 60.
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Another non-answer. You throw honesty and lies out there but I told you how you lie. That shows what a vile scummy person you are.
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So, you refuse to come clean but it cost you a fishing buddy. No big loss I guess. Sorry goes a long way towards making amends. But you will never admit fault. Such a sad waste.
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You're using vile language in calling someone a whore just because you don't like someone's politics and now you trying to justify it in your mind. You never said you used it for a crooked politician you just said Democrat whores. I'm not moving the bar at all. I admit retard is vile and I used it for a specific purpose see post 60.
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"You're using vile language in calling someone a whore just because you don't like someone's politics '

I don't know that enriching yourself while taxing people into oblivion and then spending 100 billion more than the taxes will fund, is a political position. John Roland was a Republican, he is also a whore who enriched himself while screwing the people he was supposed to represent. I call them whores regardless of politics, I don't care what their position is on climate change or abortion when I call them whores.

Paul, in my opinion it's possible for an adult to act in such a way as to earn insults. Obviously you agree, which is why you have called me scummy. That's fine. I agree that sometimes people (adults) act in a way as to deserve ridicule.

I don't think that being born with a disability, means those people deserve to have hate speech thrown their way. You do. You did it, you angrily defended it multiple times.

"You never said you used it for a crooked politician you just said Democrat whores"

I said democrat whores who screw their constituents when the union says to do so. If there are any democrats opposed to bankrupting the state for their union masters (as far as I know none ever oppose the budgets or tax hikes), I would not include them.

'I admit retard is vile and I used it for a specific purpose"

The vile nature of that term is due to the pain it causes the disabled. That has nothing to do with lobbing it at Trump. Your use of that word doesn't hurt Trump, it hurts disabled people.

The democrats in our state legislature screw us for money. That makes them whores of a sort.

Trump, for all his faults, does not make fun of "retards", no matter how many times you say it.

I have called Joe Aresimowicz a whore to his face, in public. That's what he is, and even he knows it. I walked out of there and there were people thanking me. If you went to a SPecial Olympics event and said "Trump makes fun of retards", youd get the crap beat out of you, and you'd deserve it. I know one Dad, I'd pay you a lot of money to say that in front of. Enough to cover your emergency room copay.

When I say something vile, you've done something to deserve it. When you say "retard", the "retards" didn't do anything to you. All you see is your hatred of Trump, you don't see, you can't see, how hurtful that is to people who didn't do anything to you. It's every bit as bad as n*gger.

So, you refuse to come clean but it cost you a fishing buddy. No big loss I guess. Sorry goes a long way towards making amends. But you will never admit fault. Such a sad waste.
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None of them re capable of coming clean. Has a liberal here ever apologized, admitted to being wrong, or admitted that the other side has a good point? Ever?

So, you refuse to come clean but it cost you a fishing buddy. No big loss I guess. Sorry goes a long way towards making amends. But you will never admit fault. Such a sad waste.
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I haven't lost any fishing buddies scumbag.
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I haven't lost many fishing buddies scumbag.
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My bad
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Biden Accuser’s Lawyer Is Trump Donor With History of Representing Sexual Harassment Accusers shocking

In 2017, on multiple occasions, Reade rretweeted or “liked” praise for Biden and his work combating sexual assault. In the same year, Reade tweeted other compliments of Biden, including: “My old boss speaks truth. Listen.”

Reade referred to Biden as “the blue version of Trump.” Reade also pushed a Sanders/Elizabeth Warren ticket, while complaining that the Democratic National Committee was trying to “shove” Biden “down Democrat voters throats.”

Love of Russia and Putin. During 2017 when Reade was praising Biden, she was condemning Russian leader Vladimir Putin’s efforts to hijack American democracy in the 2016 election. This changed in November 2018, when Reade trashed the United States as a country of “hypocrisy and imperialism” and “not a democracy at all but a corporate autocracy.”

Reade’s distaste for America closely tracked her new infatuation with Russia and Putin. She referred to Putin as a “genius” with an athletic prowess that “is intoxicating to American women.” Then there’s this gem: “President Putin has an alluring combination of strength with gentleness. His sensuous image projects his love for life, the embodiment of grace while facing adversity.”

In March 2019, Reade essentially dismissed the idea of Russian interference in the 2016 American presidential election as hype. She said she loved Russia and her Russian relatives — and "like most women across the world, I like President Putin … a lot, his shirt on or shirt off.”

