One of the chief selling points about Donald Trump in 2016, one that persuaded many initially dubious Republicans, was the argument that “he fights.” Some of us tried to counter that his battles nearly always concerned his own fragile ego, not the cause of conservatism, nor even the Republican Party, but these objections were swept aside. He was anointed the right’s champion, willing to do or say anything to get (back) at their enemies, or so they believed, and they were gratified.

Since January, we have witnessed a vivid lesson in the limits of fighting. There were ample reasons before now to recoil from Trump’s style of combat. It is so consistently cruel, witless, below-the-belt, and unhinged (e.g. his recent tweets implying that MSNBC host Joe Scarborough is guilty of murder), that it tainted by association any reasonable arguments that might be advanced for conservative ideas. But in his handling of the coronavirus pandemic, we’ve witnessed that even when a dire emergency calls for traits other than bellicosity, fighting is all he knows how to do. This is proving to be a catastrophe for the nation, and also for Trump’s own self-interest.

Who doubts that if, in January and February, when his intelligence briefers were warning of a public health disaster, Trump had adjusted his style just a bit, he would now be enjoying the kind of approval boost that other world leaders have banked? If, instead of minimizing the threat, trusting Xi Jinping to handle it, and lashing out at Democrats for exaggerating the danger to harm him politically, he had attempted just a simulacrum of traditional leadership, he might now be coasting to reelection rather than bleeding support.

Disasters are opportunities as well as challenges, and while no president welcomes calamity on his watch, most recognize the chance to burnish their standing. Bill Clinton lamented, after his two terms were complete, that he never faced a major crisis. He was apparently regretting that the peace and prosperity the nation enjoyed during his tenure denied him the chance to be considered a great president, since only wartime presidents seem to make it into the first tier in historians’ rankings.

Confronting intelligence about an imminent world health crisis, Trump could have convened a special session of Congress (before lockdowns). With the unmatched optics of a joint session, he could have announced travel restrictions, requested a huge investment in testing, contact tracing, and supported isolation, and recommended the temporary relaxation of regulations to speed treatments and streamline supply chains. He could have called upon Speaker Pelosi and Majority Leader McConnell to chair a task force to coordinate the production and distribution of testing and other medical supplies nationwide. If he were truly rising above his instincts and were able to utter a few unifying words, there is no telling how different things might feel now. He might have said:

We have deep disagreements in this country. There are bitter feelings between the parties. But this is not a time for grievances. We are facing a crisis. It will hit all of us in different ways, some more grievously than others. It will require courage and sacrifice and patience. It will call upon Americans’ volunteer spirit and generosity. I wish I could say it will be easy, but that just isn’t true. This is a new threat and we have much to learn. But one thing is certain: We will face this not as Democrats or Republicans, but as Americans. American creativity, innovation, and flexibility have permitted us to meet great challenges before. This time is no different. If we unite, nothing will stop us.

In addition to enhancing Trump’s leadership credibility, such an approach would have buoyed national morale and set us on a path to control the outbreak. But this president can’t choose comity even when it is blazingly obvious that nothing would better serve his own interests. He fights not because he’s anyone’s knight in shining armor; he fights because it’s the only mode he knows.

Since the disease began spreading, Trump has failed to develop a plan of action. He has punted responsibility to governors, while claiming complete power for himself. He has lied and dithered and hawked quack cures. He has created confusion by forcing government agencies to waste time dealing with his callow son-in-law on a matter of urgent national concern. But above all, he searched for someone to punch.

While the situation cried out for competent coordination and planning, for calm briefings with experts, he looked only for foils. He fought with Democrats, exclaiming on February 28 that “this is their new hoax.” He tangled with insufficiently “grateful” governors who asked for supplies. “I say . . . don’t call the governor of Washington. Don’t call the woman from Michigan.” He disparaged frontline medical professionals, wondering on March 29 whether they were stealing masks (“Are they going out the back door?”). He had a spat with congressional leadership in late February when they proposed an initial coronavirus package more than three times the size of Trump’s request (“Pelosi’s incompetent.” He’s “Cryin’ Chuck Schumer”). He reversed his previous gushing praise and began to blame China for the virus, encouraging the use of nicknames like “Wuhan virus.” He picked a fight with the Postal Service, poured out tweetstorms about his predecessor, whom he accused of dark crimes, and above all, from before dawn till after dark every single day, he battled the press.

The death toll mounts. The economic damage is unprecedented.

Yes, he fights – and we all lose.

Mona Charen is a nationally syndicated columnist, a senior fellow at the Ethics and Public Policy Center, a contributor to The Bulwark, and host of The Bulwark’s Beg to Differ podcast.

how do we all llose? people who have jobs for the first time in awhile ( especially minorities), and who saw their tax rates go down, how did they lose under trump, exactly? disabled vets who had student loans forgiven, how did they lose? people, disproportionately minorities, who benefitted from criminal justice reform, how did they lose, Pete?
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USA 86,000 dead 15% unemployment
South Korea 260 dead 4% unemployment
Are you still proud of him
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The coronavirus pandemic is having an impact all over the world, but a disturbing trend is evident in the U.S.: People of color, particularly African Americans, are experiencing more serious illness and death due to COVID-19 than white people.
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USA 86,000 dead 15% unemployment
South Korea 260 dead 4% unemployment
Are you still proud of him
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those are corona virus deaths. are you saying that those deaths are a direct result of trumps personality? your article was about trumps demeanor. you pivot directly to coronavirus

policy decisions regarding the virus, were primarily made at the state level, not in DC.
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pete, one thing South Korea did, was ban travel. How was that received when trump did that here?
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All the efforts to gain more black support, if only marginally, have now run into one of the grimmest realities of the coronavirus: It is killing African-Americans at disproportionately high rates, and depriving them of jobs in high numbers as well.
Trump* has only fleetingly addressed the virus’s outsize impact on black Americans, and made no apparent effort to aggressively tackle the racial disparities, even as he continues his online appeals to black voters. Taken together, his lack of response, combined with political overtures, have cast into sharper relief his insensitivity about the unique concerns facing black Americans.
And now to rub salt in the wound, he’s attacking Obama.
That will be sure to get him the black vote.
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All the efforts to gain more black support, if only marginally, have now run into one of the grimmest realities of the coronavirus: It is killing African-Americans at disproportionately high rates, and depriving them of jobs in high numbers as well.
Trump* has only fleetingly addressed the virus’s outsize impact on black Americans, and made no apparent effort to aggressively tackle the racial disparities, even as he continues his online appeals to black voters. Taken together, his lack of response, combined with political overtures, have cast into sharper relief his insensitivity about the unique concerns facing black Americans.
And now to rub salt in the wound, he’s attacking Obama.
That will be sure to get him the black vote.
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Correction...it's killing people who live a certain way in disproportionate numbers, and a disproportionate number of blacks choose to live that way (e.g., in urban areas). The disease doesn't effect blacks differently than whites. That's not the cause. But keep playing the race card.

