We keep hearing about Antifa and the dangers they pose to our society.
Who is the leader of Antifa?
When was last time someone from Antifa killed someone?
Can you identify an Antifa attack?
How about an ISIS attack?
A white supremacist attack?
How many people have been murdered in mass murders by people identifying with rightwing politicians?
El Paso Walmart ring a bell?
Poway synagogue?

Right-wing extremists killed 38 people in U.S. in 2019

I’ll wait to hear about the elusive and phantasmal Antifa

And one would question just why would people ever want to identify with an organization named Anti-Fascist.

Your stupid act is working Bitchslappedboy.

I don't think it's an act, not with this post at least. :rolleyes:
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This is a reasonable observation.

We keep hearing about Antifa and the dangers they pose to our society.
Who is the leader of Antifa?
When was last time someone from Antifa killed someone?
Can you identify an Antifa attack?
How about an ISIS attack?
A white supremacist attack?
How many people have been murdered in mass murders by people identifying with rightwing politicians?
El Paso Walmart ring a bell?
Poway synagogue?

Right-wing extremists killed 38 people in U.S. in 2019

I’ll wait to hear about the elusive and phantasmal Antifa

And one would question just why would people ever want to identify with an organization named Anti-Fascist.

I’ll bite, Pete, but you really are starting to concern me.

Antifa, the current version, is an offshoot of Black Bloc, overlaps in the Venn diagram center of various hard left militant groups, Communists, Anarchist, & Dumba$$es .

They are as decentralized as they can be (that anarchy thing) and as organized as they need to. Modern encrypted comms make it difficult to crack. But much like the various Al Quedas of Whateverstans, they pledge to the ideology and generally toe the line but tend to operate independently.

“Who is the leader of Antifa?” Like the Neo Nazis and super hard right, there are no leaders, but you already know this.

“When was last time someone from Antifa killed someone?” Connor Betts killed 34 people in Dayton Ohio last year. His social media indicates he was a supporter and possible member of Antifa (they don’t hand out Commie Party Cards) and acted with the Socialist Rifle Association, which is the armorers so to speak of Antifa for those inclined (rather than those JV Antifa just cracking skulls and starting fires).

“Can you identify an Antifa attack?” Like Portland, Jacksonville, Boston last year? Like that? Here is a link, inform thyself with hundreds of videos – I really think you are being disingenuous here. https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=antifa+attacks

“How about an ISIS attack?” Sure, they claim attacks, they claim attacks that are not even theirs.

“A white supremacist attack?” McVeigh. Alex Fields, some crazy people doing things in the name of type examples.

“How many people have been murdered in mass murders by people identifying with rightwing politicians?” US or Global? Global 15-20 million right wing, 150 million left wing sound about right?

“El Paso Walmart ring a bell?” Yep, bad guy.

“Poway synagogue?” Yep, bad guy.

The afore mentioned Connor Betts killed 34 – do you want to keep score Pete?

“And one would question just why would people ever want to identify with an organization named Anti-Fascist.”

I learned to detest Fascists AND Communists after living in Germany for three years in the 80s. I think it is despicable, Peter, that you are willing to give top cover to left wing extremism. It almost reads as if you are OK with it.

They ARE the hard left’s counterpart to the extreme right and few actual fascists there are.




Your stupid act is working Bitchslappedboy.

Knock it off

I don't think it's an act, not with this post at least. :rolleyes:
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Don't encourage him ^^

You've been misled by the wacko media
Connor Betts, a misguided fool killed 9 people.
Patrick Crusius, another misguided fool killed 22 Mexicans in a Walmart and you're casting him as Antifa.
And Santino William Legan, another misguided fool killed three people at the Gilroy Garlic Festival.
There's your 34 and here is the source for the number.
https://nypost.com/2019/08/06/dayton-shooter-may-be-antifas-first-mass-killer/
Do you really believe every disturbed kid is Antifa?
That people finding kindred misguided souls on social media is a conspiracy?
Next it will be that Charles Manson started Antifa and every wacko since has followed in his footsteps.
The white suburban misfits should just stay home, everybody would be happier.

November 2019

FBI Director Christopher Wray on domestic terrorism in America:
“The majority of racially motivated violent extremist attacks are fueled by some kind of white supremacy.”

No mention of “antifa”.

And now we haven't heard from Tweety for hours.

The White House, dark.

Tweetie's hiding in the basement.

Trump's advisors, panicked.

And what is Tweety worried about?

Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
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6m
“Trump” is leading in all swing states. Heavily biased Democrat Poll, just like 2016. Biggest “enthusiasm” lead ever!

The rest of the world can see how incompetent this administration is.

FBI Director Christopher Wray on domestic terrorism in America:
“The majority of racially motivated violent extremist attacks are fueled by some kind of white supremacy.”

I believe it's around 98%.

Antifa isn't a myth but I think its significance is vastly overstated. So John saw someone dressed in black on TV and Antifa is burning our communities down. Yea right. Everyone needs a boogeyman.

I'd note that the state governments are pointing to white nationalists, criminal gangs and international actors yet the primary issue is with Antifa? Just more putting politics ahead of the interests of the people.

Antifa isn't a myth this is a correct statement the myth is generated by the right they have made Antifas image they suggest they are this grand shadow group.. because they oppose the rights policys and Ideas in the open..


Trump doesn't have the power to label them a terrorist group nor does Barr..

1st it was 80% of the protesters were from out of State was pushed by the white house to promote the antifa storie

then Trump got all tough guy on twitter and
now we are seeing protest have spread across the country!

are these all out of state protesters as well ?

And Trumps response will go in the History books as an example of how not to handled a crisis right next to covid 19

Eff this. The protests have been hijacked. If it were my store or property being threatened, I would be outside of it with my legally owned semi-automatic weapons ready to shoot any and all who threatened my and my employees' livelihoods. Trump actually had it right. The only way to quell mob mentality is with superior force and firepower. But we are not talking about peaceful protests here, which I support.... but this has nothing to do with the murder of Mr Floyd......

This is clearly getting us somewhere in the future where we aren’t so divided.
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Eff this. The protests have been hijacked. If it were my store or property being threatened, I would be outside of it with my legally owned semi-automatic weapons ready to shoot any and all who threatened my and my employees' livelihoods. Trump actually had it right. The only way to quell mob mentality is with superior force and firepower. But we are not talking about peaceful protests here, which I support.... but this has nothing to do with the murder of Mr Floyd......

The vast majority of protesters would agree with you, but the ones on the fringes, left and right don’t want it to be that simple.
That includes the fool on the hill who wants you to be scared.
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The vast majority of protesters would agree with you, but the ones on the fringes, left and right don’t want it to be that simple.
That includes the fool on the hill who wants you to be scared.


Why do you keep trying to frighten us about Trump? Do you want us to be scared?

Why do you keep trying to frighten us about Trump? Do you want us to be scared?

Trumps doing fine by himself :kewl:

In an address to the nation, the president vowed to deploy the US military to quell the civil disorder on America's streets (maybe the right wants to see this ? )

protesters tear-gassed so Trump can walk to church and holding a bible
as a prop

The vast majority of protesters would agree with you, but the ones on the fringes, left and right don’t want it to be that simple.
That includes the fool on the hill who wants you to be scared.
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Not scared, Pete. Fed up and disgusted, but not scared. Never have been expecting the government to pull us through. It has always been about the American public. They have been the ones doing the work and pulling us up by our collective bootstraps. But I question that now... just as I have questioned how some of them could come to conclusions about what is happening across the nation, and yet their vote counts the same as mine. Given the Orwellian overtones in your signature, Pete, I would include you in that group of never do wells, dotards, and incompetents waiting on a generational bail out.

And to underline my position; We sorely need leadership in the current environment, covering the pandemic and the social response to Lloyd's murder. I support the right to protest peacefully. But I fully include all said protesters in the problem when violence, rioting, and looting occurs. And I further question their contribution to the spread of the Covid-19 virus by choosing to gather in protest during what science has called a worldwide pandemic. Guess we will see in two weeks when/if the numbers spike.

