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Pete F.

05-26-2020, 08:25 AM

Being prepared does not equate to the best response and in this case it certainly did not.

All states faced the same essential threat from this virus, and each government’s response is a kind of laboratory experiment.

The United States had the advantage of being struck late by the virus, and this gave us a priceless chance to copy best practices and avoid the mistakes of others.

Tweety #^&#^&#^&#^&ed it up. The previous administrations had developed a playbook for pandemic response that drew in part on lessons from other countries’ experiences, but the Tweety administration disregarded it. When China began confining millions of people to their homes in January, Tweety should have gotten the message.
We lost six weeks in the United States to prepare, to build ventilators, get PPE, organize our ICUs, get tests ready, prepare the public for what was going to happen so that our economy didn’t tank as badly. None of this was pushed by Tweety's administration. He publicly insisted it was no problem.

By one estimate, from the epidemiologists Britta L. Jewell and Nicholas P. Jewell, if social-distancing policies had been implemented just two weeks earlier in March, 90 percent of the cumulative coronavirus deaths in the United States during the first wave of the pandemic might have been prevented.
Just imagine what bad things would have happened if Tweety's pressers in the Rose Garden had from the start, adopted social distancing and masks.
The wimp is still too vain and weak to wear a mask.

Rather than using tests that the WHO had distributed, Tweety's CDC insisted on developing its own, only to botch it.
Nations such as South Korea and Taiwan raced ahead of the U.S. in their efforts to contain the outbreak and they did not have the pole position at the start of the race.

As a number of countries planned and prepared for economic recovery, the United States has spent lockdown treading water. It has yet to roll out robust testing across the country, despite Tweety’s assertions since March that anybody who wants a test can get one. It has also failed to develop contact-tracing systems, as other nations have, and to flatten the curve outside the New York metro region.

Tweety's an incompetent clown.

Pete F.

05-26-2020, 08:41 AM

Trump 1/27
"We are in very close communication with China concerning the virus. Very few cases reported in USA, but strongly on watch. We have offered China and President Xi any help that is necessary. Our experts are extraordinary!"

Source: Donald Trump, Twitter.com, Jan. 27, 2020

Biden 1/27
[President Trump is] "the worst possible person to lead our country through a global health challenge... The outbreak of a new coronavirus, which has already infected more than 2,700 people and killed over 80 in China, will get worse before it gets better. Cases have been confirmed in a dozen countries, with at least five in the United States. There will likely be more."

Source: Joe Biden, "Trump Is Worst Possible Leader to Deal with Coronavirus Outbreak," usatoday.com, Jan. 27, 2020

Biden Campaign event in Iowa: 1/31

"We have, right now, a crisis with the coronavirus. This is no time for Donald Trump's record of hysteria and xenophobia - hysterical xenophobia - and fearmongering to lead the way instead of science."

Source: Trevor Hunnicutt, "Biden Slams Trump for Cutting Health Programs before Coronavirus Outbreak," reuters.com, Jan. 31, 2020

First identified tweet about coronavirus by Joe Biden:

"We are in the midst of a crisis with the coronavirus. We need to lead the way with science — not Donald Trump's record of hysteria, xenophobia, and fear-mongering. He is the worst possible person to lead our country through a global health emergency."

Source: Joe Biden, Twitter.com, Feb. 1, 2020

Trump 2/3
Proclamation of travel ban on China effective Feb. 2:

"The entry into the United States, as immigrants or nonimmigrants, of all aliens who were physically present within the People's Republic of China, excluding the Special Administrative Regions of Hong Kong and Macau, during the 14-day period preceding their entry or attempted entry into the United States is hereby suspended."

Interview with Sean Hannity on Fox News:

"I think the 3.4 percent [global death rate] is really a false number... So, if we have thousands or hundreds of thousands of people that get better just by, you know, sitting around and even going to work -- some of them go to work, but they get better...But again, they don't know about the easy cases, because the easy cases don't go to the hospital...It's not that severe."

Source: Factbase, "Interview: Sean Hannity Interviews Donald Trump Via Telephone - March 4, 2020," factba.se, Mar. 4, 2020

Twitter:

"I NEVER said people that are feeling sick should go to work. This is just more Fake News and disinformation put out by the Democrats, in particular MSDNC. Comcast covers the CoronaVirus situation horribly, only looking to do harm to the incredible & successful effort being made!"

Source: Donald Trump, Twitter.com, Mar. 5, 2020

detbuch

05-26-2020, 09:55 AM

Actually it works just fine, leaders lead by example and his example, inaction, constant downplay, questioning the medical experts, to the refusal to wear a mask has cost more lives than have been taken by terrorists is this country. He loves big numbers, that’s not one he or you should be proud of. Carry on, back to fishing and golf.

No, the captain of a ship does not work "just fine" as a metaphor for President of the United States. See my above explanation for "example." And your cliche bromide "leaders lead by example" doesn't either. Different leaders lead in different ways. Even a given leader often uses different ways to lead. Captains of ships lead firstly by command. They may or may not have personal qualities that set examples that are worth following.

And the rest of your post here is just biased, slanted, opinion--an "example" of a sort of pontification. Carry on.

scottw

05-26-2020, 10:15 AM

Ask yourself the important question, who is caption of the ship

is this a trick question?

Got Stripers

05-26-2020, 12:04 PM

No, the captain of a ship does not work "just fine" as a metaphor for President of the United States. See my above explanation for "example." And your cliche bromide "leaders lead by example" doesn't either. Different leaders lead in different ways. Even a given leader often uses different ways to lead. Captains of ships lead firstly by command. They may or may not have personal qualities that set examples that are worth following.

And the rest of your post here is just biased, slanted, opinion--an "example" of a sort of pontification. Carry on.

My metaphors were perfect regardless of your opinion and here are some Trump metaphors the Post published for your displeasure.

Godzilla:
“He’s like Godzilla. Everything they throw at the monster makes him stronger.” — Bill Maher
A '90s rapper:
The whole thing is here from the now-defunct “Nightly Show.” (Basically he likes gold, he has his own cologne and vodka, and he has lots of beefs.)
DJ Khaled:
“Loud, arrogant, kind of corny. They both have catchphrases.” — comedian Hannibal Burress
A Batman villain:
“Is he like a Batman villain? In many ways he is. But our last guy in that office often reminded me of a Bond villain” — Batman writer and Trump voter Chuck Dixon
A carnival barker:
“We're not going to be able to solve our problems if we get distracted by sideshows and carnival barkers.” — President Obama in 2011
The whole carnival:
“He is less the carnival barker than the full cast — the lion, the fire-eater, the clown with the seltzer — all trussed into a single-breasted Brioni suit.” — New Yorker's Evan Osnos
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A Geiger counter:

Nicholas Kristof
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@NickKristof
Maybe Trump is like a Geiger counter: The more noise he makes, the closer we're getting to some big and radioactive truth. https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/835325771858251776 …
Donald J. Trump
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@realDonaldTrump
FAKE NEWS media knowingly doesn't tell the truth. A great danger to our country. The failing @nytimes has become a joke. Likewise @CNN. Sad!

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A Navy SEAL:
“As somebody said to me yesterday, Donald Trump is like a Navy SEAL; he never backs down when he’s in a fight” — Fox News's Steve Doocy
A cancer:
“Let no one be mistaken Donald Trump’s candidacy is a cancer on conservatism, and it must be clearly diagnosed, excised and discarded.” — Rick Perry (in 2015)
An autoimmune disease:
“ … The way this election is shaping up, the better analogy might be an autoimmune disease. Such illnesses result from our body’s natural defenses being marshalled against it with destructive results. Trump is exploiting our political immune system to the detriment and potentially grave peril of the republic. He’s taken what actually makes America great, the systems of government designed to foster public good — the courts, the press, our charity and financial systems — and used them for personal gain at the body politic’s expense.” — The Guardian's Lucia Graves
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A grilled cheese sandwich:
“I see a guy who seems to pause and dig for the more precise and better language he wants to use, and never finds it. It’s the same dish — it’s a grilled cheese sandwich rhetorically over and over again.” — Alec Baldwin
A serial killer (and the media is his prey):
SETH MEYERS: Yeah. It's a weird dance. It's like one of those movies where the serial killer is also clearly in love with the person who's trying to arrest him.
RACHEL MADDOW: So you're Clarice?
SETH MEYERS: Yeah, Clarice, yeah. The press is Clarice, and he's Lecter. It's like a cat and mouse game and like, he's definitely gonna kill some other people, but maybe not me.
A rattlesnake:
“It's like a rattlesnake taking a path through the dirt, but suddenly he shows off his fangs, and you don't expect that to happen with any of the others.” — New York Times columnist Frank Rich
A “wife who makes passionate love to you every day, seven days a week”:
“When you have a wife who makes passionate love to you every day, seven days a week, all men get up and smile my wife’s going to make love to me. When you have a wife who hates you and you sleep in opposite bedrooms, guess what? You wake up in a bad mood. So I’ve got a president who likes me now instead of one who hates me. Don’t you think it’s going to put me in a good mood and I’m going to want to hire people? Of course it does!” — former Libertarian Party vice presidential nominee Wayne Allyn Root
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Your drunk uncle:
“He reminds me of, like, your drunk uncle at a wedding who gets up and starts talking and just loves the crowd and just goes on and on and on and says whatever he can to get a reaction.” — Susan Sarandon
A monkey:
“The ego here is — well it’s something. By the way, his teeth come out like it's simian almost. It’s simian, like a monkey banging with a stick. You know, ‘I’m the biggest. I’m the biggest.’ Pounding his chest. It does have a simian quality to it, I mean primordial, I should say.” — MSNBC host Chris Matthews
A game show host:
“He came out of reality show television. He's like a game show person. There's no truth to it. There's no center to it. … With him, there's no beef there, there's no protein, there's no center.” — Richard Gere
A Real Housewife:

Andy Cohen
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@Andy
Sweetie you are a first season Real Housewife making stuff up to stay on the show. https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/843813078076719107 …
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@realDonaldTrump
What about all of the contact with the Clinton campaign and the Russians? Also, is it true that the DNC would not let the FBI in to look?

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A quarterback calling audibles:
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“It’s like running audibles at the line of scrimmage. What’s in his playbook? I’m sitting back watching y'all. I don’t want to offend nobody and say the nothing the wrong way, but at the same time I’m confused.” — Snoop Dogg
A random impulse generator:
“He’s so unpredictable. He’s so mercurial. You know, I would be no more surprised if he stood up there and declared amnesty for all illegal immigrants to the United States than if he said he was going to take them all out to be shot. He’s like a random impulse generator.” — Michael Chabon
A fall breeze:
“Like a brisk fall breeze through Amarillo’s trees, President Donald Trump’s first few weeks have brought forth all the country’s loose and flaky elements.” — Letter writer in the Amarillo Globe-News
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detbuch

05-26-2020, 12:43 PM

My metaphors were perfect regardless of your opinion

Your metaphor was ridiculous.

Jim in CT

05-26-2020, 02:30 PM

Your metaphor was ridiculous.

it is a bit off. we have congress and the courts to limit what potus can do. he’s not a dictator or the captain.
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wdmso

05-26-2020, 04:37 PM

i admit that your side said then, that he was overreacting. is that true, or is that false?

see, i put you in a box. because if you say it’s false, you’re lying. if
you admit it’s true, you’re admitting that back then, there was no urgency or will
to do more.

with the benefit of hindsight, he should have tried to do more. the left would t have tolerated it.

anyway, i’d live to see your answer to my true false question?
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admit it’s true, you’re admitting that back then, there was no urgency or will
to do more.

Your correct that's what Trump chose to do ... you can scream and yell what others said .. and no of that changes who was is charge who had the power to do more or do more with more urgency Trump sat on his hands ..

He only supports opening churches when his administration decides it's ok and anyone still doing it are attacking freedoms same with liberate Michigan..

Now it's with NC and the Convention he wants 100% attendance
:btu:

Jim in CT

05-26-2020, 05:15 PM

admit it’s true, you’re admitting that back then, there was no urgency or will
to do more.

Your correct that's what Trump chose to do ... you can scream and yell what others said .. and no of that changes who was is charge who had the power to do more or do more with more urgency Trump sat on his hands ..

He only supports opening churches when his administration decides it's ok and anyone still doing it are attacking freedoms same with liberate Michigan..

Now it's with NC and the Convention he wants 100% attendance
:btu:

i can admit what trump did. you guys cannot admit how liberals responded to what he did, you can’t admit to what pelosi and diblasio did. only trump makes decisions, we don’t have congress and governors.

wdmso, what’s your opinion on biden saying that trumps travel restrictions were just fear mongering? or on pelosi and diblasio advising constituents in late february to go
to crowded public places? can you comment on that? or can you only comment on trump?
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Got Stripers

05-26-2020, 05:31 PM

admit it’s true, you’re admitting that back then, there was no urgency or will
to do more.

Your correct that's what Trump chose to do ... you can scream and yell what others said .. and no of that changes who was is charge who had the power to do more or do more with more urgency Trump sat on his hands ..

He only supports opening churches when his administration decides it's ok and anyone still doing it are attacking freedoms same with liberate Michigan..

Now it's with NC and the Convention he wants 100% attendance
:btu:

For Trump it’s all about him, if the convention is full and loud he feels that’s a win and if that causes a significant number to die due to exposure so be it they sacrificed their lives for the a Trump rule to continue. It’s just like the push to reopen, he feels that’s his only chance to win if he gets things open and if it kills a significant number of those likely to contract covid, so be it as in his mind they weren’t voting for him anyway.

Take the simple thing like wearing a mask, to him it’s all about looking good, he couldn’t care less that the message being sent will cost lives. He doesn’t care about anyone but himself, hence the messaging from day one of this pandemic. His ego and childish self centered personality has cost more lives than any terrorists in the country have caused combined. He is one sick mother fu*ker, cold hearted and evil.

