Looks like Antifa is winning the day.

Disgusting.

I surely hope this does not come to a neighborhood near any of us, soon.

Glad I deleted my FB and don’t tell anyone where I sleep at night.

Disgusting.

There is plenty of room for improvements.

Looks like Antifa is winning the day.

Disgusting.

I surely hope this does not come to a neighborhood near any of us, soon.

Glad I deleted my FB and don’t tell anyone where I sleep at night.

Disgusting.

Its antifa fault ? that unarmed black are 5x more likely to be kill by police..

Black women killed In wrong house no knock raid Kentucky shot like 8 times
Black jogger hunted and killed took months to press charges
Woman in central park call cops on " black man is threatening me" he was just asking to put here dog on a leash
Or the cop kneeling on the guy neck, resulting in death called Positional Asphyxia.
Is not accidental

I can see why they may be pissed off

What are whites pissd off about ,,, being told they have to wear a mask. Or can't go to church for a little bit. Why are they upset


Because it violates their personal liberties .. I would say those listed above what about their personal liberties




I dont see the benfits of riots and burningc #^&#^&#^&#^& , but I also dont live in their world where they only way they are heard or noticed other than a Trump sound bite about unemployment is. if they burn the place down

But crowds have a odd dynamic


The Faceless Crowd
In psychology A2 (AQA) one area of study is the DEINDIVIDUATION THEORY. This theory is based on the classic crowd theory of Gustave Le Bon (1895) he claimed that an individual transformed when part of a crowd through a combination of anonymity, Suggestibility and Contagion meaning that a "collective mind" takes over the individual. I shan't bore you with the rest of the nature and process of deindividuation because that will waste both of our time. There were two main areas of research conducted.
Zimbardo (1969) carried out a study into anonymity that showed when levels of anonymity increased levels of aggression increased.
And then there was Mullen who in 1982 analysed newspaper cutting of 60 lynches in the US between 1899 and 1946. He found that the more people in the mob the greater the savagery they killed there victims, the crowd would undergo a process of deindivuation.


And over at Breitbart a site so white you need sunglasses to read it. The dog whistle are blowing

George Soros. He's paying for anarchists (just like ANTIFA) to cause widespread unrest ahead of the 2020 election. These globalists never let a good crisis go to waste.

Its antifa fault ? that unarmed black are 5x more likely to be kill by police..

Black women killed In wrong house no knock raid Kentucky shot like 8 times
Black jogger hunted and killed took months to press charges
Woman in central park call cops on " black man is threatening me" he was just asking to put here dog on a leash
Or the cop kneeling on the guy neck, resulting in death called Positional Asphyxia.
Is not accidental

I can see why they may be pissed off

What are whites pissd off about ,,, being told they have to wear a mask. Or can't go to church for a little bit. Why are they upset


Because it violates their personal liberties .. I would say those listed above what about their personal liberties




I dont see the benfits of riots and burningc #^&#^&#^&#^& , but I also dont live in their world where they only way they are heard or noticed other than a Trump sound bite about unemployment is. if they burn the place down

But crowds have a odd dynamic


The Faceless Crowd
In psychology A2 (AQA) one area of study is the DEINDIVIDUATION THEORY. This theory is based on the classic crowd theory of Gustave Le Bon (1895) he claimed that an individual transformed when part of a crowd through a combination of anonymity, Suggestibility and Contagion meaning that a "collective mind" takes over the individual. I shan't bore you with the rest of the nature and process of deindividuation because that will waste both of our time. There were two main areas of research conducted.
Zimbardo (1969) carried out a study into anonymity that showed when levels of anonymity increased levels of aggression increased.
And then there was Mullen who in 1982 analysed newspaper cutting of 60 lynches in the US between 1899 and 1946. He found that the more people in the mob the greater the savagery they killed there victims, the crowd would undergo a process of deindivuation.


And over at Breitbart a site so white you need sunglasses to read it. The dog whistle are blowing

George Soros. He's paying for anarchists (just like ANTIFA) to cause widespread unrest ahead of the 2020 election. These globalists never let a good crisis go to waste.

What % of murdered blacks are killed by blacks? But which black murders get all the attention? And why is that?

"What are whites pissd off about ,,, being told they have to wear a mask"

You get to speak for blacks and whites? Nice work if you can get it...

That post, is what happens when you never, ever listen (I mean really listen thoughtfully) to anyone who isn't liberal. What happens when you just thougtlessly believe everything MSNBC says.

How many interactions are there in a year between white cops and back citizens? And how many end in tragedy? Is it a high percentage, or a miniscule percentage?

The guy quickly got fired and arrested. WTF more do you want? How do you justify burning down a business that you hope is owned by someone with the same skin color as the one who was arrested?

What % of murdered blacks are killed by blacks? But which black murders get all the attention? And why is that?

"What are whites pissd off about ,,, being told they have to wear a mask"

You get to speak for blacks and whites? Nice work if you can get it...

That post, is what happens when you never, ever listen (I mean really listen thoughtfully) to anyone who isn't liberal. What happens when you just thougtlessly believe everything MSNBC says.

How many interactions are there in a year between white cops and back citizens? And how many end in tragedy? Is it a high percentage, or a miniscule percentage?

The guy quickly got fired and arrested. WTF more do you want? How do you justify burning down a business that you hope is owned by someone with the same skin color as the one who was arrested?


This has nothing to do with black on black crime

Or the percentage of police interaction as some how excusing police brutally

Funny this is the same covid 19 argument not that 100k died in 3months but look who didn't die argument.. thats fine for the living

Your lack of historical prespective is amazing

I been clear i dont think buring your where you live is productive..

But clearly they feel the have no other choice . That alone shoud be a bigger concern
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This has nothing to do with black on black crime

Or the percentage of police interaction as some how excusing police brutally

Funny this is the same covid 19 argument not that 100k died in 3months but look who didn't die argument.. thats fine for the living

Your lack of historical prespective is amazing

I been clear i dont think buring your where you live is productive..

But clearly they feel the have no other choice . That alone shoud be a bigger concern
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"This has nothing to do with black on black crime "

You're making my point. But even though black-on-black crime dwarfs cop-on-black crime, liberals ignore black-on-black crime, and obsess over cop-on-black crime, for political capital and TV ratings.

Tell me how this rioting is likely to help, as opposed to what Martin Luther King would have done.

"I been clear i dont think buring your where you live is productive"

Are you saying that burning where someone else lives is more productive?

These morons attacked CNNs headquarters. CNN is the best friend these idiots have. This isn't about seeking any justice, it's just a bunch of feral animals going berserk, otherwise why attack CNN of all places?

"This has nothing to do with black on black crime "

You're making my point. But even though black-on-black crime dwarfs cop-on-black crime, liberals ignore black-on-black crime, and obsess over cop-on-black crime, for political capital and TV ratings.

Tell me how this rioting is likely to help, as opposed to what Martin Luther King would have done.

"I been clear i dont think buring your where you live is productive"

Are you saying that burning where someone else lives is more productive?

These morons attacked CNNs headquarters. CNN is the best friend these idiots have. This isn't about seeking any justice, it's just a bunch of feral animals going berserk, otherwise why attack CNN of all places?

again you are trying to show black on black crime and police crimes as somehow the same ? you are truly gifted in BS

Crimes committed by those who represent the Government or States

Are called Tyranny!

funny Conservatives and yourself must think the use of this word is only reserved for gun owner and causes on you feel worthy or those who dont want to wear a mask or want the state to reopen due to this hoax ?

Martin Luther King is dead... killed by a white guy he is not here to ask and I think they have tried his example ,, yet here we are

love the use of term Animals it clears shows where you stand

again you are trying to show black on black crime and police crimes as somehow the same ? you are truly gifted in BS

Crimes committed by those who represent the Government or States

Are called Tyranny!

funny Conservatives and yourself must think the use of this word is only reserved for gun owner and causes on you feel worthy or those who dont want to wear a mask or want the state to reopen due to this hoax ?

Martin Luther King is dead... killed by a white guy he is not here to ask and I think they have tried his example ,, yet here we are

love the use of term Animals it clears shows where you stand

i did not say black
on black crime is the same as cop on black crime ( in all seriousness, do you
not know how to read?). they aren’t close to the same. one is ravaging the black community, the other is rare enough to be just about meaningless.

i didn’t just use the term “animal”, as many animals
have more decency then these scumbags. i said feral animal, and that’s exactly what they are.

