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Jim in CT

05-21-2020, 08:09 AM

50% of the state of Connecticut deaths are in nursing homes. But jims upset that Cuomo gets higher marks for his handling of yhis crisis than Trump..

Yet is silent on Trumps excuses and perpetual blame game..

Now hes is once again spreading. Conspiracys about people suggesting they got away with murder while echoing his pals like stone and flynn got miss treated..

But i guess it. Acceptable For The POTUS to accuses other Americans and former President of Crimes.. but Cuomo bad for telling the Truth about deaths , cuz Trump waited months before he did a thing..

Taiwan has had less then 4 covid 19 deaths . Why do you think that is?
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"50% of the state of Connecticut deaths are in nursing homes"

CT is not unique in that regard, a huge % of the nationwide deaths are in nursing homes. The reason, is that the elderly are particularly vulnerable to this virus. Which is precisely why it's next-generation stupid to put sick people in a nursing home if hospital beds are available. You proved my point, not refuted it, by pointing out that many deaths are in nursing homes.

"is silent on Trumps excuses and perpetual blame game..'

That's just a lie. When small-minded people cannot respond to what is actually said, they respond to something that was never said. I have never defended Trumps antics, his vindictiveness, nor his refusal to accept responsibility for mistakes. Unlike you, my disdain for these traits is genuine not political. It is YOU who never stop defending the politicians who you happen to vote for. Are you ever critical of Bidens treatment of women? Or do you always defend it? I voted for Trump, but I have no problem admitting his many, many personal faults. It's you who can't do that for politicians on your side. Stop lying.

"but Cuomo bad for telling the Truth about deaths "

What "truth" did Cuomo tell, exactly? What are you referring to?

"Trump waited months before he did a thing.."

Another demonstrably false lie. He restricted travel from China, and democrats and media pundits (including Biden) said it was an overreaction, that the virus wasn't serious enough to justify that. Biden said that the travel ban was fear mongering and bigoted.

Which necessarily means that Biden wouldn't have restricted travel to the US. He didn't think the virus justified anything more. So please tell me, why any sane person should believe that we'd be better off right now, if Biden was POTUS?

WDMSO, who was saying at the time, that we needed to do more? Not Biden - he said Trumps travel restrictions were not necessary. Not the New York Times or the Washington Post, who went on and on and on about how the virus was less serious than the flu. Not Nancy Pelosi, who in late February was encouraging her constituents to go out in public. So who?

Jim in CT

05-21-2020, 08:14 AM

Taiwan has had less then 4 covid 19 deaths . Why do you think that is?
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Now that is a great question.

Taiwan took everyones temperature who tried to enter the country, and if you had a slight fever, you weren't getting in (so they had a travel ban that was more broad than Trumps, yet liberals said Trumps ban was too much).

Taiwan also had a very strict quarantine of people who tested positive, they tracked you with a phone, and if you left your house, the police came for you.

Should we have done that here? What would democrats and the media have said, back in December, if Trump proposed going that far? Don't you get it? Trump didn't do much back then, but the one thing he did, he was attacked for doing, because the democrats and the media said the virus wasn't serious enough.

So if democrats went berserk over Trumps restricting travel from Chinese nationals, you want us to believe they'd go along if Trump implemented the near-martial law that Taiwan implemented with their sick?

It makes no sense to me that Taiwan did as well as they did, and the whole world needs to know why, to see what we can learn. But it's preposterous for you to say that the country would have allowed Trump to do in December, what Taiwan did.

RIROCKHOUND

05-21-2020, 08:23 AM

Now that is a great question.

Taiwan took everyones temperature who tried to enter the country, and if you had a slight fever, you weren't getting in (so they had a travel ban that was more broad than Trumps, yet liberals said Trumps ban was too much).

Taiwan also had a very strict quarantine of people who tested positive, they tracked you with a phone, and if you left your house, the police came for you.

Should we have done that here? What would democrats and the media have said, back in December, if Trump proposed going that far? Don't you get it? Trump didn't do much back then, but the one thing he did, he was attacked for doing, because the democrats and the media said the virus wasn't serious enough.

So if democrats went berserk over Trumps restricting travel from Chinese nationals, you want us to believe they'd go along if Trump implemented the near-martial law that Taiwan implemented with their sick?