We will soon see what his numbers are with blacks.

Blacks have a higher percentage of obesity than whites, a higher percentage of diabetes than whites, and a higher percentage have high blood pressure than whites. These are all factors that put people into higher risk categories for issues from Covid-19.

There also seems to be a possible link to Sickle Cell disease putting people into a high risk category as well.
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When the history is written of how America handled the global era’s first real pandemic, March 6th will leap out of the timeline. That was the day Donald Trump visited the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in Atlanta. His foray to the world’s best disease research body was meant to showcase that America had everything under control. It came midway between the time he was still denying the coronavirus posed a threat and the moment he said he had always known it could ravage America.

Shortly before the CDC visit, Trump said “within a couple of days, [infections are] going to be down to close to zero”. The US then had 15 cases. “One day, it’s like a miracle, it will disappear.” A few days afterwards, he claimed: “I’ve felt it was a pandemic long before it was called a pandemic.” That afternoon at the CDC provides an X-ray into Trump’s mind at the halfway point between denial and acceptance.

We now know that Covid-19 had already passed the breakout point in the US. The contagion had been spreading for weeks in New York, Washington state and other clusters. The curve was pointing sharply upwards. Trump’s goal in Atlanta was to assert the opposite.

Wearing his “Keep America Great” baseball cap, the US president was flanked by Robert Redfield, head of the CDC, Alex Azar, the US secretary of health and human services, and Brian Kemp, governor of Georgia. In his 47-minute interaction with the press, Trump rattled through his greatest hits.

He dismissed CNN as fake news, boasted about his high Fox News viewership, cited the US stock market’s recent highs, called Washington state’s Democratic governor a “snake” and admitted he hadn’t known that large numbers of people could die from ordinary flu. He also misunderstood a question on whether he should cancel campaign rallies for public health reasons. “I haven’t had any problems filling [the stadiums],” Trump said.

What caught the media’s attention were two comments he made about the disease. There would be four million testing kits available within a week. “The tests are beautiful,” he said. “Anybody that needs a test gets a test.”

Ten weeks later, that is still not close to being true. Fewer than 3 per cent of Americans had been tested by mid-May. Trump also boasted about his grasp of science. He cited a “super genius” uncle, John Trump, who taught at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology and implied he inherited his intellect. “I really get it,” he said. “Every one of these doctors said, ‘How do you know so much about this?’ Maybe I have a natural ability.” Historians might linger on that observation too.

What the headlines missed was a boast that posterity will take more seriously than Trump’s self-estimated IQ, or the exaggerated test numbers (the true number of CDC kits by March was 75,000). Trump proclaimed that America was leading the world. South Korea had its first infection on January 20, the same day as America’s first case, and was, he said, calling America for help. “They have a lot of people that are infected; we don’t.” “All I say is, ‘Be calm,’” said the president. “Everyone is relying on us. The world is relying on us.”

America is first in the world in deaths, first in the world in infections and we stand out as an emblem of global incompetence

William Burns, former US diplomat
He could just as well have said baseball is popular or foreigners love New York. American leadership in any disaster, whether a tsunami or an Ebola outbreak, has been a truism for decades. The US is renowned for helping others in an emergency.

In hindsight, Trump’s claim to global leadership leaps out. History will mark Covid-19 as the first time that ceased to be true. US airlifts have been missing in action. America cannot even supply itself.

South Korea, which has a population density nearly 15 times greater and is next door to China, has lost a total of 259 lives to the disease. There have been days when America has lost 10 times that number. The US death toll is now approaching 90,000.

You can read the rest of it here, it's damning and that is putting it lightly. It's the economy or nothing and damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead. Good luck with that path, just know he will take no responsibility at all.

https://www.ft.com/content/97dc7de6-940b-11ea-abcd-371e24b679ed

Blacks have a higher percentage of obesity than whites, a higher percentage of diabetes than whites, and a higher percentage have high blood pressure than whites. These are all factors that put people into higher risk categories for issues from Covid-19.

There also seems to be a possible link to Sickle Cell disease putting people into a high risk category as well.
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All true plus lower income which prob. means lower access to healthcare. Maybe delaying going to hosp/Dr?

Blacks have a higher percentage of obesity than whites, a higher percentage of diabetes than whites, and a higher percentage have high blood pressure than whites. These are all factors that put people into higher risk categories for issues from Covid-19.

There also seems to be a possible link to Sickle Cell disease putting people into a high risk category as well.
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Correct. Whites with those conditions aren't faring well either, and healthy blacks who live in rural areas are doing just fine.

Blacks have a higher percentage of obesity than whites, a higher percentage of diabetes than whites, and a higher percentage have high blood pressure than whites. These are all factors that put people into higher risk categories for issues from Covid-19.

There also seems to be a possible link to Sickle Cell disease putting people into a high risk category as well.
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We are all the same except for the color of our bike shorts
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We are all the same except for the color of our bike shorts
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It’s all pink in the middle. :hihi: :hidin:
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We are all the same except for the color of our bike shorts
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:hihi:
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🎯
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We are all the same except for the color of our bike shorts
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More people should ride their bike as it will help them loose weight so they won't be overweigh slobs.

More people should ride their bike as it will help them loose weight so they won't be overweigh slobs.

Reading helps a lot also.
Especially with their spelling.
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Reading helps a lot also.
Especially with their spelling.
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Petty people with no intelligence comment on typos.

Where were you yesterday? Trying to find a job to earn some $.

You pathetic overweight loser.

I thought this thread was going to be about PaulS.....

Petty people with no intelligence comment on typos.



yet in many instances, read in context they are quite humorous...except to the humorless

yet in many instances, read in context they are quite humorous...except to the humorless

Just seems petty and snarky to comment. It would be interesting to hear from a Dr. about the Psych. of people who feel a need to do that.

Petty people with no intelligence comment on typos.

Where were you yesterday? Trying to find a job to earn some $.

You pathetic overweight loser.
I took the new boat for a ride to Menemsha where I picked up a friend. From there we went to Portsmouth RI and I dropped him off to get his big boat. Lots of pogies in Mt Hope Bay with bass under them. I brought a small setup and caught a couple. I had the boat back in the slip by 1230. From there I went to the garden for a few hours of work. It’s coming along nicely but would benefit from some warmth. After that I took out the fat bike for some trail riding with my youngest son,who just had put a new rear tire on.
Any idea what an older Litespeed Vortex may be worth? Fat guys look funny with skinny tires. Good luck with the spelling challenges.
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I used to ride with a very big guy who would get a new Cannondale bike wholesale every year directly from the headquarters. He would build it himself and then sell it the following year for more than he paid for it. Cannondale came out with a new line of clothing one year and sent him samples w/no coloring - plain white. First time he wore it I told him he looked like the Pillsbury doughboy.