“MLK is dead”.

you really should stick to doing body cavity searches, this isn’t your thing. i know he’s dead. but before he died ( and after), his message ( skin color doesn’t mean anything) worked, he effected change. He made things better. these people won’t change anything.

you tell us Einstein, how does stealing a playstation from target help address police brutality? We’re all ears.

his crime wasn’t sanctioned by the government, otherwise why was he quickly fired and arrested? what more do these people
want? the guy was fired and arrested.


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Crimes committed by those who represent the Government or States

Are called Tyranny!

I don't mean to interfere in a dispute you're having with Jim, but your notion of tyranny is excessively original, or at least fairly unique, or maybe a bit ignorant.

Tyranny, as applied to government, is not a crime. "Crimes committed by those who represent the Government or States," as you put it, are, indeed, called crimes.

The government determines what it considers a crime.

A tyrannical government is under the authority of a tyrant or some form of absolute rule. Such government would not consider any actions it took as crimes, but would be considered its prerogative.

A "fair" or "just" government would not consider criminal actions of its officers as tyranny (unless it was speaking very loosely or sloppily, that is, inaccurately). To do so would be accusing itself of tyranny.

The offending officer, in committing a crime would be acting outside of the laws of that government. So, it would consider and call the offending officer's action a crime--not tyranny.

funny Conservatives and yourself must think the use of this word is only reserved for gun owner and causes on you feel worthy or those who dont want to wear a mask or want the state to reopen due to this hoax ?

Oppressive, unjust, or despotic government is a form of absolutist government (a tyranny). And when a "fair" or "just" government does at times act oppressively or unjustly, it then degrades into despotism. In those cases when our government imposes authoritarian strictures on us that are outside of its Constitutional limitations, we can rightly call that tyranny. Calling it merely a crime is minimizing the serious implications and consequences of breaching the constitutional order and setting a precedent for doing so.

And by the way, to what are you referring when you say "this hoax"?

Martin Luther King is dead... killed by a white guy he is not here to ask and I think they have tried his example ,, yet here we are

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Actually, King's example led to a lot of civil rights reform, as well as the overall improvement in white perspective of black people. King's example was very fruitful in race relations. It's only negative might have been in unintentionally persuading the government to eventually go too far in trying to make up for past racial injustice.

And the example of destructive rioting has been tried . . . yet here we are. It destroys King's dream and maintains and fans the flame of hateful divisions that have been become "justified" and entrenched in our country.

what more do these people
want? the guy was fired and arrested.
I think people don’t want people to be killed because they’re black Jim.
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I think people don’t want people to be killed because they’re black Jim.
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And they can achieve that, by burning down an Auto Zone and stealing sneakers from Target?

King's example was very fruitful in race relations. .

Today, they take the Al Sharpton approach...the exact opposite of what King begged us to do.

And they can achieve that, by burning down an Auto Zone and stealing sneakers from Target?
Somebody tried just kneeling to protest and you ridiculed them.

Not sure who’s leading the violence, some say opportunistic white nationalists are in the mix. It’s pretty effed up.
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Not sure who’s leading the violence, some say opportunistic white nationalists are in the mix. It’s pretty effed up.

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I saw lots of KKK members running down the street with big screen tv's

I saw lots of KKK members running down the street with big screen tv's
Good then post the link.
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Somebody tried just kneeling to protest and you ridiculed them.

Not sure who’s leading the violence, some say opportunistic white nationalists are in the mix. It’s pretty effed up.
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yes i ridiculed colin, because that protest was also stupid. because the national anthem has
about as much to do with police brutality, as the local Auto Zone.

Spencey, if you got ripped
off at Chick Fil A, would
you toss a brick through a window at McDonalds?

these protests, are exactly that stupid.

these are poorly raised thugs looking for an excuse to riot.
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Not sure who’s leading the violence, some say opportunistic white nationalists are in the mix.
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i’m sure that’s what it is.
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I saw lots of KKK members running down the street with big screen tv's

i saw Steve Bannon throw a
Molatav cocktail through the local Target.
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Good then post the link.
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It was on msnbc
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Aug 10, 2018 07:18:55 AM
The NFL players are at it again - taking a knee when they should be standing proudly for the National Anthem. Numerous players, from different teams, wanted to show their “outrage” at something that most of them are unable to define. They make a fortune doing what they love...... [Twitter for iPhone]
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How many people lost jobs, were injured, lost property, lost libraries, lost stores, lost markets, lost museums last night in peaceful protests?

How many good cops were injured last night ?

How many tomorrow?

We need better community policing and we need Agencies to be able to fire bad cops without coverage from the Police Union. How many bad cops are protected?

Just now they are showing citizens cleaning up the morning after the riots.... Want to guess what group is not represented in any of the pics?????? That is an observation, don't you dare label it as racist....

To be clear; I was appalled and outraged after viewing the public execution of George Floyd. Cop should get murder one. The other cops should be indicted and charged appropriately after examining ALL the available information.
As for the rest of the reactions from POTUS and other cities across this nation? I would call the majority of it misdirected. Using the actions of a murderer to burn and loot is not the way to create positive change.....

How many people lost jobs, were injured, lost property, lost libraries, lost stores, lost markets, lost museums last night in peaceful protests?

How many good cops were injured last night ?

How many tomorrow?

We need better community policing and we need Agencies to be able to fire bad cops without coverage from the Police Union. How many bad cops are protected?


The country needs to look a Bostons example of community policing . So far boston has had protest which haven't turned out of control

How many people lost jobs, were injured, lost property, lost libraries, lost stores, lost markets, lost museums last night in peaceful protests?

How many good cops were injured last night ?

How many tomorrow?

We need better community policing and we need Agencies to be able to fire bad cops without coverage from the Police Union. How many bad cops are protected?

i agree with all that, but in this case the guy was fired and arrested quickly. not sure what more you can expect.

we also need a media that reports the truth, instead of pushing the outcome they have a vested interest in, and pushing us to hate each other.
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Just now they are showing citizens cleaning up the morning after the riots.... Want to guess what group is not represented in any of the pics?????? That is an observation, don't you dare label it as racist....
Sounds pretty racist to me.
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Trump tweet


80% of the RIOTERS in Minneapolis last night were from OUT OF STATE. They are harming businesses (especially African American small businesses), homes, and the community of good, hardworking Minneapolis residents who want peace, equality, and to provide for their families.

so 80 % of lets say 10k protesters is 8000 thousands people are From Out of State

I have some questions What states did they come ? where did they All park? where do they all eat and sleep when their not rioting


I could see if they said they were from other parts of the States but no they went full conspiracy theory

Trump Lays Blame For Clashes On 'Radical-Left Anarchists'


next step is to label Antifa who is without official leaders as a terrorist

group ..


under domestic terrorism patriot act reads
A person engages in domestic terrorism if they do an act "dangerous to human life" that is a violation of the criminal laws of a state or the United States, if the act appears to be intended to: (i) intimidate or coerce a civilian population; (ii) influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or (iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination or kidnapping. Additionally, the acts have to occur primarily within the territorial jurisdiction of the United States


So in a nutshell Trump wants to use that patriot acts broad definition... to silence any opposition and just yell antifa ... hes already doing it with tweeter

But armed protesters who invade state houses Trump provides Support LIBERATE MICHIGAN!

must be nice to :faga: hes laying the foundution

But armed protesters who invade state houses Trump provides Support LIBERATE MICHIGAN!



yes, they were quite violent setting fire to stuff and looting stores and beating people up....it's good that the current protests are peaceful and non-violent unlike those domestic terrorists who invaded the state house in Michigan

yes, they were quite violent setting fire to stuff and looting stores and beating people up....it's good that the current protests are peaceful and non-violent unlike those domestic terrorists who invaded the state house in Michigan

I think the phrase you’re looking for is “Stormed” the State House.
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The country needs to look a Bostons example of community policing . So far boston has had protest which haven't turned out of control


Boston has done OK - the protests today were also OK. Non Violent.


Sounds pretty racist to me.
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I'll answer this for you Spence: Black People, White people, and every other shade were cleaning up. You know what group wasn't cleaning up? Antifa.

I'll answer this for you Spence: Black People, White people, and every other shade were cleaning up. You know what group wasn't cleaning up? Antifa.
Evidence please!
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Ohhh, I dunno, I watched hours last night with people rioting, some protesting, and a sizeable lot of black and white thugs destroying things. SOME of the white people were all done up in black (masks, jackets, pants, hats or helmets) common of Black Bloc and Antifa.

This morning watching the news for an hour and change showed lots of neighborhoods with black and white people pitching in together, cleaning up stores, broken glass, and their neighborhood. But I did not see any black clad Antifa or Black Bloc there. Are you thinking that they went home, changed out of the Commieforms, and came back and helped?