It makes no sense to me that Taiwan did as well as they did, and the whole world needs to know why, to see what we can learn. But it's preposterous for you to say that the country would have allowed Trump to do in December, what Taiwan did.

We will never know. Trump didn't try any of the above, and downplayed this for the first two months. Then yesterday he would do nothing different in his response.

Lots to learn at both the state and federal level on this one, we are lucky that this wasn't the 2-3% mortality otherwise we would have been #^&#^&#^&#^&ed.

Jim in CT

05-21-2020, 08:40 AM

If you believe in polls here you go

A new Quinnipiac national poll has Biden up 11% nationally, not a huge surprise given over polls showing Biden with a big national lead.

Biden 50%
Trump 39%
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I don't believe in polls, I used to, but how can you after 2016?

but if you believe in polls, CNN just had one done also that had Biden up big nationally, but down big in 15 swing states. Which as everyone (except the architects of the Hilary campaign, apparently) know, is all that matters.

I'm not saying I think Trump is going to win. Before the virus, I would have said yes, if the economy held. Now I don't know. What I do know is that all the pollsters were spectacularly wrong in 2016, and I don't know why I should believe they are more accurate today.

Jim in CT

05-21-2020, 08:44 AM

We will never know. Trump didn't try any of the above, and downplayed this for the first two months. Then yesterday he would do nothing different in his response.

Lots to learn at both the state and federal level on this one, we are lucky that this wasn't the 2-3% mortality otherwise we would have been #^&#^&#^&#^&ed.

True, and there are so many moving pieces, you can't assume that if we did what they did, the results would have been the same.

Bryan, is it relevant to point out, that the one thing Trump did back then (travel restrictions) was panned by the left as being an unnecessary overreaction?

It's easy, and not without some validity, to say Trump should have done more. But is there ANY reason to believe that democrats and the media would have been supportive if he went a lot further, back then? Back then, they were all saying that the virus wasn't as bad as the flu, that we didn't need to do anything drastic. I know that you don't suffer from the same selective amnesia that affects the other liberals here.

"lucky that this wasn't the 2-3% mortality otherwise we would have been #^&#^&#^&#^&ed"

100% agree.

Jim in CT

05-21-2020, 08:53 AM

Here’s another
new Quinnipiac national poll on whether Americans consider President Trump honest:

yes 34%
no 62%
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Here's news for you, I don't consider him honest. That should be 100-0.

I notice you didn't include the polls that ask if Americans trust him to run the economy more than Biden. How come?

Believe all women!

RIROCKHOUND

05-21-2020, 08:54 AM

True, and there are so many moving pieces, you can't assume that if we did what they did, the results would have been the same.

Bryan, is it relevant to point out, that the one thing Trump did back then (travel restrictions) was panned by the left as being an unnecessary overreaction?

It's easy, and not without some validity, to say Trump should have done more. But is there ANY reason to believe that democrats and the media would have been supportive if he went a lot further, back then? Back then, they were all saying that the virus wasn't as bad as the flu, that we didn't need to do anything drastic. I know that you don't suffer from the same selective amnesia that affects the other liberals here.

"lucky that this wasn't the 2-3% mortality otherwise we would have been #^&#^&#^&#^&ed"

100% agree.

You may be correct on some of this, but sentiment pretty quickly changed on the travel ban.

I would have settled on just having a consistent, fair-minded message on this, and ramping up the stocks of PPE, rather than blaming the last guy who left office 3 years ago....

Jim in CT

05-21-2020, 08:59 AM

the president of the United States decided to ignore the intelligence community and basic science Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device

So...when Biden said that Trump didn't need to restrict travel into the US back in January...what science was he relying on?

Pete, you can't have it both ways. You're saying that Trump was negligent for not doing more in December/January, and you may have a point there. But the fact is, Biden said Trump should have done even less than he did.

You're acting like everyone in the country was saying to do more in December, and Trump ignored them. That's not what happened. The democrats, and the media, wanted him to do less than he did, because they said the virus wasn't bad enough to justify anything drastic.

What "science" was Nancy Pelosi relying on in late February, when she went on TV and told her constituents it was safe to go out in crowded public places? Could you please just answer that one question? If you say Trump was negligent for not doing more in December, doesn't that necessarily mean that Pelosi was more negligent in late February for telling people to go out in public? Or did Trump trick her into believing that?