Nebe

05-26-2020, 05:44 PM

Seeing as how Wuhan welded housing complex’s gates closed so no one could leave home for 2 weeks, I’d say China was the most prepared.
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Jim in CT

05-26-2020, 07:34 PM

For Trump it’s all about him,

then you have that in common with him. because for you, pete, wdmso, it’s also all about him. there is nothing else.

you criticize him for wanting to open. not a syallable about pelosi
and diblasio telling people in late february to go out to crowded places. not a syllable. orangemanbad is all that matters.
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wdmso

05-26-2020, 07:52 PM

then you have that in common with him. because for you, pete, wdmso, it’s also all about him. there is nothing else.

you criticize him for wanting to open. not a syallable about pelosi
and diblasio telling people in late february to go out to crowded places. not a syllable. orangemanbad is all that matters.
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But but everone else

But but every one else

Your more like Trump then you think ..

Its always someones else's fault..

Except the guy whos in charge.. not sure how you constantly try to avoid that reality
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Got Stripers

05-26-2020, 07:53 PM

then you have that in common with him. because for you, pete, wdmso, it’s also all about him. there is nothing else.

you criticize him for wanting to open. not a syallable about pelosi
and diblasio telling people in late february to go out to crowded places. not a syllable. orangemanbad is all that matters.
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Jim turn your calendar it’s almost June for crying out loud, boy when you get your needle stuck, we need to bring in the jaws of life to free you.

Sea Dangles

05-26-2020, 08:10 PM

Not a lot of voters who are proud of Sleepy Joe right now. That is something that we can agree on.

Jim in CT

05-27-2020, 07:46 AM

But but everone else

But but every one else

Your more like Trump then you think ..

Its always someones else's fault..

Except the guy whos in charge.. not sure how you constantly try to avoid that reality
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You are the one dodging, not me. I can admit every single mistake Trump makes. You are the one who is incapable of criticizing any democrats.

What are you afraid would happen, exactly, if you just said "my god, Pelosi and Diblasio screwed up." Obviously they screwed up, the whole country knows they screwed up. Why can't you just say it?

Here's a hint...when I say "Trump screwed up", you can't then say I am shifting blame to others. I'm sorry if that;s going too fast for you.

Jim in CT

05-27-2020, 07:50 AM

Jim turn your calendar it’s almost June for crying out loud, boy when you get your needle stuck, we need to bring in the jaws of life to free you.

So you won't comment on what Pelosi and Diblasio did, because it was 2.5 months ago? Please tell us, what's the statute of limitations on gross irresponsibility? Obviously you have zero problem criticizing Trump for bad things he did going back a lot further than that.

So what, is there some kind of chart somewhere that only you have seen? A chart that lists every public office from president down to dog catcher, and it lists how long it's allowed to criticize them for awful mistakes? What's the time limit for the speaker of the house and mayor of new york, exactly?

You crack me up. The statute of limitations on Pelosi and Diblasio expired. I give you points for originality. No points for honesty though.

scottw

05-27-2020, 08:01 AM

No points for honesty though.

Originally Posted by Got Stripers View Post

Ask yourself the important question, who is caption of the ship

Quote:
Originally Posted by detbuch View Post

Your metaphor was ridiculous.

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

My metaphors were perfect regardless of your opinion

very trumplike....:tm:

Jim in CT

05-27-2020, 08:19 AM

Originally Posted by Got Stripers View Post

Ask yourself the important question, who is caption of the ship

Quote:
Originally Posted by detbuch View Post

Your metaphor was ridiculous.

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

My metaphors were perfect regardless of your opinion

very trumplike....:tm:

Very very Trumplike. I also like how he can just dodge a question until the statute of limitations is up, then it's no longer acceptable to ask said question. How convenient.

Sea Dangles

05-27-2020, 08:27 AM

He should pedal his lies elsewhere
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Got Stripers

05-27-2020, 11:43 AM

He should pedal his lies elsewhere
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No my metaphor was my opinion expressed in a way you could relate or bitch as the case may be and it fit perfectly. A lie is what comes out of Trumps mouth every day, opinion is one thing, Trump purposely lies and distorts facts it has been his MO forever. Jim gets his needle so stock on one point I find it far more amusing to watch him throw a tantrum and bitch about why I won’t comment on his January historic events; to comment would stop my fun.

detbuch

05-27-2020, 01:41 PM

No my metaphor was my opinion expressed in a way you could relate or bitch as the case may be and it fit perfectly.

You said "Ask yourself the important question, who is caption of the ship, if he steered the ship on the right course we collectively would not have run aground on the ledge. The caption owns it regardless of what others around him say or do,"

You made up your personal version of what the important question is, and your opinion was based on a false analogy. Comparing the President to a captain of a ship could only be valid depending on what you mean by "the ship." If by "the ship" you mean the Executive Branch of the Federal Government, the analogy would have some merit. But if by "the ship" you are referring to the United States, then either you believe that we are not the nation that was founded under the Constitution, or you believe that the Constitution gives the President nearly absolute power.

The President does not have a general power to control, direct, or command the other branches of government, nor the individual states, except within the limited power given to the Executive by the Constitution.

Whatever you think Trump should have done early, it would have been limited only to what the Congress and the Court and the States would allow. If he had wanted to "lock down" the country before those entities were willing to do so, he would not have been able to do it without their consent.

If Pelosi, and Cuomo, and the other Dem pols said it was okay to mingle in crowds without protection back then (and they did), he could not have imposed such a lockdown. He could only be "captain of the ship" of the executive branch. The other pols would be captains of their own little constitutionally limited "ships."

They would all "own" their decisions as "captains", as you put it, not just Trump.

The Founders would have been terrified of giving an overall captain-like power to the President. Or of giving that to any other politician. They viewed the citizens as sovereign, bound to government only by the limited consent they gave that government. They were not to be considered "sailors" under the command of some ship's captain.

A lie is what comes out of Trumps mouth every day, opinion is one thing, Trump purposely lies and distorts facts it has been his MO forever.

That is, on purpose, an opinion which is based on distortion and is your continual MO--just as was your distorted version of Trump being the captain of some ship that supposedly ran aground.

Jim gets his needle so stock on one point I find it far more amusing to watch him throw a tantrum and bitch about why I won’t comment on his January historic events; to comment would stop my fun.

So you're excuse for not answering Jim is in order to amuse yourself by watching him throw a tantrum?

Well, we have not have "collectively . . . run aground" as you put it. We are still "sailing" in the Covid storm. Making some headway. Doing better than most countries. Did those countries also "run aground"? Did they all have bad "captains"?

The only bad "captain" is Xi Jinping. China is more like a ship run by a captain than is America. And he is, no doubt, delighted to see us, and other countries, blaming their leaders rather than him.

We have such a great opportunity to use what China has done with this pandemic to bring down its communist regime, and free the Chinese people to truly join the rest of the world . . . but we would rather waste that opportunity and try to score political points . . . and by default let China off the hook . . . and give them the free ride to continue on its path to world domination.

I don't think you can answer Jim's question. I think you're too invested in your own distortions. I don't think you know what the right "important question," as you put it, is.

Pete F.

05-27-2020, 01:46 PM

Many people see Tweety for what he is, a failure.
Rasmussen: Trump approval falls four net points to 42-57, his worst approval since January *2018* and worst net approval since December 2017.

His strongly approve is at 30%, strongly disapprove at 47% - also hitting the lowest levels since January 2018.
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wdmso

05-27-2020, 01:52 PM

You are the one dodging, not me. I can admit every single mistake Trump makes. You are the one who is incapable of criticizing any democrats.

What are you afraid would happen, exactly, if you just said "my god, Pelosi and Diblasio screwed up." Obviously they screwed up, the whole country knows they screwed up. Why can't you just say it?

Here's a hint...when I say "Trump screwed up", you can't then say I am shifting blame to others. I'm sorry if that;s going too fast for you.

you have the funniests form of criticism when it comes to Trump its called blame Democrats .. it is your go to response

how can 2 people with zero power over the Government (not in the executive branch) have screwed Up in any concrete way that contributed to Trumps inactions and lies

You support a President who claims voter fraud one who promotes conspiracy theories on tweeter Because the guy criticizes him , who threatens the press and to shut down tweeter for exposing his lying

to steal a phrase I'm sorry if that;s going too fast for you. TDS is not what I suffer from ..

detbuch

05-27-2020, 01:59 PM

how can 2 people with zero power over the Government (not in the executive branch) have screwed Up in any concrete way that contributed to Trumps inactions and lies

WTH do you mean by "power over the Government"? That's ominous sounding stuff.

Got Stripers

05-27-2020, 02:01 PM

So you're excuse for not answering Jim is in order to amuse yourself by watching him throw a tantrum?

Well, we have not have "collectively . . . run aground" as you put it. We are still "sailing" in the Covid storm. Making some headway. Doing better than most countries. Did those countries also "run aground"? Did they all have bad "captains"?

The only bad "captain" is Xi Jinping. China is more like a ship run by a captain than is America. And he is, no doubt, delighted to see us, and other countries, blaming their leaders rather than him.

We have such a great opportunity to use what China has done with this pandemic to bring down its communist regime, and free the Chinese people to truly join the rest of the world . . . but we would rather waste that opportunity and try to score political points . . . and by default let China off the hook . . . and give them the free ride to continue on its path to world domination.

I don't think you can answer Jim's question. I think you're too invested in your own distortions. I don't think you know what the right "important question," as you put it, is.

You crack me up, you assume I read your posts:jump:

scottw

05-27-2020, 02:33 PM

No my metaphor was my opinion expressed in a way you could relate or bitch as the case may be and it fit perfectly. A lie is what comes out of Trumps mouth every day, opinion is one thing, Trump purposely lies and distorts facts it has been his MO forever. Jim gets his needle so stock on one point I find it far more amusing to watch him throw a tantrum and bitch about why I won’t comment on his January historic events; to comment would stop my fun.

sounds pretty evil...

scottw

05-27-2020, 02:35 PM

Jim in CT

05-27-2020, 02:51 PM

you have the funniests form of criticism when it comes to Trump its called blame Democrats .. it is your go to response

how can 2 people with zero power over the Government (not in the executive branch) have screwed Up in any concrete way that contributed to Trumps inactions and lies

You support a President who claims voter fraud one who promotes conspiracy theories on tweeter Because the guy criticizes him , who threatens the press and to shut down tweeter for exposing his lying

to steal a phrase I'm sorry if that;s going too fast for you. TDS is not what I suffer from ..

Sorry, clearly I have been going too fast for you.

I can criticize anyone who makes a stupid mistake.

You can't criticize Democrats for making mistakes.

Still going over your head? All you need to do, is comment on the statements made by Pelosi and Diblasio encouraging people to go out to crowded public places. Why can't you comment on that?

Jim in CT

05-27-2020, 02:55 PM

Jim gets his needle so stock on one point I find it far more amusing disconcerting to watch him throw a tantrum back me into a corner and bitch about why I won’t comment point out my naked hypocrisy on his January late February historic events; to comment would stop my fun public humiliation.

Fixed it for you.

Youre criticizing things Trump did/didn't do in December and late January, but it's not legitimate to criticize Pelosi or Diblasio for what they did in late February. How in Gods name does that make any sense, except to a blind ideologue who can't do anything that goes against the orangemanbad theme?

detbuch

05-27-2020, 02:59 PM

You crack me up, you assume I read your posts:jump:

I agree, you're cracked up.

Pete F.

05-27-2020, 03:42 PM

Pelosi traveled to Chinatown on Feb. 24 in an effort to bolster the neighborhood’s restaurants and shops. Their business had fallen sharply in the wake of the onset of the novel coronavirus pandemic, which originated in Wuhan, China, late last year.

The visit came three weeks before six Bay Area counties implemented shelter-in-place restrictions. On the day of Pelosi’s visit, Trump tweeted this about the virus: “The Coronavirus is very much under control in the USA. We are in contact with everyone and all relevant countries. CDC & World Health have been working hard and very smart. Stock Market starting to look very good to me!”

Should she have known he was lying then?

And why on May 22nd did he lie about this: Nancy Pelosi, a month later, was in Chinatown in San Francisco. She’s dancing in the streets of Chinatown, trying to say, “It’s okay to come to the United States. It’s fine. It’s wonderful. Come on in. Bring your infection with you.” And then she said, “He should have done it earlier” — about me. And she’s dancing a month later. These people are sick.

Pelosi traveled to Chinatown on Feb. 24 in an effort to bolster the neighborhood’s restaurants and shops. Their business had fallen sharply in the wake of the onset of the novel coronavirus pandemic, which originated in Wuhan, China, late last year.

The visit came three weeks before six Bay Area counties implemented shelter-in-place restrictions.

Got Stripers

05-27-2020, 04:01 PM

Fixed it for you.

Youre criticizing things Trump did/didn't do in December and late January, but it's not legitimate to criticize Pelosi or Diblasio for what they did in late February. How in Gods name does that make any sense, except to a blind ideologue who can't do anything that goes against the orangemanbad theme?

See the fun continues don’t burst a blood vessel.

Sea Dangles

05-27-2020, 04:59 PM

Jim in CT

05-27-2020, 05:39 PM

Jim in CT

05-27-2020, 05:42 PM

See the fun continues don’t burst a blood vessel.

Not sure why you assume it makes me angry to shred your arguments. It's fun, funny, and satisfying. Not the least bit annoying. But it's a nice way to avoid answering a simple question, I guess.

GS, what does it say about your beliefs, that in order to cling to them, you have to hide under your bed when I ask such a simple, and obvious, question? I can't imagine living like that. Like the other Trump haters, you're a slave to your ideology, which is why you literally cannot process that which goes against that ideology. Me, I go where the facts take me, which is a lot easier.

Got Stripers

05-27-2020, 05:46 PM

Not sure why you assume it makes me angry to shred your arguments. It's fun, funny, and satisfying. Not the least bit annoying. But it's a nice way to avoid answering a simple question, I guess.

GS, what does it say about your beliefs, that in order to cling to them, you have to hide under your bed when I ask such a simple, and obvious, question? I can't imagine living like that. Like the other Trump haters, you're a slave to your ideology, which is why you literally cannot process that which goes against that ideology. Me, I go where the facts take me, which is a lot easier.

