Here we go again with the classic Republican mantra of voter fraud

Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
Absentee Ballots are a great way to vote for the many senior citizens, military, and others who can’t get to the polls on Election Day. These ballots are very different from 100% Mail-In Voting, which is “RIPE for FRAUD,” and shouldn’t be allowed! ( they are the same thing??)



this Time its mail in Ballots
so now allowing people how to use absentee Ballots during a pandemic to give them a choice over go vote or get an absentee ballot and choose how you wish to vote and be safe ... is seen as Bad and full of Fraud .. Classic

but get this Kentucky Secretary of State Michael Adams said he got his "head taken #^&#^&#^&#^& by some fellow Republicans for his plan to send every registered voter a postcard telling them how they can easily apply for an absentee ballot for the state's June 23 primary.

Republican state officials who want to expand absentee and mail-in voting during the pandemic have found themselves in an uncomfortable position due to their party's rhetoric.

President Trump has claimed repeatedly, without providing evidence, {no surprise }that mail-in voting is ripe for fraud and bad for the GOP.
He and other Republicans have charged that Democrats might use it to "steal" the election...

there are 21 states who already vote by mail in one form or another

Republicans are against early voting ( they call it early and often) they are against changing election day to the weekend they are against allowing poll stations or auto voting registration

Two-thirds of Americans (67%) say everything possible should be done to make it easy for every citizen to vote, but Republicans – especially conservative Republicans – are less likely to hold this view

Conservative Republicans are also the only partisan-ideological group in which a majority (60%) favors removing people from registration lists if they have not voted recently or confirmed their registration.

its funny the want to make it easy for states to open or Liberate them

but they are just the opposite when it comes to making voting easier for the working man ...

but they are just the opposite when it comes to making voting easier for the working man ...



voting actually isn't that tough...people "the working man" do it all the time and have for a very long time

Conservative Republicans are evil people and do nothing other than support the citrus Caligula.
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voting actually isn't that tough...people "the working man" do it all the time and have for a very long time

glad you think 53% of voters voted Avg the past 20 years for POTUS is a good thing and why try to make it easier to increase theses numbers

glad you think 53% of voters voted Avg the past 20 years for POTUS is a good thing and why try to make it easier to increase theses numbers

voting is a choice

Conservative Republicans are evil people and do nothing other than support the citrus Caligula.
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its their stance and policy in writing please dont let the facts muddy the conversation :btu:

Wayne, do you really not think that mail-in ballots are more conducive to fraud, than in-person voting?

What's the harm in expecting people to vote in-person if at all possible? It's amazing to me, that this is controversial.

For the people who don't vote, are most making a free choice? Or does the current system suppress them somehow?

need to force people to wear masks and vote....

But how can they gerrymander and restrict voting if they have to let people vote by mail?
I think if we could vote by mail or over the internet, most sitting POS politicians would be flushed out like soggy turds.
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its their stance and policy in writing please dont let the facts muddy the conversation :btu:

I am trying to bolster your viewpoint.👍🏿
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But how can they gerrymander and restrict voting if they have to let people vote by mail?
I think if we could vote by mail or over the internet, most sitting POS politicians would be flushed out like soggy turds.
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Gerrymandering is a separate issue, it should be barred. Both sides do it, and it should never be allowed. You can still gerrymander with internet voting, one has nothing to do with the other.

And I don't see that you answered my question.

I don't see how requiring in-person voting, favors one political party over the other. If anything, republicans tend to live in more rural areas, meaning they'd have to go further to vote.

Just imagine how many disillusioned voters will just let their 6 year old go ahead and check a box.
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I think if we could vote by mail or over the internet

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the russians like your idea

It’s all well and good to claim that going to vote is not dangerous because you can just wear a mask, the problem is that during this pandemic nobody wants to staff the polls and that itself creates lines and people being unable to vote
Are you willing to work on the election and be exposed to everyone in your district
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It’s all well and good to claim that going to vote is not dangerous because you can just wear a mask, the problem is that during this pandemic nobody wants to staff the polls and that itself creates lines and people being unable to vote
Are you willing to work on the election and be exposed to everyone in your district
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They've had elections recently in CA and WI. We have plenty of time to see if the polling volunteers got sick in big numbers.

It’s all well and good to claim that going to vote is not dangerous because you can just wear a mask, the problem is that during this pandemic nobody wants to staff the polls and that itself creates lines and people being unable to vote
Are you willing to work on the election and be exposed to everyone in your district
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Is that any different from staffing Walmart or the supermarkets. We ask them to show up every day, where we’re only looking for one day for the polls.