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2020/04/29/joe-biden-sexual-assault-allegation-tara-reade-column/3046962001/

and the right embraces her like their own , what's not to love shes against Biden and for Putin .. and Republicans only play Fair ....

Biden Accuser’s Lawyer Is Trump Donor With History of Representing Sexual Harassment Accusers shocking

In 2017, on multiple occasions, Reade rretweeted or “liked” praise for Biden and his work combating sexual assault. In the same year, Reade tweeted other compliments of Biden, including: “My old boss speaks truth. Listen.”

Reade referred to Biden as “the blue version of Trump.” Reade also pushed a Sanders/Elizabeth Warren ticket, while complaining that the Democratic National Committee was trying to “shove” Biden “down Democrat voters throats.”

Love of Russia and Putin. During 2017 when Reade was praising Biden, she was condemning Russian leader Vladimir Putin’s efforts to hijack American democracy in the 2016 election. This changed in November 2018, when Reade trashed the United States as a country of “hypocrisy and imperialism” and “not a democracy at all but a corporate autocracy.”

Reade’s distaste for America closely tracked her new infatuation with Russia and Putin. She referred to Putin as a “genius” with an athletic prowess that “is intoxicating to American women.” Then there’s this gem: “President Putin has an alluring combination of strength with gentleness. His sensuous image projects his love for life, the embodiment of grace while facing adversity.”

In March 2019, Reade essentially dismissed the idea of Russian interference in the 2016 American presidential election as hype. She said she loved Russia and her Russian relatives — and "like most women across the world, I like President Putin … a lot, his shirt on or shirt off.”

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2020/04/29/joe-biden-sexual-assault-allegation-tara-reade-column/3046962001/

and the right embraces her like their own , what's not to love shes against Biden and for Putin .. and Republicans only play Fair ....

(1) Biden's accuser is a democrat who chose to work for Biden.

(2) you are surprised that she picked a lawyer with experience in this field?

'and the right embraces her like their own"

You bet we do. She will make it more likely that Biden loses.

In your recap of things people have historically said, you conveniently left out what Biden said ,during the Kavanaugh hearings, about believing women who come forward. so why is it "unfair" that we ask Biden to subject himself to the same standard that he held Brett Kavanaugh to? Please explain?

Biden Accuser’s Lawyer Is Trump Donor With History of Representing Sexual Harassment Accusers shocking

In 2017, on multiple occasions, Reade rretweeted or “liked” praise for Biden and his work combating sexual assault. In the same year, Reade tweeted other compliments of Biden, including: “My old boss speaks truth. Listen.”

Reade referred to Biden as “the blue version of Trump.” Reade also pushed a Sanders/Elizabeth Warren ticket, while complaining that the Democratic National Committee was trying to “shove” Biden “down Democrat voters throats.”

Love of Russia and Putin. During 2017 when Reade was praising Biden, she was condemning Russian leader Vladimir Putin’s efforts to hijack American democracy in the 2016 election. This changed in November 2018, when Reade trashed the United States as a country of “hypocrisy and imperialism” and “not a democracy at all but a corporate autocracy.”

Reade’s distaste for America closely tracked her new infatuation with Russia and Putin. She referred to Putin as a “genius” with an athletic prowess that “is intoxicating to American women.” Then there’s this gem: “President Putin has an alluring combination of strength with gentleness. His sensuous image projects his love for life, the embodiment of grace while facing adversity.”

In March 2019, Reade essentially dismissed the idea of Russian interference in the 2016 American presidential election as hype. She said she loved Russia and her Russian relatives — and "like most women across the world, I like President Putin … a lot, his shirt on or shirt off.”

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2020/04/29/joe-biden-sexual-assault-allegation-tara-reade-column/3046962001/

and the right embraces her like their own , what's not to love shes against Biden and for Putin .. and Republicans only play Fair ....

keep attacking the victim....

keep attacking the victim....

She's doing a piece for the New Yorker with Farrow that will be out before the election. Everyone on the left knows this will hurt Biden and make them look like the hypocrites they are on the issue of "believe all women". It's not insurmountable of course, especially not against Trump.