I know sometimes you think your posts will spur critical thought, but sometimes you say the stupidest things. :buds:

Ohhh, I dunno, I watched hours last night with people rioting, some protesting, and a sizeable lot of black and white thugs destroying things. SOME of the white people were all done up in black (masks, jackets, pants, hats or helmets) common of Black Bloc and Antifa.

This morning watching the news for an hour and change showed lots of neighborhoods with black and white people pitching in together, cleaning up stores, broken glass, and their neighborhood. But I did not see any black clad Antifa or Black Bloc there. Are you thinking that they went home, changed out of the Commieforms, and came back and helped?

I know sometimes you think your posts will spur critical thought, but sometimes you say the stupidest things. :buds:
Empty.
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Stop describing your insight so harshly Jeff

Saw a stat that cops kill 2x more whites than blacks per year. When do we start the riots? I need a new TV.

Saw a stat that cops kill 2x more whites than blacks per year. When do we start the riots? I need a new TV.

well there are more than twice as many whites...but common sense suggests that cops will kill
most people where violent crimes occur, which is in poor urban areas, where there are more blacks.

i read that in 2019, 9 unarmed blacks were killed by cops in the US. 9. That’s not a systematic pattern of racist assassinations by police officers. one is too many, but 9 isn’t systemic racism.
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The country needs to look a Bostons example of community policing . So far boston has had protest which haven't turned out of control

So much for that shining example :rolleyes:
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Empty.
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Well I was unaware I would need to DVR it for you.


So much for that shining example :rolleyes:
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Yeh.

"Eff' the city and move into residential areas - white hoods...and we take what's ours." - yours Antifa friends.
That won't go over well.

Saw a stat that cops kill 2x more whites than blacks per year. When do we start the riots? I need a new TV.

I think the issue is Unarmed and Math


In absolute numbers, more white people than black people are killed in police shootings (because white people outnumber black people in America).

I think the issue is Unarmed and Math


In absolute numbers, more white people than black people are killed in police shootings (because white people outnumber black people in America).

i read that nine unarmed black men were killed by cops in the US in 2019. In Chicago, 9 murders happen in an average weekend. black-on-black violence is therefore a much bigger threat to blacks day to day. but that doesn’t help democrats get elected so it gets ignored, and the left acts as if blacks are hunted every day by white cops.
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I think the issue is Unarmed and Math


In absolute numbers, more white people than black people are killed in police shootings (because white people outnumber black people in America).

i read that nine unarmed black men were killed by cops in the US in 2019. In Chicago, 9 murders happen in an average weekend. black-on-black violence is therefore a much bigger threat to blacks day to day. but that doesn’t help democrats get elected so it gets ignored, and the left acts as if blacks are hunted every day by white cops.

blacks are shot and killed
by cops in disproportionate numbers. is it because of racism? or is it because blacks disproportionately live in areas with lots of violent crime?
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now Trump wants the Joint chief of staff to handle the Riots??

Trumps Is willing to put US troops on the Street .. using Antifa

at attacking anyone with a D next to their name must be how you united a country

Trump tells nation's governors 'most of you are weak

Trump told the governors that "you have to use the military" and "we have a wonderful military,"


The White House
✔
@WhiteHouse
“These THUGS are dishonoring the memory of George Floyd, and I won’t let that happen. Just spoke to Governor Tim Walz and told him that the Military is with him all the way. Any difficulty and we will assume control but, when the looting starts, the shooting starts. Thank you!”

Protesters running amok. Innocent citizens under siege. Outside actors engaging in terrorist acts. Police struggling to maintain control and in desperate need of reinforcements.

That was how Chinese state media portrayed anti-government protests in Hong Kong last year, dismissing calls for greater democracy and an investigation into police brutality by focusing on individual acts of violence and property damage. The widespread unrest, and the prospect of more this year, has been used to justify a new national security bill that will be imposed upon the city by Beijing in coming months.

Then, the US supported people's right to take to the streets and have their voices heard, and that sporadic violence or illegality did not undermine the core demands or legitimacy of the movement.

Protesters running amok. Innocent citizens under siege. Outside actors engaging in terrorist acts. Police struggling to maintain control and in desperate need of reinforcements.

That was how Chinese state media portrayed anti-government protests in Hong Kong last year, dismissing calls for greater democracy and an investigation into police brutality by focusing on individual acts of violence and property damage. The widespread unrest, and the prospect of more this year, has been used to justify a new national security bill that will be imposed upon the city by Beijing in coming months.

Then, the US supported people's right to take to the streets and have their voices heard, and that sporadic violence or illegality did not undermine the core demands or legitimacy of the movement.

Dozens of journalists covering anti-racism protests that have rocked the US have reported being targeted by security forces using tear gas, rubber bullets and pepper spray.

now where would they get that Idea from enemy of the people

Dozens of journalists covering anti-racism protests that have rocked the US have reported being targeted by security forces using tear gas, rubber bullets and pepper spray.

now where would they get that Idea from enemy of the people

Yeah . . . as you know . . . the security forces were all trump "supporters" and they heard his dog whistles.

Yeah . . . as you know . . . the security forces were all trump "supporters" and they heard his dog whistles.

Tweety’s tweet

The professionally managed so-called “protesters” at the White House had little to do with the memory of George Floyd. They were just there to cause trouble. The @SecretService handled them easily. Tonight, I understand, is MAGA NIGHT AT THE WHITE HOUSE???
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Tweety’s tweet

The professionally managed so-called “protesters” at the White House had little to do with the memory of George Floyd. They were just there to cause trouble. The @SecretService handled them easily. Tonight, I understand, is MAGA NIGHT AT THE WHITE HOUSE???
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Whoopie . . .

We have reached a low when the president instead of trying to calm the country is threatening US military in states that don’t handle this to his satisfaction.

Yup
He needs to pass out hugs

We have reached a low when the president instead of trying to calm the country is threatening US military in states that don’t handle this to his satisfaction.

As in past riots that local government couldn't handle, the national guard was able to "calm the country."

As in past riots that local government couldn't handle, the national guard was able to "calm the country."

The national guard is not the only military action he was threatening, states have done that, he is threatening more federal intervention.

The national guard is not the only military action he was threatening, states have done that, he is threatening more federal intervention.

if the national guard can’t ensure safety, doesn't trump have the obligation to raise the bar? eisenhower sent in the 101st airborne to ensure school
desegregation after the national guard failed to do so.

if the national guard can’t do it, is the potus supposed to just watch cities burn?
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The national guard is not the only military action he was threatening, states have done that, he is threatening more federal intervention.

Keyleigh McEnany in her press briefing today said that the "assets" that General Milley would be in charge of is the national guard.

Peaceful protesters were gassed and shot with rubber bullets to clear away a space near a church to give Trump a photo-op waving a bible flanked by AG Barr and Sec Def Esper. Monstrous. Anticonstitutional.

This will get far worse and will escalate enough to fulfill Putin’s dreams

Congratulations Trumplicans

A sad day for Americans

When facism comes to America it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross.

We are there

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Bishop Edgar Budde of the Episcopal Diocese of Washington tells CNN on air: "I am outraged. The president did not pray when he came to St. John's nor did he acknowledge the agony of our country right now."

"We distance ourselves from the incendiary language of this president."
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Bishop Edgar Budde of the Episcopal Diocese of Washington tells CNN on air: "I am outraged. The president did not pray when he came to St. John's nor did he acknowledge the agony of our country right now."

"We distance ourselves from the incendiary language of this president."
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He kind of sounds like you . . . but not as tasteless.

He kind of sounds like you . . . but not as tasteless.

America doesn’t matter to you, apparently
As long as the Citrus Caligula wins
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America doesn’t matter to you, apparently
As long as the Citrus Caligula wins
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I think America would be much better without divisive people like you.

if the national guard can’t ensure safety, doesn't trump have the obligation to raise the bar? eisenhower sent in the 101st airborne to ensure school
desegregation after the national guard failed to do so.

if the national guard can’t do it, is the potus supposed to just watch cities burn?
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That’s been his tactic with PPE and other preventative measures with Covid... “Let the states handle it”

Now that black people are involved in an activity associated with unrest, he all of a sudden wants to intervene in state business to look like a tough guy for his supporters

You can have one or the other, but selectively applying your own rules is never a good idea when things are being recorded and reported live
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That’s been his tactic with PPE and other preventative measures with Covid... “Let the states handle it”

Now that black people are involved in an activity associated with unrest, he all of a sudden wants to intervene in state business to look like a tough guy for his supporters

You can have one or the other, but selectively applying your own rules is never a good idea when things are being recorded and reported live
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Blacks are proportionately hit harder by Covid, and they reminded Trump about that. And that was reported live.