And to underline my position; We sorely need leadership in the current environment, covering the pandemic and the social response to Lloyd's murder. I support the right to protest peacefully. But I fully include all said protesters in the problem when violence, rioting, and looting occurs. And I further question their contribution to the spread of the Covid-19 virus by choosing to gather in protest during what science has called a worldwide pandemic. Guess we will see in two weeks when/if the numbers spike.

If you include all protesters in the problem based on the rioting and looting of a small number of people who have used the protests to shield their actions, what is your feeling about America’s police force given that a small number of its ranks use their badge to do things like abuse the public they have been entrusted to protect and serve? I don’t believe you can have it both ways here...
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You've been misled by the wacko media
Connor Betts, a misguided fool killed 9 people.
Patrick Crusius, another misguided fool killed 22 Mexicans in a Walmart and you're casting him as Antifa.
And Santino William Legan, another misguided fool killed three people at the Gilroy Garlic Festival.
There's your 34 and here is the source for the number.
https://nypost.com/2019/08/06/dayton-shooter-may-be-antifas-first-mass-killer/
Do you really believe every disturbed kid is Antifa?
That people finding kindred misguided souls on social media is a conspiracy?
Next it will be that Charles Manson started Antifa and every wacko since has followed in his footsteps.
The white suburban misfits should just stay home, everybody would be happier.

November 2019

FBI Director Christopher Wray on domestic terrorism in America:
“The majority of racially motivated violent extremist attacks are fueled by some kind of white supremacy.”

No mention of “antifa”.

And now we haven't heard from Tweety for hours.

The White House, dark.

Tweetie's hiding in the basement.

Trump's advisors, panicked.

And what is Tweety worried about?

Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
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6m
“Trump” is leading in all swing states. Heavily biased Democrat Poll, just like 2016. Biggest “enthusiasm” lead ever!

The rest of the world can see how incompetent this administration is.

Sorry - was working off poorly remembered numbers on how many people Betts killed. The point is we KNOW people on the Left and Right currently and historically have used violence to sow chaos or oppress others.

Pete - is there anything wrong with the statement above?

I call out White Supremacists, Anti#^&#^&#^&#^&x, Neo Nazis, and Little Commie agitators. But so there is no lack of clarity I will spell it out for you:

When you are hard left or hard right and you are peacefully assembling in legal protest, I may not like what you say but I support your right to peacefully protest - as much as I hate what you are saying. When you take the reigns to injure your fellow citizens, burn, loot, and cause mayhem LEFT OR RIGHT

Pete - is there anything wrong with the statement above?

I believe it's around 98%.

Antifa isn't a myth but I think its significance is vastly overstated. So John saw someone dressed in black on TV and Antifa is burning our communities down. Yea right. Everyone needs a boogeyman.

I'd note that the state governments are pointing to white nationalists, criminal gangs and international actors yet the primary issue is with Antifa? Just more putting politics ahead of the interests of the people.

Spence, Antifa / Black Bloc / Anarchists are the types that do this as do Neo Nazis and White Supremacists. The dem mayors and leadership in Minneapolis were saying White Supremacists were doing this. The President is saying it is Antifa. BOTH of them are doing it, and BOTH of them should be prosecuted. (See Wayne: both.)

Good to know, Jeff, that you are willing to over look them when they are on the left.

IF White Supremacists are cracking skulls and lighting up fires, they should be arrested and prosecuted.

IF Antifascists are cracking skulls and lighting up fires, they should be arrested and prosecuted.

See how that works?

Ideology does not trump actions. When you break the law you get judged by your peers - should not matter left or right.

https://wjla.com/news/local/richmond-police-arrests-sunday-night-antifa

And yes, some articles are listing Far Right Militia members in crows but they have not (yet) been arrested for causing mayhem (yet). In the next few days and weeks we may just see it and when they are arrested they should be prosecuted.



And to underline my position; We sorely need leadership in the current environment, covering the pandemic and the social response to Lloyd's murder. I support the right to protest peacefully. But I fully include all said protesters in the problem when violence, rioting, and looting occurs. And I further question their contribution to the spread of the Covid-19 virus by choosing to gather in protest during what science has called a worldwide pandemic. Guess we will see in two weeks when/if the numbers spike.

^^^^



If you include all protesters in the problem based on the rioting and looting of a small number of people who have used the protests to shield their actions, what is your feeling about America’s police force given that a small number of its ranks use their badge to do things like abuse the public they have been entrusted to protect and serve? I don’t believe you can have it both ways here...
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Police Unions are probably the number one thing protecting bad cops. Tell me how we get around that one?

Sorry - was working off poorly remembered numbers on how many people Betts killed. The point is we KNOW people on the Left and Right currently and historically have used violence to sow chaos or oppress others.

Pete - is there anything wrong with the statement above?
No, there have always been bad actors taking advantage of situations and it is hard for the large majority of peaceful protesters to stop them, in some cases they have.

I call out White Supremacists, Anti#^&#^&#^&#^&x, Neo Nazis, and Little Commie agitators. But so there is no lack of clarity I will spell it out for you:

When you are hard left or hard right and you are peacefully assembling in legal protest, I may not like what you say but I support your right to peacefully protest - as much as I hate what you are saying. When you take the reigns to injure your fellow citizens, burn, loot, and cause mayhem LEFT OR RIGHT

Pete - is there anything wrong with the statement above?

No, the problem is tagging all with the sins of a few and then attacking them as Tweety did in front of the White House last night with tear gas and rubber bullets, a half hour before curfew. So to put it simply, the federal government launched tear gas at protestors who were peaceably assembled to petition the government for a redress of grievances. There was no curfew in place. These were not looters. It would be difficult for Tweety to violate the Constitution more directly.

Police Unions are probably the number one thing protecting bad cops. Tell me how we get around that one?

Get rid of qualified immunity.

There was actually a great article in The Bulwark a couple of days ago, here is a portion with the link below.

In determining the relationship between government and governed, one of the most important decisions a society can make is how accountable those who wield official power must be to those against whom that power is wielded. Congress made a clear choice in that regard when it passed the Enforcement Act of 1871, which we now call “Section 1983” after its location in the U.S. Code. Simply put, Section 1983 creates a standard of strict liability by providing that state actors “shall be liable to the party injured” for “the deprivation of any rights.” Thus, if a police officer walks up to your house and peeks inside one of your windows without a warrant—a clear violation of your Fourth Amendment right against unreasonable searches—he is liable to you for the violation of that right.
But many conservatives do an odd thing: In their preference for a more forgiving policy that gives police and other government officials substantial leeway in the exercise of discretion, they abandon their stated commitment to textualism and embrace an “interpretation” of Section 1983 that is utterly divorced from its text. The vehicle for this conservative brand of what we might call “living statutory interpretivism” is the Supreme Court’s qualified immunity doctrine, which judicially amends Section 1983 to provide that the standard for liability will no longer be the deprivation of “any rights”—as Congress expressly provided—but rather the deprivation of any “clearly established” rights.
As documented in considerable detail on Cato’s Unlawful Shield website, those two words—“clearly established”—do an extraordinary amount of work in keeping meritorious cases out of court and ensuring that plaintiffs whose rights have been violated by police or other state actors will receive no recovery unless they can find a pre-existing case in the jurisdiction with nearly identical facts. But that is plainly not the statute that Congress wrote, nor is it the standard of accountability that Congress chose. Moreover, as Professor Will Baude demonstrates in his masterful article, “Is Qualified Immunity Unlawful?,” there is no credible textual or historical basis for the qualified immunity doctrine; it is a blatant act of pro-government judicial policymaking—activism, if you will—and nothing more.

http://www.californialawreview.org/print/2-is-qualified-immunity-unlawful/

https://www.unlawfulshield.com/

https://thebulwark.com/to-make-police-accountable-end-qualified-immunity/

Police Unions are probably the number one thing protecting bad cops. Tell me how we get around that one?