It’s fun for you but there it is again, broken record to match the broken presidency.

Jim in CT

05-27-2020, 06:45 PM

It’s fun for you but there it is again, broken record to match the broken presidency.

anything we can do to get you to answer?

you’re right, we need more originality here. i know, a trump bashing post, that would be a refreshing change of pace. that’s not a broken record...
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Jim in CT

05-27-2020, 08:00 PM

wdmso

05-28-2020, 06:56 AM

i can admit what trump did. you guys cannot admit how liberals responded to what he did, you can’t admit to what pelosi and diblasio did. only trump makes decisions, we don’t have congress and governors.

wdmso, what’s your opinion on biden saying that trumps travel restrictions were just fear mongering? or on pelosi and diblasio advising constituents in late february to go
to crowded public places? can you comment on that? or can you only comment on trump?
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I am assuming you are referring to this Trump Lie

Trump also falsely said Pelosi visited Chinatown “to show that this thing doesn’t exist,” referring to the novel coronavirus. Pelosi never suggested that it didn’t exist. She stressed the need for “prevention, prevention, prevention” — urging people to be “concerned and vigilant,” but not “afraid.”

As for On Jan. 24, de Blasio said New Yorkers should "continue living as you have"; on Feb. 14 he said, "this should not stop you from going about your life ... from going out to Chinatown and going out to eat"; and on March 13, he reiterated "we wanted people to go on about their lives."

As mayor of New Your seem he was following Trump's lead on the topic now did he have the same info the Administration or just a crystal ball.. But clearly one have evolved on covid 19 and one has moved on back to but hurt mode

Trump to 'sign executive order about social media'

Got Stripers

05-28-2020, 07:10 AM

for the tenth time to the trump haters here...what was Biden saying in december/january that would allow any reasonable person to conclude, that we’d be better off today if he were president? back then he wasn’t calling for a drastic response. since then, most of what he says are the ramblings of someone clearly in the early stages of senility. so tell us what biden said back then, that makes you confident he’d have done a better job?

again, is there a reason none of you will touch this question? kind of a theme ( dodging obvious questions) with you guys, isn’t it?
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OMG if you give me that easy a question I have to answer, absolutely Biden having the same and better (since he wouldn’t
trash a pandemic team) intel would have saved so many lives and brought us back quicker. Oh and by the way all the crappy poorly thought out policy decisions wouldn’t have been made, our environment wouldn’t be under Trump’s attack, the list of benefits is a long one. Jim if your trying to stump me you really need to up your game.
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Sea Dangles

05-28-2020, 07:17 AM

Quite the debater

Jim in CT

05-28-2020, 09:00 AM

GS so nancy visits chinatown i’m late february, tells people its safe to go there, and all you can do is bash trump for his take on it.

the idea that trump ended the pandemic team, has been disputed or debunked.

if the intel existed that a good leader would
have reacted differently to to save more lives, how come no one of prominence was calling for drastic steps in december or january? the speaker of the house and mayor of NYC were telling people
to go out to crowded places in late february. you’re acting like any idiot should have known
in december to take drastic steps. what democrats were calling for that? none. yet only trump made the wrong call.
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Pete F.

05-28-2020, 10:03 AM

Who knew

Joe Biden
@JoeBiden
We are not prepared for a pandemic. Trump has rolled back progress President Obama and I made to strengthen global health security. We need leadership that builds public trust, focuses on real threats, and mobilizes the world to stop outbreaks before they reach our shores.
Quote Tweet

The Washington Post
@washingtonpost
· Oct 24, 2019
None of these 195 countries — the U.S. included — is fully prepared for a pandemic, report says https://wapo.st/361AXE3
4:32 PM · Oct 25, 2019·Twitter Web Client

Sea Dangles

05-28-2020, 11:15 AM

Clearly this man is gifted
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wdmso

05-28-2020, 11:24 AM

We have reached 100 thousand deaths and yet jim is more concerned about what the dems should have done, even though they dont control the executive branch

Why hasn't trump commented on this death toll..greater than the Korean war Vietnam and the wars in the gulf and Afghanistan and this happened in 3 months

Yet Trump and many of his supporters think its over. Let's hope it is ...

but as if on cue Trump moved on changed gears hes done with the idea of responsibility.. hes only interested in topics that make him look good with his base who still think this is still just a hoax

detbuch

05-28-2020, 12:39 PM

We have reached 100 thousand deaths and yet jim is more concerned about what the dems should have done, even though they dont control the executive branch

The Executive Branch Executes the will of the Congressional Branch.

Why hasn't trump commented on this death toll..greater than the Korean war Vietnam and the wars in the gulf and Afghanistan and this happened in 3 months

"President Trump on Thursday morning said that the United States had reached a "very sad milestone" in exceeding 100,000 deaths due to the novel coronavirus, expressing sympathy for those who have lost loved ones."--from The Hill.

Yet Trump and many of his supporters think its over. Let's hope it is ...

but as if on cue Trump moved on changed gears hes done with the idea of responsibility.. hes only interested in topics that make him look good with his base who still think this is still just a hoax

Obviously, since Trump is still invested in finding cures, including vaccines, he doesn't think it's over, maybe that the first phase is waning. He obvious feels a responsibility to fight the virus since he has spent so much time, effort, and political capital to do so. And it's a hoax to say that he claims the virus is a hoax. And it's kind of hoaxy to say he's responsible for 100,000 deaths, but claim he was not responsible for the good economy before the virus hit.

Got Stripers

05-28-2020, 07:29 PM

trump made the wrong call.
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Thankfully you finally got it.

Pete F.

05-28-2020, 08:04 PM

Obviously, since Trump is still invested in finding cures, including vaccines, he doesn't think it's over, maybe that the first phase is waning. He obvious feels a responsibility to fight the virus since he has spent so much time, effort, and political capital to do so. And it's a hoax to say that he claims the virus is a hoax. And it's kind of hoaxy to say he's responsible for 100,000 deaths, but claim he was not responsible for the good economy before the virus hit.

No, actually he has spent his political capital claiming it was under control, that he had spoken with Xi, blaming anyone possible or not and claiming he took no responsibility.
Meanwhile more than 100,000 Americans died of Coronavirus.
His playing doctor on his reality presidency show is easily seen as the actions of a desperate narcissistic weak man with a total lack of empathy.

That’s why his “ratings” are dropping, why the downticket polls are tanking and why the anti anti Trump* fluffers are panicking.
Keep flailing and claiming the Emperor has clothes.
The big orange baby is babbling away on Twitter and proving you wrong.
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detbuch

05-28-2020, 08:20 PM

No, actually he has spent his political capital claiming it was under control, that he had spoken with Xi, blaming anyone possible or not and claiming he took no responsibility.
Meanwhile more than 100,000 Americans died of Coronavirus.
His playing doctor on his reality presidency show is easily seen as the actions of a desperate narcissistic weak man with a total lack of empathy.

That’s why his “ratings” are dropping, why the downticket polls are tanking and why the anti anti Trump* fluffers are panicking.
Keep flailing and claiming the Emperor has clothes.
The big orange baby is babbling away on Twitter and proving you wrong.
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No, actually you're repeating biased stupid stuff much of which is simply untrue.

wdmso

05-29-2020, 06:05 AM

Funny he went from 90 minute briefing about covid 19 on national television

Yet 100 thousands deaths get a tweet

Not sure how a Trump supporter doesn't see this for what it is..

S

Sea Dangles

05-29-2020, 07:13 AM

Per Johns Hopkins, over 399000 Americans have recovered from corona virus

wdmso

05-29-2020, 07:20 AM

:kewl::kewl:Per Johns Hopkins, over 399000 Americans have recovered from corona virus

detbuch

05-29-2020, 09:03 AM

Not sure how a Trump supporter doesn't see this for what it is..

They see you for what you are.

Pete F.

05-29-2020, 12:04 PM

No, actually you're repeating biased stupid stuff much of which is simply untrue.

Unfortunately it's not untrue.

Wait till this afternoon when we see Tweety in his Rose Garden Presser try and pivot the attention from the virus to the riots.
Just like in the 1968 race, when Roger Ailes told Nixon to pivot from Vietnam to the post-King riots.
Nixon went full-on "law and order" not only about African Americans but also about the hippy proto-Bernie Bros in Chicago.

Ailes knew the secret "law and order" was a code for race and for culture anxiety in 1968. The language, the "Silent Majority" crap, the aggrieved whining is 1968 all over again.

Tweety wants the coverage of burning buildings. Tweety wants the cops v protesters.

By later today, you'll see posts about law and order backing a lawless and orderless Administration led by a criminal. Bannon, Miller, and the rest of the Trump fluffers ADORE this culture war.

They're ALREADY modeling how the rioting plays for campaign messaging, I promise you.

Also, 103,000 Americans are dead.

detbuch

05-29-2020, 01:32 PM

Unfortunately it's not untrue.

Unfortunately it's true.

Wait till this afternoon when we see Tweety in his Rose Garden Presser try and pivot the attention from the virus to the riots.
Just like in the 1968 race, when Roger Ailes told Nixon to pivot from Vietnam to the post-King riots.
Nixon went full-on "law and order" not only about African Americans but also about the hippy proto-Bernie Bros in Chicago.

Ailes knew the secret "law and order" was a code for race and for culture anxiety in 1968. The language, the "Silent Majority" crap, the aggrieved whining is 1968 all over again.

Tweety wants the coverage of burning buildings. Tweety wants the cops v protesters.

By later today, you'll see posts about law and order backing a lawless and orderless Administration led by a criminal. Bannon, Miller, and the rest of the Trump fluffers ADORE this culture war.

They're ALREADY modeling how the rioting plays for campaign messaging, I promise you.

You've already created another one of your models here, trying to shape the narrative in a negative light ahead of time. You do that a lot. I already saw a story posted today titled " 'Racist president': Democrats accuse Trump of inciting violence in Minneapolis." The spinners are joining you in doing their patented vicious character destruction campaign rhetoric.

Also, 103,000 Americans are dead.

And you've already modeled this number for us as meaning that is how many Trump has killed so far.

wdmso

05-29-2020, 01:35 PM

They see you for what you are.

Yes not one of the faithful. Putting Trump before country:lama:

detbuch

05-29-2020, 01:42 PM

Yes not one of the faithful. Putting Trump before country:lama:

Yes, you're one of the faithful leftist useful idiots.

Pete F.

05-29-2020, 03:34 PM

And you've already modeled this number for us as meaning that is how many Trump has killed so far.

Tweety announced the U.S. is officially leaving the World Health Organization in the middle of a pandemic.

WHO is currently coordinating international vaccine and drug trials to fight Covid19

Quite the trick for an American president to withdraw from leadership both at home and abroad in the same moment.

The White House promised that Tweety would hold a press conference, but the President came out, issued a statement, and ran for the door when reporters asked questions.

The whole event was a fiasco, and a disaster for Tweety, whose inability to take even the slightest bit of responsibility for his words leads to a perpetual cycle of political self-injury that he compounds by refusing to stand in front of reporters and answer the difficult questions.

When Tweety is in trouble, he hides.

The White House promised a press conference but delivered a panicked president in total collapse who took no questions.

Don't worry there's video

Sea Dangles

05-29-2020, 05:06 PM

America 1st

Pete F.

05-29-2020, 07:39 PM

Tweety today
"In order to show how mad I am at China, I will now cede more power and international leadership to the Chinese Communist Party."
Fluff him up followers
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Pete F.

06-19-2020, 08:43 PM

Covid is resurging,
30,000+ cases reported today—the highest total since May 1. Continue to pray for our country.
Meanwhile Tweety’s having his fluffer fest in a state with surging Covid-19
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Pete F.

06-21-2020, 05:01 AM

Just doing everything he can because it’s just the sniffles

"Here's the bad part: When you do testing to that extent, you're gonna find more people, you're gonna find more cases. So I said to my people, 'slow the testing down please!'" -- Tweety

Trump's failure to get us the testing we need has been one of the biggest reasons we haven't beat coronavirus. Now we know why.

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Got Stripers

06-21-2020, 07:06 AM

I guess the good news is a Trump invited over a million people and less than 7,000 show up, so maybe that means fewer stupid people spreading or taking the virus home to others.

Sea Dangles

06-21-2020, 07:13 AM

I guess the good knees is a Trump invited over a million people and less than 7,000 show up, so many that means fewer stupid people spreading or taking the virus home to others.

What does this even mean, stop your racist BS.

scottw

06-21-2020, 07:56 AM

Covid is resurging,

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need more massive protests...

Pete F.

06-21-2020, 08:00 AM

I guess the good news is a Trump invited over a million people and less than 7,000 show up, so maybe that means fewer stupid people spreading or taking the virus home to others.

What do a Tulsa Trump Rally and a Trump wife have in common? Nobody comes.
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RickBomba

06-21-2020, 10:42 AM

I love the fact that all the trumpanzees weren’t wearing masks last night.

Come on,
Trump
Brains
Matter
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Pete F.

06-21-2020, 10:59 AM

And the great data they got?
Apparently, Parscale forgot to put the "I am over 18" checkbox on the Tulsa signup screen so now he has the personal information of a unknown number, possibly a million or so minors. So the Trump campaign is likely in violation of COPPA....

That makes it garbage at best.

Tweety’s campaign looks like it’s really the Deathstar and the TikTok/Kpop rebels blew it up.
Once again demonstrating that Tweety’s idea of the best people is laughable
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RickBomba

06-21-2020, 11:04 AM

spence

06-21-2020, 11:07 AM

It was only half-full at the rally.

You see the third deck? Empty...

I can’t believe that out of all the red hats in the country, only 10,000 could make it to his dramatic return.

I love it!
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Fire department estimated the crowd at 6,200. The overflow rally had to be cancelled. I tried to watch some of it but there was nothing but the airing of petty grievances.

I really don’t understand how anyone can support this person.