"Eff' the city and move into residential areas - white hoods...and we take what's ours." - yours Antifa friends.
That won't go over well.
Actually looks like this was from a fake account set up by a white nationalist group.
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Blacks are proportionately hit harder by Covid, and they reminded Trump about that. And that was reported live.

What does this have to do with the point that you quoted to respond to?
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Trump using military police to move US citizens expressing their freedom of speech so he could walk across to street to have a photo op in front of the church says it all; it’s always been all about him. I’m surprised he didn’t get killed by a bolt of lightening as he held up a book he clearly doesn’t live his life by.

Trump using military police to move US citizens expressing their freedom of speech so he could walk across to street to have a photo op in front of the church says it all; it’s always been all about him. I’m surprised he didn’t get killed by a bolt of lightening as he held up a book he clearly doesn’t live his life by.

What a clown. I almost laughed as he wants others to show strength as he hides in his bunker and talks tough. Why doesn't he go out there and "punch them in the face"?

What a clown. I almost laughed as he wants others to show strength as he hides in his bunker and talks tough. Why doesn't he go out there and "punch them in the face"?

Is this your new reality?
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Is this your new reality?
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Roly - you get a bike to help you get that BMI down?

I have bikes PaulS. Why insult me when I ask a simple question?

I have bikes PaulS. Why insult me when I ask a simple question?

Why do you insult people constantly and add nothing constructive to this forum?

behave please.
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What a clown. I almost laughed as he wants others to show strength as he hides in his bunker and talks tough. Why doesn't he go out there and "punch them in the face"?

What should he be doing Paul? Did Obama parachute into Ferguson when there were riots there?

I can't believe he hasn't sent in overwhelming force yet, I can't imagine what he's waiting for.

What should he be doing Paul? Did Obama parachute into Ferguson when there were riots there?

I can't believe he hasn't sent in overwhelming force yet, I can't imagine what he's waiting for.

Did Obama claim he was such a tough guy and say he wanted to punch people in the face? Did he constantly insult people? Did he try to inflame tensions or work to calm things down?

Did Obama claim he was such a tough guy and say he wanted to punch people in the face? Did he constantly insult people? Did he try to inflame tensions or work to calm things down?

I agree with you on his tweets. But is he wrong for saying he'll send in the military, while in the same day going to his bunker if the secret service tells him to do so?

He's blowing this. Obviously you weren't going to say anything good no matter what he did, but he's turning me of for not doing anything. He said the feds would keep peace if police and National Guard couldn't, and obviously they can't. If he doesn't do anything, he doesn't deserve to get re-elected. I'm an Eisenhower fan. Eisenhower would have sent in the Marines and the 82nd Airborne in huge numbers. I know this, because he did it in a situation far less lethal than this situation.

His initials statement(s) were good but he couldn't resist tweeting.

His initials statement(s) were good but he couldn't resist tweeting.

he can never resist tweeting.
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he can never resist tweeting.
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Or making stupid photo-ops with the bible upside down and backwards a church that didn't even want him. If he at least went inside and prayed the optics of going to that church would not have been so horrid....

Or making stupid photo-ops with the bible upside down and backwards a church that didn't even want him. If he at least went inside and prayed the optics of going to that church would not have been so horrid....

could he have gone inside and prayed? it was burned. i thought it was an ok move.
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could he have gone inside and prayed? it was burned. i thought it was an ok move.
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The fire was in one room in the basement. My understanding was others were inside.

Even if not, he didn't even try and appear pious, or mournful,it was just a photo-op, one which they had to tear gas and use rubber bullets to clear for the photo.

One of the political shows I used to catch before they moved time slots was a guy on sirius, who would often say, 'Trump is not the Anti-Christ, but Christ is the anti-Trump'... sums him up well I think.

If he at least went inside and prayed the optics of going to that church would not have been so horrid....

The fire was in one room in the basement. My understanding was others were inside.



if you saw the clip the windows and door were boarded up with plywood

one which they had to tear gas and use rubber bullets to clear for the photo.



don't know about this instance but typically when they bust out the tear gas and rubber bullets...you've done something to deserve it

if you saw the clip the windows and door were boarded up with plywood

Thanks.
I didn't notice that. I haven't seen any news today, too much of a bummer all around, just read a few articles after paddling this AM and saw the reverend from the church interviewed online (Fox). It still doesn't change my view of it as a stupid photo-op.

What does this have to do with the point that you quoted to respond to?
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You said "That’s been his tactic with PPE and other preventative measures with Covid... 'Let the states handle it'

"Now that black people are involved in an activity associated with unrest, he all of a sudden wants to intervene in state business to look like a tough guy for his supporters

"You can have one or the other, but selectively applying your own rules is never a good idea when things are being recorded and reported live"

Perhaps I misunderstood you. It seemed to me that you were differentiating the two situations because one involved black people. Also, when you said Trump wanted to look like a tough guy for his supporters by intervening, I included black people as part of his supporters. He was gaining support from blacks that Republicans were usually not capable of doing, and I thought you might be saying that Trump was trying to look tough to those critical voters by sympathizing, using tough language, with their views on how the bad cop acted.

I can see how we look at it differently. I don't think Trump is a racist. I may be wrong, but I think you do believe he is a racist.

I didn't mention it, but I also disagree with what I took as your implication that because Trump claimed the states should handle some measures, PPE, etc., that "let the states handle it" meant they should handle everything. The pandemic plan created by the previous administrations indeed did put the responsibility for having stocks of various equipment, and that most of the responsibility for handling a pandemic was on the states. The Federal Government had some other tasks as well as backing up the states if they couldn't. So I didn't think that his view about that had anything to do with race.

don't know about this instance but typically when they bust out the tear gas and rubber bullets...you've done something to deserve it

or at best, youre standing next to someone who deserves it. best to walk away when protesting turns into rioting.
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Thanks.
I didn't notice that. I haven't seen any news today, too much of a bummer all around, just read a few articles after paddling this AM and saw the reverend from the church interviewed online (Fox). It still doesn't change my view of it as a stupid photo-op.

I'm just trying to find "rioting and looting" in these governor's reopening guidelines....maybe phase two or something

It still doesn't change my view of it as a stupid photo-op.



It's what politicians do...Biden took the opportunity as well....did he "appear" plenty pious?

What a clown. I almost laughed as he wants others to show strength as he hides in his bunker and talks tough. Why doesn't he go out there and "punch them in the face"?

The secret service detachment assigned to the President makes those decisions of where the President and his family are during times of danger. The same would have been done for any other President.

Or making stupid photo-ops with the bible upside down and backwards a church that didn't even want him

That is want satin would have done with a bible.... upside down and backwards.
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That’s been his tactic with PPE and other preventative measures with Covid... “Let the states handle it”

Now that black people are involved in an activity associated with unrest, he all of a sudden wants to intervene in state business to look like a tough guy for his supporters

You can have one or the other, but selectively applying your own rules is never a good idea when things are being recorded and reported live
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ah, trump doesn’t like
blacks. trump, who celebrated low black unemployment and who advocated for criminal justice reform which disproportionately helps blacks, he doesn’t like
blacks.

put down the kool aid and use the brain god gave you.
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It's what politicians do...Biden took the opportunity as well....did he "appear" plenty pious?

I thought his speech was meh.
But at least he wasn't trying to add fuel to the fire. If Trump came out and offered some compassion while still denouncing the rioters and looters, I would give him credit.

That is want satin would have done with a bible.... upside down and backwards.
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'Trump is not the Anti-Christ, but Christ is the anti-Trump'

That whole photo-op thing came off as idiotic.
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There is no right to riot... But there is a fundamental—a Constitutional—right to protest, and I’m against clearing out a peaceful protest for a photo op that treats the Word of God as a political prop.