Start the conversation without all the BS noise about how the conversation gets invalidated by riots

Trumps doing fine by himself :kewl:

In an address to the nation, the president vowed to deploy the US military to quell the civil disorder on America's streets (maybe the right wants to see this ? )

protesters tear-gassed so Trump can walk to church and holding a bible
as a prop

if the choice is military on the streets or dead cops, which would
you choose? WTF is wrong with you?

feral liberals are attacking police
and civilians. should he do nothing if the state can’t keep people safe?
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If you include all protesters in the problem based on the rioting and looting of a small number of people who have used the protests to shield their actions, what is your feeling about America’s police force given that a small number of its ranks use their badge to do things like abuse the public they have been entrusted to protect and serve? I don’t believe you can have it both ways here...
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I sure can...if you really want to make that ridiculous comparison of a voluntary assembly of citizens to protest that turns into violence with a countrywide police force whose primary service goals are to serve and protect. Don't forget, I said voluntary. They chose to be there, at the scene, where the violence took place. No assembly, no violence. When the #^&#^&#^&#^& hits the fan at your house Ian, who are you going to call??????? No tolerance for the bad eggs, anywhere. No more hiding behind a badge.

They drove the rector off and disrupted an event, supporting a constitutionally given right to assemble organized by St Johns by using tear gas, rubber bullets and flashbangs to drive them off St Johns grounds for a campaign photo event.
Wrong on many levels.
Perhaps you can justify lining them up and shooting them to keep people safe.

Perhaps you can justify lining them up and shooting them to keep people safe.



I missed this one...was it on MSNBC?

Trumps doing fine by himself :kewl:



Then why does Pete add to it?

I missed this one...was it on MSNBC?

If you can tear gas ministers and drive them off church property, violate American's first amendment rights and have Trumplican's in the Senate acclaim him, I'm sure he can line people up and shoot them without some batting an eye.
It's not a far stretch from shooting someone on Fifth Avenue or Bill Barr deciding without notice to extend the perimeter around the White House.

Trump's presidency is over.
What he is doing now has nothing to do with the constitutional powers of a president.
But something resembling the "Reich Chancellorship" may soon begin if we don't get him out of there fast.

Hunting down the dissidents comes next and the context is already set.

Antifa will be the cover because by claiming it to be a "international" terrorist organization, constitutional protections can be twisted to fit the goals of this administration.

It’s important to understand what the Insurrection Act, Posse Comitatus Act, & Constitution say.

It’s also important to remember that what’s lawful—or held out as lawful—can still be deeply awful.

Authoritarians abuse the law, until the law can’t contain them any more.

That is where we are at

Hey wdmso--see what I mean? Check out this gem of PeteF trying to scare the pants off us:

If you can tear gas ministers and drive them off church property, violate American's first amendment rights and have Trumplican's in the Senate acclaim him, I'm sure he can line people up and shoot them without some batting an eye.
It's not a far stretch from shooting someone on Fifth Avenue or Bill Barr deciding without notice to extend the perimeter around the White House.

Trump's presidency is over.
What he is doing now has nothing to do with the constitutional powers of a president.
But something resembling the "Reich Chancellorship" may soon begin if we don't get him out of there fast.

Hunting down the dissidents comes next and the context is already set.

Antifa will be the cover because by claiming it to be a "international" terrorist organization, constitutional protections can be twisted to fit the goals of this administration.

It’s important to understand what the Insurrection Act, Posse Comitatus Act, & Constitution say.

It’s also important to remember that what’s lawful—or held out as lawful—can still be deeply awful.

Authoritarians abuse the law, until the law can’t contain them any more.

That is where we are at

Hey wdmso--see what I mean? Check out this gem of PeteF trying to scare the pants off us:

“Over more than two centuries, the United States has stirred a very wide range of feelings in the rest of the world: love and hatred, fear and hope, envy and contempt, awe and anger,” columnist Fintan O’Toole wrote in the Irish Times. “But there is one emotion that has never been directed towards the US until now: pity.”

“Over more than two centuries, the United States has stirred a very wide range of feelings in the rest of the world: love and hatred, fear and hope, envy and contempt, awe and anger,” columnist Fintan O’Toole wrote in the Irish Times. “But there is one emotion that has never been directed towards the US until now: pity.”

At least that isn't scary.

if the choice is military on the streets or dead cops, which would
you choose? WTF is wrong with you?

feral liberals are attacking police
and civilians. should he do nothing if the state can’t keep people safe?
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TRUMP DEFENDER pull your head from his a s s .. police have a job and the military have a job and neither over lap ... let the police do their job and the military to theirs .fight wars .. you acting as if the United states has never seen unrest ..

You'd love to see dead protesters and applaud while it was happening and you think something is wrong with me.... its comical ..

I have no issue with shooting looters it will only take one ,,,but like most things you see looting and protest as one in the same ... just like police and the military

Trump should offer you a job you'll fit right in.

Hey wdmso--see what I mean? Check out this gem of PeteF trying to scare the pants off us:

Detbuch your the poster child of fear when it comes to what's destroying the United states .. all your youtube Traffic makes that crystal clear

Detbuch your the poster child of fear when it comes to what's destroying the United states .. all your youtube Traffic makes that crystal clear

If they scare you, maybe they should. I don't post them to frighten. I do it to inform.

As far as my asking Pete why he was trying to scare us with his posts about Trump, I did it in response to his saying "That includes the fool on the hill who wants you to be scared." So I threw his hypocrisy (accusing Trump of Trump of wanting to scare us while that's what Pete constantly does with his posts against Trump) back at him. And then showed you with his next post how scary he made Trump out to be.

He's the one who brought up the scared thing as if Trump was doing something bad, even though that's what Pete does. I wasn't saying it was wrong or bad, but asked why did Pete do the same thing if he thought it was somehow wrong to do so.

We should be scared

“An essential step in the fascist march to acceptance and power was to persuade law-and-order conservatives and members of the middle class to tolerate fascist violence as a harsh necessity in the face of Left provocation.”
Robert O. Paxton, "The Anatomy of Fascism" (2004)
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Get rid of qualified immunity.


Surely discuss it


Start the conversation without all the BS noise about how the conversation gets invalidated by riots

Peaceful assembly and protest WHEN THEY HAVE COMPLETELY LEGIT POINTS get dented pretty hard when others co-opt the movement with throwing bricks and looting businesses.

They drove the rector off and disrupted an event, supporting a constitutionally given right to assemble organized by St Johns by using tear gas, rubber bullets and flashbangs to drive them off St Johns grounds for a campaign photo event.
Wrong on many levels.
Perhaps you can justify lining them up and shooting them to keep people safe.

It was stupid, like many things.

TRUMP DEFENDER pull your head from his a s s .. police have a job and the military have a job and neither over lap ... let the police do their job and the military to theirs .fight wars .. you acting as if the United states has never seen unrest ..

You'd love to see dead protesters and applaud while it was happening and you think something is wrong with me.... its comical ..

I have no issue with shooting looters it will only take one ,,,but like most things you see looting and protest as one in the same ... just like police and the military

Trump should offer you a job you'll fit right in.

Would be good if some politicians did not create open space for people angry to vent there frustrations looting and killing. Probably could have stopped at NG MP and presence forces. Probably could have stopped the protestors from surrounding Di Blasio's People's House demanding his resignation.

NG and RA SHOULDN'T NEED to be on the streets

We should be scared

“An essential step in the fascist march to acceptance and power was to persuade law-and-order conservatives and members of the middle class to tolerate fascist violence as a harsh necessity in the face of Left provocation.”
Robert O. Paxton, "The Anatomy of Fascism" (2004)
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Yep - if you are against hard left violence you are a fascist. Even if you are against hard right violence. FFS

We should be scared

“An essential step in the fascist march to acceptance and power was to persuade law-and-order conservatives and members of the middle class to tolerate fascist violence as a harsh necessity in the face of Left provocation.”
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Yep - if you are against hard left violence you are a fascist. Even if you are against hard right violence. FFS

It won't happen over night, but the slope we are on has gotten a lot more slippery. The conditions that sparked these protests, a lack of racial justice and an increasingly militarized environment in this country exist, and Tweety has done nothing but exacerbate the situation.

We now see how Tweety and his followers who share his authoritarian views respond to civil unrest that resulted from genuine grievances. What will they do if protests erupt if this administration tries to postpone the election, suppress the vote in Democratic areas, refuses to accept its result if he loses, or are likely to occur if he wins? Even if he loses the election, Tweety will remain president until January 20, 2021.

Yep - if you are against hard left violence you are a fascist. Even if you are against hard right violence. FFS
You seem to continue to operate under an assumption that many people think Antifa violence is acceptable. Noting that they're totally overblown isn't condoning behavior, it's putting it in perspective and should be seen in context of all violence where it is relatively small.