If you could respond to that without insulting my mother or my wife, that would be welcome.

Jim in CT

05-21-2020, 09:03 AM

You may be correct on some of this, but sentiment pretty quickly changed on the travel ban.

I would have settled on just having a consistent, fair-minded message on this, and ramping up the stocks of PPE, rather than blaming the last guy who left office 3 years ago....

"sentiment pretty quickly changed on the travel ban. '

I agree 100% on that. But at the time Trump restricted travel, he was advocating for more drastic measures, than most democrats and most in the media. So if Trump was wrong for not being more drastic, they were more wrong. That must be true. Because they wanted a less drastic response than what Trump called for.

"I would have settled on just having a consistent, fair-minded message on this"

Me too. And Trump isn't the guy for calm, consistent messaging. he's like George Steinbrenner in a panicked tirade, that's how I view his ability to communicate. He's not the guy I'd want to listen to, to restore calm and confidence. I'd trust his policies, but not his ability to articulate the policy in a reassuring way.

"ramping up the stocks of PPE"

He did do that, slowly, with help from the private sector.

We also blew the rollout of widespread testing. I'm not sure why, everyone points fingers, no one accepts responsibility, so I have no idea who to believe.

Pete F.

05-21-2020, 10:37 AM

Jim in CT

05-21-2020, 10:52 AM

Better read the record of what the Obama/Biden administration did during Ebola and H1N1
Far quicker and more effective than the head in the sand response of this administration
By the way believe all women was coined by David French, a conservative writer and has been used in baloney ever since
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Pete: Trump should have done more.

Jim: Biden said Trump did too much, so doesn't that make Biden more wrong than Trump was?

Pete: Obama was great.

As to 'believe all women', Biden said very explicitly during the Kavanaugh witch trials, that we have an obligation to presume that they are all telling the truth. That's what Biden said. Now he's changing is tune. Do you deny this?

Can you ever answer a question? If your beliefs cause you to freeze like a deer in headlights every single time someone asks you a fair and challenging question, what does that say about your beliefs? All you can do, is insult or pivot to a completely unrelated topic.

Back in January, Biden advocated doing less than Trump did. So if Trump was wrong for not doing enough (and I am sane enough to concede you have an argument there), Biden had to be more wrong.

You can't have it both ways. You can't say Trump was wrong for not doing enough, and suggest that Biden (who wanted to do less) would have done better.

Pete F.

05-21-2020, 11:13 AM

Jim in CT

05-21-2020, 12:03 PM

This is your unfounded and lying claim about what you say Biden did and would have done.
Show some proof, not just words out of context, with links to sources, or just keep repeating baloney like President Tweety
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biden said the travel restrictions were “fear mongering”. that’s what he said. out of context? how many contexts can you put that in? he didn’t think there was a valid reason to restrict chinese nationals from entering the US in January.
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Pete F.

05-21-2020, 01:56 PM

If only President Tweety had been as worried about his own handling of Covid-19 as he was about Obama and Ebola, here are a few of his hundred tweets at the time.
Unfortunately he listened to his own recommendations for Covid-19 containment advice and did his magic stop the flights and failed to push for a comprehensive screening and tracking protocol.

Jul 31, 2014
Ebola patient will be brought to the U.S. in a few days - now I know for sure that our leaders are incompetent. KEEP THEM OUT OF HERE!

Aug 1, 2014
The U.S. cannot allow EBOLA infected people back. People that go to far away places to help out are great-but must suffer the consequences!

Aug 4, 2014
The bigger problem with Ebola is all of the people coming into the U.S. from West Africa who may be infected with the disease. STOP FLIGHTS!

Sep 19, 2014
Why are we sending thousands of ill-trained soldiers into Ebola infested areas of Africa! Bring the plague back to U.S.? Obama is so stupid.

Oct 2, 2014
Ebola is much easier to transmit than the CDC and government representatives are admitting. Spreading all over Africa-and fast. Stop flights

Oct 4, 2014
Something very important, and indeed society changing, may come out of the Ebola epidemic that will be a very good thing: NO SHAKING HANDS!