That whole photo-op thing came off as idiotic.
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It’s beyond idiotic. Lawful and peaceful protestors had their rights violently stripped because Trump had his feelings hurt. This is squarely in unfit for office territory.
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There is no right to riot... But there is a fundamental—a Constitutional—right to protest, and I’m against clearing out a peaceful protest for a photo op that treats the Word of God as a political prop.

actually....you have the Constitutional Right to Free Speech and Peaceable Assembly....protesting in a road or highway is not Peaceable Assembly.....try walking into traffic in solidarity with your wife because you are both angry that your trash didn't get picked up in time and refuse to get out of traffic and you'll either get run over or arrested...protesters don't get to screw up the lives of others, if they do they are not Peaceably Assembled.....their beef isn't with others...it's with "the system"...they should camp out in the places where "the system"--- police stations, police union offices, AG's offices, mayors, governors and other elected officials....is/are located and leave everyone else alone...but this is about more than that

It’s beyond idiotic. Lawful and peaceful protestors had their rights violently stripped because Trump had his feelings hurt. This is squarely in unfit for office territory.
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you are unfit for posting....take a timeout in your safe space and check back later

QUOTE=Pete F.;1194305]There is no right to riot... But there is a fundamental—a Constitutional—right to protest, and I’m against clearing out a peaceful protest for a photo op that treats the Word of God as a political prop.[/QUOTE]

If you don't want him to "hide" in a bunker, then if he comes out, wherever he goes, the secret service along with law enforcement will clear out the area. This is what happens with every President, especially in dangerous situations.

The Word of God is not a prop. Holding up the Bible, regardless of its orientation, is an affirmation of the importance of its message in times when we especially need to adhere to its Words. You may wish to scoff at his sincerity, but you could do that to Christ himself, as did the Pharisees when he spoke the Word of God to them.

Your using his holding up the Word of God as insincere is using the Word of God as a prop to attack him. You can't know what he honestly thinks about the Bible and God's Word. Christ was closest to the simple sinners who sought his help, rather than the know it all and haughty self-righteous who thought they were better. He forgave and saved several sinners, including the thief on the cross if they professed to believe in him, on the spot.

Trump's past life does not discount that he has had a come to Jesus moment. But, then, you think you know it all.

Many, who you may mock, think that the Word of God is what's needed more than anything at this troubled time in or nation.

But you may think you know all that's needed to judge them.

QUOTE=Pete F.;1194305]There is no right to riot... But there is a fundamental—a Constitutional—right to protest, and I’m against clearing out a peaceful protest for a photo op that treats the Word of God as a political prop.

If you don't want him to "hide" in a bunker, then if he comes out, wherever he goes, the secret service along with law enforcement will clear out the area. This is what happens with every President, especially in dangerous situations.

The Word of God is not a prop. Holding up the Bible, regardless of its orientation, is an affirmation of the importance of its message in times when we especially need to adhere to its Words. You may wish to scoff at his sincerity, but you could do that to Christ himself, as did the Pharisees when he spoke the Word of God to them.

Your using his holding up the Word of God as insincere is using the Word of God as a prop to attack him. You can't know what he honestly thinks about the Bible and God's Word. Christ was closest to the simple sinners who sought his help, rather than the know it all and haughty self-righteous who thought they were better. He forgave and saved several sinners, including the thief on the cross if they professed to believe in him, on the spot.

Trump's past life does not discount that he has had a come to Jesus moment. But, then, you think you know it all.

Many, who you may mock, think that the Word of God is what's needed more than anything at this troubled time in or nation.

But you may think you know all that's needed to judge them.[/QUOTE]

You state Pete can’t know what a Trump is thinking and in the same post state Trump had a come to Jesus moment, so he can’t read minds but you can.:bs:

I personally believe that Trump did it strictly for the optics and photo op, I seriously doubt he has ever had a come to Jesus moment, that’s my opinion.

QUOTE=Pete F.;1194305]There is no right to riot... But there is a fundamental—a Constitutional—right to protest, and I’m against clearing out a peaceful protest for a photo op that treats the Word of God as a political prop.

If you don't want him to "hide" in a bunker, then if he comes out, wherever he goes, the secret service along with law enforcement will clear out the area. This is what happens with every President, especially in dangerous situations.

Nobody made him go across the street for a photo op. Ask the rector, who was driven off church property with tear gas, flashbangs and rubber bullets. Nothing was dangerous until the federal officers attacked.

The Word of God is not a prop. Holding up the Bible, regardless of its orientation, is an affirmation of the importance of its message in times when we especially need to adhere to its Words. You may wish to scoff at his sincerity, but you could do that to Christ himself, as did the Pharisees when he spoke the Word of God to them.

When you have your daughter bring the Bible in her pocketbook and she hands it to you just before you do your pose, you are using it as a prop.

Your using his holding up the Word of God as insincere is using the Word of God as a prop to attack him. You can't know what he honestly thinks about the Bible and God's Word. Christ was closest to the simple sinners who sought his help, rather than the know it all and haughty self-righteous who thought they were better. He forgave and saved several sinners, including the thief on the cross if they professed to believe in him, on the spot.

Trump's past life does not discount that he has had a come to Jesus moment. But, then, you think you know it all.

Many, who you may mock, think that the Word of God is what's needed more than anything at this troubled time in or nation.

But you may think you know all that's needed to judge them[/QUOTE]

Which word of god, do you speak of?
Here's some history of Neo-Confederate, white-identity, apocalyptic evangelicalism, that some call the Cult of the Shining City.

This is who Donald Trump was messaging yesterday with his bible stunt.

For starters, the Cult of the Shining City is not an organized group. The members, most of them, believe they're just evangelicals. There are members with power who use them and manipulate them.

But there are millions of them, and they worship Donald Trump like a messiah.

None of this is tin-foil hat stuff. It's not about smoky rooms. It's the hidden history of how America's Right has been co-opted into an apocalyptic fantasy that currently threatens our safety and the safety of the world.

This is history, not conjecture. It's how we got here.

Trump's photo-op yesterday seemed bizarre to everyone but people who grew up in white-identity, apocalyptic evangelicalism.

This was a choreographed messaged that Trump is engaging in a holy battle on behalf of God and Christians, but also a possible call to violence.

Not every Cult of the Shining City member believes Trump is a messiah, but almost all believe he is a holy man fighting on their behalf.

The beliefs vary, but it is an apocalyptic cult that Trump has used to build his base.

To begin, we have to start with the Confederate States of America. Secession was done, in part, based on the belief that the North had violated God's racist commandments.

They believed in "an Almighty God" who crowned white people as his champions on Earth.

The Confederate States of America was an explicitly Christian nation, in definition and practice. The society was built upon the idea that God was a white supremacist being who ordered whites to enslave lesser people.

White supremacist Christianity was the CSA's reality.

Confederate preachers like Benjamin M Palmer warned of "perilous atheists" in the North who sought to betray the racist God's white supremacy religion.

They preached that slavery and white supremacy were ordained by God and that the North was becoming devilish.

The Confederacy split not only politically, but religiously. They claimed to continue the heritage of the original United States, and claimed to be the real America.

This was based on their religious belief in a white supremacist God and also political advantage.

Contrary to popular belief, the Confederacy didn't consider itself a separate country, but the actual America and the heritage of the Founding Fathers.

They embraced George Washington, particularly, as Jefferson Davis was sworn in under a memorial to him.

Jefferson Davis and other Confederate leaders blamed the people's lack of faith in the racist God for their defeats, ordering days of humiliation and fasting in order to get right.

Failure was seen as God's fury for disbelief in his white supremacist orders.

When the Civil War ended, it was seen as a reunification of culture, but the Confederate Christianity didn't just go away. Southern preachers continued preaching that God was a white supremacist and that blacks were to be subjugated and enslaved.

It stills exists now.

One of the Southern preachers who believed in God-ordained white supremacy was Jerry Falwell, whose ministry held segregation as a Godly decree and any attempt toward equality the work of Satan.

Falwell called segregation a "line drawn by God" and warned that any attempt to desegregate or dismantle white supremacy was the work of the Devil and would draw God's anger.

Like Confederate preachers of old.

Civil Rights protests gained the attention of Confederate Christians like Falwell, who charged that protestors were doing Satan's work and were being "manipulated" by outside forces, including Communists and anarchists. It was a charge of spiritual war.

Despite popular history claiming Martin Luther King was beloved, he was treated like a satanic antichrist, using Christianity for nefarious purposes people like Falwell and segregationists claimed were Communist and devilish purposes.

Falwell aired his suspicions about MLK and disputed his social justice interpretation of the Bible.

To counteract, Falwell and others actively moved their faith toward hidden white supremacy through ideas of power and economic success.

All tenets of white supremacy.

The new Evangelical Right was white supremacist and Neo-Confederate in nature, but hid that prejudice behind the idea of morality and achieving success through the economic world.

Christianity was about power and profit. Fascistic pursuits behind a smiling veneer.

Maybe he was just reading his favorite scripture in the bible 2 Corinthians and decided to walk to a church.
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That whole photo-op thing came off as idiotic.
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you know I respect your opinion, can you explain why?