What a flop. This is all they have.
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RickBomba

06-21-2020, 11:22 AM

Fire department estimated the crowd at 6,200. The overflow rally had to be cancelled. I tried to watch some of it but there was nothing but the airing of petty grievances.

I really don’t understand how anyone can support this person.

What a flop. This is all they have.
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I watched some of it and all I could think of was George Castansa’s dad’s story about Festivus.

I guess it was a rally for the rest of us.

Quick question, was his West Point appearance his Feat of Strength?

Maybe I should send him a stripper pole and say it’s for Festivus.
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Got Stripers

06-21-2020, 11:28 AM

What does this even mean, stop your racist BS.

If by that I’m racist because I detest dumb arses who don’t believe in science, color me a racist. I think your going off the rails, are you off your meds or is Trumps limp #^&#^&#^&#^& campaign concerning you?

spence

06-21-2020, 11:32 AM

Quick question, was his West Point appearance his Feat of Strength?
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You’d think instead of spending 10 minutes to explain why he had trouble with a glass of water or walking down a ramp he could have used that time to address covid or the protests. Wait, he really doesn’t care about either.
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RickBomba

06-21-2020, 11:32 AM

Navarro is getting crucified right now.

Our tax dollars at work.
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Got Stripers

06-21-2020, 11:32 AM

It was only half-full at the rally.

You see the third deck? Empty...

I can’t believe that out of all the red hats in the country, only 10,000 could make it to his dramatic return.

I love it!
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It could mean that Trump supporters who actually have a brain realized attending wasn’t worth the risk and then there are 6200 supporters who don’t have common sense and good judgement. I frankly am surprised SD’s better half didn’t spring for a charter flight and back stage pass, he clearly should have been there. Your biggest fans need to show up or shut up.

Pete F.

06-21-2020, 02:19 PM

The best take away from Trump’s rally is that racism isn’t as popular as it used to be.
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PaulS

06-21-2020, 03:32 PM

Did he talk at all about how is North Korean and Iranian policies worked so well? Did you give us an update when exactly he's going to wipe out the debt?
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spence

06-21-2020, 03:54 PM

Did he talk at all about how is North Korean and Iranian policies worked so well? Did you give us an update when exactly he's going to wipe out the debt?
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I think those topics were scheduled for the overflow rally.
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wdmso

06-21-2020, 05:34 PM

His campaign were digging in on it was fear of protesters or protesters not allowing people in..to the event.. video has disproved such claims but clearly they dont care....

reality collided with fantasy and cult of personality and empty seats

Pete F.

06-22-2020, 10:29 AM

detbuch

06-22-2020, 10:48 AM

The Trump admin. has been sitting on nearly $14B in funding that Congress passed for coronavirus testing and contact tracing.

Because if you don't test and don't trace contacts?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NEugeUuKKmQ

Watch the whole rally speech. It was spiced with a lot of humor--Trumpian humor. Your little video snippet doesn't do the tone and intention justice. It's a typical example of fake news.

From one of your favorite sources, The Guardian: "Navarro insisted Trump’s comment was 'tongue in cheek' and made in a 'light moment'. To Tapper’s contention that 'a deadly pandemic, where almost 120,000 Americans' have died might not be 'really a good subject for a light moment', Navarro said: 'He takes that absolutely seriously.' "

If you're used to Trump's style, you'ld take it for the "light moment" that it was. Of course, if you hate Trump you would absolutely say that he meant it.

Maybe some staffer will leak that he actually, seriously, requested that testing be slowed down. In the meantime, testing is voluminous.

Pete F.

06-22-2020, 12:08 PM

Watch the whole rally speech. It was spiced with a lot of humor--Trumpian humor. Your little video snippet doesn't do the tone and intention justice. It's a typical example of fake news.

From one of your favorite sources, The Guardian: "Navarro insisted Trump’s comment was 'tongue in cheek' and made in a 'light moment'. To Tapper’s contention that 'a deadly pandemic, where almost 120,000 Americans' have died might not be 'really a good subject for a light moment', Navarro said: 'He takes that absolutely seriously.' "

If you're used to Trump's style, you'ld take it for the "light moment" that it was. Of course, if you hate Trump you would absolutely say that he meant it.

Maybe some staffer will leak that he actually, seriously, requested that testing be slowed down. In the meantime, testing is voluminous.

The old fallback, he was being funny.

Meanwhile the Covid Task Force has disappeared, the testing for general admission to the WH has been dismantled and he sits on 14 Billion appropriated by Congress for testing and tracing while the 7 day average climbs to record highs in Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, California, Florida, Kentucky, New Mexico, North Carolina, Mississippi, Oregon, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas and Utah.

Not funny

detbuch

06-22-2020, 12:58 PM

The old fallback, he was being funny.

The old truth that is fodder for the typical made up, twisted, fake news.

Pete F.

06-22-2020, 01:54 PM

Sea Dangles

06-22-2020, 02:02 PM

He is clearly the greatest president of our lifetime.
Prepare for part deux.

detbuch

06-22-2020, 02:06 PM

And today when asked that question directly he didn’t answer.
Just like Ukraine, the gaslighting apparatus goes into operation.
In a week or so the new narrative will be, of course he did.
123,000 dead and he takes no responsibility
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Keep plugging diligently away, eventually your gaslighting may work.

Pete F.

06-22-2020, 02:13 PM

None required
The liberal plot to make Tweety look stupid, also known as “Operation Just Let Him Speak” is working splendidly.
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detbuch

06-22-2020, 02:21 PM

None required
The liberal plot to make Tweety look stupid, also known as “Operation Just Let Him Speak” is working splendidly.
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Yeah, it's been working splendidly for four years.

Pete F.

06-22-2020, 02:47 PM

Yeah, it's been working splendidly for four years.

Yea, and it shows

Now hiring: Unconfirmable Wackos, Dopes, Dogs and candidates who are as dumb as a rock

Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
I gave John Bolton, who was incapable of being Senate confirmed because he was considered a wacko, and was not liked, a chance. I always like hearing differing points of view. He turned out to be grossly incompetent, and a liar. See judge’s opinion. CLASSIFIED INFORMATION!!!
8:34 AM · Jun 22, 2020·Twitter for iPhone

Got Stripers

06-22-2020, 05:22 PM

He is clearly the greatest president of our lifetime.
Prepare for part deux.

I really think your meds need to be checked, clearly your not paying attention, or is this early dementia? So your guy spends 15 minutes of a poorly attended rally explaining why he looked weak walking down a ramp and you think his plan for the country is a good one? It’s all about him, I think Bolton is a selfish individual for coming out now about what we already knew just by watching three years, but this clown cares ONLY about Trump.

detbuch

06-22-2020, 05:49 PM

I really think your meds need to be checked, clearly your not paying attention, or is this early dementia? So your guy spends 15 minutes of a poorly attended rally explaining why he looked weak walking down a ramp and you think his plan for the country is a good one? It’s all about him, I think Bolton is a selfish individual for coming out now about what we already knew just by watching three years, but this clown cares ONLY about Trump.

It was typical Trump schtick using comedy to illustrate a point. I watched Trump's whole speech and it was laced with his brand of funny. I thought his enactment of the ramp thing was typical Trump sardonic humor.

You guys always manage to turn his schtick into psychopathic evil.

Got Stripers

06-22-2020, 06:11 PM

detbuch

06-22-2020, 06:41 PM

Trump recently stated he has done more for African Americans than anyone since Abraham Lincoln, he uses race to win elections, caring zip for anyone it’s all about him retaining the show and the power. In 2016 it was the dreaded immigrants streaming unchecked into our country, now he knows race issues may take him down in 2020, so it’s all spin now.

Abe Lincoln walked the first step, emancipation.
Abe didn't have the time, and probably not the inclination, to take the next necessary steps. A black analyst, Democrat, shows how Trump took further steps: https://www.newsmax.com/jackbrewer/trump-obama-hbcu-food-stamps/2019/07/12/id/924217/

And spin is the polish all politicians, media, and commentators use to embellish their "message." Your pointing to Trump using spin is, like, yeah . . . duh! Hey, you and I are devotees of the method too.

No need for you to be a hypocrite.

Tell me what 15 minutes of discussion about his ramp walk did to help you understand his 2020 platform? I was born, but not yesterday, I see this poser for who he is, I will vote him out and I hope the country agrees. This guy in four years will ruin this country, the environment, our relationships with our allies and embolden our enemies.

Generally, Presidents don't have a political platform, the political party creates and publishes the platform. Rallies, generally, are meant to energize the voters. Humor, such as the ramp schtick, help to generate enthusiasm.

Got Stripers

06-22-2020, 06:43 PM

Keep believing and spinning, you should change your response font color to orange at least then you would be consistent. On a side note who the f*ck are you, I’ve been a member on this site for probably as long as anyone and yet I’ve never seen one post of yours on the main board or any for that matter, do you even own a fishing rod?

Pete F.

06-22-2020, 07:52 PM

2013 Donald Trump would like to have a word with our current president.

Leadership: Whatever happens, you're responsible. If it doesn't happen, you're responsible.

Never mind, he was probably joking
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Pete F.

06-22-2020, 07:56 PM

Got Stripers

06-22-2020, 07:59 PM

No sorry if you don’t contribute jack sh*t anywhere else on this site you need to go, find yourself a political only site and have at it. If he owns a rod it has a snoopy logo on the top.

detbuch

06-22-2020, 09:02 PM

Keep believing and spinning, you should change your response font color to orange at least then you would be consistent.

Thanks for the encouragement. I'll take your suggestion into consideration.

On a side note who the f*ck are you, I’ve been a member on this site for probably as long as anyone and yet I’ve never seen one post of yours on the main board or any for that matter, do you even own a fishing rod?

It's been a while, but I've posted several times on other forums in this site--the movie, music, and sports forums in particular, but a few others as well. Been a member for over eleven years. And I no longer own a fishing rod.

There was a time when I hung out with a family who owned a cottage on Harsens Island, and would go fishing with them on the St. Clair River and Lake St. Clair, and a few other places. Nothing big like you guys do on this forum, just small fresh water fish. It was nice to be out on the lake, but wasn't into the hard work of prepping the boat in the spring and wasn't that good at catching anything.

One of my most favorite pieces of literature is Hemingway's Big Two Hearted River. I camped off of it in the U.P one summer many years ago.

I happened on this site not as an intention but more as an accident. I had been selling stuff on ebay as an addition to my pension and social security income--which was the cause of my even being interested in using a computer. So I was a novice at it, and gradually wandered outside of ebay and into the endless ocean of the internet. Long story short, I wanted to verify something going viral about an Australian Prime minister, if I remember correctly, who wrote or said something . . . gosh I can't remember what it was . . . maybe about liberalism or some such thing . . . and found a link to a post by Buckman on this site.

Being introduced to the site, and the political forum on which Buckman's post appeared, I began to read other threads and even old ones. There were these fascinating discussions that I wanted to have but had no outlet for.

I registered and eventually began joining the conversation. I searched for other sites which more realistically fit my personal interests, golf sites, philosophy sites, literary sites, but though they all had political forums, the discussion lacked the "real" quality--the fleshy, salty, sort of blood and guts views that fishermen seem to have, and is mingled with the natural inner search for meanings found in the craft of fishing as can be found in Hemingway's fishing stories, or even in Moby-#^&#^&#^&#^&, for that matter.

So I ignored the other forums and have become addicted to this one. You guys are, for sure, really "real." I was sorry to see some move on to other places and are no longer part of the discussions here. I remember, with respect if not fondly, the great JohnnyD who loved to stir the pot. And RIJimmy who moved to Texas. Of course, there are those regulars on "my side" here with whom I mostly agree and whose posts give me a pick-me-up who I won't name since I can't remember them all at the moment, but will give special mention of Scottw, my twin brother from another mother, and, of course, my nemeses like you and PeteF and Spence, who annoy the $hit out of me, but who I respect for your efforts and without whom there would be no discussion. And reserve a very special mention of JohnR and The Dad Fisherman who I highly respect for their attempt to be neutral and balanced. Though I'm sure that many of us make it hard for them to maintain their cool.

So if you want to start a thread to vote if I should remain on the site, that would be interesting. And I would abide, without resentment, the final decision. Probably don't have much time left on this side of dirt anyway. And should be doing something more productive with the time I have left.

Sea Dangles

06-22-2020, 09:07 PM

scottw

06-23-2020, 03:46 AM

On a side note who the f*ck are you, I’ve been a member on this site for probably as long as anyone and yet I’ve never seen one post of yours on the main board or any for that matter, do you even own a fishing rod?

Yesterday 08:59 PM
Got Stripers No sorry if you don’t contribute jack sh*t anywhere else on this site you need to go, find yourself a political only site and have at it. If he owns a rod it has a snoopy logo on the top.

wow...what that was uncalled for.....so much for open-minded and inclusive

The Dad Fisherman

06-23-2020, 05:48 AM

It's been a while, but I've posted several times on other forums in this site--the movie, music, and sports forums in particular, but a few others as well. Been a member for over eleven years. And I no longer own a fishing rod.

There was a time when I hung out with a family who owned a cottage on Harsens Island, and would go fishing with them on the St. Clair River and Lake St. Clair, and a few other places. Nothing big like you guys do on this forum, just small fresh water fish. It was nice to be out on the lake, but wasn't into the hard work of prepping the boat in the spring and wasn't that good at catching anything.

One of my most favorite pieces of literature is Hemingway's Big Two Hearted River. I camped off of it in the U.P one summer many years ago.

I happened on this site not as an intention but more as an accident. I had been selling stuff on ebay as an addition to my pension and social security income--which was the cause of my even being interested in using a computer. So I was a novice at it, and gradually wandered outside of ebay and into the endless ocean of the internet. Long story short, I wanted to verify something going viral about an Australian Prime minister, if I remember correctly, who wrote or said something . . . gosh I can't remember what it was . . . maybe about liberalism or some such thing . . . and found a link to a post by Buckman on this site.

Being introduced to the site, and the political forum on which Buckman's post appeared, I began to read other threads and even old ones. There were these fascinating discussions that I wanted to have but had no outlet for.