Not a lot of titanium bikes around as people moved to carbon. Litespeed always were great bikes. The prices are probably all over the place bc people paid a lot, prob. took great care of them so want some % of what they paid.

Just seems petty and snarky to comment. It would be interesting to hear from a Dr. about the Psych. of people who feel a need to do that.

let's ask pete...he knows everything

Here's a guy that knows everything, he's got a good you-know-what and he certainly could use your help with grammar and spelling.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYQvWuiXC8c&t=12s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6h-KyntGTnQ

The document that was produced during the Bush and Obama administrations was an outline of method of response by a bureaucracy and gets fleshed out by the people involved when it occurs, do you honestly think that anyone thinks they are so prescient that they can predict exactly the issues any administration will have to deal with? If that plan had been dealt with, it should be volumes by now. Not a f'n binder.

Just like our military, all government agencies have plans to deal with things that might happen, not because we think that exact instance will happen but because we as a nation want to be prepared to deal with it if it or something similar happens and we have to deal with some untoward occurrence.
Battle plans will always change, are never static and if you fail to react to circumstances on the ground, you will fail and your men will die.

Trump and his team are the case in point and they have failed horrifically.
It's not over yet, his lack of planning and rolling the dice for the best possible outcome will very likely kill many more. Remember these words "vaccine or no vaccine, we're back".

Trump* views it as his only choice, it's the economy comes back or he loses and likely goes to jail.

Your presenter, Kayleigh McEnany spent three years as a producer on the Mike Huckabee Show.

That's Sarah Sander's dad for those of you who don't know.

The father of a woman who also lied every day in the White House press room.

Honestly, what more do you need to know?

She did a great job of pointing out that you're depiction of Trump not doing anything or that he has no plan or that he is not a leader, etc. etc. etc , is full of chit.

When this was presented in March the White House dismissed it, saying that it envisioned a flu, not a coronavirus. Yet the scenario uncovered a government unprepared, with big shortages and an absolute lack of preparedness. Now the question is what the WH did with the knowledge gained.

It's obvious that this administration failed horrifically, with 88 thousand, 500 Americans dead and countless others suffering with the corona virus.
But you claim he is what?
A savior? A genius? or a barking carnival clown?

I think the latter

She presented different facts. I think hers were better.

She presented different facts. I think hers were better.

The Trump* trademark “alternative facts”
So now it has gone from “Nobody knew” to “We have a binder”.
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The Trump* trademark “alternative facts”
So now it has gone from “Nobody knew” to “We have a binder”.
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We must understand, of course, all facts different than yours are alternative.

Anyway . . . hers were better than yours.

We must understand, of course, all facts different than yours are alternative.

Anyway . . . hers were better than yours.
Yet you claim the converse despite the words of Trump* claiming that it’s all under control, a hoax and yesterday, Eric the Dumber claimed once again it’s a hoax supported by Democrats and will disappear after Election Day.
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Yet you claim the converse despite the words of Trump* claiming that it’s all under control, a hoax and yesterday, Eric the Dumber claimed once again it’s a hoax supported by Democrats and will disappear after Election Day.
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"It" is a hoax. Depends, as Clinton my say, on what you mean by "it." No doubt, what Trump means is not what you mean.

When you run the government and fail miserably at it, and blame the government.
And you think he has a clue about how to make government work.
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Run the government?

Run the government?

Still waiting for the papers on this, though maybe he meant something else.:rollem:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dg3PkXt-Z_A

Trump officials blame U.S. death toll on CDC handling, Americans’ preexisting health conditions

Every one elses fault.. if TRUMPS people ran the titanic.. the excuses would have went like this if they knew how to swim it would be as bad, if they were takers they would have been able to buy better tickets and not get stuck in the hold.. or just their fault for getting on the ship in the 1st place
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Navarro: China Deliberately Allowed Coronavirus to Spread Outside Its Borders

Classic and the faithful response


Of course they allowed it to spread because it was a planned biological attack against the United States and all the European
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Still waiting for the papers on this, though maybe he meant something else.:rollem:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dg3PkXt-Z_A

Like all other humans, including all past POTUS's, he sometimes makes mistakes. Maybe he thinks that under a presidential national emergency a President has total power. Wait for the papers :rotflmao:

Navarro: China Deliberately Allowed Coronavirus to Spread Outside Its Borders

Classic and the faithful response


Of course they allowed it to spread because it was a planned biological attack against the United States and all the European
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Do you think China just made a mistake when they stopped travel to and from Wuhan to the rest of China when the virus hit, but it allowed millions to travel to the rest of the world from wuhan and from the rest of the world to Wuhan at that same time? That it was just a little slip in judgment? Just a bureaucratic error?

Do you think China just made a mistake when they stopped travel to and from Wuhan to the rest of China when the virus hit, but it allowed millions to travel to the rest of the world from wuhan and from the rest of the world to Wuhan at that same time? That it was just a little slip in judgment? Just a bureaucratic error?

nothing this administration says, can be true. everything is a lie. if trump says “ two plus two is four”, these people would shriek “the hell it is”.
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"So far we have lost nobody to coronavirus in the United States and you wonder if the press is in hysteria mode"

Do you think Trump was lying when he said he believed Xi?

Dead to date 91,306

Don't be Eric

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3UjNTnME4o


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8yOv4PwttM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rE-v0nnbHk

"So far we have lost nobody to coronavirus in the United States and you wonder if the press is in hysteria mode"

That may have been true at that time.

Do you think Trump was lying when he said he believed Xi?

Possibly. Suppose it depends on what thing Xi said that DT said he believed. Or maybe he was just being diplomatic. He certainly has doubts about some of the things Xi says now.

Dead to date 91,306

Ooops. That may have been true at the time, but it's probably a bit higher now. Stay with it and keep letting us know.

Don't be Eric


You too. And don't be Adam Schiff. He's probably told way more significant lies than Eric.

Do you think China just made a mistake when they stopped travel to and from Wuhan to the rest of China when the virus hit, but it allowed millions to travel to the rest of the world from wuhan and from the rest of the world to Wuhan at that same time? That it was just a little slip in judgment? Just a bureaucratic error?

do you think chinese had a virus net to stop it .. we couldn't stop it and still can't but you expect a different standard from the chinese


I doubt millions left wuhan to travel the world I do know

430,000 People Have Traveled From China to U.S. Since Coronavirus Surfaced
There were 1,300 direct flights to 17 cities before President Trump’s travel restrictions. Since then, nearly 40,000 Americans and other authorized travelers have made the trip,

nothing this administration says, can be true. everything is a lie. if trump says “ two plus two is four”, these people would shriek “the hell it is”.
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Jim thats what happens when you Lie ...please read the fable of the boy who cried wolf


Trump and his administration have squandered all the credibility they had long before Covid 19 ...