I'm a fairly devout Catholic. I don't think for a nanosecond that Trump is a man of faith. but I saw that live, and I kind of liked it.

People are upset he stood in front of a church with a bible. They aren't nearly as upset that the church, an important historic landmark, was set on fire the night before.

People are upset that protesters were cleared out. Every single time the president wants to go somewhere, the secret service clears that area. And if people refuse the lawful order to clear the area, they are forcibly removed. If they were tear gassed, I'm willing to bet they refused to leave. That's on them.

I personally believe that Trump did it strictly for the optics and photo op, I seriously doubt he has ever had a come to Jesus moment, that’s my opinion.



shocking :hihi:

That whole photo-op thing came off as idiotic.
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they usually do......:biglaugh: it takes a skilled and polished politician to "appear" genuine when they are being completely phony

If you don't want him to "hide" in a bunker, then if he comes out, wherever he goes, the secret service along with law enforcement will clear out the area. This is what happens with every President, especially in dangerous situations.

The Word of God is not a prop. Holding up the Bible, regardless of its orientation, is an affirmation of the importance of its message in times when we especially need to adhere to its Words. You may wish to scoff at his sincerity, but you could do that to Christ himself, as did the Pharisees when he spoke the Word of God to them.

Your using his holding up the Word of God as insincere is using the Word of God as a prop to attack him. You can't know what he honestly thinks about the Bible and God's Word. Christ was closest to the simple sinners who sought his help, rather than the know it all and haughty self-righteous who thought they were better. He forgave and saved several sinners, including the thief on the cross if they professed to believe in him, on the spot.

Trump's past life does not discount that he has had a come to Jesus moment. But, then, you think you know it all.

Many, who you may mock, think that the Word of God is what's needed more than anything at this troubled time in or nation.

But you may think you know all that's needed to judge them.

You state Pete can’t know what a Trump is thinking and in the same post state Trump had a come to Jesus moment, so he can’t read minds but you can.:bs:

You're right. I didn't state it the way I was thinking it. Instead of saying "does not discount that he has had a come to Jesus moment." I should have said "does not discount that he might have had a come to Jesus moment."--which is what I meant.

I personally believe that Trump did it strictly for the optics and photo op, I seriously doubt he has ever had a come to Jesus moment, that’s my opinion.[/QUOTE]

That's a good, honest, way of stating it. But claiming for certain that it was a prop is making an assumption. And quite possibly a disrespectful one to people of faith. But, then, as I said, Peete thinks he knows it all.

you know I respect your opinion, can you explain why?

I'm a fairly devout Catholic. I don't think for a nanosecond that Trump is a man of faith. but I saw that live, and I kind of liked it.

People are upset he stood in front of a church with a bible. They aren't nearly as upset that the church, an important historic landmark, was set on fire the night before.

People are upset that protesters were cleared out. Every single time the president wants to go somewhere, the secret service clears that area. And if people refuse the lawful order to clear the area, they are forcibly removed. If they were tear gassed, I'm willing to bet they refused to leave. That's on them.

The optics were just terrible, from the man handling of the crowd, to the posturing in front of the church. It just looked idiotic. Poor execution, start to finish.
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Why do you insult people constantly and add nothing constructive to this forum?

The reality is you said you don’t insult folks unless you have been insulted. So either you lied (again) or you took my question as an insult. Sorry for the confusion.

People are upset that protesters were cleared out. Every single time the president wants to go somewhere, the secret service clears that area. And if people refuse the lawful order to clear the area, they are forcibly removed. If they were tear gassed, I'm willing to bet they refused to leave. That's on them.
From what I’ve read the secret service clears the park frequently. They don’t use tear gas or rubber bullets. They don’t rush the crowd with shields or attack reporters. They don’t use national guard medivac helicopters, with Red Cross insignia mind you, flying low to harass the crowd.

This was a planned overreaching show of force to make Trump feel like a tough guy. It is pathetic.
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Our tax dollars at work. How many hamberders and cofeve you think he chugged hiding like a rat in that bunker.

#T&F might help him a little. Black is a slimming color.
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From what I’ve read the secret service clears the park frequently. They don’t use tear gas or rubber bullets. They don’t rush the crowd with shields or attack reporters. They don’t use national guard medivac helicopters, with Red Cross insignia mind you, flying low to harass the crowd.

This was a planned overreaching show of force to make Trump feel like a tough guy. It is pathetic.
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A different spin on it by Bongino--first five or ten minutes of the video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NzY1VqmkVM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-eSl_dJIjM

ah, trump doesn’t like
blacks. trump, who celebrated low black unemployment and who advocated for criminal justice reform which disproportionately helps blacks, he doesn’t like
blacks.

put down the kool aid and use the brain god gave you.
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I’d ask the same of you. I’m not saying he doesn’t like black people. I’m saying that he is playing both sides of a coin, and that game lays conveniently across a perceived racial line.

Let’s peel back the racial component of it for a second: He is saying that he wants states to deal with their problems themselves but then says he is going to send in the military regardless of state support to meddle in municipal law and order enforcement.

Where was the offer to send in the military and all the resources of the federal government when Covid was ravaging states from coast to coast and governors were begging him to help?

Use the brain you were given to realize that he thinks he is playing 3D chess but everyone is just watching him play checkers.

Many things can be true at the same time.
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That's a good, honest, way of stating it. But claiming for certain that it was a prop is making an assumption. And quite possibly a disrespectful one to people of faith. But, then, as I said, Peete thinks he knows it all.

You can’t say that making that assumption is possibly disrespectful to people of faith because what he did wasn’t faithful or religious.

He held up a bible backwards and upside down, didn’t say a prayer, and spouted some broken BS about making things awesome until they stopped taking pictures and then abruptly walked away.

If that’s not disrespectful to people of the episcopal faith, nothing is.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2RMEiclpA7E

Riots in Brockton.

Now I see why you guys stocked up on ammo.

God Bless America.

Holy Christ.
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You can’t say that making that assumption is possibly disrespectful to people of faith because what he did wasn’t faithful or religious.

He held up a bible backwards and upside down, didn’t say a prayer, and spouted some broken BS about making things awesome until they stopped taking pictures and then abruptly walked away.

If that’s not disrespectful to people of the episcopal faith, nothing is.


None of the major news outlets that I checked said he was holding the Bible upside down and backwards. Some said he was holding it awkwardly. I found the backwards upside down assertion in some minor, biased outlets and in the left wing Guardian. I checked the photo of him holding the Bible, and the ribbon used as a page marker was properly hanging down from the bottom if he was holding it right side up, as is the case in books with ribbon markers because they start at the top of the book then go down between the marked pages with the excess portion sticking out at the bottom when the book is closed.

If the Bible was being held upside down, and the ribbon was hanging from the top where it starts (but would be the bottom as he was holding it), the length of the ribbon hanging outside of the book would be as long as the Bible plus the excess needed for page marking. The ribbon in the picture I saw was nowhere near that long, but more like the excess length needed to mark the page and properly hanging from the bottom of the book. That would indicate that the Bible was not being held upside down.

If he held it "backwards" that would merely indicate that the front was facing him, which doesn't sound disrespectful.

Saying that he "spouted" some "broken BS" is your obviously negative characterization. True, the pastor of the church didn't like what Trump did.

Here is what some other Christian leaders said who might possibly think what Pete said was disrespectful:

Robert Jeffress, a Dallas megachurch pastor:
“I thought it was completely appropriate for the president to stand in front of that church, and by holding up the Bible, he was showing us that it teaches that, yes, God hates racism, it’s despicable—but God also hates lawlessness.”

David Brody, a news anchor at the Christian Broadcasting Network:
“I don’t know about you but I’ll take a president with a Bible in his hand in front of a church over far left violent radicals setting a church on fire any day of the week”

Johnnie Moore, the president of the Congress of Christian Leaders:
“I will never forget seeing [Trump] slowly & in-total-command walk … across Lafayette Square to St. John’s Church defying those who aim to derail our national healing by spreading fear, hate & anarchy.”

Ralph Reed, the chairman of the Faith and Freedom Coalition:
“His presence sent the twin message that our streets and cities do not belong to rioters and domestic terrorists, and that the ultimate answer to what ails our country can be found in the repentance, redemption, and forgiveness of the Christian faith.”

You probably, or might, not like or agree with any of them. But there are Christians who welcome holding up the Bible in a time of trouble, even if it is being held by a sinner. It is the message, not the messenger, that ultimately matters. And they might feel it was disrespectful to call the Bible, the holy message in which they fervently believe, a prop.