I registered and eventually began joining the conversation. I searched for other sites which more realistically fit my personal interests, golf sites, philosophy sites, literary sites, but though they all had political forums, the discussion lacked the "real" quality--the fleshy, salty, sort of blood and guts views that fishermen seem to have, and is mingled with the natural inner search for meanings found in the craft of fishing as can be found in Hemingway's fishing stories, or even in Moby-#^&#^&#^&#^&, for that matter.

So I ignored the other forums and have become addicted to this one. You guys are, for sure, really "real." I was sorry to see some move on to other places and are no longer part of the discussions here. I remember, with respect if not fondly, the great JohnnyD who loved to stir the pot. And RIJimmy who moved to Texas. Of course, there are those regulars on "my side" here with whom I mostly agree and whose posts give me a pick-me-up who I won't name since I can't remember them all at the moment, but will give special mention of Scottw, my twin brother from another mother, and, of course, my nemeses like you and PeteF and Spence, who annoy the $hit out of me, but who I respect for your efforts and without whom there would be no discussion. And reserve a very special mention of JohnR and The Dad Fisherman who I highly respect for their attempt to be neutral and balanced. Though I'm sure that many of us make it hard for them to maintain their cool.

So if you want to start a thread to vote if I should remain on the site, that would be interesting. And I would abide, without resentment, the final decision. Probably don't have much time left on this side of dirt anyway. And should be doing something more productive with the time I have left.

You are fine, nobody here gets to dictate who belongs and who doesn't, except for Bossman :hee:

As mentioned before, a member here has two choices if they don't like a member. They can ignore them or they can block them.

This isn't Survivor, they don't have the option of voting anyone off the island.
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PaulS

06-23-2020, 07:09 AM

Cry for help much?
Perhaps you and the other libtods can report him to Kevin.

What would be the point as we have already seen the hypocrisy.

Got Stripers

06-23-2020, 07:12 AM

Cry for help much?
Perhaps you and the other libtods can report him to Kevin.

I think the only one crying for help is the Trump campaign manager, because he knows full well what happens when you don’t perform for the boss. The Tulsa rally was a bust, so it’s off to the wall for a 2016 back to the future moment, more of the same BS, at least he can skip the tanning booth with the 105 degree heat.

Got Stripers

06-23-2020, 07:26 AM

You are fine, nobody here gets to dictate who belongs and who doesn't, except for Bossman :hee:

As mentioned before, a member here has two choices if they don't like a member. They can ignore them or they can block them.

This isn't Survivor, they don't have the option of voting anyone off the island.
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Oh boy thanks for sharing that heart warming story and confirmation he doesn’t own a fishing rod, he instead lives vicariously through other fisherman story’s, that’s almost as said as SD’s believe Trump is the best president of our lifetime.

scottw

06-23-2020, 07:47 AM

Oh boy thanks for sharing that heart warming story and confirmation he doesn’t own a fishing rod, he instead lives vicariously through other fisherman story’s, that’s almost as said as SD’s believe Trump is the best president of our lifetime.

melting snowflake....

PaulS

06-23-2020, 07:53 AM

melting snowflake....

Kevin said he doesn't like personal insults so you're going to get yelled at. You better edit it.

scottw

06-23-2020, 08:18 AM

Kevin said he doesn't like personal insults so you're going to get yelled at. You better edit it.

it's not an insult it's an observation

PaulS

06-23-2020, 08:39 AM

it's not an insult it's an observation

Wow.

detbuch

06-23-2020, 08:52 AM

And today when asked that question directly he didn’t answer.
Just like Ukraine, the gaslighting apparatus goes into operation.
In a week or so the new narrative will be, of course he did.
123,000 dead and he takes no responsibility

From The Hill:

"It was a comment that he made in jest," White House press secretary Kayleigh McEnany told reporters Monday. "It's a comment that he made in passing, specifically with regard to the media coverage and pointing out the fact that the media never acknowledges that we have more cases because when you test more people, you find more cases."

Trump denied telling his administration to scale back testing in an interview on Monday with CBN News, but said he believed widespread testing put the U.S. at a "disadvantage." Trump said his remark at the rally was "semi tongue-in-cheek."

"Instead of 25 million tests, let's say we did 10 million tests. We'd look like we were doing much better because we'd have far fewer cases. You understand that," Trump said. "I wouldn't do that, but I will say this: We do so much more than other countries it makes us, in a way, look bad but actually we're doing the right thing."

It'll be interesting if you keep repeating the fake news that he really meant it, like you keep repeating the Charlottesville lie that he said Nazis are very fine people.

spence

06-23-2020, 09:39 AM

From The Hill:

"It was a comment that he made in jest," White House press secretary Kayleigh McEnany told reporters Monday. "It's a comment that he made in passing, specifically with regard to the media coverage and pointing out the fact that the media never acknowledges that we have more cases because when you test more people, you find more cases."

Trump denied telling his administration to scale back testing in an interview on Monday with CBN News, but said he believed widespread testing put the U.S. at a "disadvantage." Trump said his remark at the rally was "semi tongue-in-cheek."

"Instead of 25 million tests, let's say we did 10 million tests. We'd look like we were doing much better because we'd have far fewer cases. You understand that," Trump said. "I wouldn't do that, but I will say this: We do so much more than other countries it makes us, in a way, look bad but actually we're doing the right thing."

It'll be interesting if you keep repeating the fake news that he really meant it, like you keep repeating the Charlottesville lie that he said Nazis are very fine people.
Vintage Trump, the deception is so blatant it's right in front of you. Of course Trump doesn't want testing because he thinks it hurts him politically, just like when he didn't want the American cruise ship passengers to disembark because it would have inflated the numbers.

If he actually said test less or not is somewhat irrelevant. Trump sets the tone by his actions and those in his administration and much of his base follow. This is why we have a VP writing absurd op-eds downplaying the threat and supporters who insist the media is hyping it even as more states see increases.

The Trump interview I saw last night on the topic would require complete self subjugation to Trumpism to take at face value. It made zero sense. One of the most serious global events we may see in our lifetimes and our leaders are trying to gaslight.

Got Stripers

06-23-2020, 10:02 AM

Trump is a walk back machine
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PaulS

06-23-2020, 10:15 AM

The problem with lying is it is hard to keep your lies straight.

President Donald Trump insisted on Tuesday that he was serious when he revealed that he had directed his administration to slow coronavirus testing in the United States — shattering the defenses of senior White House aides who argued Trump’s remarks were made in jest.

“I don’t kid. Let me just tell you. Let me make it clear,” Trump told reporters, when pressed on whether his comments at a campaign event Saturday in Tulsa, Okla., were intended as a joke.

“We have got the greatest testing program anywhere in the world. We test better than anybody in the world. Our tests are the best in the world, and we have the most of them. By having more tests, we find more cases,” he continued.

Administration officials as high-ranking as Vice President Mike Pence have scrambled in recent days to clean up Trump’s statements on Saturday in Tulsa, Okla., where he reprised his dubious logic regarding testing rates before an arena of supporters.

“When you do testing to that extent, you’re going to find more people,” Trump said during the rally. “You’re going to find more cases. So I said to my people, ‘Slow the testing down, please.’”

White House trade adviser Peter Navarro suggested on Sunday the president never issued such an explicit directive, telling CNN Trump’s remarks were “tongue in cheek.”

“It was a comment that he made in jest,” White House press secretary Kayleigh McEnany added at a news briefing Monday, saying: “Any suggestion that testing has been curtailed is not rooted in fact.”

Even Pence sought to help manage the political fallout, telling governors in a conference call Monday that Trump’s testing comments were merely a “passing observation," according to a CBS News report.

But in an interview Monday, Trump did not deny making the ask of his administration to curtail coronavirus testing, instead contending that “if we did slow it down, we wouldn't show nearly as many cases.”

detbuch

06-23-2020, 11:18 AM

But in an interview Monday, Trump did not deny making the ask of his administration to curtail coronavirus testing, instead contending that “if we did slow it down, we wouldn't show nearly as many cases.”

From The Hill:

"Trump denied telling his administration to scale back testing in an interview on Monday with CBN News,"

Pete F.

06-23-2020, 12:04 PM

PaulS

06-23-2020, 12:29 PM

scottw

06-23-2020, 12:45 PM

South Korea, population about 50 million has about 280 total Covid deaths, that would equate to about 1,680 deaths if the population was 300 million. Why do we have 120,000 dead?

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democrat governors

detbuch

06-23-2020, 12:49 PM

South Korea, population about 50 million has about 280 total Covid deaths, that would equate to about 1,680 deaths if the population was 300 million. Why do we have 120,000 dead? We are the richest, most productive, innovative country in the world.
Aren’t we?

How come 58 countries, most of which are far poorer and way less productive and innovative than South Korea, have a smaller death rate due to Coronavirus than South Korea?

There are probably many factors that are different for each country that influence how many deaths each has due to the virus. One of the many, for instance, is the amount of the various kinds of worldwide traffic a country has, and from where that traffic comes. Another is the amount of physical, cultural, political, sociological, and all the other -al and -ism diversity a country has.

The U.S. is by far one of the most diverse and trafficked in the world. And part of that massive diversity is the difference between various parts of the country. Most of the deaths have occurred in just a few places in the U.S. So one might want to examine why that is so, and make comparisons between those parts of the country with SK, and comparisons to it with parts of the US where the death rate is lower than SK.

And one might want to examine the diversity of governmental action and control in the U.S. compared to the more homogenous governmental control of SK.

Not to mention the individualistic temperament of Americans who tend to defy government restrictions and recommendations compared to that of the population of SK.

And on and on . . .

The easy out is to say it's Trump's fault.

Pete F.

06-23-2020, 01:29 PM

How come 58 countries, most of which are far poorer and way less productive and innovative than South Korea, have a smaller death rate due to Coronavirus than South Korea?
The poorest countries have done everything possible to control Corona. They also have less of the travel and transits that you claim are the uncontrollable factors in the US, but far less capability to track and trace. They also wear masks.
There are probably many factors that are different for each country that influence how many deaths each has due to the virus. One of the many, for instance, is the amount of the various kinds of worldwide traffic a country has, and from where that traffic comes. Another is the amount of physical, cultural, political, sociological, and all the other -al and -ism diversity a country has.

The U.S. is by far one of the most diverse and trafficked in the world. And part of that massive diversity is the difference between various parts of the country. Most of the deaths have occurred in just a few places in the U.S. So one might want to examine why that is so, and make comparisons between those parts of the country with SK, and comparisons to it with parts of the US where the death rate is lower than SK.

And one might want to examine the diversity of governmental action and control in the U.S. compared to the more homogenous governmental control of SK.
Or one could look at the immediate action taken by SK and most of the countries that have lower deaths per capita than the USA.
SK heeded the warnings from the WHO that our adminstration failed to listen to and immediately started stockpiling PPE, developing tests by bringing together the private sector and funding multiple test developers to make sure they had the capital for development and putting into place the panademic control measures developed with US aid to combat previous pandemics.

Not to mention the individualistic temperament of Americans who tend to defy government restrictions and recommendations compared to that of the population of SK.
The individualistic temperament of Americans that has a large group repeating claims that the virus is a hoax, it's a plot and no worse than a cold. That same group would have listened if the leadership had come out, demonstrated social distancing, reducing personal contact and wearing masks. Nobody who is successful in a leadership position thinks that the example they demonstrate is worthless.
The same people who chant fake news, lock her up and send them back because that is the response they have been taught would tell others to wear a mask and socially distance if they were told that is the way Americans support each other.
That's not what happened is it?

And on and on . . .

The easy out is to say it's Trump's fault.

Actually the easy out is to say "I take no responsibility at all" when he knew better

Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
Leadership: Whatever happens, you're responsible. If it doesn't happen, you're responsible.
2:01 PM · Nov 8, 2013·Twitter Web Client

detbuch

06-23-2020, 02:09 PM

Actually the easy out is to say "I take no responsibility at all" when he knew better

He was specifically referring to the slow roll-out of the testing kits. And he makes a convincing argument that he was not personally responsible for that.

Sea Dangles

06-23-2020, 02:26 PM

Pete F.

06-23-2020, 03:21 PM

He was specifically referring to the slow roll-out of the testing kits. And he makes a convincing argument that he was not personally responsible for that.

History and politics should give him as much slack as these people received for their speech:

“They cling to guns and religion”
“I voted for it, before I voted against it”
“Basket of deplorables”
“Brownie, you’re doing a heck of a job”
“Stuff happens” (Donald Rumsfeld on the chaos of post-invasion Iraq)
“It depends on what the meaning of the word ‘is’, is.”
“Peace for our time.”

I now realize that Tweety can't even hold himself to the same standard that he claimed his predecessor needed to meet and you claim that we should give him the benefit of doubt for various obtuse reasons.

This is what he had to say when Obama was President.

Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
Leadership: Whatever happens, you're responsible. If it doesn't happen, you're responsible.
2:01 PM · Nov 8, 2013·Twitter Web Client

Or is your premise that white privilege actually exists and it is Tweety's due?

Sea Dangles

06-23-2020, 03:49 PM

I am happy to live in the state with the lowest COVID transmission rate in the COUNTRY.

THANK YOU MR PRESIDENT
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Got Stripers

06-23-2020, 03:56 PM

I am happy to live in the state with the lowest COVID transmission rate in the COUNTRY.

THANK YOU MR PRESIDENT
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Thank Charlie Baker your guy had nothing to do with this states results.
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detbuch

06-23-2020, 04:31 PM

@realDonaldTrump
Leadership: Whatever happens, you're responsible. If it doesn't happen, you're responsible.
2:01 PM · Nov 8, 2013·Twitter Web Client

Or is your premise that white privilege actually exists and it is Tweety's due?