Surprised Farrow is doing this, as he's also a liberal democrat who knows this will help Trump. Unless he hopes that it gets the power brokers to shove Biden aside and put Michelle Obama in there, who I don't think we'd have a prayer against.

keep attacking the victim....

1. Have an investigation, I have said it multiple times here, as have others. If it happened when he was a senator, have a senate investigation. I will read what Farrow comes up with, and make my own opinion later.

2. Is it attacking the victim to bring in her own tweets and quotes? If she is out there tweeting and commenting about Biden a year or two ago and now does a 180 on it, it bears questioning that she isn't a nutjob, albeit one we should at least hear out. You sound like Trump 'don't attack me with my own words....'

Michelle Obama in there, who I don't think we'd have a prayer against.


Agree, she would mop the floor with Trump, but she isn't running. Full stop.

Sleeper pick for VP is Susan Rice though...... :hidin:

Agree, she would mop the floor with Trump, but she isn't running. Full stop.

Sleeper pick for VP is Susan Rice though...... :hidin:

Nobody is worried about Susan Rice. I hope you're right about Michelle, and I do think you're right. Man I hope so.

I'm still thinking Warren, I think it needs to be somebody the Bernie progressives can get behind.

biden will be more fun....hang in there sleepy joe!

biden will be more fun....hang in there sleepy joe!

I'm sure it will be Biden, unless he deteriorates to the point where he has to step aside. He's fading fast.

I'm still thinking Warren, I think it needs to be somebody the Bernie progressives can get behind.

Really, African-American woman that moderate democrats can support? Seems in-line with Biden. I don't think he goes for Warren, but maybe. I hope he doesn't go for Abrams, too untested on the national stage.

Really, African-American woman that moderate democrats can support? Seems in-line with Biden. I don't think he goes for Warren, but maybe. I hope he doesn't go for Abrams, too untested on the national stage.

I agree she's in line with Biden. But I was thinking, and I could well be wrong, that he needs someone who the progressive wing will like, because they don't like him, they wanted Bernie, and if Bernie supporters stay home like many did in 2016, he can't win. But Warren isn't going to win over any independents in swing states, but who knows if VPs ever do that.

From my perspective I would love if he picked Abrams as I think she'd prove to be very Sara Palin-like. State legislature to VP is a huge leap as you said.

It will be an interesting choice. Depends on which boxes they think are most important to check off.

She's doing a piece for the New Yorker with Farrow that will be out before the election. Everyone on the left knows this will hurt Biden and make them look like the hypocrites they are on the issue of "believe all women". It's not insurmountable of course, especially not against Trump.

Surprised Farrow is doing this, as he's also a liberal democrat who knows this will help Trump. Unless he hopes that it gets the power brokers to shove Biden aside and put Michelle Obama in there, who I don't think we'd have a prayer against.

you assume hes doing this to prove her right? What will you say when the story isn't what you've predected
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I've heard that Ronan's investigating this part of the story also.

It looks like Tara Reade was charged with check fraud on August 2, 1993, and the Biden Senate office forced her to resign in lieu of termination within the end of the week. It looks like her third strike, she'd been docked twice before.

Suddenly this whole tawdry spectacle makes a lot of sense...

Can't tell Mom she was fired, Mom calls the radio talk show

Can't admit to her friends she was fired, makes up various stories

And on and on

Thanks for clearing it up Bitchslappedboy
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you assume hes doing this to prove her right? What will you say when the story isn't what you've predected
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So she is working with Ronan Farrow to disprove her claim. Makes all kinds of sense.

Again, how do YOU know how it will end? Amazingly, you always know more than what's reported, and also amazingly, your additional knowledge always makes it more favorable to the left.

you assume hes doing this to prove her right? What will you say when the story isn't what you've predected
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So she is working with Ronan Farrow to disprove her claim. Makes all kinds of sense.

Again, how do YOU know how it will end? Amazingly, you always know more than what's reported, and also amazingly, your additional knowledge always makes it more favorable to the left.

It may turn out she made up the whole thing because the Koch brothers paid her to do so. But how do you already know that it's not just what she says?

So she is working with Ronan Farrow to disprove her claim. Makes all kinds of sense.

Again, how do YOU know how it will end? Amazingly, you always know more than what's reported, and also amazingly, your additional knowledge always makes it more favorable to the left.