I’d ask the same of you. I’m not saying he doesn’t like black people. I’m saying that he is playing both sides of a coin, and that game lays conveniently across a perceived racial line.

Let’s peel back the racial component of it for a second: He is saying that he wants states to deal with their problems themselves

No, he was saying, in effect, that the states should deal with the problems that were their responsibilities. And he certainly did help them with a lot of the problems they were responsible for. The notion that he left it all to the states is way off.
He did a whole lot and was criticized for not doing it soon enough or well enough, but the states were way behind and derelict in their responsibilities. Without what he did, they might still be in the primary stage of responding to the virus.

but then says he is going to send in the military regardless of state support to meddle in municipal law and order enforcement.

It would be responsible and show leadership by protecting the citizens when the governors failed to do so. That would not be meddling, it would be getting the job done.

Where was the offer to send in the military and all the resources of the federal government when Covid was ravaging states from coast to coast and governors were begging him to help?

What are you talking about? What resources did he not send? He provided most of the medical equipment that the states should have had in stock. He replenished the depleted federal stock that the previous administration let get depleted without restocking. He had the military build facilities to house an expected overflow of patients in New York, the epicenter in the country. He provided a military ship to the Port of New York to house more. Cuomo put COVID patients in nursing homes and didn't use up the beds Trump provided. He got private industry to manufacture supplies that were not on the market. He removed some FDA restrictions in order to fast track the production of a virus and requested as well as aided drug companies to try to produce it possibly toward the end of the year or sooner.

Use the brain you were given to realize that he thinks he is playing 3D chess but everyone is just watching him play checkers.

"Everyone" does not see it the way you do.

Many things can be true at the same time.


Right.

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From what I’ve read the secret service clears the park frequently. They don’t use tear gas or rubber bullets. They don’t rush the crowd with shields or attack reporters. They don’t use national guard medivac helicopters, with Red Cross insignia mind you, flying low to harass the crowd.

This was a planned overreaching show of force to make Trump feel like a tough guy. It is pathetic.

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this post is an overreach....sorry,....no tear gas

"Following days of violent riots and looting in cities across the country, Washington, D.C., announced a 7 p.m. curfew on Monday night. About the same time, President Donald Trump addressed the nation from the Rose Garden. Afterward, he walked through Lafayette Park to St. John’s Episcopal Church, which rioters had set on fire the night before. Standing before the church sign, which reads “All are welcome,” President Trump, who previously said he’d be paying his respects to a very special place, held up a Bible.

The speech announcing the country would return to rule of law and protection of civil liberties, the walk through a park that the night before had been given over to rioters, and the visit to the vandalized historic church where every president has worshiped since James Madison, were reassuring to many in the country.


For the media, however, these actions were further proof that Orange Man Bad is literally the worst, restoring rule of law is criminal, and standing in front of a church holding a Bible is an assault on the American conscience. They focused on how the Park Police had cleared the area ahead of the city-wide curfew declared by D.C. Mayor Muriel Bowser.

Facts were no barrier to their narrative. They spun a tale of violent, jack-booted cops running rampant through the streets over innocent docile protesters, using tear gas to clear the area. It turns out none of that was true.

Every single major media outlet falsely reported that Park Police were unprovoked when they used “tear gas” to clear the area. If any of that were true, it might mark the first time in history that cops without gas masks launched tear gas in an area that the president of the United States easily walked through minutes later.

After thousands of false tweets, print stories, and broadcast stories to the contrary, local journalist Neal Augenstein of WTOP reported that a Park Police source said “tear gas was never used — instead smoke canisters were deployed, which don’t have an uncomfortable irritant in them.” Further, the source said the crowd was dispersed because of projectiles being thrown by the “peaceful protesters” at the Park Police and because “peaceful protesters” had climbed on top of a structure in Lafayette Park that had been burned the prior night.


Sgt. Eduardo Delgado, the public information officer for the Park Police, confirmed the agency did not use tear gas. And later this afternoon, United States Park Police acting Chief Gregory T. Monahan exploded the entire false narrative:

On Monday, June 1, the USPP worked with the United States Secret Service to have temporary fencing installed inside Lafayette Park. At approximately 6:33 pm, violent protestors on H Street NW began throwing projectiles including bricks, frozen water bottles and caustic liquids. The protestors also climbed onto a historic building at the north end of Lafayette Park that was destroyed by arson days prior. Intelligence had revealed calls for violence against the police, and officers found caches of glass bottles, baseball bats and metal poles hidden along the street.

To curtail the violence that was underway, the USPP, following established policy, issued three warnings over a loudspeaker to alert demonstrators on H Street to evacuate the area. Horse mounted patrol, Civil Disturbance Units and additional personnel were used to clear the area. As many of the protestors became more combative, continued to throw projectiles, and attempted to grab officers’ weapons, officers then employed the use of smoke canisters and pepper balls. No tear gas was used by USPP officers or other assisting law enforcement partners to close the area at Lafayette Park. Subsequently, the fence was installed.

Nearly every major media outlet falsely reported that canisters of tear gas, not smoke canisters, were used against "peaceful protesters".

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It’s like debating Trump himself, they too are never wrong and they are dizzy from all the spinning they need to do to state their cases.

Riots in Brockton.

Now I see why you guys stocked up on ammo.

God Bless America.

Holy Christ.
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The natives seemed restless
Stay home and breathe

The reality is you said you don’t insult folks unless you have been insulted. So either you lied (again) or you took my question as an insult. Sorry for the confusion.

Roly (you fat overweight out of shape slob) - I once said Trump said the virus would one day miraculously disappear and he said mysteriously - and for that you accuse me of lying. This is why I think you are a vile scummy loser and I feel sorry for the people who have to associate with you on a day to day basis.

Q: Why did the chicken cross the road?

A: To pose for a photo op at St. John's Episcopal Church.
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They were firing pepper balls into the crowd, not launching canisters. Different chemicals, both are tear gas.
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Roly (you fat overweight out of shape slob) - I once said Trump said the virus would one day miraculously disappear and he said mysteriously - and for that you accuse me of lying. This is why I think you are a vile scummy loser and I feel sorry for the people who have to associate with you on a day to day basis.

When you repeatedly lie and get called out for it.....just call them names.
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How many times have you said that you don’t insult people unless they have insulted you?
No need to rep lie
You already made my point

When you repeatedly lie and get called out for it.....just call them names.
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How many times have you said that you don’t insult people unless they have insulted you?
No need to rep lie
You already made my point

Those aren't lies you stupid fat slob. How did you let yourself go like that? Don't you have any pride?

Knock it off you two, you look like a couple of whiny bitches.

Focus on the actions of the whiny bitches rioting and looting (not the peaceful protestors, that is different) and the whiny bitch in the white house....

I said I'll never take his crap.

I said I'll never take his crap.

Or... be the bigger man and ignore him.... Just sayin

On l lighter note, Trump said he was hunkered down in the bunker for an “inspection.”

Only inspection he was doing down there was an underpants finger check.
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On l lighter note, Trump said he was hunkered down in the bunker for an “inspection.”

Only inspection he was doing down there was an underpants finger check.
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Finally some expert analysis.

They were firing pepper balls into the crowd, not launching canisters. Different chemicals, both are tear gas.
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I think they reiterated again today...no tear gas...no rubber bullets

maybe if you want to be overly dramatic try nerve gas and napalm next time :hihi:

Or... be the bigger man and ignore him.... Just sayin

don't hold your breath ;)

I think they reiterated again today...no tear gas...no rubber bullets

maybe if you want to be overly dramatic try nerve gas and napalm next time :hihi:
Reread my post.

don't hold your breath ;)

It must suck to be so snarky

How is that?

It must suck to be so snarky

How is that?

let it all out:alright:....I'm here for you

I think they reiterated again today...no tear gas...no rubber bullets

maybe if you want to be overly dramatic try nerve gas and napalm next time :hihi:

They lied again today or do you think this rector who was driven from St Johns lied


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6oHx7gwnpc

They lied again today or do you think this rector who was driven from St Johns lied
How much do you want to bet the CDC's definition of tear gas gets updated by end of today?

The world is watching and they are not impressed, if this was happening somewhere else, say Hong Kong, Tehran or Riyadh what would our diplomats be doing?

In public, they’d express “concern” about the unrest in the country– maybe even “deep” concern. They’d call on “all parties” to engage in “dialogue” to resolve disputes. They’d insist the government allow for “peaceful” protests and urge “restraint” by security forces. They’d denounce police attacks on journalists. They might even offer to mediate between the feuding parties.