"Whatever happens" doesn't mean what happened before you got there. The CDC was already incompetent in its ability to deliver quality testing kits before Trump became "responsible." When the Trump administration found that there were existing problems with the CDC's ability, and that there were regulations in place which made it impossible to move quickly enough to correct existing obstacles, it moved to resolve the problems (i.e., took responsibility) . . . and it did.

detbuch

06-23-2020, 05:32 PM

June 23 (UPI) -- Dr. Anthony Fauci told a House panel Tuesday that he has never been asked to slow down testing for COVID-19 and again expressed hope that a vaccine will be ready by the end of 2020 or early 2021.

Asked about statements by President Donald Trump at a campaign rally Saturday that he had asked for a slowdown in testing, Fauci, director of the National Institute for Allergy and Infectious Diseases, said that neither he nor any other top U.S. health officials have been requested to do so.

"To my knowledge, none of us have ever been told to slow down on testing. That just is a fact," he told members the House energy and commerce committee. "In fact, we will be doing more testing."

The president drew criticism when he suggested spikes in coronavirus cases in several states were due to increased testing.

Other members of the White House Coronavirus Task Force -- including Food and Drug Administration Commissioner Stephen Hahn, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention Director Robert Redfield and Health and Human Services Assistant Secretary Brett Giroir -- each answered "no" when similarly asked if they had been instructed to slow down COVID-19 testing.

spence

06-23-2020, 05:49 PM

detbuch

06-23-2020, 05:57 PM

In other words, Trump has no idea or control over what is going on and is intentionally creating confusion to aid his re-election campaign.
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Yeah, that's it

Pete F.

06-23-2020, 08:05 PM

scottw

06-23-2020, 08:21 PM

He said today when asked if his testing comment was a joke “I never kid”
But in Bizzaro world I assume that means he’s always kidding.
I get it, his script was exchanged with a comic book from the 60s
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pete, since things are so bad for trump at this point, you can probably treat yourself and take a week or two off....you've worked very hard every day for nearly 4 years and it's finally paying off...you deserve it!

Sea Dangles

06-23-2020, 08:58 PM

Kevin said he doesn't like personal insults so you're going to get yelled at. You better edit it.

What would be the point?

Sea Dangles

06-23-2020, 09:00 PM

Thank Charlie Baker your guy had nothing to do with this states results.
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OK ❄️

I forgot he is ONLY accountable for deaths in your TDS handbook.🤡

detbuch

06-23-2020, 09:42 PM

He said today when asked if his testing comment was a joke “I never kid”
But in Bizzaro world I assume that means he’s always kidding.
I get it, his script was exchanged with a comic book from the 60s
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He jokes a lot. He even said that his remark in question was semi-tongue in cheek. And he has also said that he did not actually tell his staff to slow the testing. So, obviously, his "I never kid," if it referred to his rally remark, was that there was a serious point being made with his semi-tongue in cheek schtick about asking his staff to slow the testing.

The point being made is that media would not give him what he considered proper credit for the massive testing his administration was doing--and his sarcasm (or semi-tongue in cheek) was a way of sarcastically pointing out that we were doing exactly what he would not get credit for.

So in the brief interview where he said he never kids, he took the rare opportunity to use the media, rather than just tweets, to pound on the fact that we are doing a lot of testing--which is exactly what he did by brushing aside the question about his remark and jumping directly and heavily into telling the people about the success that he would not otherwise get credit for in the media that wanted to waste time on an obvious "joke." He would never kid about something that serious and important, but would use sarcasm to illustrate what was not being reported.

It would be incredulous to believe he would seriously broadcast to the nation that he had asked his staff to slow down the testing. That would easily be proved to be true if it were true. He knew that it would easily be proved not to be true. It was obviously some kind of attempt to humorously point out to his rally crowd, and to those watching on some form of internet media or traditional media, how much testing we were really doing in spite of the narrative that he lacked on testing--so much testing that he had to ask his staff to slow it down, chuckle, chuckle

Pete F.

06-24-2020, 04:56 AM

Just keep believing in the Con man
History will find the truth
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scottw

06-24-2020, 05:06 AM

Just keep believing in the Con man
History will find the truth
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just keep obsessing:eyes:

Pete F.

06-24-2020, 05:16 AM

Speaking of obsession, have you listened to the con man you consistently defend?
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scottw

06-24-2020, 06:01 AM

Speaking of obsession, have you listened to the con man you consistently defend?
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when did I defend him?

scottw

06-24-2020, 06:05 AM

oh...here's one....

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

My metaphors were perfect regardless of your opinion

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very trumplike....

PaulS

06-24-2020, 07:38 AM

Take it from an expert on lying
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Either tell me why I am a liar or this will show why I think you are a scum bag and the most vile person here.

JohnR asks you repeatedly to stop the insults but you spit in his face which shows everyone what type of person you are.

JohnR

06-24-2020, 09:24 AM

I do not have time to go thorough EVERY post and every thread as I work my ass off with the job that PAYS the bills.

Dangles: ZERO use of the ANY variation of tard unless it is specific to the technical aspect of advance of something mechanical, like timing. This includes the substitution of "technical aspect of advance of something mechanical, like timing" into a political or mental sense. No circumventing. Got it?

That goes for everyone else, too. An arena of ideas, not insults please.

Everyone dial it the eff back.

Pete F.

06-24-2020, 10:30 AM

He jokes a lot. He even said that his remark in question was semi-tongue in cheek. And he has also said that he did not actually tell his staff to slow the testing. So, obviously, his "I never kid," if it referred to his rally remark, was that there was a serious point being made with his semi-tongue in cheek schtick about asking his staff to slow the testing.

The point being made is that media would not give him what he considered proper credit for the massive testing his administration was doing--and his sarcasm (or semi-tongue in cheek) was a way of sarcastically pointing out that we were doing exactly what he would not get credit for.

So in the brief interview where he said he never kids, he took the rare opportunity to use the media, rather than just tweets, to pound on the fact that we are doing a lot of testing--which is exactly what he did by brushing aside the question about his remark and jumping directly and heavily into telling the people about the success that he would not otherwise get credit for in the media that wanted to waste time on an obvious "joke." He would never kid about something that serious and important, but would use sarcasm to illustrate what was not being reported.

It would be incredulous to believe he would seriously broadcast to the nation that he had asked his staff to slow down the testing. That would easily be proved to be true if it were true. He knew that it would easily be proved not to be true. It was obviously some kind of attempt to humorously point out to his rally crowd, and to those watching on some form of internet media or traditional media, how much testing we were really doing in spite of the narrative that he lacked on testing--so much testing that he had to ask his staff to slow it down, chuckle, chuckle

Unfortunately Tweety's claim to have done the most testing in the world is like his saying it depends on which per capita you are using.
Testing is not just how many you test or what you want the results to be, but needs to be part of a comprehensive testing, tracing and control regimen.
The current positivity rate for testing in the US nationwide is over 5% and while that is good, one should note as someone did on here that what is more important is where specific localities are with positivity results.
In Arizona it is over 20%, way over the recommended level to implement social distancing, but they had a rally there
In Florida it is over 13% and rising, rally is coming
Twenty other states have rates over 5%
Alabama, Arizona, Arkansas, Florida, Georgia, North Carolina and Texas have increases in both new cases and positivity rates.
The first wave is not over, never mind the possibility of a second wave in the fall.
All that has happened so far is that the states that were affected early and implemented measures to control are doing better, states that were not in the initial hit are doing worse and simultaneously removing control requirements.

I have understood you to say previously that we should not expect the president to be a leader, I disagree but have seen that in any case he is incapable of performing that function.

He's not even a good standup comedian.

Sea Dangles

06-24-2020, 11:30 AM

Either tell me why I am a liar or this will show why I think you are a scum bag and the most vile person here.

JohnR asks you repeatedly to stop the insults but you spit in his face which shows everyone what type of person you are.

I simply said you are an expert on the subject. Calm down little fella.

Sea Dangles

06-24-2020, 11:31 AM

PaulS

06-24-2020, 01:17 PM

I simply said you are an expert on the subject. Calm down little fella.

So why am I an expert on lying?

Read what I said about you and tell me why I am wrong.

You can't help yourself.

Sea Dangles

06-24-2020, 01:48 PM

So why am I an expert on lying?

Read what I said about you and tell me why I am wrong.

You can't help yourself.

Remember the thread where you lied about Trump?..

But you said you didn’t lie

But I proved you wrong

And you still wouldn’t admit it regardless

Then you splained that your lie was just an error on your part so it didn’t count as a lie

You know lots about lying...expert like

PaulS

06-24-2020, 01:51 PM

Remember the thread where you lied about Trump?..

But you said you didn’t lie

But I proved you wrong

And you still wouldn’t admit it regardless

Then you splained that your lie was just an error on your part so it didn’t count as a lie

You know lots about lying...expert like

Haven't we discussed this 2 times before - I said Trump said the virus would magically disappear. He said mysteriously. I told you previously it isn't a big deal.

And for that you call me a liar. It just shows what type of person you are. See my post above about what type of person I think you are.

You just continue to spit in the face of Kevin and John as you have no respect for anyone.

Sea Dangles

06-24-2020, 02:09 PM

PaulS

06-24-2020, 02:20 PM

It wouldn’t be a big deal if you came clean,my thin amigo.

Obviously you have an opinion about what exactly compromises a lie.
This makes you an expert
No insult, just a compliment!
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Come clean with what? I said it was a mistake 2 times before.

You just want to call me a liar and don't care what John and Kevin have said. Like I said earlier, you just spit in their face my fat amigo.

Sea Dangles

06-24-2020, 03:13 PM

Come clean with what? I said it was a mistake 2 times before.

You just want to call me a liar and don't care what John and Kevin have said. Like I said earlier, you just spit in their face my fat amigo.
Thank you for wiping it off
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PaulS

06-24-2020, 03:19 PM

Thank you for wiping it off
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You're a vile person.

spence

06-24-2020, 03:56 PM

detbuch

06-24-2020, 04:06 PM

He's either intentionally or unintentionally sewing confusion because it's a topic that is hurting his reelection. That makes him either evil or incompetent. This isn't that complicated.

For something that you say isn't complicated, you complicate it with various possibilities--while predictably leaving out other possibilities which would be more accurate than yours. But, understandably, for you it isn't complicated. You basically have the same basic possibility for all things--Orange Man Bad.

detbuch

06-24-2020, 04:09 PM

He's not even a good standup comedian.

Wow . . . the scope of your expertise keeps expanding. You're almost as good as Professor Irwin Corey.

Got Stripers

06-24-2020, 05:43 PM

JohnR

06-24-2020, 06:14 PM

Thank you for wiping it off
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Chris - you really need to lighten up.

scottw

06-24-2020, 07:31 PM

On a side note, if it wasn’t clear to anyone Barr is a criminal

.

he has great courage...a true patriot

Got Stripers

06-24-2020, 07:45 PM

he has great courage...a true patriot

I’m sure Nixon thought the same about Mitchell🤣

Sea Dangles

06-24-2020, 07:54 PM

Chris - you really need to lighten up.

I dont suffer fools lightly
But lightening up is a good start

detbuch

06-24-2020, 08:26 PM

Well the US is back to the peak April levels, but hey let’s stop funding for pop up testing, let’s suggest if we didn’t test these numbers wouldn’t look that bad. Get the rally’s going sans masks, let evolution take its natural course, get those states open we need to crank up the economy. Those that we sacrifice due to our collective stupidity will have died for a good cause.

From The Hill:

The Trump administration is not abandoning federally funded coronavirus testing sites, the administration's COVID-19 testing "czar" said Wednesday.

Adm. Brett Giroir, the assistant secretary for the Department of Health and Human Services, said that even though the government will stop directly funding 13 community-based coronavirus testing sites, the amount of testing will not decrease, and the sites should not lose resources.

"We are not withdrawing support," Giroir said. "We are providing federal support in a different way."

Giroir said the sites, which are located in Texas, Illinois, New Jersey, Colorado and Pennsylvania, will be supported by the $11 billion Congress allocated for testing and contact tracing, just like hundreds of other sites across the country.

"We have worked carefully to make sure that [the 13 sites] could sunset without losing any services to any people," Giroir said.

Giroir said those 13 sites will remain open and will be operated by the states. He said governors were aware of the plan to transition to state control, which had been in place since April . . .

Giroir said there has never been an intention to decrease testing, and governors know that.

"Let me say definitively that we are moving to increase testing. Both the number, the quantity and the targeting on social vulnerability, and we will continue to do that" Giroir said.

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) established 41 community-based testing sites in coronavirus hot spots across the country in March, but the program has evolved since those initial sites opened, and now only 13 are remaining.

Those sites are now outdated, Giroir said. They were narrowly focused and operated when supplies were much more limited.

Giroir said there are now more than 600 testing sites in 48 states, operating under a federal program that will reimburse retail pharmacies for providing tests.

Got Stripers

06-25-2020, 01:26 PM

Trump administration has yet to spend more than $8 billion of the $25 billion Congress appropriated for coronavirus testing in April. The administration has also failed to spend $4 billion in funds for Covid-19 contact tracing and nearly $2 billion to provide free testing for the uninsured.

Funny you can “joke” about asking your people to slow testing and frankly I actually believe that is exactly what he wants, but if you make no efforts to get the funds out to where they need to go, you are effectively doing just that. We now have a new daily high, damn if only we could slow down testing it wouldn’t look so bad going into November.
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detbuch

06-25-2020, 02:43 PM

Trump very seriously said that the large testing was the right thing to do. He seriously bragged about it. When asked by Congress, none of his staff said that they were asked to slow down the testing, and that they were going to do even more, to expand the rate of testing. Trump seriously bragged about the testing.

But he made a joke. And, funny, how it is the joke that must be payed attention to . . . at least by those who hate him. And even though the joke was meant to highlight the good, massive testing and to point out that his administration was not getting the credit for it.

Yup . . . it's the joke that matters. Sick.

Pete F.

06-25-2020, 02:52 PM

US plan to reduce Idiot population by not testing for Idiots expected to have underwhelming results, sources say.
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Got Stripers

06-25-2020, 03:30 PM

detbuch

06-25-2020, 03:34 PM

US plan to reduce Idiot population by not testing for Idiots expected to have underwhelming results, sources say.
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Oh, so you're allowed to make jokes, be sarcastic, tell lies, but . . . oh that's right . . . you're not the President . . . so you're allowed . . . you're allowed that "moral choice."