Oct 10, 2014
Obama is making the Ebola problem much worse than it needs to be in the U.S. by not halting flights from West Africa. Airport testing a joke

Oct 11, 2014
Isn't it ridiculous, starting today, new Ebola screenings go into effect for people coming from West Africa. Just stop the flights dummies!

Oct 15, 2014
President Obama has a personal responsibility to visit & embrace all people in the US who contract Ebola!

Oct 17, 2014
The new Ebola czar will report to the WH & NSA adviser Susan Rice. More mismanagement & duplicity with CDC. Obama is terrible executive.

Nov 10, 2014
A single Ebola carrier infects 2 others at a minimum. STOP THE FLIGHTS! NO VISAS FROM EBOLA STRICKEN COUNTRIES!

Flights were never stopped
Testing and tracking was done
Hundreds of people were tested or monitored for potential Ebola virus infection, but two nurses were the only confirmed cases of locally transmitted Ebola. Public health experts and the Obama administration opposed instituting a travel ban on Ebola endemic areas, stating that it would be ineffective and would paradoxically worsen the situation.

No one who contracted Ebola while in the United States died from it. No new cases were diagnosed in the United States after Dr. Spencer was released from Bellevue Hospital on November 11, 2014.

Gut feelings have now been proven to work more than a hundred thousand times worse than science.

detbuch

05-21-2020, 04:05 PM

Fortunately for Africa, and for the rest of the world, the Chinese Communist Party was not in control in the African countries where Ebola outbreaks occurred.

There was no hiding or lying about the outbreaks. They were reported immediately, and the history of the disease was long enough by 2014, when Obama had to deal with it, to know how it spread and what precautions needed to be taken. He didn't have to deal with a situation, such as with our present coronavirus, in which the world is still grappling with how to fight it, and in which millions of people world wide had already unknowingly been infected and was secretly already spreading throughout the globe, and when realized, initially and falsely, operating under the notion that it was not easily spread human to human.

Also, the transmission of Ebola is more difficult than COVID-19 because it is not an airborne type, but done by actual contact with bodily fluids, which makes it far easier to contain.

The various cases in Africa were identified quickly and steps were taken there to keep if from becoming a pandemic, but maintaining it basically as various epidemics in regions of Africa. The work of identifying and controlling the epidemics was accomplished by various epidemiologists and medical experts from around the world including WHO. There was no CCP type of blocking foreign expert help.

All of that is the reason why Ebola was not a serious pandemic that affected the U.S. and the rest of the world. Ebola deaths outside of Africa are very rare.

If the CCP had immediately given an honest report of what it knew about the Wuhan virus and accepted experts from the U.S. and other countries to assist in identifying and controlling it, as had been done (and is being done) in Africa with Ebola, the virus probably would have been contained as localized Chinese epidemics, and the rest of the world would have been prepared, if necessary, in how to deal with travel restrictions, quarantines, preparations, and protocols from day one instead of having to deal with an already infected population by the time we became aware of its presence.

wdmso

05-21-2020, 05:04 PM

The Dad Fisherman

05-21-2020, 06:07 PM

all North Korea had their 1st case when we had ours .. 2 different outcomes

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Sea Dangles

05-21-2020, 06:32 PM

Alternative universe

Pete F.

05-21-2020, 08:53 PM

detbuch

05-21-2020, 10:53 PM

In Africa we had people on the ground immediately

Man, you totally ignored everything I said, then pretend that you responded to it. You're a real piece of work.

Africa did not cover up, hide, keep secret information about the Ebola. China initially did about the Wuhan virus and its nature and transmissibility.

Africa did not block us or others from going there to help. China did. We were not allowed to "immediately have people on the ground" there, and still are not allowed.

By the time of Obama's administration, Ebola was not an unknown quantity. There were no mixed messages about its transmissibility. There was no messaging by the WHO or the Dems or the media that Ebola was not that serious--as there initially was about COVID. It was well known how deadly Ebola was. There was already a several year history of it. And there were not large batches of travelers from the infected areas going to the rest of the world as there were with COVID.

Ebola is far easier to contain than COVID because it is not an airborne disease. It is transmitted by direct contact with human bodily fluids.