And yes, I would work the polls if needed.
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There have been issues with closed voting locations and with lines, long waits and polling places closing before all could vote in primaries this spring and primaries are not nearly the volume of a presidential election.

How do you determine an acceptable number of dead volunteers?
Or does right to life stop at birth?

If only natural selection included the Bitchslappedboy
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There have been issues with closed voting locations and with lines, long waits and polling places closing before all could vote in primaries this spring and primaries are not nearly the volume of a presidential election.

How do you determine an acceptable number of dead volunteers?
Or does right to life stop at birth?

As TDF said, we are asking Walmart employees to show up for very little pay. Why is this so different?

We accept some risk. If not, we would ban automobiles and have people walk around, think of how many lives that would save. But we don't do that.

There's always a trade off between safety and quality of life. We don't always strive to minimize death in every situation. Not even close.

Yes Pete, saying that we should live our lives but take precautions, is the same as saying "right to life stops at birth". That's precisely what we're saying.

Is that any different from staffing Walmart or the supermarkets. We ask them to show up every day, where we’re only looking for one day for the polls.

And yes, I would work the polls if needed.
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It hasn't worked for the primaries so far.

It's not something anyone other than the town clerk is required to do in Vermont and volunteers are hard to come by in town government even without a pandemic.

I assume your town would welcome the help, thanks for volunteering. If you do it, I'm sure you will find it educational and afterwards I'll ask you, if you think there is widespread election fraud.

Sorry Pete, you’re wrong and I don’t agree with you and nothing you say from here on out will change my mind.

The End
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Wayne, do you really not think that mail-in ballots are more conducive to fraud, than in-person voting?

What's the harm in expecting people to vote in-person if at all possible? It's amazing to me, that this is controversial.

For the people who don't vote, are most making a free choice? Or does the current system suppress them somehow?

republicans have been suppressing the vote for decades you must have missed all the examples Since the 2010 elections, 24 states have implemented new restrictions on voting. Alabama now requires a photo ID to cast a ballot. Other states such as Ohio and Georgia have enacted "use it or lose it" laws, which strike voters from registration rolls if they have not participated in an election within a prescribed period of time.

One must ask how did we vote before 2010 and why would the laws to vote need to be changed ?

do we cry military and other absentee ballots are riddled with fraud?
the below already do all mail ballots..

State Statutes on All-Mail Elections
States that conduct all elections by mail:
Colorado (CRS §1-5-401)
Hawaii (Hawaii Stat. §11-101)
Oregon (ORS §254.465)
Utah (Utah Code Ann. §20A-3a-302)
Washington (Rev. Code of Wash. 29A.40.010)

whats shocking is Mail in voting is controversial with only the ..republicans why? time and time again they cry voter fraud and then are not be able to present this massive fraud they insist exist

Voting is a choice why not make that choice as easy as possible

I dont trust Mobile voting or internet voting

being against mail in voting because the fear of voter fraud.. are the same people who protest state lockdowns crying freedom dressed for combat .. saying Covid 19 is a hoax when we know voter fraud is the real hoax but they will insist that :cheers2: its real

Voting is a choice why not make that choice as easy as possible

I dont trust Mobile voting or internet voting



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Wayne, do you really not think that mail-in ballots are more conducive to fraud, than in-person voting?

What's the harm in expecting people to vote in-person if at all possible? It's amazing to me, that this is controversial.

For the people who don't vote, are most making a free choice? Or does the current system suppress them somehow?

republicans have been suppressing the vote for decades you must have missed all the examples Since the 2010 elections, 24 states have implemented new restrictions on voting. Alabama now requires a photo ID to cast a ballot. Other states such as Ohio and Georgia have enacted "use it or lose it" laws, which strike voters from registration rolls if they have not participated in an election within a prescribed period of time.

One must ask how did we vote before 2010 and why would the laws to vote need to be changed ?

do we cry military and other absentee ballots are riddled with fraud?
the below already do all mail ballots..