The problem is when people like Trump fixate on Antifa for political purposes, the right-wing media beats the Antifa drum and now you have a portion of the country softened to social media hoaxes and believing busloads of Antifa are heading to their suburbs to loot the rich people. It's just sowing more division and mistrust.

What's wrong with a little violence instead of civil discourse, look at what the occupant of the WH has said about it.

“Part of the problem . . . is no one wants to hurt each other anymore.”

“I’d like to punch him in the face.”

“Maybe he should have been roughed up.”

“I don’t know if I’ll do the fighting myself or if other people will.”

“The audience hit back. That’s what we need a little bit more of.”

“If you do [hurt him], I’ll defend you in court, don’t worry about it.”

“I’ll beat the crap out of you.”

“Knock the crap out of him, would you? I promise you, I will pay your legal fees.”

And when something actually happens, Bunker Baby takes the fam, hides in the bunker, watches his shows and tweets, then emerges with an attack on protesters to create a photo op to show how tough he is.

What's wrong with a little violence instead of civil discourse, look at what the occupant of the WH has said about it.

“Part of the problem . . . is no one wants to hurt each other anymore.”

“I’d like to punch him in the face.”

“Maybe he should have been roughed up.”

“I don’t know if I’ll do the fighting myself or if other people will.”

“The audience hit back. That’s what we need a little bit more of.”

“If you do [hurt him], I’ll defend you in court, don’t worry about it.”

“I’ll beat the crap out of you.”

“Knock the crap out of him, would you? I promise you, I will pay your legal fees.”

And when something actually happens, Bunker Baby takes the fam, hides in the bunker, watches his shows and tweets, then emerges with an attack on protesters to create a photo op to show how tough he is.

We've heard all this . . . several times. It gets boring.

It's just sowing more division and mistrust.

One of the main goals of ATIFA.

One of the main goals of ATIFA.
And if that's the case why promote them to the big boys table before they're ready? He's just helping their cause.

And if that's the case why promote them to the big boys table before they're ready? He's just helping their cause.

They're already at the table. Exposing and prosecuting them weakens their effort to create "division and mistrust" and helps to remove them from the table.

We've heard all this . . . several times. It gets boring.

What’s getting boring is the consistent incompetence of Tweety and his inability to lead.
Esper’s public statements today show that Tweety is not doing much in the way of good internal politics to maintain cohension on his team, beyond demanding loyalty.
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We've heard all this . . . several times. It gets boring.

The more you hear that rhetoric, the more it seems ok and normal to those that follow this game show clown like he has a clue. Your blue run on font mind numbing posts are far more boring, in fact if I need to get to sleep, I just get on this board and zzzzzzzzzzz.

They're already at the table. Exposing and prosecuting them weakens their effort to create "division and mistrust" and helps to remove them from the table.
Now you’re just perpetuating the myth. 43 suffered from this as well.
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One of the main goals of ATIFA.

Youtube right
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What’s getting boring is the consistent incompetence of Tweety and his inability to lead.
Esper’s public statements today show that Tweety is not doing much in the way of good internal politics to maintain cohension on his team, beyond demanding loyalty.
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He's doing a great job. US should have 100 million vaccine doses by end of year, Fauci says.

The more you hear that rhetoric, the more it seems ok and normal to those that follow this game show clown like he has a clue. Your blue run on font mind numbing posts are far more boring, in fact if I need to get to sleep, I just get on this board and zzzzzzzzzzz.

Glad to be of help. Even though you don't read them.

Now you’re just perpetuating the myth. 43 suffered from this as well.
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Nope. It was perpetuated by ANTIFA.

Youtube right
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Wrong.

FBI arrested 3 Boogaloo Bois for terrorism in Vegas, with Molotov cocktails on their way to incite violence at a protest.
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He's doing a great job. US should have 100 million vaccine doses by end of year, Fauci says.

Another of your lies.
He said could and he also said there's a chance coronavirus vaccine may not provide immunity for very long.
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Another of your lies.
He said could and he also said there's a chance coronavirus vaccine may not provide immunity for very long.
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I copied and pasted an ABC headline. If you want to quibble that ABC lied by saying "should" rather than "could" makes me no diffefence. ABC quotes him as saying, among other things "by maybe November, December, which means that by that time we hopefully would have close to a 100 million doses,"

Anyway, I just used your method of just saying stuff. I like that. Will do that more often, especially when responding to the same kind of bald statements.

I copied and pasted an ABC headline. If you want to quibble that ABC lied by saying "should" rather than "could" makes me no diffefence. ABC quotes him as saying, among other things "by maybe November, December, which means that by that time we hopefully would have close to a 100 million doses,"

Anyway, I just used your method of just saying stuff. I like that. Will do that more often, especially when responding to the same kind of bald statements.

Next you’ll claim that Tweety invented it when he was in the bunker
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Next you’ll claim that Tweety invented it when he was in the bunker
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Actually, I won't say that. That was easy. Will continue your method.

And I'll use your's
Though much shorter than Bingbong and Molyneux and not full of baloney

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYMpjNRoQQg

Peaceful assembly and protest WHEN THEY HAVE COMPLETELY LEGIT POINTS get dented pretty hard when others co-opt the movement with throwing bricks and looting businesses.

So start small. Don’t let it get dented here. You know they are different, defend it.

This is a hard one to navigate, because otherwise, we make it too easy to manipulate the system into never fixing itself. Every time someone protests a legit gripe, send in some rioters so no one believes them. I’m not saying that’s what happened here, I’m just saying that if you’re willing to associate the two, you allow that to be a possibility.

The other choice here is to develop some habits where we distance the two conversations, discuss them on their own merits, and vigorously defend each thread from being poisoned by the other.

But both groups of opinions on this site are guilty of not doing this, heck I even failed to do it the other day when I found myself devolving into a rant about trump during a message that started about protests, right after saying we should be better about separating this stuff, so I know I’m not perfect.

BUT if we each admitted that the topics themselves had merit without spilling over to the others, the sharp minds here would probably get somewhere closer to consensus, and might actually move some opinions forward.

Instead we cut the meaty dialog around the merits of the protests short by saying things like everyone is an animal that can’t function in society because they just start rioting, or all cops are bahstads.

And that’s fooked up
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I sure can...if you really want to make that ridiculous comparison of a voluntary assembly of citizens to protest that turns into violence with a countrywide police force whose primary service goals are to serve and protect. Don't forget, I said voluntary. They chose to be there, at the scene, where the violence took place. No assembly, no violence. When the #^&#^&#^&#^& hits the fan at your house Ian, who are you going to call??????? No tolerance for the bad eggs, anywhere. No more hiding behind a badge.

Missed this one, this thread got busy and it got lost.

I want to answer it, but I’m not entirely sure I get all the dimensions of the point you were intending to make. In order to do justice to your original point here with my response, would you mind clarifying? Not pandering or anything, just not 100% clear on the way the thought was closed out and you asked me what I would do.
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And I'll use your's
Though much shorter than Bingbong and Molyneux and not full of baloney

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYMpjNRoQQg

This is totally inferior propaganda. Bongino and Molyneux don't just say stuff (no wonder you like this tripe video--it uses your just say stuff method) Bongino and Molyneux give detailed, fact and evidence based presentations. Your stuff is propaganda for those who have short attention spans.

This is totally inferior propaganda. Bongino and Molyneux don't just say stuff (no wonder you like this tripe video--it uses your just say stuff method) Bongino and Molyneux give detailed, fact and evidence based presentations. Your stuff is propaganda for those who have short attention spans.

A head of state using a standing army to occupy an American city, compel citizens off the street, stifle free expression and assembly, using paramilitary forces to smoke clergy out of their churches at the head of state’s whim, is pretty much the founders’ nightmare.
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A head of state using a standing army to occupy an American city, compel citizens off the street, stifle free expression and assembly, using paramilitary forces to smoke clergy out of their churches at the head of state’s whim, is pretty much the founders’ nightmare.
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That's not what happened.

That's not what happened.