Got Stripers

06-25-2020, 03:49 PM

detbuch

06-25-2020, 04:14 PM

Everything every president says matters, this is something he doesn’t understand, just like suggesting a mask for him isn’t a good look. Actions matter too.

So does its matter that he says he is proud of the testing. That it's the right thing to do. Does it matter that his jokes are meant to get across an important point, to bring attention to good things he has done that his opponents try to obscure, deny, or lie about. Does it matter that he busts his but to try to keep his promises, unlike what many nice talking, politically correct politicians who talk to get elected, but somehow don't get around to walking the talk.

OK, I realize that you don't think that he has done any good. That any good accomplished has been done by someone else. That Trump is a total failure. And worse, that he is responsible for the bad stuff. That he is a destructor, and is bringing the country down. And that he is, overall, a bad person.

It is amazing to me how some of the worst personal reprobates that have populated our political class who were bigger liars and more corrupt and destructive than Trump but who did less, were praised to the hilt for the little good they did, and were excused or overlooked for the important stuff they promised but somehow, even with solid media approval, corporate backing, and popular admiration, never got around to doing.

But they sure could say the "right" things--very articulately and with style.

Got Stripers

06-25-2020, 05:13 PM

detbuch

06-25-2020, 06:25 PM

The citizens of the USA I’m pretty sure aren’t watching us, but there are a lot watching the president for signals, leadership, direction and encouragement, bad humor in a time like this is so inappropriate and frankly insulting. Get the funds congress approved out, put on a mask where it’s difficult to physically distance to set the example, stop being such a self involved child so worried about ratings and election impact. He isn’t a leader, defend him if you like, I like many I know are voting his sorry butt out come November. The irony is I’ve voted republican more than democrat over my voting life. This clown will do so much damage if given another four years. Time to fit him for the orange jump suit.

I don't know how many are linking in to this site who are not members. You might be surprised if an actual number were somehow discovered. I found it by linking to a subject which was also being discussed here. The search engines are fairly rigorous, if not totally thorough, about finding sources on most subjects. So there may be a lot more reading these posts than you think. After a while, it occurred to me that if I found this site through my search engine, my forum name might also be found there. So I checked--dang if it wasn't there. Yup, It was there with a link to this site. I just checked again and it was gone. So it only lasts for a limited time.

But, like the virus, political opinions spread from initial sources, whatever they may be, throughout the total population over time. Most of our opinions are just personal rehash of what we heard or read or saw or learned about from another source, usually some media, or personal contact. Your negative views of Trump, I'm confidently guessing, aren't based on personal contact or association over time with him. But probably from media sources or someone relating something to you that he got from some media source. I have read your and Pete's and Spences opinions, many linking to some article or source as evidence to bolster as well as inform, their perspective. But I have read very convincing sources that dispute theirs and paint a different Picture.

The problem with media, as you well know, is its bias. One source may portray a report differently, than another. And I have found that not only the slant in what is said may differ, but actual information may be included in one source that isn't in another. Bias by omission is as effective as misinformation.

So I am agnostic about what is the truth. But, in the current state of politics, the personal characteristics of a politician are far less important to me than are their politics.

So, maybe we're being hoodwinked, for whatever reason--political, philosophical, power, or greed--into an incomplete or bogus view. It was so stark in difference between how CNN, MSNBC, NBC, CBS and ABC delivered their news and editorials and talk programs on the ongoing Mueller investigation as well as the impeachment process, in contrast to Fox and various right wingish internet shows. And which news agencies leaned more accurately toward the final results.

As far as doling out funds, maybe it's being done as needed rather than all at once. I don't know, but I believe that if it could be proved that the funding was being mishandled by the administration, it would be politically damaging to it, so I would expect that intentionally improper withholding would be avoided.

I don't "defend" Trump per se. I would rather that he kept about his business, as he does, with much less bravado, and more humility. Just do it and let the results speak for themselves. But I understand why he does it.

My favorite President was Calvin Coolidge who has been referred to as "the quiet President."
But though he lacked a lot of speechifying and politicking, he was one of the few Presidents who reduced the debt and stuck far more to Constitutional constraints than other 20th and 21rst century Presidents.

What I am trying to "defend" is not Trump, but our constitutional form of government. The actual historical record shows that Progressivism is anti-constitutional as has been documented by some of us on his forum. It is absolutely authoritarian in its political philosophy. The historical connection of Democrat Progressivism to Soviet and current Communism has been shown by some of us on this forum. There are avowed socialists in the current Democrat party that seem to have more influence than some of the decades serving Democrat leaders.

I want Trump to win not because I like him or wish to defend him. I don't. But I don't want a Progressive or Socialist for whom the Constitution is an obstacle rather than a blueprint. And that dichotomy is greater now than it has ever been. If the Democrats seize control of all levers of our government, they will surely, without a doubt, proudly return to their historical open desire to transform this nation into the non-constitutional administrative state which, in essence, will have an increasingly total control of every aspect of our lives.

detbuch

06-25-2020, 06:40 PM

We shouldn’t be where we are in this crisis but keep believing like SD, I think history will paint this corrupt administration in a completely different light. No need to break out out your blue font, this country is in very bad shape it it falls right at the feet of Trump and the cast of clowns he has surrounded himself with.

New CDC guidelines and warnings should alarm all, but downplay is Trumps MO, because it serves his personal needs, he wants this to magically to disappear, but this is about to rear it’s ugly head to make his re-election a long shot.

The virus is the cause of our present "bad shape." But the world is suffering that shape because of the virus as well. Before it hit, we were doing very, very well. Better than most of the other countries. I understand, of course, that you don't credit Trump for that. You credit him only for what you claim is his mishandling of the virus.

Got Stripers

06-25-2020, 06:53 PM

The virus is the cause of our present "bad shape." But the world is suffering that shape because of the virus as well. Before it hit, we were doing very, very well. I understand, of course, that you don't credit Trump for that. You credit him only for what you claim is his mishandling of the virus.

I already credited him for not destroying the robust economy he inherited, I give him low marks for foreign affairs, poor marks for handling of our allies and dismal to irresponsible marks for dealing with the environment. Now he is killing US citizens with no empathy or sympathy, he needs his economy open because he sees it as his only chance in November. I’m done debating his merits with a die hard Trumpiet, this guy couldn’t care less about your family, my family or anyone we know, as long as we follow his messaging and give him a vote.

What I find amusing is the he can’t help being Trump and that is exactly what America has decided they have had enough of. The harder he tries the worse the messaging gets, now it’s back to fear and division. The irony is he had a good economy going into this and had he not completely blown the handling of this pandemic he might have been a hard sitting president to defeat, but he can’t help himself thankful.

scottw

06-25-2020, 07:41 PM

What I find amusing is the he can’t help being Trump and that is exactly what America has decided they have had enough of.

:huh:

detbuch

06-25-2020, 09:05 PM

QUOTE=Got Stripers;1195843]I already credited him for not destroying the robust economy he inherited,

That's what's called a back-handed compliment, or a back-handed "credit" in this case. He didn't create the robust economy, he inherited it, he just didn't destroy it . . . yet. No doubt, given all your other opinions of the "clown," given enough time the incompetent "clown" would destroy it.

This "robust" notion of what the "clown" inherited is difficult for me to see. It had a few good spurts but always returned to its slow attempts at recovery. The upward curve, in my opinion was lower than if nothing had been done to fix it, but just let it naturally, without interference, grow of its own volition.

It didn't get continuously "robust" until Trump promised tax and regulatory reforms, and more so when the taxes were cut and economy stifling reforms imposed by the previous administration were erased. Just those two things would be enough to make it an entirely new and different economy. An economy that was not "inherited." An economy that was created.

give him low marks for foreign affairs, poor marks for handling of our allies

He strengthened NATO. The Middle East violence and threat is lowered. He exposed Iran for the cheating threat it is to the Middle East and to the rest of the civilized world. Iran has less money now to fund its foreign intrigues. He withdrew some forces from Syria without the cataclysmic results promised by war experts. He has strengthened ties with Israel. He has not, as predicted by his detractors, engaged us in lots of costly wars. He called out Germany for its hypocrisy of pretending to view NATO as a bulwark against Russia, yet not living up to its obligations to fund it, and at the same time boosting Russia's economy by buying its natural gas from Russia. He has exposed West European leaders for the backbiting, conceited pretenders to civility that they are. He has beneficially renegotiated NAFTA, created better trade deals with Japan and South Korea, strengthened ties with Taiwan, and after Trump threatened tariffs on Vietnam, it agreed to free and fair trade with the U.S. Trump exposed China's economic rape of America and has been the only President to make actual moves to reverse that and his moves against China has spurred a world-wide interest in free and fair trade policies with each other that may benefit the entire world not just a group of favored nations and although that may look like a slap at us it actually creates the possibility of a truly competitive world market that we can more easily thrive in if we recapture and maintain our innovative less regulated free market

and dismal to irresponsible marks for dealing with the environment.

That's an opinion not everyone holds. I am not convinced either way. But it seems to me that it is not necessary to have an all powerful central authority dictating environmental policy to the whole world. Especially when the proposed authority will require a total reconstruction of the world economy and make itself the ultimate designer of that economy, thus vanquishing national sovereignties, making them subservient to its dictated power--sort of an all world regulatory agency having legislative, executive, and judicial power to dictate its will on all of us.

Now he is killing US citizens with no empathy or sympathy, he needs his economy open because he sees it as his only chance in November. I’m done debating his merits with a die hard Trumpiet, this guy couldn’t care less about your family, my family or anyone we know, as long as we follow his messaging and give him a vote.

Well I'm certainly not a die hard Trumpiet (haven't heard that label before). I'm a constitutionalist, not a Trumpist. He is merely, at this moment, a barrier to the Progressive assault on the Constitution and our constitutional order. I don't seek or need his empathy or sympathy. The economy must open or crumble into such disrepair that it will take decades to repair, especially if the socialists take over. If saving the economy helps him, that would be a strike against the Progressive socialists, and that's fine, very fine, with me.

My family will do quite well if the economy is saved and brought to life sooner rather than later.

What I find amusing is the he can’t help being Trump and that is exactly what America has decided they have had enough of. The harder he tries the worse the messaging gets, now it’s back to fear and division. The irony is he had a good economy going into this and had he not completely blown the handling of this pandemic he might have been a hard sitting president to defeat, but he can’t help himself thankful.[/QUOTE]

I totally disagree that he "inherited" a good economy. I remember a fairly stagnant slow rising one, if at all, and one that was generously referred to as a "new normal" by the very folks who backed and praised Obama for his efforts to establish this somehow stable and wonderful gift of predictably low, if at all, growth. Once Trump unleashed the economy by actually changing it into an entirely different one of low taxes with the elimination of strangling regulations imposed by the previous regime, it truly became robust . . . and, well then, all that low level "new normal" was somehow forgotten and quickly transformed by its proponents into the robust one that Trump "inherited."

Got Stripers

06-26-2020, 04:42 AM

No see I told you no blue font and there you go just like Trump, you can’t help yourself, others can read I have no interest going to play golf.

scottw

06-26-2020, 04:58 AM

others can read I have no interest going to play golf.

sounds like a trump quote

Sea Dangles

06-26-2020, 06:54 AM

I thought he liked golf
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scottw

06-26-2020, 08:00 AM

sounds like a trump quote

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I could never be trusted with this kind of power :hihi:

Pete F.

06-26-2020, 12:30 PM

detbuch

06-26-2020, 01:09 PM

At the first Coronavirus Task Force Presentation in 2 months, Dr. Birx refutes Trump’s claim that the only reason there are more cases is because there is more testing by showing a graph of Texas where positivity rates were declining as testing was increased in May, then the positivity rate began to rise in last 2.5 weeks with more testing

Birx says they have concerns about states that have both rising numbers of cases and rising test-positivity rates. She says the two top states for test-positives are Texas and Arizona, followed by FL, MS, SC, AL, GA, LA, NV, UT.

It looks like the hoax has come to red states

Did Trump say that the ONLY reason there are more cases is because there is more testing? Maybe I just missed the ONLY part. If he said ONLY that would be a misstatement. But maybe he meant, if he did say ONLY, that it is because more testing will always reveal more cases which wouldn't be discovered with less testing--which applies no matter what the actual rise or reason for it is.

Did Trump say that Coronavirus does not exist, that it is a hoax? I missed the part where he said it didn't exist. Maybe he missed it too since he has been doing so much to fight it.

Pete F.

06-26-2020, 03:36 PM

Did Trump say that the ONLY reason there are more cases is because there is more testing? Maybe I just missed the ONLY part. If he said ONLY that would be a misstatement. But maybe he meant, if he did say ONLY, that it is because more testing will always reveal more cases which wouldn't be discovered with less testing--which applies no matter what the actual rise or reason for it is.

Did Trump say that Coronavirus does not exist, that it is a hoax? I missed the part where he said it didn't exist. Maybe he missed it too since he has been doing so much to fight it.

Amid surging infections, VP Pence said "there may be a tendency" to think the U.S. is where it was two months ago, "that we're in a time of great losses & great hardship." "The reality is we're in a much better place," he said.

The U.S. set a record for daily new cases yesterday, what will the number be on July 25th?

Feb 25: 0 deaths
Mar 25: 938 deaths
Apr 25: 53,755 deaths
May 25: 98,220 deaths
Jun 25: 124,355 deaths
Jul 25: XXX,XXX deaths

scottw

06-26-2020, 03:52 PM

repete...there are 541 new deaths nationwide as i write this ..that is far less than an average day in NY not long ago...43 in NY...45 in NJ...50 in Mass leading the league

RickBomba

06-26-2020, 04:23 PM

repete...there are 541 new deaths nationwide as i write this ..that is far less than an average day in NY not long ago...43 in NY...45 in NJ...50 in Mass leading the league

Repeat?
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scottw

06-26-2020, 04:28 PM

Repeat?
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repete

spence

06-26-2020, 04:48 PM

Pete and Repeat are in a boat. Pete fell out. Who's left?