State Statutes on All-Mail Elections
States that conduct all elections by mail:
Colorado (CRS §1-5-401)
Hawaii (Hawaii Stat. §11-101)
Oregon (ORS §254.465)
Utah (Utah Code Ann. §20A-3a-302)
Washington (Rev. Code of Wash. 29A.40.010)

whats shocking is Mail in voting is controversial with only the ..republicans why? time and time again they cry voter fraud and then are not be able to present this massive fraud they insist exist

Voting is a choice why not make that choice as easy as possible

I dont trust Mobile voting or internet voting

being against mail in voting because the fear of voter fraud.. are the same people who protest state lockdowns crying freedom dressed for combat .. saying Covid 19 is a hoax when we know voter fraud is the real hoax but they will insist that :cheers2: its real

I think that republicans have don terrible things to try and suppress the vote in some isolated cases. I don't see how telling people they need to show up in a 12 hour window, keeps more democrats from voting than republicans.

The right to vote is sacred. I have zero desire to put my ballot in my mailbox. I don't want anyone in my blue state who knows how I vote, to take it out of my mailbox. I don't want my mailman handling it. I want to know for sure my vote is counted. You can't guarantee that with mail, and don't even bother talking about internet voting, nowhere near secure enough.

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I think that republicans have don terrible things to try and suppress the vote in some isolated cases. I don't see how telling people they need to show up in a 12 hour window, keeps more democrats from voting than republicans.

The right to vote is sacred. I have zero desire to put my ballot in my mailbox. I don't want anyone in my blue state who knows how I vote, to take it out of my mailbox. I don't want my mailman handling it. I want to know for sure my vote is counted. You can't guarantee that with mail, and don't even bother talking about internet voting, nowhere near secure enough.

Iam not for internet voting either ..

From my understanding most places mail in ballots are just an option ..you can still go to your polling place
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Florida has determined a state law that would have required felons to pay any outstanding court fees and fines before they can register to vote is unconstitutional.

constitutional amendment overwhelmingly approved by Florida voters in 2018 overturning a 150-year-old law that permanently

Guess who passed this law Republicans!! they hold the majority in Fla because they didn't respect the will of the people ,, they did the only thing they know Cheat and voter suppression

30K More Registered Voters Than Eligible Voters In Detroit

https://www.gopusa.com/?p=89316?omhide=true

30K More Registered Voters Than Eligible Voters In Detroit

https://www.gopusa.com/?p=89316?omhide=true
And?? Are they all democrats?
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30K More Registered Voters Than Eligible Voters In Detroit

https://www.gopusa.com/?p=89316?omhide=true
So a tabloid quotes a tabloid who references a man who wrote a book about how the left is trying to steal the election.

Please go on.
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And?? Are they all democrats?
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Well . . . it is Detroit. The voting mechanisms and procedures are run by Democrats in Detroit. The chance that the 30,000 names, if such names actually exist and are alive, being Republican are slim.

But does that matter? We are told that voting fraud is mostly a hoax. And that the chances of mailed ballots being fraudulent are slim.

The fact that Detroit has gathered 30,000 fraudulent registered voters is obviously a fraud. So if a vote is cast for those fraudulent names, it will be a huge voting fraud--regardless of which party for whom the vote is cast. And if the ballots are mailed in, rather than cast in person, the fraud is not detectable.

The subject of your thread is voter fraud mantra.

We are told that voter fraud is negligible. And that there is no evidence otherwise. Right . . . .

And?? Are they all democrats?
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They are now....
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RNC Sues California Governor for November Mail-in Ballot Order

Shocking. Do they understand this isnt mandatory mail in voting you can still go to a polling station to vote..

But why should facts matter

Love the fact that twitter put a fact check button on Trumps latest rant about how voter fraud will be wide spread if mail in voting is allowed, not that any study ever done has proven it is wide spread at all; in fact its very rare unless you are republican.

Love the fact that twitter put a fact check button on Trumps latest rant about how voter fraud will be wide spread if mail in voting is allowed, not that any study ever done has proven it is wide spread at all; in fact its very rare unless you are republican.

He administration allready saying its a plot by silicon valley Tec companies.

Donald Trump accuses Twitter of 'stifling free speech' with fact-check warning, says platform is interfering in US election
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POTUS Press secretary uses mail is voting claming the press missed what that means

In a statement emailed after the story published, McEnany said: “Absentee voting has the word absent in it for a reason. It means you’re absent from the jurisdiction or unable to vote in person. President Trump is against the Democrat plan to politicize the coronavirus and expand mass mail-in voting without a reason, which has a high propensity for voter fraud. This is a simple distinction that the media fails to grasp.”