I dont know how it ends .. your the one making predictions on the outcome or did you forget


She's doing a piece for the New Yorker with Farrow that will be out before the election. Everyone on the left knows this will hurt Biden and make them look like the hypocrites they are on the issue of "believe all women".

Surprised Farrow is doing this, as he's also a liberal democrat who knows this will help Trump

I dont know how it ends .. your the one making predictions on the outcome or did you forget


She's doing a piece for the New Yorker with Farrow that will be out before the election. Everyone on the left knows this will hurt Biden and make them look like the hypocrites they are on the issue of "believe all women".

Surprised Farrow is doing this, as he's also a liberal democrat who knows this will help Trump

"I dont know how it ends .. your the one making predictions on the outcome or did you forget "

You posted this a few minutes ago: 'What will you say when the story isn't what you've predected'

How do you know my prediction (whatever that was) will be wrong?

You deny this hurts Biden, you deny this makes the left look like hypocrites on this issue? You say so!

"I dont know how it ends .. your the one making predictions on the outcome or did you forget "

You posted this a few minutes ago: 'What will you say when the story isn't what you've predected'

How do you know my prediction (whatever that was) will be wrong?

You deny this hurts Biden, you deny this makes the left look like hypocrites on this issue? You say so!
It only hurts biden in your mind and on fox ..

Own it you made a prediction and now your saying you didn't... please ..
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I don’t think it hurts Biden at all unless there’s a big change. He’s going to pick a female VP and the opponent has as bad of a track record with women as you can get.

Big thing Biden has to do is articulate a value statement for electing him. Clinton struggled with this. Trump just spread lies and fear but negative advertising does tend to work.
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So she is working with Ronan Farrow to disprove her claim. Makes all kinds of sense.

Again, how do YOU know how it will end? Amazingly, you always know more than what's reported, and also amazingly, your additional knowledge always makes it more favorable to the left.
It is amazing that you claim to know the rest of the story and that the only story Ronan is willing to tell is that men abuse women. Quite the opposite of what you claim the truth to be. Or is your story taking a new spin?
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It is amazing that you claim to know the rest of the story and that the only story Ronan is willing to tell is that men abuse women. Quite the opposite of what you claim the truth to be. Or is your story taking a new spin?
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When did I claim to know anything that's not public knowledge? I guess I'm speculating that Reade didn't agree to work with him for the intent of bashing her credibility. I think that's a safe bet.

'the only story Ronan is willing to tell is that men abuse women."

When did I say anything like that?

I don’t think it hurts Biden at all unless there’s a big change. He’s going to pick a female VP and the opponent has as bad of a track record with women as you can get.

Big thing Biden has to do is articulate a value statement for electing him. Clinton struggled with this. Trump just spread lies and fear but negative advertising does tend to work.
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"I don’t think it hurts Biden at all unless there’s a big change."

We are all stunned that you take this position. We all have to lie down.

Can I ask you, what happened to Biden's deeply held principle that we have an obligation to believe (not just 'hear', but believe) all women? What happened to that liberal conviction? Did I take it out of context when Biden himself said you have to resume they're telling the truth? Was that just his dementia?

"Big thing Biden has to do is articulate a value statement for electing him"

Good luck with that,,,"four score and...we hold these, truths to be self, man, I mean man, ...Trump wants to put y'all back in chains. Can I go lie down now?"

"He’s going to pick a female VP "

Big whoop from that list.

When did I claim to know anything that's not public knowledge? I guess I'm speculating that Reade didn't agree to work with him for the intent of bashing her credibility. I think that's a safe bet.

'the only story Ronan is willing to tell is that men abuse women."

When did I say anything like that?

Only one part of what you claim can be true
Part A I'm speculating that Reade didn't agree to work with him for the intent of bashing her credibility.
Part B the only story Ronan is willing to tell is that men abuse women."When did I say anything like that?

Only one part of what you claim can be true
Part A I'm speculating that Reade didn't agree to work with him for the intent of bashing her credibility.
Part B the only story Ronan is willing to tell is that men abuse women."When did I say anything like that?

Please post where I said that Farrow will only write about men busing women. Let's start with that. I never said anything remotely close to that. Maybe you got bitchslapped one too many times?

You are making stuff up out of thin air, because you cannot respond to reality.

So she is working with Ronan Farrow to disprove her claim. Makes all kinds of sense.