Jim thats what happens when you Lie ...please read the fable of the boy who cried wolf


Trump and his administration have squandered all the credibility they had long before Covid 19 ...

I'd say you guys, the ones who keep saying life as we know it cannot survive Trump, are the ones who need to read it.

I agree he's a liar. That doesn't mean every single thing he says, even the obvious, is false. You guys have a reflexive reaction to everything he says and does, a reaction that doesn't involve your brain at all.

do you think chinese had a virus net to stop it .. we couldn't stop it and still can't but you expect a different standard from the chinese


I doubt millions left wuhan to travel the world I do know

430,000 People Have Traveled From China to U.S. Since Coronavirus Surfaced
There were 1,300 direct flights to 17 cities before President Trump’s travel restrictions. Since then, nearly 40,000 Americans and other authorized travelers have made the trip,

You're saying China had no way to stop its residents from boarding international flights, and no way to stop foreigners from entering?

Do you understand how stupid that is? Again, you have to immediately embrace any anti-Trump explanation you can come up with, no matter how absurd it is. There's overwhelming evidence of what China did.

We "didn't" stop it. Not the same as "couldn't". We could have stopped it, but you all would have had exploded heads if Trump immediately banned anyone from coming or going back in December.

Taiwan stopped it, and they were way, way more at risk than we were. They had the will. We didn't even want to allow Trump to restrict travel from China, they all said the virus wasn't that bad.

When Trump wanted to act early on, they said he was overreacting. Now the same exact people, say he didn't do enough. That is a clear cut example of wanting to have it both ways. A common liberal trait.

China had no way to limit travel more than they did. How can you say that with a straight face?

You're saying China had no way to stop its residents from boarding international flights, and no way to stop foreigners from entering?

Do you understand how stupid that is? Again, you have to immediately embrace any anti-Trump explanation you can come up with, no matter how absurd it is. There's overwhelming evidence of what China did.

We "didn't" stop it. Not the same as "couldn't". We could have stopped it, but you all would have had exploded heads if Trump immediately banned anyone from coming or going back in December.

Taiwan stopped it, and they were way, way more at risk than we were. They had the will. We didn't even want to allow Trump to restrict travel from China, they all said the virus wasn't that bad.

When Trump wanted to act early on, they said he was overreacting. Now the same exact people, say he didn't do enough. That is a clear cut example of wanting to have it both ways. A common liberal trait.

China had no way to limit travel more than they did. How can you say that with a straight face?

So with a straight face are you suggesting China should have detained Americans from returning Home or other foreign nationals from returning.. funny you have great hindsight when it comes to China
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you dont seem to have the same hindsight with Trump's response


lets keep this simple.. do you agree with Navaro yes or no


Navarro: China Deliberately Allowed Coronavirus to Spread Outside Its Borders



saying they could have done more is not the issue. of course they could have done more Same goes for Trump..

But that's not what Navaro said : is it ...


and if yes How so??

I'd say you guys, the ones who keep saying life as we know it cannot survive Trump, are the ones who need to read it.

I agree he's a liar. That doesn't mean every single thing he says, even the obvious, is false. You guys have a reflexive reaction to everything he says and does, a reaction that doesn't involve your brain at all.

Jim when Are you just going to give up its Him not us thats the problem


US President Donald Trump has said he is taking hydroxychloroquine -

Speaking at the White House, he told reporters he started taking the malaria and lupus medication recently.

"I'm taking it for about a week and a half now and I'm still here, I'm still here," he said.



Asked on Monday what was his evidence of the drug's positive benefits, Mr Trump said: "Here's my evidence, I get a lot of positive calls about it.":kewl:

lets keep this simple.. do you agree with Navaro yes or no

Navarro: China Deliberately Allowed Coronavirus to Spread Outside Its Borders



I agree that not notifying the rest of the world that it had a problem with a novel coronavirus that was transmittable from human to human deliberately left the world vulnerable to the spread of the disease because it left countries who received travelers from china with no heads up to either restrict such travel nor to temporarily quarantine and test for travelers that did arrive from China. By the time the truth became known, it was too late to stop or severely limit the spread.

Yes, China did deliberately allow the virus to spread outside its borders.

Chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine cause a wide spectrum of neuropsychiatric manifestations, including agitation, insomnia, confusion, mania, hallucinations, paranoia, depression, catatonia, psychosis, and suicidal ideation. Stopping the drug could lead to resolution, but symptoms may not quickly resolve.
Now we can see the unfortunate causation for Trump*s recent rants.
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I agree that not notifying the rest of the world that it had a problem with a novel coronavirus that was transmittable from human to human deliberately left the world vulnerable to the spread of the disease because it left countries who received travelers from china with no heads up to either restrict such travel nor to temporarily quarantine and test for travelers that did arrive from China. By the time the truth became known, it was too late to stop or severely limit the spread.

Yes, China did deliberately allow the virus to spread outside its borders.

"Trump's glaringly obvious absence on the global stage colliding with his very public spiral as he loses his grip on the crisis... And his administration appears to be forming a circular firing squad with his trade advisor publicly blaming Trump's CDC director"
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"Trump's glaringly obvious absence on the global stage colliding with his very public spiral as he loses his grip on the crisis... And his administration appears to be forming a circular firing squad with his trade advisor publicly blaming Trump's CDC director"
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Attaboy, keep firing those mighty blanks.

Attaboy, keep firing those mighty blanks.

Trump* is moving into the Late Elvis stage of presidency. Everyone around him trying to make as much money as they can fast and the doctor is giving him whatever he orders up.

Trump* is moving into the Late Elvis stage of presidency. Everyone around him trying to make as much money as they can fast and the doctor is giving him whatever he orders up.

Elvis is still an idolized American icon.

Pete, are Trumps numbers collapsing, especially in swing states? CNN did a recent poll that had Biden up nationally, but had Trump up big in the swing states. I still don't know that I see Trump winning, but he's not collapsing the way you are trying to portray it.

Since the first huckster walked the planet, people who sell fake cures always pretend to take them.

Since the first huckster walked the planet, people who sell fake cures always pretend to take them.

Is Trump manufacturing hydroxychloroquine?

So with a straight face are you suggesting China should have detained Americans from returning Home or other foreign nationals from returning.. funny you have great hindsight when it comes to China
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you dont seem to have the same hindsight with Trump's response


lets keep this simple.. do you agree with Navaro yes or no


Navarro: China Deliberately Allowed Coronavirus to Spread Outside Its Borders



saying they could have done more is not the issue. of course they could have done more Same goes for Trump..