Ebola had already been breaking out in various clusters in Africa for almost 40 years before Obama's administration. The advanced world's medical communities were familiar with it and knew to contain it to the African areas where it periodically would break out. Which was not difficult to do because of its method of transmission, because it was immediately recognized by the rest of the world when it occurred, because the Africans were totally and immediately open and cooperative about it, because there were no large contingents of travelers constantly going to and from those areas and the rest of the other continents. And it was known immediately in those areas that quarantining and restriction of travel was necessary.

That's why Ebola was/is an epidemic, not a pandemic. And why it was not difficult to prevent it from infesting the rest of the world. Deaths from Ebola outside of Africa are very, very rare.

Comparing the open and cooperative African Ebola situation with what happened in Wuhan with the nature of the COVID virus and the nature of the CCP is ridiculous. Claiming that Obama (and all of Europe and Asia, etc.) did some great thing to prevent Ebola from spreading in the U.S. and that Trump is totally negligent and the cause of the COVID spread here is ignorant.

The CCP enabled the Wuhan virus to become a pandemic. It is a worldwide pandemic (not an epidemic like Ebola) because of China, not because of the U.S. or Trump. And it is telling that Trump haters somehow conveniently seem not to notice any culpability in the other advanced nations or the WHO for the same kind of blame they want to heap on Trump. They want to point out the supposed competence of SK or Taiwan, ignore the failures of everyone else, and isolate Trump as some sole bumbling outlier--which creates the appearance of him being uniquely incompetent in doing what was supposedly not that difficult, and especially if he had listened to some vague, unspecified intelligence.

It is also interesting how the Dems and most mainstream media pin the blame squarely on Trump and give China a pass. The CCP must be very happy about that.

But you really take the cake. You so often respond to posts, as you did here to my post, by basically ignoring their content and just using them as springboards for more Trump bashing rhetoric.

God . . . it's frustrating trying to have a rational conversation with you. It's as if you often get caught in some lie, or ignorance, and just move on as if it never happened.

wdmso

05-22-2020, 05:27 AM

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wrong korea :wall:

Sea Dangles

05-22-2020, 06:47 AM

Over 250000 have recovered from corona virus per Johns Hopkins.

Pete F.

05-22-2020, 07:27 AM

Man, you totally ignored everything I said, then pretend that you responded to it. You're a real piece of work.

Africa did not cover up, hide, keep secret information about the Ebola. China initially did about the Wuhan virus and its nature and transmissibility.

Africa did not block us or others from going there to help. China did. We were not allowed to "immediately have people on the ground" there, and still are not allowed.

By the time of Obama's administration, Ebola was not an unknown quantity. There were no mixed messages about its transmissibility. There was no messaging by the WHO or the Dems or the media that Ebola was not that serious--as there initially was about COVID. It was well known how deadly Ebola was. There was already a several year history of it. And there were not large batches of travelers from the infected areas going to the rest of the world as there were with COVID.

Ebola is far easier to contain than COVID because it is not an airborne disease. It is transmitted by direct contact with human bodily fluids.

Ebola had already been breaking out in various clusters in Africa for almost 40 years before Obama's administration. The advanced world's medical communities were familiar with it and knew to contain it to the African areas where it periodically would break out. Which was not difficult to do because of its method of transmission, because it was immediately recognized by the rest of the world when it occurred, because the Africans were totally and immediately open and cooperative about it, because there were no large contingents of travelers constantly going to and from those areas and the rest of the other continents. And it was known immediately in those areas that quarantining and restriction of travel was necessary.

That's why Ebola was/is an epidemic, not a pandemic. And why it was not difficult to prevent it from infesting the rest of the world. Deaths from Ebola outside of Africa are very, very rare.

Comparing the open and cooperative African Ebola situation with what happened in Wuhan with the nature of the COVID virus and the nature of the CCP is ridiculous. Claiming that Obama (and all of Europe and Asia, etc.) did some great thing to prevent Ebola from spreading in the U.S. and that Trump is totally negligent and the cause of the COVID spread here is ignorant.

The CCP enabled the Wuhan virus to become a pandemic. It is a worldwide pandemic (not an epidemic like Ebola) because of China, not because of the U.S. or Trump. And it is telling that Trump haters somehow conveniently seem not to notice any culpability in the other advanced nations or the WHO for the same kind of blame they want to heap on Trump. They want to point out the supposed competence of SK or Taiwan, ignore the failures of everyone else, and isolate Trump as some sole bumbling outlier--which creates the appearance of him being uniquely incompetent in doing what was supposedly not that difficult, and especially if he had listened to some vague, unspecified intelligence.