PaulS

06-26-2020, 05:40 PM

While we have an Administration trying to take insurance away from 20 million Americans the VP refuses to say that we should be wearing masks
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Pete F.

06-26-2020, 09:28 PM

repete...there are 541 new deaths nationwide as i write this ..that is far less than an average day in NY not long ago...43 in NY...45 in NJ...50 in Mass leading the league
Remember in March when you and the kept boy were blatting because I said it will get worse and Tweety’s not leading?
He’s still absent
We still have rampant Corona virus
He’s trying to make protesters the issue while stuck in the WH because the Secret Service can’t cover him in NJ to play golf because of COVID-19
He’s not the sharpest tool in the bunker
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scottw

06-27-2020, 04:22 AM

Pete and Repeat are in a boat. Pete fell out. Who's left?

I don't know who Repeat is...but pete/repete are one in the same...if pete/repete was in a boat and found himself in the water he was most likely thrown overboard by whoever is left

..

scottw

06-27-2020, 05:37 AM

While we have an Administration trying to take insurance away from 20 million Americans the VP refuses to say that we should be wearing masks
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skinny is a compliment for men over 40 :huh:

RickBomba

06-27-2020, 01:49 PM

I don't know how many are linking in to this site who are not members. You might be surprised if an actual number were somehow discovered. I found it by linking to a subject which was also being discussed here. The search engines are fairly rigorous, if not totally thorough, about finding sources on most subjects. So there may be a lot more reading these posts than you think. After a while, it occurred to me that if I found this site through my search engine, my forum name might also be found there. So I checked--dang if it wasn't there. Yup, It was there with a link to this site. I just checked again and it was gone. So it only lasts for a limited time.

But, like the virus, political opinions spread from initial sources, whatever they may be, throughout the total population over time. Most of our opinions are just personal rehash of what we heard or read or saw or learned about from another source, usually some media, or personal contact. Your negative views of Trump, I'm confidently guessing, aren't based on personal contact or association over time with him. But probably from media sources or someone relating something to you that he got from some media source. I have read your and Pete's and Spences opinions, many linking to some article or source as evidence to bolster as well as inform, their perspective. But I have read very convincing sources that dispute theirs and paint a different Picture.

The problem with media, as you well know, is its bias. One source may portray a report differently, than another. And I have found that not only the slant in what is said may differ, but actual information may be included in one source that isn't in another. Bias by omission is as effective as misinformation.

So I am agnostic about what is the truth. But, in the current state of politics, the personal characteristics of a politician are far less important to me than are their politics.

So, maybe we're being hoodwinked, for whatever reason--political, philosophical, power, or greed--into an incomplete or bogus view. It was so stark in difference between how CNN, MSNBC, NBC, CBS and ABC delivered their news and editorials and talk programs on the ongoing Mueller investigation as well as the impeachment process, in contrast to Fox and various right wingish internet shows. And which news agencies leaned more accurately toward the final results.

As far as doling out funds, maybe it's being done as needed rather than all at once. I don't know, but I believe that if it could be proved that the funding was being mishandled by the administration, it would be politically damaging to it, so I would expect that intentionally improper withholding would be avoided.

I don't "defend" Trump per se. I would rather that he kept about his business, as he does, with much less bravado, and more humility. Just do it and let the results speak for themselves. But I understand why he does it.

My favorite President was Calvin Coolidge who has been referred to as "the quiet President."
But though he lacked a lot of speechifying and politicking, he was one of the few Presidents who reduced the debt and stuck far more to Constitutional constraints than other 20th and 21rst century Presidents.

What I am trying to "defend" is not Trump, but our constitutional form of government. The actual historical record shows that Progressivism is anti-constitutional as has been documented by some of us on his forum. It is absolutely authoritarian in its political philosophy. The historical connection of Democrat Progressivism to Soviet and current Communism has been shown by some of us on this forum. There are avowed socialists in the current Democrat party that seem to have more influence than some of the decades serving Democrat leaders.

I want Trump to win not because I like him or wish to defend him. I don't. But I don't want a Progressive or Socialist for whom the Constitution is an obstacle rather than a blueprint. And that dichotomy is greater now than it has ever been. If the Democrats seize control of all levers of our government, they will surely, without a doubt, proudly return to their historical open desire to transform this nation into the non-constitutional administrative state which, in essence, will have an increasingly total control of every aspect of our lives.

S-b.com deep state?

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Got Stripers

06-27-2020, 01:59 PM

scottw

06-27-2020, 02:17 PM

Got Stripers

06-27-2020, 02:25 PM

scottw

06-27-2020, 02:28 PM

Poking fun as the Trump polls take a dive, hope you Orange Man fans aren’t getting nervous. The only card he had to play is in the dumpster and with the virus fire burning again, a good campaign slogan might be hard to find.

if you are lucky lots of Americans will die, the economy will sink into depression, schools and businesses won't reopen and violent mobs will roam the streets...then you win :)

Got Stripers

06-27-2020, 02:34 PM

You really are fu*ked in the head if you think any rational person regardless of party wishes that, what been binge reading conspiracy theories?

scottw

06-27-2020, 02:39 PM

You really are fu*ked in the head if you think any rational person regardless of party wishes that, what been binge reading conspiracy theories?

all the good ones :read: who said I think you are rational? I question the rationality of many these days

Sea Dangles

06-27-2020, 07:25 PM

How can you believe an X walleye fisherman who doesn’t even own a fishing rod and trolls a political forum on an obscure fishing site across the country? Pontificating is his MO as lying is Trump’s MO and insulting people for sport is SD’s MO; thanks boss for reining that behavior in.
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This isn’t a shining example of places to go for news flash.
I recommend you don’t put too much credibility on any of the statements nor opinions that you find on the SB political page.certainly the sentiment is amplified if the respondents don’t have fishing rod. Please never let me get so old that I say this type of crap.

Guppy

06-28-2020, 12:56 AM

This isn’t a shining example of places to go for news flash.
I recommend you don’t put too much credibility on any of the statements nor opinions that you find on the SB political page.certainly the sentiment is amplified if the respondents don’t have fishing rod. Please never let me get so old that I say this type of crap.

Oh you’ll see..... LOL

Got Stripers

06-28-2020, 06:57 AM

Sea Dangles

06-28-2020, 08:51 AM

Said the guy spewing so much crap he had to be reprimanded by the boss and put on notice enough was enough. Too funny.
But unlike your mentor I can still start threads and
I KNOW you are paying close attention because I own fishing poles.��

PaulS

06-28-2020, 12:32 PM

But unlike your mentor I can still start threads and
I KNOW you are paying close attention because I own fishing poles.��
Do you have to check with your wife before you buy them?
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scottw

06-28-2020, 03:03 PM

Do you have to check with your wife before you buy them?
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pretty snarky

PaulS

06-28-2020, 06:29 PM

pretty snarky

You must be new here if you think that is snarky compared to what is usually posted here.
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Sea Dangles

06-28-2020, 06:59 PM

Do you have to check with your wife before you buy them?
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No, do you ask your other which skinny jeans look best?

PaulS

06-28-2020, 07:03 PM

No, do you ask your other which skinny jeans look best?

she actually bring them home thank you
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Sea Dangles

06-28-2020, 07:47 PM

she actually bring them home thank you
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I am SO proud of my big boy!
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wdmso

07-02-2020, 05:48 AM

US buys nearly all of Gilead's Covid-19 drug remdesivir

Now this administration is hedging it bets that some how this drug will help in nov ? Sounds like a campaign line. President Trump has struck an amazing deal to ensure Americans have access to the first authorised therapeutic

And its not a silver bullet

Tests suggest remdesivir cuts recovery times, (by like 4 days) though it is not yet clear if it improves survival rates.

Any help in treatment is good..

So what happens when another country (china) develops a covid vaccine and keeps it or buys up 3-6 months of production for themselves ..

Trump just gave away the high ground... no country is going to go out of its way to help the US.. seeing we cant even limit the virus spread in our own country by are own citizens.. to many are think theres a pill or will be a for it..

And this purchase just reinforces this idea

TRump still can't say all americans should wear a mask.. his base would call him a Rino
But by not saying it.. they see that as what leadership... to many fanboys
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Pete F.

07-02-2020, 06:11 AM

Surprised Tweety thought we needed it
"It is dying out...The numbers are starting to get very good."
-- Donald J. Trump on the coronavirus, June 18, 2020. Two weeks ago.
New cases yesterday 52K largely in red states.
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Sea Dangles

07-02-2020, 06:13 AM

Got Stripers

07-02-2020, 07:12 AM

Fear not our fearless leader still maintains this will magically disappear, we can rest easy and just hang on waiting for that magic moment. Presidential commentary at it’s finest.

RickBomba

07-02-2020, 09:33 AM

Do you always wear a mask when within 6’ of another person Wayne?
Will you be in close contact with a person who eschews the mask?

It’s Massachusetts, Dangles.

You gotsta wear masks.

My dad made all the Granby Cops temporary Board of Health Employees....they write tickets.

Wear the goddam masks and stop whining.

Or maybe you think not wearing masks is Winning...ain’t no winning happening in the GOP right now for sure.

TikTok...election is coming up quick.
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Sea Dangles

07-02-2020, 09:53 AM

It’s Massachusetts, Dangles.

You gotsta wear masks.

My dad made all the Granby Cops temporary Board of Health Employees....they write tickets.

Wear the goddam masks and stop whining.

Or maybe you think not wearing masks is Winning...ain’t no winning happening in the GOP right now for sure.

TikTok...election is coming up quick.
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Ricky, I asked Wayne a question. Only a true liberal would interpret a question as whining. Are you ok?

My point was going to be; unless you are wearing a mask anytime you are within 6’ then you probably are part of the problem.

See, I know he fished w Gupp who is not exactly mask centric.
Hahaha
Did you know that drinking and driving is also illegal in MA?
See if your Dad can tell boh to do sobriety checks too!
Stop the disease from spreading and all that
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Pete F.

07-02-2020, 10:26 AM

Tweety finally wore a mask the other day & said he felt like the Lone Ranger. But the Lone Ranger's mask had two eye holes in it, while Tweety’s mask had only one #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^& in it.
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wdmso

07-02-2020, 12:43 PM

Do you always wear a mask when within 6’ of another person Wayne?
Will you be in close contact with a person who eschews the mask?
i wear a mask when i am around strangers whom i dont know store restaurants to pick up food post office ect. i wont wear one around people I reasonably know wear a mask out in public and pratice safe distancing .. i am not indoors sitting on their laps and i am not in their face while on mine or theirs boats ..was invited to a housewarming party recently with 50 people expected to attend .. i did not attend outside or not

And if they eschew or wont and dont wear a mask ever .. no I wont be in close contact .
With out my mask being on..

Not sure what your point is regarding my post ?

And it seems you have where and when people should and should not wear masks as a binary choice..

I would suggest if most americans wore a mask just while out or when unable to socal distance 50% of the time, and not be at the bar or beach with no masks or distance we wouldn't see infections rates as high as they are.. whats the saying freedom isn't Free ...
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Sea Dangles

07-02-2020, 01:51 PM

So you also have an attitude of Do what I say,Not what I do.
That is convenient
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wdmso

07-02-2020, 02:58 PM

So you also have an attitude of Do what I say,Not what I do.
That is convenient
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seems you have a attitude you dont care what the POTUS does or doesn't do or say but more concerned what I do or dont do or when I do it >>

I am sure I wear my mask in a more responsible manner 100% of the time when in stores or large groups ... definitely more responsible than Trump.. and with a constant message to others (know your friends).. so our difference being I dont care when or where you wear your mask or your thoughts on wearing one ..your not the POTUS

However please let's here your Mask routine because right now you havent said anything.. for or against for full disclosure of course

Sea Dangles

07-02-2020, 04:09 PM

I wear my mask when I have to wear it.
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wdmso

07-02-2020, 04:35 PM

I wear my mask when I have to wear it.
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so not much different than me... funny how that works
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Sea Dangles

07-02-2020, 07:47 PM

The funny part is some libs blame our president for their own inconsistencies
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RickBomba

07-03-2020, 07:18 AM

I wear my mask when I have to wear it.
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See, now doesn’t that make you feel better, just saying that?

Makes me feel better just hearing it...that’s the truth.
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Pete F.

07-06-2020, 08:52 AM

Unfortunately it's not untrue.

Wait till this afternoon when we see Tweety in his Rose Garden Presser try and pivot the attention from the virus to the riots.
Just like in the 1968 race, when Roger Ailes told Nixon to pivot from Vietnam to the post-King riots.
Nixon went full-on "law and order" not only about African Americans but also about the hippy proto-Bernie Bros in Chicago.

Ailes knew the secret "law and order" was a code for race and for culture anxiety in 1968. The language, the "Silent Majority" crap, the aggrieved whining is 1968 all over again.

Tweety wants the coverage of burning buildings. Tweety wants the cops v protesters.

By later today, you'll see posts about law and order backing a lawless and orderless Administration led by a criminal. Bannon, Miller, and the rest of the Trump fluffers ADORE this culture war.

They're ALREADY modeling how the rioting plays for campaign messaging, I promise you.

Also, 103,000 Americans are dead.

Now with 133,000 Americans dead, Tweety stays on message desperately trying to change the narrative to bad black men, riots in the streets and saving the Confederacy.

He starts the week by going after NASCAR’s only top black driver and criticizing the racing association’s decision to ban Confederate flags in order to generate more fodder for his ever declining base.

Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
Has @BubbaWallace apologized to all of those great NASCAR drivers & officials who came to his aid, stood by his side, & were willing to sacrifice everything for him, only to find out that the whole thing was just another HOAX? That & Flag decision has caused lowest ratings EVER!
8:33 AM · Jul 6, 2020·Twitter for iPhone

What do the Vietnam War and the War on the Corona Virus both have in common?

Donald Trump ran away from fighting in both....