But that's not what Navaro said : is it ...


and if yes How so??

I honestly can't follow much of that gibberish. If you want to deny that China was grossly negligent in this, that's fine. The Gallup poll showed that America approves of the way Trump is handling this.

Meanwhile, Gov Cuomo defied all logic and forced nursing homes to admit covid-positive residents, when he knew there were tons of available hospital beds, and lots of people died as a result. This is irrefutable, yet the media won't touch it. DO you have an opinion, by any chance? Is that Trumps fault?

I honestly can't follow much of that gibberish. If you want to deny that China was grossly negligent in this, that's fine. The Gallup poll showed that America approves of the way Trump is handling this.

Meanwhile, Gov Cuomo defied all logic and forced nursing homes to admit covid-positive residents, when he knew there were tons of available hospital beds, and lots of people died as a result. This is irrefutable, yet the media won't touch it. DO you have an opinion, by any chance? Is that Trumps fault?

Funny how a yes or no answer is gibberish. On the use of the word deliberately...

Yes Fox has been trying to attack Cuomo

But the truth is. From the article. We can’t say for sure” whether the virus has spread because of the patients transferred under the state mandate,
But on fox that part doesn't matter and seems your hindsight only applies to everyone but Trump

seeing my wife works in a nursing home who 3 weeks ago tested all residents and staff had 2 postive and 1 staff postive all on a Covid floor ( if positive or if they went to the hospital, they stayed for 14 day when then returned then to their room if no symptoms)

They just had 32 new positives in 2day this week on a different floor , not in NY in MASS. So fox blaming Coumo isnt a surprise. Or them blaming china or the CDC anyone but Trump I get it ..

Moral of the story is nursing homes have the most vulnerable populations many have DNR,s and are older it's a perfect storm and its spread by Staff , it's a horrible fact , and there is not a thing you can do to stop it.. trust me they are trying to stop it .. wait till the states who have opened up full speed and all those nursing homes in those states allowing families to visit again . It's not going to be pretty,,,,

Funny how a yes or no answer is gibberish. On the use of the word deliberately...

Yes Fox has been trying to attack Cuomo

But the truth is. From the article. We can’t say for sure” whether the virus has spread because of the patients transferred under the state mandate,
But on fox that part doesn't matter and seems your hindsight only applies to everyone but Trump

seeing my wife works in a nursing home who 3 weeks ago tested all residents and staff had 2 postive and 1 staff postive all on a Covid floor ( if positive or if they went to the hospital, they stayed for 14 day when then returned then to their room if no symptoms)

They just had 32 new positives in 2day this week on a different floor , not in NY in MASS. So fox blaming Coumo isnt a surprise. Or them blaming china or the CDC anyone but Trump I get it ..

Moral of the story is nursing homes have the most vulnerable populations many have DNR,s and are older it's a perfect storm and its spread by Staff , it's a horrible fact , and there is not a thing you can do to stop it.. trust me they are trying to stop it .. wait till the states who have opened up full speed and all those nursing homes in those states allowing families to visit again . It's not going to be pretty,,,,
so you have no problem with forcing nursing home to admit covid-19 patients. at least when prominent democrats give such orders.

my company provides professional liability insurance to nursing homes. many nursing homes will be sued, simply for following that idiotic order. because people died. we, and other carriers, will in some cases be asserting that cuomo did this.

what does your wife’s home have to do with this? is it in NY? no one is saying that every nursing home
death in the country is because of cuomo. what we’re saying is that because nursing homes are so vulnerable, it’s beyond stupid to force them to admit covid 19 residents. a nursing home isnt a hospital.

i am not in the habit of dodging questions. i couldn’t understand your previous email.
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Is Trump manufacturing hydroxychloroquine?

Not likely, manufacturing things is never part of a con.
He’s just pushing it and nobody told him about the side effects.
Remember “I take no responsibility at all”.
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Not likely, manufacturing things is never part of a con.
He’s just pushing it and nobody told him about the side effects.
Remember “I take no responsibility at all”.
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He has mentioned the side effects several times. Actually, nothing you said here makes any sense.

I make no sense, listen to this fool.

He is spinning his failure into a good thing and you applaud him.

If a million were dead, he would tell you it could have been 2 million, but for him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5AGsXD47oF4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVJENCKjF-o

I make no sense, listen to this fool.

He is spinning his failure into a good thing and you applaud him.

If a million were dead, he would tell you it could have been 2 million, but for him.

Your spinning it as his failure. And he wasn't saying that an actual larger number of cases would be a good thing, but that the greater amount of testing finds more cases (the greater number to which he was referring) than would otherwise be known.

I would think that would be considered a good thing for those who consider testing to be the answer since finding more of the actual existing cases can result in more effective tracing and a better chance to contain the spread.

I'm sure that if a million were dead, you would say that if Obama or Biden were President there would have been only a few thousand or less dead.

so you have no problem with forcing nursing home to admit covid-19 patients. at least when prominent democrats give such orders.

my company provides professional liability insurance to nursing homes. many nursing homes will be sued, simply for following that idiotic order. because people died. we, and other carriers, will in some cases be asserting that cuomo did this.

what does your wife’s home have to do with this? is it in NY? no one is saying that every nursing home
death in the country is because of cuomo. what we’re saying is that because nursing homes are so vulnerable, it’s beyond stupid to force them to admit covid 19 residents. a nursing home isnt a hospital.

i am not in the habit of dodging questions. i couldn’t understand your previous email.
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It's so simple you cant follow along

Covid 19 is so contagious no matter if Cuomo never made them take them even it was to open beds in hospitals... its was going to get in nursing homes. , Hence wife's nursing home example they didn't get people from the Hospital and they still got hit and hit hard ,,

But with your mioptic view you only see what Fox tells you to see... cuomo equals. Nursing home deaths
And Trump taking hydroxychloroquine equals cure for covid. Neither conclusions are evidence based s what a surprise












EVERY NURISING HOME IN AMERICA IS FACING COVID 19 RAVAGING THEIR FACILITIES NO MATTER WHAT PROCEDURES THEY USE TO TRY TO PROTECT THEM...

and your always going to have some ambulance chaser wanting to sue because a 98 year old died. that's what they do at that age ... it's not Neglect if they get covid 19. IT Just sucks


More than 16,000 nursing home residents and staff have died from COVID-19, representing roughly a quarter of the nation's known coronavirus deaths. While dire, this figure is an undercount, experts warn, because not all states are publicly reporting data yet. In some states, more than half of coronavirus deaths have come in nursing homes.

https://www.aarp.org/caregiving/health/info-2020/coronavirus-nursing-home-cases-deaths.html

It's so simple you cant follow along

Covid 19 is so contagious no matter if Cuomo never made them take them even it was to open beds in hospitals... its was going to get in nursing homes. , Hence wife's nursing home example they didn't get people from the Hospital and they still got hit and hit hard ,,

But with your mioptic view you only see what Fox tells you to see... cuomo equals. Nursing home deaths
And Trump taking hydroxychloroquine equals cure for covid. Neither conclusions are evidence based s what a surprise












EVERY NURISING HOME IN AMERICA IS FACING COVID 19 RAVAGING THEIR FACILITIES NO MATTER WHAT PROCEDURES THEY USE TO TRY TO PROTECT THEM...

and your always going to have some ambulance chaser wanting to sue because a 98 year old died. that's what they do at that age ... it's not Neglect if they get covid 19. IT Just sucks

So somehow you know, that forcing nursing homes to accept covid-19 patients, didn't cause anyone else to get infected. Your background and experience qualify you to make that conclusion?