However, Florida does not have absentee voting. Anyone can vote by mail here without a reason. The Times asked McEnany if Florida should change its law to restrict voting by mail to those unable to vote in person.

Guess who lives in Florida,, and she said she never lies

if pete was my mailman...I definitely wouldn't trust him with my mail-in ballot :hihi:

For decades Republicans have developed sophisticated programs to promote and harvest votes by mail. Across this country there are Republicans who would have lost without it. Now suddenly Tweety decides it's corrupt.

For decades Republicans have developed sophisticated programs to promote and harvest votes by mail. Across this country there are Republicans who would have lost without it. Now suddenly Tweety decides it's corrupt.

You make it sound corrupt.

NEW JERSEY NEWS

More Jersey Democrats Caught Committing Voter Fraud with Mail-In-Ballots

By Shore News Network
Posted on June 25, 2020

You make it sound corrupt.

Fake news
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Tweety logic

The number of Americans against me is rising, so I said to my people, slow the voting down please......
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Tweety logic

The number of Americans against me is rising, so I said to my people, slow the voting down please......
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That's actually pretty funny, and I can picture Trump saying it in exactly that same way with his Trumpian style. Of course, if he said it, it would no longer be a joke.

NEW JERSEY NEWS

More Jersey Democrats Caught Committing Voter Fraud with Mail-In-Ballots

By Shore News Network
Posted on June 25, 2020

no they have been charged .... and if True they should be punished.. they will have their day in court...

Here we go finding a needle and presenting it see ,,, look at the massive fraud..

its like the Guy who catches a cod fish while haddock fishing to then proclaiming that Cod fish have recovered .. cuz he caught One

no they have been charged .... and if True they should be punished.. they will have their day in court...

Here we go finding a needle and presenting it see ,,, look at the massive fraud..

its like the Guy who catches a cod fish while haddock fishing to then proclaiming that Cod fish have recovered .. cuz he caught One

easily triggered...:shocked:

AG Barr: “I think there's a range of concerns about mail-in ballots. ...But but one of the things I mentioned was the possibility of counterfeiting.”

NPR: “Did you have evidence to raise that specific concern?”

Barr: “No, it's obvious. It's obvious that it can be done”

Since 5 states have been doing it for a number of years it should be pretty easy to find evidence of fraud in any substantial quantity and Kobach's commission didn't find any either.

But in the end demonizing voting by mail will likely hurt the Reds more than the Blues, solely because of demographics.

AG Barr: “I think there's a range of concerns about mail-in ballots. ...But but one of the things I mentioned was the possibility of counterfeiting.”

NPR: “Did you have evidence to raise that specific concern?”

Barr: “No, it's obvious. It's obvious that it can be done”

Since 5 states have been doing it for a number of years it should be pretty easy to find evidence of fraud in any substantial quantity and Kobach's commission didn't find any either.

But in the end demonizing voting by mail will likely hurt the Reds more than the Blues, solely because of demographics.

Barr said counterfeiting mail in ballots was one of a range of concerns. The ability to counterfeit a ballot is not so far out of possibility as in how ballots have been counterfeited in other ways where the vote was not in person at the polling station.

As you said in post #37 "For decades Republicans have developed sophisticated programs to promote and harvest votes by mail." And there is this comment on harvesting votes by mail in The Federalist: "With ballot-harvesting, paper votes are collected by intermediaries who deliver them to polling officials, presumably increasing voter turnout but also creating opportunities for mischief." Also, in that article there was this "evidence":

In Florida, a Palm Beach Post investigation into numerous 2016 primary races uncovered significant evidence of voter fraud by Democratic candidates, who pushed back on any criticism by claiming racial discrimination.

Three Democratic candidates, County Commissioner Mack Bernard, state Rep. Al Jacquet, and a candidate for state Senate, Bobby Powell, all ordered mail ballots on behalf of constituents, in many cases without those constituents’ knowledge. Then, they either filled out the ballots for them or had them fill out the ballots while the candidates were present in their homes. All three candidates won on the strength of massive margins in absentee votes.

One Boynton Beach couple told the Post that Bernard just showed up at their door one day in August. Joseph Cerfius, a blind Haitian man, said he didn’t even know who Bernard was, or that he was a candidate for office. But Bernard produced a ballot, filled it out on Cerfius’s behalf, then actually signed Cerfius’s name.

“I couldn’t sign because I can’t see,” Cerfius said. “I gave him my voting card number. That’s all I did. He wrote my name.”