It is what happened

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Lowr86dZns

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yog4YtvApCY

It is what happened


What you said is not what happened:

"A head of state using a standing army"

There was no standing army being used against the will of a state governor. Washington D.C. is not a state. The President as commander-in-chief of the District of Columbia's national guard has the legal, constitutional power to use it in that city. The original notion of the Founders, that the central government did not have the authority to impose the power of a standing federal army on the states and the free citizens therein, never applied to D.C.

to occupy an American city, compel citizens off the street,

The National Guard were not "occupying" D.C. A military occupation is generally a military controlling a foreign territory by force. The American city in this case was being occupied by protesters, many of which were not residents of D.C., not by a standing army which was lawfully protecting the jurisdiction at the behest of the city's commander in chief.

stifle free expression and assembly, using paramilitary forces to smoke clergy out of their churches at the head of state’s whim, is pretty much the founders’ nightmare.

Free expression and assembly were not "stifled." It was moved a small distance. Non-peaceful, unlawful expression may have been stifled. I haven't heard about people being smoked out of their churches. I did hear about people not being allowed to attend their churches during the pandemic shutdown.

The Founders would have definitely approved of the President ordering his federal troops to quell destructive civil disorder in D.C. The Thugs and ANTIFA in the crowd had been turning the peaceful "occupation" into a violent, dangerous, life threatening, destructive one. The Founder's nightmare would have been a President who allowed the Capitol to be desecrated by thugs and criminals.

As for clearing a path for the President, the people had the right to hear him. The right to protest does not give the right to stifle the free speech of others, nor the right to deny others the right to hear their President.

What you said is not what happened:

"A head of state using a standing army"

There was no standing army being used against the will of a state governor. Washington D.C. is not a state. The President as commander-in-chief of the District of Columbia's national guard has the legal, constitutional power to use it in that city. The original notion of the Founders, that the central government did not have the authority to impose the power of a standing federal army on the states and the free citizens therein, never applied to D.C.

to occupy an American city, compel citizens off the street,

The National Guard were not "occupying" D.C. A military occupation is generally a military controlling a foreign territory by force. The American city in this case was being occupied by protesters, many of which were not residents of D.C., not by a standing army which was lawfully protecting the jurisdiction at the behest of the city's commander in chief.

stifle free expression and assembly, using paramilitary forces to smoke clergy out of their churches at the head of state’s whim, is pretty much the founders’ nightmare.

Free expression and assembly were not "stifled." It was moved a small distance. Non-peaceful, unlawful expression may have been stifled. I haven't heard about people being smoked out of their churches. I did hear about people not being allowed to attend their churches during the pandemic shutdown.

The Founders would have definitely approved of the President ordering his federal troops to quell destructive civil disorder in D.C. The Thugs and ANTIFA in the crowd had been turning the peaceful "occupation" into a violent, dangerous, life threatening, destructive one. The Founder's nightmare would have been a President who allowed the Capitol to be desecrated by thugs and criminals.

As for clearing a path for the President, the people had the right to hear him. The right to protest does not give the right to stifle the free speech of others, nor the right to deny others the right to hear their President.


Weasel words, but Tweety doesn't care about the rule of law anyways.

Citizens have the right to enter one state and leave another, the right to be treated as a welcome visitor rather than a hostile stranger.

Citizens of the United States have a constitutional right to assemble and the right to speak.

You have not listened or looked to see what happened, willful ignorance once again. As is typical of authoritarians, you ignore the greater good and focus on the lesser evil.
They physically drove the rector from the church courtyard.
There was no violence until it was escalated by government forces.
They drove all the people out and he said no words.

It was a photo op, pure and simple

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1X90Y7gOwNg

Weasel words, but Tweety doesn't care about the rule of law anyways.

Yes he does. (that was easy)

Citizens have the right to enter one state and leave another, the right to be treated as a welcome visitor rather than a hostile stranger.

Sure, but they don't have the right to do or go wherever they want.

Citizens of the United States have a constitutional right to assemble and the right to speak.

They were not stopped from doing so. Citizens do not have the right to occupy whatever space they want.

You have not listened or looked to see what happened, willful ignorance once again. As is typical of authoritarians, you ignore the greater good and focus on the lesser evil.

I assume that you and I have a different view of what the greater good is. Being an authoritarian, you believe your view is the rule. I have stated many times in many ways what I think what the greater good is in government. It would be a useless expenditure of energy to tell you again. You have not listened. You ignore. And I don't recall you ever saying precisely what that greater good is.

They physically drove the rector from the church courtyard.
There was no violence until it was escalated by government forces.
They drove all the people out and he said no words.

As wdmso might say, that was simplistic.

It was a photo op, pure and simple


Among other things, it was a photo op. It's what politicians do. But there was a definite message or two in the op. A message partially in response to the lie that he was "hiding like a coward in the bunker." The President doesn't make those decisions. The secret services does. And I'm guessing that, for security reasons, the secret service was not approving of the op.

And "the world" was divided about the message. Unlike the fake anti-Trump media, there was a large world that approved of his message. And you probably scoff at that. I'm guessing, it makes you feel good about yourself to do that.

Among other things, it was a photo op. It's what politicians do. But there was a definite message or two in the op. A message partially in response to the lie that he was "hiding like a coward in the bunker." The President doesn't make those decisions. The secret services does. And I'm guessing that, for security reasons, the secret service was not approving of the op.

And "the world" was divided about the message. Unlike the fake anti-Trump media, there was a large world that approved of his message. And you probably scoff at that. I'm guessing, it makes you feel good about yourself to do that.

In the German part of the "world" Tweety is viewed as the greatest threat to world peace with a percentage greater than Kim Jong Un, Ali Kahmenei, Vladimir Putin and Xi Jingpin combined, so apparently they disagree with you and the other 30% of Americans that support Tweety.

His self image is so bad and he is such a wimp, that in order to assuage his ego he had to have troops drive Americans out of Lafayette Square.
What a poor excuse for a leader.

First, the president started the fire. He kept adding fuel.

Now, he wants credit for attempting to put it out.

Meanwhile the house is burning.

And don't forget that in this day of the iphone, the amount of police brutality at the anti-police brutality protests is not helping the image. That is not all the officers, but as a percentage it is higher than the number of criminals among the protesters.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDVsFY1exy8

In the German part of the "world" Tweety is viewed as the greatest threat to world peace with a percentage greater than Kim Jong Un, Ali Kahmenei, Vladimir Putin and Xi Jingpin combined, so apparently they disagree with you and the other 30% of Americans that support Tweety.

Far be it from me to tell the Germans how to think. "The World" thinks Germans are authoritarian. But I also have read that there is a lot of dissent in Germany about their Progressive globalist authoritarians, especially their immigration policies. It's not a solid block of opinion in Germany. The Bavarians and others have pushed back against Merkel's policies. There seems to be a lot of sentiment in various parts of Germany for maintaining their cultural heritage which they feel is being eradicated by EU centric globalism.


His self image is so bad and he is such a wimp, that in order to assuage his ego he had to have troops drive Americans out of Lafayette Square.

He appears to have a very elevated self image.

What a poor excuse for a leader.

Good Lord!! He led the Repubs from a certain, crushing defeat, and permanent irrelevance to becoming the dominat power in the federal government as well as many states. You say a lot of stupid, self-serving, bitter, whiny stuff.

First, the president started the fire. He kept adding fuel.

Disagree.

Now, he wants credit for attempting to put it out.

Hope he and the rest of Congress and the states get together and put it out.

Meanwhile the house is burning.

It burns a lot. Rises from the ashes. USA, USA, USA!!

And don't forget that in this day of the iphone, the amount of police brutality at the anti-police brutality protests is not helping the image. That is not all the officers, but as a percentage it is higher than the number of criminals among the protesters.



OK, I won't forget . . . not.

A head of state using a standing army to occupy an American city, compel citizens off the street, stifle free expression and assembly, using paramilitary forces to smoke clergy out of their churches at the head of state’s whim, is pretty much the founders’ nightmare.
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This is juuuuuust a tad sensationalized... just a liiiiiiiiiiiittle bit....
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I guess Antifa is having recruiting issues, it’s sad when you have to hire 75 year olds to do your dirty work. It’s also sad and scary we have a president so loopy he signs on to every wacky conspiracy theory that resonates with him.

the amount of police brutality at the anti-police brutality protests is not helping the image. That is not all the officers, but as a percentage it is higher than the number of criminals among the protesters.



oh...please try to quantify this gem

oh...please try to quantify this gem

id also like to see some data to support that statement.
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I'll let you all prove that wrong, you can do it at the same time you find the evidence for all the antifa Tweety and Barr found.