In classified cables sent back home, they’d question the stability of the government. They’d look for signs of fractures among the ruling elites, and ponder whether the head of state would be willing to accept defeat in the upcoming election. Some would gather information about potential human rights violators. They’d elevate security at their embassy, mull issuing a travel warning and dust off contingency plans for evacuating themselves and other U.S. citizens.

How much do you want to bet the CDC's definition of tear gas gets updated by end of today?

I'm sure the White House was alerted to your post....

[QUOTE=Pete F.;1194380]They lied again today or do you think this rector who was driven from St Johns lied



I'm sure she's an expert on tear gas and rubber bullets

[QUOTE=Pete F.;1194380]They lied again today or do you think this rector who was driven from St Johns lied



I'm sure she's an expert on tear gas and rubber bullets

When you get it in your eyes, you know.

And when you see someone hit with a rubber bullet it's pretty obvious.

But don't worry Pres. Tweety suggested today on Fox Radio that there are Good Christians and Bad Christians. The good ones support Tweety; the bad ones, like those who criticized his photo stunt, are the opposition.

Those aren't lies you stupid fat slob. How did you let yourself go like that? Don't you have any pride?

Then please explain what they were PaulS.
If you simply misspoke then clarify.
Perhaps they were just errors.
They certainly were not truths,were they?
A little honesty is all I ask.
Don’t be afraid to admit when you are wrong.

I'm sure the White House was alerted to your post....

At this point, I’m unsure if the White House could alert themselves to early bird specials at Golden Corral.
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At this point, I’m unsure if the White House could alert themselves to early bird specials at Golden Corral.
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Pandemic has changed their hours Ricky
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At this point, I’m unsure if the White House could alert themselves to early bird specials at Golden Corral.
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I don't know, they organized a pretty effective rubber bullet/tear gas assault on those innocent peaceable assemblers

Then please explain what they were PaulS.
If you simply misspoke then clarify.
Perhaps they were just errors.
They certainly were not truths,were they?
A little honesty is all I ask.
Don’t be afraid to admit when you are wrong.

Roly - I already said it was a mistake. No big deal. I know that you make no money (you loser) so if that makes you feel better about yourself, knock yourself out.

But this shows what a vile scummy loser you are. (If you are at all honest, you would admit that.)

When your husband (to use your word) gets off his shift and sees you coming out of the shower, does he think you're a fat slob? How did you let yourself go like that?

Roly - I already said it was a mistake. No big deal. I know that you make no money (you loser) so if that makes you feel better about yourself, knock yourself out.

But this shows what a vile scummy loser you are. (If you are at all honest, you would admit that.)

When your husband (to use your word) gets off his shift and sees you coming out of the shower, does he think you're a fat slob? How did you let yourself go like that?

Jeez PaulS, I am not sure where all your anger comes from. Daddy doesn’t love you? Thanks for admitting your “ mistake”.
I wonder what prompted the anger and name calling given that I had not even insulted you. Remember when you claimed that was the ONLY reason that you would insult somebody?
Or were those more mistakes?
Asking for a friend.

Jeez PaulS, I am not sure where all your anger comes from. Daddy doesn’t love you? Thanks for admitting your “ mistake”.
I wonder what prompted the anger and name calling given that I had not even insulted you. Remember when you claimed that was the ONLY reason that you would insult somebody?
Or were those more mistakes?
Asking for a friend.

Roly - I don't think you have any real friends. Daddy loves me fine. I just think you are a vile scummy person.

Now Mattis is directly calling out Trump. Didn’t expect this. The adults are stepping in because it is that bad. Not just Obama.
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How long before Mattis and Esper get insulted by Trump. What is the over under on how long Esper has his job?
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Four U.S. presidents spoke this week about systemic racism and injustice. They used their platforms to illuminate the humanity in all Americans and to decry the dehumanization of some. And they summoned the nation to confront its failures, make change and come together.

A fifth U.S. president spoke instead this week about using military force to dominate Americans who are protesting racial injustice. He declared winners and losers among state and city officials trying to safeguard their streets. And, with his reelection campaign in mind, he sought to apply a partisan political lens to the national reckoning over racial inequities.
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Now Mattis is directly calling out Trump.


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he lost me in the first paragraph .."We must not be distracted by a small number of lawbreakers."

maybe he can tell that to David Dorn's ten grandkids.....hopefully Mattis doesn't have a family member that is injured, killed or that has their livelihood destroyed by the "distraction" of the "small number of lawbreakers"....maybe he doesn't watch the news....lotta people in these communities that view it as more than a "distraction"

he lost me in the first paragraph .."We must not be distracted by a small number of lawbreakers."

maybe he can tell that to David Dorn's ten grandkids.....hopefully Mattis doesn't have a family member that is injured, killed or that has their livelihood destroyed by the "distraction" of the "small number of lawbreakers"....maybe he doesn't watch the news....lotta people in these communities that view it as more than a "distraction"
Take a time out and think. Please.
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Roly - I don't think you have any real friends. Daddy loves me fine. I just think you are a vile scummy person.

So much anger. 🤗
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Four U.S. presidents spoke this week about systemic racism and injustice. They used their platforms to illuminate the humanity in all Americans and to decry the dehumanization of some. And they summoned the nation to confront its failures, make change and come together.

Typical high sounding political pablum. Push came to shove, they all used force, against other races, against other ideologies, against others period. I like your rhetorical trick of using the mellifluous high tone to "illuminate" their speeches for us.

A fifth U.S. president spoke instead this week about using military force to dominate Americans who are protesting racial injustice.

Another commonplace rhetorical trick of raising rioters, hooligans, thugs, to admirable "protesters of racial injustice." This is too blatant for any rational person to swallow. You know damned well that Trump wasn't referring to peaceful protesters. I would like to say this kind of cheap fakery is beneath you, but it isn't.

He declared winners and losers among state and city officials trying to safeguard their streets. And, with his reelection campaign in mind, he sought to apply a partisan political lens to the national reckoning over racial inequities.


God, you end with this thick, vague, contorted attempt at saying something that sounds bad for Trump.

But you did successfully tone down the rhetoric from the lofty heights when speaking of the other four contra-Trump Presidents to a more lowly, commonplace, somewhat antagonistic and confused diction befitting your opinion of Trump.

Congratulations on that, but more clarity and specificity would help the reader, though, on the other hand, vagueness, generalization, lack of rigorous candor, makes it easier to make orange man bad.

Take a time out and think. Please.
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you first sheep.....

God, you end with this thick, vague, contorted attempt at saying something that sounds bad for Trump.

But you did successfully tone down the rhetoric from the lofty heights when speaking of the other four contra-Trump Presidents to a more lowly, commonplace, somewhat antagonistic and confused diction befitting your opinion of Trump.

Congratulations on that, but more clarity and specificity would help the reader, though, on the other hand, vagueness, generalization, lack of rigorous candor, makes it easier to make orange man bad.

It’s always easy to expose a malignant narcissistic sociopath.
I find it fitting that Tweety is now being guarded by Bureau of Prisons guards.
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It’s always easy to expose a malignant narcissistic sociopath.
I find it fitting that Tweety is now being guarded by Bureau of Prisons guards.
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Trump is not malignant or a sociopath. That was easy. I like it.

Trump is not malignant or a sociopath. That was easy. I like it.

it's fun to watch pete call someone else a nut :huh:

James Mattis just made it a lot easier for many, many other respected defense officials and Republican lawmakers to criticize the president.

Mattis is still holding back, though. He's privately told friends that Trump's behavior is far worse than the reports & that the republic is on shaky footing. He knows so much more than he's currently divulging.

On an unrelated note, Bill Weld ended his (extremely) long-shot primary challenge to Trump in March.

On Tues, Weld won more than 20 percent of the GOP primary vote in several of Maryland's most populous countries.

James Mattis just made it a lot easier for many, many other respected defense officials and Republican lawmakers to criticize the president.

Mattis is still holding back, though. He's privately told friends that Trump's behavior is far worse than the reports & that the republic is on shaky footing. He knows so much more than he's currently divulging.

On an unrelated note, Bill Weld ended his (extremely) long-shot primary challenge to Trump in March.

On Tues, Weld won more than 20 percent of the GOP primary vote in several of Maryland's most populous countries.

A lot easier for many . . . still holding back . . . an unrelated note.

Verryyy interesting. You have an entertaining gossip column. Would do well in the NYT.

Inner circle talk
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We all need to better out there ( here too for that matter.)

Thread is locked. Time to be fvcking nicer to each other.