It is not unreasonable to see how mail in ballots could be counterfeited in a similar way by those who receive the mailed ballots either by personal pickup as above, or by those who receive them at the polling stations.

you can't put anything past the democrats or assume there is anything they won't do...they are encouraging lawlessness and mayhem right now...it's pretty shameful

Barr said counterfeiting mail in ballots was one of a range of concerns. The ability to counterfeit a ballot is not so far out of possibility as in how ballots have been counterfeited in other ways where the vote was not in person at the polling station.

As you said in post #37 "For decades Republicans have developed sophisticated programs to promote and harvest votes by mail." And there is this comment on harvesting votes by mail in The Federalist: "With ballot-harvesting, paper votes are collected by intermediaries who deliver them to polling officials, presumably increasing voter turnout but also creating opportunities for mischief." Also, in that article there was this "evidence":

In Florida, a Palm Beach Post investigation into numerous 2016 primary races uncovered significant evidence of voter fraud by Democratic candidates, who pushed back on any criticism by claiming racial discrimination.

Three Democratic candidates, County Commissioner Mack Bernard, state Rep. Al Jacquet, and a candidate for state Senate, Bobby Powell, all ordered mail ballots on behalf of constituents, in many cases without those constituents’ knowledge. Then, they either filled out the ballots for them or had them fill out the ballots while the candidates were present in their homes. All three candidates won on the strength of massive margins in absentee votes.

One Boynton Beach couple told the Post that Bernard just showed up at their door one day in August. Joseph Cerfius, a blind Haitian man, said he didn’t even know who Bernard was, or that he was a candidate for office. But Bernard produced a ballot, filled it out on Cerfius’s behalf, then actually signed Cerfius’s name.

“I couldn’t sign because I can’t see,” Cerfius said. “I gave him my voting card number. That’s all I did. He wrote my name.”

It is not unreasonable to see how mail in ballots could be counterfeited in a similar way by those who receive the mailed ballots either by personal pickup as above, or by those who receive them at the polling stations.

Oddly enough they are not in jail, are they?

It's also odd that Barr has no issue making claims in public with no evidence other than hearsay.
Quite the political presentation for an Attorney General, but it's not about the rule of law in this administration.

Looks like he can't win if it is allowed, so try to suppress it and if he can't suppress it he has an excuse for losing. See "millions of illegals voted."
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I am sure you must be correct. But we will wait and see what happens. PerhapsBiden will shatter the snowflake glass ceiling. Again
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I am sure you must be correct. But we will wait and see what happens. PerhapsBiden will shatter the snowflake glass ceiling. Again
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I really can’t believe somebody with a half-million dollar boat talks like this.

Nice work, if you can get it, guess?
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I really can’t believe somebody with a half-million dollar boat talks like this.

Nice work, if you can get it, guess?
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He didn't buy it, only pays for the gas.

Straight cash homie
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I really can’t believe somebody with a half-million dollar boat talks like this.

Nice work, if you can get it, guess?
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Don’t take it personally Rickman. Life is all about the journey so enjoy every moment.❤️
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I really can’t believe somebody with a half-million dollar boat talks like this.

Nice work, if you can get it, guess?
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Marry well and you might get one too
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Marry well and you might get one too
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Wait his wife bought it?
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The personal attacks are taking their toll.
Oh,the humanity!!!

Marry well and you might get one too
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#sailboatsmatter

Wait his wife bought it?
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This is speculation based on jealousy but I will pacify....

I met my wife when she was 19 and she was obviously swept off her feet.
After 6 years of dating she finally asked me to marry her.
She comes from a typical background,in other words not wealthy.
Nobody I know has worked as hard for their success as she.
The American Dream is alive and well for those with brains and big tits.
36 years later we are still in love
The end

He didn't buy it, only pays for the gas.

This is presented as evidence but as usual nowhere close to being accurate.
I love the attention regardless

Did someone strike a nerve
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Did someone strike a nerve
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sounds like triggered jealous leftists lashing out as usual...liberal privilege :rotflmao:

sounds like triggered jealous leftists lashing out as usual...liberal privilege :rotflmao:

If we could find someone here who's married to a doctor Maybe they can tell us about the psyche of snarky people
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If we could find someone here who's married to a doctor Maybe they can tell us about the psyche of snarky people
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ok

ok

Sounds right.

Tweety will defend a Confederate statue but not an American soldier.
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