I've seen emails from doctors at nursing homes begging the state not to be so stupid.

"EVERY NURISING HOME IN AMERICA IS FACING COVID 19 RAVAGING THEIR FACILITIES NO MATTER WHAT PROCEDURES THEY USE TO TRY TO PROTECT THEM... "

I work in this space for a living. There are plenty of nursing homes that are unaffected - call it luck, call it aggressive quarantines, but many are unaffected. I do this for a living, this is part of my job. My underwriters and I talk to nursing homes every single day about what their exposure has been. I talk to 5 or 6 nursing homes a day, every single day. Many are fine.

So when you say every nursing home is ravaged, what are you basing that on, exactly? The one home your wife works at?

Ask ANY nursing home director if admitting covid-19 residents was a good idea. For Gods sake man, most nursing homes wouldn't allow visitors who tested negative. But they'll allow residents who test positive?

Obviously, even without that idiotic law, many homes would get ravaged. That doesn't mean the law didn't make it worse.

Anyway, I'm very very interested to know your expertise in this area that renders you qualified to draw that conclusion. And if Cuomo was a republican, you'd be blaming him for every nursing home death in NY.

Your spinning it as his failure. And he wasn't saying that an actual larger number of cases would be a good thing, but that the greater amount of testing finds more cases (the greater number to which he was referring) than would otherwise be known.

I would think that would be considered a good thing for those who consider testing to be the answer since finding more of the actual existing cases can result in more effective tracing and a better chance to contain the spread.

I'm sure that if a million were dead, you would say that if Obama or Biden were President there would have been only a few thousand or less dead.

No, what I would say is

1. He can’t brag about the economy, because we’re in a depression.

2. He can’t brag about his response to the virus, because it was #^&#^&#^&#^&ty.

3. So his campaign is gonna be a whole bunch of “voter fraud,” “Obama,” & the “deep state.”

4. Because he thinks his voters are stupid.

Is he right?
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No, what I would say is

1. He can’t brag about the economy, because we’re in a depression.

2. He can’t brag about his response to the virus, because it was #^&#^&#^&#^&ty.

3. So his campaign is gonna be a whole bunch of “voter fraud,” “Obama,” & the “deep state.”

4. Because he thinks his voters are stupid.

Is he right?
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"He can’t brag about the economy, because we’re in a depression"

(1) The thing is, you didn't give him any credit for the economy, before the impact of the virus.
(2) we aren't in a depression, no one is starving, people aren't losing their homes in big numbers, investment bankers aren't jumping out of windows. The economy didn't fail, it didn't even sputter. We chose to turn it off. Some states are slowly opening back up, and there's every reason to believe that most lost jobs will come back.
(3) I don't think most people blame Trump for the effects of the virus. Back in December, no one was advocating for the policies that might have helped us keep the virus out. In fact, most democrats and media pundits said that the one thing Trump did (restricting travel from China) was an over reaction.
(4) recent polling shows that Americans trust Trump on the economy more than they trust Biden.
(5) the Dow was at 20,000 when he took office. 3.5 years later, it's at 24,500. Is that a Depression? Unemployment is a disaster.

"He can’t brag about his response to the virus, because it was #^&#^&#^&#^&ty."

The polls don't suggest that. Attached is the most recent one I could find specific to the virus, he was at 50-50. So you can shriek this all you want. People don't agree with you. His personal behavior at the briefings was predictably bad. His policies, are not unpopular. Ask Govs Cuomo and Newsom.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/309593/americans-divided-trump-handling-covid-situation.aspx

"So his campaign is gonna be a whole bunch of “voter fraud,” “Obama,” & the “deep state.”

nope. He can legitimately claim some credit for what the economy was doing before we deliberately shut it off. He can claim some credit for the federal stimulus policies that are popular and that have kept the DJIA in the mid-20s, which I can't believe it didn't go much lower than that. He can claim credit for the fact that deaths will be nowhere near what was originally predicted. He can claim that Biden, as VP, was part of an administration that was likely involved in some serious fishiness regarding the Russia claims, and you can bet that Durham's investigation will conclude at a time most beneficial to the re-election. He can claim credit for keeping us safe from jihadists. He can claim credit for appointing the kinds of judges that people who elected him, wanted him to appoint. He can claim credit for helping to decrease tax rates for 60% of Americans, and for incentivizing American companies to bring back $2 trillion in profits that had been stored overseas. And he can claim that his opponent is a senile old jerk who can no longer string two sentences together, who is best known for being a democrat attack dog who calls everyone who opposes him, a racist...and who also has a problem with women. He can claim that Biden said that Trumps travel restrictions were an overreaction (meaning he didn't think the virus was serious enough to do that). He can claim he has been a friend to the unborn and to Christians.

That's not the whole story, obviously. There's all kinds of fair criticism. He's a jerk, he didn't build the wall he promised, etc...but if you think he has nothing to campaign on, we will see how wrong you are.

"Because he thinks his voters are stupid. Is he right?"

What do you think an intelligent Republican should do in November, Pete? Stay home? Vote for Biden? Move to San Francisco and become a folk singer of sociology professor?

Because he thinks his voters are stupid.

Is he right?


It's more likely that he thinks people like you are stupid.

The Stable Genius demonstrates his intelligence

"per capita relative to what?"

“When you say per capita, there's many per capitas...”

Trump yesterday: Mail-in voting leads to “forgeries” and “thousands and thousands of fake ballots.”

Trump campaign email yesterday to PA supporters: “Request your ballot and cast your vote from your own home.”

I don’t need to make stuff up like President Tweety and his accomplices
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I don’t need to make stuff up like President Tweety and his accomplices


And yet you do.

Trump yesterday: Mail-in voting leads to “forgeries” and “thousands and thousands of fake ballots.”