It is also interesting how the Dems and most mainstream media pin the blame squarely on Trump and give China a pass. The CCP must be very happy about that.

But you really take the cake. You so often respond to posts, as you did here to my post, by basically ignoring their content and just using them as springboards for more Trump bashing rhetoric.

God . . . it's frustrating trying to have a rational conversation with you. It's as if you often get caught in some lie, or ignorance, and just move on as if it never happened.

I read what you wrote, a lot of blaming others for Tweety's inaction.

You did not read what I wrote.
And nobody is giving China a pass, just trumplicans giving Tweety a pass.
Look at any number of other countries with smaller government agencies, less medical expertise and see how they did.
Nobody had magic, just payed attention and lead.
As I said

If Tweety has listened to our intelligence agencies rather than his good friend Xi many Americans would be alive today.
Tweety was more worried about cutting a “deal” with China than pushing Xi for access.
When you get your intelligence from Fox and the leader of a totalitarian government and don’t trust our organizations because you believe in wacko conspiracy theories you end up where we are today.
The Stable Genius is surrounding himself with more toadies everyday and expertise is not top of the list of qualifications.

Sea Dangles

05-22-2020, 07:30 AM

Bitchslappedboy is not paying attention.
Liberal fool��

detbuch

05-22-2020, 08:34 AM

I read what you wrote, a lot of blaming others for Tweety's inaction.

No, that's not what I wrote. What I wrote was a response to your comparing how Obama handled Ebola vs Trump and COVID-19.

You did not read what I wrote.

Yes, I did, and responded directly to what you wrote.

And nobody is giving China a pass, just trumplicans giving Tweety a pass.

If you don't point out or even discuss China's culpability, you're giving China a pass. Pointing out over the top criticism of Trump is a response to that criticism. Not responding to criticism of China is ignoring it and quietly giving China a pass.

Look at any number of other countries with smaller government agencies, less medical expertise and see how they did.
Nobody had magic, just payed attention and lead.

Some have done better, in numbers, than others. Being a smaller, less diverse, and less complex country would help in doing better. Being as large, diverse, and complex as the U.S. makes it more difficult. The U.S. is doing better than several (even most) other, even smaller, countries. The Wuhan virus is a PANDEMIC, not an epidemic such as Ebola is. COVID-19 is a worldwide problem that was caused to be so not because of the failures of all the world's nations, but because of China's failure to quickly report and contain it.

Focusing strictly on some presumed failure of the U.S., of, specifically Trump, is an intentional distortion, in my opinion, a politically motivated distortion of reality.

As I said

If Tweety has listened to our intelligence agencies rather than his good friend Xi many Americans would be alive today.

Yeah, you keep saying that, but never tell us exactly what the intelligence said. And the intel chief has said that your inference is wrong.

Tweety was more worried about cutting a “deal” with China than pushing Xi for access.
When you get your intelligence from Fox and the leader of a totalitarian government and don’t trust our organizations because you believe in wacko conspiracy theories you end up where we are today.
The Stable Genius is surrounding himself with more toadies everyday and expertise is not top of the list of qualifications.

And you end with your usual flourish of unsubstantiated, wacko, conspiratorial, opinion.

Pete F.

05-22-2020, 09:57 AM

And you end with your usual flourish of unsubstantiated, wacko, conspiratorial, opinion.

Now do Obamagate:
Four years ago, there was a global conspiracy—comprised of President Obama, Vice President Biden, Director of National Intelligence James Clapper, FBI Director Jim Comey, much of the FBI, the DNC, a company called CrowdStrike, multiple foreign intelligence services, and Ukrainian oligarchs—to undermine Donald Trump by planting a phony conspiracy theory that he was colluding with the Russians to win the 2016 election. These deep state operators framed several top Trump officials, fabricated evidence, and spied on the campaign with the end goal of committing the biggest fraud in American history in order to derail Trump.