Is Tweety planning to have protesters teargassed again?


Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
Any protesters, anarchists, agitators, looters or lowlifes who are going to Oklahoma please understand, you will not be treated like you have been in New York, Seattle, or Minneapolis. It will be a much different scene!
9:34 AM · Jun 19, 2020·Twitter for iPhone

Is Tweety planning to have protesters teargassed again?


Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
Any protesters, anarchists, agitators, looters or lowlifes who are going to Oklahoma please understand, you will not be treated like you have been in New York, Seattle, or Minneapolis. It will be a much different scene!
9:34 AM · Jun 19, 2020·Twitter for iPhone
He's trying to incite violence, taunt Antifa to actually show up.

It's insane.

A petty, vile man who dis-honors the office.

Contempt for law and order seems to be en vogue amongst our brave #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&s. Raise your hand if you know what happens next.
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Hey, I'm going to the canal tonight. Why don't you meet up?

Hey, I'm going to the canal tonight. Why don't you meet up?

At the canal?
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At the canal?
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If I'm going to the canal why would I want to meet up anywhere else
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If I'm going to the canal why would I want to meet up anywhere else
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I would be happy to meet Paul. I won’t be fishing, but would certainly enjoy putting a face to the name. Tell me where and what time. We are renting a beach house close by so I am flexible.
I guess my confusion was due to you saying that you don’t associate with me. I am happy you reconsidered.
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I'll PM you my cell phone and you can decide since I'll be fishing all night
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I can just see it :eek:

Recent leaked report from the DHS on protest threats mentions Antifa how many times?

PM wont go through
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I am censoring the word Lib tard - it is a dumb phrase that has worn out its initial unique sliver of comedy.

I am censoring the word Lib tard - it is a dumb phrase that has worn out its initial unique sliver of comedy.
And it's offensive.

Wow, a guy who is known for stealing spots won’t tell me where.

I am censoring the word Lib tard - it is a dumb phrase that has worn out its initial unique sliver of comedy.

Hell yeah, homie!
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Intelligence analysts warned law enforcement this week that far-right extremist “boogaloo” members live in—and may be setting sights on—D.C. And a separate DHS memo sent to LE today is focused entirely on threat of boogaloo violence.
The assessment is striking given public emphasis Trump and Barr have placed on alleged violence carried out by antifa, while refusing to specifically identify far-right groups like boogaloo that have been charged in recent weeks for acts ranging from felony murder to terrorism.
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And it's offensive.

The truth always hurts

And it's offensive.

Do you want a hug?
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Wow, a guy who is known for stealing spots won’t tell me where.

I thought we were going to fish and talk about my new boat and you come with your scummy personal insults and lies. Wonder what Kevin's going to do about that
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Do you want a hug?
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a hug is momentary...binkies are forever

I thought we were going to fish and talk about my new boat and you come with your scummy personal insults and lies. Wonder what Kevin's going to do about that
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Congrats on the boat!

Congrats on the boat!
Thanks

I only have half a boat. I haven't seen it. I said I don't want to be responsible for it. And I said I will not do any work on it.
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I am sure there is quite the tale to be told.

Gettysburg 'flag-burning hoax' sees armed far-right groups assemble

Posts on social media by supposed antifa leaders urged members to meet at the Pennsylvania site on 4 July.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-53299847

Showing up Armed? Guess they thought Trump would bail them out or make them deputies in his war against the left
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Gettysburg 'flag-burning hoax' sees armed far-right groups assemble

Posts on social media by supposed antifa leaders urged members to meet at the Pennsylvania site on 4 July.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-53299847

Showing up Armed? Guess they thought Trump would bail them out or make them deputies in his war against the left
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Really kinda strange that the Militant Left keeps trying to lure the Militant Right into a gunfight.

Shouldn't THAT be the most terrifying? Militant groups of one side trying to lure the other into battles on the streets of out country?

And why ohh why, do the Dem mayors pull back their Police Forces from protecting some of these areas and let the Militant Left run wild? Are they TRYING to incite the violent Right to come in?

This is REALLY starting to sound like late 20s/early 30s Weimar. Remember, that was not organic, that was marionettes.

Where did the determination that anyone on the left is trying to lure anyone into anything come from?

There is no evidence to suggest that those responsible for the online posts are in any way linked to antifa - a loosely-affiliated network of mainly far-left activists.

Just look at a few of these links

https://www.google.com/search?q=bethel+ohio&rlz=1C1GCEU_enUS837US837&sxsrf=ALeKk02UVwwbgh8TIsKly-2UU1UedzzRZA:1594045658849&source=lnms&tbm=nws&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiWioHq6rjqAhVolXIEHZ9dAGUQ_AUoAXoECB8QA w&biw=1098&bih=515

Where did the determination that anyone on the left is trying to lure anyone into anything come from?

Could easily have been a Russian/Nork/Iran troll.

I saw the videos of some of these people, pretty disgusting. About as Low Life as CHOP/CHAZ, well, without the death and destruction.

I am impressed by both of your continued there is no Antifa and we have always been at war with Right Wing terrorism.

there are groups that are not calling themselves antifa, but they ARE calling out anyone on the right, therefore they must be on the left.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-global-race-usa-stone-mountain/predominantly-black-armed-protesters-march-through-confederate-memorial-park-in-georgia-idUSKBN24605G

“I don’t see no white militia,” he declared. “We’re here. Where ... you at? We’re in your house. Let’s go.”

I saw a video of them in the road armed to their teeth confronting a white guy accusing him of stuff and asking where their reparations are. The guy was holding 2 AR-15's. They were dressed all tactical and the guy in the car asked him what are you, answer black militia. Trying to provoke a fight on a public road in broad daylight.

Is this really where we are at?

but it's all Trump's fault :rolleyes:

there are groups that are not calling themselves antifa, but they ARE calling out anyone on the right, therefore they must be on the left.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-global-race-usa-stone-mountain/predominantly-black-armed-protesters-march-through-confederate-memorial-park-in-georgia-idUSKBN24605G

“I don’t see no white militia,” he declared. “We’re here. Where ... you at? We’re in your house. Let’s go.”

I saw a video of them in the road armed to their teeth confronting a white guy accusing him of stuff and asking where their reparations are. The guy was holding 2 AR-15's. They were dressed all tactical and the guy in the car asked him what are you, answer black militia. Trying to provoke a fight on a public road in broad daylight.

Is this really where we are at?

but it's all Trump's fault :rolleyes:


I watched that a couple times. If they are within the law of where they are, I don't care if they are armed. There were a lot of 22s in the mix ; ), Big BFGs with lights and Bipods yet tiny BX25 mags hanging out of them :hihi:

They did look confrontational, but they did not ACT confrontational. Yes, the reparations comment was stupid.

Don't worry though, Spence is sure they don't exist.

You picked a great example of trying to bring back the Confederacy, perhaps you think the traitors actually had a noble purpose or that it still should be the rock upon which the old Union would split.

Stone Mountain Park officially opened on April 14, 1965 – 100 years to the day after Lincoln's assassination. Four flags of the Confederacy are flown at the site. The Stone Mountain Memorial Lawn "contains...thirteen terraces — one for each Confederate state.... Each terrace flies the flag that the state flew as member of the Confederacy."

As Alexander Hamilton Stephens, VP of the Confederacy said

But not to be tedious in enumerating the numerous changes for the better, allow me to allude to one other though last, not least. The new constitution has put at rest, forever, all the agitating questions relating to our peculiar institution African slavery as it exists amongst us the proper status of the negro in our form of civilization. This was the immediate cause of the late rupture and present revolution. Jefferson in his forecast, had anticipated this, as the "rock upon which the old Union would split." He was right. What was conjecture with him, is now a realized fact. But whether he fully comprehended the great truth upon which that rock stood and stands, may be doubted. The prevailing ideas entertained by him and most of the leading statesmen at the time of the formation of the old constitution, were that the enslavement of the African was in violation of the laws of nature; that it was wrong in principle, socially, morally, and politically. It was an evil they knew not well how to deal with, but the general opinion of the men of that day was that, somehow or other in the order of Providence, the institution would be evanescent and pass away. This idea, though not incorporated in the constitution, was the prevailing idea at that time. The constitution, it is true, secured every essential guarantee to the institution while it should last, and hence no argument can be justly urged against the constitutional guarantees thus secured, because of the common sentiment of the day. Those ideas, however, were fundamentally wrong. They rested upon the assumption of the equality of races. This was an error. It was a sandy foundation, and the government built upon it fell when the "storm came and the wind blew."