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"Absentee ballots remain the largest source of potential voter fraud" - said Jimmy Carter, when heading a 2005 report on federal election issues. Jimmy Carter.

When Donald Trump and Jimmy Carter both agree on the issue, it's pretty mush settled. That's the whole spectrum. Except for you. You are further out in the tail than both of those guys.

The art of the selective quote
Trump yesterday: Mail-in voting leads to “forgeries” and “thousands and thousands of fake ballots.”

Trump campaign email yesterday to PA supporters: “Request your ballot and cast your vote from your own home.”

He has less of a coherent message than his supporters
If you have no core belief, you never can sustain one.
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Voting by mail does not help Democrats more than Republicans and does not incubate fraud — but does generate a bit more turnout, a pair of academic studies out Thursday conclude.

The twin reports, one from Stanford and the other from the Union of Concerned Scientists, come as the debate about making elections more flexible in the face of the coronavirus has become increasingly partisan.
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Voting by mail does not help Democrats more than Republicans and does not incubate fraud — but does generate a bit more turnout, a pair of academic studies out Thursday conclude.

The twin reports, one from Stanford and the other from the Union of Concerned Scientists, come as the debate about making elections more flexible in the face of the coronavirus has become increasingly partisan.
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since democrats are the ones who ignore the obvious and deny that mailing in ballots is prone to fraud, obviously they feel it helps them.
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since democrats are the ones who ignore the obvious and deny that mailing in ballots is prone to fraud, obviously they feel it helps them.
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Did you vote back when you were deployed?

Did you vote back when you were deployed?

no one ever said you get 100% fraud with mail. but are you denying it’s easier to commit fraud with mail in ballots, than it is with voting in person?
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Did you vote back when you were deployed?

i’m sorry, if Pete is a mailman, and he knows how i vote, i don’t want to hand him my ballot and trust him to deliver it. no thanks.
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Someone’s projecting again
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NEW: The U.S. Attorney's Office and FBI in Philadelphia have announced the guilty plea of a local elections judge, Domenick J. Demuro there who took bribes in exchange for adding ballots to increase the vote totals for certain candidates.
U.S. Attorney @USAttyMcSwain says, “Demuro fraudulently stuffed the ballot box by literally standing in a voting booth and voting over and over, as fast as he could, while he thought the coast was clear."
This can’t happen with a mailed ballot. Fun fact.
Unless Jim’s your mailman.
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NEW: The U.S. Attorney's Office and FBI in Philadelphia have announced the guilty plea of a local elections judge, Domenick J. Demuro there who took bribes in exchange for adding ballots to increase the vote totals for certain candidates.
U.S. Attorney @USAttyMcSwain says, “Demuro fraudulently stuffed the ballot box by literally standing in a voting booth and voting over and over, as fast as he could, while he thought the coast was clear."
This can’t happen with a mailed ballot. Fun fact.
Unless Jim’s your mailman.
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Mailed ballots can be thrown in the garbage. Again, if you think that only right wing Trumplicans have this concern, I guess Jimmy Carter is a right wing Trumplican.

I'm not saying every single ballot that gets put in the mail is tampered with. Nor am I saying that there are no other forms of voter fraud. Nor am I saying that Republicans don't engage in fraud. All I'm saying, is that mail in ballots are easier to tamper with, than in person voting. I don't get why that's a controversial thing to say, but I also never would have thought it would be controversial to say "if you have a wee-wee, you pee in the mens room".

I’m far more concerned that so few citizens vote in this country than the largely imaginary voting fraud issue.
Blocking voters thru various machinations is the new President Tweety method.
Or just canceling an election like they did in Georgia, because of poorly drafted language in their constitution.
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I’m far more concerned that so few citizens vote in this country than the largely imaginary voting fraud issue.
Blocking voters thru various machinations is the new President Tweety method.
Or just canceling an election like they did in Georgia, because of poorly drafted language in their constitution.
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I'm far more concerned that so many citizens vote on the basis of leftist political propaganda.

So somehow you know, that forcing nursing homes to accept covid-19 patients, didn't cause anyone else to get infected. Your background and experience qualify you to make that conclusion?

yet you suggest it did cause people to get infected

I've seen emails from doctors at nursing homes begging the state not to be so stupid.

"EVERY NURISING HOME IN AMERICA IS FACING COVID 19 RAVAGING THEIR FACILITIES NO MATTER WHAT PROCEDURES THEY USE TO TRY TO PROTECT THEM... "

I work in this space for a living. There are plenty of nursing homes that are unaffected - call it luck, call it aggressive quarantines, but many are unaffected. I do this for a living, this is part of my job. My underwriters and I talk to nursing homes every single day about what their exposure has been. I talk to 5 or 6 nursing homes a day, every single day. Many are fine.

So when you say every nursing home is ravaged, what are you basing that on, exactly? The one home your wife works at?

Ask ANY nursing home director if admitting covid-19 residents was a good idea. For Gods sake man, most nursing homes wouldn't allow visitors who tested negative. But they'll allow residents who test positive?

Obviously, even without that idiotic law, many homes would get ravaged. That doesn't mean the law didn't make it worse.

Anyway, I'm very very interested to know your expertise in this area that renders you qualified to draw that conclusion. And if Cuomo was a republican, you'd be blaming him for every nursing home death in NY.

You just cant handle he gets better grades than trump on his Covid 19 handling :kewl:

no one ever said you get 100% fraud with mail. but are you denying it’s easier to commit fraud with mail in ballots, than it is with voting in person?
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your background and experience qualify you to make that conclusion?

I'm far more concerned that so many citizens vote on the basis of leftist political propaganda.

I’m far more concerned that the Russians are aiding Tweety again in this election and further destabilizing our country
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I’m far more concerned that the Russians are aiding Tweety again in this election and further destabilizing our country
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Actually, if Trump gets re-elected, and the Repubs win the House and Senate, that would go farther toward stabilizing our country than if the Biden-Ocasio Cortez-Omar-Bernie Sanders-Clinton-Pelosi-Schumer mess wins.

Actually, if Trump gets re-elected, and the Repubs win the House and Senate, that would go farther toward stabilizing our country than if the Biden-Ocasio Cortez-Omar-Bernie Sanders-Clinton-Pelosi-Schumer mess wins.

The sliver of voters who will ultimately decide this election, independents and moderate Republicans, correctly see Tweety as the ultimate Washington insider, someone who uses the power of the office to benefit himself, his cronies and his business interests.

The trends are not looking good for Tweety

“Fox News is no longer the same. We miss the great Roger Ailes. You have more anti-Trump people, by far, than ever before. Looking for a new outlet!”

It turns out that, just as you will never be woke enough, you will never be MAGA enough.