And they kept it all secret till after the election, because..........

detbuch

05-22-2020, 10:26 AM

Now do Obamagate:
Four years ago, there was a global conspiracy—comprised of President Obama, Vice President Biden, Director of National Intelligence James Clapper, FBI Director Jim Comey, much of the FBI, the DNC, a company called CrowdStrike, multiple foreign intelligence services, and Ukrainian oligarchs—to undermine Donald Trump by planting a phony conspiracy theory that he was colluding with the Russians to win the 2016 election. These deep state operators framed several top Trump officials, fabricated evidence, and spied on the campaign with the end goal of committing the biggest fraud in American history in order to derail Trump.

And they kept it all secret till after the election, because..........

The Mueller investigation did not support the conspiracy theory that Trump colluded with the Russians. What you characterize here is being investigated. Information is dribbling out that gives credence to the investigation. As in the Mueller thing, we have to wait before making any conclusions.

Of course, asking you to wait would be futile.

Pete F.

05-22-2020, 10:41 AM

Have you read the Mueller report?
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detbuch

05-22-2020, 10:59 AM

Have you read the Mueller report?
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I read his conclusion.

Pete F.

05-22-2020, 12:25 PM

Jim in CT

05-22-2020, 12:28 PM

A whole paragraph
Some people never read anything that disrupts their view of the world.
I think there might be a condensed version on YouTube certainly as exciting as Molyneux or Bingbong
Don’t miss Volume 1
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So you're saying that while the summary concluded there was no proof of collusion, the report says there was. That's what you're saying?

Then there's the under-oath testimony of numerous Obama officials just released, where all of them admitted under oath they had zero knowledge of any collusion between the campaign and Russia. They all said very different things on TV.

detbuch

05-22-2020, 01:07 PM

A whole paragraph
Some people never read anything that disrupts their view of the world.
I think there might be a condensed version on YouTube certainly as exciting as Molyneux or Bingbong
Don’t miss Volume 1
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Molyneux and Bongino have been right about far more than the sources you trot out about the collusion and impeachment hoaxes. Bongino has written a book, Spygate, which is being proven prescient by the various documented discoveries being uncovered now. His daily youtube show consistently explains events that are happening now before they hit the mainstream. It appears to me that your one of those "some people" you speak of that don't read or watch things that disrupt their view of the world. And then you congratulate your ignorance by marginalizing and concocting disparaging labels for those you avoid listening to.

Pete F.

05-22-2020, 01:37 PM

detbuch

05-22-2020, 02:48 PM

IV. CONCLUSION
Because we determined not to make a traditional prosecutorial judgment, we did not draw ultimate conclusions about the President’s conduct. The evidence we obtained about the President’s actions and intent presents difficult issues that would need to be resolved if we were making a traditional prosecutorial judgment. At the same time, if we had confidence after a thorough investigation of the facts that the President clearly did not commit obstruction of justice, we would so state. Based on the facts and the applicable legal standards, we are unable to reach that judgment. Accordingly, while this report does not conclude that the President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him.

Just because I said I read the conclusion doesn't mean I didn't read anything else. I had read a whole lot more. I had read what you posted here.

What you have posted here refers to the second part of the report which dealt with obstruction. The "does not exonerate him" applies to the obstruction charge, not to the conspiracy charge which was dealt with in the first part of the report.

You originally responded to my saying that the Mueller report did not support the conspiracy theory that Trump colluded with the Russians--which was a response in support of your Obamagate "to undermine Donald Trump by planting a phony conspiracy theory that he was colluding with the Russians to win the 2016 election."

The first part of the report, which dealt with conspiracy, concluded that there is insufficient evidence to charge a broader conspiracy against the Trump campaign in relation to Russian efforts to interfere with the 2016 presidential election.

So, as I said, the Mueller report does not support the conspiracy theory that Trump colluded with Russia. So Obamagate may have some legs. That remains to be seen. I doubt that the DOJ will reach as high as the President, maybe, if at all, may charge some operatives in the FBI or CIA. Maybe Durham won't find sufficient evidence to charge anyone.

As I say, some of us wait and see. You seem to want to, by gleeful implication and conjecture, predict some criminal outcome against Trump, just as you implied and conjectured that Mueller would prove that Trump was a treasonous Putin Puppet, and that Trump was going down because of a whistleblower, etc.