"Our new government is founded upon exactly the opposite idea; its foundations are laid, its corner-stone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery—subordination to the superior race—is his natural and normal condition."

And if you think the desire of the Tweety campaign is not to be divisive and is a leader in critical thinking.

The campaign ads over the weekend vowed to protect a new statue: "Christ the Redeemer" .................................................. ..............in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil

You picked a great example of trying to bring back the Confederacy, perhaps you think the traitors actually had a noble purpose or that it still should be the rock upon which the old Union would split.



"Our new government is founded upon exactly the opposite idea; its foundations are laid, its corner-stone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery—subordination to the superior race—is his natural and normal condition."

And if you think the desire of the Tweety campaign is not to be divisive and is a leader in critical thinking.

The campaign ads over the weekend vowed to protect a new statue: "Christ the Redeemer" .................................................. ..............in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil

After Trump successfully divides the nation and the new Confederacy rises, no doubt supported and defended by all of Trump's fully Second amendment armed white nationalist army, will Trump become its President? Will he be allowed to play golf in non-Confederate states? What will become of Trump Tower? Will he still be Putin's puppet?

I am impressed by both of your continued there is no Antifa and we have always been at war with Right Wing terrorism.
Nobody here has said this...

You picked a great example of trying to bring back the Confederacy, perhaps you think the traitors actually had a noble purpose or that it still should be the rock upon which the old Union would split.

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I did not pick it, the Black Militia picked it. They chose that place to start trouble and incite people.

It has zero bearing on me, I am not a racist or a redneck or a Confederate lover. The history of the mountain has nothing to do with me. If there are people who have a problem, there are ways of doing something about it legally other than causing such a disruption. If this stuff goes on and on unchecked, it could find it's way to Vermont and to Middleboro for all we know. Keep on bashing Trump and stick your head in the sand about reality.

After Trump successfully divides the nation and the new Confederacy rises, no doubt supported and defended by all of Trump's fully Second amendment armed white nationalist army, will Trump become its President? Will he be allowed to play golf in non-Confederate states? What will become of Trump Tower? Will he still be Putin's puppet?

Just keep believing while his base gets smaller and smaller.

Remember, Tweety said we were going to go to Mars.

Now, we can’t go to Europe, Canada and Mexico is closing their border too.

Sick of winning yet?

I did not pick it, the Black Militia picked it. They chose that place to start trouble and incite people.

It has zero bearing on me, I am not a racist or a redneck or a Confederate lover. The history of the mountain has nothing to do with me. If there are people who have a problem, there are ways of doing something about it legally other than causing such a disruption. If this stuff goes on and on unchecked, it could find it's way to Vermont and to Middleboro for all we know. Keep on bashing Trump and stick your head in the sand about reality.

What did they do that was illegal? Or is it that armed blacks making things uncomfortable should be illegal, but not the armed whites in Michigan who occupied the State House?

Just what constitutional change do you propose to make, that will make peaceful protest illegal?

You claim not to be a racist, but you support one.

Tweety is threatening to veto the Defense Authorization Act if Congress follows through on plans to rename military installations named after Confederate generals.

It is straight-up white supremacy. The Confederacy was not the United States of America. It was a rebellion against it.

That’s not patriotism. It’s the opposite.

Tweety's running on a neo-Confederate platform, and the virus, you're just gonna have to live with it.

133,000 dead today, the virus is out of control and the end is not in sight.

What did they do that was illegal? Or is it that armed blacks making things uncomfortable should be illegal, but not the armed whites in Michigan who occupied the State House?

They walked right up to the line without crossing over it. You can say it is distasteful, like many did when it was armed white men and women. HOWEVER they have ZERO legal right to create a checkpoint and stop traffic, with firearms, which IS what they did.


Just what constitutional change do you propose to make, that will make peaceful protest illegal?

Violent protest should be illegal.

You claim not to be a racist, but you support one.

This is low, even for you.

Tweety is threatening to veto the Defense Authorization Act if Congress follows through on plans to rename military installations named after Confederate generals.

Because THE LEFT WILL NOT STOP MARCHING THROUGH INSTITUTIONS, devouring this country, eating our young. Wer can't have a discussion on gun control because YOU wont stop. We can't have a discussion on monuments to move or redo because you won't stop.

The only reason NOT to change those names is because the left wont stop. They took down the statue of Frederick Douglas !!

It is straight-up white supremacy. The Confederacy was not the United States of America. It was a rebellion against it.

Everything is straight up white supremacy to you.

That’s not patriotism. It’s the opposite.

Slip - don't listen to Pete, you are just one more windmill to tilt at.


Tweety's running on a neo-Confederate platform, and the virus, you're just gonna have to live with it.

133,000 dead today, the virus is out of control and the end is not in sight.


Absolutely stupid.

Because THE LEFT WILL NOT STOP MARCHING THROUGH INSTITUTIONS, devouring this country, eating our young.
Like what???

The only reason NOT to change those names is because the left wont stop. They took down the statue of Frederick Douglas !!
How do you know this? First thing I thought of were white nationalists, makes a hell of a lot more sense.

First thing I thought of were white nationalists.

There’s a #^&#^&#^&#^&ing surprise
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There’s a #^&#^&#^&#^&ing surprise
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Didn’t you? This wasn’t some protest run amok, it was a targeted hit done in secrecy.
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What did they do that was illegal?

[I knew you would say that. Did I say they did? I said there are legal ways to get what they are protesting. They can do it without trying to incite violence. When armed protesters showed up at the statehouse to voice their opposition to unconstitutional gun laws, I have never seen any intimidate anyone, it can be done reasonably. How about showing us you have a tiny bit of common sense while you try your hardest to educate us with your big brain.]

Or is it that armed blacks making things uncomfortable should be illegal, but not the armed whites in Michigan who occupied the State House?

Just what constitutional change do you propose to make, that will make peaceful protest illegal?

[ I don't. Your interrogation techniques fail as well as your reading comprehension. My point had nothing to do with that. I am talking about legally getting the courts to rule in their favor to meet whatever demands they are looking for like removing the offensive monument etc. Where you come up with that question in your mind shows your obsession with all things Trump and orange man is bad, one track mind you are.]

You claim not to be a racist, but you support one.

[Liberal logic, so if you are not for Trump you are for Biden a known racist so you support a racist.]

Tweety is threatening to veto the Defense Authorization Act if Congress follows through on plans to rename military installations named after Confederate generals.

It is straight-up white supremacy. The Confederacy was not the United States of America. It was a rebellion against it.

That’s not patriotism. It’s the opposite.

Tweety's running on a neo-Confederate platform, and the virus, you're just gonna have to live with it.

133,000 dead today, the virus is out of control and the end is not in sight.

another one to the ignore list

Didn’t you? This wasn’t some protest run amok, it was a targeted hit done in secrecy.
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Probably the same ones who beat up Jussie.
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Probably the same ones who beat up Jussie.
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Or the ones that got Guilfoyle sick with the Corona.

Doesn’t she know there’s only 14 weeks left in the campaign.

She’s a slacker and Donny Jr doesn’t deserve such a gold digger!
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Probably the same ones who beat up Jussie.
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That guy was meant for Chicago. Defund the police and appoint this hero of the left as mayor.

Now in an effort to prove his alignment with White Supremacy, Tweety’s new ad proclaims the historical greatness of manifest destiny.

Manifest Destiny, a phrase coined in 1845, is the idea that the United States is destined—by God, its advocates believed—to expand its dominion and spread democracy and capitalism across the entire North American continent.
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Like what???


How do you know this? First thing I thought of were white nationalists, makes a hell of a lot more sense.




Of COURSE . Why didn't I think of that??