Biden is leading Trump among black voters 81% to 3%

National GE:
Biden 46% (+5)
Trump 41%

#Wisconsin:
Biden 48% (+10)
Trump 38%
.
#Pennsylvania:
Biden 48% (+9)
Trump 39%
.
#Michigan:
Biden 47% (+8)
Trump 39%
.
#Arizona:
Biden 45% (+4)
Trump 41%
.
#Florida:
Biden 45% (+2)
Trump 43%
.
#NC:
Biden 45% (+2)
Trump 43%

The sliver of voters who will ultimately decide this election, independents and moderate Republicans, correctly see Tweety as the ultimate Washington insider, someone who uses the power of the office to benefit himself, his cronies and his business interests.

The trends are not looking good for Tweety

“Fox News is no longer the same. We miss the great Roger Ailes. You have more anti-Trump people, by far, than ever before. Looking for a new outlet!”

It turns out that, just as you will never be woke enough, you will never be MAGA enough.

Biden is leading Trump among black voters 81% to 3%

National GE:
Biden 46% (+5)
Trump 41%

#Wisconsin:
Biden 48% (+10)
Trump 38%
.
#Pennsylvania:
Biden 48% (+9)
Trump 39%
.
#Michigan:
Biden 47% (+8)
Trump 39%
.
#Arizona:
Biden 45% (+4)
Trump 41%
.
#Florida:
Biden 45% (+2)
Trump 43%
.
#NC:
Biden 45% (+2)
Trump 43%

Wow!! Looks really good for you. Maybe you can relax now. Give your typing fingers a rest. Go fishing. Play golf. Eat, drink, and be merry for tomorrow Biden is certain to win.

The public is convinced

Wow!! Looks really good for you. Maybe you can relax now. Give your typing fingers a rest. Go fishing. Play golf. Eat, drink, and be merry for tomorrow Biden is certain to win.

Don't worry, I do all that.

It's not as hard as defending Tweety, who ruins the best laid plans of his supporters daily and then he blames them too.

Don't worry, I do all that.

It's not as hard as defending Tweety, who ruins the best laid plans of his supporters daily and then he blames them too.

It may be hard for you to comprehend that not only do we all do that, but that more elbow grease is not expended in defending Trump than you apply to convicting him.

See how quick he turns.
Funny how CNN stops being ‘fake news’ when he needs them. Tweety’s marks are on to the con and he knows it.

Tweety’s tweet today
Why doesn’t @FoxNews put up the CNBC POLL or the (believe it or not!) @CNN Poll? Hope Roger A is looking down and watching what has happened to this once beautiful creation!
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See how quick he turns.
Funny how CNN stops being ‘fake news’ when he needs them. Tweety’s marks are on to the con and he knows it.

Tweety’s tweet today
Why doesn’t @FoxNews put up the CNBC POLL or the (believe it or not!) @CNN Poll? Hope Roger A is looking down and watching what has happened to this once beautiful creation!
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Uuhh . . . yeah . . . we all saw that before you thought it was necessary to point it out for us. We know, by now, that's what Trump does. We don't like a lot of what he does. But prefer that to what politically correct, socially unjust, leftist transformation of America, that the Dems will do if they gain power.

Don't worry, I do all that.

It's not as hard as defending Tweety, who ruins the best laid plans of his supporters daily and then he blames them too.

Damn! I was hoping that the obvious collapse of Trump and the sure victory of Biden would release you from the laborious task of having to daily post your avalanche of Trump bashing. But . . . sigh . . . nah . . . your verbal diarrhea will just keep coming . . .

You should realize that while campaigns are dynamic, views on Tweety are static. That means he has a very high floor and a very low ceiling. It also means no matter how much Tweety’s campaign tries to make this campaign about anything other than his performance during the covid-19 pandemic, that is what 2020 will be about.
95,000 dead
Over 1.6 Million infected
And “I take no responsibility”
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You should realize that while campaigns are dynamic, views on Tweety are static. That means he has a very high floor and a very low ceiling. It also means no matter how much Tweety’s campaign tries to make this campaign about anything other than his performance during the covid-19 pandemic, that is what 2020 will be about.
95,000 dead
Over 1.6 Million infected
And “I take no responsibility”
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Thank you for informing me that Trump is trapped between a very high floor and a very low ceiling. It is obvious that he, being morbidly obese in such tight quarters, will be crushed by the inevitable next squeeze by floor or ceiling. Not a pretty picture for many of us, but for you, no doubt, a thing of beauty.

We can, then, look forward to your next batch of uplifting and charming news bites? Heaven knows, in these depressing times, we need some positive strokes.

Thank you for informing me that Trump is trapped between a very high floor and a very low ceiling. It is obvious that he, being morbidly obese in such tight quarters, will be crushed by the inevitable next squeeze by floor or ceiling. Not a pretty picture for many of us, but for you, no doubt, a thing of beauty.

We can, then, look forward to your next batch of uplifting and charming news bites? Heaven knows, in these depressing times, we need some positive strokes.

The floor and ceiling is Tweety’s approval rating, which has a historically narrow range and due to his divisiveness, real or perceived, he is unable to change it.

We will need a new President to have anything uplifting occur, victims don’t do uplifting and charming.
It’s not part of their schtick.
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The floor and ceiling is Tweety’s approval rating, which has a historically narrow range and due to his divisiveness, real or perceived, he is unable to change it.

We will need a new President to have anything uplifting occur, victims don’t do uplifting and charming.
It’s not part of their schtick.
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Of course . . . of course . . . you use all these marvelous and proven parameters of prediction. That's why you have been so consistently spot on with all your prognoses, projections, and conjectures.

And thanks much . . . it's a relief to come to the realization that we victims are not capable of saying or doing anything that might be uplifting. And, certainly, we possess no charming qualities whatsoever.

Of course . . . of course . . . you use all these marvelous and proven parameters of prediction. That's why you have been so consistently spot on with all your prognoses, projections, and conjectures.

And thanks much . . . it's a relief to come to the realization that we victims are not capable of saying or doing anything that might be uplifting. And, certainly, we possess no charming qualities whatsoever.
So you support Tweety because he is your fellow victim, shared values?
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So you support Tweety because he is your fellow victim, shared values?
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I support Trump because he's not a looney lefty. And I share most of his political and economic values as opposed to the political, economic, and social values of The Dem Party which has become looney lefty. And I certainly don't consider Trump to be a victim. Are you serious? The man is a multi-millionaire and President of the United States.

He has learned from the past mistakes of Repubs like the Bushes, Romney's, McCains, etc, who did not reply and verbally fight back against the constant lies thrown at them and about them by the Dems. What he is doing is not being a victim. It's just fighting back.

Of course, then, you can even try to marginalize and cheapen that by claiming that he's playing victim