When did I claim to know anything that's not public knowledge? I guess I'm speculating that Reade didn't agree to work with him for the intent of bashing her credibility. I think that's a safe bet.

'the only story Ronan is willing to tell is that men abuse women."

When did I say anything like that?
So tough guy, how are the truck stops?

So tough guy, how are the truck stops?

i said, in this case, chances are Reade brought him in to help tell her story. I said nothing about the rest of farrows career.

so when i sat it’s unlikely Reade brought Farrow in to torpedo her, somehow you took that to mean that Farrows entire career is blaming men? i’m talking about this story, this one story.
my god man. you don’t think it’s possible for me to say he’s probably siding with the woman on this one story, but his career is defined by writing many different stories? why is it all or nothing? that’s how giy are with everything, trump is always wrong, anyone who agrees with him once is a trumplican.
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You think Ronan is only interested in one side of the story?
That there is no advantage to him finding a story that contradicts the belief of the rabble that thinks he is only the me too man?
You are a simple boy

You think Ronan is only interested in one side of the story?
That there is no advantage to him finding a story that contradicts the belief of the rabble that thinks he is only the me too man?
You are a simple boy

instead of making idiotic guesses as to what i’m thinking, just ask me.

why on earth would Tara Reade collaborate with Farrow, if his angle was to undermine her claim?

he’s not working on his own, they are working together.

but don’t worry, an anonymous former white house staffer says biden is doing great. Faced with that, Trump will probably just drop out:
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instead of making idiotic guesses as to what i’m thinking, just ask me.

why on earth would Tara Reade collaborate with Farrow, if his angle was to undermine her claim? Why do people say their kids have cancer when they dont.. and have fundraiser
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he’s not working on his own, they are working together. Wow now that's an interesting take on his participation

but don’t worry, an anonymous former white house staffer says biden is doing great. Faced with that, Trump will probably just drop out:
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If only you cared so much for the current POTUS character before you voted from him and defend his every action against every critic as suffering from TDS. you might have some solid ground to stand on, in your criticisms of Biden and the left ... and please let's not hear about your random distancing for Trump as your evidence of your not one of his faithful :wave:

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If only you cared so much for the current POTUS character before you voted from him and defend his every action against every critic as suffering from TDS. you might have some solid ground to stand on, in your criticisms of Biden and the left ... and please let's not hear about your random distancing for Trump as your evidence of your not one of his faithful :wave:

"Why do people say their kids have cancer when they dont.. and have fundraiser"

OK. And if you have any evidence that she is a broken person who made this up for attention (which is possible), please share. Otherwise, you are making stuff up because that's what you want the situation to be. Biden has long been known for being handsy with women. How many women have accused him of inappropriate touching? 6 or 7? But let's make a big deal that Pence will not allow himself to be put in that situation.

'now that's an interesting take on his participation '

How would you describe it? And based on what?

"If only you cared so much for the current POTUS character before you voted from him '

And now, in classic desperate liberal fashion, you are moving the goalposts. I never said character was the main concern for me in a POTUS, if it was, I couldn't vote for Trump. I have said a thousand times, I care about results. I settled on that belief during the Bill Clinton presidency. He is an absolute scumbag, a degenerate, pathetic excuse for a man, a husband, and a father. But he did good things as a POTUS. Back then, the liberals only cared about the results of his policies not his character, and I decided they were right.

I am true to that position. It's your side who keeps flip-flopping. When Clinton was President, liberals said his moral compass didn't matter. When Trump got elected, suddenly personal ethics were all that mattered.

Whatever works at the time, is what liberals believe. For sure, there are all kinds of issues of conservative hypocrisy (concern over debt being the most obvious). On this issue, your side looks ridiculously silly and totally devoid of any meaningful principles. Not long ago, Biden himself said we had an obligation to believe all women. Not to "respect" them, not to "hear" them, but to believe them.

Now, not so much. Didn't last very long, did it.

"of your not one of his faithful "

I'm not faithful to Trump. I am faithful to whichever candidate will do a better job of growing the economy, protecting the unborn, killing terrorists, and respecting the Constitution. At this time, that means Republicans. That may change, but as of right now, the democrats are getting much further away from those ideas, not moving closer. When Joe Biden is considered too moderate for much of the democratic party, that tells you how far they've lurched to the left in 15 years.