Now in an effort to prove his alignment with White Supremacy, Tweety’s new ad proclaims the historical greatness of manifest destiny.

Manifest Destiny, a phrase coined in 1845, is the idea that the United States is destined—by God, its advocates believed—to expand its dominion and spread democracy and capitalism across the entire North American continent.
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When you are done with Rules for Radcals or NY Times articles on why we need to cancel Washington and Jefferson, I challenge you to go back through history,take the US out, and wonder where things would be without us.

No one here would likely be in a better position than they are today. Half of us, if ever even born, would still be in Europe, consumed by the violent warring of those countries.

It is childish to put today's lens on 100 or 200 years ago.

Don’t worry after this clown, we will likely see the end of American exceptionalism in our lifetimes.
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Whoa is me��

When you are done with Rules for Radcals or NY Times articles on why we need to cancel Washington and Jefferson, I challenge you to go back through history, take the US out, and wonder where things would be without us.

No one here would likely be in a better position than they are today. Half of us, if ever even born, would still be in Europe, consumed by the violent warring of those countries.

It is childish to put today's lens on 100 or 200 years ago.

That's an excellent point and way of looking at the supposed horror we used to be.

But the Dems and anti-Trumpists are concerned more about getting rid of Trump than any rational examination of American history. And the growing leftist, socialist, Marxist, element of the Democrat Party is about replacing historically political America with one embracing a totally opposite ideology. And the big lie is one of its most powerful means to power.

Trump's 4th of July speech was a unifying praise of our past including the importance of all our truly American heroes, including many black ones, and no mention of or praise for Confederate heroes. Yet he was criticized for delivering a racist, divisive speech that somehow gave a nod to white supremacy and the Confederacy.

Just another in the long train of misrepresenting or lying about what Trump says. It's too bad that he has to keep making his artless tweets and comments, giving the left (and Pete) their constant opportunities to negatively frame his words.

And it seems to be working. The problem, as I see it, is making the election about Trump instead of the real issue, the ideological divide.

That speech certainly brought the suburban white college educated women into the fold.

“Both of my daughters are teachers. They are often overworked, always underpaid, and spend their own money for supplies. Despite all this, Trump claims they are teaching their students to hate America. You will not find two more dedicated women. I hate him.”
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That speech certainly brought the suburban white college educated women into the fold.

“Both of my daughters are teachers. They are often overworked, always underpaid, and spend their own money for supplies. Despite all this, Trump claims they are teaching their students to hate America. You will not find two more dedicated women. I hate him.”
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Did he specifically name her daughters? Or was he referring to what is widely known about the Marxist trend in the non-stem educational departments.

Did he specifically name her daughters? Or was he referring to what is widely known about the Marxist trend in the non-stem educational departments.
At his campaign event he said words and words matter.
A broad brush paints all it hits, kinda deplorable isn’t it.
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Don’t worry after this clown, we will likely see the end of American exceptionalism in our lifetimes.
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On that we agree, because there is NOTHING on the horizon that saves us from going through considerable pain, or a divorce.

At his campaign event he said words and words matter.
A broad brush paints all it hits, kinda deplorable isn’t it.
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you dodged his question.

obviously there’s a massive left wing bias in academia. that’s not debatable.

i used to teach. i have many friends who teach. i have two brothers who teach. you will
never find a group of people
anywhere, who are so certain that no one works harder then they do, no one makes less money than they do, no one is as under appreciated as they are, blah blah blah. they are quite the group. and they are indoctrinating, without question.
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Did he specifically name her daughters? Or was he referring to what is widely known about the Marxist trend in the non-stem educational departments.

the stem courses are not immune. you’d be surprised at the ability of academia to put a left wing slant even on math.
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I hope you’re home schooling your kids to keep them safe from indoctrination
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you dodged his question.

obviously there’s a massive left wing bias in academia. that’s not debatable.

i used to teach. i have many friends who teach. i have two brothers who teach. you will
never find a group of people
anywhere, who are so certain that no one works harder then they do, no one makes less money than they do, no one is as under appreciated as they are, blah blah blah. they are quite the group. and they are indoctrinating, without question.
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Atlantic magazine had an article outlining the disparity at the college level. The bias and resulting influences have yielded predictable results. If you have a different mindset, they have no problem ostracizing you.

At his campaign event he said words and words matter.
A broad brush paints all it hits, kinda deplorable isn’t it.


You're smart enough to know that your generalization about a generalization is twice removed from reality. In other words, to put it politely, your comment is not true. Or, to be perfectly blunt, you're lying.

Broad brush statements are by their intrinsic nature, NOT MEANT TO INCLUDE every instance or every person, or every detail. If every person is meant, then the statement would have to specifically say EVERYBODY, or ALL, not merely refer to a broad segment, and thus it would not be a "broad brush" but particular and definitive.

But I understand your need to claim that Trump means all teachers are anti-American indoctrinators. It's what you must do, regardless of truth or accuracy, to get rid of Trump. The old ends justifying the means.

You use a similar technique of misstating Trump calling MS13 gang members animals as claiming that he said all illegal immigrants were animals. In this instance you go from the particular (MS13) equaling or defining the Broad (All illegal immigrants), thus inverting the broad brush meaning every detail type lie into the the specific detail defines the entire, broad category kind of lie.

It's all part of your broad repertoire of painting Trump as evil incarnate. And, yes, that is deplorable.

Oh, so if I say “our children are taught in school to hate their own country and to believe that the men and women who built it weren't heroes but villains” it’s referring to only some teachers?
Baloney it’s another sick rationalization of Tweety’s divisive speech.
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Oh, so if I say “our children are taught in school to hate their own country and to believe that the men and women who built it weren't heroes but villains” it’s referring to only some teachers?
Baloney it’s another sick rationalization of Tweety’s divisive speech.
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Nuclear culture war Pete. Trump will destroy America if he thinks it will get him a few votes.
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Drama time

Oh, so if I say “our children are taught in school to hate their own country and to believe that the men and women who built it weren't heroes but villains” it’s referring to only some teachers?
Baloney it’s another sick rationalization of Tweety’s divisive speech.
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Actually, yes. And not even to teachers. But to Progressive curricula being taught in most public schools and colleges. Obviously, he doesn't mean ALL schools. There are colleges and universities, such as Hillsdale, which are not Progressive. And there are public schools in rural areas and "conservative" states that teach traditional American history.

“our children are taught in school to hate their own country and to believe that the men and women who built it weren't heroes but villains” it’s referring to only some teachers?
Baloney it’s another sick rationalization of Tweety’s divisive speech.
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this is absolutely true....and we're seeing the fruits of their labor...because you aren't smart to understand what is going on doesn't make it baloney

The masked white man recorded smashing the windows of a Minneapolis AutoZone during an early George Floyd protest is a suspected white supremacist who was trying to incite racial tension, cops reportedly believe.

A Minneapolis Police arson detective says the 32-year-old man’s actions, which were captured on video, help set off a chain reaction that led to the store burning and days of looting and rioting, according to a search warrant affidavit obtained by the Minneapolis Star Tribune.

“This was the first fire that set off a string of fires and looting throughout the precinct and the rest of the city,” the investigator, Erika Christensen, reportedly wrote in the affidavit filed in court this week

Before “Umbrella Man” started shattering the store’s glass, “the protests had been relatively peaceful,” Christensen said.

“The actions of this person created an atmosphere of hostility and tension,” she said. “This individual’s sole aim was to incite violence.”

One bad hombre’, atypical as it is.

this is great...the idiots who have been telling us that these are peaceful protests and that there hasn't been destruction, looting and injury now want to blame all of the destruction. looting and injury that didn't happen on a dude with an umbrella who is a white supremacist who broke a window somewhere....

hard to keep up with the lunatics....

this is great...the idiots who have been telling us that these are peaceful protests and that there hasn't been destruction, looting and injury now want to blame all of the destruction. looting and injury that didn't happen on a dude with an umbrella who is a white supremacist who broke a window somewhere....

hard to keep up with the lunatics....

Still no antifa ringleader arrest.

Portland being portrayed as an attack on American (bill barr) yet covid 19 is running rampant across the country affecting many more Americans lives than 1 court house in Portland...
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Still no antifa ringleader arrest.


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Obviously there is no such thing as Antifa 🤡
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